Chicago Racing (track info inside)

[Walt]

Did anyone else notice that Franks 1/12th scale car has two antennas? Is this your latest speed secret Frank?

Now I really hate it that I missed Sunday's race, with pictures posted and Ed racing with the 1/12th guys. I still hope that Espo, Aaron and some other 'fast' guys start to join us on Sundays in the 1/12th class.

[thunderbt3]

man, i thought my skyline for my ntc3 looked really nice with just blue streak, i think ill use that blue pearl next time to get that sparkle in it

how would u guys think this would look: blue pearl then backed with blue streak then backed with silver? is that getting too much?

[AKA_GEN_VOODOO]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
man, i thought my skyline for my ntc3 looked really nice with just blue streak, i think ill use that blue pearl next time to get that sparkle in it

how would u guys think this would look: blue pearl then backed with blue streak then backed with silver? is that getting too much? the blue streak will make the pearl to dark i used chrome not silver to back it and the blue and purple pearls were sprayed very light so the chrome would come through . if you realy want to know about paint tips ask tim (warpainter) he is the one who can help you. as far as the speed secrets the two ant is the key to the whole thing. the little one is a reciever from a gps it sends the track layout into the radio and i just act like im driving. its pretty cool tower sells it for 39.00 bucks

[Walt]

Originally posted by AKA_GEN_VOODOO
as far as the speed secrets the two ant is the key to the whole thing. the little one is a reciever from a gps it sends the track layout into the radio and i just act like im driving. its pretty cool tower sells it for 39.00 bucks

That explains why I saw your car racing around the track while you were busy trying to look up Howard's skirt.

That actually reminds me of something from long ago... it was the only race I've ever been too where Bud Bartos was racing. At one point during open practice he went up on the driver's stand with his radio and pretented to be driving one of the cars, and then he was showing off by standing on one foot, closing one (or both) eyes, switching hands, etc. It was actually pretty funny as a bunch of people fell for it and though he was really driving like that.

[Rookie Solara]

Thunderbt3...........yeah, I forgot to mention, that body was painted by Aka_Gen_Voodoo (Frank)......so better ask him about the paint job and body type.......I paid $20 for the whole thing and I think that 1 hell of a deal............beside, as most ppl know, if I have to paint my own body..........Naked women pictures on the body is a MUST.............and "Warpainter" promised me if I send him pictures and purchase the stickers, he can print me whole bunch of "Victoria Secret" race car stickers.........so I can finally complete my Team Victoria Secret race car...Tim, I will send you pictures soon.

To be honest, I found 12th scale are easy to drive and fast to race, yes, TC are the way to go, but they are not faster (actually, not even close).....but if ppl say 12th are easy to break, no way and no where near the TC.............I broke this front arm the first time and this is the only part that I broke since I got this car, and I broke this part is because I did hit other cars, curb and metal corner dots definitely more then 8 times HARD in the main....I am surprised that is the only part that I broke.........and that lower arm will cost me....$2.

About the OZ-racing and Michellin stickers.......yeah, they were my sponcer since 1985, they are pain in the butt.....always want me to put their stickers on the body..........it is not that easy to be one of the FASTEST 1/12th scale RICER in the world...(Please tell me you know I am kidding, right..?)

Franks' SB12 is not the only one with 2 antenna.........if you look at the picture closely, I have the same set up as well, only I didn't install the antenna and my main antenna is CARBON FIBER...talk about "BLING BLING"...(but the antenna mount is in place, the silver thing right next to the servo)....the reason I didn't put up my GPS antenna is because I forgot to subscribe the GPS navagating system.....or "On-Star" thing.....that explain why my car was hitting corner dots all the time and broke the front arm at the main............Tower sells that for $39.00 but need monthly payment for GPS for $949.99 a month and $6.99 per minute..........worst then phone sex. With the big Plasma Screen on my Futaba 3PK, I can managed to watch the BEARS kick Viking ass while I was racing and checking the status of Sadem on CNN......in fact, TIM actually caught me watching TV while racing, and told me to concentrate.....

http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ajraceway/gps.jpg

[thunderbt3]

come on howard, are a true ricer or not? its powered by honda, not powered by mugen :p , i've gone to some "street shows" around here which are basically people gathering up to street race and ive seen "powered by acura" stickers. can anyone tell me when acura started making engines?, all the engines ive seen in acuras have the big honda H on them

[thunderbt3]

heres a question for the painters, what effect does pearl paint have? doe it just make it sparkle? How about metallic paints?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
heres a question for the painters, what effect does pearl paint have? doe it just make it sparkle? How about metallic paints?

Here is the politically correct turn of using "Pearl" or "Metallic"....the right way to say is "BLING BLING..."

Yes, my body is colored by BLING BLING blue fade to BLING BLING purple....

[Walt]

Howard: you forgot to point out the little jar of K-Y Jelly behind your car... just in case.

And is that a custom, contour cut piece of foam your car is sitting on? Man, you've got too much time on your hands...

[AKA_GEN_VOODOO]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
heres a question for the painters, what effect does pearl paint have? doe it just make it sparkle? How about metallic paints? a metallic paint has metal flake in it or glitter (what ever they use now) a pearl paint will show some glitter but it will show more prismatic colors like a real pearl a metallic paint can be used as a primary color but a pearl will almost allways need a base coat the pearl when looked at in differnt light and angles you will see some hints of pink purp red green blue etc... i know the word i want to use but i cant spell it lol

[mab_man20]

I guess no one runs TC at AJ's...bummer.

:D

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by mab_man20
I guess no one runs TC at AJ's...bummer.

:D

What do you mean no one run TC......? Most ppl are running TC there...? Did you see Tony G's car on the pictures...?

They are all 6 cells 19T class or stock motor class......any tires that you want (I don't think there are ppl running rubber there...all foams).

I don't think there is a MOD class, car will be too fast and too tight to handle.....and there are plenty of racer that race National out there, and very much more the RSJ raceway......so if you worry about there are no challenge over there, you don't have to....cause if you can run with those fast guy in the A-main, you are ready for the national.

Mike...you need to come here and take a look, RSJ is good enough to practice, the real race is here at AJ.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Howard: you forgot to point out the little jar of K-Y Jelly behind your car... just in case.

And is that a custom, contour cut piece of foam your car is sitting on? Man, you've got too much time on your hands...

My K-Y Jelly...? Come on, you left that last time at AJ and I am being nice to save that for you.............man, you are sick.

Now, you know why I missed 3 weeks of racing at AJ, that custom SB12 foam car stand is not easy to cut....

[kakolitoy]

Anyone that have info. about,

sets of 1/2 inch deep Impact Sockets that sells for a great price.

A. Snap on

B. Mac

C. SK

PLs. Pm or post.

Thanks in advance, I would really appreciate it!!

Merry Xmass to all.

BTW: Ebay does not have much to offer!!

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Anyone that have info. about,

sets of 1/2 inch deep Impact Sockets that sells for a great price.

A. Snap on

B. Mac

C. SK

PLs. Pm or post.

Thanks in advance, I would really appreciate it!!

Merry Xmass to all.

BTW: Ebay does not have much to offer!!

I got a cheap set from Menards. They are no-namers (menards house brand), but seem to be tough enough. I have used them many times with no problems. They were really cheap if I remember correctly.

[Rookie Solara]

Dan: when are you going to take your TC3 back to the track?

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Dan: when are you going to take your TC3 back to the track?

When the grass is green again:) I'm working 2 jobs now so free time = 0. With my wife redecorating every room, and holiday bills, and wanting new gutters on the house next year. I took a second jobs to make this happen so we don't need to dip into savings.

My day:)

6 AM start day job
4:30 PM leave day job
6 PM start PT job
11 PM -2 AM leave PT job
6 AM go to day job

Fun times!

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan

11 PM -2 AM leave PT job
6 AM go to day job

Fun times!

Wow...your life is good, but I don't quite get that part...

Take you 3 hours to LEAVE PT job.....hmmm, let me guess, what kind of a PT job required 3 hours to leave.....

Are you trying to say you need to stop by some special places within this 3 hours bracket before you head home....?

Interesting....and what is your explaination...? (I am just pulling your leg....)

[Nexus]

RSJ is good enough to practice, the real race is here at AJ.


rookie....maybe you haven't checked out rsj/venture enough. there are actually just as many national level racers there....i know AJ's is frequented by Espo and aaron who are fast. but don't think the comp in TC at RSJ is less.....Brian Jucha (losi/trinity sponsored), Timmy Heiser (Associated/Reedy sponsored), Kevin Kane, Brad Johnson, ect. are plenty fast and all have competed nationally and won.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

espo and aaron are my homies lol. those two crack me up. both of them are starting to race offroad again on friday nights at liesure. i was just practicing with aaron last week, he had just picked up a bk2. i think he could drive an rc tricycle and be fast.

[mab_man20]

lol!


Rookie, i asked the question three times and didnt get a response so i figured id take a different approach and it worked.


Super stock at RSJ's is getting a little slow so after Novak Nexus, Eug and I will step it up to stock foam (where all the REALLY fast guys run). Maybe then we (or I) will come out one sunday to check things out. Once we move up to foam there will be more than enough fast guys to race against.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Nexus
rookie....maybe you haven't checked out rsj/venture enough. there are actually just as many national level racers there....i know AJ's is frequented by Espo and aaron who are fast. but don't think the comp in TC at RSJ is less.....Brian Jucha (losi/trinity sponsored), Timmy Heiser (Associated/Reedy sponsored), Kevin Kane, Brad Johnson, ect. are plenty fast and all have competed nationally and won.

Nope....I am definitely aware the racer at RSJ, I might not be there after they have a new owner, but been there a lot the last 3-4 years (well, nitro only..) and I am sure they are both equally challenge at both place, I was saying that to Mab_Man02 only...............just try to get him out to race with us at AJ (of course you too...)....without doing a little "Trash" talking, it is difficult to get mike to move to the other track....

I heard about those ppl are freq at RSJ and in no position for me to challenge them............elect. is definitely not my cup of tea. And of course, they are sponcered drivers, how can they be any slower then me....?

[Rookie Solara]

You see Neuxs, you are not in this forum LONG ENOUGH..........Mab-man02 and I (and others) somehow need to trash talk to each other more then 1 times in order for us to answer each other question..........

He asked about the turn out in TC, and I asked him to come out to AJ......and both of us need to throw in some trash talking before we answered each other question..........

THAT is the beauty of Internet forum.................

P.S....again, I will definitely get myself (may be with Walt) to stop by RSJ to try out the new track....but you have to understand, 1/12th is far different then TC, TC has full suspension, we have.....carbon fiber, the surface of the track makes the big differnet...

Now, what is the turn out of 12th scale....? Mod or 19T? or Stock? I assumed everyone in IL are running 4 cells only....and very much sure there are no rubber tires.

Mab-Man02.....what time you will be there tonight..?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by primuswoostinkinhoo
espo and aaron are my homies lol. those two crack me up. both of them are starting to race offroad again on friday nights at liesure. i was just practicing with aaron last week, he had just picked up a bk2. i think he could drive an rc tricycle and be fast.

Beside team drivers or those who work full time with RC mfr (not LHS).....how many ppl can race elect (12th mod, 19T, 10th TC mod, stock, 19T) Nitro (on-road 1/8th, on-road 235mm and on-road 200mm), Nitro off road (1/8th and 1/10th 2WD and 4WD) and elect off road (mod, stock, 19T 2WD and 4WD).............in one single year?

Not to mention, they have full time job, or even a part time job.....wife, and children and family....

Just wondering 24 hours per day is enough for them or not..?

[Rookie Solara]

Nexus/Euge/Mab...............does RSJ using the AMB-IT system yet? I saw on their website they are selling the personal, if they are indeed running the same one same as TP raceway, then that is a big plus for the RSJ........

AJ is still using the old AMB system and each transponder weight about a ton.......

And they race on-road SAT and SUN now...?

[thunderbt3]

whats up guys

i stopped in AL's today and check out one of the guy's M18 and man is it smooth, i tapped it with my finger and it just kept wanting to go forward hehe

I bumped into manny/noel too, hes a cool guy

i didnt know there were that many cool guys that are willing to help out in rc. i guess im gonna stop going to hobbytown races in st charles, people keep to themselves and offers no one help.

by the way, the hobbytown in st charles is marking everything 10% off in the store along with 25% off on certain items, i guess business is bad or slowing down and wanna kick up some sales.
sorry for the shameless plug but i wanna spread the word so cash in while u guys can

[thunderbt3]

hey howard

what were the 2 engines u ran in ur ntc3 before you sold it?

anyone wanna donate any of thier old/used/broken rc stuff to me, ill be happy to accept it. i need something to do over break and at college, u want me to build a kit, ill build it, u want me to clean ur cars, ill do it.

PLEASE GIMMEE SOMETHING TO DO

from the extremely bored,

ragin azn

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

wanna clean my fullsize car? any rc stuff you find in tehre is yours

[thunderbt3]

so does that mean ull have ur mbx in the trunk or something?
haha, jk

[thunderbt3]

do any of u chicago guys race/practice/bash somewhere on 159th street? one of my friends from school says theres "crazy people with thier crazy cars" somewhere on 159th

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nevermind guys, i just found out that its just street racing, not rc
howard, do u race ur solara there after u race ur rc?
hehe

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, I still race my Solara...................after I parked my car in the garage, I pretended I am JEFF GORDON or Michael Schmacher and use my PS 2 steering wheel and pretend I am driving a 360 Ferrari..........

You want to race my china-TOWNCAR...? How much you want to put in...?

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Yeah, I still race my Solara...................after I parked my car in the garage, I pretended I am JEFF GORDON or Michael Schmacher and use my PS 2 steering wheel and pretend I am driving a 360 Ferrari..........

You want to race my china-TOWNCAR...? How much you want to put in...?

Don't let howard fool ya, his Solara is packing a supercharger pushing 20PSI. He hustles people to support is rc habit:)

[thunderbt3]

geez, what kind of other stuff have u done to ur car?

[Walt]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
geez, what kind of other stuff have u done to ur car?

He has cleaned it... probably 3 times already today.

Hey Howard, any chance of being at AJ's this Sunday? I'm sorry I missed last Sunday, but I should be there this Sunday.

[wrxdan]

I was kidding:) I don't know what howard has done to his car, I think he does have a supercharger somewhere. It may not be on his car???

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Walt
He has cleaned it... probably 3 times already today.

Hey Howard, any chance of being at AJ's this Sunday? I'm sorry I missed last Sunday, but I should be there this Sunday.

And I bet he is rolling on the stock 16" now that the snow is coming.

[mab_man20]

Rookie: RSJ's will be using the new AMB system very shortly and they will simply have everyone run a personal transponder.


What the hell is with 4 different posts in a row? Jealous of my custom user status? lol


Micros at HTOP, we will take off the next 2 weeks due to the holidays and will be running strong on the 7th so come out and see whats going on!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by wrxdan
I got a cheap set from Menards. They are no-namers (menards house brand), but seem to be tough enough. I have used them many times with no problems. They were really cheap if I remember correctly.


Thanks!! I have enough craftsman and napa tools. I broke some of 'em. Both manufacturers did replace them. I think this is the time for me to get a better quality tools to put in my craftsman drawer.

[thunderbt3]

where is everyone?

well sorry primus i couldnt make it out to leisure to try out thier indoor nitro

i spent most of the weekend tearing down a briggs and stratton 5hp engine to fix a broken conrod, then fixing up another engine to put in a mini chopper that me and my buddy are planning to build. The engine that broke the conrod was for a gokart, but my friend's little bro decided to take it out when we geared it way low to haul stuff in a parade and we didnt have enough time to gear it back to normal and his brother took it out and abused it and poof, no more engine

we have lots of fun in the gokart, it drifts way easily on dry pavement, ive roasted a couple tires to the inner tube :D

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
He has cleaned it... probably 3 times already today.

Hey Howard, any chance of being at AJ's this Sunday? I'm sorry I missed last Sunday, but I should be there this Sunday.

Sorry, I cannot make it today (I am sure you've already figured out)....but I think I can make it ONE MORE TIME next week.....Annie's due date is on 18th JAN, so I think that will be my last..........I really don't want to leave her at home and I have to drive all the way back from DeKalb because she is ready...

Let me know who took the pole today.......I will say You or Ed.....but Frank and Tim, you guys should have a very close race.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
geez, what kind of other stuff have u done to ur car?

hmmmm, yeah, my car is a show car, and these are all the stuff I did on my Solara....

Power window
Power lock
Power steering
Power lock
ABS

...............SuperCharger, I don't know exactly, but I think I have a AE charger that can charge with 6 amps and I can do cycle 3 times....does take equal to 20 psi?

Yes, I have my 16" back on now.....well, smaller rims = faster reaction time, I need to start doing some dummy drag race with local COPS.......they think they blue/red lights will give them extra 50 hp.......I just can't stand that and need to shut them up.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Sorry, I cannot make it today (I am sure you've already figured out)....but I think I can make it ONE MORE TIME next week.....Annie's due date is on 18th JAN, so I think that will be my last..........I really don't want to leave her at home and I have to drive all the way back from DeKalb because she is ready...

Let me know who took the pole today.......I will say You or Ed.....but Frank and Tim, you guys should have a very close race.

Frank took TQ (but only after my ESC did it's little 'shut off for 10 seconds in the middle of the race' thing again). I ended up qualifying 4th after 3 rounds of bad luck: shut down ESC in the first round, taken out by a lapped car in the straightaway in the second round, lost a rear hub early in the third round.

In the main, both Frank and I were involved in relatively minor wrecks in the first lap (not sure if we collided with each other or other cars). This resulted in my servo saver skipping a tooth on the output spline, and by the time I walked off the stand, saw the problem, and trimmed the radio over all the way to get it semi-straight again, I was down 2 or 3 laps. Frank (correct me if I'm wrong) lost one of the body clips that holds the body up, so the body started rubbing the tires or the ground or something. He pulled the car off and also came back several laps down.

Frank and I both managed to get at least one of our laps back though after getting back on the track, so we were clearly the two fastest cars. I still had a good time. Frank and I are pretty darn evenly matched out there now. After the race ended Frank and I ran several more hot laps bumper to bumper... it would have been a good race had we both not had problems.

Neither Tim nor Ed ran yesterday. The other two fast guys I don't remember seeing before. Seemed like nice guys though.

[RCGUY76]

Just to let you all know there is a new track on the far far south side. Actualy in Bradley Illinois, about hour south of downtown
200 foot dirt fast "D" shaped dirt oval with 20-23 degree banked turns. ( offroad in the infield)
Currently Gas oval is Saturday evenings
Electric Oval is Sunday Afternoon's starting in January

There is post on the this track forum with pics

Hope to see some of you there!!!!!

