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yeah, the peak hellfire is fine to run.
Most people just prefer the Monster Stock.
but as far as legality, any 27T, 24 degree fixed endbell motor is fine.
I'm not sure what the turnout for 12th scale will be wednesday. but Nexus and I are definitely in for 1/10th scale TC
mab_man20
11-17-2003, 08:57 AM
Damn, you guys are gonna make me work like crazy to get my TC up and running again before wednesday.
Euge, wanna run over there straight from work?
Time to start asking: Who is going to run with me at AJ's this Sunday (mostly wondering if Howard can make it this Sunday with his 1/12th car)?
I've got a lot more gear now, so I think I'll be ready... as long as I don't 'chunk' a rear tire... I can't find grey rears anywhere.
T-Racer
11-17-2003, 10:09 AM
Walt
I will be there with my Pouth Touring Car. Frank will be there also.
Oh by the way Frank took first place Sunday at Aj's in 1/12 class.
Howard you better be ther no excuses. We need all the Nitro Guys from CRCR at Aj's to show we can drive Electric TOO.
T-Racer
Rookie Solara
11-17-2003, 10:25 AM
Well, as much as I want to run my car for the first time, there is always things that will stop me doing that...
There are NATION WIDE back order on the rear GRAY and front PURPLE foam..............WHO THE HELL BOUGHT THEM ALL AND LOCK THEM IN THE BASEMENT?
Beside, I just burned my ESC, as well as my receiver.......oh, not to mention, still have no idea what motor to get....
Last..........wife is not allowing me to touch my RC car at all, so if I can get out SUNDAY, I will be watching and chatting.
Life sucks in winter................
Howard, you can run the Arcornite motor if you've got that one already. Looks like the Chameleon is what they are 'really' running, but both are 19T, and although I was a little slow with the Arcornite, I did manage a win, so it must not have been that bad.
I've got a set of purple fronts you could use, but I'm in the same boat on the rears. You might have to do like me and pick something close to a grey rear and see if you can get that... I found a set of green rear (same durometer as grey, but 'standard' foam instead of 'exotic' foam, whatever that means). If you can't find green either, maybe white, which is 'exotic' like grey and just a little bit softer.
I bet everyone is out of 1/12th scale foams because the only big 1/12th scale race is 11 days away... Cleveland Indoor Championships.... I hope I can go next year... better start asking permission now...
Oh, did you try the Calandra web site.. I think they might have 1/12 tires in stock: http://www.teamcrc.com/teamcrc.cgi
Unless their web site does not show if items are out of stock.
UPDATE: Tower is now showing that they have front purple and rear gray in stock, so that should mean that Al's and everyone else should be able to order them now and easily get them by this weekend.
And if you need to buy another Hitec radio system from me, just let me know... still got a few for sale, but no extra ESC's.
Rookie Solara
11-17-2003, 11:15 AM
Walt: Thanks for the info...........but one thing for sure, when you see TOWER has those on stock, that doesn't mean DEALERS like Al's or Albert can get them, Tower leave those foam instock for ONLINE purchase only............when Al's call them, they might still be out.
Anyhow.....I didn't get any MOTOR yet.....so, do you think the C2 is a better suite at AJ then the Arc...?
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Walt: Thanks for the info...........but one thing for sure, when you see TOWER has those on stock, that doesn't mean DEALERS like Al's or Albert can get them, Tower leave those foam instock for ONLINE purchase only............when Al's call them, they might still be out.
Anyhow.....I didn't get any MOTOR yet.....so, do you think the C2 is a better suite at AJ then the Arc...?
My experience has been that when Tower shows 'limited quantities' then dealers can't get them... when they just show 'in stock' then anyone can get them, but I could be wrong.
As for the motor, I actually think the two motors are the same except that the Arcornite has adjustable timing, which might not be technically legal at AJ's, but as long as you time it the same as the C2 (which has fixed timing), then it should be fine. No one is going to complain unless you are blowing everyone else away. Until you start running very fast or winning races, no one is even going to look at what motor you've got in your car. I just wanted to make sure that I am perfectly legal because I go to these races hoping and trying to win for my own satisfaction, and if I win but have an illegal motor, I don't get any satisfaction from that.
Rookie Solara
11-17-2003, 11:26 AM
Walt....do you need a extra set of FOAMS....? I just ordered mine from Albert but I am like $20 short..........if you need one, I can match the min. $$$ to order and you can pick them up Friday at lunch time at my house...
let me know (or if you want motor or anything else that tower sells)
let me know ASAP, try to order before 12
I wanted to make my own 'rollout' chart yesteday, but having never seen one from anyone else, I wasn't sure what 'units' everyone else used (if there even is any standard practice out there). I decided to just make mine in terms of 'motor (pinion) revolutions per 10" of car travel', but there are infinite other ways to do it as well. So, is there a standard I should use so that I can talk 'rollout' with people more easily?
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Walt....do you need a extra set of FOAMS....? I just ordered mine from Albert but I am like $20 short..........if you need one, I can match the min. $$$ to order and you can pick them up Friday at lunch time at my house...
let me know (or if you want motor or anything else that tower sells)
let me know ASAP, try to order before 12
I responded via e-mail... let me know if you get it.
Rookie Solara
11-17-2003, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Walt
I responded via e-mail... let me know if you get it.
I've got it, but I send 2 more back to you...please reply.
And I need ot get myself a set of pinion........what would you recommand...? 28-32 or else?
warpainter
11-17-2003, 11:57 AM
howard i hope you start comming out to race 1/12 scale its a fun class and if enough good guys start showing up maybe ill bring my car out of retirment or maybee just break in a new car. there are also othe manufactures making purples & greys like jayco and tm rc products. side note just ran the new reedy motor in my tc it was pretty good but i still have some better c2's and congrats to frank on his win even if nobody else was racing just kidding.frank also ran a reedy motor but i think we could still make his better. well back to painting now
Did Espo run 1/12th yesterday? I'm surprised there isn't a bigger turnout for 1/12th in preparation for the Ohio race... but then again, I guess they run touring cars at that race now too, don't they.. used to be just 1/12th back when I went.
Rookie Solara
11-17-2003, 12:32 PM
Tim...........thanks for the input, and about the REEDY motor... what is that motor now..? I am now in a complete confusion.....some said C2 is the one that is fair, and now, the Reedy? Can you be more specific about that motor..? Is that the Qual Magnet one...?
I just ordered the foam, so it is not biggie............and I will do anything beside pissing off my wife to get to AJ this sunday, the chance is good, but I have to use one of the 10 years ESC to run my car...........
mab_man20
11-17-2003, 02:10 PM
It looks like im clearing off the work bench of micro stuff and getting the TC ready for wednesday!
mabman
yeah, I was planning on leaving right after work. If you want to carpool up there, we can do it and just come back to work afterwards to pick up the other car. Nexus, if you want to drive to mpc, then the three of us can ride in one car.
Originally posted by Walt
Did Espo run 1/12th yesterday? I'm surprised there isn't a bigger turnout for 1/12th in preparation for the Ohio race... but then again, I guess they run touring cars at that race now too, don't they.. used to be just 1/12th back when I went.
There were a bunch of 12th scale guys at RSJ and Trackside the last few weeks. I know all those guys were getting ready for Ohio. Saw Aaron Alexander and Bobbo at RSJ saturday. They were running foam TC. I think they went to AJ's on sunday too.
mab_man20
11-17-2003, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Euge
mabman
yeah, I was planning on leaving right after work. If you want to carpool up there, we can do it and just come back to work afterwards to pick up the other car. Nexus, if you want to drive to mpc, then the three of us can ride in one car.
I think thats a good idea. Nexus you in?
Nexus
11-17-2003, 03:46 PM
rookie.
i have a 19T Arcornite that i could sell you if you wanted it...
1 Trinity 19T Arcornite - Excellent condition, only 6-9 runs total, 1 race (the HTOP electric vs. nitro challenge) and the rest I was just running practice.
g12314.
i ran the Peak Hellfire before and it's a good motor....tons of torque. you just might have to gear a little higher for TC.
walt.
just like any other class the 12th scale racers are spread out between RSJ, AJ's, and Trackside.
euge and i raced on sat. and two of AJs TC racers were up at RSJ. they did pretty well one qualifying 6th or 7th in the A Main and the other qualified pretty high in the B Main. i'll probably make it out to AJs sometime but i don't want to run 19T foam.
overall the competition is pretty tight in TC...i qualified 2nd in the A Main...euge qualified 3rd only a few ticks behind. i finished 2nd but the field of about 25 racers in stock/rubber was all very close.
g12314
11-17-2003, 03:55 PM
Nexus - Thanks for the tip. I'll be making a lunch stop at Venture Hobbies to pick up some pinions and other items tomorrow to be ready for Wednesday.
Jimmy
Jimmy, RSJ has a pretty good hobby store on the premises. I'm not sure what they have in stock as far as pinions go, but give them a call. Their number and hours can be found on this link.
http://www.rsjraceways.com/sub/directions.asp
looks like they're closed on mondays though.
The arcornite is a fast motor if you crank up the timing. But like Walt said, it's pointless if you technically have to run a fixed endbell motor.
But FYI, the difference between an arcornite at 0 degrees and one at 20 degrees is HUGE, so if you didn't play with the motor timing out of the box, it'll be slow compared to any other motor. Anyone know what the C2 timing is at? I'm guessing somewhere around 20 degrees.
g12314
11-17-2003, 05:47 PM
Euge - Thanks for the tip. Venture is really close to where I work, and we like the Thai place next door for Lunch :).
I saw you mention MPC, is that MPC Products in Skokie? Reason I ask is that I have a few EE friends that work there.
Jimmy
yep, mpc products. who do you know? I've been here for quite a while.
mab_man20
11-17-2003, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Euge
The arcornite is a fast motor if you crank up the timing. But like Walt said, it's pointless if you technically have to run a fixed endbell motor.
But FYI, the difference between an arcornite at 0 degrees and one at 20 degrees is HUGE, so if you didn't play with the motor timing out of the box, it'll be slow compared to any other motor. Anyone know what the C2 timing is at? I'm guessing somewhere around 20 degrees.
My guess would be 24 degrees. That would be where Id start with the arconite.
SO we got 4 TC racers so far for wednesday?
yeah, hopefully it'll be more than 4.
Rookie Solara
11-18-2003, 11:58 AM
Yeah, C2 is fixed at 24 degree........but again, no one stopping you to open up the end ball and do your own TIMING on C2, I think almost everyone did that already.
Still trying to put everything together, and yesterday, I soldered a 4 cell 3300 set and give it a charge, the package said I should charge it at 6 AMPS, but I am not completely comfortable to charge it 6 AMPS for the first time, so I charged it at 4 AMPS.........however, 45 minutes later, it finally peaked, but here is delima........my pack is KINDA HOT (not super HOT, but HOT enough that I don't think it is right).......and on the charger, I read 3780mah on the final charge.................now....my packs are 3300 mah only........it ended up 3780 mah? Is that normal..? If I see 3400 or 3500, I understand.......but 3780? That explained why they are HOT........
Now....what I did wrong...? I used the Reedy Charger same as Nexus...it is no toy r'us charger (even though one of the exhaust fan is busted already), and I charged it using LOWER amps then it suppose to.........is that the problem? Please advise.
the battery will get kind of hot. use your temperature gun from nitro and measure the temp and tell us what temp it's at. I can't remember what temp is acceptable. might be around 160F? maybe someone else can tell.
and if you charge at a lower current, you'll gain runtime, which is the mAh I believe. try it at 5.5A and let us know what the numbers are.
warpainter
11-18-2003, 12:20 PM
howard aj told us any 19 turn with a fixeed endbell (no ajustable timing) the reedy is just a new spec (fixed endbell)motor, but there there are other 19 fixed end bell out there but the c2 still seems to be the one to beet
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Yeah, C2 is fixed at 24 degree........but again, no one stopping you to open up the end ball and do your own TIMING on C2, I think almost everyone did that already.
eh? that makes no sense. everyone at AJ's buys a fixed timing motor then defeats it somehow? by cutting off the tab or somehow cranking the endbell? How are they doing this? And if they're adjusting the timing by messing with the endbell, why not just allow adjustable endbell motors like the Arcornite?
I know there are ways to increase timing by cutting the brushes in a certain way, and I think that's legal.
mab_man20
11-18-2003, 12:27 PM
Way back in the day half cut brushes were really big in stock motors. They looked like:
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This tricked the motor into thinking it had about 3-5 extra degrees of timing. Unfortunately you sacraficed brush/comm contact area and therefore max current.
Im with walt in the thinking that cheating defeats the purpose, i always just think of cheating at solitare...it just removes the challange.
AreCee
11-18-2003, 12:36 PM
Euge,
A couple things: I remember many years ago when we ran sealed end bell stock motors some racers would "crank" the armature to advance the timing. This didn't work so well most of the time. Another way was to use brushes that were cut to advance the timing but the comm would get more wear. That worked a little until the brush wore down and the comm would be shot.
Battery temp: I think I remember reading this in one of Trinity's instruction sheet that the temp for a NiMH shouldn't exceed 120 F. Charging at 5 A or more is OK but you need to turn down the Delta V to about 3 to 5 MV which should help keep the battery's internal temperature down. The problem is that you don't want the internal temp to go real high but by the time you can feel the heat on the outside means the the inside was cooking much longer. I rarely charge my batteries with more than 5A and that would be to peak them just prior to a race (like less than 5 minutes to the start).
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Yeah, C2 is fixed at 24 degree........but again, no one stopping you to open up the end ball and do your own TIMING on C2, I think almost everyone did that already.
Still trying to put everything together, and yesterday, I soldered a 4 cell 3300 set and give it a charge, the package said I should charge it at 6 AMPS, but I am not completely comfortable to charge it 6 AMPS for the first time, so I charged it at 4 AMPS.........however, 45 minutes later, it finally peaked, but here is delima........my pack is KINDA HOT (not super HOT, but HOT enough that I don't think it is right).......and on the charger, I read 3780mah on the final charge.................now....my packs are 3300 mah only........it ended up 3780 mah? Is that normal..? If I see 3400 or 3500, I understand.......but 3780? That explained why they are HOT........
Now....what I did wrong...? I used the Reedy Charger same as Nexus...it is no toy r'us charger (even though one of the exhaust fan is busted already), and I charged it using LOWER amps then it suppose to.........is that the problem? Please advise.
What was your delta peak voltage set to? I've been using about 6mV per cell on these packs. If you use too much, it will take your charger too long to detect full charge and overcharge (and overheat) your cells.
AreCee
11-18-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Euge
yeah, hopefully it'll be more than 4. I'm going to try to make it. I had a lot of fun racing you and Nexus. I found out why my handling became worse on the third qualifier and the main, I had a broken steering rack.
Nexus
11-18-2003, 05:30 PM
Rookie.
Here is what's recommended for batteries. This is from a Fukuyama Racing one of the up and coming battery matchers in the U.S. and Asia. They have a ton of guys running them and one of their sponsored racers placed 4th at the Reedy Race in Asia....so overall their recommendations are pretty well respected.
Peak detect cut-off ( voltage threshold ):
We suggest a .05 ( 50 mv ) for 6 cell packs.
We suggest a .03 ( 30 mv ) for 4 cell packs.
(those could vary depending on ambient temp)
Your cells should be warm to slightly hot but not burning hot. To determine this, the temperature should be between 135f to 155F. If the temperature reaches above 155F, it is suggested that you shut off your charger or turn down your peak detection. Charged packs should be right before you race while the pack is still warm.
i've used these methods and found my packs to be at about 145ish when fully charged.
arecee?
were you at RSJ this past saturday? just wondering who you are...:confused:
i might not make it weds cause i've been sick :mad:
Rookie Solara
11-18-2003, 11:01 PM
GUys.....thanks for the quick respond, I think we will all learn from each of us....but mostly, from all my MISTAKES.
I think I've got the answer........everyone is correct (except me).....I was charging the 4 cell 3300 battery per REEDY's chargers manual.......it was stated this way.
For 3300mah - charge 4.0 amp
Discharge - 20 amps or less
Over Peak Voltage Cutoff...............THAT IS THE PROBLEM
It said..............3000 mah use 5mv (nexus, you said 50mv, is that a typo or it means something else...?)
But I think 5mv is for SIX 6 GOD DAMN CELLS.........not 4, I think that was the reason why my battery is getting HOTTER then I thought.
Still.........i think the temperarture was like 180........it is HOT, not super HOT........
I knew my charging AMP should not be a problem, 4 AMPS for 3300 is like cake.........even Fukuyama recommand 6 AMPS (all over the package).........
I think I just blew $33 last night.........still, 2 more packs to blow, hope better luck tomorrow night.
P.S....just saw Walt thread and he said he used 6mv.........now, tell me, what was my problem.....? Do you think it was because my charger has 1 working exhaust fan, and that made my charger work harder and made my batteries HOTTER....? Please, that POS Reedy charger is like 6 months old and 1 of the fan is broken already....just don't make me buy Japanese brand even on RC stuff....:mad:
AreCee
11-18-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Nexus
arecee?
were you at RSJ this past saturday? just wondering who you are...:confused:
i might not make it weds cause i've been sick :mad: I'm also known as Crash Gordon aka Dave K.
rookie,
I don't think it was a typo that nexus typed. I use a 0.030 V delta peak for a 6 cell pack. That's the same as 5 mV per cell.
0.050 sounds high though. that's over 8mV per cell.
I don't know about the reedy or integy charger, but I love my pulsar and T35. If I didn't buy a T35, I would have bought a second pulsar.
also, your battery that was hot is probably fine. I like to track battery stats from the day I get them so I can see when performance drops off. My 1 yr old packs are down in voltage, so I might pick up some new packs. :)
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
GUys.....thanks for the quick respond, I think we will all learn from each of us....but mostly, from all my MISTAKES.
I think I've got the answer........everyone is correct (except me).....I was charging the 4 cell 3300 battery per REEDY's chargers manual.......it was stated this way.
For 3300mah - charge 4.0 amp
Discharge - 20 amps or less
Over Peak Voltage Cutoff...............THAT IS THE PROBLEM
It said..............3000 mah use 5mv (nexus, you said 50mv, is that a typo or it means something else...?)
