Chicago Racing (track info inside)

[Euge]

Originally posted by Nexus
i'm on my way now to buy a NTC3 with a O.S .12 TR HELEOLOL!!!

It's true. It's true. I was there with Nexus when he bought it! (not ebay) He and I might be in for some Nitro racing this sunday!!

Take it easy on us Nitro rookies though!!

I am buying a NTC3 off a guy I know. It's got high speed JR racing servos, a lightweight 2 speed, and a Mugen 5 port turbo in there. Is that any good? :D (I'll probably also get a ROAR legal MR-12 for certain tracks.)

[Euge]

Eagle Hunter? who dat?

[xxx mike]

Drop, it is my supernitro. Along with a few other cars of mine. I am reducing the stable to only nitro tc3's. I have spread my good electronics too thin, have to stock too many parts, its hard for me to tune all the suspensions correctly, and I have trouble changing driving styles all the time between cars. Atleast now I can focus all of my better parts into two cars, which are both NTC3's and focus my driving time on only those cars. I am not really good at driving any of these cars, and struggling with more then one just makes it worse. Now 100% of my driving time will be on NTC3 cars, so hopefully I will learn them better and eventually improve myself.

I would have posted about the stuff on the board here, but the rules do not allow you to link to auctions on other sites... I guess since you noticed it without me posting about it, I didn't really break any rules.. just responding to your post. If anything is purchased through ebay by a local Tinley racer, I have no problem bringing it along to the track for you. Free delivery that way hehe.

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
No.....but I will let Walt to tell you when will they keep the track at the parking lot permenantly.

Thanks Rookie. I ended up driving up to Venture instead. I got a new Inferno 7.5 to play with and have been having a ball with it. I will become the long distance jumping champ at the next monster mash!

[nitrothugg]

i was browsing the tinley park track (http://www.chicagolandrc.com/welcome.htm) for the first time and wanted to know if you follow the roar sedan rules to the letter? i plan on driving down this sunday to atleast check things out. i mean, do i have to get a .12 to race if i have a .15? and what about the holes in the body?

[Walt]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
Walt,

I need to run some practice laps on the outdoor track. Is it still open for practice every night?

If you're talking on road, then no, the track is only set up for Sunday races (and Friday night oval races), and then has to be taken down for it's own protection.

If you're talking off road, that track will be open every night for practice, but only after it's opened for the season, which it still is not. Just can't find the time to get out there and finish it up.

[Hanibel]

:mad:
Ok, I finally get a Sunday free and everyone switches to Nitro. I know I won't be that competitive, but now I won't even be able to race.

On another note. For those who run (ran) electric, what motors were you running. Which one for stock and modified.

[wrxdan]

I think I'm downsized a bit. Going back to the one car theme. Owning a house is cool but much more work. I have 2 months of freedom till we move, anyway.

I want to sell my Micro and my super nitro rally is anybody is interested. PM me for details. The micro has mods including the chassis. The SNR is mostly stock with AE shocks and OS .15 CV-X engine. The micro will come with extra batteries and tires.

The NTC3 stays for now.

Dan

[Euge]

Originally posted by Hanibel
:mad:
Ok, I finally get a Sunday free and everyone switches to Nitro. I know I won't be that competitive, but now I won't even be able to race.
There's still some decent electric racing out there. It's just not what it is in the winter. There were about 6 guys at Venture Raceways last saturday. There's also a few guys at HTOP.
Originally posted by Hanibel
On another note. For those who run (ran) electric, what motors were you running. Which one for stock and modified.
Nexus and I were running Monster stock motors. Then after the race day was over, he was playing around with a 19T Arconite and I was playing around with this 10 yr old 11T Team Kinwald.

[Nexus]

Hanibel:
not sure what the turnout for electric will be once Euge and I switch to Nitro. there were only 4 of us total last sunday.


If we can get the cars set-up euge and I might be in for some Nitro racing this week...

Look out Nitro 1/10th D-Main!!

[Dropkicked]

The remaining electric guys can run with Honda :)

[j. sorwell]

that would be fun for everyone except the electric guys. demolition derby!

[mab_man20]

Last week at HTOP we had 9 electric guys. If we lose Nexus and Euge then we still have 7 plus anyone who wasnt there last race day.


Nexus and Euge: May i suggest you guys come out to HTOP this saturday and race electric and work out the kinks in the nitros or just devote the day to working on the nitros.

I hope the rest of you can make it out also!

I will have the points standings posted all day. We are running a 6 race points series (2 have pasted) we will have 1 throwout so if you missed a day your still ok. We will have prizes for the top three winners in each class and the name of the winner in each class will be put on a plaque. The plaque will be forever displayed in the store so you can brag and trash talk to everyone else and they cant say a thing about it becuase you won the points series!!

Hope to see you guys at the track!!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Last week at HTOP we had 9 electric guys. If we lose Nexus and Euge then we still have 7 plus anyone who wasnt there last race day.


Nexus and Euge: May i suggest you guys come out to HTOP this saturday and race electric and work out the kinks in the nitros or just devote the day to working on the nitros.

I hope the rest of you can make it out also!

I will have the points standings posted all day. We are running a 6 race points series (2 have pasted) we will have 1 throwout so if you missed a day your still ok. We will have prizes for the top three winners in each class and the name of the winner in each class will be put on a plaque. The plaque will be forever displayed in the store so you can brag and trash talk to everyone else and they cant say a thing about it becuase you won the points series!!

Hope to see you guys at the track!!



Hopefully, it would not rain on saturday. I missed HTOP because of a great tight turns.


Thinking about X ray 2 :)

[Euge]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Nexus and Euge: May i suggest you guys come out to HTOP this saturday and race electric and work out the kinks in the nitros or just devote the day to working on the nitros.


I can't speak for Nexus, but I won't be able to make it to HTOP this saturday. I bought my Nitro from a guy who races at Venture. He agreed to meet me there on saturday and he's going to help me with my first nitro race day. I would otherwise have gone to HTOP, since it's closer to me than Venture. But basically, the way I figure, the best way for me to work out the kinks is to talk to the guy who built/raced it.

I picked up the car from him last night, but wasn't able to drive it. I did, however, fire that puppy up and did it sound MEAN! I can't wait to race it!!!

He thought the engine was a Mugen 5 port turbo, but the box says Nova Mega. Is this a Novarossi engine? It also has the 5-P-T on the top......

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Euge
I can't speak for Nexus, but I won't be able to make it to HTOP this saturday. I bought my Nitro from a guy who races at Venture. He agreed to meet me there on saturday and he's going to help me with my first nitro race day. I would otherwise have gone to HTOP, since it's closer to me than Venture. But basically, the way I figure, the best way for me to work out the kinks is to talk to the guy who built/raced it.

I picked up the car from him last night, but wasn't able to drive it. I did, however, fire that puppy up and did it sound MEAN! I can't wait to race it!!!

He thought the engine was a Mugen 5 port turbo, but the box says Nova Mega. Is this a Novarossi engine? It also has the 5-P-T on the top......

Its based on Novarossi S5, buts its not Novarossi. Novamega 5-pt means 5 port turbo. NOva mega have their own standard and balancing.

Euge do you see M.S. on the other side of the heat sink?

If you do not have the M.S. be sure to be pateint w/ this motor. Novamega motors are the hardest to tune so far in my experince. I have about 5 Nova mega engines including your motor, but mine has M.S. People will say yeah it does not have differnce in power. It is true no diffenrence in power its the tuning of this motor is different. M.S. is the best to tune. W/o the M.S. its harder to tune. M.S. or Without the M.S. are both hard to tune, but w/ the M.S. is better in tuning The balancing of the crank and the P/S is different. I do not recommend Nova mega .12 to any beginner in nitro. I hope the guy that used to own it broke the motor in a proper way so you can go back to basic when you try to tune it.

This motor is very temperimental. Make sure to have a temp gun @ your side. This motor is very loud. I noticed most Mega's from .12, .15 , and .21 are really loud. That is why Serpent recommnend an INS box. Like what I said be patient and the motor is very temperimental.

Hopefully, it was broken properly so you will not have a problem.

Not trying to worry you, I am just telling you what to expect. Hope this helps

[mab_man20]

Im glad someone other than me likes turns in their track layout! lol


Ive got the layout designed, maybe i can throw it into paint and post it up if i get a chance.

[Euge]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Euge do you see M.S. on the other side of the heat sink?
Thanks for the info, kakolitoy. Someone just getting into Nitro like myself appreciates any input, good or bad. It's easier to learn through the experience of others. Yes, mine does have the MS. So the MS is easier to tune, but still difficult to tune?

I'm still thinking of buying a ROAR legal motor as a 2nd motor.....

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Euge
Thanks for the info, kakolitoy. Someone just getting into Nitro like myself appreciates any input, good or bad. It's easier to learn through the experience of others. Yes, mine does have the MS. So the MS is easier to tune, but still difficult to tune?

I'm still thinking of buying a ROAR legal motor as a 2nd motor.....

You are exactly right!!!!


There is no standard needle setting on those kind of motor. The best way to tune the motor is your senses.

1. is Hearing
2. feeling
3. Observation (vision)

After all 3 of these use the temp gun to check your temp. This motor can easily go to 260F. If you have enough low end just adjust the high end by 15 degree counterclockwise @ a time just to start. Eventually, you might turn more or less than 20 % @ a time.

In time to time you will realize everything I said.

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Hopefully, it would not rain on saturday. I missed HTOP because of a great tight turns.


Thinking about X ray 2 :)

Wait a minute... aren't you the same guy that just sent me a personal e-mail asking me to make my track wider? So you want Hobby Town to make their track narrower, and Tinley to make our track wider?

Man, you're one strange dude.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Last week at HTOP we had 9 electric guys. If we lose Nexus and Euge then we still have 7 plus anyone who wasnt there last race day.


Nexus and Euge: May i suggest you guys come out to HTOP this saturday and race electric and work out the kinks in the nitros or just devote the day to working on the nitros.

I hope the rest of you can make it out also!

I will have the points standings posted all day. We are running a 6 race points series (2 have pasted) we will have 1 throwout so if you missed a day your still ok. We will have prizes for the top three winners in each class and the name of the winner in each class will be put on a plaque. The plaque will be forever displayed in the store so you can brag and trash talk to everyone else and they cant say a thing about it becuase you won the points series!!

Sadly to say i wont make it to this saturdays race, i have to work a mid-shift

Hope to see you guys at the track!! :(

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
Wait a minute... aren't you the same guy that just sent me a personal e-mail asking me to make my track wider? So you want Hobby Town to make their track narrower, and Tinley to make our track wider?

Man, you're one strange dude.


Walt,

True, but I did not ask HTop to narrow the track. I said I missed HTOP. I will race there Saturday. I cannot race on Sunday. However, soon as you tell me which day will you have Tinley wtih wider turn. I will definetly invite every 8th scale racers that I know to race that day. I emailed you yesterday and did have a reply yet. I assumed you would not do it on this Sunday. Walt I like both tracks. I always have fun in your track and HTOP.

I have always 2 notes for set up @ your track and HTOP. HTOP is my local track because its close and I have been racing there since they started. I do not race T.C. @ your track. I would like to focus on impacts and 8th scale @ your track. I am Not trying to
confuse you :) I would like to practice both narrow track and wider track (Tinley).

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
I would like to focus on impacts and 8th scale @ your track. I am Not trying to
confuse you :) I would like to practice both narrow track and wider track (Tinley).

I know... I was just kidding.

[mab_man20]

Originally posted by Walt
I know... I was just kidding.

There wasn't enough Re:'s



lol

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by mab_man20
There wasn't enough Re:'s



lol

Now....one more Re's

NTC3 owners.........order your parts as much as you could....NTC3 parts are in national back order.....everything we want to order from Towers are "Late May, mid May early June Mid June...."etc.

And the things you can find at LHS are things that we will never need..........

I found out my clutch flange bearing was crushed in 1000 pieces...and they are in 1 month back order, can you believe ONE 5x9 bearing will take maybe one full month to order....? They are almost as bad as serpent.....but for sure, this SAT, I won't be able to race TC........

But I will be there cause I have to return the #3 crystal. I might be able to play with my SNRS4 with single speed.

Walt....I am done with the 2-speed as well, there are NO REASON and that damn thing just won't work....now I know how you feel.

[TRF Drive Hard]

OOOPS... my last post got messed up... dunno how:rolleyes: like i was saying, i wont make it to this saturdays race... i have to work a mid-shift:( <--------thats what im sad about:D

ted

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
I know... I was just kidding.

ok,

Pls. let me know when can you do it, so I can plan ahead. I am going to set up Phil's veteq and Mark's 950.

The racine midwest series is coming up soon and I do not have enough practice yet. I do not care if I lose, just do not want to be the last guy. We will go there to have fun and experince racing somewhere else beside Chicago tracks.

I am still deciding

1. Veteq w/ Novamega evo5 M.S.

2. 950 Novarossi Jp modified race Kangaroo.

Both motors are new (Evo5 is broken in already). I like the Veteq, but its so hard to replace parts( the car has to much stuff). 950 is easier to replace parts and easier to set up.

[mab_man20]

Rookie: Bummer. Hopefully the racing will be as close as it was last week in super/impact. 3 guys where on the same lap for the entire race.

TAO3: Again, bummer. Hopefully next time.

What glow plugs are you guys using??

What type engine shaft does the NTC3 need??

[Dropkicked]

Rookie,

That's wierd. I haven't had any problems with the AE 2 speed. I regeared to 13/46, 16/43 and it's fine. I can get the gear mesh set right, with no rubbing on the clutchbell. My shift point needs to be adjusted, but the 2-speed IS working. I'm going to try to bring some extra gears this sunday though. I think I was geared a little high for last weeks track. Then again, more changes to the car this week so I'm sure I'll break early, or this engine's gonna completely die on me.

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by mab_man20

What type engine shaft does the NTC3 need??

short shaft (cut down) or pilot shaft. The pilot is easiest but the kit includes parts for both.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
short shaft (cut down) or pilot shaft. The pilot is easiest but the kit includes parts for both.

Hi!

How do you like the tires so far?

I am thinking of trying a set.