[AKA_GEN_VOODOO]

Originally posted by Walt
Frank took TQ (but only after my ESC did it's little 'shut off for 10 seconds in the middle of the race' thing again). I ended up qualifying 4th after 3 rounds of bad luck: shut down ESC in the first round, taken out by a lapped car in the straightaway in the second round, lost a rear hub early in the third round.

In the main, both Frank and I were involved in relatively minor wrecks in the first lap (not sure if we collided with each other or other cars). This resulted in my servo saver skipping a tooth on the output spline, and by the time I walked off the stand, saw the problem, and trimmed the radio over all the way to get it semi-straight again, I was down 2 or 3 laps. Frank (correct me if I'm wrong) lost one of the body clips that holds the body up, so the body started rubbing the tires or the ground or something. He pulled the car off and also came back several laps down.

Frank and I both managed to get at least one of our laps back though after getting back on the track, so we were clearly the two fastest cars. I still had a good time. Frank and I are pretty darn evenly matched out there now. After the race ended Frank and I ran several more hot laps bumper to bumper... it would have been a good race had we both not had problems.

Neither Tim nor Ed ran yesterday. The other two fast guys I don't remember seeing before. Seemed like nice guys though. OK I LOVE THIS ( BUT ONLY AFTER MY ESC SCREWED ME ) HA HA HA I LOVE THAT ESC I THINK YOU SHOULD US IT ALL THE TIME. BESIDES I OFFERD YOU MY SPARE ESC AND YOU SAID NO, IT MUST BE NICE TO HAVE A BUILT IN EXCUSE ( I LOST DUE TO MY ESC) :rolleyes: BOTTOM LINE YOU LOST I LOST CHAD SPANKED US. AND ON THAT NOTE I SPANKED YOU SWEETY, I WAS FASTER GOT TQ AND LOOKED BETTER DOING IT.
:D BRING IT ON WALT BALLS I GOT YOUR NUMBER NOW . CHAD I DONT KNOW IF YOU READ THIS JUNK BUT NICE RACE , YOU TO ROSS NICE ONE. ALSO WALT GAVE ME HIS MOTOR TO DYNO YESTERDAY IT WAS NO A CHEAT MOTOR ,IT WAS A NICE ONE. BUT NO BETTER THAN ANY I HAVE OR ONE YOU CAN BUY OFF THE SELF. THAT SHOULD PUT ANY BULL TO THE SIDE ABOUT CHEATING. THE ONLY CHEATING WALT IS DOING IS BY NOT ADMITTING TO HIMSELF I AM FAR FAR BETTER THAN HE ( WALT YOU WILL SLEEP BETTER ) TONY DID WELL BUT CHOKED IN THE MAIN HE HAD DEVITO TOOK HIM THEN GAVE IT BACK THEN TOOK HIM AGAIN THEN BLEW IT AND STUFFED HIMSELF IN THE TUBES WAS A HALF LAP DOWN STARTED TO DRIVE RIGHT AGAIN AND STAYED THERE THE REST OF THE RACE ( GOOD JOB TONY) WALT YOU NEED TO LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE IF YOUR GOING TO COME OUT IF NOT IM GOING TO RUN SEDAN CLASS :p

[Walt]

I'm not sure how much in advance I'll be able to let you know, but I'll try. Why not just bring both cars and run the sedan if I don't show? Do you have to swap electronics or something?

I'm not sure about next Sunday yet, but it's looking good so far.

[Walt]

And, for those keeping score at home in the Walt vs Frank 1/12th scale battle, I believe it is now Walt: 4 and Frank: 1. You think you've got my number, but you don't seem to know how to dial it correctly.

And you say you were the fastest yesterday, but I don't remember seeing any 11.2's in your lap times yesterday...

Alright... back to Walt's rules: I don't trash talk, and I don't pass on the straightaway (did that twice yesterday, and both times resulted in crashes... gotta stick to my rules!)

[Rookie Solara]

Lovely.....glad to see that you guys finally step up and start the TRUSH talking without me supervising......good to see that happend.

Wow...so 2 more fast guys for 12th scale....ok, I think I am ready to the B-main for sure...............

Walt, when can you find out you can get out the house and play this weekend...? Let me know....and you know what, I was thinking to email you about that GM ESC that you got (not sure it is a V8, or V12 WE or V12 XE....) but I think about your esc incident (I believed that is the 3rd time you encountered the same shut down problem)...I think I will stick with LRP or GT7.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Lovely.....glad to see that you guys finally step up and start the TRUSH talking without me supervising......good to see that happend.

Wow...so 2 more fast guys for 12th scale....ok, I think I am ready to the B-main for sure...............

Walt, when can you find out you can get out the house and play this weekend...? Let me know....and you know what, I was thinking to email you about that GM ESC that you got (not sure it is a V8, or V12 WE or V12 XE....) but I think about your esc incident (I believed that is the 3rd time you encountered the same shut down problem)...I think I will stick with LRP or GT7.

I have the GM SX9. It was a pretty pricey speedo, so I don't want to abandon it, but I'm about ready to do just that. I have been eyeing the LRP Quantum Sport (for less than $80) that should work fine (good for 14 turns or greater).

I'm going to try contacting GM to see if they have a solution (or even the cause) of the problem, but since it's a German company, it might be REALLY hard to actually talk to someone that knows what he's talking about.

I'll talk to my wife tonight to see if we have any plans for next Sunday... I don't think we do, but with the holidays, I could easily be forgetting a prior engagement.

[thunderbt3]

any u guys have any weed wackers or snow blowers that have bit the dust?

[Rookie Solara]

I went to GM website, they updated everything will the end of 2002...and they have nothing on 03, that explain why your ESC will shut down in the middle, since they did the same thing on their website....(I cannot see the SX9 or SX12 on their website, they must be very old model or very new model...)

I think I will give the LRP a shot, or may be the GT7....I asked the ppl that race at Cleveland and they said both ESC were used and no problem......but very rare ppl using GM (not sure it is because the same problem that you encountered)

Sunday looking good for me this week, and I did have the right t-bar, fixed my lower arm, new bearings and new diff....hopefully the car will handle a little better.

[mab_man20]

Walt: Horizon does all of GM's repair work and they have some guys who really know their stuff. Give them a call, im sure they can help you out.


Marry christmas everyone! (even if you dont celebrate it lol)

[Walt]

I looked around on forums and quickly found threads where other people were complaining about the SX9 shutting down for a few seconds and then starting back up again.

I also looked at the GM website, but much of it is in German. I tried sending an e-mail to GM, but I'm not sure they will like the English. GM has a forum too, but it is all German.

I called the GM distributer (Horizon Hobby) and talked to technical help, and they told me to send it in for testing, but I have a funny feeling they will say 'no trouble found' and I'll get the thing right back to me 2 months later and minus the money I spent on shipping.

For now, here is my plan: keep on spraying the car with the 'static guard' and see if the problem comes again. Also, buy a spare ESC, and if the problem comes again then I'll put in the spare and make the SX9 my spare. And I'll just have to make sure that I'm far enough ahead of Frank where my car can park for 10 seconds and I'll still beat him.

[warpainter]

walt the reason your speed control keeps shuting off is because the carpet at aj is not real ozite or if it is as aj claims, its the cheap office type.,and it builds up static and the fact that the pits are covered in the same stuff doesnt help matters ive talked to a lot of peaple last year about this problem , that and the fact that you can knit a rug from the long strand bearing eating carpet fuzz is part of the reason that a lot of guys arent coming back as often to ajs,now the carpeting doesnt seam to effect the 12scale cars as bad as sedans but as i said before i was only racing 12th for a short time now im going back to sedans i think ther more fun but i probably wont be racing at ajs to much,me and some other guys want to check out rsj we here it is a awsome place and they either have or are getting personal transponders . personals are so much nicer than the old system with those boat anker transponders like ajs has. now im not bashing aj or his antique lap counting system it seems to be working for him, and aj is a ok guy but i think its time to move on to better things

[Rookie Solara]

I found out, RSJ has Sunday racing now, and they will (soon) be using the same AMB like TP does, that is a plus....but for 12th scale like us, the turn out is low, according from Mab_man20....wednesday and sat are close to none....but there are several guys that has 12th scale there are will to race only if WE are all showing up (so it can form a class).....but not really sure their 12th scale are 19T or Mod class........

I cannot go to RSJ before is their SAT night schedule.....but now, they do have SUN on-road, that is different story..........what happened to their in-door elect off-road over carpet?

[Walt]

After getting no useful information yesterday from the GM ESC distributer in the US, I attempted to send an e-mail straight to the manufacturer in Germany. I was afraid they might not read English, but luckily most of the world now speaks English as a second language.

Here is the response from their engineering department... perhaps this is a good suggestion for all 1/12th racers?

"Dear Walter Corczowski,

the problem is static electricity. You can improve the problem when you
connect a wire from the power pod to the main chassis.
If this doesn't solve your problem, you should send the speedo to me with
this fault description, then I will improve your speedo for 1/12.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind Regards,

i. A. Ralf Helbing"

Sounds to me like the problem is associated with the fact that iin 1/12th scale we've got the motor hooked up to the rear pod of the car, which is isolated from the main chassis (electrically) by the non-conductive fiberglass T-bar. Perhaps this allows a different charge to be built up on the main chassis verses the rear pod, and when I run over a metal corner dot, the connection is made betweeen the two parts and the current flows, causing the problem. I'm going to try his suggestion of running a 'ground wire' between the rear pod and the main chassis, and see if that helps the problem.

[Rookie Solara]

Hmmmm, even CHINESE can speak good "Ink-alish" how can you say your fellow country man does not speak no English.....? (Oh, just remembered, you are Polish...sorry)

I have no problem of my 12 years old ESC, because it is too weak to get the ESC to shut off.....but I really want to know more because I think eventually I will have to get the GT7 or Quantium Compeititon 2 and I heard ppl had the same exact problem, so I don't believe that will be singled out for GM speedo only, but it is for all ESC on 12th scale.....(but how come NONE of the pro racer like those we saw on megazine had that WIRE setup..?)

Walt...exactly, how are you going to WIRE from the motor pod to the main chassis..? solder a wire from the motor and tape the other end onto the main chassis..? I don't quite get what GM said on their email....

I just think of 2 things...........back to the old time, driving a REAL CAR in Japan (and HK) I have seen ppl have a piece of rubber sealed metal bar connected from the car main-chassis (usually on the ground) to the ground, that way, the car is grounded, usually I will find that on Taxi or Limo so when their customer trying to open the door and won't get shocked by the static electricity...do you think that will work on 12th scale..? (of course, AJ would not appreciated when I drive the 12 scale with a wire hanging at the rear and drag across the track 30 times in 5 minutes)

The other things.......whos cause the static electricity..? The Motor..? Or the corner dots rubbing the chassis....which that should not happend to you (walt) that offen but still, cause your ESC to shut down..... Or the third....like Tim said, the carpet, but I believe that is what IFMAR or any other major track used typical RC race carpet....

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Hmmmm, even CHINESE can speak good "Ink-alish" how can you say your fellow country man does not speak no English.....? (Oh, just remembered, you are Polish...sorry)

I have no problem of my 12 years old ESC, because it is too weak to get the ESC to shut off.....but I really want to know more because I think eventually I will have to get the GT7 or Quantium Compeititon 2 and I heard ppl had the same exact problem, so I don't believe that will be singled out for GM speedo only, but it is for all ESC on 12th scale.....(but how come NONE of the pro racer like those we saw on megazine had that WIRE setup..?)

Walt...exactly, how are you going to WIRE from the motor pod to the main chassis..? solder a wire from the motor and tape the other end onto the main chassis..? I don't quite get what GM said on their email....

I'm guessing that static discharge is a problem for all ESC's running on carpet, but some handle it better than others. Shutting down like my GM has been doing is still better than completely blowing out like my Novak1 and Novak4 did back in the 1980's. Novak never suggested the ground wire, but it makes a lot of sense.

I'm not exactly sure how I'll do it yet, but I have a few ideas. First thing I'm going to try is a thin piece of aluminum foil sandwiched between the motor plate and the lower pod graphite, and then loop that foil over to the main chassis and sandwhich it between the body post and the main chassis (I'll file the graphite a little in each spot to get good conductivity).

If the foil proves to be too fragile, then I'll make a thin ground wire with small 'eyelets' on either end and just attach to a screw on either part (again, making sure there is good conductivity).

Shouldn't be too tough. And, the static guard on the bottom of the car should really help out.

And I'm not sure why the top guys don't have the ground wire, but perhaps they just use the static guard and that's good enough??? Or they are racing in a more controlled (humid) environment and therefore don't have the problem?

And probably what I do is the worst case... drive many laps without hitting anything which allows a large charge build up, and then hit the dot which sends the big shock. I bet if I hit the dots every lap there would never be a big build up and the problem would not happen.

[mab_man20]

If you guys all show up and want to run 12th scale 19T then Rick will be more than happy to accomidate you and if you start showing up on a regular basis then some of the RSJ's locals will start bringing theirs.

[Walt]

Originally posted by mab_man20
If you guys all show up and want to run 12th scale 19T then Rick will be more than happy to accomidate you and if you start showing up on a regular basis then some of the RSJ's locals will start bringing theirs.

My wife is lobbying hard for me to race only every OTHER Sunday during the winter, but she doesn't mind me racing one day during the week. What day during the week does RSJ have racing? Maybe me and Howard (and Frank?) can start going there on that week day sometimes to run a little 1/12th (and maybe he'll run 8 minute races if that's what we all want to do).

I could run micros during the week, but I'd rather stick to one car if it's possible. Plus, unless JJ or Frank shows up to race micros, it's a little boring for me (not much competition).

Give me more information about their 'week day' race (start time, approximate end time (long way from home for me), price. Maybe me and Howard (at least) can make it out there some time.

[Nexus]

RSJ has onroad racing on Weds nights...if there are 3 people for a class it can be run....so if atleast 3 12th scalers come out you guys can run it. RSJ has always run 8mins for 12th scale to be the same as the national events...hopefully we see you guys out there....hey...no static problems :)

weds night. open 5pm start 7pm end about 10pm...3 quals and a main.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

racing this weekend...

RSJ and Trackside will be packed with people this weekend....alot of guys are coming down to prepare for the Novak Race.

Stock/foam TC...I've already heard that at RSJ Saturday and Trackside on Sunday will be packed with racers.

Stock/rubber TC...should be a good weekend as well. we normally get about 3 heats.

12th scale...should be a good turnout at Trackside on sunday. i think most of the RSJ guys are holding out to run their cars until after Novak


If you plan to come up here is the schedule:

Saturday - RSJ Raceway - open 12noon - racing 6pm
Sunday - Trackside - open 9am - racing i think 12noon.:D

[Rookie Solara]

As much as I want to go to trackside......the drive will definitely stop me from going....what is the address of TRACKSIDE..? All I know is they are a little west of Milwaukee, and that is WISCONSIN Milwaukee........at least 1-3/4 hour each way...and I don't mind to go there for National (most likely, to WATCH only) but....race every sunday, it is like asking me to quit RC.

Wednesday night 12th scale racing at RSJ....I am all for it, Walt, I am having the same kind of schedule....race every OTHER sunday, or even 1 Sunday race and 2 sunday off racing, then 1 sunday racing...but if we can do the Wednesday night racing on every OTHER week, then we can have a pretty good schedule for racing 12th this winter....at least 3 races per month. And that is my limit..and TIM actually said that he want to try their track...so all we need is get Ed, Torry, Dan and Frank to be there....6 typicals at RSJ should not be problem, in fact, that might bring OTHERS that has 12th to start, we might have more then 1 class.

On top of that....I really want to use the AMB personal transponder...it is really a waste now.

SAT racing at RSJ is bad for me.....SAT night is prime time, except RC...Sunday race, it is all depends on the Wednesday night race.

About Micro....yeah, if Frank, JJ, Tim, Rick those all show up, then we can have some fun on Micro.....but if I have to choose 12th scale or Micro, I will do 12th scale for sure, that is the class I can get closer to YOU compare to Micro....just cannot find myself why race micro with you guys, trying to let you guys pass me from the first lap till the end is not fun....

[Walt]

Wednesdays might just work out for me every other week or so. I'd just stay a little late at work those days and run up to RSJ straight from work (Melrose Park) instead of driving 25 miles south to home just to turn around and drive back 50 miles north.

We should pick a day to try it out and plan on going. I hope it doesn't go too late though, since it will be 1 hour drive home and then I have to get up the next day at 5am... I like my sleep.

[thunderbt3]

whats up guys

my theory of why static builds up (im all nitro so this is just a theory):

when your little pan cars are running really close to the ground, the fiberglass or carbon fiber chassis is brushing up against any little fibers of the carpet that is sticking up

another way could be the foam tires rubbing on the carpet

well this is the same thing as rubbing a balloon on ur head and making it stick to the wall or rubbing a peice of amber with some wool (the amber and wool thing is probaby the only thing i remmber from my physics 2 course this past semester at NIU haha...)

so thats my theory of why static builds up on the little pan cars

as for a grounding wire, ive seen copper wire that looks like almost like hair, really really thin stuff. u can strip the insulation off and i guess u can tape it along ur chassis lenght wise and at the end, leave like 1/4 to 1/2 inch trailing on the ground, put like 4 or 5 wires like that all along ur chassis and that might be able to fix the static problem

the benefits of a grounding wire without all the drag it causes and ur not tearing up the carpet cuz theres only like 4 or 5 really thin wires touching the ground

remember: im a nitro guy, this is only my untested, non concluded theroy of why static builds up on the little pan cars:D

[g12314]

Originally posted by Walt

We should pick a day to try it out and plan on going. I hope it doesn't go too late though, since it will be 1 hour drive home and then I have to get up the next day at 5am... I like my sleep.

Races have been ending between 10pm and 10:30pm. Enough time to start home, stop at Finn's to get a Beer & Pizza before last call :).

Jimmy

[Walt]

Originally posted by g12314
Races have been ending between 10pm and 10:30pm. Enough time to start home, stop at Finn's to get a Beer & Pizza before last call :).

Jimmy

Man... that would be rough. How much do they charge (not that this makes too much difference.... I'm mostly currious).

[Rookie Solara]

I hope they charge a little less then $15 for Wednesday night race.....but 10:30 finish time.....hmmm, that is problem for me too. (45 minutes to get home....11:15 walk in....war is going to happen)

Maybe I will go there on 1 Sunday and call it the plan....