But I think 5mv is for SIX 6 GOD DAMN CELLS.........not 4, I think that was the reason why my battery is getting HOTTER then I thought.
Still.........i think the temperarture was like 180........it is HOT, not super HOT........
I knew my charging AMP should not be a problem, 4 AMPS for 3300 is like cake.........even Fukuyama recommand 6 AMPS (all over the package).........
I think I just blew $33 last night.........still, 2 more packs to blow, hope better luck tomorrow night.
P.S....just saw Walt thread and he said he used 6mv.........now, tell me, what was my problem.....? Do you think it was because my charger has 1 working exhaust fan, and that made my charger work harder and made my batteries HOTTER....? Please, that POS Reedy charger is like 6 months old and 1 of the fan is broken already....just don't make me buy Japanese brand even on RC stuff....:mad:
Howard: make sure you keep 'mV per cell' and 'mV for the entire pack' separate in your head. With my charger (and I think yours), you put in the mV/cell and the number of cells and the charger multiplies the two numbers together for you to give you your total delta voltage. On my 'Toys R Us' charger, you have to do the math yourself and put in the total pack delta voltage.
So pretty much all the numbers are pretty close. Fukuyamma seems the highest, at about 8 mV per cell (to get their 50 mV or 30 mV per 6 or 4 cell packs respectively). They are trying to get the maximum voltage though, and probably don't care too much about cell life (especially since they are selling batteries).
I've had pretty good luck so far with 6mV per cell (24 mV total for a 4-cell battery pack). My batteries are right around 130F when finished charging, and when I discharge at 30 amps they reach about 175F. I'm cutting my discharge current down to 20 amps so they don't get quite as hot, and since that rate more closely represents what happens to the batteries in actual use. If your battery pack got up to 185 F while charging they are probably still OK, but it's probably not a good idea to keep on doing that. Turn down the delta peak voltage until they are getting close to 3300 mAh and not quite as warm.
Also, remember that the ideal delta voltage goes up as your charging current goes up, so Fukuyamma's 8mV per cell might be good for their recommended 6 amp charge rate, and 5 or 6 mV is probably better for the 4-5 amp rate I've been using.
xxx mike
11-19-2003, 08:11 AM
Hi Walt. I am just sitting around considering coming to run 1/12 also with you. Just wanted to try and get the low-down on what I need to buy to come out and race with a competetive car. I still have all my gas stuff, so just considering adding on a car and some batteries. Maybe shoot me an email if you have the time.
Thanks
Mike
Rookie Solara
11-19-2003, 11:20 AM
I think my brain works much better at around 3:00 to 4:30am..........this morning around 3, just got up for absolutely no reason and decided to solder the other 2 packs of batteries, and of course, try to charge the batteries ONE more time and see which one will blow up first.......and I FINALLY figured out what was my problem.
My problem, is actually NOT a problem, it is just my MISUNDERSTANDING about electricity........if you guys recall, I was saying my battery pack was charged at 4 amps and discharge at 20 amps and delta peak set at 5mv, I was set to CYCLE mode to 1 time..........the final result was like 185 degree, and I realized that the battery was just finished DISCHARGING, instead of charging.......and I realized one more thing is the battery will get HOTTER after discharging then charging........THAT IS new to me, I never realized that discharging will get the pack much HOTTER then charging......(the result I figured that out was I try to ran the car this morning and the pack has no juice inside at all....)
So now, I know my charger and fine, all the batteries are fine.........it is just simply I was thinking the wrong information at the beginning.
However, now, I would like to have a OVERALL AGREED charging information so I can start charging SAT night....(again, they are all 4 cell Fukuyama Pro-match)
Charge - 6 amps
Discharge - 20 amps (that is the MAX for Reedy charge, Walt, your charger can go higher, but not mine)
Delta peak - the manual said 5mv per cell, everyone.....agree? (or Higher....lower?)
Trickle Current.............I know that is not important since I should unplug the pack after finish charging ASAP...but still, need a number...
Overall, you guys helped me resolved my stupid ass problem.......now, I need my C2, foams and paint the body....maybe I will get up at 3 again tonight to start the body.
Walt/Tim, what time do you guys usually be at AJ...? If you guys get there earlier, can you save me a sit around your pit? Also, do I need to bring my own table...?
Thanks....RS
Sounds like you are fine now with charging and discharging and your battery temperature.
6 amps still seems a little high for charging, but Fukuyamma recommends it, so it's probably fine. I don't see a problem with a 4 or 5 amp charge rate, unless I'm in a big hurry (6 amp charge rate = 33 minute charge time, 5 amp charge rate = 40 minute charge time, 4 amp charge rate = 50 minute charge time).
5mV/cell is probably good. I was using 6 but will probably drop to 5 as well.
Trickle current: that's easy. Set it to zero. I haven't heard anyone say yet that NiMH batteries like to be trickle charged after being peaked. Just turn it off.
I'm going to try to get to AJ's about 9:30am. He opens the doors at 9am, racing doesn't start until noon, but I want to have some time to run practice since I'm still pretty new to this 1/12th stuff. However, I am planning on bringing along my Dad to check out the racing, and maybe one friend of mine too, so my ability to be 'right on time' will be hampered by having to rely on other people (like my unreliable Dad) to be on time.
No need to bring a table as AJ's has nice benches set up already. He's got chairs there too. But bring a rag for rubbing down your tires, and a small, soft paint brush for cleaning off the car (like I need to tell you that... you bring a brush for cleaning your nitro cars).
Rookie Solara
11-19-2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Walt
(like I need to tell you that... you bring a brush for cleaning your nitro cars).
That...........you don't have to say more, I am the GOD of brush and strong believer on "ALL SHOW and NO GO" culture.
What time do they usually finish the race....? I have to add 1 hour 15 minutes drive time back to see my understandable wife, just need to watch my time. (how much to race..? 15?)
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
That...........you don't have to say more, I am the GOD of brush and strong believer on "ALL SHOW and NO GO" culture.
What time do they usually finish the race....? I have to add 1 hour 15 minutes drive time back to see my understandable wife, just need to watch my time. (how much to race..? 15?)
I heard that they had a lot of people last week running multiple classes, which slows things down a lot (allowing time to charge all those batteries). I don't think they got out until around 6pm. The day I was there we got out at 5:30.
It is $15 to race. And no personal transponders.
T-Racer
11-19-2003, 12:38 PM
Mikee XXX
I run touring car at Ajs. And now i have a 1/12scale car that Frank set up for me if you want to run it Sunday your more then welcome too. You can even ride up with us om Sunday. Get in touch with me and i will tell you where me and Frank meet. I left my phone # with your Dad.
T-racer (Tony G)
warpainter
11-19-2003, 03:36 PM
i dont know were this came from or who started it but were not using any type of cheater 19 turn motoors at ajs and if there is peaple running them that we do not know about they must not be very good , because there getting beat by guys running of the shelve c2s, so that should dispell that rumore.
The day I was there, I was probably the only one with a 'cheater' motor (the Arcornite), but it was pitifully slow since I had not adjusted the timing, so obviously no one cared about that (even though I did win... it wasn't due to my car's speed, that's for sure).
I really want my car to be legal, and I REALLY like the idea of a 'spec' motor class. Something fast enough to be fun, but not so fast that great batteries are needed, and easy to tech so everyone is on an even playing field. That's pretty much what I'm seeing at AJ's in the spec motor 1/12th class, and that's one of the main reasons why I like it.
I'm looking forward to Sunday. Will you be there Warpainter, and will you have your 1/12th car running? I hope so.
Rookie Solara
11-19-2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by warpainter
i dont know were this came from or who started it but were not using any type of cheater 19 turn motoors at ajs and if there is peaple running them that we do not know about they must not be very good , because there getting beat by guys running of the shelve c2s, so that should dispell that rumore.
Tim....please accept my appology if my statment was misleaded you and others from AJ about the cheater motor.......what I was trying to say is, most ppl that use C2 does manually adjust the timing even though it was a fixed end balls sytem, but i've got that information from other forum regarding C2 motor....and I assumed everyone will do the same with the C2 motor at AJ...
If everyone does kept the C2 stock....that is a good sign, I know nothing about timing, and was planning to get school by you guys every week.
About Walt's motor...........that was honest mistake, beside, he didn't even adjust the timing at the beginning, and i knew he just got a C2 so he can run the same motor that everyone are running....so am I.
See you all Sunday
pev942
11-20-2003, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Walt
Actually, I think that the micros at Tinley are more difficult, now that I've done both. The Tinley track is just so tight... no room for error. If you can run fast and clean with a modified micro at Tinley, I think you can do just about anything in RC.
.....
amen brother!
i did return to racing micros and it took me awhile to get back in the swing. i might be getting a touring car and racing at ajs this winter
also did your hear hobbytown of oak park is opening a micro track! i cant wait to try it. i have been away too long do they have a website?
jj
Originally posted by pev942
amen brother!
i did return to racing micros and it took me awhile to get back in the swing. i might be getting a touring car and racing at ajs this winter
also did your hear hobbytown of oak park is opening a micro track! i cant wait to try it. i have been away too long do they have a website?
jj
Get a 1/12th scale car JJ... you college guys are on a buget, and the 1/12th cars cost less, and with your micro driving skills, I know you'd be really good at 1/12th scale.
Rookie Solara
11-20-2003, 10:08 AM
Everything is set now..........fixed charger, fixed receiver, fixed 3PK, SB12 is set, foam tires will be here today, C2, brushes, springs will be here as well.............transponder holder is on....
What else do I need for this sunday?
Walt, I tried my motor on my SB and I think it will fit 34T (the biggest I can mount on the motor pod)..........do you think I need anything over 34T? I tried that in my basement....and just a tap on the throttle, the car is straight to the wall panel....good thing I do have a baby seat there to absort the impact.....but that was my modified motor, I will switch to C2 when I have it tonight...
One thing I kinda hate it....it is difficult to remove or install those 4 cell on the SB espeically the shock is in the middle..........beside, I start hating the idea SOLDERING the wire (without using deans plug) on batteries....I don't know why, I just don't like it.
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Everything is set now..........fixed charger, fixed receiver, fixed 3PK, SB12 is set, foam tires will be here today, C2, brushes, springs will be here as well.............transponder holder is on....
What else do I need for this sunday?
Walt, I tried my motor on my SB and I think it will fit 34T (the biggest I can mount on the motor pod)..........do you think I need anything over 34T? I tried that in my basement....and just a tap on the throttle, the car is straight to the wall panel....good thing I do have a baby seat there to absort the impact.....but that was my modified motor, I will switch to C2 when I have it tonight...
One thing I kinda hate it....it is difficult to remove or install those 4 cell on the SB espeically the shock is in the middle..........beside, I start hating the idea SOLDERING the wire (without using deans plug) on batteries....I don't know why, I just don't like it.
Mr. Warpainter is the expert, but I think 34 will be OK for you, at least for now. I ran the 30 tooth my first (and only) day out there, and although the car was noticably slow, I did manage a win and the car was fairly competitive. 34 should be pretty close to perfect, and definitely close enough for now.
The AE car is just as difficult to get the batteries in and out. I just remove that shock every time, that makes it easier. Soldering is a pain too, but at least you don't have to do it too many times in one race day (6 times I figure). I have a feeling that we'll just get used to that.
mab_man20
11-20-2003, 11:28 AM
Micro racing at HTOP:
We will be running tonight. Last week Mac took home our donated computer (thanks haunted) and is messing with it and giving it a new OS and video card. Hopefully it will be done tonight so we can run the alleycat software (which we got working on Rookie's laptop last week but the processor was just too slow to keep up). Hope to see everyone tonight. Practice starts at 5:30, racing at 6:30.
I headed up to RSJ Raceways last night to check out the track. It is an amazing set up! Its tight and the boards dont give, but only 2 people broke due to collisions with the boards (one of which was a hard hit with a brushless motor on the mod setting). Congrats to nexus on winning the main (stupid false peak **** *** **** ******* ****). Hopefully between up there and micro i can finally get some consistant racing going and improve on my driving.
Rookie, if people all over the place are adjusting the C2 timing then they must be racing in 19T spec classes that do NOT limit the motors to fixed timing endbells (i.e. allow arconite). It sounds like AJ's is running only fixed endbell, therefore there will be no leason about advancing the timing illegally coming from me.
warpainter
11-20-2003, 11:30 AM
you should be able to get a 34 on there no problem also you might want to ask aj if he knows anything of these ,a few guys were running a quick disconect for the shock but i dont know who made it also anyone up for 8 min races in 12th scale currently they run 5 min (kind of lame imoa) maybee ill run 12th if there is anough classes but right know im trying to get up to speed in tc howard if your car is torqeing to one side loosen the diff a little
Originally posted by warpainter
you should be able to get a 34 on there no problem also you might want to ask aj if he knows anything of these ,a few guys were running a quick disconect for the shock but i dont know who made it also anyone up for 8 min races in 12th scale currently they run 5 min (kind of lame imoa) maybee ill run 12th if there is anough classes but right know im trying to get up to speed in tc howard if your car is torqeing to one side loosen the diff a little
From what I saw out there my one race day, 8 minute races would be cool for 1/12th scale. I don't want to push it to a point where you need 'the best' batteries to make time, but from what I was seeing out there, the cars are staying fast for 9 or 10 minutes, so 8 minute races should be safe.
If enough of us tell AJ we want to run 8 minute races, will he do it?
Rookie Solara
11-20-2003, 12:43 PM
Warpainter, walt and others..........thanks for the head up....I knew I will start learning elect day by day...and again, I am no hurry or having any desire to WIN any thing at all, I just want to have a good FUN time...........
For me, popping that POS skinnyass VDS shock is a pain....the shock itself is so easy to break if you push/pull it hard enough....so tonight I will see I can use a standard ball end joint with screw and just screw IN and OUT instead of popping the ball cap everytime.
About the rear ball diff.........know nothing and care the less about it UNTILL you guys tell me my diff is all F UP....
About the biggest tooth that fit on my car....I cannot believed 34T is the biggest pinion that I can use on this car, just like the RC12L3, I cannot push the motor any more BACK to fit anything bigger then 34T....if I need something bigger, I can only change the SPUR to 96 or 88 and redo all the ratio drive calculation crap....weel, I think 34T is fast enough for me, and I don't see I need anything faster then that.
Now..........what should I do with the body? Victoria Secret edition or PLAYBOY edition....? Tough choice.....:D
rustymccoy
11-20-2003, 02:50 PM
if any one is looking for a lil practice/ fun tonight come on out to the old venture raceways which is now rsj raceways! a few of the CSRC (chicago sytle r/c) guys will be there around 530 or so. i have red hair you cant miss me! lol
www.rsjraceways.com
Nexus
11-20-2003, 10:22 PM
walt....rookie.
walt i thought you mentioned you plan to enter races at more tracks...if so i would recommend doing the 8 minutes in 12th scale. i know RSJ and Trackside run that amount of time...that way it would also prepare you for any big race since they almost always run 8 mins for 12th scale heats/mains.
pev942
11-21-2003, 12:46 AM
went to htop orland park for micro races but they were not racing. they are having a micro race 2 weeks from tonight. we need to show them how it is done!
howard you need show them how to drop kick your micro across the track
walt sorry to hear what happened at the challenge, the only reason i would get a sedan instead of a 12th scale is that i can run it all year round. if i could afford it i would run nitro sedan and 12th scale in their seasons but am on a tight budget
dont forget about the micros!!!! they are by far the cheapest way to race
Originally posted by Nexus
walt....rookie.
walt i thought you mentioned you plan to enter races at more tracks...if so i would recommend doing the 8 minutes in 12th scale. i know RSJ and Trackside run that amount of time...that way it would also prepare you for any big race since they almost always run 8 mins for 12th scale heats/mains.
I'm all for 8 minute races in 1/12th scale. It's just a matter of talking AJ into it. I'm not sure what the issues are (unfair to other classes that run 5 minutes, or maybe he doesn't want to risk starting battery wars, or he doesn't want to extend the day... who knows).
Unless you are suggesting that I just start trying out other tracks. Well, Trackside is one heck of a long haul for me, so I don't see me going up there too often. I could try RSJ, but I don't think there will be much difference between RSJ and AJ's really, so I tend to lean towards AJ's where the track is a little bigger and I really like the guys I race there with.
I'm already trying to talk my wife into letting me go to Cleveland next year... that would be fun. I'll probably have to skip the Thursday practice, but be there for Friday-Sunday.
I need to get to Cleveland before I am eligible to run in the 'Masters' class (4 more years and I'll be eligible for 'Masters' status.. that 'ell make you feel old).
I have an opportunity to purchase a used computer from work for $75. It will be plenty fast for use at HTOP, and will come with a 'decent' monitor as well.
But I'd have to make the purchase tomorrow, so someone from HTOP would have to let me know today.
Rookie Solara
11-21-2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by pev942
howard you need show them how to drop kick your micro across the track
JJ....good to hear you again, and yes, I am still trying to help them (HTOP) to setup the micro track and system, however, I believe the FAST MICRO are still at Tinley park right now.........I am waiting for my M18, and still trying to put the HPI one together (missing some weird ass screws on my EXO chassis)
Also, if you are running 12th scale, that will be fun to watch...it is just like MICRO at TP and just 1.5 times bigger and faster......if you want low-budget 12th scale Trintiy Switch blade Spashett edition 2002, I have a almost brand new (but missing the whole rear shaft parts) for sale for $50....the rear parts can be purchase at Tower for $40.....add your servo, esc, radio gears, tires, motor and body......you are ready to go.
But of course, if TC is what you want to go........there are quite alot out there (ebay) for sale real cheap.
Walt....check your email.
Warpainter and others with Switchblade....
I have 1 problem....the new foam (rear from TRC) that I've got.........the foams are way too much, it rub the lower carbon plate of the motor pod.....do you guys have problem like that....? Also, I think the tires are way big, did you guys true them down alittle to be racable?
Can anyone tell me does AJ has someone that can true tires for a small fee? I have a truer but I don't have the adaptor yet....
Now, I need a 12th scale tire adaptor for the Hudy tire truer....one more damn thing to buy.