[HauntedMyst]

I still haven't run them yet. I'm waiting for my NTC3 to arrive. I think it will be here on Monday so it should be ready for the next race.

[HauntedMyst]

I still haven't run them yet. I'm waiting for my NTC3 to arrive. I think it will be here on Monday so it should be ready for the next race.

[Dropkicked]

Any of the Italian engine gurus out there know anything about the Top TT 15 (non turbo)? I might just give in and buy a good BB .15, but I'm not willing to blow the grocery money on one. Got a good deal on a used TT .15 though.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
Any of the Italian engine gurus out there know anything about the Top TT 15 (non turbo)? I might just give in and buy a good BB .15, but I'm not willing to blow the grocery money on one. Got a good deal on a used TT .15 though.

TOP TT 15 motor.

Tops is almost Novarossi made, but its based Novarossi. IF its not turbo its not TT. That is ET, Make sure the price is around $140 $180 only for a used one. You do not know how many mileage in the P/S. Its hard to find P/S here in the U.S. You can buy the RB, Mega, and Novarossi. Last time I bought a P/S for .15 was $99, but that was a 7 port P/S. That should be around $70 to $80. RB, Mega, or Novarossi will fit there. Make sure what year and model of the motor. Check if its the same in the link. My bro's impact REd car, runs the Novarossi TX .15 T Race. Its about the same with that motor. No offense, If you spend more than $140 in that used motor. I rather buy a new .15 motor. Rb .x15 turbo $245. If you can find Top or Novarossi .15 its only $230 for non turbo 3 ports Roar legal. Just my opinion, thank you.

Check this site if its the same.


http://www.novarossi.com/index_ing.html

BTW: Its really a great motor if the owner took care of it and broke it in properly. My Brother's motor is faster than my RB Tx .15. Its the same, but the turbo 7 port has more torque power.

[kakolitoy]

do you think you can ask Fred to stock tubo plugs in his shop just for the racing season?

O donnel is great!!

thanks

[Walt]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
Rookie,

That's wierd. I haven't had any problems with the AE 2 speed. I regeared to 13/46, 16/43 and it's fine. I can get the gear mesh set right, with no rubbing on the clutchbell. My shift point needs to be adjusted, but the 2-speed IS working. I'm going to try to bring some extra gears this sunday though. I think I was geared a little high for last weeks track. Then again, more changes to the car this week so I'm sure I'll break early, or this engine's gonna completely die on me.

I have a theory about why the associated 2-speed isn't working right in our Supers. Besides the obvious interference problem, which can be fixed by changing the gearing (maybe), I couldn't get mine to shift early enough. I backed out the adjustment screws until they were contacting the inside of that clutch housing and I still wasn't happy with the shift point. The reason this is happening is because the Super has much slower spur gear shaft speeds for a given vehicle speed. This is due to the size of the tires and the ratio between the drive axles and the spur gear shaft.

Or, if you want to think of the shift point in terms of engine speed, it's because of the difference in ratios between the NTC3 and the Super... the neumerically LOWEST first gear ratio you can go with in the Super is 13/44 (7.33), the neumerically HIGHEST you can go with in the NTC3 is 20/54 (6.75:1).

The range of first gear ratios for the Super is 7.33:1 to 9.06:1 and for the NTC3 it is 5.65:1 to 6.75:1.... those two ranges do not over lap at all, so if the NTC3 shift point was designed to be adjustable for the range of NTC3 ratios, it will not work for the Super unless by dumb luck.

The Super is always going to shift at MUCH higher engine RPMs than the NTC3 at a given setting.

I don't think we'll ever get the Super to shift right with that conversion. I'm going to start looking around for some replacement springs to put into the clutches to make the shift point sooner (lower rate springs of the same length), but those springs might be difficult to come by.

I have a feeling that the designer didn't completely think this conversion through (heck, the interference problem is proof of that).

[Dropkicked]

Walt,

I haven't looked at the gearing on the tc3 at all myself, but what you're saying makes sense. With the engine troubles I've been having I didn't get to mess with the shift point as much as I would have liked. The last time I adjusted it I was hitting second right around the lightpole on the back straight, but would like it to hit a bit earlier.
As far as lack of forethought on it, you are probably right. When I talked to him he was telling me that almost everybody that buys his stuff is running big block .15's and .21's with much taller gearing. I guess alot of them are running the rs4-3 clutchbells so they can go as high as I think 20 teeth for first gear. Simplified that is a pinion:spur ration of 2:1 and final ratio of 4.32:1 which is well beyond the TC3 range. That's with a 46 tooth spur which is what I'm running with a 13 tooth pinion for a final drive ratio of 7.64. So yes, the guys that are running the AE 2-speed with no problems are most likely running alot closer to the shaft speed range of the TC3 if not well beyond it.

I rebuilt my engine last night, so I won't get to experiment until saturday at the earliest. I hope I can get this thing to work because I really like the way it shifts compared to the HPI 2 speed. :(

[kakolitoy]

I think you had a very good deal in that motor. Even if you have to change some parts. Good pick on the motor.

[Dropkicked]

it got snagged a little while after I emailed you :(


TRAXXAS IT IS!!! (for now)

[Serpent Impact]

Change to lighter clutch springs.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Serpent Impact
Change to lighter clutch springs.

Where can I find lower rate springs for the Associated 2-speed 2nd gear clutch? I agree, this is the most likely solution to the problem. I'm not even sure if I know how I can measure the existing spring rate so that I can specify a lower rate to try to find. I can measure the free length of the existing spring, along with the diameter, number of coils and diamter of the spring wire, but what I'd really like to figure out is the spring rate... that might be difficult to measure on such a small spring.

I wonder if Associated can give me that information? I'll ask them...

[Serpent Impact]

Cut a coil.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Serpent Impact
Cut a coil.

Cutting a coil INCREASES the spring rate, not decreases like we need. It would make the problem worse.

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Walt
Cutting a coil INCREASES the spring rate, not decreases like we need. It would make the problem worse.

What about removing some material from the shoes? Or maybe a smaller ball(s)?? That would effectively reduce spring tension?

Dan

[Walt]

Originally posted by wrxdan
What about removing some material from the shoes? Or maybe a smaller ball(s)?? That would effectively reduce spring tension?

Dan

Removing material would also adjust in the wrong direction... we want more outward force (centripetal force), so we would need to increase the weight of the shoes. Removing material would cause the shoes to be lighter, so they would tend to engage even later. We need them to engage sooner.

Maybe lead balls could be put in there instead of the steel ones to make them heavier, but it still seems to me that the easiest approach is to find a lower spring rate pair of springs.

[wrxdan]

I don't get it. Take 2 rocks, one heavy and one light. Tie to a string and spin in a circle. Yes the heavier rock will "pull" hard once at speed, but will take longer to reach that speed. Apply the same force to the light rock. You will reach the speed sooner but will not have the same outward force. You want to shift earlier, right? So don't you want a lighter shoe which will kick out soon them the heavier. The heavier will hold stronger, but the light shoe will engage sooner. I don't get it.
Back to physics class for me.
Dan

[wrxdan]

Scratch that. In theory that works....but the way AE design their 2 speed it will not. I forgot the shoes pull against the spring. The screw goes thru the shoe and pushes the ball down, right? With a lighter shoe would not pull as hard on the spring as an heavier one would. I guess it's back to spring hunting.

Or if you really wanted to get crazy. you could drill out the shaft a bit so that the balls move into the shaft. this would increase the length of the screw which would relieve spring tension. But i'm not sure you want to risk the shaft strength.

Dan

[Walt]

Originally posted by wrxdan
I don't get it. Take 2 rocks, one heavy and one light. Tie to a string and spin in a circle. Yes the heavier rock will "pull" hard once at speed, but will take longer to reach that speed. Apply the same force to the light rock. You will reach the speed sooner but will not have the same outward force. You want to shift earlier, right? So don't you want a lighter shoe which will kick out soon them the heavier. The heavier will hold stronger, but the light shoe will engage sooner. I don't get it.
Back to physics class for me.
Dan

I think you are thinking 'momentum' and 'inertia' when you should be thinking 'force balance'. When this system is spinning, the force holding the shoes together (non-engaged), is the spring force. The force trying to push the shoes apart (engage 2nd gear) is the centripetal force which is a function of the square of the shaft speed times the mass of the shoes. If you want the outward force (centripetal) to be greater than the inward force (spring) at a given speed (lower speed), you either need to reduce the spring force with a lower rate spring, or increase the centripetal force with more mass.

This is difficult to explain without a chalkboard and direct interaction and feedback, but I hope that explanation makes sense.

By the way, my first profession choice was high school physics teacher, but the pay was lower than engineer, so I opted to go the engineering route. I actually enjoy explaining physics to people.

Take your rock example but modify it a little to better simulate what we have here. Take the heavy rock and the light rock and attach both of them to identical springs. Hook them up to something that can spin, and start increasing the spinning rate. Once the spring of either rock is stretched out to a certain distance, the clutch is engaged. The heavier rock will always be pulling harder on it's spring at any given rotational speed, so it will reach the engaging point sooner.

[Walt]

Our posts crossed... I think you've got it now.

[Dropkicked]

Walt,

Your can't replace the steel balls with lead ones. If you could get the grub screws in without crushing them, they would get crushed as the momentum got up and the shoes started to spread. Have you tried tightening and loosening the set screws? more or less force on the balls might get it to engage earlier. Like I said, mine was close, but not quite where I wanted it. I may have the set screws slightly tight, or loose compared to yours.

[Dropkicked]

I just looked at mine. the set screws are a few mm inside the shoes still. What about using grub screws that are say, 2mm longer. It wouldn't be much weight, but would probably be comparable to replacing the steel balls with lead ones of the same size. It may mean replacing shoes a little earlier, but they are only a couple of dollars, and wear pretty slow.

[Walt]

Are you talking about the screws that hold the steel balls against the shaft, or the screws that adjust the preload on the springs?

[kakolitoy]

I used to see him here everyday :( (sad not mad)

[Dropkicked]

The ones that hold the steel balls.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
The ones that hold the steel balls.

I can't even figure out what the heck those set screws and those balls are in there for? And they make it seem like the adjustment of them is super critical. Any idea why they are there?

In any case, if there is room for a longer set screw or some other screw on top of those steel balls, then that would at least move things in the right direction, but how much, I don't know. Might be significant, might not be.

[Dropkicked]

What I'm thinking is that they do 2 things.

1. They keep the shaft from rubbing the inside of the shoes, and give it something solid to hit when the shoes push out. Without it it would be plastic vs. metal and woud strip the inside of the shoes pretty quickly.

2. As the shoes spread the flat areas push against the balls, pushing them outward. If you hold the shoes and turn the shaft you'll see the shoes open up.

[Walt]

I'd put my money on 'wear' as the reason those balls are there.

[Rookie Solara]

I am very sick right now.......but still, managed to NOT taking day off from work and mowed the lawn.

However, I can't believe I would rather sleep then wrenching my NTC3 and SNRS4........

Tomorrow is questionable, and sunday is impossible......but I will have to drop off the #3 crystal that I took last time.

[Kaffieen_Kraze]

Rookie,
Hope ya feel better soon.

Everyone else,
Look, Rookie might miss a race, which would also give all of us a chance to TQ or place 1st ( not me I still suck:p ).

Ha ok Rookie don't get mad, I'm just saying that the only way we might actually be able to beat you is......if you don't show up;) Serously hope ya feel better, racing is always more fun with more people (especially more FAST, and GOOD DRIVING, people.

Kraze

[Nexus]

comeback Rookie...

Looks like I will be doing another double race weekend.

Sat. Venture

Sun. Chicagoland Raceway


I plan to use Sat. to set-up my NTC3 and make sure everything is running well. I'll also need to adjust my driving style to the Nitro.

Sunday...full blown nitro racing heleolol

"I want VIPER...i mean Rookie" heleol top gun.

[Dropkicked]

Just don't pull a Goose. :) Good luck! :)

[Kaffieen_Kraze]

If anyone is questioning weather or not to come to HTOP tomorrow, you can call my cell phone and find out if we are actually gonna be racing or not (due to weather). I'll be at the track at 8:30-8:45 ish.

Current forcast for tomorrow:
light showers 6:00am
windy 9:00am
partly sunny 5:00pm

Lets all cross our fingers...

Kraze

Cell: 708-646-6083

[Nexus]

anyone care to share their NTC3 set-ups for Tinley?

[xxx mike]

You can walk around the pits and see all different setups on NTC3's... it's pretty wild.. It seems like you can make it stick with all different suspension setups. Your best bet though is probably to try and copy rookie's setup if he will tell you all the HK secrets. His car looks especially hooked up most of the time.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Kaffieen_Kraze
Rookie,
Hope ya feel better soon.

Everyone else,
Look, Rookie might miss a race, which would also give all of us a chance to TQ or place 1st ( not me I still suck:p ).

Ha ok Rookie don't get mad, I'm just saying that the only way we might actually be able to beat you is......if you don't show up;) Serously hope ya feel better, racing is always more fun with more people (especially more FAST, and GOOD DRIVING, people.

Kraze

Honestly, we rather have Rookie in ther race than racing alone. We do not care about the TQ its the fun that we make @ the track. Having 3 cars close to one another and trying to be more consistent is good enough for us. It does not matter if we lose, just the fun of watching our Rc cars run like J.G.T.C. 500 and 300 class.

Hopefully, it will not rain tommorrow and Rookie will drink enough tea to make it to the race tommorrow.

[kakolitoy]

Are you guys calling the race off.

PLs. respond. It looks bad outside.

[Rookie Solara]

Guys....thanks for all the care, and yes, I am still very sick, not really sick like I cannot walk and talk, in fact, I managed to get my single speed back on my SNRS4 and ready for super class on SAT.....

However, looks like the race is off, due to the wet track....oh well, another day for me to rest,

But on top of that, I really don't want to spread the virus to the rest of you (NO, I don't have SARS, relax) just a typical stupid ass COLD from my co-worker whos always get that from his 4 children, and spread all over the office, I think I have to warn him next time to NOT come to work or I stay home.