[Nexus]

racing at RSJ is always $12.50.

racing at Trackside is $15.00

[Rookie Solara]

THanks Nexus..........I think Sunday is better plan for me.....will schedule one this year..

To all.......Merry X'mas and Happy New RACE Year........see you all Next Year........(if I am lucky enough to do that...)

[T-Racer]

Ho Ho Ho MERRY CHRISTMAS

I WISH

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

:D :cool: :(:cool: :cool: :cool: :p


And for the New Year I want all you children to play nice out there. Racing is a Hobby to have fun with.


T Racer

[thunderbt3]

yes, merry christmas to all and happy new year

yea thats right, my ntc3 RTR w/2 speed will dominate all this coming season, hehe

hope to see you guys at the track

thunderbt3

[pev942]

Originally posted by Walt


I could run micros during the week, but I'd rather stick to one car if it's possible. Plus, unless JJ or Frank shows up to race micros, it's a little boring for me (not much competition).



hey walt now that i am done with school i will be down every week racing micros. plus mark has taken it to the next level and beaten me the last two weeks. all the a-main drivers are only down by one lap at the most. tommy is really fast now and ryan is still fast, and they are all there every week. if would be fun if you, frank, tim, and ed, could race with us. even though some of those guys have had some bad times there in the past, we have got some pretty clean racing now. even espo said he might be out the m-18 to promote the car

[Walt]

Originally posted by pev942
hey walt now that i am done with school i will be down every week racing micros. plus mark has taken it to the next level and beaten me the last two weeks. all the a-main drivers are only down by one lap at the most. tommy is really fast now and ryan is still fast, and they are all there every week. if would be fun if you, frank, tim, and ed, could race with us. even though some of those guys have had some bad times there in the past, we have got some pretty clean racing now. even espo said he might be out the m-18 to promote the car

I just put a bunch of micro race results up on the website, and although I didn't look really close (just a couple quick random checks that the links were working), I did notice that the competition looks pretty tight. I also noticed a 10 minute main in there with sub-six second laps and over 100 laps to the winner... wow.. that ought to make you dizzy.

I'll have to make it back out there one of these Wednesdays, but Wednesdays are bad for me now. I'm there late on Tuesday (actually bowling, not racing), so racing would mean two late nights in a row. Plus, my wife goes into the office on Wednesdays, so I've got baby-pickup-duty. I'll try to arrange something, but I don't see Wednesday nights becoming a regular race night for me in my current situation (unfortunately).

[Rookie Solara]

Happy new year to all, once again, I cannot make the SUNDAY race, and I thought today might be my last race before the baby born, of course, I just realized that my last race 2 weeks ago.....anyhow, I don't know what to say.

So, I ended up put my M18 together....fit everything fine with BIG BLOCK and 6 cells.....but with Big Block, car is extremely fast, because there is no way I can put a 17/19 pinion on the car, so I ended up the 21T.....that is craxy fast, which looks pretty good, but handling is horrible....no matter how I set up, car is over steer with the tightest diff setting and stand up shock position up front.........

So, I think meanwhile, the best setting is still using the stock motor and 17T.........that way, there is still a chance to run 10 minutes main...

Since when did you guys extended the length of the main to 10 minutes...? Wow, that is a long ass race for micro.

[Walt]

Tony can say for sure, but I think that when they have a low turnout there, they do some fun stuff, like a longer main. I think they even started a race 'LeMans' style where all the drivers were across the room and at the sound of the horn they had to run across the track to the driver's stand and pick up their radio and start driving. They don't do that stuff on 'normal' race days, of course. Only if just a few guys can make it and all of them want to try something different.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Happy new year to all, once again, I cannot make the SUNDAY race, and I thought today might be my last race before the baby born, of course, I just realized that my last race 2 weeks ago.....anyhow, I don't know what to say.



It's too bad you couldn't make it yesterday. I was really hoping that I'd get to race with you one more time before the big day. That's alright though, I understand your situation. Your baby is less than a month away, so that really means 'any minute now.' Heck, if your baby came out on the same schedule as mine did, she would have been born 2 weeks ago, and we had no warning that the baby would come early. I'm glad I wasn't off racing when that happened.

Tony, Frank and I all had a good time though. Tony won his heat of the 19 turn sedan class. Frank ran his new (used, but new to him) sedan in the rubber tire/stock motor class, where he TQ'ed and won, and I managed a TQ and win in 1/12th scale in typical 'Walt' fashion, with a car that was clearly slower than Frank's car, but I was more consistent, and consistency won yesterday (but not by much). Frank qualified 2nd and placed 2nd, and we were both a lap or two over 3rd place.

I was AMAZED that Frank could switch back and forth between a rubber tire stock motor touring car (like driving a school bus on ice) and the 19 turn 1/12th scale car (like a bat out of you know where) so well. That has got to be tough. 13 second laps with the touring car, and then he pulled off a 10.8 with the 1/12th scale car (best I could do all day was 11.0 I think, maybe 11.1). Looks like I've got to find some more speed in my car... I'll work on it. Fun racing yesterday.

Oh, but my ESC did shut down AGAIN, so that thing is heading back to Germany for repairs. Piece of junk. Cost me the first qualifier (luckily not the main).

[Rookie Solara]

Well, good to hear that you guys were having fun............like you, I am not taking any chance now (I remember you told me your son's B-day is the same date as mine's due date, the 18th, right...?) I really want to race but family come first......so, I think I will be done for at least 2 months or so....once the baby settled down, I will be back.

For me, I need a speed controller as well (mine is way old and I believed the AMPS of the ESC just cannot keep up with the new one)....so I am asking Albert to quote me the Quantum Comp 2 (not 1) and the GT7 (Novak)......if you are interested to know how much, let me know.

[AKA_GEN_VOODOO]

Originally posted by Walt
It's too bad you couldn't make it yesterday. I was really hoping that I'd get to race with you one more time before the big day. That's alright though, I understand your situation. Your baby is less than a month away, so that really means 'any minute now.' Heck, if your baby came out on the same schedule as mine did, she would have been born 2 weeks ago, and we had no warning that the baby would come early. I'm glad I wasn't off racing when that happened.

Tony, Frank and I all had a good time though. Tony won his heat of the 19 turn sedan class. Frank ran his new (used, but new to him) sedan in the rubber tire/stock motor class, where he TQ'ed and won, and I managed a TQ and win in 1/12th scale in typical 'Walt' fashion, with a car that was clearly slower than Frank's car, but I was more consistent, and consistency won yesterday (but not by much). Frank qualified 2nd and placed 2nd, and we were both a lap or two over 3rd place.

I was AMAZED that Frank could switch back and forth between a rubber tire stock motor touring car (like driving a school bus on ice) and the 19 turn 1/12th scale car (like a bat out of you know where) so well. That has got to be tough. 13 second laps with the touring car, and then he pulled off a 10.8 with the 1/12th scale car (best I could do all day was 11.0 I think, maybe 11.1). Looks like I've got to find some more speed in my car... I'll work on it. Fun racing yesterday.

Oh, but my ESC did shut down AGAIN, so that thing is heading back to Germany for repairs. Piece of junk. Cost me the first qualifier (luckily not the main). THANKS WALT GOOD RACE YESTERDAY sorry caps on it was a good time for all. i think i need a bit more time with the new settings and my consistency will improve. i made the first mistake in the first few laps becuase i just wasnt ready for the car to turn like that. and i hit the plow dot, i think i could have had you in the end but i got taken out by lap traffic. but i felt the car was a bit twitchy and realy unpredictable, but it was a hot battle and i had all i could do to catch up to you after the first screw up. like i said before great race and great job. let me know where to send the ten bucks. also i need a set of tire warmers cheap (anyone) :D

[T-Racer]

Rookie the baby will be born on My Birthday Jan 21
we will keep you a spot warm for you when you come back.
Maybe we should take vedios for you.


You will be a proud Papa

And Walt will teach you baby how to spell LOL
Me Too

Good Luck

T-Racer

[Walt]

You don't want me teaching anyone how to spell (I can teach someone how to use the spell checker though). Grammar, yes, spelling, no.

Anyways, Howard, I just purchased another ESC since my GM keeps shutting down on me. I went with the LRP Quantum Sport. It's good for motors over 14 turns, so our 19 turn spec class should be no problem for it. Why bother getting the higher current rated ones if we're not going to use it, unless you think you might try a touring car some day, or run the modified class at Cleveland next year (these are the reasons why I purchased the SX9 in the first place). I figured it's good to have at least one ESC that can handle modified motors, but my 'spare' didn't need to be that capable.

The Quantum Sport is less than $80, so a pretty good deal for 19 turn racing, if you're looking to save a few bucks.

Actually, I have purchased it, but have not picked it up yet. It's at Al's, and I'm planning on running there some time today (from home... off work until next Monday).

[Walt]

Originally posted by AKA_GEN_VOODOO
also i need a set of tire warmers cheap (anyone) :D

I'm always trying to think of a cheaper way to do stuff... how about take an old hair dryer and rig up a little duct-work so that it blows on the tires to warm them up? Or, put the car on a box with openings at the tires, and just blow the hot air into the box?

I don't know what tire warmers cost, but I bet they are a rip off if they are intended for RC use.

Oh, and I tried that cutter you gave me for the comm lathe, and it seemed to work fine.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by T-Racer
Rookie the baby will be born on My Birthday Jan 21
we will keep you a spot warm for you when you come back.
Maybe we should take vedios for you.


You will be a proud Papa

And Walt will teach you baby how to spell LOL
Me Too

Good Luck

T-Racer

Wow....believe it or not, I really really really really want my baby born on 01-21-2004.......that is what ANNIE's want because Jan 21st this coming year is Chinese new year day (the 01-01-2004 in Chinese Calender) and she really want our baby to be a Monkey (the 04 Chinese calender is Monkey)....and that will be 3 day LATER then her due day..........the chance is definitely not high, but I hope that can happen.

Yeah, I will definitely find myself back to the track, but I don't really need help on spelling.............because I think my new born can teach me how to spell and do trush talking on internet....hee hee....

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Anyways, Howard, I just purchased another ESC since my GM keeps shutting down on me. I went with the LRP Quantum Sport. It's good for motors over 14 turns, so our 19 turn spec class should be no problem for it. Why bother getting the higher current rated ones if we're not going to use it, unless you think you might try a touring car some day, or run the modified class at Cleveland next year (these are the reasons why I purchased the SX9 in the first place). I figured it's good to have at least one ESC that can handle modified motors, but my 'spare' didn't need to be that capable.

Well, I think from now on, before I buy anything I need to ask ppl here.....espeically Walt, he is alike a BOB VIlla in RC...just know how to save a few bucks here and there...

Very good point, I never thought about that issue..........and NO< please and PLEASE.......I don't even know I can have any Nitro TC race for me this coming season, and please don't bring up that "elect touring car" thing in front of me....I've already got myself the 12th scale because of you.......not another 10th TC.

I redid the whole car for like 3 weeks, and thought I can run it and see it can go any faster.............too bad my season ended 3 weeks ago, but I will try to get out there again...may be March, April or May.....but I think I can do some TP Micro race, weekday is a little better then weekend.

[Rookie Solara]

Frank...........next time I see you, I will definitely need a MOTOR lath work, it was dark all around the arms.

Everyone else............HAPPY NEW YEAR, and see you all next year.

[wrxdan]

Happy New Year everyone!!

Does AJ's have races on Firdays? (not that I have a car to race there). I don't have to work tomorrow so I might cruse out there if cars are running on the track since it's 30 min or less from me.

AJ's website doesn't look like it's been updated.

[Rookie Solara]

Happy new year to all....

Just to let everyone know....I think my RC life will be end shortly.....my wife just gave brith to our first daughter on Wednesday 31st....Jasmine was born in the morning just to get me the 2003 year tax exception......and she will be my new years toy...

And only having 2 hours of sleep on the last 48 hours....I really not sure how I can do RC and baby together....but again, there is always chance.

Just to let everyone know that I am very very happy to see her...and i have already let her play with my M18 yesterday...LOL

Again, Happy new year....and I will be in touch.

[wrxdan]

Congratulations Howard!!! Welcome to our awesome club!

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Happy new year to all....

Just to let everyone know....I think my RC life will be end shortly.....my wife just gave brith to our first daughter on Wednesday 31st....Jasmine was born in the morning just to get me the 2003 year tax exception......and she will be my new years toy...

And only having 2 hours of sleep on the last 48 hours....I really not sure how I can do RC and baby together....but again, there is always chance.

Just to let everyone know that I am very very happy to see her...and i have already let her play with my M18 yesterday...LOL

Again, Happy new year....and I will be in touch.

That's great Howard. Congratulations! Now the fun begins. Those first few months were rough in regards to sleep (or lack there of), but you actually get used to it after a while.

So you went with Jasmine... that's a nice name... just had to have a J. Lo in the family?

[T-Racer]

Hay Hay That's great Howard. Congratulations! We are all happy for you Howard. My First was a Girl and nothing better then having a Little Daddy's Girl. She is 34 now and still Daddy Girl. She might even like to race rc cars too. Mind did until she was 16.


Again Howard

Congratulations!

T-Racer

[warpainter]

congrats howard hopefully you can pass that skirt on to her he he ,o no i didnt go there

[thunderbt3]

congrats on the baby rookie

[T-Racer]

2004 New Micro Series

[HauntedMyst]

Congrats Howard!

[xsrwx]

T-racer, Any info on this?

[T-Racer]

Winter Series
Classes

Stock Class: Up To HPI Mod Motor
Stock Electrical System
5 Cells

Mod Class: Any Motor Up To Coreless (Small Block)
Chassis change to $14.95 Flat Pan
Any Electrical System
Diff Change OK
Up To 5 Cells

Open Class Run with you Bring


Mini T Stock Class
Any Tires
Any Gears
Stock Motor
Only Losi Up Grades Allow
Up To 5 Cells

Placques Nighty

Trophies Top 3 Maybe up to 5 Depending on turn out in each Class 4 mouth series with through-away races

Flyer on Chicagoland RC Raceway Coming

T-Racer

[xsrwx]

Damn...All 5 cells....All I have are 6 cell batt's. and am no where good enough to compete in the open division. I'll have to stop by Al's on the way home and support my LHS. LOL

OOps...forgot to ask..When is this going to start?

[T-Racer]

CHicagoland RC Micro Series starts Wed Jan 7, 2004


Track is set up by 5:30 pm for open practice. Racing starts at
7:00 pm sharp.

Come out and have fun

T-Racer

[thunderbt3]

wow, this thread has been dead for awhile, are we all mourning the loss of rookie from RC? dont worry guys, he'll be back.......sometime haha

[pev942]

Originally posted by xsrwx
Damn...All 5 cells....All I have are 6 cell batt's. and am no where good enough to compete in the open division. I'll have to stop by Al's on the way home and support my LHS. LOL

OOps...forgot to ask..When is this going to start?

open class is six cells and big blocks

tony
sorry i couldnt make it this week my car died hopefully i will be there next week

[thunderbt3]

sup guys

i went over to AJ's today cuz i was bored and im only like 5 mins away from it cuz im at school now. I helped out a couple kids who got tc3's for christmas, it was fun

when do u guys go there? ill probalby stop by off and on on the weekends if i have time

it was fun stuff, makes me wanna get a tc3 kit ;)

later guys

[thunderbt3]

hey, i went to aj's today and met walt, tony and frank. i had fun there, anyone want me to video tape thier race and have thier own camera, im the man haha, just ask walt

it was nice meeting you guys, hope to see you guys this summer when ill be running nitro

dave

[Walt]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
hey, i went to aj's today and met walt, tony and frank. i had fun there, anyone want me to video tape thier race and have thier own camera, im the man haha, just ask walt

it was nice meeting you guys, hope to see you guys this summer when ill be running nitro

dave

Dave's right... he was nice enough to video tape one of my qualifiers and the main for me. I watched the tape last night and it looks great... he did a good job.

I need to start video taping more races. It's fun later to watch and try to learn from mistakes... but as Frank knows, I didn't make any in yesterday's main (just kidding), but I've got good, in focus coverage of his mistake since he was close to me when he did it. :D

Also, we talked to AJ yesterday and confirmed that the 1/12th class is an 'open motor' class, so Frank and I will start running modified motors there once in a while, just so that we'll know what the heck we're doing if/when we go to 'big' races. Also, AJ agreed to change 1/12th scale back to 8 minute long races, like they should be.

We ran 8 minutes yesterday. Hopefully this will attract more of the local 1/12th guys to AJ's, as well as get some of the touring car guys to give it a try. 8 minute races are a lot more fun than 5 minute races... only 3 minutes longer, but it makes a big difference for some reason.

[Nexus]

fyi....if you guys didn't know yet.

congrats to mab man for making the show at the Novak Touring Car Championship held at Trackside.

Stock Rubber Touring Car - Triple A-Main Results

[Complete Stock Rubber Results]

1. 200 | 100 100 0 64/10:10.00 Lee Passehl
2. 199 | 92 99 100 60/14:03.81 James Newberg
3. 198 | 99 98 99 66/15:34.03 David Weir
4. 195 | 98 97 93 62/15:04.44 John Ermer
5. 193 | 97 96 96 63/15:18.43 Troy Shear
6. 193 | 95 93 98 62/15:15.65 Mike Lack
7. 191 | 93 94 97 62/15:17.07 Mike Burroughs
8. 190 | 96 91 94 62/15:32.36 Bob Seay
9. 189 | 94 95 92 59/14:29.18 Jen Barnes
10. 187 | 0 92 95 41/10:18.23 Randy Cook


good job mike...see you at the track.

[Walt]

Boy, without Howard, this thread moves along much slower... wonder if he's gotten any sleep yet?

Anyway, I purchased a motor dyno (to try to keep up with Frank). It's the Fantom dyno. But now, I'm trying to work out in my head just what makes a motor 'good.' I use 'real' dynos all the time at work with 'real' engines, but when building a race engine, usually all you look for is good power, or a good power band. Rarely is 'fuel economy' an issue in real racing (but sometimes it is).

What confuses me about the RC motor dyno tuning is that it isn't all about power. If it was, you could just get a 6 turn single and make gobs of power, but we'd never make run time with it. So, how do you tell a good motor from a bad motor? It must be some combination of good power with decent efficiency.

Obviously, it would be good any time I can increase efficiency without sacraficing power, and that's fine for adjusting a motor, but how do you go about comparing two different motors? Maybe it's not possible? Heck, if it were possible to determine what motor was the best off a dyno, then that would have been determined a long time ago and everyone would be running the same motor, which obviously isn't the case.