Oh...one more question, just got the C2 motor, do I still need to add several capacitor on the motor? What is that small little circuit board at the end of the motor does? Is that a small capacitor? Thanks
warpainter
11-21-2003, 10:52 AM
rookie your tires are probably not spaced right i forget the width but ill ask itsjusme sat also yes we do true down tires but not everybody does so bring your truer and ill see if i can find an arbor
Originally posted by Walt
I have an opportunity to purchase a used computer from work for $75. It will be plenty fast for use at HTOP, and will come with a 'decent' monitor as well.
But I'd have to make the purchase tomorrow, so someone from HTOP would have to let me know today.
HTOP: I have more details about the computer. It will be a 333mHz machine with 128 meg of ram (should be plenty to run Alycat). It will have a CD drive, and will come with a keyboard, mouse and 17" monitor. There will NOT be an operating system... they format the hard drive before they raffle them off to employees.
mab_man20
11-21-2003, 11:46 AM
Yesterday Mac brought back the donor computer around 7 with a little revamp. So we dont need it. But what processor is it anyway? P2?
For December 4th we will have pit tables spread out, power, food is within walking distance, PVC pipe with HPI corner dots.
I hope most of you can make it!
Originally posted by mab_man20
Yesterday Mac brought back the donor computer around 7 with a little revamp. So we dont need it. But what processor is it anyway? P2?
For December 4th we will have pit tables spread out, power, food is within walking distance, PVC pipe with HPI corner dots.
I hope most of you can make it!
All I know right now is that it's 333 mHz, but if you don't need it for the track, then it doesn't really matter anyways. I'm glad you guys were able to get a computer up and running.
Rookie Solara
11-21-2003, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by mab_man20
Yesterday Mac brought back the donor computer around 7 with a little revamp. So we dont need it. But what processor is it anyway? P2?
For December 4th we will have pit tables spread out, power, food is within walking distance, PVC pipe with HPI corner dots.
I hope most of you can make it!
Well, computer is working now? What about that KO garbage? If the lap counting system doesn't work, that is meaningless.
mab_man20
11-21-2003, 02:41 PM
I know, like I said, we are working to get everything working correctly (stupid KO piece of garbage :p )
Rookie Solara
11-23-2003, 10:09 PM
Wow....I have to say, since I start racing NITRO 5 years ago, this is the first time I find another excited day of RC racing, and racing ELECTRIC......those little 1/12th scale with 4 cells are FAST, and those 19T motor is no STOCKER, I had a great time today at AJ, and those MOD class TC are something, fast and I think as excited as NITRO touring, and AJ, the track is GREAT, big and smooth and I had a great time today.
Thanks to Walt, Frank, T-racer and Warpainter for all the head up, I knew I have long way to go, and very much sure I am no way to get close to you guys, but overall I learn alot on Electric again and am sure I will get faster and give you guys some competition.
Warpainter, I never realized that you are the same TIM that raced Micro untill Walt told me the end of the race.......beside, that WARPAINTER brand TC body.....super NICE looking....and will deifnitely talk to you more.
Frank.....thanks for the tips and the painted body, that help a lot, and thanks for borrowing the 33T and "cheat sheet"....I will study that over my other trip at ART INSTITUTE....LOL
electric rules! Nexus and I won turkeys on saturday
warpainter
11-24-2003, 09:53 AM
rookie ,walt, frank just like to say you guys did great yesterday and im glad you guys had fun, sorry i could not be of more help but i wasbusy trying to get my car to work i just couldnt seem to get it together well back to work know
Originally posted by warpainter
rookie ,walt, frank just like to say you guys did great yesterday and im glad you guys had fun, sorry i could not be of more help but i wasbusy trying to get my car to work i just couldnt seem to get it together well back to work know
I meant to tell you at the end of the day that I think I figured out what was making my car oversteer yesterday while it was understeering two weeks ago. At the end of the race day two weeks ago, I noticed that my front tires were coning a little. I made a camber adjustment to try to make the tires wear more evenly (added about a degree of negative camber). Well, this seems to have given me too much front traction, and was causing the loose condition yesterday. I adjusted the front camber back to where it was (tops of the wheels tilted slightly more out), and the car went back to understeering like it did two weeks ago. I still didn't have anything for Frank, but I was only 7 seconds behind him at the end instead of a full lap.
I didn't realize that the car would be that sensitive to the front camber setting. I'll get my car handling in the next couple of weeks and Frank and I should have some fun racing each other.
Now I've just got to convince my wife to let me race next Sunday, but after getting home so late yesterday, it's going to be a tough sell.
mab_man20
11-24-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Euge
electric rules! Nexus and I won turkeys on saturday
Damn, that means i could have easily walked away with one! lol
COngrats.
Rookie Solara
11-24-2003, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Walt
I didn't realize that the car would be that sensitive to the front camber setting. I'll get my car handling in the next couple of weeks and Frank and I should have some fun racing each other.
Now I've just got to convince my wife to let me race next Sunday, but after getting home so late yesterday, it's going to be a tough sell.
That is interesting to know......I have the similar problem, but it was a little UNDER.......if the camber (by like 1/2 degree) will make that much of a different, make sure double check your TOE as well, because if you adjusted your camber, it might change your toe to slikely "IN"....that will give your less steering (or the opposite....I am not 100% sure).
After driving like 85 mph and worry about the cops the whole trip from Dekalb to Elmhurst in less then 45 min. (instead of 58 min. going from Elmhurst to Dekalb) and got home like 7:15pm.........I received a big "NO" rejection for the upcoming Thanksgiving race this sunday.........so, most likely, see you guys in 2 weeks, or more.
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
That is interesting to know......I have the similar problem, but it was a little UNDER.......if the camber (by like 1/2 degree) will make that much of a different, make sure double check your TOE as well, because if you adjusted your camber, it might change your toe to slikely "IN"....that will give your less steering (or the opposite....I am not 100% sure).
After driving like 85 mph and worry about the cops the whole trip from Dekalb to Elmhurst in less then 45 min. (instead of 58 min. going from Elmhurst to Dekalb) and got home like 7:15pm.........I received a big "NO" rejection for the upcoming Thanksgiving race this sunday.........so, most likely, see you guys in 2 weeks, or more.
You never ask if you can race next week right after you get home from racing! Women need a little while to forget that they missed you while you were racing, and instead, have a little time to get sick of you being around. Come next Sunday, my wife and I will have been together all day for 3 days straight... she'll probably want me to leave on Sunday.
Anyway, when I adjusted the camber, I made sure that the TOE was correct (basically straight ahead, or maybe a tiny bit of toe-in). So I don't think that was it.
Rookie Solara
11-24-2003, 04:07 PM
That was happened exactly 7:04pm........
Wife: " Where are you?"
Howard : "Ah....driving...."
Wife: " Where exactly....?"
Howard: " Just passed Aurroa....."
Wife: "How come that late....?"
Howard: "Late...? Not late....it is still early..."
Wife..." Will that be racing next Sunday..?"
Howard: " yeah, big race next Sunday...."
Wife: "You knew you are not going....so don't even ask..."
Howard: "........................................ not going to."
Wife: " .........click"
Phone hung up.............
............Ended up eating diinner at some fancy Greak restaurant costed me $85..........(almost = 3 packs of Fukuyama pro match or 2 Reedy Qual-meg motor....)
End of story.............
Originally posted by mab_man20
Damn, that means i could have easily walked away with one! lol
COngrats.
thanks. yeah, you should come out on saturday when the level of competition is a lot higher than it is on wednesdays (or at HTOP). There were a lot of top level A main guys there racing stock rubber: Jon Adams, Aaron Brooks, Goop, Nexus, Robbie Robisco, Crash Gordon..........
All those guys on any given day can outrace me.
The 'turkey' was cool. it's a gift certificate in the amount of what it would cost to buy a turkey. I have no idea how much that is.
by the way, RSJ is having a trophy race on Dec 6th.
I don't have all the information, but the race is mentioned on the rsj website
http://www.rsjraceways.com
Here are trophies that nexus and I won last spring (not for a single race, but for a whole points series. I doubt the single race trophies will be that big, but you never know.).
I think that's mabman on the other side of the table. (note: no trophy) :P jj
http://www.iit.edu/~siaeuge/rc_stuff/novice_points.JPG
mab_man20
11-24-2003, 09:10 PM
yeah thats me and my official drinking shirt!
I have to come down and get one on the 6th.
:D
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
11-25-2003, 12:01 AM
ok what do you mean ONLY 7 sec behind frank thats better than half a lap by the way walt balls i wanted to ask you if the body on my car was level i figured you would know ( YOU WERE BEHIND ME ALL DAY) just kidding i had a nice time a bit late i love to race but it was a 12 hour day anyway i cant take credit for sunday tim (warpainter) and ed get the credit they have been pushing me and basicly set the car up they say i have a way to go yet i dont know how any fault in my racing will or would be driver error not the car i need to be more smooth (or cheat i hear messing with the timing is the in thing lol) i just want to say i agree with tim anyone who cheats you dont have to worry about there is a reason for them doing it besides ther is a lot more to this than speed i will be out there next sunday if anyone cares hey walt if you or anyone else is out this way we should car pool
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warpainter
11-25-2003, 01:13 AM
ouch!looks like im the first loser
T-Racer
11-25-2003, 09:32 AM
Wow
Trach talk or trek talk as Howard would say. Well i'm 5th from bottom Guess only way is to go up. Frank on the forum now everybody has to step up a notch.
T-Racer
Originally posted by T-Racer
Wow
Trach talk or trek talk as Howard would say. Well i'm 5th from bottom Guess only way is to go up. Frank on the forum now everybody has to step up a notch.
T-Racer
I sure didn't start the trash talking this time... I admitted that I "didn't have anything for Frank" all day long, but I was much closer in the main. In the qualifiers, Frank could have stopped for coffee and still beat me... in the main, if he would have made a mistake requireing marshalling, I could have caught him, but it was his race to loose, not mine to win, and he drove perfectly so he won.
I do feel like the car can be better though, so I'll work on it and try to at least make it a challenge for Frank. But in the mean time, I'd rather loose a race like on Sunday to Frank than win one where there was no competition at all. I'm glad there are guys at AJ's who are going to be very tough to beat... that's how we all get better.
And remember Frank, the trash talking can go both ways.. we're 1 and 1 by my score card now...
I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it this Sunday (I haven't asked permission yet), but I'd say the odds are pretty good.
Rookie Solara
11-25-2003, 11:17 AM
"Trust" talking title owned by ME...........so please, take a hike.
And slowing down the lead guy is also my JOB.......and will depends on whos paid me good enough to slow HIM down....LOL
There is still a slim chance to go this SUNDAY......and I will try Walt's technique.......stick around with my wife as many hour as possible and hope she will get bore of me before Sunday.
Walt.......have you considered the diameter of the tires too...? You know team driver true their brand new tires to race.....I am sure Frank/Tim or others will know the RACE diameter of the front and rear foams for 12th scale....48mm rear or smaller? I heard someone mentioned that is the perfect/best diameter.
warpainter
11-25-2003, 02:38 PM
well i think probably could of stoped for coffie and a donut :D o no warpainter startin s&$t again:p :p
kakolitoy
11-25-2003, 05:41 PM
HI! to everyone,
It had been a while since the last time I check this forum. Seems like the Chicago info... turned to Chicago Electric info... About six to seven pages were all Electric info. I was hoping to get some Chicago nitro scoop, so @ least I have an idea what to get for X-mass. This is unbelievable, everyone is just electric Guru. Usually, I see some nitro going on, but even a bit nothing about nitro!!!
Well, happy Thanksgiving to all!!
Rookie Solara
11-25-2003, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by warpainter
well i think probably could of stoped for coffie and a donut :D o no warpainter startin s&$t again:p :p
From the other forum , they recommand 48mm rear and 44mm front diameter to start........any idea?
I don't think running STOCK diameter of foam will work, not that I am fast like Frank and Walt (and you too Tim) but I found the car is way OVER and traction roll big time....
Not to mention, I have to mount the body like a SUV to have tires clearence.
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
11-25-2003, 08:26 PM
IM ONLY MESSIN AROUND I WANTED TO START SOME S$%T TO MAKE THIS MORE FUN ALL OF YOU THAT KNOW ME KNOW IM A VERY CALM AND GENTLE MAN WHO HATES CONFRONTATION WITH SAID I SPENT HOURS ON THAT CAR ONLY TO GET A HALF LAP ON WALT WHO AS FAR AS I KNOW HAS A BOX STOCK RIDE ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE IF I DONT GET SMOOTH SOON I WILL BE FIRST PLACE LOOSER I JUST LIKE TO START S%$T WALT DID BEAT ME THE FIRST WEEK WHEN I WAS DRIVING TIMS CAR THE SCORE IS 1 TO 1 AS FAR AS THE TIRES I DID NOT NOTICE ANY CHANGE IN THE CAR AS THEY WORE DOWN I HAVE BEEN LOOSING ABOUT A 1MM TO A 1.5MM PER RUN IM SURE THIS IS A POINT ONE CAN ARGUE TILL THE COWS COME HOME BUT AT MY LEVEL I CANT TELL AND AT 40 BUCKS A POP IM NOT TRUING ANY OFF UNLESS I HAVE TO WALT I WILL DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU BUT IM SURE YOU KNOW MORE THAN I PLUS THE TRINITY CAR IS NOT THE SAME HOWARD YOU I CAN SHARE WHAT I KNOW WE BOTH RUN THE SAME CAR YOU JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE FRONT END OVER SO THEY ARE THE SAME I STILL THINK YOUR BETTER OFF WITH TIM AND ED BUT IF YOUR MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ME THATS OK ON THIS END WALT CALL ME ABOUT THE CAR POOL THING HOWARD CALL ME TO 708 403 2735
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The car pooling thing sounds good in theory, but I really can't sign up to that right now. The drive just isn't long enough to be worth taking the risk that my wife might call at noon and say the baby's sick and I've got to come home right now, and I'd be stuck at AJ's without a car. If it were not for the baby at home, the car pool would work great. It was a much nicer drive last Sunday with my Dad and my friend Chris in the car with me to talk about RC and other stuff. For now though, I need to have that flexibility to be able to leave early should something happen.
I bounced the idea of racing this Sunday against my wife last night (after she asked me to help her put up Christmas decorations all day Friday, and have some friends over on Saturday) and she seemed to realize that this was a negotiation with acceptable terms, so I think I'll be at AJ's Sunday. Now I've just got to uphold my end of the bargain and put up Christmas decorations (that no one will see, and the baby will get into) with a big smile on my face... then go racing.
Nexus
11-26-2003, 08:24 AM
traded all day shopping friday to race tonight :D
i've been on a pretty good streak of racing weds/sat. next month i plan to make it out to AJs but i need to practice using 19T/foams first. seems everyone there is running them and i've only run stock/rubber.
is the stock/rubber class more of a 'novice/sportsman' class at AJs and all the fast guys run the 19T/foam? just wondering...
thanks.
T-Racer
11-26-2003, 08:35 AM
Nexus
I was watching that class on sunday closely. There are really some good racers in that class. So you would have some competion in that class. Foam Class was running 25 laps per 5 min time and rubber tire all where running 22 and 21 laps. They where beating some foam guys.
T-racer
Rookie Solara
11-26-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by AKA_GEN_VOODOO
WALT I WILL DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU BUT IM SURE YOU KNOW MORE THAN I PLUS THE TRINITY CAR IS NOT THE SAME HOWARD YOU I CAN SHARE WHAT I KNOW WE BOTH RUN THE SAME CAR YOU JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE FRONT END OVER SO THEY ARE THE SAME I STILL THINK YOUR BETTER OFF WITH TIM AND ED BUT IF YOUR MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ME THATS OK ON THIS END WALT CALL ME ABOUT THE CAR POOL THING HOWARD CALL ME TO 708 403 2735
[ SECOND PLACE IS FIRST PLACE LOOSER ]
First.........NO MORE LONGEST SENTENCE competition....I have a difficult time to understand, if a CHINESE man cannot understand what you are writing, that is pretty bad.
Second, like the doctor ordered, I've got myself the "Spagetti Edition" on the front end of my SB12, so Frank, you can start schooling me all the active front adjustment thingy. Beside, I would like to do those fancy SCREW mod and the upgrade the rear side shocks to those CRC cromn one, I saw some of those at Al's and I want to convert my SB12 to "ALL SHOW NO GO" edition.
About Car pool.........I would love to take a turn to drive one time, however, my 2 door "LOW-MOBILE" is not the best thing everyone that would enjoy, especially with T-racer/Frank on board, I have to put 2.5 Walt and 3.5 Howard on the other side in order to keep my car's ride height and "TREAK" balanced.......(just kidding man)
I still have a chance on SUNDAY, and Frank, if I bring the truer, do you think I can use your Adaptor...? Hudy is back ordered that piece, they said it might be early NEXT YEAR, I bet ppl buying that piece for this weekend National @ Cleveland.
PS, why don't we drive up to Cleveland and watch the Final...?
Rookie Solara
11-26-2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Walt
Now I've just got to uphold my end of the bargain and put up Christmas decorations (that no one will see, and the baby will get into) with a big smile on my face... then go racing.
Damn...........pressure is on me, what can I do to get me a race day SUNDAY....? Guys, I need ideas......
Real X'mas tree that will leave pins everywhere in my living room..?
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Damn...........pressure is on me, what can I do to get me a race day SUNDAY....? Guys, I need ideas......
Real X'mas tree that will leave pins everywhere in my living room..?
I got out of that one (tree) by reminding the wife that those needles all over the place just might be hazzardous to a crawling around infant.
Just spend a lot of time together for the next 3 days... I can't imagine anyone NOT getting sick of seeing you after 3 days straight! (just kidding)
Rookie Solara
11-26-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Nexus
is the stock/rubber class more of a 'novice/sportsman' class at AJs and all the fast guys run the 19T/foam? just wondering...
thanks.
I've only been there 1 time, but yes, 19T/FOAM is NO novice class, I was talking about A-main 19T/Foam, they are the FASTEST ppl on the stand that you can find in the whole AJ...ppl like Tim(Warpainter) ESPO and Aaron Alexander are the one thats up there almost all the time...........and talk about 1 little mistake, you are like 1/2 lap down already, and what surprise me is, the track is big (sure bigger then RSJ) but with 6-7 cars on the main, I don't see there are many passing there, because it is very difficult to pass unless someone made a mistake or overturn a little..........when I saw ESPO/TIM/AARON running last SUNDAY, there were like tail after tail for the entire race, and waiting for someone to make mistake or so....