Anyhow, Nexus/Euge/xxxmike......NTC3 is really and weird car, I am running something NO ONE is using but the outcome is still OK....on last week race and 2.4 race, my cars was running the such setting....

-2 camber front.
1 degree toe-out front
front blue springs
Oil 40
Damper - stock for foam setup (forgot already)
Diff.....forgot how many turns, I think it is the foam setup from manuel
no sway bar (hate that)
Caster - stock
Ride height....5mm (depends on the foams status...ie...how much foam left?)

-3 camber rear
2 degree toe-in rear
rear silver springs
Oil 30
Damper - again, stock
Diff - again, stock setting
No sway bar at rear
Caster - none
Ride height....5mm (depends on the foams status...ie...how much foam left?)

Engine - Nova Mega Sx-12
Pipe - duel chamber
I use some drag braking.
Foam - front 37 shore - 28 mm wide, rear 37 shore - 30mm wide.
Tank - very important..........everything but NTC3 OEM tank, they SUCKS (I use Serpent tank now)
You want to set your front diff a little tighter then the rear.
Front suspension a little harder and damp slower then the rear.

I think that is what I know about the setting for Tinley, but the car is still a little PUSH sometimes, and the above setup was figured out at the A-main.......my car was horrible from the 1st heat to the 3rd heat due to the temperature change too much.

Overall, if you have the above setting, and still cannot beat me....you know it is the driver - HA HA HA HA (just kidding man)

We honestly need to form a NTC3 team to race against those 705 like ESPO and especially ARRON..........not to mention those unknown ppl from Venture like NEAL that can beat everyone by using a HPI RS4. (I still remembered the HARPER COLLEGE times)

Agaiin, I heard the afternoon will be better, can we batch around the parking lot in the afternoon....?

Also, mab_man, if you need to #3 crystal, please let me know and I will drop that off.

[wrxdan]

Will HTOP run next Sat. to make up the race? Please please please:)

Dan

[Dropkicked]

Hey Guys,

I got my engine pretty much broke in, it's still running a little on the cool side, but it's running pretty good. I'm running into some major tune differences between full and low tank though. Could somebody maybe, possibly, out of the kindness of their hearts spare a foot or so of fuel line tomorrow? I'd really appreciate it, and of course pay for it.

Walt: I got the 2 speed hitting just right at about half tank, but like I said the tune is really changing, and at full tank it's really late. Try tightening the 2 set screw another half turn, then back out the adjustment screws from there. When I assembled mine I went a bit farther than Wolfgangs suggestion.


Tom

[kakolitoy]

Thanks for coming out today, eventhough it was windy (talk about no aerodynamic effect on all T.C.) and cold.

Your motor really made me think and I want to put some notes on diagnosing the motor. If I only had enough time and little bit warm today, I would sit down and try to isolate the problem. I really want to diagnose it because I sold a few of this motors and probably sell more. Off course, I want my consumers to be happy. If they have problems they will go back to me for support. There will be no 1800 number and no local shops to help. I think I sold the motor I need to help them to run it w/ their satisfaction. So far nobody complains. Everyone that bought the motor from me were happy and have great feedbacks (I gave them a small tip how to break in and take care of the motor). My other purpose is to add more knowledge about Top end motors. I Like top end motors, I want to widened my knowledge on tuning, maintaining, and fixing it in any time of the year or any situation.

Anyway, when you get a chance. PLs. try this, and let me know what is the results.

1.Pull the motor off the car and clean it really good. The leak that we saw might be the leak from the heatsink before we fixed the motor. Before you put the motor back make sure its dry and grease free.


2. Before you mount the dried motor back on the car, take off the whole clutch assembly. Just leave the flywheel only and its nut. Start the motor try to hear it and feel it. Warm the motor slowly like the way you do it. After a minute, try to throttle it fast like the way you want your motor to react.

Pls. let me kow the results if it still bog w/out the clutch, and pinion gear. You can PM, or post it here. I think posting it here is great so this info. will be shared. And if a racer have the same problem this might be the solution.

Good luck I hope for the best for your motor.

[racer_X]

Will there be racing at Tinley Park on the 1st? A group of us from Saint Louis plan on coming up to CHI town . The forecast looks favorable other than the cool temp and wind out of the north east. Looks like Walt is the man in charge, maybe someone could get an answer from him and post. I'll check back before we leave at 0430.

Thanks, looking forward to some good racing......:D

[xxx mike]

kakolitoy, I think you talked about a 5 port MR-12 Mugen engine? Where is there information on the internet about the MT-12 and MR-12? Maybe I am blind, but I haven't seen anything about it on mugenseiki.com. You'd think they would have a section for engines, but if it's there, it's not very easy (obvious) to find.

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah kakolitoy, thanks for your help and examination of my motor..........I don't think it is the motor, it is probably the setting and the temperature with the plug (we all know how EASY to choose the right TURBO PLUG for temperature like today....)

I didn't have time to run the RS-12 again, however, I did able to clean the whole thing up a little so I can do the examination that you are talking about...I hope. But I will disable the clutch so we don't have to worry about the clutch is the problem that bog the engine performance.

The other solution.......I will get my MT-12 heat sink, button and regular plug and run ROAR legal......if that gives me the good performance, I can care less about those TURBO plug.

I did run the Nova Mega on my NTC3 afterward, like you said, that engine does not have the problem I had on my RS-12 (no matter when I gun it, gun it immediately or slowly add GAS on it.....not a single problem).........and that tells me there is something wrong on my RS-12.

For WALT and Dropkicked.........SINGLE speed on my SNRS4 is the final answer, I don't have to worry about shift point, but you can ask kakolitoy......even with the single speed, my SNRS4 can still have the top speed like other TC, but I have NOT to worry about any of those rubbing or shift point problem......all I need is some nice FOAM for trackion.

Walt.....how come my HPI rubber tires will "BALLOON" when I am gunning my car...? I thought those low-bounce BELT insert are the one preventing that happen....and everytime I gun the car, the tires will start "ballooning" and lose traction.....any idea? Am I getting the wrong insert?

[mab_man20]

For those of us who can stand a little cold (wimps!!!! :p lol) we had a dry track and some tight racing among those who showed.


In the future if we are NOT racing i will post, if there is no post assume we are racing.


Another quick announcement: From now on we will require everyone to have a personal transponder. It is to much work to keep everything straight. This will make life a lot easier because now everyone only needs to change their crystal at the beginning of the day and before the main. I understand that some people are extrememly adament about keeping the number they purchased, but im afraid that is impossible due to the software, I appologize and hope you understand.

Thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
kakolitoy, I think you talked about a 5 port MR-12 Mugen engine? Where is there information on the internet about the MT-12 and MR-12? Maybe I am blind, but I haven't seen anything about it on mugenseiki.com. You'd think they would have a section for engines, but if it's there, it's not very easy (obvious) to find.


You are not blind, the MR12 3 port turbo is in the japanese Mugen site. The MR 12 T5 s1 is not even in the site. If you want to see the specs, I am going to have my shipment Wednesday or Thursday. I ordered 3 of this motors for the 3 racers in Tinley. That is great because Mugen USA does not even have the motor yet and racers from Chicago can get to try and drive this motor. This motor just recently came out from Japan (MR 12 5 port). I I might stop by in Tinley on Friday Thursday. You might get to see the Motors NIB and specs in their small book.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Yeah kakolitoy, thanks for your help and examination of my motor..........I don't think it is the motor, it is probably the setting and the temperature with the plug (we all know how EASY to choose the right TURBO PLUG for temperature like today....)

I didn't have time to run the RS-12 again, however, I did able to clean the whole thing up a little so I can do the examination that you are talking about...I hope. But I will disable the clutch so we don't have to worry about the clutch is the problem that bog the engine performance.

The other solution.......I will get my MT-12 heat sink, button and regular plug and run ROAR legal......if that gives me the good performance, I can care less about those TURBO plug.

I did run the Nova Mega on my NTC3 afterward, like you said, that engine does not have the problem I had on my RS-12 (no matter when I gun it, gun it immediately or slowly add GAS on it.....not a single problem).........and that tells me there is something wrong on my RS-12.

For WALT and Dropkicked.........SINGLE speed on my SNRS4 is the final answer, I don't have to worry about shift point, but you can ask kakolitoy......even with the single speed, my SNRS4 can still have the top speed like other TC, but I have NOT to worry about any of those rubbing or shift point problem......all I need is some nice FOAM for trackion.

Walt.....how come my HPI rubber tires will "BALLOON" when I am gunning my car...? I thought those low-bounce BELT insert are the one preventing that happen....and everytime I gun the car, the tires will start "ballooning" and lose traction.....any idea? Am I getting the wrong insert?



OK, anything that you will do and work for your car just let me know. At least I can put that in my small notes on diagnostic procedure.

You might be the first one will try a standard plug w/ 5 port P/S. Pls. test the car twice if you have a time. Run it in your Tc3 and SN and let me know what you felt (good and bad). I like to make the test twice to get a better reading.

There is an advantage on the turbo plug that is why I want to keep it. I careless on the fuel porting for faster acceleration. In my experience, turbo plug makes my tuning easier and get enough power. In my small test, turbo plug combust the fuel better than the standard plug. Its also great for fuel econnomy.

Anyway, just give me updates after the test. Also, do not forget to get the right torque, when your putting the screws back on the heatsink.

[Walt]

Originally posted by racer_X
Will there be racing at Tinley Park on the 1st? A group of us from Saint Louis plan on coming up to CHI town . The forecast looks favorable other than the cool temp and wind out of the north east. Looks like Walt is the man in charge, maybe someone could get an answer from him and post. I'll check back before we leave at 0430.

Thanks, looking forward to some good racing......:D

Sorry I didn't get back to you before the race yesterday... I need to start checking forums and stuff on the weekends. Anyway, obviously you figured out we were racing (or just took a chance) because the St. Louis gang was there.

For those that couldn't make it out to Tinley (Chicagoland RC Raceway) yesterday, we had another great showing and some really great racing with really great weather. We had 33 guys entered in the nitro touring car class alone, and some of our 'regulars' couldn't make it (like Howard, Jim, Neal). I think we'll be up to 40 strong in nitro touring before too long.

A group of guys made the drive from St. Louis, and these guys are good. They managed to take TQ and the race win (15 minute A-main by the way) away from Espo and Aaron. I didn't run my touring car yesterday to concentrate on my Super for a day, but I regretted that decision... I would have liked to race with those guys in the touring car class.

I did talk to the guys from St. Louis for a while, and they said that they were having a good time and would come back more this year. I like to hear that. It's a darn long drive from St. Louis, so it's nice to hear that the trip was worth it for them.

We didn't have any marshalling problems at all yesterday... other tracks take note: the trick is to put out chairs with the grid numbers on them... simple to enforce, comfortable for the marshals, keeps them spread around the track and looking at their corner... works great.

We still get an occasional 'someone turned on a radio' complaint, but it wasn't too bad. My only recommendation is to have lots of spare channels to change to.

I also heard some complaints about people hogging the frequency clips during practice... not sure what to do about that. It's just common courtesy to return the clip after a reasonable amount of time.

Overall, it was a very good day of racing. The bowling alley even had a small crew in the beer garden with the grill going serving hamburgers, hot dogs and bratwursts. At the peak of the day, I did a quick head count and there were over 60 racers plus spectators around the track. We're working on getting the food service going earlier for future races.

I'd like to extend my thanks to everyone that came out (especially those that drove 4+ hours each way to attend). We hope to see everyone back next Sunday and every Sunday the rest of the summer.

I should have results from yesterday's race up on our web site by tomorrow afternoon (forgot to get the results off the laptop yesterday... oops).

[Rookie Solara]

Wow.....staying on to the A-main is getting harder and harder now....and btw, what are they running? Serpent? AE? Mugen? Yok...?

I am still coughing like a dog.....so does my SNRS4, however, my NTC3 is getting better and better. I just can't wait to run that thing at Tinley again.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Wow.....staying on to the A-main is getting harder and harder now....and btw, what are they running? Serpent? AE? Mugen? Yok...?

I am still coughing like a dog.....so does my SNRS4, however, my NTC3 is getting better and better. I just can't wait to run that thing at Tinley again.

I was too busy to notice what they were running. They check in to this board once in a while, so maybe they can let you know what they were running.

[Euge]

wow. It was my first day running a nitro car and I had a fun time on sunday at Tinley Park! Well, it wasn't fun when I missed the first two qualifiers becasue of a busted rear shock tower and diff case I broke in practice. I was able to finally run the third qualifer and I was as shocked as anyone when T-Racer told me that I made the A main somehow!

I know Nexus is going to point to the 5 port turbo that was in the car. :P

Anyway, Nitro racing is a ton of fun. I don't know why it took me this long to get one!

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
wow. It was my first day running a nitro car and I had a fun time on sunday at Tinley Park! Well, it wasn't fun when I missed the first two qualifiers becasue of a busted rear shock tower and diff case I broke in practice. I was able to finally run the third qualifer and I was as shocked as anyone when T-Racer told me that I made the A main somehow!

I know Nexus is going to point to the 5 port turbo that was in the car. :P

Anyway, Nitro racing is a ton of fun. I don't know why it took me this long to get one!

How did you like the 15 minute main? Can't do that easily with electric. Pit stops to refuel is a cool extra factor for nitro racing, I think.

[Euge]

Originally posted by Walt
How did you like the 15 minute main? Can't do that easily with electric. Pit stops to refuel is a cool extra factor for nitro racing, I think.

Loved it! I probably would have loved it more if I didn't have problems with my car during the main. I probably only ran 8 mins of the 15 minute main, but I'm not complaining. It was sweet! great job running the program once again, Walt and Tony.

Pit stops to refuel was cool, but right now since I'm new to Nitro, it was a little stressful, because I still don't have a good idea of how long I can go on one tank. With the 15 minute main, I was guessing once every 5 minutes, but maybe I could have just done one at the 8 min mark......(if I had run the whole 15 minutes).
I also found out the car was running very lean since Nexus checked the temp and it was super hot. All that and running foams for the first time (in electric I ran nothing but rubber), it was a lot to think about for a first timer.

[Rookie Solara]

So by the end of this season, we should be able to do a 30 minutes main and 15 minutes qualifiers, right....?