Any insight from you electric regulars? Unfortunately, I've got a few weeks here before I can race again (lots going on the next couple of weekends), so I've got some time on my hands to get a mod motor running well before I next take on Frank (who will be practicing all these weeks that I'm off, I'm sure).

[Nexus]

RSJ Raceway is holding another Trophy Race on Sat. 24th if anyone is interested...

http://www.rsjraceways.com//images/pics/trophy3.gif

2004 New Year Trophy Race
Electric On-Road Racing
Saturday, January 24, 2004

word is there will also be 12th scale guys running.

walt - if you do get feedback from people just remember you can't really compare motor #'s from one dyno to another....don't get hung up on 'amp draw' either.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
RSJ Raceway is holding another Trophy Race on Sat. 24th if anyone is interested...

http://www.rsjraceways.com//images/pics/trophy3.gif

2004 New Year Trophy Race
Electric On-Road Racing
Saturday, January 24, 2004

word is there will also be 12th scale guys running.

walt - if you do get feedback from people just remember you can't really compare motor #'s from one dyno to another....don't get hung up on 'amp draw' either.

Hummm... Saturday huh... I just might be able to make it next Saturday... Sunday is bad for me.

Anyone know for sure if they are running 1/12th scale, and if so, what are the 'specs'? 8 minute mod, 4-cell probably?

[Nexus]

walt.

RSJ always runs 8 mins...as for motor...i'm not sure. they ran 12th scale this weekend and i believe it was stock motors.

i'll find out and post it here for you and other guys to checkout.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
walt.

RSJ always runs 8 mins...as for motor...i'm not sure. they ran 12th scale this weekend and i believe it was stock motors.

i'll find out and post it here for you and other guys to checkout.

Thanks Nexus... I wish tracks would post their classes on their web sites. (note to self: post classes on our track's web site).

I definitely need to know if it's stock or mod, because all I've got right now is 'spec' motors.

[Walt]

Tony: check out our web site... my brother and I made some changes. There is now a 'micro' page where the NASCAR page used to be (bottom of the home page, link is on the right). Check it out and make sure it is all accurate.. www.chicagolandrc.com

[Nexus]

walt...looks like 4cell stock is what's most popular. i think one reason sites don't post classes is because sometimes they are decided the day of the races....kind of like we'll see who shows up. if you only have mods maybe i can loan you a stocker to run for the day.



either way...RSJ always has stock/rubber and stock/foam. now that the Novak Touring car race is over...alot more guys are bringing out their 12th scales.

[kakolitoy]

Any schedules for outdoor Nitro racing. I would like to race in both opening races for this season!!! I miss the smell of burning nitro!!!:cool:

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Any schedules for outdoor Nitro racing. I would like to race in both opening races for this season!!! I miss the smell of burning nitro!!!:cool:

We don't have a schedule yet. I'll make sure it is posted here when we make the decision (as well as on our web site, of course). For now, we're still trying to work out a deal for new asphalt, and that might dictate our opening day.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
walt...looks like 4cell stock is what's most popular. i think one reason sites don't post classes is because sometimes they are decided the day of the races....kind of like we'll see who shows up. if you only have mods maybe i can loan you a stocker to run for the day.



either way...RSJ always has stock/rubber and stock/foam. now that the Novak Touring car race is over...alot more guys are bringing out their 12th scales.

What I'll probably do is purchase a modified motor (since I'll need it from now on at AJ's anyways), and borrow a stock motor from you or someone on Saturday if that's what they decide to run.

[Nexus]

walt - do you only have 19T motors? just wondering.

i'd pick up both the mod and stock if you plan to start hitting other tracks. if you pick up a stocker - Monster Stock or EPIC Binary is the way to go. you might even be able to get away with running the 19T in the mod class since RSJ isn't that big.

someone posted that they will run 4cell/stock...and maybe mod if enough people are interested.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
walt - do you only have 19T motors? just wondering.

i'd pick up both the mod and stock if you plan to start hitting other tracks. if you pick up a stocker - Monster Stock or EPIC Binary is the way to go. you might even be able to get away with running the 19T in the mod class since RSJ isn't that big.

someone posted that they will run 4cell/stock...and maybe mod if enough people are interested.

Yes.. all I've run so far in 1/12th scale is 19-turn 'spec' at AJ's (the Chameleon 2). I probably could run it in a modified class, but it wouldn't be ideal, and since we're changing over to modified at AJ's, I've got to get some modified motors anyways.

I don't really plan on running a bunch of different tracks, so I'm not sure I need a stocker. I can get one at the track if I can't borrow one from someone (I assume RSJ would have some stock motors in stock).

[Euge]

you can borrow a stock motor from me too, but not sure if the 12th scale guys are tuning the motors the same for 12th scale as they are for touring car (ie spring tension, full faced versus cut brushes).

If it's a stock class, I'd go with the high rpm binary. It's legal at RSJ for the stock class.

btw, I talked to Kitt and Rutt about the summer electric scene at TP and they are interested (as am I) in doing an open mod class. Last year it was too hard getting everyone to run stock/19T w/rubber. Besides, I'm itching to run a 6-8 turn mod on foams.

:D

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
you can borrow a stock motor from me too, but not sure if the 12th scale guys are tuning the motors the same for 12th scale as they are for touring car (ie spring tension, full faced versus cut brushes).

If it's a stock class, I'd go with the high rpm binary. It's legal at RSJ for the stock class.

btw, I talked to Kitt and Rutt about the summer electric scene at TP and they are interested (as am I) in doing an open mod class. Last year it was too hard getting everyone to run stock/19T w/rubber. Besides, I'm itching to run a 6-8 turn mod on foams.

:D

Thanks for the stock motor offer... I'm sure someone will have a stocker I can borrow if I end up running stock, but I hope to be able to run mod there.

I just talked to Frank and it looks like he'll join me on Saturday running 1/12th scale (plus we can car pool... long drive from where we live to RSJ).

He also said that AJ's has gone back to running 5 minute races for 1/12th scale... that's too bad as I like the 8 minute races, but I guess they don't want to have any kind of 'battery wars' at AJ's, which isn't a bad idea either.

As for Tinley this summer, as you know, we don't get too many electric guys, so it's nice if you can all agree on what to run, but I suppose one way to make everyone fall into one class is to just run 'open'... anything goes that way, and you'll all be in one class for sure.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
We don't have a schedule yet. I'll make sure it is posted here when we make the decision (as well as on our web site, of course). For now, we're still trying to work out a deal for new asphalt, and that might dictate our opening day.


WOW!!

Delayed is ok for new Asphalt. HTOp had redone their asphlat last year. The floor was great. Tinley might be better if the asphalt will be done. Glad to hear that!!! Hopefully, more Super, 835, or 8th scale this season.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

im in the process of making a trade for the new yokomo 12th scale, the deal breaker will be when and where i can race it, cause id like to keep racing 1/8th scale offroad on sundays, and race onroad on fridays or saturdays. the other thing is, how often do you break a 12th scale, i know when i was racing touring cars i was breaking quite a bit once a week or every other week.
so what do you guys think, is the yokomo a good car, can i get parts somewhere around here, i know i can get liesure hours to order parts for me, but it would be nice to be able to get parts closer to where ill be racing.
soo what days and times and where are you guys racing at?, i woulda gone back and read some more of this thread but theres alot to read, i just read this page and noticed aj's is gonna run mod 8min, which sounds awesome

[Walt]

Originally posted by primuswoostinkinhoo
im in the process of making a trade for the new yokomo 12th scale, the deal breaker will be when and where i can race it, cause id like to keep racing 1/8th scale offroad on sundays, and race onroad on fridays or saturdays. the other thing is, how often do you break a 12th scale, i know when i was racing touring cars i was breaking quite a bit once a week or every other week.
so what do you guys think, is the yokomo a good car, can i get parts somewhere around here, i know i can get liesure hours to order parts for me, but it would be nice to be able to get parts closer to where ill be racing.
soo what days and times and where are you guys racing at?, i woulda gone back and read some more of this thread but theres alot to read, i just read this page and noticed aj's is gonna run mod 8min, which sounds awesome

You missed the update... AJ's is back to 5 minute mod for 1/12th scale... they don't want a battery war. Plus, AJ's runs on-road on Sundays, which doesn't sound good for you.

I think your only choice for Saturday on road racing is RSJ... their 1/12th turnout is an unknown at this point, but people claim it should get better now that the big 'Novak' race is over with.

As for maintenance of the 1/12th car, my experience has been that the 1/12th cars are among the most durable of all RC cars, and definitely more durable than a touring car. The only thing I've broken on my 1/12th car is the T-bar once, and then it's only $3 to fix it. I think that a lot of their durability comes from the fact that they are so light.

But, I don't know anything about the Yokomo car. I run the 12L3, and I know a lot of guys running the Trinity cars. I don't think I've even seen a Yokomo. At about $140 for a brand new 12L3 in the box, you'd have to be getting a pretty good deal on the Yokomo to bother with a car that will be hard to find parts for.

Whatever car you get, I hope you make it out to AJ's to run with me and Frank in 1/12th scale... it's a lot of fun.

[warpainter]

if the yokomo your lookin at has the ssg chassis forget it that chassis is not stiff enough it was designed for asphalt and as far as ajs running 8 min was glad to here but i new it was short lived from what i here rsj is a much better place to race anyways. exept for a hand ful of people (walt ,frank josh greg tony) the most of the guys out there are just there to play,smoke cigeretts or drink beer.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

while i have nothing against smoking ciggerettes and throwing back some cold ones, i do like racing, and if you didnt come to race first drink some brewskis second then i dunno bout ya lol.
anyways it is the ssg chassis, is it really gonna be that bad? ive never driven a 1/12 scale, would i really notice a differnce, im used to running mod 1/10 2wd buggy. and when i was racing touring car, i wasnt good, wasnt always last but close to it, i just like to race, winning aint a big deal, competeing is but winning isnt, so can that chassis compete or no?

[warpainter]

you probably wont be able to run with the couple faster guys out there at ajs there ws a guy out there last there that had one but it did not do that good, exept for a few guys in 12th most of the guys there are almost novices. and i dont know about rsj but i think there is a better caliber of racer there, i know that with the ssg yok sedan that chassis was just to much flex for carpet.its to bad yok didnt make that chassis thicker because im a big fan of yokomo

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

you think its something yokomo would be working on? making it stiffer and more competitive on carpet?

on another note, what kind of outdoor 1/12 action is there around here in the summer?(im in joliet by the way, a hop skip and a jump from liesures track, and just a hop from the hobby shop)

[Walt]

Originally posted by primuswoostinkinhoo
on another note, what kind of outdoor 1/12 action is there around here in the summer?(im in joliet by the way, a hop skip and a jump from liesures track, and just a hop from the hobby shop)

None. But if three or more 1/12th's showed up at the Tinley track, I'll run a class for them, but I doubt it will happen. I'm going to shelf my 1/12th car for the summer and go back to nitro power. Nothing against electric, but I'll have run electric all winter and want to do something different.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

ive been to the tinley track to watch racing a few times and it looked as if the track wasnt smooth enough to run 1/12, but i could be wrong.
i didnt do any racing on sundays last summer cause anyone running nitro was either at tinley running touring cars or in indiana running 1/8, so sundays at liesure didnt exist.

[Walt]

Originally posted by primuswoostinkinhoo
ive been to the tinley track to watch racing a few times and it looked as if the track wasnt smooth enough to run 1/12, but i could be wrong.


You're probably right, but we'd still let them run if they wanted to, and we're hoping (and fighting) for new asphalt for this summer.

[warpainter]

Originally posted by primuswoostinkinhoo
you think its something yokomo would be working on? making it stiffer and more competitive on carpet?

on another note, what kind of outdoor 1/12 action is there around here in the summer?(im in joliet by the way, a hop skip and a jump from liesures track, and just a hop from the hobby shop) i heard they were last year but havnt seen anything yet

[xsrwx]

Anyone know of any micro racing that happens on the weekends. With work it makes it difficult to make it to TP on Wed. night..

Thanks

[Walt]

Originally posted by xsrwx
Anyone know of any micro racing that happens on the weekends. With work it makes it difficult to make it to TP on Wed. night..

Thanks

I think that either AJ's or RSJ would run a micro class if at least 3 guys showed up with them (I know AJ's would because he told us he would). But Frank tried his micro at AJ's and it wan't any fun. If I can remember his quote, I think he said "it's as much fun as watching paint dry". That track is just WAY too big for a micro car, as is RSJ most likely.

Maybe HTOP should run a weekend micro race instead of Thursday night, and speaking of HTOP, how is their Thursday night micro racing going? We're really starting to pick up on Wednesday nigths in Tinley Park, even getting more and more Mini-T's.

[warpainter]

yes ajs is way to big and boring plus its hard to fit one of those big old transponders in a micro tinley and rsj both run personals, and used to go to rsj back when it was ventutre and it was a riot with micros just the right size

[warpainter]

yes ajs is way to big and boring plus its hard to fit one of those big old transponders in a micro tinley and rsj both run personals, and used to go to rsj back when it was ventutre and it was a riot with micros just the right size

[HauntedMyst]

HTOP micro racing is not going well. We have the room, we have the track, we have the computer, just no one has come to race. We've talked about it, posted it on all the boards but just haven't drawn the crowd we need. I think everyone is going to Tinley on Wednesdays. Unfortunately, weekends at HTOP are game times and the room is usually full.

[warpedouttc3]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by warpainter
yes ajs is way to big and boring plus its hard to fit one of those big old transponders in a micro tinley and rsj both run personals, and used to go to rsj back when it was ventutre and it was a riot with micros just the right size [/QUOte
We all know that you and AJ had some words and all but it is tiring to keep hearing you bash on Aj. All the people that race there are really appreciative that we have a place to race and Aj is a really good guy. He might not have the best stuff(personal transponders big deal!!!) but who really cares. He has a really good track that is big enough to really run any motor you want. He runs a good program and is very flexible. How many times has he given you more time because you weren't ready. The only down fall is that it is to far for a lot of racers. He has to deal with a lot of crap from some people that are never happy. He tries to make it fun for everyone, from the beginner to the more advanced racer. Why can't we all just get along and enjoy and be happy that we have someplace to race. The people that own these tracks aren't obviously in it to get rich, they do this for the passion of the hobby. Lets support them!!!

[thunderbt3]

i think haunted was saying that micros are way too small to run at AJ's track cuz its so big, it would be boring to watch micros. I go to NIU and have stopped by aj's before and i like it there, not boring at all, i might even go there today :p

[warpedouttc3]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
i think haunted was saying that micros are way too small to run at AJ's track cuz its so big, it would be boring to watch micros. I go to NIU and have stopped by aj's before and i like it there, not boring at all, i might even go there today :p

My post was directed at warpainter not haunted. Sorry for the confusion.

[thunderbt3]

whoops, my bad hehe, i forgot who was saying the stuff

[HauntedMyst]

If any of you micro guys are interested, I have 6 pair of brand new in box TRC Mounted Foam tires for the HPI Micro or Xray M18 for sale.

3 are Pink Mounted Fronts
3 are Magenta Mounted Rears

These go for 10 bucks a pair on Tower, I'll sell them all for $40 shipped. Paypal accepted.

[Nexus]

walt, frank, tony, rookie.

good to see you guys up at RSJ Raceways. the day went a little rough since the new amb system was just installed....usually it runs much smoother.

hope to see you guys out again or we'll try and make the trip to AJ's.

great racing.


anthony 'NEXUS' isla
Fukuyama Racing

[warpainter]

warpedout read this this will be my only reply to you or any of your post first of all read the post thru before you coment i wasnt saying anything about aj or his track aj is a good guy and his track is nice but as my post states not for micros its to big and the small cars just arent fast enough secondnly what was said between me and aj has nothing to do with you. im not stoping any body from racing there. now being that you made that user name up to take a shot at me or to try to start something on this forum im telling you i will ignore any futher remark from you ,if you have something to get off your chest call me on the phone because i know you know how to get ahold of me because i found out who you are the end

[warpedouttc3]

I didn't post to start anything with you. You keep saying that this place and that place have better caliber racers or are better places to race when you don't even go there at least that's what I heard . Look, it just reads like that and it's kind of evident about the way you feel about Aj's raceway. Take care and hope to see you soon.

[Euge]

to walt, frank, howard, tony.....thanks for coming out to RSJ Raceways. I hope you guys had fun.

Did you say AJ's has decent stock rubber turnout? like how many heats/racers total for a given day. Are they allowing brushless motors (in the stock profile) in the stock rubber class? I'm totally against mxing brushless/brushed motors.

[T-Racer]

Had fun at RJS raceway wow tite track reminds me of early days of indoor racing. Little spoil by Aj's and our home nitro track at Tinley wide open spaces. Had some older racers there i had not seen in yearss o that was nice.

About Aj's I ave not seen a Brushless motor there. there are about 3 or 4 stock rubber heats with about 6 in each heat. pretty good competion and the race program runs pretty smooth.

I hope your right about rjs system being new it was kinda slow
Like i would like to fall asleep ZZZZZZZZ lol

T-racer

[Nexus]

tracer.


euge and i are thinking about heading up to AJ's this sunday for some racing. can you verify if these times are correct.

SUNDAY 9:00AM - 6:00PM

what time does the racing start?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
to walt, frank, howard, tony.....thanks for coming out to RSJ Raceways. I hope you guys had fun.



I had some fun, but I don't think that place is for me. Long drive first of all (further than AJ's for me). It was also just too late of a night for me... I know... Frank will call me a wimp (not his 'exact' word), but I go to bed early and get up early, so racing at midnight was tough, in fact, I think I fell asleep during my main, as I somewhat remember just driving straight into a board all by myself.. no explanation for that other than 'brain fade'.

Frank and I were severely outclassed in stock 1/12th... appearantly we've got something to learn about those motors, or we need better batteries or something... we were getting creamed coming out of the turns and down the straight. I was getting passed on the straight like I had the brakes on, PLUS I was dumping in the last 30 seconds or so. I think I understand now why AJ wants to hold races at the 5 minute length, because to win an 8 minute race, you need GOOD stuff.

I know they had new software out there, and probably a bigger turnout than normal, but there were some problems. First of all, there were kids there running the wrong way on the track during practice and laughing about how they can break the 'little' cars... I didn't find that funny at all.

As a fellow race director, one of my biggest pet peaves is when the race director waits for the one guy who isn't ready to race... that adds at least an hour to an event like this.. start the races at EXACLTY 5 minutes apart, even if the 15 year old local hot shot isn't ready yet (I pick on him because he was at least 3 minutes late for every single race he was in)... too bad! You better believe they will all be ready next round when you don't wait for them just once.