So Euge/Nexus..........you have to get ready, I am sure AJ's ppl will give you the same challenge that you will find on RSJ (with quite a lot ppl there last week prepared for tomorrow's Cleveland National)..........I am sure if I am lucky, I can probably made the low B-main (if I ever want to run a Elect TC).........A-main ppl are definitely OVER my skill level.
Beside, I don't recall there is a 19T/rubber....I know there is a stock class, but seems like they are all FOAMS....I am sure Warpainter can provide more information on elect TC class.
Rookie Solara
11-26-2003, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Walt
Just spend a lot of time together for the next 3 days... I can't imagine anyone NOT getting sick of seeing you after 3 days straight! (just kidding)
Can't do that....Friday and SAT, she has to OPEN her clinic since most of the ppl are come in from out of town and would like to take a visit, however, I will have to answer phone and be a NURSE (ha ha, funny....) on those days........but there would not be a lot of time that she could see me, it is like spending time with her but she won't see me enough that she will get tired of me....
Beside...Friday is a big sales day, she has already planned to invate Oakbrook mall and Baby's R us for the baby shower thingy.
That really leave me no time to work on the car, in fact, I didn't even discharge all the packs and charge them for storage....I bet my packs are going to die soon.
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Can't do that....Friday and SAT, she has to OPEN her clinic since most of the ppl are come in from out of town and would like to take a visit, however, I will have to answer phone and be a NURSE (ha ha, funny....) on those days........but there would not be a lot of time that she could see me, it is like spending time with her but she won't see me enough that she will get tired of me....
Beside...Friday is a big sales day, she has already planned to invate Oakbrook mall and Baby's R us for the baby shower thingy.
That really leave me no time to work on the car, in fact, I didn't even discharge all the packs and charge them for storage....I bet my packs are going to die soon.
Offer to go with shopping on Friday.. that ought to buy you a day at the race track. And don't worry about the 'storage' of your packs for one week. They have a partial charge in them since you didn't discharge them after racing, and many people feel this is the best way to store them anyways.
Rookie Solara
11-30-2003, 09:28 PM
So....how was the race yesterday? Another 1-2 finish by Frank and Walt...? And who did win this time...?
I was suppose to be with you guys yesterday (I can't believed my wife said she will let me go on SAT by spending almost 10 hours at Michigan City outlet mall on Friday...) unfortunitely she doesn't feel good on SUNDAY morning and I don't think I feel comfortable to race and leave her at home...
I am sure I can make it in 2 weeks......Walt, is that your next race on your schedule....? Let me know...
T-racer....do you still race Micro on Wednesday? Just want to know....not sure I have time to get my micro ready but would like to try....
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
So....how was the race yesterday? Another 1-2 finish by Frank and Walt...? And who did win this time...?
I was suppose to be with you guys yesterday (I can't believed my wife said she will let me go on SAT by spending almost 10 hours at Michigan City outlet mall on Friday...) unfortunitely she doesn't feel good on SUNDAY morning and I don't think I feel comfortable to race and leave her at home...
I am sure I can make it in 2 weeks......Walt, is that your next race on your schedule....? Let me know...
T-racer....do you still race Micro on Wednesday? Just want to know....not sure I have time to get my micro ready but would like to try....
There is actually a pretty good chance that I'll be able to make it next Sunday (December 7th) because Saturday is my wife's company holiday party, which she knows I hate.. she'll owe me come Sunday... Too early to talk about the 14th, but I'll try.
Yesterday had it's ups and downs for me (actually, downs, then ups). First of all, I really didn't like the track layout... front straightway right under the driver's stand going into a high speed sweeper. As I've said before, I HATE front straightaways. You just have no peripheral vision when the car is that close to you, so that part of the track should be low speed whenever possible. If there is a stopped car at the end of a back straightaway, you see it out of the corner of your eye well in advance to miss it, but with a front straight, you don't see anything until you hit. Plus, the cars were going so fast down that front straight that you had to swing your head from right to left pretty fast to keep up with the car... kinda made me dizzy.
During open practice I took that darn sweeper too tight and clipped the back of my car on the inner pipe, breaking the T-bar on the car (pretty major damage for a 1/12th car). The only spare I had was the 'outdoor' T-bar (the .063" thick one, as opposed to the .075" think one I had been running, which is supposed to be better for carpet). I figured the car would be terrible with that t-bar in there, but it was a long drive home, and I had already paid my entry fee money, so I made the swap in time for the first qualifier.
The car was actually much better with that t-bar, or at least better suited to my driving style. I managed to TQ and win, granted that Frank and Tim (who raced 1/12th yesterday) were having problems. For the first time though, I really felt like my car was handling to my liking... I think I'll be keeping that t-bar in there.
Much of the racing between me, Frank and Tim yesterday turned out to just be who had the most luck, because as we were turning in 24-25 lap runs, there was a new guy out there managing only 10 laps, and he was one of those guys who just swerves back and forth all the time at about 5 mph and often stops before each turn so he can think about which way he needs to turn the steering wheel. There was no 'skill' to passing him.... you just had to get lucky, and I think I happened to get lucky more often than Frank and Tim (I think Tim's car went 6 feet into the air once as he hit that guy head on... one guess which car was going the wrong way down the track, and I know Frank's car was busted at least once, maybe twice after tangling with 'the red car'). It was like the track had random cinder blocks placed out there, in a different place each lap... if it happened to be in your racing line, you hit it.
There were other cars running maybe 20 laps to our 25, but those aren't so bad... they are going fast enough where you have some time to set them up for a pass, and they hold their line well enough to get around cleanly most of the time, but this new guy was really tough.
And I don't blame him.. all of us got mad at him at some point, but it's really not his fault. He should not have been in the A-main at his skill level, but with 7 cars signed up, AJ ran us all together, which would have been fine except for that really new guy. We were all new at some point, so I try really hard to cut him some slack.
Now that my car is really running well, I'm looking forward to getting back out there as soon as I can. I think I'm going to pick up some spare parts though...
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
12-01-2003, 08:42 AM
WE QUAL 1 AND 2 WALT WAS TQ HE RAN GOOD I HAD A DNF IN THE MAIN AND #3 QUAL I JUST MADE TO MANY BAD CALLS TO DO ANY GOOD I WAS CHANGING BODYS AND RETUNNING THE CAR WAY TO MUCH THE FIRST QUAL WAS THE ONLY GOOD ONE I HAD WALT CAME OUT AND GAVE ME A SPANKING I WAS ALL OVER THE ROAD WITH SETUP THE SCORE IS 2 TO 1 IN WALTS FAVOR I BLEW
PERSONAL QUOTE [ 2ND PLACE IS FIRST PLACE LOOSER ] :mad:
chicago rc
12-01-2003, 09:29 AM
Walt,
You should not pick on the new guy like that, Howard is still new to 1/12th scale. Give him some more time and he will get better.
I might be able to get out to AJ's on the 7th, I will let you know or hopefully just see you there.
A few of us are going to RSJ's this Wed. night, I ran the front one-way diff at AJ's last time, is that going to hurt me at RSJ being such a tight track???
Brian:D
T-Racer
12-01-2003, 09:38 AM
Micro racing is alive and well at Tinley Park Bowl. With the New Losi Mini T and the New M18 out in Hobby Shops. i see more racers out on every Wednesday Night. Some guys at Aj s said they will be out. Still great pizza and food at Bowling alley and the best of all NO SMOKING IN RACE AREA.
January will start a 3 mouth series with different classes for different cars and throphy plates for each and a overall winner, look for more details on web site.
T-Racer
Good job on Sunday Walt TQ and A- main winner. Wow Back to your winning Ways
Originally posted by T-Racer
Micro racing is alive and well at Tinley Park Bowl. With the New Losi Mini T and the New M18 out in Hobby Shops. i see more racers out on every Wednesday Night. Some guys at Aj s said they will be out. Still great pizza and food at Bowling alley and the best of all NO SMOKING IN RACE AREA.
January will start a 3 mouth series with different classes for different cars and throphy plates for each and a overall winner, look for more details on web site.
T-Racer
Good job on Sunday Walt TQ and A- main winner. Wow Back to your winning Ways
Thanks Tony. Get me the micro racing series information and I'll put it up on the web site.
Rookie Solara
12-01-2003, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by chicago rc
Walt,
You should not pick on the new guy like that, Howard is still new to 1/12th scale. Give him some more time and he will get better.
I might be able to get out to AJ's on the 7th, I will let you know or hopefully just see you there.
A few of us are going to RSJ's this Wed. night, I ran the front one-way diff at AJ's last time, is that going to hurt me at RSJ being such a tight track???
Brian:D
While I was reading Walt's thread............I am thinking the EXACT same thing...."Brian is going to say that new guy is me.....I garantee that...."
Next post.............Bamm............Brain.
Come join us on the 7th........I can show you how good I am on 12th scale........this new guy only took 10 laps, but I can get 20 plus garantee.....however, I can still managed to drive the wrong side or sudden stop like this new guy while I am taking 20 plus lap....except, I will be aimming your car and see what part of your TC3 I should break..........LOL
Anyhow......good to hear Walt is back on the winning road, and I missed to race with TIM, hopefully, I can see him next week.
Rookie Solara
12-01-2003, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by T-Racer
................. and the best of all NO SMOKING IN RACE AREA.......
I can never imagine that will come out from T-racer's mouth.......:D
I need to paint the body ASAP to make it this wednesday.
warpainter
12-01-2003, 11:26 AM
walt congrats on the win i will probably be racing 12th untill i get this new car workin at least as good as my old one, hopefully better see you all next week , also i hate front straitaways (gag) this week there will be a back straitaway already seen new layout
Rookie Solara
12-01-2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by warpainter
walt congrats on the win i will probably be racing 12th untill i get this new car workin at least as good as my old one, hopefully better see you all next week , also i hate front straitaways (gag) this week there will be a back straitaway already seen new layout
So you have the new REFLEX? Or something else.....
Also, if someone is interested on a almost new Trinity Switchblade 1/12th scale with new Sanwa mini metal gear servo, please let me know.......I am selling my spare car.
1 Bad STi
12-01-2003, 01:23 PM
Hey guys, where can I start practicing 1/8 buggy nitro during the winter indoor? I the only place I saw was Leisure's i believe. Thanks
Looks like our buddy Espo managed 3rd in both the 1/12th and touring car 'masters' classes (over 35 years old) at Cleveland.
Aaron Alexander made the C-main in 1/12th mod (not bad), but it looks like he broke. He made the 'D' in touring car mod. and finished 3rd.
I don't know any of the fast guys from Venture (or whatever it's called now) or Trackside... did any of them have a good showing?
I hope that Aaron and Espo make some races at AJ's with their 1/12th scales, so I can see how Frank, Tim and I do against them.
Originally posted by 1 Bad STi
Hey guys, where can I start practicing 1/8 buggy nitro during the winter indoor? I the only place I saw was Leisure's i believe. Thanks
That's the only place I know of, besides, of course, outside with a heavy coat on.
Rookie Solara
12-01-2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Walt
Looks like our buddy Espo managed 3rd in both the 1/12th and touring car 'masters' classes (over 35 years old) at Cleveland.
Aaron Alexander made the C-main in 1/12th mod (not bad), but it looks like he broke. He made the 'D' in touring car mod. and finished 3rd.
I don't know any of the fast guys from Venture (or whatever it's called now) or Trackside... did any of them have a good showing?
I hope that Aaron and Espo make some races at AJ's with their 1/12th scales, so I can see how Frank, Tim and I do against them.
Where can we read the national? Thanks
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Where can we read the national? Thanks
They've got results on the indoor nationals website:
http://www.usindoorchamps.com/
There are also some links to pictures of the track and stuff... looked pretty cool.
pev942
12-01-2003, 04:26 PM
i wanted to know if hobby town oak park will be racing micros this thursday
i will be in tinley wednesday and will try to get some racers to come up if the tracks is open this week
HauntedMyst
12-01-2003, 05:25 PM
Yes, HTOP will be racing this week. Bring as many people as you can.
1 Bad STi
12-01-2003, 07:47 PM
anyone on here go to Leisures to race???
Rookie Solara
12-01-2003, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by 1 Bad STi
anyone on here go to Leisures to race???
I am sure some of us here does have off-road buggy or such, but almost all of us are ON-ROAD kinda ppl now, especially WINTER time, that means indoor elect. touring, 12th scale or even micro racing.....then summer time = outdoor on-road nitro touring and elect touring.
No time for off-road............
However, if you have electric off-road, RSJ raceway race off-road (Electric only) indoor on sunday...........how do they do it..you have to ask them.
Leisures is the only indoor nitro off-road that still run off-road right now.....however, not sure they have 1/8th class, the track seems too small for any 1/8th.........
Rookie Solara
12-01-2003, 11:17 PM
Walt/Tim/T-racer/Frank...............I don't know about you guys, next year, I would like to just go to this Cleveland National to race (don't even care I ended up at H-Main)..........it is interested to see racer like DAVID SPASHETT, BARRY BAKER, BRIAN KINWALD, ATSUSHI HARA, JOSH CYRUL, BILLY EASTON....just to name a few.
It is just FUN to watch those guy race............
1 Bad STi
12-01-2003, 11:32 PM
thanks for input.
Kenji
12-02-2003, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by 1 Bad STi
anyone on here go to Leisures to race???
Me and my two kids race at Leisure. We're regulars there. We run on all electric Fridays. We race T-3's. and a B-4. We're B main racers.
What do you want to know?
If you want a forum where the leisure people hang out in go here:
<http://tinyurl.com/xbpd>
Kenji
12-02-2003, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Leisures is the only indoor nitro off-road that still run off-road right now.....however, not sure they have 1/8th class, the track seems too small for any 1/8th.........
Yes they run 1/8th scale class. Saturdays is when the gas guys race....but I'm sure there will be more days now that it's cold outside.
www.leisurehoursraceway.com
...call over there and ask Bernie when's the best time to come to race.
As far as it being too short I'm not sure. The track dimensions are at their website. But the majority of guys I see practicing aren't A Main 1/8th scale racers. Lot's of b grade.
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Walt/Tim/T-racer/Frank...............I don't know about you guys, next year, I would like to just go to this Cleveland National to race (don't even care I ended up at H-Main)..........it is interested to see racer like DAVID SPASHETT, BARRY BAKER, BRIAN KINWALD, ATSUSHI HARA, JOSH CYRUL, BILLY EASTON....just to name a few.
It is just FUN to watch those guy race............
I'd love to go too next year... got to start working on the wife NOW to get to go next year (plus, this is a race where you really need to register early and book the room early, especially if you want the room to be close to the track).
My question is, do you HAVE to get there on Thursday if you are going to race, or can you arrive on Friday morning (or Thursday night) and still get registered and race? I know I'd miss practice, but with 400 people there, you don't get much practice anyways. I don't see any way I'm getting out of Thanksgiving dinner with the family (nor do I really want to), but I might be able to get out Thursday evening, after the dinner part is over with.
mab_man20
12-02-2003, 09:00 AM
Ill be out at RSJ's wednesday night and will be at HTOP for micro on thursday. Practice starts at 5:30, racing at 6:30.
Rookie Solara
12-02-2003, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Walt
My question is, do you HAVE to get there on Thursday if you are going to race, or can you arrive on Friday morning (or Thursday night) and still get registered and race? I know I'd miss practice, but with 400 people there, you don't get much practice anyways. I don't see any way I'm getting out of Thanksgiving dinner with the family (nor do I really want to), but I might be able to get out Thursday evening, after the dinner part is over with.
Well.......I have 2 plans at there, 1, if everything works out, I register to race, sure, why not....they have "K-main" on some races and ppl only ran like 12 laps to finsih....I think I can manage some K-main on NATIONAL, and tell ppl "I raced National regularly...." LOL.........
2nd plan.......just go there to watch, SAT and SUN is not that bad...driving is not hard at all, but seeing top rank racers is something interest me............thats all.
I think I will be enjoying watching then racing on this kind of race...again, 400 ppl with 25-30 heats a day....that is worst then HPI challenge.
warpainter
12-02-2003, 10:49 AM
im up for it ,but from what i here if you dont get your entry in the first to days the entry comes out you will not get in, also scottys place (trackside in milwakee) will be holding two big races one being the novak race and then one of the triple crown races all the big guys should be there
Originally posted by warpainter
im up for it ,but from what i here if you dont get your entry in the first to days the entry comes out you will not get in, also scottys place (trackside in milwakee) will be holding two big races one being the novak race and then one of the triple crown races all the big guys should be there
I'm hoping that I can either register on Friday morning, or, as I'm sure I'll know other people going, one of them can sign me in or whatever on Thursday... I have a feeling that I'm not the ONLY person who can't make it there on Thanksgiving day due to family obligations, and that is just a practice day, so it doesn't seem like missing it should make one inelligible for the weekend.
I am interested in those other races at Trackside though. Do you have dates or anywhere I can get more information about them?
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Well.......I have 2 plans at there, 1, if everything works out, I register to race, sure, why not....they have "K-main" on some races and ppl only ran like 12 laps to finsih....I think I can manage some K-main on NATIONAL, and tell ppl "I raced National regularly...." LOL.........
2nd plan.......just go there to watch, SAT and SUN is not that bad...driving is not hard at all, but seeing top rank racers is something interest me............thats all.
I think I will be enjoying watching then racing on this kind of race...again, 400 ppl with 25-30 heats a day....that is worst then HPI challenge.
If I go all the way to Cleveland, it will be to race, not just to watch.. I like RC racing (obviously), but not as a spectator sport. If you are going to be there, you might as well race.
1 Bad STi
12-02-2003, 11:33 AM
kenji- thanks for the info.
pev942
12-02-2003, 02:22 PM
whos all down for micro racing at hobby town oak park.
walt frank tim howard? who wants to go
Originally posted by pev942
whos all down for micro racing at hobby town oak park.
walt frank tim howard? who wants to go
Sounds like fun, but I won't trade Sunday racing for micro racing. I might have to choose one or the other to keep my wife and baby happy (mostly my wife).
I do want to try out the Oak Park Micro track though... I'll see what I can do about making it out there, but don't hold your breath...
warpainter
12-02-2003, 04:47 PM
probably not for me neather kind of workin on my new 12th scale car so micros are going to have to take a back seat for awile
Rookie Solara
12-02-2003, 05:28 PM
I will stop by Thursday night so I can make sure the KO system is working....I have no body on my Micro so I am not going to race.