Now I know how ppl use 1-2 gallon of fuel and $100 of foam tires per race day.........

I was watching F1A Monacco yesterday morning.........picturing someone can fueled my RC car, changed all my tires and cleaned the windowshield in less then 8 seconds.......:D

[Nexus]

Tinley was great...

running Nitro TC for the first time went well. i finished 2nd in the B Main to Anthony(i think that's his name). weird that i think something got stuck in a wheel or something cause i lost steering going left for about 2 laps...then it came back.


the 15 minute A Main i think works great.... the resort worked even better.

Is it really that much trouble walt to resort after every heat? just wondering....just about every track out there does resorts and i'm sure a majority of racers are accustomed to it.

i think having the resort is to every racers advantage....sometimes i see to much of a descrepency from the 1st to last guy in the qualifiers.


GREAT RACING....can't wait for next Sunday....need to sneak into the A Main.

[chicago rc]

-----2nd Running of the Chicago R/C Club's 2.4 Hour Enduro-----

When: Saturday June 21st
Where: Venture Raceways In Libertyville, IL
Cost: $10 per driver, 3-4 drivers per team required
What: 2 hours and 24 minutes non-stop, Nitro (any small block) and Electric (stock or mod) touring cars

See all the details and a recap of our 1st enduro that took place on May 25th at http://www.chicagorc.com

Sign up today! Space is limited and frequencies are first come first serve!

Brian
http://www.chicagorc.com

[Hanibel]

SUNSCREEN !!! :D :cool: :D


For my first time it was great. I think if i had a better motor, I would have at least felt competitive in the electric races.

Next week should be better. Getting the new motor tomorrow or Wednesday.

Speaking of motors (and tires) for all of you former electric guys:

What tires would you recommend for Tinley. Foam or rubber? and then all the other specs - shore, tread, size, etc.

Also, any suggestion for stock or modified motor .

Thanks

[Nexus]

han.

i ran a stock motor and rubber tires....mostly because that is what the majority runs and it's fair that way.

stock motor:
Monster Stock Pro - used lighter springs or bent the stiff red spring to make it a tiny bit loose.

tires:
TakeOff CS27s worked really well, my buddy ran Sorex 28Rs with success as well.

using that in my Factory Team TC3 and GP3300s i tq'd and won the electric races i entered at Tinley.


if you run the monster stock with decent batteries and one of those tires you should be fine....it all come down to driving anyway. i don't buy super top of the line expensive stuff for my cars...

i'm sure if you looked at my TC3 or NTC3 you will see my servos, gear, ect is pretty basic....no digital servos or anything fancy for me...actually the servos i run for the TC3 and NTC3 were only $40 new :cool:

[Nexus]

lessoned learned this weekend...

don't forget to put your transponder in!! :mad:


i made some set-up changes for the 3rd heat hoping to make it to the A Main...the first 4-6 laps i think i past almost everyone or stayed ahead...but realized my name was not being called out...DOH...no transponder.

i think i finished 2nd in every heat (that i used a transponder) and in the B Main.


MAB....buy transponders for HTOP?? is that the only way you can race there? how much are they again? that's might push some people away...especially since the transponders can't be used elsewhere.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
Tinley was great...

.... the resort worked even better.

Is it really that much trouble walt to resort after every heat? just wondering....just about every track out there does resorts and i'm sure a majority of racers are accustomed to it.

i think having the resort is to every racers advantage....sometimes i see to much of a descrepency from the 1st to last guy in the qualifiers.

Well, resorting, from a computer perspective is easy enough. In fact, I can easily set Alycat (our race software) to resort after every qualifier automatically. The problem is only from a race director's (my) perspective. Every time I resort, I have to sort out unresolvable frequency conflicts, and you'd be surprised how many guys still show up to races with just one available frequency. So it turns out to be a bunch of manual adjustments, pushing people into different mains or getting guys to run around looking for backup crystals. What I can do is simply tell people that they need at least 3 frequencies to be safe. If there is an unresolvable frequency conflict, and they are the lower qualifier, they can't run.

But I also need to print out the new grids (no big deal) and announce, several times, that everyone needs to check the new printouts. Inevitably, there are some guys that get confused, but I guess they will catch on soon enough. The whole process is much easier with personal transponders, because then at least the transponder numbers aren't changing around.

Here's what I'm going to do for now and see how it goes. I'll grid people into the qualifiers based on how they did in the week prior (so we should be pretty close to start with), and I'll resort for the 3rd qualifier like I did last week, since that's when we do the 45 minute break anyway. Resorting after the first and second rounds would stretch the race day out by at least an hour, and we're already finishing up around 5pm (4pm if I can get the races started on time). So I'm not quite ready to take on that burden just yet.

We'll see how resorting for the third qualifier goes, and if it starts to go really smoothly (the resort for the third round, that is), we can consider doing it for every round.

Thanks for the suggestions. Keep them coming (well, except for the suggestion that I need to get the track smoother... I'm already aware of that one... working on it... if this keeps going well this year, there is a darn good chance we'll be racing on new asphalt and possibly a new permanent track next year). We want to make this the best RC racing experience possible.

-Walt

[Walt]

Originally posted by Walt
Where can I find lower rate springs for the Associated 2-speed 2nd gear clutch? I agree, this is the most likely solution to the problem. I'm not even sure if I know how I can measure the existing spring rate so that I can specify a lower rate to try to find. I can measure the free length of the existing spring, along with the diameter, number of coils and diamter of the spring wire, but what I'd really like to figure out is the spring rate... that might be difficult to measure on such a small spring.

I wonder if Associated can give me that information? I'll ask them...

Not sure if anyone cares about this old topic any more, but AE did get back to me. They said that the springs in their 2-speed have a spring rate of 24 lb/in (sounds high to me... I'll have to take one out and do a rationality check on it... wonder if they couldn't have meant 24 oz/in instead). Anyway, if we can find some springs of the same length with a slightly lower rate, we might be able to get these 2-speeds to shift properly in our Super Nitros.

[mab_man20]

Nexus: I realize that it may drive away a few people, but right now we are losing money because we have to replace transponders almost every race. Also everyone will agree that currently it is a pain in the arse to locate the transponder/crystal they need due to no-one putting them back and if i ask the person who ran that number in the previous heat they tell me its their crystal and they wont give it up...so now im running around looking for a missing crystal making my experience purely unenjoyable and slowing down the flow of racing. If everyone has their own transponder nothing goes missing and we will always know where each number is.

they cost $18 or are free with the HTOP club membership

We also just got a PA system so we will be able to make better announcements.

Im slowly leaning closer and closer to getting a nitro again.

How long do foams last at tinley??

[kakolitoy]

Any results last Sunday?

[Walt]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Nexus: I realize that it may drive away a few people, but right now we are losing money because we have to replace transponders almost every race. Also everyone will agree that currently it is a pain in the arse to locate the transponder/crystal they need due to no-one putting them back and if i ask the person who ran that number in the previous heat they tell me its their crystal and they wont give it up...so now im running around looking for a missing crystal making my experience purely unenjoyable and slowing down the flow of racing. If everyone has their own transponder nothing goes missing and we will always know where each number is

I'm with you man... working with the track owned transponders is a pain. I talked this over with the bowling alley owner last week (now that he is the sole owner of the track), and we decided to just charge an extra $5 to anyone that uses one of our track transponders. We debated having that $5 work as a credit towards buying one, but the fact is, those track transponders are taking a lot of damage and will probably need to be replaced before to long. We need to charge people to rent them to cover the cost of buying new ones when they start to break.

I really hope that by the end of this season, all our regulars will have their own personal transponder at Tinley, but if they want to keep renting ours for $5/day, they can do that.

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Any results last Sunday?

They should be up on our web site soon.

[kakolitoy]

-Walt
Thanks for the suggestions. Keep them coming (well, except for the suggestion that I need to get the track smoother... I'm already aware of that one... working on it... if this keeps going well this year, there is a darn good chance we'll be racing on new asphalt and possibly a new permanent track next year). We want to make this the best RC racing experience possible.


Hopefully, we can race in the permanent track soon.

Also, any chances of Saturday On road (just wondering) :) ?

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
-Walt
[B]Hopefully, we can race in the permanent track soon.

Also, any chances of Saturday On road (just wondering) :) ?

Sorry. Not enough guys to split between Saturday and Sunday. We still plan to run off road on Saturdays, as soon as we get the track finished. If/when we get the permanent track, it will be available often for practice, and we'll probably increase our race frequency as well (since the set up won't be so difficult).

BTW: results from Sunday are on our web site now: www.chicagolandrc.com

Click on 'race results', and then June 1st onroad.

[kakolitoy]

Introducing the, Novarossi Mugen MR 12 5pt.

Based on the Novarossi S5, but by Mugen standard.

I received 4 motors last night and I kept one for my own experiment and reviews.

It was easy to brake in and very good in idling. I idle it for 2 tanks (which I normally do). Then, I started leaning the motor.

Room temp of 75f using Byron 25% :

The motor stayed 198f after the 3rd tank in 20 min. interval. I can feel a lot of RPM in high speed and keep really good in the low end. The tank ran out of fuel in exactly 7 min. and 48 sec.


198f is a good temp, but I can lean it a little bit more. In the 4th tank I lean it little bit more in 15 degree more in the high needle. After 5 min. Temp. was 234f. I WOT @ least 6 sec. pretending I am in the track. It ran out of fuel in exactly 8 min. and 2 sec.

So far, this motor is easier to run than My Novamega, Collari, and JP motors but about the same as the RS12. I have to see this on the track @ least 78f ambient temp. to finish the whole experiment and get a better reading.

BTW: I know Walt and Rookie do not need the review, whatever they run they will be in the A main. This review is good for the people that is thinking of buying a new motor or a second motor.

[kakolitoy]

Someone needs new hardware. I have few more that came in.

thanks for looking :cool:

[Dropkicked]

Well it seems there are more and more converts from the cal city drag racing scene. I got bombarded with questions on the phone a little while ago, and answered to the best of my ability, but I don't run 1:10 so I need some help here to get this guy out and running. Now keep in mind he has a lot of experience with nitro cars, just not on a track, so tuning and what not shouldn't be a major issue.

As far as cars go, he is thinking TC3 or 705 (duh). He asked my opinion, and I said he might as well spend the few bucks more for a 705 ~$100 difference. Am I right here? I figure serpent has the same parts availability around here, has proven to be a good car, comes with the centax, etc. If I'm wrong, just tell me. What I've been told left and right up to this point is the serpents come set up pretty good right out of the box, while the TC3 needs some hopups to really compete with the 705.

Now for engines. I told him what I've been reading here and passed on as much as I could about what I've read. Now I need a suggestion. MT12, MR12, RS12, not to mention the other 500 engines available. The ones I mentioned just seem to be very popular at Tinley, and Running a similar engine would surely be helpful when it comes time for tuning questions, where to get parts etc. What kind of prices are out there for these engines, and how available are they?

If someone has prices on stuff that they have, (sounds like Kakolitoy is sold out) please feel free to email me if you don't want to advertise to the world.

Thanks in Advance,

Tom

[kakolitoy]

If someone has prices on stuff that they have, (sounds like Kakolitoy is sold out) please feel free to email me if you don't want to advertise to the world.


If you need one of the Mr12. Do not worry It will be here in 3 to 4 days. Just let me know this week, so next shipping I will have the motor for you. You can ask Triple x so I can have the motors @ the same time.

I cleared this motors last Friday, and I recieved it last night. Just keep doing your research and let me know which motor do you need.

This MR12 S5 is not even in the site. It does not have a spec from Mugen. I decided to test it myself to tell the racers how was the motor.

I sold it for $210. I think my price, is reasonable. I check most shops that carry this such as Ashford, and Winner's and my price is lower plus no shipping and tax free. With free delivery @ the track. They put the motor in their site, but they do not have it. They might have this motor next month, and I can have more in 4 days. Even Mugen USA does not have this motor (They carry JP and Mugen, but Mugen USA sucks in costumer service).

Also, do not worry about parts. I might stock up some P/S for the racers. Anyway, it only takes 3 to 4 days.

Just let me know, which two motors you want to compare. I tried almost all good motors out there except for Rossi, and Sirio.

[Dropkicked]

Thanks for the reply. I'm sure your price is reasonable. In your opinion which engine would be the best choice? As you know I'm not a 1:10 guy and my knowledge of the high end engines is little to none. I can only tell so much by specs alone, I need opinions from the guys that actually run these engines. He says he going to do this within the next 2 weeks, sooo... in that time he needs to track down a car and engine. I just don't have the experience to advise, and don't want to steer him in the wrong direction. I've seen the way you handle yourself, and the help you're giving the guys you've sold engines to, so I feel confident sending him your way for an engine.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
Thanks for the reply. I'm sure your price is reasonable. In your opinion which engine would be the best choice? As you know I'm not a 1:10 guy and my knowledge of the high end engines is little to none. I can only tell so much by specs alone, I need opinions from the guys that actually run these engines. He says he going to do this within the next 2 weeks, sooo... in that time he needs to track down a car and engine. I just don't have the experience to advise, and don't want to steer him in the wrong direction. I've seen the way you handle yourself, and the help you're giving the guys you've sold engines to, so I feel confident sending him your way for an engine.


I will compare the Rs 12 and the MR12. if you can wait in 2 hours. I will go to my practice area now. I will run both motors in the same car (705), same gears, both new trued tires (total of 4 pairs of tires), same fuel, same body, and same temp and running time. 2 tanks each. My prcatice area is huge, longer than Tinley park. Enough space to run a 8th scale.

So far, in my breaking in procerdures. The MR12 is very similar to the Rs12. I just have to see the motor runs with car so I can see what is the difference in tuning and power.

OK, got to go . I cannot wait to see the answers on my experiment too. Talk to you in 2 or 3 hours.

[TC3PO]

I am thinking of getting a new engine as well, I will wait for your expert advice :rolleyes:

[Nexus]

i think that gridding according to the previous week is not bad....unless you didn't race the previous week or it's your first time there.

at the very least i think resorting for heat 3 is a great idea.