I run my races exactly on time, no matter who isn't ready, and amazingly, everyone is ready, and it's because they know I won't wait, and in the end, everyone appreciates it when you get in three rounds, not two, and you get home on time.

I don't want this to start sounding like I'm bashing the place, because it's fun and he must be doing something right to get a turnout, but why oh why did he waste so much of his limited space with those permanent islands? There is just no room to move out of the racing line to let a faster guy go by, let alone make a competitive pass. I'll never understand that... the racing line could have been exactly the same with a PVC track, but there would be much more space 'off line'. I can see fancy islands when you've got room to spare, but he doesn't have room to spare there.

I'll probably come back, but not if I can race during the day somewhere else. And I talked to some of the fast 1/12th guys, and they said they'd rather run AJ's too, so hopefully we'll start seeing them on Sundays.

It was nice to see some guys who I haven't seen since summer, and I hope I'll get to see you guys again soon (either at AJ's or RSJ).

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
tracer.


euge and i are thinking about heading up to AJ's this sunday for some racing. can you verify if these times are correct.

SUNDAY 9:00AM - 6:00PM

what time does the racing start?

You've got the times right. Racing starts at noon, and racing usually ends by about 5pm, but of course, that depends on turnout... and there probably won't be much turnout this Sunday, as I hear there is some football game happening (I know I won't be able to make it).

[Rookie Solara]

Euge, Nexus, Walt, Frank and Tony............thanks for the good time and help...............I had a great time on SAT night (except really getting sleepy after 10:00pm.......I was suppose to sleep with the baby on my arm around that time)

I did extremely good on the 12th scale......finished dead last, and finished 1 qualifier..........for me, that is a HUGH step from stay-in home dad to RC racer again...

I wish I can do more in the near future..........but at RSJ, I am with Walt, it is just too hard for me to race there (that means I am not good enough, yes...I know).......but if I do have a TC, that I think I will enjoy at there more...at least I know something about setting up the car, but in case I am heading to TC band wagon in the near future, I have to have someone like Euge or NEXUS to promise to about tunning motor.............cause I am not planning to BUY all those fancy DYNO, lathe, this or that.......all I can buy is HOTDOG, 6 packs or some cheap chinese hooker if NEXUS promised me not to arrest me............(In trade to clean or tune my motor...)

If I have helps like that....I am sure Winter season at RSJ next year will be TC for me....

[mab_man20]

Im glad you guys could make it out finally. Im gonna have to step in and vouch for Rick and Willy. Usually the races are run like clock work and waiting is never more than the 1 minute upon request grace period. The reason most of the races got off to a slow start was because the track transponders where not getting enough charge between uses so after a few rounds they would miss laps. That combined with a brand new computer and software had the guys running things ready to pull their hair out (im sure youve experienced this walt, i know i have. The equipment simply decides not to do what its supposed to do).

As for passing, after racing there for a while there are plenty of places to pass, its just a different mindset than at a larger track. IMO its more like real racing, youve got to either wait for the guy to leave the line or you have to get underneath him and brake late and hard. Most racers know well enough to hold their line and avoid contact in such a situation.

[Euge]

Walt,
I haven't raced 12th scale, but sounds like you could be massively undergeared. Aren't you running GP3300's? You should have no problem making runtime with a stock motor. I've never seen a 12th scale stock car dump even after 8 minutes. Now, if you were massively undergeared, you'd get smoked on the straight and wouldn't make runtime. (imagine the extreme example where your car is going super slow but motor is going at top RPM). Remember that you typically gear a stock motor higher than a mod motor.

Howard,
Get a TC!!! They're cooler! :P

As for RSJ, I agree with Mabman, the track has places to pass, you just have to know where. I love the wide lanes as much as the next guy, but in real life, most road courses are not 10-15 car widths wide! :D Yeah, sometimes I do wish the lanes were wider, but I definitely think the tighter track (more technical) has taught me a lot about racing and has made me a better driver. It's like the islands.....yeah, it sucks that they don't move and it sucks to break, but over time you learn to respect them and you pay more attention to the good line and not throwing it in with reckless abandon. Now, I think it definitely is tough for the novices who don't have the control over their cars that more experienced drivers have. I remember watching some beginners at TP hit the inside wall, then travel 10 feet to the outside wall, then bounce back 10 feet to the inside wall again, and I'm thinking.......how the heck are they even hitting any of the walls?Maybe with a tighter track, they'd learn more throttle control. There are pluses and minuses I agree, and you aren't going to please everyone. Personally, I probably wouldn't have done the islands, but they do look cool. :)

[Euge]

man, it's going to suck if Nexus and I come to AJ's this sunday and no one is racing because of the super bowl which doesn't even start till after racing. does anyone even care who wins? ;) oh well, I'm still up for racing on sunday.

[Euge]

went to aj's last sunday with nexus. was a pretty cool place. nice and open. defintely going to have to run 19T foam though. that place is huge

[Walt]

As I stated on other forums, I like RSJ, but I don't think it's bad when racers tell the owner what they think... that's how we know what changes to make to make our business even better.

The exact same track could be set up with PVC but with more room 'off line', so I don't understand how that makes the track less 'technical'? The fast line remains exactly the same.

Enough about RSJ. I told him what I thought about the islands (in a constructive way), and he didn't seem to mind the feedback, as he shouldn't. I'd encourage all racers to tell the race director/track owner what they dislike as well as what they like. It's only through feedback that we can make improvements. If you like the islands, tell him that. If you don't, then tell him that also.

I haven't been to AJ's for several weeks now because of other important Sunday activities, but I will be there this Sunday (as if my being there or not being there has any influence on other's.. boy I think highly of myself, huh?) I hope to see some of you there.

[Euge]

I'm sure Rick does appreciate the feedback. I'm sure most owners do. I don't really have an opinion on the islands. I don't love them or hate them.
AJ's was pretty cool. Peeps there said the attendance was about half of what it normally was. I had a good time there. I wish instead of those frequency rings, they would use clips. I can't tell you how many times I turned my radio upside down and the ring would slide off without my knowing.

[warpainter]

i kind of like those rings but then i dont do handstands on the drivers stand. hehehe

[Walt]

I, too, was wondering how his radio was ending up upside-down... must be doing something I don't do...

[Euge]

somehow I walk with it upsidedown. didn't really realize I did it until I noticed the ring on the floor.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
somehow I walk with it upsidedown. didn't really realize I did it until I noticed the ring on the floor.

Not sure you're looking for a solution here, but how about you put his ring on your antenna, and then put a normal clip (that you provide) on the antenna above the ring? Am I a good engineer or what?

[Euge]

heheheheheheh
I wasn't looking for a solution. Just saying I liked AJ's and that was the only thing I didn't like, and even that was nit picking.
That's a pretty good solution though. Otherwise I was going to use the ring like a nose ring and then I'd never lose it. Also, I'm pretty sure people wouldn't mind if I kept the frequency all day. :D

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Not sure you're looking for a solution here, but how about you put his ring on your antenna, and then put a normal clip (that you provide) on the antenna above the ring? Am I a good engineer or what?

That will required a permit.............otherwise, I will report to FCC about the illegal construction of the radio use antenna.

Walt...you want opinion about your track.......? I think you should try those island at TP for this season......I bet you would love it.

Rubbing and cleaning the RC cars in the basement without leaving home and race them SUCKS.........my life sucks, and whoever can race on weekend SUCKS..............:D

[xxx mike]

Wookie Sowawa, what engine did you have in your super at the Michigan HPI challenge?

[Nexus]

AJ's was cool....i'll have to practice using foams then return to run 19T up there.

yea...i dropped that frequency ring 3 times when i was up there....weird...maybe it's an asian 'ting'

[thunderbt3]

whats up guys, i got a post on the sell fourm for my ntc3 rtr, if guys know of anyone looking for a mildly upgraded entry level car hit me up at thunderbt3@hotmail.com

rookie, i dunno if i wanna ebay it yet, anyone thinking about running the new FT ntc3 this summer?

[Walt]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Wookie Sowawa, what engine did you have in your super at the Michigan HPI challenge?

I'm pretty sure that's the engine that I borrowed for the main and then bought from Rookie for the Vegas World Finals (to run in the borrowed R40).. that engine SCREAMED!!.. until I blew the thing in the main in Vegas, but mine was the fastest car on the track until I blew the exhaust gasket, and then shortly after, the lower connecting rod bushing.

It is a Novarossi RS12T5... turbo plug, 5 port. I'll be rebuilding it as spring approaches and running it in my NTC3 every once in a while.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I'm pretty sure that's the engine that I borrowed for the main and then bought from Rookie for the Vegas World Finals (to run in the borrowed R40).. that engine SCREAMED!!.. until I blew the thing in the main in Vegas, but mine was the fastest car on the track until I blew the exhaust gasket, and then shortly after, the lower connecting rod bushing.

It is a Novarossi RS12T5... turbo plug, 5 port. I'll be rebuilding it as spring approaches and running it in my NTC3 every once in a while.

Walt, once I have time, I will take a quick look of the NOVA MEGA spec and see which 5 port P/S and Conrod are the same (or close to the same) for your RS-12.......to be honest, to get a new set of P/S from Nova ROSSI...............you might as well sell the engine for someone for parts (you can get around $50-60 on ebay) then invest another $150 for a new designed Nova Mega SS 5 port (1.9HP@ 40,000 rpm) from Albert (you know he can get you good price on all Serpent Nova Mega stuff).......

I got the Nova Rossi from HK, over there, Nova Rossi or Nova MAX are everywhere........but here, you can only deal with TRINITY and thier typical 50% markups............

If you do the math right....conrod is like $40, P/S is like another $100-130.....that is almost a new engine already....not to mention, new button, and bearing might be busted already, that is something I don't even want to deal with, remove and re-install both bearing required some special tools, heating and this and that....too much trouble.

New Nova Mega 12 SS 3 port or 5 port are about $220 to $250 range.......and they are 1.8HP and 1.9HP.

Just cannot believe 4 years ago, 12 engine can only do 1.0-1.3HP range.

I still believe run 1 new engine for 1 full season, sell it, and get another new engine is the best deal, likea leasing a car.

On the other topic regarding 2 stroke engine will be banned in USA in 2006, Serpent released this articles........buy your 2 stroke engine on your own risk.

http://www.mytsn.com/publ/publmem.asp?pid=9549

[Walt]

I went through my stash of Novarossi parts, and found a piston and connnecting rod in good shape that will work in the 5-port, for now at least. I haven't run it yet, but if it runs strongly, I'll just leave it for now. If not, I'll probably take the advice and just scrap it and get a new one.

Oh, and regarding the 'islands', we probably could do islands on our track in Tinley, but that's because we're running the same size cars (1/10th touring mostly) on a track that is WAY, WAY bigger than RSJ's indoor track. Other people are complaining that the islands are too 'solid' or whatever... that doesn't bother me. I'm bothered by the fact that they are a waste of precious space on a track as small as that one is.

Actually, I'm open for suggestions for how to build our Tinley track this summer. Assuming we manage to get the new asphalt like we hope (it's not etched in stone yet, but it's still looking good), we'll be able to leave the track set up all summer long. The track I built for last year is very easy to set up and take down, but it really wasn't designed to be left up all summer.

If anyone has any ideas of how we might set up a configurable, but durable, track let me know. The problems we will have with our current boards are that they will rott if left in the rain all summer (maybe can be fixed with a lot of paint). The main problem is that our boards move when they are hit... not a problem on a Sunday race, because the marshals or me can push them back into proper position before they get bent far enough to break the connection points, but if I leave the track set up all summer, during the week when people practice there I can't count on them to keep pushing things into place, and if they don't, the boards will eventually snap.

This racing area will still be a parking lot over the winter months, so I can't put down concrete curbs or anything else totally permanent.

I also can't put out anything that would be valuable that could easily be stollen. I'm thinking of doing what AJ's did, but I don't like the idea of putting holes in the asphalt, because in the winter they will fill with water, freeze and possibly cause asphalt damage.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt, I was just kidding...........island at TP with Nitro car including 1/8th possibly? How long you thing those island will last...? Or if you make those island strong enough to stand the impact, that means something must give....and our RC car is the last thing we want to see broken.

Leave the board and dots on the track, no one are actually complainting except those who put them on the track and take them off the track, who is you probably.

Are we going to leave the track on the weekdays too? With night lights this year?

I look at the Nova Mega site, the ABC set of the 5 port turbo running around $150.......again, I would not invest $150 for the P/S instead of buying a new 3 port turbo for only $200.

[Walt]

We won't have lights this year, but I hope to leave the track set up all week long for two reasons: no need for me to be out there at 5am on Sunday to set up, and ability for people to run some daylight practice during the week. So I need to come up with something that will survive being outside all summer long.

[xxx mike]

Thanks Walt

tanks wookie



I am really looking foward to Tinley again.

It's sad that the T5 blew up on you walt, that thing was very fast. Hopefully it's still good after the quick "fix" with other novarossi parts. I wonder if that engine was just a fluke, or if all the T5's were like that... I remember you saying (and I tend to agree) that some engines are just faster than other ones for one reason or another. Maybe that engine was just one of the gifted ones. :/

[thunderbt3]

Originally posted by Walt
I'm thinking of doing what AJ's did, but I don't like the idea of putting holes in the asphalt, because in the winter they will fill with water, freeze and possibly cause asphalt damage.

Walt, at my work, we sometimes have to pound stakes though asphalt to put big tents up, im talking 60x120 tents that are 40 ft high. When we go to take tents down, we bring a bag of sand and these asphalt plugs. we just fill the holes with sand then pound the plug in, they are bigger than the hole so they fit very snuggly and they completely cover the hole

[Walt]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
Walt, at my work, we sometimes have to pound stakes though asphalt to put big tents up, im talking 60x120 tents that are 40 ft high. When we go to take tents down, we bring a bag of sand and these asphalt plugs. we just fill the holes with sand then pound the plug in, they are bigger than the hole so they fit very snuggly and they completely cover the hole

Can you then get those plugs back out if you ever needed too? In your case, they probably just drive new stakes each time they pitch a tent, but we'd probably like to reuse the same holes each summer for our track barriers.

[thunderbt3]

i dont think we can get the plugs out, its meant to seal the hole to prevent any water from getting in. you are correct about the tent thing, we just find where the plug was from the previous year and thats where we pound the stake in, err......more like jack hammering it in hehe.

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Walt
We won't have lights this year, but I hope to leave the track set up all week long for two reasons: no need for me to be out there at 5am on Sunday to set up, and ability for people to run some daylight practice during the week. So I need to come up with something that will survive being outside all summer long.

Walt I know there is PVC pipe that is UV rated and will hold up to weather but not very forgiving on cars hitting at full throttle. also the pipe is rather $$$. I think if you are going to try and find something maitenance free for the entire summer it may end up costing more than ripped down plywood. Maybe just exterior grade plywood with a good thick coat of paint will last. My shed was made of plywood and it is over 10 years old and it is still standing today. How many guys you know with portable table saws, I know you know at least 1......I'm looking forward to 2004 season at TP...... Does anybody know if HTOP gonna be up a running this summer??

Rex

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Rubbing and cleaning the RC cars in the basement without leaving home and race them SUCKS.........my life sucks, and whoever can race on weekend SUCKS..............:D

Rookie take a nap you need it..........:D ........those 3AM feedings and diaper changes are going to your head........

[wrxdan]

Looks like me and rookie will be hanging out together changing diapers and feeds rather then racing:)

Some time in Oct. I will be a dad X 2:eek:

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by wrxdan
Looks like me and rookie will be hanging out together changing diapers and feeds rather then racing:)

Some time in Oct. I will be a dad X 2:eek:

You guys still need a few more before you catch up to me and I do mean a FEW ......and I still have some time to race........:D.......

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
Looks like me and rookie will be hanging out together changing diapers and feeds rather then racing:)

Some time in Oct. I will be a dad X 2:eek:

Wow...Congrat.......and now, you are very much SET...no RC untill you are 65 or your kids are 21....whatever come first.

As much as I want to another child............I have to convince wife to think taking care J-Lo is FUN.......she said she will never have another child, over her dead body......

I am sure I will be off RC for several years......so I will have to part out my RC stuff soon...

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Rkmori
You guys still need a few more before you catch up to me and I do mean a FEW ......and I still have some time to race........:D.......

Buddy, I need DETAILS< and your operation manual of HOW IN THE HELL you can still RC when you have 4 kids including a 8 months old....?

Really, I need that BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD........

P.S.....if I have time to RC, I will probably get the R40.......Serpent just announced a 20% increase price on EVERYTHING....710 is getting very expensive now, not to mention their overpriced parts are also increased........

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Wow...Congrat.......and now, you are very much SET...no RC untill you are 65 or your kids are 21....whatever come first.

As much as I want to another child............I have to convince wife to think taking care J-Lo is FUN.......she said she will never have another child, over her dead body......

I am sure I will be off RC for several years......so I will have to part out my RC stuff soon...

First of all, women forget how bad having a baby is, that's how any woman ends up with multiple kids. Don't worry, it will happen.

And you don't have to give up RC forever here... my son is 1 year old now, and I'm pretty much back to racing on Sundays. You can do it Rookie! Even if it means finding a Sunday baby sitter.. that way both you and your wife can have Sunday off.

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Wow...Congrat.......and now, you are very much SET...no RC untill you are 65 or your kids are 21....whatever come first.

As much as I want to another child............I have to convince wife to think taking care J-Lo is FUN.......she said she will never have another child, over her dead body......

I am sure I will be off RC for several years......so I will have to part out my RC stuff soon...

Tell her it gets better. My 2year old is in her room watching a movie by herself right now. My NTC3 is sitting right next to me as I'm trying to decide what to do with it.

1. keep it and race it when it's out of date. ( maybe fit a few races this summer but having a pregnant wife in the middle of the summer heat may be a deadly combo for me.

2. Sell it and lose some money. What's a used TC3/MT12 go for? Plus extras like starter box and stuff.


It's really a cool car and I would hate to see it go, but it's useless to me without racing it. Everything else is too bumpy
.

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Buddy, I need DETAILS< and your operation manual of HOW IN THE HELL you can still RC when you have 4 kids including a 8 months old....?

Really, I need that BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD........

P.S.....if I have time to RC, I will probably get the R40.......Serpent just announced a 20% increase price on EVERYTHING....710 is getting very expensive now, not to mention their overpriced parts are also increased........

I gave up my motorcycle for the sake of home, Family, Kids, life..........so I guess there was contrast there.....I kept the safer hobby. but I did make a promise to somday get my Roadking or Softtail.........I'm sure this will be when the last one is finished being a finalcial parasite.......some 20 years from now.......but untill then there is the smell of nitro on sunday mornings to look forward too.......(......ummmm.........when it warms up.....:(......)