Beside....I really need to get back to the 12th scale (again, BODY) and start playing with the battery (didn't touch the battery like 9 days...)
chicago rc
12-02-2003, 11:31 PM
Isn't that Triple Crown race at Scotty's one of of the STORM - Oval races? Those guys are really fast and know electrics like nobody's business but I would hate for you to head up there and see nothing but a big oval to race on.
Originally posted by chicago rc
Isn't that Triple Crown race at Scotty's one of of the STORM - Oval races? Those guys are really fast and know electrics like nobody's business but I would hate for you to head up there and see nothing but a big oval to race on.
If the Triple Crown race there is Oval, and I think that the Reedy race might be touring cars only, then it still looks like the only 'big' race for 1/12th within easy driving range is Cleveland next Thanksgiving.
Also, according to the ROAR website, the carpet on-road nationals will be in Ohio in March, but that's probably too soon for me to manage to attend this year, and still a pretty long drive.
I'm going to still shoot for Cleveland next year... that would be a blast. I only made it there once before, when I was 15, in 1987 (6th place, A-main 'sportsman', which was kinda like the current day '1/12th scale 4-cell stock' class). Back then I actually tagged along with a young Espo and his friend Dan (they drove me there and back)... I reminded Espo of that a couple weeks ago and he had no idea that that was me back then.
Rkmori
12-03-2003, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
I will stop by Thursday night so I can make sure the KO system is working....I have no body on my Micro so I am not going to race.
Beside....I really need to get back to the 12th scale (again, BODY) and start playing with the battery (didn't touch the battery like 9 days...)
Hey guys I got with one of my material supplier and got a roll of copper strip about .005 thick x .250 wide I figured we could tape that to the floor it is thin enough to where it should not interfere with the chassis and make the loop closer to the xponders. I soldered wire at the ends, I'll bring that thursday and we can give it a try..... Did Mack ever get that CPU working?
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
12-04-2003, 09:16 AM
I MIGHT BE UP FOR THE MICRO THING AT OAK PARK EMAIL ME AND TELL ME WHERE AND WHEN AKAGENVOODOO@AOL.COM
THANKS FRANK
Rookie Solara
12-04-2003, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by AKA_GEN_VOODOO
I MIGHT BE UP FOR THE MICRO THING AT OAK PARK EMAIL ME AND TELL ME WHERE AND WHEN AKAGENVOODOO@AOL.COM
THANKS FRANK
How was the TP micro turn out right now...? 3-4 classes at least..? I just want to know...and I think I will be ready by next week as long as I figured out what color I want for the micro body...
I will be at HTOP tonight around 5:30 and see you guys there......
pev942
12-04-2003, 01:36 PM
there is 2 heats of micros the last 2 weeks at tinley park. i know alot of guys are waiting till the xray m18 comes out. personally i think the xray is gonna be no good. ryan and his father came out to the track with the new losi mini-t and let me say that thing is so cool i might have to get one
i am not able to race micros at htop this week but i will definetly be there next week
I have received spousal permission to race at AJ's this Sunday, December 7th. I'll probably get there later than usual (about 10:30), but I should be there.
So, who else will be there?
HauntedMyst
12-04-2003, 03:05 PM
I talked with one people who have been testing and running the M18 and they say it rocks. Stable, fast and balanced and much more of a true racer then the HPI. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the pan micros most people run.
Originally posted by HauntedMyst
I talked with one people who have been testing and running the M18 and they say it rocks. Stable, fast and balanced and much more of a true racer then the HPI. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the pan micros most people run.
In all other scales, full suspension cars don't keep up with pan cars on smooth, carpet tracks. I suspect the same will be true with the M18, ESPECIALLY if you go for that 'high motor mounting position'... just having a short antenna on a micro car makes it incapable of beating a car with no antenna (in the hands of a capable driver of course) just due to raising the CG by a couple mm. That motor up in the air alone will prevent the M18 from keeping up with a pan-style Micro.
This is my prediction... we'll see if it comes true.
warpainter
12-04-2003, 03:18 PM
o ya that thing has lots of chassis flex to , might compete aganst a stock micro but defintly wont hold a candle to say a ratzas or motek . will have to wait untill the graphite chassis comes out with the ball diffs and figure out a proper way to fit a big block in it
Rookie Solara
12-04-2003, 04:11 PM
2 things are going to happen............1. M18 to mount a big block motor, it is not going to happen on a stock car, so, that need to be resolve.
2. 6 cells..........running 5 cells against HPI with 6 cells and think it will be close, impossible......
If M18 can have BB and 6 cells mounted and still in LAY FLAT position, then the M18 will have a chance.
Hauntedmyst, if you are coming tonight, you can try my EXO (Motek) Micro with stock rear diff and stock front diff and stock universal.............it still handle great, but of course, I knew it will be better and faster with the GH front ball and HPI rear diff along with the metal universal, then the car is complete.
But again, I knew the option M18 will come out soon......
1 other note......I know I have some shipment from UPS tomorrow....it is weighted 25lbs and 1 is 8 lbs on Monday.....now, you guys jsut have to guess which one is M18 and which one is Serpent 710.
Walt........I think I will miss this week racing again, wife really need some help around the house and I feel guilty to leave her and go play with you guys.....somehow some "week" I will be able to make it.
Rookie Solara
12-04-2003, 04:16 PM
Since I have some spare time....I figured there might be several ways to mount 6 cells without pushing the motor UP HIGH over the shaft....for micro, low CG play a hugh roll.
Stock setting with 5 cells
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/chs2003/x-ray18/stock-m18-01.jpg
6 cells (stick pack) (the best layout)
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/chs2003/x-ray18/6-cell-m18.jpg
6 cells (inline)
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/chs2003/x-ray18/6-cell-m18-02.jpg
The inline layout required some cutting, and cannot be use on SSG precutted battery slot chassis...........you will need to use on stock one, then remove the battery post and holder and dremel some plastic at the end of the motor mount...then use strapping tape to tape your battery down like 12th scale pan-car style.
I think the scale of the XXL, SPY ESC, Hitec 81MG servo are very close.....the odd one is the big block motor (I used the HPI Elite one because I can't find a vertical view of the BB motor...)...and the batteries 2/3A are very close to actual size.
pev942
12-04-2003, 04:55 PM
howard let us know the how htop racing is track size and people turnout
warpainter
12-04-2003, 05:27 PM
howard time to take of the skirt and put on some jeans, and come out and race with the guys:D :D :D just kiddin hope you make it out soon
Rookie Solara
12-05-2003, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by warpainter
howard time to take of the skirt and put on some jeans, and come out and race with the guys:D :D :D just kiddin hope you make it out soon
Come on.....not my favorite SKIRT.....
I will definitely try to make it this SUNDAY, I really want to, cause I have that "Spegetti edition" front end mounted on my SB12 now....and I will try to put more "blink blink" to increase HP and torque so I can race try to catch you, Walt and Franky....but at least, I should be able to catch the last spot of the A.
PEV942(and others) Yes, I was there last night....the track layout is GREAT, Great for 5-6 cars at once..........I am not saying it is BIGGER or LONGER or WIDER then TP, but it is different and I feel comfortable to race on the track last night....all I need are several fast guys from TP to come down here and try out the track.
On top of that....finally get the KO counting system "COUNT"....I didn't realized that to make that counting system DOES the counting is the CHALLENGE.......(I told them to get the $5000 AMB system......they said no problem, except that $5000)....
Anyhow....I don't want to say it from Mab_man20, but let say NEXT THURSDAY, the track will be in full race mode and ready for race...I will have him to post the opening of the track here.
Every place has a start...so don't expect 30 plus ppl racing like TP every week, but with the arrival of the M18, there are quite a lot of ppl just got them and planning to RACE them. Not to mention, we need ppl like PEV942, warpainter and others that race micro to spread the word.......since we are racing on THURSDAY, it should not draw the ppl that goes to TP on Wednesday.
I will have shipment of M18 coming today and monday, FIRST, try to go to Al's hobby shop or Hobbytown USA and see they have one for you.......(I tried to help LHS as well), if not, contact me, I will sell mine for $50 plus $1000 shipping and handling...LOL(just kidding....if anyone interested, contact me)
Hauntedmyst and several others will be running their M18 by next thursday, if anyone want to see the M18 in action, come over HTOP Thursday..........we have a MINI-T running last night with some JUMPS.......that thing is SO DAMN COOL.
mab_man20
12-05-2003, 06:53 PM
As Rookie mentioned we got everything working flawlessly last night (finally *censored*). The track layout was wide enough for passing, yet still had plenty of twisties for fun. If you generally like my layouts then you will like this one. We will set up a new layout every two weeks. Registration will be $5, as long as 3 people want to run a class (ie. mini-T, mini-z, stock etc) then we will run that class.
We have tables, but if you have 4x2 tables you can get a spot with a little better lighting. Id recommend bringing a small desk light, its not dark, but its not bright either. We have padded chairs and power. PLEASE BRING YOUR OWN POWER STRIPS!! That way you can easily plug in and set up solding iron, charger, light, mini fridge and all other track necessities.
Practice will start at 5:30, and racing will start at 6:30 every THURSDAY. You can email me through the board or post here if you have any questions. The store can be reached at 708-445-8056.
Rookie Solara
12-05-2003, 08:33 PM
For those who cannot get the M18 at Al's or other LHS, I have my shipment of M18 here and ready to sell.....so please email me and we can talk more about the price.
Again, check with Al's hobby shop and your LHS first for any M18 in stock.
Then, see you all with the M18 on Wednesday at Tinley Park or Thursday at HTOP.......I will be runniing my HPI (for now) so I can still beat those 5 cells M18.....(for now)
thunderbt3
12-07-2003, 01:57 AM
hey, any of you guys go to NIU, i go to NIU and ive been to aj's but i dont have any electrics to race :( only my ntc3
i read that post about that socal guys, man he must of had his thumb up his butt ripping on every place
i like aj's but i never have time to go there and talk to people
im thinking about drilling up a ntc3 chassis and converting it over to electric so i can drive something around my dorm, even tho its gonna be slow
1 bad sti is one of my buddies, he goes to NIU too
pev942
12-07-2003, 02:17 AM
i go to niu (not sure for how much longer) and i drive to tinley park every wednesday night to race micros and gonna start going to oak park on thursday
i heard something about racing nitros in indiana indoors in a sports dome
thunderbt3
12-07-2003, 02:36 AM
hey, do u race any nitros? do u live on campus? i live in douglas
If any of you are considering getting into electric, or are already into electric but might want to try out 1/12th scale, there are a couple of potential good deals on E-bay right now for AE 12L3's (just do a search for 'rc12L3').
It looks like you can pick up a car with servo and body for maybe $90 or so (it's up to $76 right now, auction ends tonight). There is also a car alone with no servo or body that might go cheap. The kit new is about $140, and a Hitec 225BB steering servo costs about $25 and new bodies are about $15 or less.
To finish outfitting the car doesn't cost much either... you can get the Quantum Sport ESC from AE for less than $80 (14 turn limit, which is fine since we're running a 19 turn spec class). Get that $25 servo I mentioned. The 19 turn spec motors are pretty cheap too (the Chameleon 2 Pro is about $30). And since we run 4-cell, the abuse to the motors and batteries is minimal compared to 6-cell touring cars. The motors and batteries are barely warm after our 5 minute races, so that stuff should last a good long time. And our inexpensive, 4-cell 1/12th spec cars are just as fast as the 1/10th scale 6-cell touring cars, for much less money.
I just want a few more people racing 1/12th with us up at AJ's to make it that much more interesting. It would also be nice to have enough guys to run an 'A' and a 'B' main, to help spread out the skill levels and make qualifying acutally mean something.
Oh, and the Trinity cars are fine too, if you happen to find one of them at a good price. There really isn't too much difference from one pan car to another anymore (in my opinion).
Let me know here if any of you will try to bid on one of these cars, because if none of you do, I might try to get one as just a spare parts car, but I don't want to get into a bidding war with a friend and not even realize it.
Rookie Solara
12-08-2003, 09:48 AM
If someone want a almost brand new condition switchblade 12 please let me know....I am selling my spare now and just use the Spegetti edition for race.............only if I can still race.
And of course, I have plenty of Xray M18 for sale as well...please let me know.
Walt....how was the race yesterday? I have to do some emergency home improvement since Sat night so I cannot make it yesterday.....whos got the TQ and A1..?
T-Racer
12-08-2003, 10:06 AM
Howard
One Guess who won TQ and 1st in A-main
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
If someone want a almost brand new condition switchblade 12 please let me know....I am selling my spare now and just use the Spegetti edition for race.............only if I can still race.
And of course, I have plenty of Xray M18 for sale as well...please let me know.
Walt....how was the race yesterday? I have to do some emergency home improvement since Sat night so I cannot make it yesterday.....whos got the TQ and A1..?
I managed another TQ and A1, but Tim is quickly bringing his new car up to speed, and if Frank can just stop changing 3 things before each race, he'll be right back in it too. Tim's car broke or something during the main... not sure what happened. Frank got second.
All I know for sure is that I've got my car running REALLY well now (or at least running exactly as I like it to run... don't know if it would be to anyone else's liking). I managed to turn the fastest laps yesterday, and at the same time the car was very predictible and easy to drive... I only needed marshalling once all day yesterday, and that was the result of catching a slower car right at the end of the straightaway and making the dumb decision to try to pass him there instead of waiting for the next corner.
I'm having a blast out there now. I hope we can get a few more 1/12th guys to run with us though. Right now, it's not really fair to the couple of new guys running 1/12th. Since we only have one heat for 1/12th, those guys spend the entire day moving over for the fastest guys. If we can get just another 3 or 4 entries, we'd have enough for 2 solid heats. I'm hoping maybe a few touring car guys might jump ship for 1/12th, just to get into a class that is just as fast and at the same time less expensive to maintain and support, but that probably won't happen. I guess I could move to touring cars if I want more races in my class, but I can't see spending all that money and abusing the parts that much more, so I'll probably stick with 1/12th.
I'm sure it would never happen, but the 1/12th 4-cell spec class and the 6-cell touring car spec class are VERY close. My TQ and the touring car TQ (Josh) were within a couple 10ths of a second of each other yesterday... the two classes are actually very evenly matched, as far as I can tell.
sorry... double posted... how the heck do you delete a post???
What I meant to say above (but didn't say very well), is that the touring car spec class and the 1/12th scale spec class could probably run together, but never will I'm sure, since they are so closely matched.
Hanibel
12-08-2003, 10:20 AM
What are you guys trying to do? Drive me nuts.
Walt says get a 12th scale , they are fun and inexpensive.
Rookie dangles a new M18.
I am having enough withdrawl pains from not racing and now all these new temptations.
And of course this year the holiday fall during the week and screw up Wednesday micro night.
Maybe if I am lucky I can get the touring car up and running for a Sunday.
Well, only 2.5 years of school left.
Rookie Solara
12-08-2003, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by T-Racer
Howard
One Guess who won TQ and 1st in A-main
You know what........it is kinda BORING to see Walt did another TQ and A1.............I think it is REALLY the time for the "ROAD BLOCKER" Howard to stop by and STOP the A1 car in the main and give the other some chance....
Believe me, before I saw the post, I had my money on Frank A1, Tim A2 and Walt DNF..........since Walt took last week A1, I thought Frank will fight back with some extra fire power....apparently, those 3 extra fire powered he did right before each race are a little too much...
Frank......what are you going to say...?
Rookie Solara
12-08-2003, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Hanibel
What are you guys trying to do? Drive me nuts.
Walt says get a 12th scale , they are fun and inexpensive.
Rookie dangles a new M18.
I am having enough withdrawl pains from not racing and now all these new temptations.
And of course this year the holiday fall during the week and screw up Wednesday micro night.
Maybe if I am lucky I can get the touring car up and running for a Sunday.
Well, only 2.5 years of school left.
Ha ha ha...........that is the EVIL DEVIL Laughting at you...BUY BUY and BUY MORE......
Well, what are you talking about....we didn't tell you to THINK about it, we are TELLING you to do BOTH.....we race 12th scale at the weekend and 18th scale on Wednesday/Thursday.....guess where Walt's driving skill came from.....? Racing with ME (of course)...and try to pass me every 5 seconds without let me hitting him....LOL.
But to be honest....School / RC...........never in my dictionary. I remembered I dropped RC for good 5 years while I was in collage.
Come on, get your a M18 or SW12 now....at least you can get them cheap here local in Chicago.
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
But to be honest....School / RC...........never in my dictionary. I remembered I dropped RC for good 5 years while I was in collage.
I dropped RC from the day I turned 16 until the day I graduated college, so I am not one to talk either. I got school out of the way first (more important) and then went back to my hobbies. I'm not saying that you can't do RC and school at the same time, but I could not do RC, school AND work at the same time, and I needed to work to be able to afford to go to school... RC would have meant less time to work and at the same time, less money for school... not good.
It's looking good for me to be able to race again next Sunday... got plans for Saturday night, so Sunday should be free. You need to make it back out Howard, and where the heck is Brian with his touring car?
Rookie Solara
12-08-2003, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Walt
It's looking good for me to be able to race again next Sunday... got plans for Saturday night, so Sunday should be free. You need to make it back out Howard, and where the heck is Brian with his touring car?
I think Walt and I both made the right decision.....school/work are way more important then RC....like Walt, I have to work to support school and car payment, if I have to spend the money on RC like now, I think I would not went thru college, and probably work at McDonald now and single "Ding Fry is done, Ding Fry is done........" in McDonald x'mas special....
Come on.....we all know Brain, he said he will make it Sunday, but he never mention WHAT YEAR? And what month...
Well, I will have to see how wife's doing....her work schedule is getting less and less, that means my work schedule getting MORE and MORE.