Just finished the set-up on my NTC3...i basically ran it how i bought it...with new tires and fixed the ride height on sunday. the droop was almost non-existant, camber was almost 4deg, ect, ect.

hopefully these changes will let me make the A Main :P

you in this week Rookie so we can start the assault on the 705s :eek: heleolol

[kakolitoy]

Ok, it took me a little bit longer because I compared 3 motors.

Novamaga MS 5 pt, Novarossi RS12 s5, and Mugen Mr12 5 pt.

1. High end power: Its almost identical they all have the same pick up.

2. Low end power: I would say same feeling in low end, about the same.

3. Idle after 3 min of run 68f outside: The novamega dies fisrt in 1:20 sec. Mr 12 3:13 sec. and Rs12 2:41 sec.

4. Temp. after second tank exactly 10 min. interval: Sx12 M.S. 264 F, Rs12 234, MR12 201. I cannot get a exact temp. There were @ least 15 to 25 difference in F.

Overall performance: I come up with Sx12 is most of time need to be in a leaner mixture to get a better performance. The RS12 and MR12 could be in 160f to 195f and still can have great perforemnce.

In my opinion, I would go for the MR12. Its almost the same in performance with RS12, but its from Mugen. We have a Mugen USA, so if I do not have the parts Al's, Leisure, Venture, or online shops that carry Mugen motors might have parts that he needs. Local shops can order from Mugen USA right away, or might have the stock in case my source ran out of stock. Novarossi is really hard for parts. Paris used to carry NOvarossi, and now Trinity is still having hard time distributing the RS12. I recommend the MR12 because it has a better parts availabilty than RS12 and easier to tune than the SX12.

Hope this helps. Need more info. you can call or email.

BTW: If anyone wants to try this test or already did the test, pls. post the results. In that way, I can see how accurate were my results.

thanks

[Dropkicked]

Kakolitoy,

Thanks again for the reply. I passed the information along already. He's going to be out at Tinley again sunday spectating, etc. so if you're there I might introduce you and let you give him the low down yourself. I told how you were taking care of everything, and he was glad to hear it. I guess it's all hinging on the sale of one of his other cars, which might sell this saturday, so he may be ready real fast.

[Hanibel]

I noticed that you guys are selling off some of your electric stuff. If you have anything left, let me know. I might be interested.

Thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
Kakolitoy,

Thanks again for the reply. I passed the information along already. He's going to be out at Tinley again sunday spectating, etc. so if you're there I might introduce you and let you give him the low down yourself. I told how you were taking care of everything, and he was glad to hear it. I guess it's all hinging on the sale of one of his other cars, which might sell this saturday, so he may be ready real fast. .

Thanks drop,

I am not going to make it this Sunday. One of our fellow racer (Noel) have a new baby and I am one of the Godfather. I have to attend Christening on Sunday @ noon

Anyway, Don got the rest of the 3 motors. Hopefully, they will run @ least one of the MR12. In that way he can witness the power and consistency of this motor. I am very tired taking the motor, pipe, new tires, and clutch. :eek:


Hope that racer will pick the right motor.

[xxx mike]

If anyone wants to make that test and post the results??? Are you offering to stick your engines in other peoples cars?

I'll take that for my NTC3 test.. first we'll track my laptimes from my MT-12 to your 5pt, then we'll count how many laps (or how many seconds) it takes me to crash and break the car with each engine. :)

I have a feeling the 5pt will win in atleast one category!! hehe I can not even handle what I have, I'd probably be slower on a faster engine.. if I had a car left at the end of the race.

Anyways, all kidding aside, thanks for your opinions. Atleast it tells what I was guessing anyway.. all the 5pt novarossi based engines are basically the same thing.

[mab_man20]

The Second annual Nitro vs Electric Challange will be held at HobbyTown Oak Park on July 12!

The top 5 finishers in the Nitro TC and Electric TC A-mains will fill out a field of ten and go at it to determine which is better!

The scoring will be as follows:
First place gets 0 points, second 2 pts, third 3 pts, etc.
The Team (nitro/electric) with the lowest points wins!


More rules will be posted on www.chicagorc.com very soon and I will post the flier as soon as we get it.




How different in performance is the MT-12 and the MR-12?
How easy are they to tune compared to an O.S. TR?

[xxx mike]

I've had a TR w/slide and have MT-12's with slide. Both are a breeze to tune. The MT (novarossi slide) has a wider band where you can set your needles and get good performance, where the OS has a bit more of a narrow band where you need to keep it at. Just basically is saying that the OS needles are more sensative to adjustment then the novarossi needles. Both of them I never have had a tuning problem with, but I prefer the MT-12 and novarossi carb because it lets you run your engine in what seems like a wider tuning range then a OS carb.

Between the MR and MT I do not know. I have not had a MR yet. Hopefully it's not just a re-badged RB X12.

[Rookie Solara]

MR-12 is short stroke and MT-12 is the traditional long stroke.....travelling are the different, and I think MR-12 should edge the MT-12 cause it is newer.

About elect/nitro........do we have enough elect (5) versus (5) nitro...?

And 10 cars on the HTOP track...? Are you sure...?

Tinley run 10 cars MAIN most of the time and 8 cars heat.........

Just wondering........

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
If anyone wants to make that test and post the results??? Are you offering to stick your engines in other peoples cars?

I'll take that for my NTC3 test.. first we'll track my laptimes from my MT-12 to your 5pt, then we'll count how many laps (or how many seconds) it takes me to crash and break the car with each engine. :)

I have a feeling the 5pt will win in atleast one category!! hehe I can not even handle what I have, I'd probably be slower on a faster engine.. if I had a car left at the end of the race.

Anyways, all kidding aside, thanks for your opinions. Atleast it tells what I was guessing anyway.. all the 5pt novarossi based engines are basically the same thing.

Sure!!!

thanks Mike,

I do not want my new 950 to run for just break in. In .12 motors its hard to say the differnce, but in .21 its a different story.

Here is a Novarossi JP modified RS21 Race. I would like to compare this to my Novamega evo 5 .21 M.S. Rex Sp, Rb modified collari, and Rody.

I would love for you to run my motor, Just put a body and roll bar handle, and I will provide the Zip tie to protect my heatsink. you can put this in your Sn or NTC3 that would be great.

BTW: This NIB I need to idle one tank @ least. Also, we can go to torrence and meet the guy named Rick heheeh :)

[kakolitoy]

This motor is properly broke in already. It had 8 tanks of 125 cc in my Veteq. You can choose which one do u want to run. Or run both, I will be gald I do not have to bench my Jp motor.

[Dropkicked]

I'd like to see either of those on a SN. Me thinks whoever does it is gonna need some wheel adapter though. :)

Kakolitoy, you've got mail.

[kakolitoy]

How different in performance is the MT-12 and the MR-12?

I had a OS TR (not the 5 port, not SG it was on my losi GTX) it was very easy to tune. It does not matter how hot or cold it is outside it will run good. I still have O.S. I have a Vo1b .21 in my Kyosho monster truck.

OS is very reliable @ the track, I am just not satisfied on its RPM and power.

MT-12 have a great reputation. Its a very consistent, fast, easy to tune motor. Its still a great motor.

I think from the power I saw yesterday. The MR12 will definitely outpower the MT12. Tuning the MR12 is easy and great in any weather.

Now, this is your decision. If you will just race @ HTOP. I would suggest get the OS TR.

If your looking forward to race @ Tinley. If you want to save some cash I would get the MT12. However, if you want to get closer to Espo I would get the MR12 5 pt.

Hope this helps

[xxx mike]

Ricky.. ehh? captain trash talker would be a better name for him!

No point in trying to drag race him. His car goes in a straight line ONLY, I don't think he even knows what a road course is (until he came out to look at it sunday). His car is very fast in a straight line. I don't see any reason why I'd want to top him now, because if I did I'd be spending a LOT of money on the car to do it and if I lost I wouldn't want to hear his jabber jaw flapping in the wind for the next eternity. - I considered this with an Impact 4wd, but you'd need serious motor to do it.. and the more money you dump into your car, the less you really want to run it out there with zero frequency control. (atleast you have non-us channels, but I dont). With all the constant smack talk, it aint even worth it. Costs too much to play out there. Tinley is much more fun.

I have a few videos from there if you want to see them. I don't think I digitized any of Ricky's car because all the races I taped with him in it, his car glitched and went into the crowd or otherwise off the drag strip. (.21 powered car for drag race, running on a AM HPI RTR radio) and he wonders why he gets radio hits with a $50 (or less) radio. But I do have a few of a guy named Ivan. He's got a 1/10 serpent with a .21 in it.. I think it's a regular Impulse, and a Evo5 MS. He is a Fast straight liner too. Probably one of the fastest guys that can run consistantly, time after time without breaking somthing or having glitches.

--- And I am just kidding about trying a motor. Only a joke. I know that I would break my car even faster with more motor in it, and thats what I want to avoid. In my head I understand that not crashing wins races, but lately I am not able to control myself and make myself operate how I know is right. Instead, I drive stupid and break the car every week. I thought that normally you get better at driving the more you do it, but I am just getting worse. Maybe it's time to reduce myself down to an old OS .12 CV :P

[Dropkicked]

Man, I was trying to avoid the xxxmike rant... oh well.

Ricky's the guy I'm talking about. He said he's getting bored with torrence, and that whole scene. He wants to get on the track, win or lose. He basically said he's got to find something different before he get's too bored and just gets out of the hobby completely.

He also mention radios. He's gona drop the cash for a good FM this time around. I know alot of the guys at torrence are great smack talkers, and that's a small part of why I don't run out there. Been there a few times, but that's about it. Ricky's cars are straight line fast, no doubt, and that is all they are good for. He knows that. That's why he was at the track sunday, and that's why he's coming out this sunday. He want's to see what guys are running on the track. I don't know him real well, just from seeing him around (torrence, leisure hours, etc), but he knows that he's not gonna rule the track. I told him he's gonna be in the D class, and he seems cool with that. The way he came off to me is that he just wants to come out and have fun, so hopefully he'll keep the trash talk in Cal City. I know it won't fly at the track like it does at torrence.

We'll see.........

[Nexus]

mab_man20:

i have the O.S .12 TR in my NTC3....it had plenty of power in my opinion.

as far as tuning it ran great all weekend. the hottest it got was 260 degrees after the 10 minute main.


do you need more power then that...maybe. i finished 2nd in the B Main in my first Nitro race on sunday. we'll see if i can sneak up to the A Main this sunday with my O.S TR.


i'm sure in the future with practice and experience i could benefit from a more powerful engine...but for now the TR is more then enough.

[mab_man20]

Thanks for the input on engines guys.

Rookie: I have thought about that, if we have 4 or fewer electric guys then we will run 4 or fewer cars each. Also we may run only 8, we ran 9 electrics a few weeks ago and we were ok. It will be addressed.

kakolitoy: What is your price for a new MR-12?

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Hanibel
I noticed that you guys are selling off some of your electric stuff. If you have anything left, let me know. I might be interested.

Thanks

I ran electric for a long time. I picked up nitro about a year ago. I just have the sorex tires left and a bunch of off road stuff. I have what's left of a pan car that is going to make a fun 4th of July display:)

Dan

[kakolitoy]

You have mail :)

[mab_man20]

kakolitoy: Ill be in touch.


How many super/impact guys are usually at Tinley??

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
kakolitoy: Ill be in touch.


How many super/impact guys are usually at Tinley??


check the results in

www.Chicagolandrc.com


At least you can get the average!!

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
check the results in

www.Chicagolandrc.com


At least you can get the average!!

I've done that already, so I can save you the effort.

In our 4 races so far, we've had: 6, 9, 7 and 7 in the Super/Impact class.

[Nexus]

hopefully the weather holds out for sunday...so far schedule looks like it might rain late sunday.

anyone doing a double this weekend?

venture - Sat
chicagoland raceway - Sun

[Nexus]

Non-Contact Infrared Thermometer

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F008%5F007%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=22%2D325


thought i would share this with you guys...

i just bought that radioshack temp gauge and it works great! after purchasing it i tested it dozens of times against a Raytek gun. from 12" or less the radioshack gauge was either dead on or only 1-3 degrees off from the Raytek. i tried different distances and surfaces and the results did not change.

the radioshack gauge also has a small clip so you can wear it on your belt while at the track.

for only 29.99 i'd say it's a great deal (it's on sale right now from 49.99).

if anyone wants to see it i will have it at Tinley on sunday. :D

[Dropkicked]

Somebody posted about these on abnother board last time they were on sale (6 months ago or so). They took it apart, and posted pictures of the inside... the circuit board says "raytek". Just to back Nexus, they are supose to be just as accurate as the MT-4. The other cool thing about those is that all you have to do is reem a hole the same size right above the engine, and an get accurate temp every time.

Thanks for letting us know they're on sale again.

[Rookie Solara]

The problem I have on my RAYTEG gun, can't read the temp when I have the body on it, seems like there is a distance problem for the gun to READ the temperature, and I am not happy about that.

Now, I have to use those stupid looking MIP on board guage for me to know the engine temperature, and I heard they are usually 20-30 degree higher then it suppose to be.

On my temp gun, I read 100 degree F all the time when I finished a 10 minutes main.......I really "WISH" my engine was that cool after 10 minutes.:mad:

[kakolitoy]

Damn Rain :(

Thinking about Venture tommorrow :D

[Dropkicked]

The raytek guns have a ratio of i believe 8:1 on the MT2 and MT4. So from 4 inches away the measurement area is 1/2". I have a Raytek Raynger ST which is 12:1 so it's a little better, but still varies with distance. I don't know what the radioshack one is, but they are known to work pretty good.

[xxx mike]

Rookie, if you come out on sunday would you put my NTC3 on your setup board and show me where everything is at so I can adjust everything equally? I've never done any sort of setup board, and I am sure my car is not at it's optimum chassis setup. I would really like to get it as equal and level as possible, so I can mainly concentrate on figuring out how to drive better. It was probably close before, but I have taken the whole thing apart this past week and re-assembled (for repairs) and now I'm sure everything is tweaked.

[Dropkicked]

I sent you a PM.