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Walt
First of all, women forget how bad having a baby is, that's how any woman ends up with multiple kids. Don't worry, it will happen.

And you don't have to give up RC forever here... my son is 1 year old now, and I'm pretty much back to racing on Sundays. You can do it Rookie! Even if it means finding a Sunday baby sitter.. that way both you and your wife can have Sunday off.

Or on your off sundays, or Saturdays you need to pay 120% attention to wife, child........this way 100% for racing does not seem bad......but as far as the women forgetting, I don't know about that, I think it is more the loss of dependence as the child grows older. My oldest is now 14 yo......trust me the last thing he wants is help from MOMMY.... I see Di having to let go.....with age comes independence and it starts from day 1 of child developement....the 2 yo (youngest) is starting to want to do things for himself and doesn't want mom (or dad) to help......and as more independence comes the more racing there will be.....!!!!

[mab_man20]

Ive emerged from my dark corner long enough to let you guys know whats going on.

Im gonna be talking with chris and fred this week to figure out the plans for the summer at HTOP.

Im gonna be running nitro this year (but im still an electric guy! lol) it should be interesting if i can keep my engine running long enough to keep up with walt, rookie, dan, and anthony.

Ill start checking this thread again now that the outdoor season is rapidly approaching.


I feel sorry for you guys with kids and hope you can still find time to race this summer. Youth is great! lol

[Nexus]

mab.

htop thoughts...

just wondering if this year you could make the track bigger. alot of space is not being used on the east side of the lot. you could probably come up with some crazy layouts if you were able to use more of the parking lot.

[kakolitoy]

I feel sorry for you guys with kids and hope you can still find time to race this summer. Youth is great! lol



Date for TP, and HTOp would be great so I can set my schedules.

I know Youth is awesome, I did had my share!!!! Most of the time shop Rc and clothes not worrying about any bills to pay. But, its not bad to start early for the future. I have 3 jobs (Including 35 hrs. in the shop. Actually, having fun fixing cars and getting paid, Home health care, and Caddy), 12 credit hour in school, @ least 4 to 5 hours of GYM per week, and G.F. Men!! I just realized that is a lot of activities. My GF and I are planning to buy a home hopefully before the end of the year. I check the houses @ TP. Nice new homes, reasonable prices, and most of all about 10 min. away from the track :) Racing would be great in the summer because I do not have anymore class to take. My point is saving for the future will be an advantage so we can race more frequently. BTW, my brother live @ N.Y.C. now becuase of great offer. I already missed him and I will miss racing with him :(

[Walt]

As far as Tinley Park racing goes, we'll probably start our season the first weekend of May. That would be off road opening day on Saturday May 1st and onroad on Sunday May 2nd. Starting earlier for us is difficult because the winter bowling leagues run through the end of April, so we need to be out of the parking lot early to allow room for the bowlers to park. Once May hits, we don't have any deadline for getting out of the way.

Tony G. is going to get the off road track up and running this season. He's been running our Micro racing for over a year now, so he's well qualified for the job. The off road track will be moved out of the beer garden (where we just never had quite enough space) and into the back where we have more space than we can possibly need.

I'll be running the on-road racing again, and I'm looking forward to it. There is still a good chance that we'll have brand new asphalt for this season, so keep your fingers crossed.

I'll keep everyone here posted as we get any official word regarding new asphalt and/or our official opening day.

[Rkmori]

Alright!!! time to unbury the R40 (or should I say find the box it was packed in) Im totally looking forward to racing this year with some new gear. ....... RE: Racing with a new family its all about compromise and balance....sure you have to give up a few race dates but you would run into that even without kids....unless you are a orphan without a family of any kind.......I would like to know how Mack races r/c and his 911........All I know is that his wife is with him every time.......is that one heck of a compromise or what?!?!

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Ive emerged from my dark corner long enough to let you guys know whats going on.

Im gonna be talking with chris and fred this week to figure out the plans for the summer at HTOP.

Im gonna be running nitro this year (but im still an electric guy! lol) it should be interesting if i can keep my engine running long enough to keep up with walt, rookie, dan, and anthony.

Ill start checking this thread again now that the outdoor season is rapidly approaching.


I feel sorry for you guys with kids and hope you can still find time to race this summer. Youth is great! lol

Dark Corner?.........um you mean the HTOP Dungeon, suggestion could we get a good mix of tech tracks and challenging but fast layouts? I like them all but sometimes to be able open it up is just as fun.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Rkmori
........... would like to know how Mack races r/c and his 911........All I know is that his wife is with him every time.......is that one heck of a compromise or what?!?!

Wait Rex........there are 2 things that I don't (and I am sure you don't) have compare to MACK...

#1 - the Porsche 911 (yeah, not the 1/18th scale, the real 911)

#2 - a wife/baby that go to race with their husband.

I never did have any of those, and never EXPECT will have that either.....

Now what.............?

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Wait Rex........there are 2 things that I don't (and I am sure you don't) have compare to MACK...

#1 - the Porsche 911 (yeah, not the 1/18th scale, the real 911)

#2 - a wife/baby that go to race with their husband.

I never did have any of those, and never EXPECT will have that either.....

Now what.............?

Ok, listen to Zen Master............breath deeply............now try to achieve balance........ harmony ............and compromise with wife and daughter .........no take ,take........, Give Take,.......if necessary if met with resistance give a little more and a little more, and when opportunity to take comes to you........grab it and run like hell straight to the track...don't look back or ask questions...............LOL:D

[wrxdan]

Hey Howard I think I heard Mab say that HTOP is doing all ovals this year just like the Daytona 500:)

jk

[mab_man20]

Originally posted by wrxdan
Hey Howard I think I heard Mab say that HTOP is doing all ovals this year just like the Daytona 500:)

jk

No i wouldnt do only ovals. Id do at least one week of a figure 8 destruction derby. lol

Nexus: Id love to make it bigger, but visibility starts getting really bad in the far corner. To fix that we would have to get a drivers stand which has been a issue we have wrestled with every year and still dont have a good solution.

Rex: Ill try to open up a few of them under one condition: no one complains when they are too tight or too open. There will be tracks you hate and some you love, get used to it; everyone is running on the same track. Not to be a dick or anything, it just seems that every week someone doesnt like the track and wants something changed.

[Nexus]

mab...i see alot of pics of parking lot tracks in CA...some just use step stools or chairs that people bring on their own. it's probably not a bad idea...plus driving from that corner is weird sometimes because of the angles...then when your car is in the far side the other drivers can be in your line of vision.


just a thought.

:)

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by mab_man20
No i wouldnt do only ovals. Id do at least one week of a figure 8 destruction derby. lol

Nexus: Id love to make it bigger, but visibility starts getting really bad in the far corner. To fix that we would have to get a drivers stand which has been a issue we have wrestled with every year and still dont have a good solution.

Rex: Ill try to open up a few of them under one condition: no one complains when they are too tight or too open. There will be tracks you hate and some you love, get used to it; everyone is running on the same track. Not to be a dick or anything, it just seems that every week someone doesnt like the track and wants something changed.

Like and dislikes is part of the race in that I realize that not every track will be to my (or other people's) liking, and you are probably right that somebody will always "remark" about the layout, I think too that, "that" comes with the trerritory of being the person to run the track. You can only take the 80/20 rule, but its up to you to decide to take the "remarks" of the 20% as a personal jab or "suggestion". I really don't think people hate your layouts because if that was the case ppl would not be coming back. Even if you built a track perfect in every turn , made it free ppl will always have their comments. You just can't take it personally. I was just making the "sugestion" mixing up the layouts rather than making it all tech. or all fast......but again it was ONLY a Sugestion........so.......relax man...........

Re: Drivers stand, I looked into the HD racks (like the one used at the and Mich. HPI Challenge) the vert. supports would be too large to store not to mention, to carry up and down the stairs every other weekend. At the end of last season I did build a 18 x 24 x 12 wood box for Danny and Tony (since they are vertically challenged) to stand on, that seem to help them a lot, also it makes a good tote box for all the stuff we carry. I may try using it this season too but I'm afraid that I will be in the way of other drivers, and I don't want to piss off my fellow drivers.

[Euge]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Nexus: Id love to make it bigger, but visibility starts getting really bad in the far corner. To fix that we would have to get a drivers stand which has been a issue we have wrestled with every year and still dont have a good solution.


I agree with mabman here. Last time I was at HTOP, everyone rushes to get that corner on the driver's stand. I was the last one, so I was stuck on the very end. and visibility was very poor from my spot when my car would enter the far corner where all the other drivers were in my line of sight.

Yeah, I could bring a box or stool to stand on, but what if everyone else did the same thing. We'd be back where we started. I would love to see a bigger track, but then you run into the drivers stand issue.

I guess the only solution would be to run to that corner of the drivers stand and make sure you're the first one there!

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Euge
I agree with mabman here. Last time I was at HTOP, everyone rushes to get that corner on the driver's stand. I was the last one, so I was stuck on the very end. and visibility was very poor from my spot when my car would enter the far corner where all the other drivers were in my line of sight.

Yeah, I could bring a box or stool to stand on, but what if everyone else did the same thing. We'd be back where we started. I would love to see a bigger track, but then you run into the drivers stand issue.

I guess the only solution would be to run to that corner of the drivers stand and make sure you're the first one there!

Or perhaps give us with boxes the option to stand else where around the track. but actually the additional 18" in hieght can change the perspective of the track enough to where SOME of the blind spots can be eliminated. there is also the issue of ppl pitting and walking right at the edge of the track. I have lost sight of my car many times that way. If anybody cares to help and donate time and material with me, lets build a small movable (for storage) drivers stand in the exsisting locaton about 20" high, ( basically just a large box or 2 or 3) ramped slightly so the the person closer to the gate (furthest from the corner) can see over everybody else. I have all necessary power tools to build, I would just need somebody to share the cost with.

Mab: do you still need a monitor, I have a extra 1 or 2 I need to get rid of......I'll mke sure they work.......

[mab_man20]

Rex: That last post was in no way directed at you nor was i angry while typing. I appreciate the comment, i was just stating that its frustraiting. I know people arent attacking me personally, but i wish people would ask me if we could move something rather than telling me "that board has to go!"

I like the chair idea, ill get everyone to sign liabilty wavers so if someone falls its not our fault. lol. But then pit space gets cut back. There will be more space up on the platform, and then more down at the far end, the middle section will be a computer/drivers area. This should also stop the issue of people walking in front of the drivers. What do people think?

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Rex: That last post was in no way directed at you nor was i angry while typing. I appreciate the comment, i was just stating that its frustraiting. I know people arent attacking me personally, but i wish people would ask me if we could move something rather than telling me "that board has to go!"

I like the chair idea, ill get everyone to sign liabilty wavers so if someone falls its not our fault. lol. But then pit space gets cut back. There will be more space up on the platform, and then more down at the far end, the middle section will be a computer/drivers area. This should also stop the issue of people walking in front of the drivers. What do people think?

I don't care where I pit from as long as we can get electricity to our pits. as far as the chair.....I think A wood crate or build a short (12"-18" Tall) platform would be more stable. A person falling from a chair and breaking a leg is more likely to occur.

[kakolitoy]

If I can leave my Pavarotti podium (Soprano Lalalalalalllaaaaaa!!!) in the basement that would be great!!!

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
If I can leave my Pavarotti podium (Soprano Lalalalalalllaaaaaa!!!) in the basement that would be great!!!

I'm just throwing out Ideas...........whatever......I'll still race........ just because it's FUN!!!!! And I like hanging out with everybody.....and that is what it's all about......:D

Mab: I never took it personally trust me on that one.....lifes too short to sweat the small stuff........

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rkmori
I'm just throwing out Ideas...........whatever......I'll still race........ just because it's FUN!!!!! And I like hanging out with everybody.....and that is what it's all about......:D

Mab: I never took it personally trust me on that one.....lifes too short to sweat the small stuff........

REX: I am not criticizing your thought. I am literally asking Mike if I can leave my small podium in HTOP for the rest of the season. I will probably put it on top of the cart where they put the 4/4. I will take it home when the season is over.

So! Mike can we leave our chairs, podium, modified wood, and whatever we want to use to stand etc. in the basement for the rest of the season?

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
REX: I am not criticizing your thought. I am literally asking Mike if I can leave my small podium in HTOP for the rest of the season. I will probably put it on top of the cart where they put the 4/4. I will take it home when the season is over.

So! Mike can we leave our chairs, podium, modified wood, and whatever we want to use to stand etc. in the basement for the rest of the season?

:o .......oh.................That would be a good idea.......rather than sluffing it back and forth.....Mike can we????

[Walt]

Originally posted by mab_man20
I like the chair idea, ill get everyone to sign liabilty wavers so if someone falls its not our fault. lol. But then pit space gets cut back. There will be more space up on the platform, and then more down at the far end, the middle section will be a computer/drivers area. This should also stop the issue of people walking in front of the drivers. What do people think?

Here's what I'd do in your situation (well, actually, I'd build a driver's stand out of a trailer and drive it to the track on Sundays.... that's what I 'did', but assuming you are looking for a super low cost solution)... anyways, the problem is visibility in that corner (the south/east corner). With all the drivers standing right up against that fence, the guy on the far left (Euge) can't see past the other drivers, especially if one of the other drivers leans forward.

What I would do is tie a rope to the fence at the far left of the 'driver's stand', right in front of where Euge is standing, and then tie it on the far right side of the stand about a foot or two south of the front fence (back from the front). Tie it really taught and tell the drivers not to stand in front of the rope. Now you've essentially 'angled' the driver's stand a little so Euge can see. Oh, even better than a rope... get a cheap nylon strap like for holding stuff in a pickup... the kind with the hooks on the ends and a little racheting tensioner thing... you'd be able to get the 'rope' really taught that way.

Also, get a big roll of that police tape or caution tape or whatever and tie that to the same spot on the 'north/south' fence where you tied the rope (Nexus can supply), and then stretch it across to the far south/east corner of the track... no one is to pit or walk or exist in front of that tape during a race, because it defines the line of sight from the driver's stand to the far corner of the track.

Or, if you really want better visibility, just come to my track instead (sorry... had to put that in there... just kidding). Let me know if you need a better explanation of what the heck I'm talking about.

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Walt
Here's what I'd do in your situation (well, actually, I'd build a driver's stand out of a trailer and drive it to the track on Sundays.... that's what I 'did', but assuming you are looking for a super low cost solution)... anyways, the problem is visibility in that corner (the south/east corner). With all the drivers standing right up against that fence, the guy on the far left (Euge) can't see past the other drivers, especially if one of the other drivers leans forward.

What I would do is tie a rope to the fence at the far left of the 'driver's stand', right in front of where Euge is standing, and then tie it on the far right side of the stand about a foot or two south of the front fence (back from the front). Tie it really taught and tell the drivers not to stand in front of the rope. Now you've essentially 'angled' the driver's stand a little so Euge can see. Oh, even better than a rope... get a cheap nylon strap like for holding stuff in a pickup... the kind with the hooks on the ends and a little racheting tensioner thing... you'd be able to get the 'rope' really taught that way.

Also, get a big roll of that police tape or caution tape or whatever and tie that to the same spot on the 'north/south' fence where you tied the rope (Nexus can supply), and then stretch it across to the far south/east corner of the track... no one is to pit or walk or exist in front of that tape during a race, because it defines the line of sight from the driver's stand to the far corner of the track.

Or, if you really want better visibility, just come to my track instead (sorry... had to put that in there... just kidding). Let me know if you need a better explanation of what the heck I'm talking about.

That sound like a good idea, the nice thing about your Drivers stand Walt, is that it also puts the drivers line of sight about 12 ft (?) above the track surface, where as at HTOP we are only about 8 or 9........even less if you are vertically challenged.....

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rkmori
That sound like a good idea, the nice thing about your Drivers stand Walt, is that it also puts the drivers line of sight about 12 ft (?) above the track surface, where as at HTOP we are only about 8 or 9........even less if you are vertically challenged.....

We also learned quickly that we can't run the track right up to the driver's stand... we need to keep the track back about 5 or 6 feet to help make sure everyone will be able to see past the other drivers, even if one of the other drivers leans forward a little (but not a lot).

[Euge]

I really like walt's idea of tieing a rope so that it angles the drivers so that the guy in the corner is essentially a step or two back and that way no one blocks anyone's view. I remember driving at HTOP and having to lean waaaaay over to see past the four guys to my right that are also leaning over, albeit not as much.

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Euge
I really like walt's idea of tieing a rope so that it angles the drivers so that the guy in the corner is essentially a step or two back and that way no one blocks anyone's view. I remember driving at HTOP and having to lean waaaaay over to see past the four guys to my right that are also leaning over, albeit not as much.

buy 1 of these and stand behind the rest of the drivers......If you fall sue the ladder maker for not print a warning label stating "Not For R/C Car Use"....get millions in settlements and open your own track. ....there problem solved.......... but seriously Mike can we bring something like this and just stay behind those who don't have them? I don't plan to store it there.

[mab_man20]

Walt: I understand what your saying. Oh and i do plan to race at Tinley this year, everyone agrees that HTOP is just a great time and not the national champs.

kakolitoy: What dimensions is it and will you be willing to lug it up and down the stairs every race day?


I personally like using crates or chairs because it will give better visability of the whole track. If we do do something like this, then we will supply enough for each racer so one racer isnt purched up on a ladder (walt...lol) or something else significantly higher than the rest of the racers. We can then set them up a few feet back so no one has to lean over too see.

[kakolitoy]

[ [B]What dimensions is it and will you be willing to lug it up and down the stairs every race day?

I will wait until the first race. I do not really have visibility problems @ HTOP. But, if you will use more space and make the track little bit more wider I will be willingly to put the small block downstairs after the race. Its about 3 feet wide and 2 feet in height. I am not sure yet, but I have enough woods if I really need. Just let me know how much I can put downstairs.

[lou diamonds]

i need help kids. i recently but a savage 21. i want to up grade the engine. the 25 is the obvious choice but i want more power. any suggestions..... thanks

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by lou diamonds
i need help kids. i recently but a savage 21. i want to up grade the engine. the 25 is the obvious choice but i want more power. any suggestions..... thanks

Hey guys check out the new kid on the block..........hee hee....well you have come to the right place....what you get is directly related to how much you want to spend...........and....I'm sure Rookie, Or Walt can point you in the right direction.....