I really really miss racing now....
warpainter
12-08-2003, 12:13 PM
ok walt dont make me pull my old car out ha ha just kiddin, walt congrats on the win you defintly found the key to running good in 12th but we wont let that get out to the masses.i mean keep your secret,and no i dont meen your cheatin i hope you didnt take offence to me lookin your stuff over i know your not cheatin i just wanted to see your motor because once or twice me and ed get a real fast one. hang on to it, i would probably ony run it when theres a lot more people there, because those really fast ones usally keep gettin better and then poof done deal,my new car is gettin ther but being im a person that does not make a lot of unknown changes in one day it takes me a little longer to get the car to my liking, but it is gettin the i think it was decent in the main but still a little off i got a little behind while me and frank were having rookie battle but i fell i could have caught you if i was not fightin radio demons in one corner, after 5 6 laps i pulled of its not worth wreking my car or running other peoples race because of my problems . and walt i want to compliment you on your driving ethics i mean you could have blasted me in that corner and took off but you waited for me class act and im lookin forword to racin with you again, i was blockin you the third qual to see what your made of now i see its pure racer without all the fancey equip, i think ed might race with us this weekend, if we could get a few more peaple to race like you we wuld have a great bunch of guys like we had last year now for my second part of this post, walt makes walt a good driver take note everybody readin this walt is quiet on the drivers stand not yelling at the marshalls or other drivers he is curteous to other drivers he does not break and let everbody on the drivers stand know about it he just pulls to saftey and ether backs up on the drivers stand or quielity gets of the stand he does not get back on the stand after hes been off because if you miss a lap or two gettin back on the track your just going to be in the way of somebody that is actaully still in the race walts a class act racers take note of him it might just be his little secret to winning races and last but not least i also raced rc and went to school and you can tell by grammer wich one i took part in , (school boring yuk, but very useful.
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
12-08-2003, 12:32 PM
WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY WRONG THING TO ASK ME LOL WALT GOT THE WIN AND HE EARNED IT BUT I TRULY FEEL I WAS NOT BEAT, I LOST FOR SURE BUT I WAS NOT BEAT I MADE THE MISTAKE OF LOOKING AT THE SHEETS WRONG AND BOASTING A FALSE FAST LAP IN THE MID DAY HOWEVER I DID LOOK AT THE SHEETS AT THE END AND FOUND THAT THE THREE THINGS I CHANGED WERE FOR THE BETTER WALT I THINK IN HIS #2 QUAL TURNED ONE 11.2 LAP HE NEVER DID IT AGAIN I HAD TWO OR THREE 11.2 IN THE MAIN HIS ASS WAS MINE AFTER THE RACE HE LET ME DRIVE HIS CAR I NOW KNOW WHERE MY STEERING NEEDS TO BE I WAS VERY HAPPY FOR WALTS WIN AS WAS I FOR MY 2ND PLACE MY CAR WAS TORE DOWN AND REBUILT PRIOR TO LAST SUNDAY AND IT WAS GETTING BETTER EACH QUAL I FEEL IM BACK NOW WHERE I STARTED FROM MAYBE A BIT FASTER I FEEL IT WAS A NEEDED THING FOR ME TO TRY DIFFERNT THINGS ON THE CAR SO I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND IT I STILL HAVE A FEW THINGS TO TRY BUT IM ALMOST THERE AS I HAVE SAID IN THE PAST YOU ALL ARE TO NICE ON THIS POST SO I FEEL ITS MY DUTY TO BE A PROBLEM SO HERE IT IS WALT AKA(WALT BALLS) YOU S#@K TONY AKA(T RACER) IM GLAD TO SEE THE FAITH YOU HAVE IM ME QUOTE "WHO DO YOU THINK WON" I CAN TELL YOU WHO I THINK IS ON THIER OWN NOW GETTING BACK TO WIN AND LOOSE THING FOR EVERTIME WALT BEATS ME I WILL DONATE $10.00 TO HIS CHURCH OR WHATEVER HE WANTS IT TO GO
PERSONAL QUOTE: SECOND PLACE IS FIRST PLACE LOOSER(ME)
PERSONAL QUOTE #2: COME AND RACE OR SHUT UP
NOW THAT IM ON A ROLL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO ALL THE GUYS THAT NEED PERMISION TO RACE FROM YOU KNOW WHO I NOW UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DONT JUST COME RACING (REASON) AJS HAS A TALL DRIVERS STAND THEY MUST BE AFRAID THAT THE OTHER MEN[/B] WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK UP THEIR SKIRTS
OH AND HAVE A NICE DAY
Thanks Tim, and no offense taken.. you can look at my car all you want, and if I do stumble upon any 'secret', it won't be a secret for long because I tell anyone who asks.
I've done nothing to that motor since I got it several weeks ago.. wait, I take that back... right out of the box I felt like Trinity had put in one too many pre-load shims, so I took one out, but I did that right off the bat.
3 weeks ago I got my butt spanked by Frank... I felt I drove my car as fast as it would go, but I had NOTHING for him. Since then I've done the following: changed the T-bar from the .075" to the .063" (I think this was the major difference, and I only did it because I broke the .075" one, but I'm not going back now that I've run with the .063"), and then yesterday I changed the front springs from the kit's .018" diameter to one step softer, the .016" diameter spring wire. Oh, and I also changed traction compound from the FX2 to the FX1 yesterday, but that's just because I ran out of FX2... I don't think that made much of a difference, but I definitely liked the smell (or lack thereof) of the FX2... that FX1 smells much worse.
I have also been learning that these motors go faster if you resist the tempatation to gear up... I was running a 31 tooth pinion the day I got spanked, and was down to a 27 tooth yesterday, with essentially the same diameter tire (all with an 88 tooth spur).
I plan on taking that motor I ran yesterday out this week and putting in my new spare. I'll have to see if I can tell any difference.
And, honestly, in that qualifier where I was trying to get past you cleanly, I felt like my car was better getting into the turns... seemed like I could get next to you on corner entry. I know you felt like I had more punch coming out, but I'm just letting you know what it seemed like from my perspective. I felt I could get into the turns very well with my setup yesterday.
And I just think it's common courtesy to let someone go back past if you take them out trying to get around. I felt I hacked you, so I let you back by... of course, you weren't exactly pulling over and letting me by either, but that's cool.. that run was the most fun of the day for me. I'd still rather come in second in a fun, close race than run away with a win (unless it's a prestigeous race, then I wouldn't mind running away).
I was wondering, if there are only enough 1/12th cars to fill one heat, why don't we run 4 race rounds instead of 3 meaningless qualifiers and a main? We could assign points to finishing positions, 10 for first, 9 for second and so forth, and have the final total based on your best 3 out of 4, so you can have one breakage and still be in it. I think that would make it a little more fun, but I don't care that much either way. But all the races would be 'on the tone' starts, not IFMAR. That would make for some much more exciting racing.
Good old Frank... Well, you can believe this or not, but in the main, once I had built up a big lead, I backed way off. Why risk breaking? I put the hammer back down at the very end, and my second to last lap was an 11.2.
I'm ready for you Frank... let's have some good racing out there!
I predict that by the end of the season, we'll each have about the same number of wins.
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
12-08-2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Walt
Good old Frank... Well, you can believe this or not, but in the main, once I had built up a big lead, I backed way off. Why risk breaking? I put the hammer back down at the very end, and my second to last lap was an 11.2.
I'm ready for you Frank... let's have some good racing out there!
I predict that by the end of the season, we'll each have about the same number of wins.
WE WILL SEE I TORE THE CAR APART SUNDAY NITE AND I PUT THE .063 TEE BAR IN I HAVE BEEN RESISTING DOING IT BECAUSE ALL THE SETUPS I HAVE SEEN USE THE .075 I UNDERSTAND WHY BUT AS WE SPOKE BEFORE I FEEL YOU CAN GET THE SAME RESULTS WITH DIFFERNT SETUPS I DONT THINK THERE IS A ONE SETUP TYPE THING I FEEL ITS MORE THE DRIVING STYLES THAN ANYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS THE OTHER STUFF I WAS JUST BUSTING YOUR ITSY BITSY TINY LITTLE BALLS LOL LIKE I SAID I DROVE YOUR CAR AND IT HAD A TON OF TURN IN IT BUT M NOT SURE THATS THE TICKET FOR ME i mannaged good lap times the last race but i feel the car has more i might be over thinking this whole thing but like i said we will see how it all goes
warpainter
12-08-2003, 04:13 PM
walt i wanted you right behind me in yhat qual just trying to get a fell for how you drive should help later in the year. and as far as my car having more off the corner my spotters confirmed that it my car was just faster thru the middle to exit of the corner (just car setup) but im working on getting it in the corner faster also i talked to some of the bigger guys and they said if we quit wasting our time with 5 min races they would start to race out there frank turn of your caps lock (on your keyboard) thats considered yelling on the forums and i now your not yelling,and if your conteplating that other t bar dont remember we tried it last year i only tell you this from exp if the traction realy come up you'll be wishing you had that rollover antena on . t racer sounds like you just keep making more friends
pev942
12-08-2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by thunderbt3
hey, do u race any nitros? do u live on campus? i live in douglas
no i live in old orchard apartments and tried nitros once i dont own one. i would like too but dont have enough money to race one competively. micros i are the only thing i can afford to race and are the most fun i have had in a long time
tony - i wont be able wont be able to make it wednesday night cause it is my fathers b-day
i will try to make htop thursday night with my micro and my new m18 i picked up (still trying to figure out how to cram 6 cells and a big bock in there). i was shocked at the quality of the x-ray kit how good it was. i am considering an xray t1-evo 2
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
12-08-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by pev942
no i live in old orchard apartments and tried nitros once i dont own one. i would like too but dont have enough money to race one competively. micros i are the only thing i can afford to race and are the most fun i have had in a long time
tony - i wont be able wont be able to make it wednesday night cause it is my fathers b-day
i will try to make htop thursday night with my micro and my new m18 i picked up (still trying to figure out how to cram 6 cells and a big bock in there). i was shocked at the quality of the x-ray kit how good it was. i am considering an xray t1-evo 2
i can tell you from exp the m18 is not a very good car out of the box mine didnt make one lap before the u joint snaped i called it before we got to the track i told tony the car had to many weak spots and would never hold up to a speed 300 i was worried about the u joints when you see yours you will see what i mean also the diffs are pretty weak looking to i ran a 5 cell with a stock motor i had it for one nite and sold it the next day for 75 bucks its junk sell it while you can
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
12-08-2003, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Walt
Good old Frank... Well, you can believe this or not, but in the main, once I had built up a big lead, I backed way off. Why risk breaking? I put the hammer back down at the very end, and my second to last lap was an 11.2.
I'm ready for you Frank... let's have some good racing out there!
I predict that by the end of the season, we'll each have about the same number of wins.
ok i call bullsh!@t your lap times all were in the 11 sec range you only had three laps in the 12 sec range the whole race and they were low 12 sec laps and when i beat you by 7 sec you said it was only 7 seconds i belive i was 3 seconds behind you sunday so if 7 seconds is a BIG lead than than 3 seconds must be huge also i was only busting tonys itsy bitsy tiny little balls he calms me down and im saying this under protest so back to the main topic you are right about one thing you are way off
as allways love frank
pev942
12-08-2003, 09:57 PM
the m18 driveshafts and gear diff are similar in design to the stock hpi shafts and diffs which also broke
xray will be releasing ball diffs and metal universals in time. that is when i would consider racing it but now it is fun to play with on slippery floors. the car has potenial but i wont be giving up my micro anytime soon
xsrwx
12-08-2003, 10:56 PM
I'm new to the sport and am considering trying micro racing before I go full bore into 1/10th scale nitro. What time does the racing start on Wednesdays @ TP Bowl? I thought I would check out the action firsthand.
pev942
12-09-2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by xsrwx
I'm new to the sport and am considering trying micro racing before I go full bore into 1/10th scale nitro. What time does the racing start on Wednesdays @ TP Bowl? I thought I would check out the action firsthand.
track opens at 6 racing starts at 7 it is by farthe cheapest way to race and hone you skills before you go out spend lots of money
thunderbt3
12-09-2003, 03:55 AM
hey rookie, do u have any m18's left and if so, how much are you selling them for?
by the way, whats an sw12? i saw it in a earlier post
Originally posted by pev942
track opens at 6 racing starts at 7 it is by farthe cheapest way to race and hone you skills before you go out spend lots of money
And those micros may be small, but they are a challenge to drive (because they are so fast considering the size track they are on). If you can drive a micro well, I'd say you are more than ready to try other forms of RC racing. I think you'll like it.
Originally posted by AKA_GEN_VOODOO
ok i call bullsh!@t your lap times all were in the 11 sec range you only had three laps in the 12 sec range the whole race and they were low 12 sec laps and when i beat you by 7 sec you said it was only 7 seconds i belive i was 3 seconds behind you sunday so if 7 seconds is a BIG lead than than 3 seconds must be huge also i was only busting tonys itsy bitsy tiny little balls he calms me down and im saying this under protest so back to the main topic you are right about one thing you are way off
as allways love frank
I didn't pull over and stop, I just backed off a bit. I was letting off a little earlier at the end of the straight and taking the infield at less than full throttle... I slowed down to a pace where I was 100% confident that I would not crash, which is just a little slower than 'full out'. If I would have seen your car out of the corner of my eye, I would have stepped it up a bit, but don't get me wrong, it's not like I had a lot left. I was looking for your car (which is tough, with you changing bodies all the time), but never saw it.
When I said before that you 'only' beat me by 7 seconds, I was comparing that to earlier in the day when I was a lap or more behind half way through the race and you could pass me like I was standing still. You still had a HUGE lead, but I had figured something out on my car in the main and made up a lot of the gap, but I've said over and over, I had NOTHING for you that day, period. My only chance was for you to crash, and you didn't. The rest of the weeks out there besides that one, I could run with you, and I hope to keep it that way.
But one thing you will NEVER see from me, is me stuffing myself into a wall or a lapped car when I'm in the lead and not being pressured from behind... that's just part of my driving style. Call bull all you want, but that's just the way I drive... I'm conservative when I can be... in fact, I'm tempted at AJ's to sit out one or more of the qualifiers since they are meaningless anyways. That's why I think we should go to race rounds instead of qualifying and mains.
And if going up to 8 minute races would get more 'good' drivers, I'm all for that, but I think they also want to run modified motors, and I'm not sure that I want to step up to motors that cost more than twice as much.
T-Racer
12-09-2003, 09:41 AM
X
Tinley micro racing starts at 7:00pm but i am there at 5:00 pm seting up the track. most of the guys start showing up after then for practice
T-racer
Rookie Solara
12-09-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by thunderbt3
hey rookie, do u have any m18's left and if so, how much are you selling them for?
by the way, whats an sw12? i saw it in a earlier post
Yes, I have M18...contact me via email please.
And SW12 is actually SB12 it is Trinity SwtichBlade 12 that Frank/Warpainter and myself are running....of course, same car different result cause I am not as good driver as they are.
Contact me via email please, I rather do my business that way....
rookiesolara@hotmail.com
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Yes, I have M18...contact me via email please.
And SW12 is actually SB12 it is Trinity SwtichBlade 12 that Frank/Warpainter and myself are running....of course, same car different result cause I am not as good driver as they are.
Contact me via email please, I rather do my business that way....
rookiesolara@hotmail.com
Warpainter moved on to the newest Trinity car, the Reflex 12, but he used to run the SB12, and still is the guy to talk to about set up for that car.
xsrwx
12-09-2003, 05:07 PM
Ok, I must admit being new to this can get confusing. What size (i.e. 1/12 or 1/18) cars are being raced at these two tracks. This is probably a silly question because you can race either if you just show up but what is the more popular size...
Thanks:confused:
Rookie Solara
12-09-2003, 05:23 PM
AJ only race 1/12th and 1/10th touring car (electric) for now...I don't think they race micro, then on MAY, they will do nitro touring, elect touring race....
Tinley Park race 1/18th Micro only in off-season (Wednesday night), on MAY, nitro touring, elect touring and oversize (1/8 and 1/10 235mm super size) Nitro Outdoor.
HTOP race 1/18th Micro only in off-season (Thursday night), on MAY, nitro touring, elect touring and oversize (1/8 and 1/10 235mm super size) Nitro Outdoor.
So...you need to head to hobby store and get your a 1/12th Trinity Reflex or 12L3, then a NTC3 or 710, then a Xray T1R EVO2 or TC3, then a Xray M18 or HPi Micro, then Serpent 1/8th 950R or 835 or HPi SNRS4.........
Then a 3PK radio with 8 receivers.......
Last....find a second job or 3rd job and you don't want a GF or WIFE for now....
thunderbt3
12-10-2003, 03:33 AM
wow guys, i was looking up htop and the tp track and im interested, i chatted with rookie yesterday and it seems like theres so many tracks, the tp track looks very wide compared to what i usually race at ht st charles. what other tracks do u guys race nitro at during the summer or do u guys usually race at op and tp? how long does racing usually last till? at htsc, races start at noon and dont usually end till around 4 or 5. Im pretty much a rookie, i can say i can drive cleaner than tc drivers at st charles. i led most of the heats i ran on the only day i raced at htsc in a car thats never touched the track before. then the other guys started to wipe me out. is there a class for newbies or something like that? i saw a couple ntc3 rtr's in the pics and thats what i have.
Originally posted by thunderbt3
wow guys, i was looking up htop and the tp track and im interested, i chatted with rookie yesterday and it seems like theres so many tracks, the tp track looks very wide compared to what i usually race at ht st charles. what other tracks do u guys race nitro at during the summer or do u guys usually race at op and tp? how long does racing usually last till? at htsc, races start at noon and dont usually end till around 4 or 5. Im pretty much a rookie, i can say i can drive cleaner than tc drivers at st charles. i led most of the heats i ran on the only day i raced at htsc in a car thats never touched the track before. then the other guys started to wipe me out. is there a class for newbies or something like that? i saw a couple ntc3 rtr's in the pics and thats what i have.
I run the summer outdoor onroad racing at Tinley (Chicagoland R/C Raceway, www.chicagolandrc.com ), so I can comment about our track.
First of all, we've gotten a few racers at our track that used to run at HT in St. Charles, and all have said pretty much the same thing: in St. Charles, it's a bunch of kids playing with toys, and at our track it's serious, controlled, racing. We set up a large track with boards that the cars can't go under or through. We have a driver's stand that will hold 10 people. We have the latest AMBrc scoring system. We have a schedule that we stick to. And, importantly, we have frequency control. The biggest complaint I heard from people racing in St. Charles is the lack of frequency control. We are very strict about frequency control and harsh on people who turn on a radio when they don't have permission to do so... this is important if you don't want your car destroyed.