[Nexus]

kaliko...i'll be at Venture if the weather is nice enough to race.


rookie? why wouldn't the raytek gun work? those guns are more accurate the closer they are to the heat source. using it on your NTC3 w/ the body on it should only be about a couple inches away...don't you temp it from the same hole where the glow igniter is placed?

just wondering.

weather from chicagotribune.com for Sat/Sun

76deg Continued mild with more clouds than sun. Winds turn southwest and remain light.

73deg Clouds build during the day with a chance of thunderstorms by evening. Some storms may be strong.

Walt - will you post something Sunday morning about if there is racing or not? what other way could we find out...call?

[kakolitoy]

kaliko...i'll be at Venture if the weather is nice enough to race.

We like Venture, its just far and you have to call if you want something to eat.

I still like the track, good enviroment and cool organizers too (Darrin). Every time we go there we always have fun. Hopefully, everything will be ok so we can hit Libertyville.

Anyway, if we go there tommorrow I would like to see your temp gun. :cool:

[pev942]

hey everyone its jj i finally got registered here

dont forget we have micro racing every wednesday night

well almost every wednesday walt what happened this week

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
Walt - will you post something Sunday morning about if there is racing or not? what other way could we find out...call?

To find out if we're racing or not at Chicagoland R/C Raceway (Tinley), simply log onto our web site: www.chicagolandrc.com

We will decide whether or not we're even heading out there by 8am, so if you don't see an announcement on our home page saying we're cancelling by 8am, you know that we'll at least be out there. Of course, even if we go out there we could still be rained out, so all it means is that we thought there was a good chance that we'd get in some racing.

Calling the bowling alley also works, but since they don't open until noon on Sundays now, that really won't do much good anymore.

I'll also try to post here if we're not racing, but our web page is the best place to see our decision.

For now, let's still hope for nice weather tomorrow.

[Walt]

Originally posted by pev942
hey everyone its jj i finally got registered here

dont forget we have micro racing every wednesday night

well almost every wednesday walt what happened this week

Well, the bowling alley isn't the most organized business I've every seen... they forgot we had the room and booked another party. I'm making sure that we are on the schedule for every Wednesday from now on. If there is a conflict where they want to use the room for another party, they should let us know at least 2 weeks in advance.

We're going to try to make sure that same thing doesn't happen again... sorry about that.

[Nexus]

thanks for the info Walt.

looks like today should be good for racing at Venture if anyone is going....kakolitoy...i'm 100% going to Venture w/ my new temp gun :D

anyone else going to make it out?

weather tomorrow looks 'OK' so far. sounds like the rain will hold out till later in the day.


if anyone wants one i'll grab a few "Illinois State Onroad Champs" registration forms from Venture and bring them on Sunday.

[mab_man20]

Im going nitro too! (for the summer that is)

I will still run electric at HTOP, but i will be down at Tinley running nitro every sunday after i get my car.

Nexus: Id ask you to get me one, but my luck would have it that im leaving for vacation that saturday. :(

kakolitoy: Im not sure what i did with your number, can you give me a price for a MR-12 3 port (i want to keep it legal)

Thanks

What tire shores are good? Run 26mm fronts and 30mm rear??

I need tire info.

[kakolitoy]

I forgot I have a Dentist appointment today (sucks and my teeth feels wierd). Have to cancel Venture (really sucks).

[g12314]

Very Frustrated today. I went to the Hobbytown in Niles today to race my NTC3 and my electric OB4. Started off a fun day as there were alot of people to race with, however there was NO ONE keeping track of frequencies. On three sperate occasions, people in the pits turned their radios on during races. I can understand once, but THREE TIMES. Twice leading races with my OB4, then bam no control. Once with the NTC3. Thank goodness the NTC3 was right at the start of the race as that car can hurt someone real bad.

I'm done with going there, so now I need an alternitive, something more organized. I assume HTOP, and Tinley are better? The NTC3 is my preferred car to race. Which track is better suited for it?

Thanks,
Jimmy

[Rookie Solara]

Believe it or not, I was at VENTURE this morning.....the sun, and the blue sky really makes me all PUMPS UP and drive all the way over there......even though I am not planning to touch my RC this week.

......but later on, I found out...........NO ONE WAS THERE at 11:30am???????

***?

I read the schedule from www.chicagorc.com....10-12 practice, and race start at 12:00 till end...

I was there 11:30am and worrying I might not be able to race....and found out, the store was closed, and there are no one at the track....am I reading the wrong TIME zone? 10-12PM and race start at 12:00am till morning...? Or Eastern time...or may be Western time......? Or Hong Kong time...? Which I can understand, cause I was 1/2 a day late........

GREAT RACE DAY for me.....

And tomorrow.......not sure, WIFE does not actuing friendly lately, but if I show up, I will help set up xxxmike's car, and I can have NEXUS to see why my temp gun always read 115 degree on a 300 degree super HOT engine...I will let the COPS figure that out.

So......keep the finger crossing, hope my wife will let me race, and the most important.....NO RAIN.

P.S.......very much done with the MICRO untill winter time, the parking lot style traffic, the lack of speed, and the most important.....unexpected NO RACE at the door after 1 hour of traffic....besdies, racing at the weekend is tough enough for me now, I can spend some time with my TV, interent and my wife for the weekday...but still, I will show up once in a while.

[kakolitoy]

What is the schedule in Venture for Saturday NItro race. Good thing I did not cancel to see our dentist today. Or else, it would be a really crappy day for me and my G.F.

[Nexus]

the schedule ont there is wrong.

the new Sat. schedule is 12:00 doors open - 2pm racing starts.

i went today...but didn't stay for the main...had to leave.

qualified 3rd though.



hope the weather is great for tomorrow!

[Nexus]

rookie...if i can't figure out why your temping doesn't work you can use my S&W .9mm temp gun.

[pev942]

thanks walt

hopefully you will be able to race wednesdays again sometime

i wish i could afford a nitro car and had the time to maintain it so now i will stick to the micros

jj

[Nexus]

6:15am and the sun is out so far....


:D

"i think i'll go for a walk outside...summer suns calling my name..."
stupid brady bunch song

[Rookie Solara]

7:58am....driveway is wet, but cloudy up above for now, wife is actually saying "GO AHEAD, have fun driving to TINLEY and come back in 2 hours..." that pissed me off.....I htink I will have to prove that she is wrong (will be back in 1 hour instead)

Thanks Nexus....I've got the feeling VENTURE start at 12:00pm cause that's what they did last eyar....and thanks to BRIAN (chicagorc header), I've had a great race day yesterday.

If I cannot figure out my temping, can I go to your special "STORAGE LOCKERS" an choose my own favorite? I always like 'LEATHAL WEAPON" and "DIE HARD".....so Berrata 92R is definitely my kind of "Tool"

Will see ya lall at Tinley today.....and get those 30R /35F foams ready.......you will need them today.

Today's weather from CLTV...........

Today...Showers and thunderstorms this morning...then becoming partly cloudy by afternoon with a 30 percent chance of more showers. High near 70. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.

[Nexus]

rookie...was thinking about your temp gun after seeing it.

it seems to work sometimes depending on distance and how you aim it....maybe the glass is all dirty and distort the infra red beam?? maybe try cleaning it with a q-tip or something then test it out.


Walt.

can you post the results from today even though we did not finish? i wanted to take a look at my times.....thought i did well enough to possibly make the "A" this week...Damn that rain! :mad:

:cool: :D

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
Walt.

can you post the results from today even though we did not finish? i wanted to take a look at my times.....thought i did well enough to possibly make the "A" this week...Damn that rain! :mad:

:cool: :D

Done (partial results on our web site)... and this is the first time I actually did it myself (my brother the web master tought me yesterday how to post to our site)...

That was some good racing today until it started to rain. We're planning on running the same layout next week since we never got to finish with it today.

Is there any interest in having us set up our 'Sunday' track on either Friday night or Saturday night as a 'test and tune' day? We're just bouncing the idea around... Saturday night would be better because we could leave the track set up over night, but we're not sure anyone would want to run Saturday night and then again Sunday morning... again, just thinking out loud here.

[Nexus]

walt...thanks for the update you webmaster :P

since you are keeping the layout the same....are you going to grid according to the results today?


a test & tune would be cool.....i just can't make it either day. i either race sat/sun or sun only. can't sneak away that long.

[Dropkicked]

Wow, looks like alot of people broke today. I just looked at some of the results, and in alot of them half the cars didn't start, or had only a couple laps.

Also looks like it was a pretty fast track today. Alot more open than the past couple weeks?

I'm probably out for at least another weekend. Start a new job tomorrow morning at 5AM, and I'll be working 5-3:30 Mon-Sat. OUCH! Oh well, lots of green stuff for new toys :) 705? hmmmmmm

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
Done (partial results on our web site)... and this is the first time I actually did it myself (my brother the web master tought me yesterday how to post to our site)...

That was some good racing today until it started to rain. We're planning on running the same layout next week since we never got to finish with it today.

Is there any interest in having us set up our 'Sunday' track on either Friday night or Saturday night as a 'test and tune' day? We're just bouncing the idea around... Saturday night would be better because we could leave the track set up over night, but we're not sure anyone would want to run Saturday night and then again Sunday morning... again, just thinking out loud here.\



Saturday night, Saturday night!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can even help setting up the track and still pay practice fee. Saturday is really great. I do not even care if I cannot go out and hang out with my friends. I cannot afford to go home early @ work every Sunday. It sucks when I go to race late. I like to prepare myself 2 hours before the race. This job is a burden to my hobby :mad:

[kakolitoy]

Where are the results @ the last race? When Aaron and I were still racing and did not pay attention on the rain. If he stayed, I would stay with him all the way.

[DualBL]

my name is nick.
i like rc.
thank you.
:p

I live in Woodstock, and would like to race, but not with a brushed motor....

i got a brushless TC3, and will soon have a brushless Hyper7.

what classes could I run in?:rolleyes:
I'm thinking i could run my tc3 in nitro tc class, or maybe nitro truck offroad (when I got the rally conversion on it)
but the hyper7, wouldn't be fair in nitro 1/8 scale (do any tracks have 1/8 buggy?)
any tips?

also, anyone gonna be going to the monster truck thing that chicagorc.com has advertised?
hopefully my buggy will be converted to mt by then:D

thnx
-Nick Sweo

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
since you are keeping the layout the same....are you going to grid according to the results today?

Whether or not I keep the same layout from week to week, I try to grid people for the first round of qualifying according to where they were the week prior, so yes.

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Where are the results @ the last race? When Aaron and I were still racing and did not pay attention on the rain. If he stayed, I would stay with him all the way.

There are no results from that race. That race was aborted with a planned restart, so the results file was never closed. At the time, it looked like the rain would pass by quickly and we would be able to restart that race. It wasn't to be.

[kakolitoy]

Rookie you got PM :confused:

Serpent impact: I lost your number. Your parts came in just a few minutes ago. PLs. let me know. When do u need it or you can just pick it up on Saturday. email or call

thanks

[Nexus]

DualBL...you can still race electric class with your brushless motor. just make it known in the morning so the other guys can run their mod motors.

it seems like there are a variety of motors run in the electric class. this weekend i saw some stock, 19T arcornite, and a mod.

before i swithced to nitro i noticed that not everybody ran the same motors in their electrics.

[DualBL]

(do any tracks have 1/8 buggy?)
:confused:

[Nexus]

DualBL... i know that Leisure and Venture Raceways both run 1/8th scale....not sure about Tinley.

[Walt]

Originally posted by DualBL
i got a brushless TC3, and will soon have a brushless Hyper7.

what classes could I run in?:rolleyes:
I'm thinking i could run my tc3 in nitro tc class, or maybe nitro truck offroad (when I got the rally conversion on it)
but the hyper7, wouldn't be fair in nitro 1/8 scale (do any tracks have 1/8 buggy?)
any tips?

also, anyone gonna be going to the monster truck thing that chicagorc.com has advertised?
hopefully my buggy will be converted to mt by then:D

thnx
-Nick Sweo

At Tinley, you can run your electric TC on Sundays, on road of course, in the electric class. As long as you can make 5 minutes, you're fine. Since we don't get many electric guys, we really are not in a position to split the field up into stock, modified, brushless, etc. I know at least one other guy is running brushless at our track. Come on down on race day and you'll race.

If you wanted to run with the nitro guys, I'm pretty sure the rest of the nitro guys wouldn't care, but then you'd have to figure out a way to get your electric car to run at least 10 minutes in the main, or possibly 15 minutes (we sometimes run a 15 minute A-main in nitro touring).

I'm not sure why you'd want to put a rally conversion on your TC, unless you want to run off road, but I don't think any tracks around here get enough guys running rally cars to form a class, so I'd just leave the TC as a TC and run on road on Sundays (or Saturdays at Hobby Town).

Now then, you say your Hyper 7 is running a brushless motor and you don't know where to run it. Well, once we get our off road track up and running, you can race it on Saturdays with the nitro 1/8th scale buggies, however, I still think you are going to have run time issues, as they will likely run long mains in nito off road. Until electric 1/8th scale buggies catch on, if you want to race I recommend putting a .21 nitro engine back in.

We don't get any 'trucks' running on-road at our track, and honestly, we really don't want any. We want to keep our on road racing strictly on road vehicles. The off road guys can run on the off road track. However, the 'rule' is, as long as we get at least 3 guys of the same vehicle type, we'll run a class for them. However, if the 1/8th scale buggies turn out to be too much for our outer perimeter boards to safely stop, we won't allow them (so far, only the 1/5th scale cars proved to be too much for our boards, so they are now banned for safety reasons).

I hope I answered your questions, at least as they pertain to Chicagoland R/C Raceway (aka: Tinley), www.chicagolandrc.com

-Walt

[DualBL]

well, my tc3 I like to run offroad, and was thinking about running it on an offroad track...

for my car and buggy they'll easily run 10 min. so I figured 1 pit stop would be all that's needed to finish a race.

another question, is how much time is there between each heat?
cause I'll need to charge 4 battery packs after each race.

and I'm not gonna put a .21 back in, cause I've never run nitro, and don't wanna start:rolleyes:

[Rookie Solara]

Is there a 1/8th scale electric buggy right now...? I have never seen one before......and I though most off road race are at least 15-30 minutes per heats or the main.......can batteries last 30 minutes...? 12V gel cell powered buggy...?