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Hey guys check out the new kid on the block..........hee hee....well you have come to the right place....what you get is directly related to how much you want to spend...........and....I'm sure Rookie, Or Walt can point you in the right direction.....

Actually, I don't really know much about monster trucks... never have had one. I think only certain engines will work because you can't use a normal starter box on a monster truck, right? If you could use any engine, then sky's the limit with big block .21's. But if you need a pull starter or 'special' starter system, or just don't want to spend $700 on an engine that can win the 1/8th on road Worlds, I'm really not sure what to get, and I don't really have any specific advice. Sorry.

I know there are guys with monster trucks that post here that can help.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by lou diamonds
i need help kids. i recently but a savage 21. i want to up grade the engine. the 25 is the obvious choice but i want more power. any suggestions..... thanks

For low budget....Ofna .26 Picco Big Engine w/Pull Start Rear Exhaust or Team Orion Wasp .26 Pull Start......both very similar oversized engine for your Savage....around $190 each, and should be a little more powerfull then the stock one....they are both around 2.5 to 2.7 HP engine.....which is I think the best deal for less then $200 engine.

Then if you want to spend more....Trinity Sirio .27 Racer Monster Horsepower 27XL.........almost $400, no idea how much better, but MORE $$$ usually = MORE POWER.

Then, if money is no object....start with this...Trinity Sirio .21 Buggy Engine Kanai III.......even cheaper then the .27, but that is for 1/8th buggy, then spend another $2-300 to hand mod the engine....or simply buy one of the NovaMAX hand mod 21...or JP 21....usually running around $700 and up.....and will last you good 6-8 months....

Again....at the end, MONEY dictate everything in RC.

[g12314]

Originally posted by lou diamonds
i need help kids. i recently but a savage 21. i want to up grade the engine. the 25 is the obvious choice but i want more power. any suggestions..... thanks

If your looking for pure plug & play, then .25 is a good choice.

If your looking for power, then the Picco .26 or the Wasp are a nice cheap choice (I have the Picco in my Savage) however be prepared to spend some extra $$. Upgraded Dogbones, new rims (stock ones will strip very quickly), 3-shoe clutch/flywheel setup, 16T clutch bell, and some time with a dremel to add some clearance to the side plates. After that enjoy popping endless wheelies :).

If you have any specific questions about the swap, feel free to email me.

Jimmy

[kakolitoy]

I missed racing!! This day is my only off for about 2 months now and I inspected, replaced, and rebuilt my car. I checked the suspension, bearings belt, clutch, and rebuilt my shocks.

HTOP: Just an idea about visibility problems. I found a plastic crate that is strong enough to hold 250 lbs of load. Its about 2 feet tall and 3 feet wide. Its like a small tool box, actually it is a toolbox that you can sit on. Its light too, about 5 lbs. I bought them @ Menards few months ago on sale for $8 ( I did not expect I will use it).

Anther idea!! Can we have pole position? I am not talking about the track, I am refering to the "Driverstand" itself. For example, No.1 driver gets to stand @ the corner close to the computer. We can use the small decal number that we use on our car. We put them on the floor about 2 feet distance apart (So the last driver that go to the stand does not push the elbows of the driver that were already on the stand). Usually, the max in each heat is about six drivers. If the No. 1 driver wants to trade places to the No. 6 driver thats ok. We pretty much know everyone @ HTOP, I do not think trading spot would be a problem. In case I get No.1 or 2 spot, I will trade my spot to Euge if he gets 3 or 4 spot. For Rex and some other taller guys that is not the problem. Just an idea that might work in our Home track.

[Euge]

mabman, will the electric class at HTOP be strictly stock rubber or can I run mod foam?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
mabman, will the electric class at HTOP be strictly stock rubber or can I run mod foam?

As long as we're starting to talk 'summer racing', what electric rules would you like me to enforce at Tinley this year? Now that I actually own an electric touring car (for about 24 hours now), I feel like I can actually have some say in this too. I plan on running primarily nitro this summer, but if the turnout is low on a particular day, I might run both nitro and electric, and if the turnout is particularly large on a given day, I might just run electric. In the mean time, I plan on sticking with 1/12th scale at AJ's, but I'll have the touring car just in case there isn't enough guys running 1/12th to form a class.

Back to the subject: I think that stock motors are just too slow for our track, but mod motors just get things out of hand. I recommend that we go with the 19 turn motors. I also think that we should allow any tires, foam or rubber. On our track, with the sugar water and such, I really don't think foam is that much of an advantage anyways... Frank last year made the A-main a few times at the end of the season running rubber tires in the Nitro touring class, so I know they can stick.

What do you electric guys think? Any plans this summer to come on out to Tinley and really let those electric motors wind out?

[thunderbt3]

hey walt, are u heading to aj's on saturdays now?

Did u go to school at UIC? If you did, do u remember anyone named Brianno Coller?

[Euge]

wow. which electric touring car did you get? I thought you hated them. ;)

My vote is for an OPEN class. whatever you want. motors and tires.

After all, in the 1/10th scale nitro class, you don't have any sort of regulations on engine size/performance. So I think to put limits on the electric class would be a double standard.

Seems like the nitro guys run engines as fast as they can get them, within their own budget. I think the electric class should be the same way. We're just out there to have fun.

Besides, I expect there to be more brushless guys and if we run 19T, they will undoubtedly just run in 'Unlimited mode' which defeats the purpose of a 19T spec class.

I say we just have fun and run what you brung.

I already talked to Kitt and Rutt about TP this summer and they're in favor of an OPEN class.

I'm just looking forward to running as fast as I can possibly run an electric car. Should be a blast

[Nexus]

i'm with euge...just make it open class...nitro's can run whatever engine...non-turbo, ready to runs, 5 port turbos, ect...

the electric class should follow suit. again with the popularity of the brushless systems it would only make sense to have it an open class....foams or rubber - stock or modified or brushless system.


one note - any chance of getting more electrical hookups? it always seemed like a battle trying to get hooked up to 1 electric cord.

[lou diamonds]

thanx for the suggestions. oh yeah, if this is a chicago racin forum, where do u guys race. i mean, im actually in chicago. i dont want to go out to libertyville or somthin like that. give me some info....

[Walt]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
hey walt, are u heading to aj's on saturdays now?

Did u go to school at UIC? If you did, do u remember anyone named Brianno Coller?

I have not been to AJ's on a Saturday. If I race, it AJ's on Sunday. I am not racing this weekend... at least not RC... I'm trying out indoor go-kart racing on Sunday (Chicago R/C club event).

I did go to UIC... graduated in 1995... that name does not ring a bell, but I readily admit that my brain's ability to remember names is simply horrible.

[Walt]

Euge: I don't remember saying that I 'hate' electric touring cars... only that I don't see why they are more popular than the 1/12th cars for indoor carpet racing, when the 1/12th cars are just as fast, but with 4 cells instead of 6, less stress on the motor, lower initial cost, more durability, and can run for 8 minutes.

Fact is though, for some reason, touring cars are more popular... go figure. For that reason, and the fact that I found a used TC3 for a good price, I picked one up. Plus, like I said before, if the electric class needs another guy this summer I can join in, and if it gets really crowded some days I can run electric instead of Nitro since that might be easier on me while trying to run the races too.

So you guys are voting for open motors... that's fine with me... easiest to tech at least, that's for sure. Technically, last year, the nitro class was not 'open'... we had a 'no turbo plug' rule, but I admit that we're not exactly 'inspecting' cars. I probably will just make both classes (nitro and electric) open classes this summer, but we might still NOT allow 'lola' bodies on the touring cars... actually, that's another good question for this forum... do we allow lola bodies or not? They are a HUGE advantage, but if you 'need' to run one at the local track to be competitive, but then try to race at a ROAR race, you'll be screwed. The same isn't quite true of outlaw motors... you can pretty quickly get used to a slower motor, but the body will totally change the car's setup.

[thunderbt3]

well Brianno Coller, Dr. Coller now is now a professor at NIU and he participated in a couple of SAE events when he went to UIC. He worked on the Baja car and the Ethanol fuel car. I remembered that you did those events to. Now hes the NIU faculty advisor. Remember anything now?

[Rookie Solara]

My thought about the elect OPEN class vs Nitro Open......I think the nitro engine difference (between 3port to 5 port turbo and non turbo) in TP is not as obvious as comparing to 8T motor to 19T or stock motor..........let say a standard OS TR engine vs a good Nova Rossi NS5 engine.........the different is on the back straight. For the rest of the track, I think all Nitro cars are very close, it is all about the driver and setting...

But elect motor.........from what I saw last year at both HTOP and TP track....stock motor has no chance to race against 19T, and 19T has no chance against 8T and not to mention the BRUSHLESS........I remembered one of the race at TP last year when there is 1 car is running a brushless, his time is very much the same as the Nitro A-main ppl (again, at TP track)........and the 2nd place of the elect TC is running a MOD motor is like 1-2 laps behind....not to mention, the rest, who raced in 19T or something slower.....are just pretenting racing.

I am not planning to race elect at TP (nor nitro) this year, but I think if there is a open class in elect, that will be a automatic 8T motor race or brushless race.........yes, the best thing is, everyone go get brushless, but for those who cannot afford the $300 plus system, they are not going to race elect.

Again, I think at TP, there is no reason to use 19T or even stock...it is a waste of time, it should be all MOD or OPEN (and I agree with that decision)....but what I am trying to say is....the difference between elect motor (mod or 19T or stock) compare to nitro engine (turbo 3/5 port and non-turbo)....at TP track, the differences on elect motors are far beyond nitro engines.

Last......in Asia and Europe, they are all planning to accept the SMALL BLOCK 15 engine on 200mm TC as the new FAST thing........these are not the OS or HPI POS small blcok engine....Nova Rossi and RB already released the small case (exactly like 12 engine) but using 15 BIG BLOCK parts (or similar) like the RB V15 that can produce 2.2 HP at only 39,000 rpm 5 port turbo...........so if we see some TC that is insane fast and it is NOT a HPI with 21 engine inside....take a look at that engine. These enigne are drop and race, any car that can fit 12 engine can fit these 15 engine..........not like the HPI need the engine mounting conversion kits or such.

Walt.......I am also planning to get a elect TC, but probably will wait untill 04 winter to do so.....but I will try the PRO 4 instead, let me know hows the TC3 handling at AJ....

[Walt]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
well Brianno Coller, Dr. Coller now is now a professor at NIU and he participated in a couple of SAE events when he went to UIC. He worked on the Baja car and the Ethanol fuel car. I remembered that you did those events to. Now hes the NIU faculty advisor. Remember anything now?

The name is still not ringing a bell, but I was gone before the Ethanol fuel car (cars actually, after I graduated they did a Malibu and a pickup). We must not have overlapped at UIC. I worked on the mini-baja project during the time that we were also working on the HEV Challenge (Dodge Neon conversion to CNG and electric) and the Futurcar Challenge (Taurus conversion to attempt to get 80mpg). I was the president of SAE-UIC from 1992 through 1995.

I know some guys that graduated after me and were involved in SAE... I'll see if they know the guy.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara

Walt.......I am also planning to get a elect TC, but probably will wait untill 04 winter to do so.....but I will try the PRO 4 instead, let me know hows the TC3 handling at AJ....

I would have liked to get a Pro4, but a used TC3 is SO much less expensive than a new Pro4, I just couldn't justify the Pro4. Also, there is still no word on whether or not there will be a HPI Challenge series this summer... if there is, than an R40 and Pro4 might be in my future... if not, I'll just stick with AE.

And have you looked at those .15 Novarossi engines? They are over $330... that's a lot for an engine. The Sirio .15 is under $160... I might try one of those this summer. I'm going to wait on the Nova .15 unless the price comes WAY down before summer arrives. Plus, once we're getting up into the 1.7+HP range, I'm not sure it's going to make much difference... I doubt we can put that much power to the ground.

For you electric guys used to talking 'watts', we're talking 1300 to 1600 watts... last I checked, an 8-turn running on 6 cells makes about 250 watts.... let's put that into perspective... if your 6-cell pack could maintain 7.2 volts under load, and your motor was 100% efficient, that would still be a current draw of over 200 amps to match the power these engines are putting out... this is why a lot of guys put the electric car on the shelf for the summer.

I miss my nitro car (not that I'm not having fun with electric).

[lou diamonds]

:confused: come on guys... a little track info please. i mean, nobody wants to be embarassed by the "rookie" but hey, its part of it. and just to give you guys the scoop on me, i have a rs4 with .12 rossi engine, aluminum tuned pipe, 2 speed tranz, and k&n air cleaner. the car is sick. problem is, i got nobody to race... now that sucks a$$.....

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
And have you looked at those .15 Novarossi engines? They are over $330... that's a lot for an engine. The Sirio .15 is under $160... I might try one of those this summer. I'm going to wait on the Nova .15 unless the price comes WAY down before summer arrives. Plus, once we're getting up into the 1.7+HP range, I'm not sure it's going to make much difference... I doubt we can put that much power to the ground.


Well, I was just sharing the information........getting these new small block 15 is NOT my intension....unless, like you said, they are around $200 each and when almost everyone are running.

When I said ASIA and Europe...mostly Asia, they are all running OPEN CLASS in TC...that means LOLA body with no limit on fuel and engine.........thats why they want to push their envolope to the new level - the 15 series..........however, after I talked to several track/club owner in HK and Japan, there is one problem of these 15 engines on 200mm cars..............even a bulletproofed Serpent 710 and Mugen MTX3..........it shown a LOT of damage on the drive train after a full day of racing.....they ran (4) 5 minutes heat and (1) 30 minutes main.............cars like V1RR or less, are almost damaged........not by hitting wall or board, by those 2 plus HP engine...........so at the end, it is a MONEY GAME once again, win the race with these 15, but the price is $200 plus of replacement parts.

Because of that, I am not going to try, I rather stick with the B main and keep the car (and engine) in 1 piece..................beside, those are very familiar with the engine said, putting 15 engine parts in the tiny 12 engine case DOES NOT do any good on the engine itself.....it is kinda like boosting 150 shots of NOS or dropped a 36psi supercharger pulley onto a stock engined HONDA CIVIC without all the necessary upgrades and wish that engine will last 10 plus years and still make 135mph everyday...

P.S......when the time I am getting the PRO4 it should be late November, price should be lower and buying thru Albert is a lot cheaper then a FT TC3..............one new thing about the latest TOURING CARS (both elect and nitro).........adjustable front and rear ROLL CENTER feature.

Also, for those NTC3 owner.....the FT NTC3 has a new rear suspension upright, kinda like the Yokomo, 710 and Mugen now..and I bet it will cost less then $30 to convert that.....still, just can't beat AE parts price....

How was the INDOOR GO-CART racing...? I wish I can leave today and join you guy...............but I rather stay home and watch home shopping network the whole day with my daughter, that is way more fun.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by lou diamonds
:confused: come on guys... a little track info please. i mean, nobody wants to be embarassed by the "rookie" but hey, its part of it. and just to give you guys the scoop on me, i have a rs4 with .12 rossi engine, aluminum tuned pipe, 2 speed tranz, and k&n air cleaner. the car is sick. problem is, i got nobody to race... now that sucks a$$.....

One thing for sure, no track in Chicago, period.

The nearest from Chicago is Chicagoland Raceway @ Tinley Park (see www.chicagolandrc.com) they race SUNDAY only for outdoor nitro/elect and Wednesday indoor micro, race probably won't start untill MAY....Walt in this forum is the track director and he can give you more info.

Your next choice....Hobbytown @ OakPark, go to www.chicagorc.com and use the track location info. They race on every other SAT....race probably won't start untill MAY as well....Mab_man20 in this forum is the director and he can give you more info.

Then, you can try AJ Raceway.........their track is probably the best (talking about condition) but required some dirivng...they are located in DeKalb County...like 1.5 hour from Chcaigo. Race every SUNDAY and outdoor only (www.ajsraceway.com)

For all the CHICAGO RC info and want to receive all the Chicago RC news letter, please go to www.chicagorc.com and signed up to be the member and you can get most of your question answered there.....

You can even buy yourself a real AMG S55 or Hummer H2 thru the www.chicagorc.com club owner BRIAN LOUIS, he will get you a Chicago RC club member $5 discount (for cars over $100,000 only)

[Euge]

I'm not sure what you want to do about bodies. I guess I was assuming the 1/10th nitro and electric classes would run sedan bodies. I guess I vote for sedan bodies or those two door car bodies that kind of look like sedan bodies.

about the speed differentials, I don't know much about nitro, but isn't there a huge speed differential between the top of the line nitro motor and whatever comes in the RTR kits? It seemed like it.

In any case, it seems like you guys are also in favor of having open classes for nitro and electric. If anything, it'll make Walt's teching job a lot easier!
:)

[kakolitoy]

I miss my nitro car (not that I'm not having fun with electric). [/B][/QUOTE] And have you looked at those .15 Novarossi engines? They are over $330... that's a lot for an engine. The Sirio .15 is under $160... I might try one of those this summer. I'm going to wait on the Nova .15 unless the price comes WAY down before summer arrives. Plus, once we're getting up into the 1.7+HP range, I'm not sure it's going to make much difference... I doubt we can put that much power to the ground.


Walt, that is way too much for .15 engines. Where did you see those prices? I am getting one .15 big block (not the 2.1 cc like the NS15) for myself for my 835. I am still deciding which one to get. Peter used the Novaraossi TX .15 last year and had tremendous power compared to my RB X15 turbo. Even in HTOP my Rb cannot catch up to Peter's Tx .15. I remember one Sunday that we visited TP, Peter's motor smoked my motor in the straight away all the time. I am still looking for a .15 (KHM) mega or Collari mod NOvarossi TX .15 Roar legal. Last MWS in A main 235 4wd, those 835 runs like an 8th scale. When I saw the motor most of it were mega MS and Collari modified Novarossi TX .15, and a JP modified TX .15. I had a hard time catching up with those guys in the 3rd heat. You will see the difference once you purchased 2 good motors and compare it with the same car, gear ratio,% of fuel, and temp etc. You might not need it to TP or HTOP, but definitely need it if your planning to go to a bigger race. Anyway, if you need one and my price will fit your budget just let me know so we can save for shipping.

[xxx mike]

I noticed those .15 novarossi engines on ebay recently too. I think tinley should atleast restrict 200mm cars to any .12 engine. The power and $$$ cost in .12's is already out of hand. What happened to the days of $150 MT-12's?? Can a 5 port reallt cost 50-100+ dollars more per engine to make? Even the NS3's are over 200 now.. 230 I think is what most on ebay are asking. What gives with these prices?