We start racing at 11am in the summer (track opens for practice around 9am) and are usually done around 4pm or so, but it depends on the turnout.. it can go later if we have a lot of guys, but we'll make sure that it never goes much later, even if that means running 2 qualifiers and the main instead of the normal 3 quals and the main, but then we'd let people who can stick around run an extra race or something. Also, we run double 5-minute A-mains for the electric guys, a single 10 minute main for the 'B' and lower nitro mains, and a single 15 minute A-main for nitro touring (or any nitro class that has more than one heat), so you get a lot of racing for your time at the track.
We don't have a 'newbie' class per se, but we do get a really good turn out for nitro touring cars (often about 30 guys), so we have enough people to separate out the old timers from the new guys. Our 'C' or 'D' main will have beginners in it, so you won't feel out of place, and if you can win our A-main you're pretty darn good.
Now then, if you want to race during the winter around here, it's pretty much electric unless you are willing to choke on the nitro fumes at Leisure Hours and run indoor off road.
So, short of the indoor off road track, you pretty much just need to decide if you want to race during the week or on the weekend. If you want to race during the week, get yourself a micro car (HPI Micro RS4 or M18) and you can run in Tinley on Wednesdays or HTOP on Thursdays (or both). I'm biased towards Tinley of course, but I'm sure HTOP puts on a good show too. Neither of these tracks is large enough to accommodate anything larger than a micro car.
If you want to run on the weekends, then you need to get a bigger car, either 1/12th scale pan car or 1/10th scale touring car, and you can race at AJ's in DeKalb, or RSJ in Libertyville.. both are good tracks. I run at AJ's where it is a little bigger and a couple of my friends race there. Plus, I prefer 1/12th scale, and I like the 1/12th scale guys at AJ's. You 'could' run a micro at AJ's or RSJ, but only if you got at least 2 other guys who wanted to do it also (3 cars of one kind to form a class is usually the rule), but as Frank put it after trying his Micro at AJ's: "it's like watching paint dry". The cars are just too small and too slow for a track that size, even though they are almost too big and WICKED fast on a track the size of the Tinley or HTOP micro tracks.
About the only car you could race year round would be an electric touring car, but honestly, it makes a lot more sense to me to run the more popular nitro touring car during the summer, and then switch to electric for the winter, and that electric car might as well be a 1/12th pan car, as they are much less expensive to purchase and maintain and are just as fast.
Let me know if this helps or if I have just confused you further.
wrxdan
12-10-2003, 10:20 AM
I wish HT St. charles ran better races. I live less then 10 minutes from that place. I raced there a few times. It was mostly monster trucks. TC turn out was low, which was good because the track is soo small. You guys think HTOP is small, HTSC is about half the size of HTOP.
I think I heard HTSC races in the front parking lot now? So maybe it's better??
I think that is the only track were some kid ran down my NTC3 with his TMAXX and crushed me on purpose. It's a long story.
HTSC is a fun place, but not a place to race. It's more bashing than anything. Maybe this will change for next year?
Hanibel
12-10-2003, 10:48 AM
When it comes to choosing electric vs. nitro there are many factors. If you want to talk about summer vs. winter and cost then here is a point.
Nitro and electric require mostly different gear for racing. Except for the radio system most other stuff does not cross over
So it would require two complete racing setups.
So for your money it would be cheaper to buy one electric 10th scale TC and race it both summer and winter. The only gear that may change would be your tires. And you wear out tires regardless of which type of racing you choose.
Now of course this comes from an electric guy, so you have to tak it with a grain of salt.
We need all the help we can get to get more lectric guys out racing at Tinley next summer
thunderbt3
12-10-2003, 11:24 AM
hehe, i hear ya wrx, it was probably one of those kids from timbers rc club, thier parents are rich and buy thier kids everything, i dont see them there much anymore. anyways, at my first race there, i was driving my little bro's rc10gt in rookie class with a kid with a tmaxx. All he kept doing was trying to run me over, he did once but did nothing cuz he spun me out and he just ramped me and got on 2 wheels. so since i knew what he was about (bashing me and stuff) i let him take the lead off the start then i just came up behind him and gave him a hard smack in the back and then a little while later u hear this awful noise coming from his truck and i guess i banged his truck hard enough that i shifted the engine over a little bit and stripped the spur gear :p, so the third and final heat i let him take me off the line cuz i knew if i got in front of him first, all he would wanna do was bash me and i knew that my gt would take him out no problem on the straightaway after the first lap so i waited and i blew him away on the straight, then the dude that fixed the spur gear forgot to put locktite on the screws and the engine came loose and i won :D. im not a basher or anything, im just looking for good clean racing. Even the grow guys there race dirty, theyre not that nice off track too. They're too concerned about racing and beating kids (HA). Like after i was done with my first race, went up to some guy asking what kind of car he was running cuz i popped a rear toe link on the ntc3 and lost the race to him. he just looked at me and turned back to his "pit" which was sitting in his truck until his next heat. I went over there and looked at it and it was a 4tec :p it could keep up with me/ catch up to me in the straight but the car was attracted to ever corner like a magnet hehe. Do alot of people that run nitro over the summer run ntc3's? id wanna see if i could learn more about setting a car up and how to use those setup boards, ill snap a couple of pics of my riced out body, it used to be the sweetest looking thing ever, untill i decided to race it at st. charles
btw, im asian too so im aloud to use "riced out, rice burner, rice rocket" its all coo hehe
most of u guys dont live too far from me, IM me sometime, thunderbt3 on AIM
We definitely have a more 'serious' following than St. Charles, and our good drivers will give you the shirt off their backs if it would help you out.. many of them will also yell at you if you get in their way during a race, but they quickly get over it, plus, with a big enough turn out (like we get in Tinley), you won't be racing against them anyways.
The popular nitro touring cars at our track are the NTC3, the Serpent cars, and probably the HPI R40 next year. All are fine and will get the job done. The NTC3 probably has the best part support around here and at our track (which is nice), but all three are fine. If you got a Koyosho or a Mugen, you'll probably have trouble keeping the car running due to lack of parts.
Rookie Solara
12-10-2003, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Walt
We don't have a 'newbie' class per se, but we do get a really good turn out for nitro touring cars (often about 30 guys), so we have enough people to separate out the old timers from the new guys. Our 'C' or 'D' main will have beginners in it, so you won't feel out of place, and if you can win our A-main you're pretty darn good.
That is not true...........Brian from www.chicagorc.com and I are usually the top qualifiers in the newbie class.........since we rarely show up to the race, and even if we are racing, we were rarely finish the race..........so I think our class is considered "newbie"...LOL
Walt....hows your look on Sunday...? Mine is like 70/30 now since I will have to paint the wall on SAT.
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Walt....hows your look on Sunday...? Mine is like 70/30 now since I will have to paint the wall on SAT.
It's looking pretty good for me this Sunday. I hope I'll see you there.
Homer Allman
12-10-2003, 01:19 PM
I would like to invite your track to join the RCN. Check out the details at www.radiocontrollednation.org
warpainter
12-10-2003, 02:53 PM
ok no more excuses rookie ive done some math and ive re calculated your chances i figure your chances are a houndred percent being that you can paint that wall any day i hope we start gettin more 12th guys or im going to have to go and race tc again:D
T-Racer
12-10-2003, 03:56 PM
Take your itsy tiny poka dot skirt off rookie lol and come play with the big dogs and make sure you bring your race face. Because these guys in 1/12 scale are brutal. i no your tufff when you take off that skirt
See Ya on Sunday
T racer
pev942
12-10-2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by T-Racer
Take your itsy tiny poka dot skirt off rookie lol and come play with the big dogs and make sure you bring your race face. Because these guys in 1/12 scale are brutal. i no your tufff when you take off that skirt
See Ya on Sunday
T racer
tony sorry i couldnt make it tonight just wondering if there is gonna be racing next week wednesday
T-Racer
12-11-2003, 01:19 AM
yes one more week then a break for the holidays
T-Racer
12-11-2003, 01:20 AM
SANTA WIL BE THERE FOR YOU JJ NEXT WEEK
Rookie Solara
12-11-2003, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by warpainter
ok no more excuses rookie ive done some math and ive re calculated your chances i figure your chances are a houndred percent being that you can paint that wall any day i hope we start gettin more 12th guys or im going to have to go and race tc again:D
Ok....since the MASTET Warpainter called my name out, I better get my ass off the house and get some 12th scale action....if not, BEER on me next time...
I really want to check out your Reflex........not going to buy one but just love the LOW-PRO design.
For all 12th scale ppl............I've seen those who actually RACE their 12th scale professionally (like those on the magazine)...they have all those tinny little Ni-Cd cells (5 cells 6v) for their receiver hooked up, so the radio gears does not have to draw the power from the 4 cells 3300..........what SIZE are those batteries...? Any PROS and CONS...? (I know, for me, that really doesn't matter, but I just want to know why they do that...)
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Ok....since the MASTET Warpainter called my name out, I better get my ass off the house and get some 12th scale action....if not, BEER on me next time...
I really want to check out your Reflex........not going to buy one but just love the LOW-PRO design.
For all 12th scale ppl............I've seen those who actually RACE their 12th scale professionally (like those on the magazine)...they have all those tinny little Ni-Cd cells (5 cells 6v) for their receiver hooked up, so the radio gears does not have to draw the power from the 4 cells 3300..........what SIZE are those batteries...? Any PROS and CONS...? (I know, for me, that really doesn't matter, but I just want to know why they do that...)
I don't see any reason to go with the extra batteries (receiver battery pack) unless battery power is an issue. We have 1000+ mAh's left in our packs after our races, so I don't see any point to running the receiver pack. If we were running 8 minute modified, and therefore pulling every last bit of 'juice' out of our batteries, then I could see carrying around the receiver pack (especially if we had to add weight to get up to minimum weight anyways... add lead or add batteries.. might as well add batteries).
The only other issue I see is that with the little receiver pack you can have higher voltage to the steering servo, but I think that the speed of these servos at 4.8 volts is faster than we need it to be anyways (faster than I can rotate my wrist), so that's not really an issue.
As for the size of those batteries, I saw them on Espo's car at AJ's the week before Cleveland, and they looked like 1/3rd AAA's or something like that (diameter of a AAA cell, but 1/3rd the length), but that' just a guess.
Rookie Solara
12-11-2003, 03:28 PM
Agreed.........I just want to know what are those batteries called? And just in case we are going for 8 minutes 19T, that will be the option......
Rookie Solara
12-11-2003, 05:40 PM
A little off topic here.............this Chicago Thread, we have 2449 replies(after this one, it will be 2450) and 98 pages....I think we should all quit our job now and push this post pass 3000 replies and 100 pages..........(jk)
Both NC tracks threads are having the most viewed# and replies # as well as pages........we are 3rd.
OK, everyone, get back to work............
PS...let see who will get the 100 page post first.....
T-Racer
12-11-2003, 07:21 PM
If you would be less on posting you could have had that wall painted. Do all your honey dues and you will be al right to race
DO THE MATH
T-Racer
xsrwx
12-11-2003, 10:02 PM
On the 1/12 races at TP Bowl, are the motors restricted to 19t to make it a more even playing field? I thought I seen a post on this but my search found nothing...
Rookie Solara
12-11-2003, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by xsrwx
On the 1/12 races at TP Bowl, are the motors restricted to 19t to make it a more even playing field? I thought I seen a post on this but my search found nothing...
I think you were mistake the track at AJ....Tinley park cannot race 1/12th there, they race 1/18th micro in winter only...and summer time, they race outdoor nitro....running 12th scale outdoor is possible, but not the best thing to do.
AJ has 2 classes of 12th scale.....First the 19T 12th scale...they didn't called it out 19T motor but all of us agreed to use 19T motor, beside, what is the fun to be the only 1 running the MOD motor or something else when everyone else are running the 19T motor...and like you said, since we called it out 19T, so no one will be extremely faster then the other (at least not like 1-2 second faster).....but if you are not a as good drivers (like me) compare to the ppl like warpainter, Walt or Frank.....they will lap you very easily, but not becase their motor/batteries are faster/better, it is because I am not as good a driver as they are....
Then the other class, the money dumper.....12th scale MOD...for those really good in controling car and have lots of experience on tunning MOTOR and Batteries....they run 8 minutes qaulifiers and mains, super fast but it is quite expensive becasue they are running MOD motor with the tops chassis......those required a lot of tunning and it is a game of money and skills both.
Not sure you are just starting or you are a pro already.....but I found the 12th 19T is not as easy as I thought......not much tunning or money spend on the car, but required a lot of driving skill (in order to catch those fast guy...) but the overall cost are very acceptable.
Rookie Solara
12-11-2003, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by xsrwx
On the 1/12 races at TP Bowl, are the motors restricted to 19t to make it a more even playing field? I thought I seen a post on this but my search found nothing...
I think you were mistake the track at AJ....Tinley park cannot race 1/12th there, they race 1/18th micro in winter only...and summer time, they race outdoor nitro....running 12th scale outdoor is possible, but not the best thing to do.
AJ has 2 classes of 12th scale.....First the 19T 12th scale...they didn't called it out 19T motor but all of us agreed to use 19T motor, beside, what is the fun to be the only 1 running the MOD motor or something else when everyone else are running the 19T motor...and like you said, since we called it out 19T, so no one will be extremely faster then the other (at least not like 1-2 second faster).....but if you are not a as good drivers (like me) compare to the ppl like warpainter, Walt or Frank.....they will lap you very easily, but not becase their motor/batteries are faster/better, it is because I am not as good a driver as they are....
Then the other class, the money dumper.....12th scale MOD...for those really good in controling car and have lots of experience on tunning MOTOR and Batteries....they run 8 minutes qaulifiers and mains, super fast but it is quite expensive becasue they are running MOD motor with the tops chassis......those required a lot of tunning and it is a game of money and skills both.
Not sure you are just starting or you are a pro already.....but I found the 12th 19T is not as easy as I thought......not much tunning or money spend on the car, but required a lot of driving skill (in order to catch those fast guy...) but the overall cost are very acceptable.
Rookie Solara
12-11-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by xsrwx
On the 1/12 races at TP Bowl, are the motors restricted to 19t to make it a more even playing field? I thought I seen a post on this but my search found nothing...
I think you were mistake the track at AJ....Tinley park cannot race 1/12th there, they race 1/18th micro in winter only...and summer time, they race outdoor nitro....running 12th scale outdoor is possible, but not the best thing to do.
AJ has 2 classes of 12th scale.....First the 19T 12th scale...they didn't called it out 19T motor but all of us agreed to use 19T motor, beside, what is the fun to be the only 1 running the MOD motor or something else when everyone else are running the 19T motor...and like you said, since we called it out 19T, so no one will be extremely faster then the other (at least not like 1-2 second faster).....but if you are not a as good drivers (like me) compare to the ppl like warpainter, Walt or Frank.....they will lap you very easily, but not becase their motor/batteries are faster/better, it is because I am not as good a driver as they are....
Then the other class, the money dumper.....12th scale MOD...for those really good in controling car and have lots of experience on tunning MOTOR and Batteries....they run 8 minutes qaulifiers and mains, super fast but it is quite expensive becasue they are running MOD motor with the tops chassis......those required a lot of tunning and it is a game of money and skills both.
Not sure you are just starting or you are a pro already.....but I found the 12th 19T is not as easy as I thought......not much tunning or money spend on the car, but required a lot of driving skill (in order to catch those fast guy...) but the overall cost are very acceptable.
Rookie Solara
12-12-2003, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by xsrwx
On the 1/12 races at TP Bowl, are the motors restricted to 19t to make it a more even playing field? I thought I seen a post on this but my search found nothing...
I think you were mistake the track at AJ....Tinley park cannot race 1/12th there, they race 1/18th micro in winter only...and summer time, they race outdoor nitro....running 12th scale outdoor is possible, but not the best thing to do.
AJ has 2 classes of 12th scale.....First the 19T 12th scale...they didn't called it out 19T motor but all of us agreed to use 19T motor, beside, what is the fun to be the only 1 running the MOD motor or something else when everyone else are running the 19T motor...and like you said, since we called it out 19T, so no one will be extremely faster then the other (at least not like 1-2 second faster).....but if you are not a as good drivers (like me) compare to the ppl like warpainter, Walt or Frank.....they will lap you very easily, but not becase their motor/batteries are faster/better, it is because I am not as good a driver as they are....
Then the other class, the money dumper.....12th scale MOD...for those really good in controling car and have lots of experience on tunning MOTOR and Batteries....they run 8 minutes qaulifiers and mains, super fast but it is quite expensive becasue they are running MOD motor with the tops chassis......those required a lot of tunning and it is a game of money and skills both.
Not sure you are just starting or you are a pro already.....but I found the 12th 19T is not as easy as I thought......not much tunning or money spend on the car, but required a lot of driving skill (in order to catch those fast guy...) but the overall cost are very acceptable.
Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Agreed.........I just want to know what are those batteries called? And just in case we are going for 8 minutes 19T, that will be the option......
Here's an on-line chart of all the different battery sizes available... I still think that those little batteries they are using are 1/3AAA's, if I had to guess. http://www.powerstream.com/Size_SLA.htm
xsrwx
12-12-2003, 09:15 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rookie Solara
[B]I think you were mistake the track at AJ....Tinley park cannot race 1/12th there, they race 1/18th micro in winter only...and summer time, they race outdoor nitro....running 12th scale outdoor is possible, but not the best thing to do.
Rookie, That was a typo...I meant the 1/18th scale racing at TP Bowl. I must admit I am a total noobie to the RC scene so please be patient while I ask my silly questions.
Thanks..:D :D
Originally posted by xsrwx
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rookie Solara
[B]I think you were mistake the track at AJ....Tinley park cannot race 1/12th there, they race 1/18th micro in winter only...and summer time, they race outdoor nitro....running 12th scale outdoor is possible, but not the best thing to do.
Rookie, That was a typo...I meant the 1/18th scale racing at TP Bowl. I must admit I am a total noobie to the RC scene so please be patient while I ask my silly questions.
Thanks..:D :D
Most of the guys racing 1/18th scale at TP are using the 'big block' motor (Graupner Speed 300). It's a good motor with enough power for this size track, and the motors are dirt cheap.