I want to know.....usually, fast motor never have the run time and motors have the run time never fast....

And can any electric motor in the market right now can meet the 38,000 rpm 2.5-3.0 HP specification like those .21 class engine..?

I am so far off the electrical market now and I want to know how good is the electrical motor in the market right now, from what I see on the elect. on-road class version nitro on-road, they are not even close to the spec compare to the cheapest nitro engine you can find right now.....but that is interesting to know.

[DualBL]

well...
I'm running brushless.
in my buggy, 2 brushless Lehner Basic 5300's
as you know, the 1st emaxx is comparable tothe 1st tmaxx (more torque, but less speed)

well, a single Basic 4200 motor is faster than 2 titan motors in the emaxx.
basicly, what I'm getting at, is that my buggy has more than twice the power of a stock emaxx.

and the batt's will last 10 min, so if it's a 30 min main, that means 2 pit stops.
which isn't a problem, cause the nitro's need pit stops too:p
my only problem will be charging the batteries between heats. (anyone got a charger they can lend me?:p :rolleyes: )

Graphic Artist (from maxxtraxx boards) converted a MBX R2 to electric with 2 titan motors, and an EVX speed control (same stuff in a stock emaxx) and it beats the .21 1/8 buggies he competes against.
mine has TWICE the power than that, so I think it'll be fairly close cause my pit stops will take longer.

we'll see...
I'm gonna get some Dominator rims for it, and run it at the Chicago Monster Truck thing that ChicagoRC.com has been advertising...

i havn't run it yet, but the outdrive cups just came in at my LHS today, so hopefully it'll be running by tommorow.

all in time...

[DualBL]

sorry, no there's no current 1/8 electric buggy.
the only way to get one is to convert a nitro 1/8.

I'll try to find pics of the 2 converted buggie's I've seen...
one's Graphic Artist's with 2xTitan motors
the other is RC Warrior's Hyper7 with a 1940 motor
:)

[DualBL]

well here's pictures of RC Warrior's buggy:

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92036&perpage=25&pagenumber=103

that was when he was running a hacker motor. but he's upgraded since then...
can't find my post with Graphic Artist's buggy:(

[pev942]

i hope everyone is coming out this week for the micro rs4 racing after last weeks cancel i will be video taping the mains and posting them

i too prefer electric racing to nitro much much cleaner and simpler

i cant wait till brushless motors become more abundant and cheaper

see everybody wednesday, jj

[DualBL]

abundant is one thing...
but cheaper?

for a Lehner Warrior 7018 controller (like an ESC) and a Lehner Basic 5300 motor, you'll be spending about $250

now, you buy a new ESC (like a GT7) and that's $140
then add 2 KR mod motors, and that's $150

wow, look at that.
and you'd still need to buy comm cutter, and brushes, and springs, and comm drops. ect.

but with that brushless setup, you'll never have to buy another thing for it. EVER;)

[Rookie Solara]

DualBL.......thanks for explaining......I bet I am way off about electric motors, and can't wait to see yours in action.

[Nexus]

i was only running electrics for a while and recently switched to Nitro's...

electrics cheaper....no way. the only thing is that they are cleaner. to be competitive in electrics not only do you have to have the right car....but you need great batteries, ESC, motor w/ good #'s, and a good charger.


in the 2-3 weekends i raced my Nitro TC3 i've actually liked it more then my electric.

[mab_man20]

Nexus: SELLOUT!!!!!!! lol J/K

Im a die hard electric guy, but im going nitro cuz i want the competition.

Id also like to check out your set up. Ive got a MRC thunderking that is begging for a dual BL setup.

[Nexus]

mab...i thought i was die hard electric until i drove my Nitro TC3 :D

where are you racing this weekend mab?


question - why can't HTOP make the track extend out further? seems like there is a ton of space that's not being used...is it because of where the 'drivers stand' is? i think if you could have some other type of stand in the center and use more of the lot the racing would be even better for nitro's and mod electrics.

[wrxdan]

Who's running HTOP this weekend? Do you think it's going to rain? I am trying to make it, but might be late. If I show up at 11 is that too late to get in? My frickin NTC3 has dust on it, and my wife almost packed it!!


Anyone want to buy a MIP tweak setup tool? I'm going thru some old stuff as I pack.


Dan

[Rookie Solara]

I for once have a full RC racing weekend.......wife have a full weekend seminars to go, so I will be home alone this weekend...

HTOP thsi SAT and Tinley Sunday, but this weekend doesn't look good at all...........shower or rain or whatever, just like last SUNDAY.

I might need some rain to cool down my 340 degree engine.....still don't know why it does that.

[xxx mike]

340? somthing is wrong for sure. Have you taken it apart to see what kind of damages you've gotten? I don't have any novamegas, but my RB and MT-12's all run cool.. normally 260 or less. You have always seemed to have overheating engines too, even last year with your CV-R.

Do you use RTV sealant between your carb/block and backplate/block? That is one thing I have added to every engine, and I cannot complain at all about the ones I have. I hope you get it sorted out for Sunday. - Maybe tear that whole thing down for inspection this week, then put back together using the RTV sealant.. try it again and see if that fixes it.

Rain SUCKS on race-day.

[Rookie Solara]

Well, there are no GAS LEAK this time, no oil coming out......but AIR leak, not sure........and this time, I did use CARB SEAL to seal the high-end needle area, underside of the carb and even the back plate........

Will see what happen this SAT or SUN or....at least try not to rain first....

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Well, there are no GAS LEAK this time, no oil coming out......but AIR leak, not sure........and this time, I did use CARB SEAL to seal the high-end needle area, underside of the carb and even the back plate........

Will see what happen this SAT or SUN or....at least try not to rain first....

Did you ever get that o-ring I sent ya?

Can you spray motor spray or WD-40 around your gaskets to see if they are leaking air. The RPMs will jump if you spray around a leaky gasket? This works on full size cars to find vaccume leaks.

Dan

[mab_man20]

Nexus: We would love to lengthen the track, but like you said, visibility gets really bad. We have thought about building a drivers stand, but we have no where to store it if we did (or the money to get a trailer to put it on).

I will be at the track this saturday at 8 to get the track set up. You can call my cell at (708) 466-6521 to get exact on site weather. Im praying the weather will hold!

I MIGHT get down to tinley on sunday and possibly slap my 9T motor in and race with the brushless guys. :cool:

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
Did you ever get that o-ring I sent ya?

Can you spray motor spray or WD-40 around your gaskets to see if they are leaking air. The RPMs will jump if you spray around a leaky gasket? This works on full size cars to find vaccume leaks.

Dan

Yes, I did, and that was not the problem, the engine overhead case still there.....I was thinking about the FUEL, so I am planning to get the O'donnell back instead of the Trinity, hopefully that can help.

I heard this SAT is SUNNY like last week.....high 70s, don't know about SUNDAY.....still too far away.

[Nexus]

i'll be at Tinley on Sunday...the weather looks great for both days(as of todays forcast).


sorry mab..can't make HTOP.


NITRO question - how much difference will you see using different header/pipes?

[mab_man20]

10 AM Partly Cloudy 69° N/A° 57° 20% 67% From the North Northeast at 10 mph


11 AM Partly Cloudy 70° N/A° 57° 20% 63% From the North Northeast at 11 mph


12 PM Partly Cloudy 72° N/A° 57° 20% 60% From the North Northeast at 11 mph


1 PM Partly Cloudy 73° N/A° 57° 20% 58% From the Northeast at 11 mph


2 PM Partly Cloudy 73° N/A° 57° 20% 57% From the Northeast at 12 mph


3 PM Mostly Cloudy 74° N/A° 57° 20% 57% From the Northeast at 12 mph

Ill have to check back in a few hours to get after 3 PM.

[DualBL]

I need to get a ride from Woodstock, to Libertyville =\

I was hopeing on going to this:
http://www.chicagorc.com/monsterjam/index.htm

but turns out, on the 21, my mom and dad are going to a "going away party" for a friend, and are planning on being hungover/drunk on the 22:rolleyes:

this bites.

if anyone can help me out, lmk ASAP
thanks
-Nick Sweo

[HauntedMyst]

I picked up one of these Radio Shack Infared Thermometers (http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F013%5F003%5F000&product%5Fid=22%2D325) and I'm reading the instructions and it says "Protect the thermometer from “thermal shock”, caused by large or abrupt ambient temperature changes. Allow 30 minutes for the thermometer to stabilize before use when exposed to large temperature swings." Now, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't taking one of these out of your pocket and jamming it near the head of a boiling engine an extreme temperature change? lol We'll see if it melts this weekend. Maybe they just don't want people getting out of a freezing meat locker and into the sauna right away.

[pev942]

hey guys i have some videos of the micro racing we do every wednesday night check it out

video link (http://www.one18th.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2293)

this is definatly the most fun i have had rc racing in years and is the easiest on the wallet

hey walt maybe you or your bro could post the link on your website? also are micro results no longer going to be posted on the site

[Nexus]

HauntedMyst...if you look a few pages back i did a short review of that little gun.

summary...i bought one, it works great, did comparison with a Raytek and it was only 2-3 degrees off.

well worth the 29.99

[j. sorwell]

nexus- header/pipe combo can make a huge difference.

[HauntedMyst]

sorwell is right, a different pipe/header can make a difference. pipes are generally geared toward torque or top end. The perfect pipe for HTOP and Tinley would be different pipes but not many people will swap out a pipe as a tuning aid. You can tune your pipe for better performance by adjusting the length of the coupler and/or header and seeing what the results are. The rear exhaust header on the NTC3 is pretty free breathing, but the side exhaust can be opend up a bit to be freer breathing and ground smooth for less turbulence.

[Walt]

Originally posted by pev942
hey guys i have some videos of the micro racing we do every wednesday night check it out

video link (http://www.one18th.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2293)

this is definatly the most fun i have had rc racing in years and is the easiest on the wallet

hey walt maybe you or your bro could post the link on your website? also are micro results no longer going to be posted on the site

I'll try to get links to the short video clips put on our site.

As for results, since I'm not there running the race, it's just a matter of me figuring out where the results are on the computer in order to get them on the site. Tony is going to start running the Wednesday races with his own computer (so I can have access to my laptop during the week to test software changes), so he'll just have to e-mail the results to me and I can post them.

When I bring the laptop home this Sunday night I'll check to see if I can find any micro results and post them along with the Sunday results.

And those micro videos make me miss Wednesday night racing... maybe I can talk my wife into letting me out of the house one of these Wednesdays so I can see how much you guys have improved...

[pev942]

that would be great walt cause i think me ryan and mike could give you a run for you money

after i won they said well if walt was here it would be a different story no respect

[DualBL]

still looking for a ride:confused:

[Nexus]

NTC3 racers...


according to AE these are the recommended gear rations to maintain the correct gear mesh:

20/24 with 52/48
21/25 with 52/48
22/26 with 52/48
23/27 with 52/48

which one of those is the stock gearing?

and you can go 1st gear lower and 2nd gear higher?

i'm talking pinion change only....examply...what if i want to lower 1st gear for a bit more punch but go up in 2nd gear for a bit more top end....

i don't want to increase both 1st and 2nd gear...just wondering if what i'm asking is possible.

thanks.

good racing today.

[Dropkicked]

Nexus,

For what you are describing you will have to change both pinion and spur gears. Notice that with all of those combinations the first and second gear tooth counts are the same. I.E.: 1st gear pinion and spur add up to 75 teeth, second gear pinion and spur also add up to 75 teeth. So no matter what you do you want them to be the same even if you go with the setup you described.

Example:

23/27 with 52/48 Both add up to 75

20/27 with 55/48 Both add up to 75

20/25 with 52/47 Both add up to 72

Anything more than a 4 tooth difference is getting extreme, and if you get up into the 7 tooth range you're gonna have performance problems. Second gear is going to kick in at a much lower speed than it really should, and will take forever to wind out. At least this has been my experience.

Please keep in mind I'm not familiar with the AE gears. All of these numbers are just examples off the top of my head.

Drop

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Nexus
NTC3 racers...


according to AE these are the recommended gear rations to maintain the correct gear mesh:

20/24 with 52/48
21/25 with 52/48
22/26 with 52/48
23/27 with 52/48

which one of those is the stock gearing?

and you can go 1st gear lower and 2nd gear higher?

i'm talking pinion change only....examply...what if i want to lower 1st gear for a bit more punch but go up in 2nd gear for a bit more top end....

i don't want to increase both 1st and 2nd gear...just wondering if what i'm asking is possible.

thanks.

good racing today.

Like I told you yesterday...stock is 22/26 with 54/50 and you want to use 21/27 with 54/48 at Tinley, and I will use 21/26 with 54/48 at Venture/HTOP for even lower punch....since there are no straight at those track.

To make it simple, you need to replace the 50T to 48T, then get a new lightweight clutch bell (or re-use your stock one)along with the new 21/27T gears....you can use the stock 54T for 1st gear.....Golden Horizon's gear are a little but cheaper then AE, but I am talking about less then 5% cheaper...

Don't even bother to figure out something else.....NTC3 is way simple then Serpent.......and you cannot use the same concept from Serpent onto NTC3...........

BTW, Serpent 2-speed does not required the same gear diff ratio, so they can have 2-3 times more combination then NTC3.....and NTC3 cannot have the same feathure like that.....trust me, 21/27 will give you the PAR to catch those fast guy.......at TINLEY only.

[Rookie Solara]

Correction....it should be this...

".....Like I told you yesterday...stock is 22/26 with 54/50 and you want to use 21/27 with 54/48 at Tinley, and I will use 20/26 with 54/48 at Venture/HTOP for even lower punch....since there are no straight at those track........."

AE only made 4 gears for the spur and 8 gears for pinion for NTC3.

[kakolitoy]

Rookie you got P.M. about your orders :)

Anyone who's interested!!!

I am ordering tires today or tommorrow from my European source overseas. I will be ordering @ least 20 pairs of TC 1/10 200 mm tires. You pick a set of shores you like all to way to 30 to 45 shore front 26mm and 30 mm rear.