[Nexus]

lou diamonds -

rookie is right...in chicago there are no tracks...i live in chicago as well...smack dab in the middle on madison street.

so to race anywhere you will have to drive....depending on where you live some tracks are closer then others.

Indoor Tracks:

RSJ Raceway - Libertyville, IL - euge and i run regularly there..takes me less then 1 hour
http://www.rsjraceways.com/

AJ's Raceway - DeKalb, IL - i think this took a little over 1 hour...maybe about 1hour, 20mins.
http://www.ajsraceway.com/

Trackside Hobbies - Brookfild, WI - 2-2.5 hours drive
www.trackside.com


Outdoor tracks:

HTOP - Hobby Town Oak Park, IL - 25min drive for me - med/large track, onsite hobbystore but doesn't stock alot of TC parts, no personals

Chicagoland R/C Raceway - Tinley Park, IL - 1-1.25 hours drive - very large track, personal transponders, novice to expert comp.


There are a few more tracks in the midwest area...but some are pretty far and others i don't think are worth the trip.

[bmatlock]

Hey guys,
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but there are tracks just a little south of Chicago. We run clay oval and 1/10 gas and electrics from touring cars to sprints, truck, EDM, Hobby stockers, coupes and more. The web sites are below. All classes from beginner to expert. There are a great bunch of people that race. Now I know this isn't road racing on asphalt, but it's a real challenge to do it. We need some new faces and more competition. There is also a off road coarse in RVR also.

Thanks,
Brian Matlock

www.rvr.8m.com
River Valley Raceway Bradley Illinois Just opened 1 hour south of chicago on I-57 exit 315 to North st. Right on north street to Washington turn right and it's a few blocks on the left.

http://www.dirtoval.com/moody/index.html

Monee raceway in Monee Illinois right off I-57 also.

[Walt]

Originally posted by lou diamonds
thanx for the suggestions. oh yeah, if this is a chicago racin forum, where do u guys race. i mean, im actually in chicago. i dont want to go out to libertyville or somthin like that. give me some info....

Sorry... I somehow missed this post. Come summer, you should drive on out to the South Suburb of Tinley Park on Sunday mornings to race at Chicagoland R/C Raceway (www.chicagolandrc.com). I run that track, so if you have any questions about it after checking out our web-site, just ask (either here or you can e-mail me from our home-page).

And yes, there are other on-road tracks as well, but I'll let those guys talk about them.

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Walt, that is way too much for .15 engines. Where did you see those prices

Well, I guess I can ask you where you saw them cheaper than $300? Tower had them listed last week (although they don't seem to be there now?) for $335 (the Novarossi version). Ace Hobbies has the RB version for $325. I asked at Al's about them and was told over $300, and they've sold a couple already.

It's tough as a race director to come up with rules. On the one hand, I don't want everyone to have to buy a $300 engine just to get us even again, and right back to the same 'quality' of racing we had when everyone had $150 engines. On the other hand, you've got to let guys race... I mean, we could restrict all engines to $75 or less, but I don't think racers would like that either.

Sticking with ROAR rules seems like a good compromise because they don't allow the 'top' dollar stuff, to the point where the engines start to get finicky, plus, if you ever want to race at a National or Regional or whatever, you'll already be used to that type of engine and body. But, that would mean that I've got to start checking what everyone is running, and I really don't want to do that. It's a pain, and unless I'm willing to devote a LOT of effort to it, it would be really easy to fool me.. I mean, I'm probably not going to be taking engines apart and checking out the internals, and the new .15 engines look identical from the outside to the .12's.

The easiest way to keep engine cost down is to have a 'claim' rule... anyone that races at the track, and makes the A-main, is subject to a 'claim', which means that any other A-main racer can offer to purchase that other driver's engine for, say, $200... the other driver must sell his engine for that amount, or forfeit the race. As long as everyone spends less than the claim amount, no one should really care... they can go out and buy a new engine and pocket the left over money. But honestly, I don't see a 'claim' system working. No one would ever do it, until someone spends $330 on an engine, and then the person with the $330 engine would refuse to give it up.

What I really want to avoid is splitting the nitro (or electric) class up into two different classes. I really think that's one of the downfalls of RC racing. The more you split the racers up, the harder it is to get the fast guys with fast guys and the beginners with other beginners. The only way to ensure everyone is together is to have an 'open' class. If we could get 40 'open' guys and another 40 'ROAR' guys, that would be great, but in reality, we'll get 35-40 total, and it's best if they can be kept together.

I've got to think about this some more, plus, I'm tired of typing. Please continue to give me any other thoughts you guys have on this topic of rules.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt.......I think afterall I shouldn't mentioned about that 15 SMALL BLOCK engine thing....now I started another debate on ENGINE rules.

If I ran the track........really, I would not bother to have any ENGINE rules.......you and I (and others) are not new to this TC and RC thing, regulars like you, me, frank, T-racer, espo, arron, babo, alberts and others........(sorry, I shouldn't name names...and if I miss some other fast guy, sorry, I will ground myself in my basement for this coming season...) are their with their 12 engines....period (without asking).......for those who ran 15 small block...........let them do it, and for us, we will see how good those 15s are going and see we can beat them by using 1/2HP less engine............NO ONE (that we know here) will cheat, especially those A-main runner..........yes, they might run a JP or NovaMAX or Rody engine, but that is still not CHEAT, because on some big national race, those are the engine ppl run.

ROAR rule book said...all 3 port TURBO MOD or Non-MOD engines are allow...(I think)....engines that is not allow are any 5-port or more engine, turbo or non-turbo.....I think thats why Serpent ppl are all running the SS 3-port Turbo at Winternational.

What I am really saying is........don't bother to set engine rules, you didn't last year and everything went good, no super fast guy that is uncatchale and everyone are in their main that they suppose to be, it is all skills and setting....then their cars, rarely their engines (in TP that is).........at the last race at TP, I was running a 4 years old MT-12, still get to the main....not the top position, but that proved that $300 plus engine are not really that much of a big deal afterall.....I don't recall the last time I saw someone that is totally clueless on setting up cars, or in driving but with a $400 engines that wins the A at TP........all A1 at TP are deserve to win their race......they won because they are good racer.

.15 small block is something fun for those who want to beat the fast guy without acutally doing the HARD WORK to improve their driving skill....just like those who drop a 21 on their HPI and telling ppl his RS4 can hit 80mph....................straight to the board.

Walt....when are you going to get the 835....? (check ebay, they are around $200-250 with a decent 15 big block engine everywhere...) I think I will race that most of the time this season while I still have the 710 for backups...........or, you are going to do the HARPER College challenge and use your SNRS4 instead....?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Walt.......I think afterall I shouldn't mentioned about that 15 SMALL BLOCK engine thing....now I started another debate on ENGINE rules.

Walt....when are you going to get the 835....? (check ebay, they are around $200-250 with a decent 15 big block engine everywhere...) I think I will race that most of the time this season while I still have the 710 for backups...........or, you are going to do the HARPER College challenge and use your SNRS4 instead....?

I don't think you started any engine debate. I was about to bring this up myself. In the end, we'll probably do an open engine rule for nitro touring, because it is just so darn difficult to inspect engines. It's easier to inspect bodies, but I'm not sure we'll even bother with that this year. If we stick with the 'no lola' rule, what about the HPI Pikes Peak body... that thing is a wedge with huge downforce. I don't want to do ROAR rules though, because then it's just a bunch of Stratus'... whoopie! We'll probably just have to compile a list of 'banned' bodies, and try to keep it a short list... I don't know.

As for me getting a 1/10th onroad car, I doubt it will happen for now. I spent a lot more on electric racing this winter than I expected to. I'll have to see how this season goes. If there is a good group of guys running 1/10th onroad cars, I might get one. But if we get big turnouts like I hope we will, it will be darn difficult for me to run in more than one class plus run the races, so I'd probably just stick with nitro touring or possibly electric touring once in a while.

[Rookie Solara]

If Nova Rossi picked TIRNITY to sell their engine in USA, they should think about ALBERT and ME, with our HK and Japan connection, we can at least help them sell their overpriced engine a hair better then TRINTIY does....

Here is the breaking news...

"#829 of 834 by xxxxxxxx on Sun Feb 22 20:57:42 2004:

NOVAROSSI HAS FIRED "TRINITY" AND AS OF 2-20-04,THERE IS NO NOVAROSSI
IMPORTER INTO THE USA. GREAT PLANES AND TOWER HOBBIES ARE ONLY SELLING
WHAT THEY HAD IN STOCK PRIOR TO THE DIVORCE. THE "TOP" P5 IS IMPORTED
THREW "PARIS RACING". THE "REX" P5 IS IMPORTED THREW MUGEN SEIKI.BOTH
THE "REX" AND "TOP" ENGINES ONLY ARIVE IN THE USA ABOUT EVERY 2-3
MONTHS,MAKING THEM MORE DIFFICULT TO KEEP IN STOCK. RB CONCEPTS ARE
SHIPPED INTO THE USA ABOUT EVERY 1-2 WEEKS.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
As for me getting a 1/10th onroad car, I doubt it will happen for now. I spent a lot more on electric racing this winter than I expected to. I'll have to see how this season goes. If there is a good group of guys running 1/10th onroad cars, I might get one. But if we get big turnouts like I hope we will, it will be darn difficult for me to run in more than one class plus run the races, so I'd probably just stick with nitro touring or possibly electric touring once in a while.

Ha ha, there were so many DEVIL (including you) around me for the last several years and tell me to buy this and that.....so I might as well be ONE of them and tell you to get a 235 on-road....

Yeah, running 2 classes is NOT FUN....but good thing is the 835 rarelly need to fix anything..........and also, that is just a FUN CAR to drive, not like my 710.......that I would spend quite sometimes to figure out.

DId you know that the 710 came with a setup guide that is 35 pages long....? A toy car almost required a PHD degree to understand............not sure the car is any better, but it LOOKS BETTER already.

How was the CART racing yesterday...? Who was your teammate?

[kakolitoy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Walt
[B]Well, I guess I can ask you where you saw them cheaper than $300? Tower had them listed last week (although they don't seem to be there now?) for $335 (the Novarossi version). Ace Hobbies has the RB version for $325. I asked at Al's about them and was told over $300, and they've sold a couple already.reply. Usually, motors takes about 3 to 5 business days. Last



Walt,

Last timeI was in Al's. Chip still had 3 Rb x. 15 for 1/10 235 for $250 to $260. My other source does not have a site.

Last time I bought the TX. 15 it was $260 to $275. I am not sure now if they still makes a TX 15 and RB x.15. Both motors should have enough power for you. That TX 15 is the same year of the RS 12 S5 you have in your car.

I already asked my source how much it would be for 2 motors, so I can save shipping in case you get one. I am just waiting for his reply. Last time, I waited for my tires up to a week. Sometimes it depends.

Last time I sold a motor was the 3 Rs 12 S5 from the racers of TP. I only charge $195 each. My profit is just save me shipping fee. In my opinion, it does not matter where you get it as long as you save some extra cash for tires and fuel.

By the way, I think Mike have some HK source too. You can ask him, he would know it. I called 2 places from Asia and Europe. I really suggest call Al's first and ask chip if he still have those RB in the basement. Last time I was there Chip and I were filing those .15 in order.

[xxx mike]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Walt.......I think afterall I shouldn't mentioned about that 15 SMALL BLOCK engine thing....now I started another debate on ENGINE rules.



I don't see the .15's being a problem UNLESS the people like howard, espo, walt etc. start using them. If the guys that already drive great all of a sudden have huge power .15 smallblocks the rest of us no-drivin suckas will be screwed even worse than before. If ONE top notch driver (Mr-I-Never-Crash) :p gets the SB .15 it's all over for the rest of the racers..

Although it does not really matter for me one way or the other.. so I suppose I am fighting a useless cause. I can't see keeping up with anyone this year either, .12's or 15's.

[kakolitoy]

[Although it does not really matter for me one way or the other.. so I suppose I am fighting a useless cause. I can't see keeping up with anyone this year either, .12's or 15's. [/B][/QUOTE] [/B]


Mike,

Do not let yourself down. I still remember the video that Dan made in the beginning of the season @ HTOP. I myself is slow too, but remember its not just winning or losing. Its the fun and great learning @ the track. The more we race the the better driver we will be. All we have to do is to have fun and try our best @ the track to give our Veterans the challenge, so they would not get bored with us. I do not recommned to use a 2.1 cc 15. Its just not fair. I would like to race fair and square or lets just say Roar legal. In case we made it to the main, there will be no questions on how we made it to the top.

Also, this hobby is all about sharing, networking, and making freinds. I met a guy @ Al's that needed to tune his motor. It was a brand new Sirio modified Collari .12 (Gold head). This specific motor was very tight. Anyway, I got the motor running great. All of the sudden, he smiled @ me and said, "Thanks man!! If you need car parts call me @ Pepboys @ Cicero Ave." I already bought about 3 sets of Rotors, pads, water pump, and alternator from him. I am not sure how much % discount, but I save $30 out of $160 pair of rotors. I made extra cash from my sidework because of the parts. The original price were $160 for a pair of Raybestos rotor. He gave me 2 receipts one for my costumer and the other is for me with the discounts. My point is you meet people that might hook you up for something.

[lou diamonds]

nexus, thanx for felling my pain. i would like to look into getting somthing started for the city boys. im am a member chicagorc.com
but its almost useless to me as they're not located in chicago.
and as far as the rossi .12 i use, along with a 2speed, the car is crazy fast. theyre great engines. i paid $150 at pats hobbies.

[Nexus]

lou.

good luck on trying to run something in chicago....real estate is just to expensive and there are no hobby stores in chicago now that stanton has closed.

best bet is to make the trip to RSJ or AJs...

if you want to see some really good electric TC racing head up to trackside this weekend for the U.S. Triple Crown Race.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I don't see the .15's being a problem UNLESS the people like howard, espo, walt etc. start using them. If the guys that already drive great all of a sudden have huge power .15 smallblocks the rest of us no-drivin suckas will be screwed even worse than before. If ONE top notch driver (Mr-I-Never-Crash) :p gets the SB .15 it's all over for the rest of the racers..


I think we are talking about SMALL BLOCK 15 engine here....not really 15 big block engine, right?............so if I decided to use the 15 SB on the 710......that will be on my driveway only....beside, $300 plus NS15 or V15 just to bash around....? I don't think so..........

XXXMike, you don't have to worry, we know the rules and we don't do that kind of upgrade to win the race, we know better.....beside, to win the race, we first have to make WALT to make mistake at the A-main.

When are we going to run a 30 minutes A-main?

[lou diamonds]

Originally posted by Nexus
lou.

good luck on trying to run something in chicago....real estate is just to expensive and there are no hobby stores in chicago now that stanton has closed.

best bet is to make the trip to RSJ or AJs...

if you want to see some really good electric TC racing head up to trackside this weekend for the U.S. Triple Crown Race.
we have pats hobbies on 95th in oaklawn

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Walt
[B]Walt,

Last timeI was in Al's. Chip still had 3 Rb x. 15 for 1/10 235 for $250 to $260. My other source does not have a site.



I'm pretty sure that you are confusing big block .15's with small block .15's. In fact, I'm sure of it since you said you got the engine for your 235 car... that's big block. Big block .15's are cheaper than the new Novarossi small block .15's. There is only one RB small block .15, and its called the V15.. the X15 is a big block.

[Walt]

xxxMike: you are selling yourself short. You run competitively every time you are at our track, and I'm sure you will this year as well (unless you change your mind and go into another hobby again, but I hope you don't).

Again, regarding these engines, it's hard to say what we should do. The prices are getting out of hand to have the latest, best, stuff. $200 was bad enough, now we're getting up over $300. Part of me would like to keep the cost down, but part of me also says that I've got to just let the guys race what they want to race. Also, like I've said before, a rule is only worth anything if its enforced, and I don't see an easy way to enforce any rule that dictates engine internals.

We'll probably end up with a 'no big block' rule, because that's easy enough to enforce. We can also fairly easily have a 'no turbo plug' rule, because that's easy to enforce. But that's about all we can easily do.

The good news is that I really don't think, on our track, that you're going to see a big difference between 1.5hp and 2.2... that sounds absurd, I know, but I don't think these cars can put that much power to the ground at low speeds, and our straightaway is only 185 feet long at best, so you're not going to see much more speed there either. Yes there will be a difference, but I don't think it will be all that much. Clean driving will still win more races than super high power. We're getting to the point where these engines make more power than we can use, which is a good thing... that means the days of 'engine wars', where you needed an engine tuned by Ron Paris to win a race are over... any engine will have more power than the car can put to the ground.

I don't plan on getting a Novarossi small block .15, but I'm considering trying the Sirio small block .15. That engine, while being supposedly pretty powerful, is actually pretty cheap... less than $170. Seems like a good deal to me.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara

How was the CART racing yesterday...? Who was your teammate?

Man, I didn't look at this forum for a day or two and fell way behind... the Brian Louis go-cart event was a lot of fun. I entered with two of my friends, and none of us had ever done this before. We got our butts kicked by all of Brian's friends, but we still had a good time. We're already talking about heading back out there to try it again. The place is a lot of fun, you should try it if you get a chance: www.chicagoindoorracing.com

And someone had asked when we'll run a 30 minute main at Tinley Park... my guess would be some time this year. I'm hoping to come up with an actual racing schedule for this year, and we'll have a few Sundays designated at 'trophy' days or something, and on those days we'll run a longer main. 15 minute mains will still be the norm though for nitro touring, and double 5-minute A-mains for the electric guys.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I don't plan on getting a Novarossi small block .15, but I'm considering trying the Sirio small block .15. That engine, while being supposedly pretty powerful, is actually pretty cheap... less than $170. Seems like a good deal to me.

Of course, I can only say that ONLY if I can show up to the race on SUNDAY....but last week, wife just brought me a new 710 because she realized that I sold my NTC3 and had no car to race this season...........so that is probably a good sign that I might be able to race once every 2 weeks at TINLEY...again, that is a good sign.

WALT...that 15 engine from SIRIO is off road turbo plug engine....why would you like that..?

The rule.......I would say, LET THEM RUN whatever they want...even 21, really....when was the last time you see any oversized engine will any races...? Never...beside, even they win, we will all figured out why they win............(.15 engine?) If that person is smart enough and try to win the race fair and square, he would switch back to the 12 engine, unless he has no shame about cheating....

But of course, if everyone is running V15 or NS15........that should be a outlaw class along with the LOLA body too.....but I would not be there....$300 plus for another engine just for a class is way too much.

Again....we are talking about BIG BLOCK 15 vs the SMALL BLOCK 15 vs the small block 12...........3 different things in 3 differnet prices and in 3 different classes......