I have also run the Orion Elite Coreless modified motor in my micro, and I actually like that motor better, but it is about 4 times as expensive, so I'm sticking to the Graupner Speed 300. Just don't be fooled by the 'special' big block motors labeled for the Micro RS4... they are just Graupner Speed 300 motors with a new label, and twice the price. You may have to talk to the RC Airplace guys at your local hobby shop to get the Graupner Speed 300, and it should be just a tad over $10 (and will last a pretty darn long time)
T-Racer
12-12-2003, 09:31 AM
Howard
are you on drugs or what with all the dumb post. no wonder you wife will not let you out of the house. she afried you might hurt yourself.
T-Racer
Originally posted by T-Racer
If you would be less on posting you could have had that wall painted. Do all your honey dues and you will be al right to race
DO THE MATH
T-Racer
Funny... I always thought they were "honey do's", as in, you have to 'do' this and that, not "honey dues", as in you have to pay your 'dues' before you can do something... I guess you learn something new every day...
Tony: I forgot to take the Micro results off the PC on Tuesday... I will try again to remember next Tuesday, but it might be a good idea for you to just spend the $25 or so (32 meg at Best Buy for $25, for example) and get one of those USB flash drives so you can pull the results off each week and e-mail them to me. I am really pressed for time on Tuesday nights, so it's going to be difficult for me to always be able to get the results, plus, I spend time trying to find the results where you would know exactly where they are.
Those USB memory sticks come in handy all the time anyways.
Rookie Solara
12-12-2003, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by T-Racer
Howard
are you on drugs or what with all the dumb post. no wonder you wife will not let you out of the house. she afried you might hurt yourself.
T-Racer
Well, try to use 56K at home, and try to tell them to work, then you know how I feel....
Also, I told you I have to push the post to page 100, let see who will get the page 100 #1 post....maybe today, maybe tomorrow.
xsrwx........when you have any 12 or 18 or 1/10 nitro question, just ask here, someone will be more then happy to answer, just don't ask something like RC submarine or RC bicycle...can't afford those fancy RC toys from Radio shack...:D
warpainter
12-12-2003, 11:47 AM
the only honey dews i know of are mellons well i think they are
T-Racer
12-12-2003, 12:09 PM
honey dews honey dews honey dews
thunderbt3
12-12-2003, 12:53 PM
:( rookie is rippin on my ntc3 rtr :p u gotta start somewhere
does anyone know when hop up parts are coming out for the m18
im really intrested in getting one and race it, ill probalby be running it mostly up and down my hall in my dorm.
or maybe i should wait for the m18 rtr (there ya go rookie haha)
thunderbt3
12-12-2003, 12:56 PM
what do u guys think is the cost of running 1/18? like for everything (car, electronics, support equipt)? I'm all nitro, never touched anything with the electrics so ill need chargers and motors and all that good stuff.
Originally posted by thunderbt3
what do u guys think is the cost of running 1/18? like for everything (car, electronics, support equipt)? I'm all nitro, never touched anything with the electrics so ill need chargers and motors and all that good stuff.
I've tallied up these costs before for my brother and for a friend, so here's what I came up with (I assume you have a radio):
car (micro RS4): $80
ESC (SPY): $60
steering servo (HS81): $18
ARM chassis: $13
big block motor: $15
Motor plate: $8
Pinions (3): $12
Battery packs (3): $65
tires: $14 (will last for several weeks)
charger: at least $50, as much as $190
So, about $335 if you get a cheap charger (potentially the biggest ticket item). And eventually you'll need a ball front diff, but the stock HPI front diff lasted me for at least a dozen race days, so you don't necessariliy need it right away.
By comparison, you could get into 1/12th scale for:
car: $140
ESC (quantum sport): $80
steering servo: $24
motor: $30
Pinions: $20
battery packs (3): $100
tires: $35
charger: $50-$185
About $480 with a cheap charger.
Rookie Solara
12-12-2003, 03:42 PM
Thunder....
I saw this on TV...just for you.....
M18 Mastercard Commercial....
car (M18): $100
ESC (SPY): $60
steering servo (HS81MG): $20
regular micro motor: $15
Battery packs (3): $30
tires: $20 (will last for several weeks)
charger: at least $50, as much as $190
............learned NOT to buy a RTR RC car from Radio Shack....
.................... PRICELESS
T-Racer
12-12-2003, 11:58 PM
well howard did you paint
T-Racer
12-12-2003, 11:59 PM
I saw this on TV...just for you.....
M18 Mastercard Commercial....
car (M18): $100
ESC (SPY): $60
steering servo (HS81MG): $20
regular micro motor: $15
Battery packs (3): $30
tires: $20 (will last for several weeks)
charger: at least $50, as much as $190
............learned NOT to buy a RTR RC car from Radio Shack....
.................... PRICELESS
thunderbt3
12-13-2003, 02:35 AM
blah blah blah, i once did have an Xmod from radioshack, returned it the next day cuz it was so slow...........ill be howard #2 or howard's mini me and u guys can all make fun of my ntc3 rtr all you want (from radio shack i might add) hahaha
im leaning towards micro more than 1/12 and ill probably go for a more high end charger just incase if i ever get into electric touring and ill probably be using it to charge/cycle my rx/tx batt's
do u guys know if they make a glow plug adapter for chargers? maybe i could cycle the batt in my glow ignitor and make it perform better, who knows?
ragin' azn
warpainter
12-13-2003, 12:34 PM
micros are nice but 12th is better. with 12sacle you have real tracks to race on and rules to follow unlike micros were you have big blocks racing against stock motors and some guys running 5 cells and some running 7 cells. stock cars racing against full blown race cars, now dont get me wrong i like racing micros but to me its more like a free for all, now i havn't been too htop so i cant speak for there program, but tinley is more like a zoo a smokey zoo that is,but they are both cheap to run in comparison to 10 scale sedans
Rookie Solara
12-14-2003, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by warpainter
micros are nice but 12th is better. with 12sacle you have real tracks to race on and rules to follow unlike micros were you have big blocks racing against stock motors and some guys running 5 cells and some running 7 cells. stock cars racing against full blown race cars, now dont get me wrong i like racing micros but to me its more like a free for all, now i havn't been too htop so i cant speak for there program, but tinley is more like a zoo a smokey zoo that is,but they are both cheap to run in comparison to 10 scale sedans
Ha ha, fixed the wall........and I need a WALL-painter to Paint the wall..........
I just granted my permit for tomorrow race.....YAHOOOO....so see you guys tomorrow...
Well said Tim...........Micro is very much like BB, 6 cells and wide chassis........if you are running stock motor and 5 cells, you are not going to far....12th scale, you will starting with 19T motor, 12th scale car like RC12L3 or SB12 and 3300 cells.........even my 10 years old Novak ESC still does the job....so it is very much CONTROLLED more then Micro or Touring cars....
Thunder....start with Micro, then you can consider 12th scale or TC for your next option....but in summer, NITRO TOURING all the way, no other choice.
Tinley Park is a better TRACK to go to race mico, if you can handle the drive from Carol Stream to Tinley.....but there are no pressure over there cause there are always a newbie class there, but there are also some fast guy for you to challenge...
HTOP should be closer, but more like a beginner class cause the track is still new, they need more time to experience things....track is very similar to TP and they have lap counting system as well...(TP use the latest AMB system which is the best system that every major RC race use in the world)
Anyhow, get your ass out sometime and at least check out those track.....you won't race unless you actually see the action, then you will start racing....
Rookie Solara
12-14-2003, 01:33 AM
Last post of PAGE 99.......and guess what I will do next...?
thunderbt3
12-14-2003, 03:46 AM
yea, i agree, summer = nitro touring all the way..........with my NTC3 RTR i will dominate all.......not really
haha
im seriously considering micro, the m18 looks really attractive, like my ntc3's mini me
thunderbt3
12-14-2003, 03:49 AM
uh oh, i just got the 100th page, whats gonna happen to me now? am i gonna get a curse put on me from howard and have problems with my ntc3 rtr forever? or is it cause its an RTR? hahaha jk, ive never had problems with my rtr
Rookie Solara
12-14-2003, 07:26 AM
Yupe.....thats why I didn't post on the 100th right after I posted the last one on 99th..........
Now, you just offered yourself to be marshell at TP raceway all season long for year 2004....
Everybody, please say THANK YOU for Thunderbt3 for his offering...YEAH....yeah yeah...
Sundog1
12-14-2003, 01:51 PM
Welcome to the 100th page of the forum otherwise known as "When will Howard be able to go racing?!"
thunderbt3
12-14-2003, 03:40 PM
haha, i dont mind marshaling people help me out, i help them out, its all good, just as long as i get a chair to sit in
thunderbt3
12-14-2003, 03:47 PM
whats up guys, howard is convincing me to buy a setup board and i was wondering whats the diffrence between the hudy board and the integy one, i know the integy one is made of metal and the hudy one is made of plexiglass, other than that, they look almost identical
Rookie Solara
12-14-2003, 10:11 PM
Hudy board = best quality, and the name....
Integy = best bang of the bucks....made in alumnium.
I picked the Integy one is because.....cheaper, like $20, and HUDY is made of high quality of plastic, however, CLEAR plastic with white numbering.....clear and white lettering is not the best combination, and if you doing that under the sun (when we race outdoor from May to September)....you might have the hard time reading.
Integy, purple and white lettering....I found it easier to read.
Beside, you buy whatever HOWARD brought, it won't get you any wrong.....it will just make you looks better. And at least I will let you hang around me while we race.
Rookie Solara
12-14-2003, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Sundog1
Welcome to the 100th page of the forum otherwise known as "When will Howard be able to go racing?!"
Well, today is great day for me....not that I dropped the transponder 2 times in 2 qualfies (I have no idea how could that happen 2 times) and broke the front end at the main..........at least, I have my chance to race probably the LAST race of the year...
And of course, WarPainter, T-racer and Franks been helping me to enjoy the race as much as possible....but WALT, where the heck were you today...? NO SHOW...? Are you wearing my SKIRT this time...? Or enjoying the "Honey Dews" or paying the "honey do's" or still paying the "honey DUES"....?
I hope I can still make it 1 more time before the baby is here....one more time.
Sorry guys... couldn't make it. My grandmother's brother died (one of my great uncles), so I had to do the 'wake/funeral' thing. He was fighting cancer, so this was somewhat expected. I should be at AJ's next week though (and I might do some micro racing this week to make up for missing yesterday... ). I had some time yesterday after I got back home, so I got my micro all put back together and ready to go.
So, who won yesterday?
Rookie Solara
12-15-2003, 09:46 AM
I will post pictures of yesterday at AJ.....the usual......FRANK, but it was a great race.
TIM, Frank and Kasper (Tim, I forgot to asked your friend his first name......would you please do the input?) Kasper (with the switchblade, not Reflex) did almost 9.9 the whole day and took all 3Q's TQ and pole.........Tim/Frank are 2nd, and me, 3rd and 4th and DNF........so, we think Kasper will take the main as well.
Main............7 cars, a little crowded.......me, got hit by someone or I hit someone, the transponder flew off and for me the whole race is meanlingless, so I tried to pull aside and let ppl pass.....Frank/Tim and Kasper are all in the same pace.........untill KASPER got something jammed on his front wheel (I saw him showing TIM afterward, I have to run so cannot stick around to do the report...).........so the whole race are TIM/FRANK.....then my car was out because another big hit with other car, this time, the whole front end was snapped.....auch....
Torry and I are trying to get into the 3rd but we both got too excited and both broke, with 3 cars out of 7 dropped out, believe it or not, GENO took the 3rd and Jerry 4th.....Geno was the older guy with the old Futaba radio................I think FRANK took the 1st, Tim is right behind............I think. Tim/Frank can varify that.
JJ and his GF were there yesterday to say Hello..............
T-racer........one heck of a race with him and Rick Davitto, I never seen him drive that good before, untill RICK dropped out (broken servo horn) and T-racer actually had a chance to win the B-main 19T TC..........but I think he hit the board 1 time and the marshell kinda in the middle or something and caused him a position......he ended in 2nd, still good driving for T-racer.
If I can manage to get the MICRO ready, I will come up this Wednesday too...
Sorry about your uncle.........will see you next week (ha ha, I need new HONEY DO'S ideas.....)
warpainter
12-15-2003, 10:32 AM
howard just a note im am kasper the guy you are refering to is ed ed defintly had the class beat sunday, myself couldnt get the car the way i liked it untill the main but i started acting like a baboon with personal issues, anyways probably race 12th one more time then go back to tc walt sorry to here about the bad news and o ya howard i think you left your skirt at the track hehe.
warpainter
12-15-2003, 10:36 AM
and also nice race t racer glad to see your driving improving and congrats to frank on his win
Rookie Solara
12-15-2003, 12:54 PM
Tim....thanks for the clarification, I knew I miss something....yes, ED did clean up the 12th scale yesterday.......
Tim....make sure you clean my skirt and bring it back after you finsihed playing with it....
mab_man20
12-15-2003, 04:56 PM
Quick question guys....
Can you use a XXL futaba receiver with a JR radio?
I believe you can because the JR plugs fit the futaba plugs and im under the impression that the servo plug shape is the only difference.
Rookie Solara
12-15-2003, 09:17 PM
If you are asking will the Futaba receiver work with JR radio....yes, of course, as long as they are the same frequency (like 27, 72, 75...etc)
If you are asking will JR plug fit in a Futaba recevier...that I don't know, all I know is Futaba and KO are exactly the same....the wiring of Airtronic is the same as Futaba but the plug is not the same, Airtronic plug will fit in Futaba receiver but NOT the other way around.....JR, I don't have the answer.
Rookie Solara
12-15-2003, 09:22 PM
I have some pictures of the yesterday race at AJ Raceway...
The 12th scale Winner yesterday.......Frank.
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20001.jpg
The winning 12th scale.......Trinity Switchblade 12 "Spegetti edition"....
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20004.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20006.jpg
The 1st runner up of B-main 19T Touring......T-racer (Tony G)
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20002.jpg
The "G-Mobile"......
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20003.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20005.jpg
Rookie Solara
12-15-2003, 09:29 PM
Tim "WarPainter" Kasper (2nd in the main) and the TQ - Ed.....(DNF in the main but all 1st place in all 3 qualfiers)
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20012.jpg
The latest Trinity winning ride....Trintiy Reflex by Warpainter.
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20010.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20011.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20016.jpg
The TQ ride by ED.....Trinity Switchblade 12 "Spegetti Edition"...
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20013.jpg
TEAM WARPAINTER.........some custom paint body.
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20014.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20015.jpg
Rookie Solara
12-15-2003, 09:30 PM
Somehow, I managed to spot the best looking car and the most organized pit at the track......hmmm, what a good looking car, who will that be...?
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20007.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20008.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/Picture%20009.jpg
pev942
12-15-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by warpainter
micros are nice but 12th is better. with 12sacle you have real tracks to race on and rules to follow unlike micros were you have big blocks racing against stock motors and some guys running 5 cells and some running 7 cells. stock cars racing against full blown race cars, now dont get me wrong i like racing micros but to me its more like a free for all, now i havn't been too htop so i cant speak for there program, but tinley is more like a zoo a smokey zoo that is,but they are both cheap to run in comparison to 10 scale sedans
well tony is pretty much the only one who smokes in there anymore and is six cells only plus 1/12 scales have to be run special ozite carpet and cant run half the year and are no fun for goofing around in your living room or drive way plus 1/12 scales are too fragile i watched ed get hit once and game over and it happened to you too
thunderbt3
12-16-2003, 12:10 AM
nice ride howard, what happened to the driver side headlights???
hehe, nice job on the paint. what paint did u use to get the blue/ purple color change, it looks bad ass, i wish i could have HK PAINTING SKILLZ along with HK DRIVING SKILLZ hehe. is that even a alfa romeo body, if not, whats with the sticker? where did ya get the OZ racing and michilan stickers? hmm.....stickers may give ya more hp on a ricer but i dont think its gonna help ya with rc. hahaha
wrxdan
12-16-2003, 12:48 AM
You know it's Howard's pit table when there is a cleaning brush right next to the car:)
T-Racer
12-16-2003, 11:13 AM
Howard great Job on Pics
Frank finely gets is just do. A pic and 1st place acknowledgement.
Great Job Frank On Sunday racing.
To set the record strieght there is no smoking inside track area at Chicagoland RC Raceway Micro (Tinley Park Bowl) on Wednesday Night.
On January 7, 2004 Chicagoland micro racing will start a
3 month series. There will be three Classes -Stock- Open and
Mini T.
Look on web site next week for details and RULES on each Class.
T-Racer
warpainter
12-16-2003, 11:31 AM
perv942 lets see 12 scale moving 4 times as fast as micros and i dont care if micros race on a small track, as far as fragile ya right i raced my 12th all last season never broke one part nor did ed and anyways at them speeds and those tubes parts could break also get your facts strait ed did not break his car when frank and ed got together eds rear tire chunked bad, now if your a good racer you will know that makes a car hard to drive and besides i did not say anything negetive about micros there fun but thats pretty much it, theres not that big of a turn out for them, not that theres benn a big turn out for 12th. i would much rather race sedans anyways the only reason i even came back to racin 12 is because of frank, walt, and howard otherwise 10th scale sedans is the class to be in , and if you dont believe me start checkin out other tracks and see what there runnin.and next time dont come out for one race and think you have it all figured out
mab_man20
12-16-2003, 12:07 PM
Thanks rookie, you confirmed what i thought.
Out of curiousity how many TC usually show up? and is it only 19T spec?
AKA_GEN_VOODOO
12-16-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by thunderbt3
nice ride howard, what happened to the driver side headlights???
hehe, nice job on the paint. what paint did u use to get the blue/ purple color change, it looks bad ass, i wish i could have HK PAINTING SKILLZ along with HK DRIVING SKILLZ hehe. is that even a alfa romeo body, if not, whats with the sticker? where did ya get the OZ racing and michilan stickers? hmm.....stickers may give ya more hp on a ricer but i dont think its gonna help ya with rc. hahaha Im not sure of the body you speak of, but if its the one i think it is i painted that and sold it to howard. the paint was rc car finnish (acrylic) it was peal blue smoked into pearl purple with a chrome backer, also flour org and yellow. thanks for the comp but im sure it looks better in the pic ,they allways do.