If I put my order today, it usually gets here 2 to 3 days. It might be here @ by Thursday or Friday.

Brands: Ellegi, Ennetti, Ufra, Fast, Power, Jaco, CfC, GTS.


The endurance race is on Saturday, I like to true my tires before the race or let the track true my tires before the race.


PLs. PM me soon. I cannot let the others wait!!!!

Thanks

[COLOR=red]IMPORTANT NOTE:The More Tires I Order the Cheaper I can Sell it [/B]

[T-Racer]

hw mch a set???????

[Dropkicked]

Wow, 6 tooth difference? is that because of the fine pitch or what? I've never been able to run that wide of a gap while keeping good performance.

T-Racer,

I have your setup tools if you still want them. Just been busier than hell with work, and have'nt been able to make it out to the track.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by T-Racer
hw mch a set???????


So far its

$14

[Nexus]

thanks for the gearing info.


Who's running the endurance race at Venture this Saturday?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
Wow, 6 tooth difference? is that because of the fine pitch or what? I've never been able to run that wide of a gap while keeping good performance.


Yeah, NTC is 64 pitch, not 32 like HPI and Serpent...etc, so 6 tooths are not big of a deal, and all the team AE drivers and using the same gearing.......and only between 21/27 or 20/26....they never touch the 54/48 pinion gears.

If you guys want to catch Jim's white 300m (one of the fastest car on the straight)........try those gears.

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Yeah, NTC is 64 pitch, not 32 like HPI and Serpent...etc, so 6 tooths are not big of a deal, and all the team AE drivers and using the same gearing.......and only between 21/27 or 20/26....they never touch the 54/48 pinion gears.

If you guys want to catch Jim's white 300m (one of the fastest car on the straight)........try those gears.

64?? I thought it was 48? 64 is like a pan car spur??

[T-Racer]

to dropkick


What setup tools do you have for me??

like you bowling pins. do you have a hard time finding pins. i saw at tinley park bowl tons of them they where getting read of them

[Nexus]

walt...any pics/results for this past sunday?

[Dropkicked]

I didn't even realize I still had that site as my homepage here. Whoops. Haven't painted a bowling pin, toilet seat, mailbox, etc in quite a while.

Anyway...

Last time I was at the track (3 weeks ago). You told me you wanted another set of the Integy setup tools for your nephew, or someone.

Just let me know, I'm gonna be at the track sunday racing or not I think. (new toy maybe)


Tom

[j. sorwell]

rookie- all nitro cars use 32 pitch. 48 is elec. offroad, 64 is elec. onroad(mainly carpet). the power of a nitro motor, no matter how pity, would destroy 64 or 48 pitch before the car even moved.

performance would only change with the track. you just haven't run at a track where you could take advantage of the difference. ie. combo of tight and open. the only change other than speed in each gear would possibly be a harder shift, depending on motor.

anyone tried the dual chamber pipe on the ntc3?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
walt...any pics/results for this past sunday?

Results from Sunday went up last night (after an hour on the phone with tech support trying to figure out why my router stopped working).

I also managed to find the Micro RS4 results from last Wednesday and put them up there. If Tony can show me where he stored any other race results, I can put them up as well.

[Walt]

We've decided to give something new a try. This Saturday evening we'll be setting up the Sunday track. Saturday will be a 'test and tune' day before the race on Sunday. We have not decided yet if we'll bother setting up scoring systems on Saturday or just have it be open track, frequency controlled practice, but if enough guys show up we'll pull out the scoring system and put it into 'practice' mode so it can keep track of lap times.

Guys that come on out and help set up the track can run for free. If you don't want to (or can't) help set up, it will be a $5/person charge for practicing. If we decide to make it into a Saturday night race, the charge may go up to our normal $10/person. Frank Stubitsch will be the one 'running' the practice night. If you're interested in meeting him out there to help set up, you can e-mail him at: AKAGENVOODOO@aol.com to figure out what time he will be getting there. (I'll announce here too once we figure out what time he'll be getting there to set up... once the off road racing gets going on Saturdays, it will have to be after they are done racing that practice opens up on both tracks).

If this works out, we'll keep on setting up the track the night before (Saturday night). However, there will be some days during the summer where we won't be able to do this because of a bowling event going on Saturday night where they need their entire parking lot (big partys or fundraisers or a traveling league). We'll announce when we won't be able to set up the night before.

The bowling alley is open until 2 or 3am, so theoretically at least, you could run until that late if you wanted to, but you might have trouble making it out of bed for the Sunday race.

So plan on coming out on Saturday night for a little 'test and tune' on the Sunday track at Tinley.

[Walt]

I'm trying to decide in the next day or two if I'm going to the HPI Challange in Michigan July 19th and 20th or not. Basically, if I'm the only one going from around here, then I probably won't go.

So, is anyone definitely going (Mike, Howard, others)? I'd be interested in car pooling and possibly sharing a hotel room with between one and 3 other guys. My wife is not coming along, so I can do a room share deal. I just got permission to go from the wife... don't know how many trips to Ravinia this will cost me, but I bet it will be a lot.

Anyway, we've still got 4 weekends before that race, so I'll probably start running rubber tires on my Super to get my car ready.

Let me know if any of you are planning on going so I can make up my mind and send in the entry fee and make hotel arrangements.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by j. sorwell
rookie- all nitro cars use 32 pitch. 48 is elec. offroad, 64 is elec. onroad(mainly carpet). the power of a nitro motor, no matter how pity, would destroy 64 or 48 pitch before the car even moved.

performance would only change with the track. you just haven't run at a track where you could take advantage of the difference. ie. combo of tight and open. the only change other than speed in each gear would possibly be a harder shift, depending on motor.

anyone tried the dual chamber pipe on the ntc3?

Yes, you are right.....64 pitch are for 1/12 scale.....but I am sure the NTC3 gears are not 32 pitch, cause the gears on my SERPENT cannot mash with the NTC3 gears, the gears itself are bigger on Serpent and others on-road TC.............so it might be 48 pitch.

And thats why I would recommand 21/27 with 54/48 gears, cause that provide more low-end and more high end compare with the OEM gears, and I don't see there is any harm for doing that, only harm side for not doing that is you will never catch up to those fast ppl up front......even though you have the skill and engine/car.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I'm trying to decide in the next day or two if I'm going to the HPI Challange in Michigan July 19th and 20th or not. Basically, if I'm the only one going from around here, then I probably won't go.

So, is anyone definitely going (Mike, Howard, others)? I'd be interested in car pooling and possibly sharing a hotel room with between one and 3 other guys. My wife is not coming along, so I can do a room share deal. I just got permission to go from the wife... don't know how many trips to Ravinia this will cost me, but I bet it will be a lot.

Anyway, we've still got 4 weekends before that race, so I'll probably start running rubber tires on my Super to get my car ready.

Let me know if any of you are planning on going so I can make up my mind and send in the entry fee and make hotel arrangements.

Walt........I have a very high chance to make it, email me for the hotel info, and I don't mind to drive, by my car is a 2 door low-rider and very limited cargo space....

And I need my single speed and engine combo BACK on the car....some how, engine behaved PERFECTLY without the body............WHY IS THAT...?

[Dropkicked]

Traxxas also uses a wacky pitch. But really, who gives a rat's ass about traxxas?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Walt........I have a very high chance to make it, email me for the hotel info, and I don't mind to drive, by my car is a 2 door low-rider and very limited cargo space....

And I need my single speed and engine combo BACK on the car....some how, engine behaved PERFECTLY without the body............WHY IS THAT...?

I guess that's good enough for me, so I'll go ahead and send in my registration money ($20). I can always cancel the hotel room the day before if we don't go, and I'd just be out the $20.

Mike told me Sunday that he'd likely still come along even though he sold his HPI cars (would just maybe run one of our cars in one qualifier so that he can get his body and hat and stuff, and then help us with pit stops, etc.).

I can drive my SUV, or I might be able to borrow a truck from work for us to get down there. No big deal.

I have a reservation for two nights (Friday and Saturday), I think it was $90/night... not too bad split 3 ways.... I don't mind sleeping on the floor one night.

As for your Super not running right with the body on, I'd say either that is coincidence or maybe the body is pinching or kinking one of the fuel lines (I actually had this problem before with the LMR body since you need to cut out for the fuel tank lid and the pressure line is attached to the lid... it was getting pinched by the body).

Can you bring your Super out the next couple of weeks to Tinley on Sunday with HPI Rubber tires so we can get these things working for the Challenge? I'll park my NTC3 and concentrate on getting the Supers working right.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I guess that's good enough for me, so I'll go ahead and send in my registration money ($20). I can always cancel the hotel room the day before if we don't go, and I'd just be out the $20.

Mike told me Sunday that he'd likely still come along even though he sold his HPI cars (would just maybe run one of our cars in one qualifier so that he can get his body and hat and stuff, and then help us with pit stops, etc.).

I can drive my SUV, or I might be able to borrow a truck from work for us to get down there. No big deal.

I have a reservation for two nights (Friday and Saturday), I think it was $90/night... not too bad split 3 ways.... I don't mind sleeping on the floor one night.

As for your Super not running right with the body on, I'd say either that is coincidence or maybe the body is pinching or kinking one of the fuel lines (I actually had this problem before with the LMR body since you need to cut out for the fuel tank lid and the pressure line is attached to the lid... it was getting pinched by the body).

Can you bring your Super out the next couple of weeks to Tinley on Sunday with HPI Rubber tires so we can get these things working for the Challenge? I'll park my NTC3 and concentrate on getting the Supers working right.

Everything sounds good except the last part............race on SUNDAY.....this coming week, NO GO......next week, there is a chance.

Yes. Mike will be perfect.......he can performs his leathal "FUEL GUN" weapon onto our cars..........well, I also think about one thing, most likely I might not be able to be A with you, but WHAT if we both on A.......will HPI challenge allow 1 mechanic for 2 racers...?

I will keep running the car without body now, but if the LMR is the problem (which I checked the fuel/pressure line DOES NOT have any clearance problem).......I will do the WORLD challenge's best body......................Isuzu Turnpilk body.

Also, what is the chance I can FAKE my 40 mhz radio for the challenge (but telling them mine is 72 and just take the clip but using 40mhz............will they have radio impound? Or do they actually check radio...?) Only Walt can tell me.

[liquidforrest]

anyone looking for a race on the 19th of july in MN? going to be fun!

http://www.mytsn.com/companies/glri...=881&imid=27571 entry form

classes
http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachm...=&postid=401023

[xxx mike]

Walt/Rookie... have either of you thought about setting up some kind of headset communication device where you can talk with eachother and to your pit man during the race? I think if we had headsets, pit stops would be quite a bit easier.. to know exactly when to come in and make sure your fuel person is 100 percent ready, and to space two drivers pit stops out (if needed).

For the motorcycle guys they have little headset communicators called "chatterbox". They are a little on the expensive side, but I'm sure there are cheaper versions. I'm sure you both can imagine how useful it would be.. even in warm up laps. Instead of trying to scream to your pit man to lean the top end a little, you could just talk to him over your headset. Just a thought.

[j. sorwell]

rookie- the ntc3 gears are 32 pitch, its the others that are different. i use 48 pitch in elec. offroad, it is quite a bit smaller. the gear spacing is the same as on the gt, which has been 32 pitch for at least the better part of 15 years.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Walt/Rookie... have either of you thought about setting up some kind of headset communication device where you can talk with eachother and to your pit man during the race? I think if we had headsets, pit stops would be quite a bit easier.. to know exactly when to come in and make sure your fuel person is 100 percent ready, and to space two drivers pit stops out (if needed).

For the motorcycle guys they have little headset communicators called "chatterbox". They are a little on the expensive side, but I'm sure there are cheaper versions. I'm sure you both can imagine how useful it would be.. even in warm up laps. Instead of trying to scream to your pit man to lean the top end a little, you could just talk to him over your headset. Just a thought.

I was thinking about that too and do it on the enduro!!

But would this frequency affect our transmitter?

[Walt]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Walt/Rookie... have either of you thought about setting up some kind of headset communication device where you can talk with eachother and to your pit man during the race

I have thought of that, but never looked into it. If there is a reasonably inexpensive system that we can buy, I'd be interested... I'd probably use it every Sunday with whomever was going to pit for me.

Oh, and Mike, I've got an offer for you. How about I get my brother's Super to you this Sunday. You prepare the car (clean it, put a small (legal) tank back in, maybe put in your own engine) and you can run it at the Challenge. As long as the car is returned to my brother the way it left, he won't care. Let me know if you are interested... of course, that means that Rookie and I just lost our pit man... we'll have to make friends at the track.

Rookie: I wouldn't bring the 40 mHz radio to the airport (the track will be on the tarmac of an airport). They actually have the equipment there to check radios, and there are big FCC fines for illegal radios. I think that's why they warned everyone about it. I wouldn't risk it if I were you. If you need to borrow a 75 mHz radio for the weekend, let me know and I can set you up. Since I just bought a new radio, I've got at least 2 FM radios that are not being used.

Also, I figured I'd bring my micro along and run it in the micro pro class. I'll just need to make up a 5-cell pack (maximum allowed) and purchase an HPI motor (or use the stock one). At least that would give me one other class to run in just for the heck of it.

And to answer your question, HPI won't care if one mechanic fuels as many cars as they want, we'd just have to coordinate our fuel stop which is no big deal, and we'd have to find someone else to hold one of our cars up until the start of the race, but if Mike races too (and we will all be in the A-main), now we need to find three guys to help out. Shouldn't be a problem... I hope Mike races.

[xxx mike]

I could take your brothers car and do part of one qual, just to get the body and hat. I am not too interested in racing with the HPIs anymore... I will just get frustrated and upset that I can't keep up with you and rookie and most of the rest of the field. I am too spoiled by foam tires I think. If it dosn't just magically stick without any work, it's too much setup effort for me. We can practice fuel stops a bunch of times this sunday (if you have the time) and see if we can get it locked down to more of a solid method.

Maybe, if you each want to buy a chatter box I would probably buy one too. Nobody I know with a bike has one, but I imagine I could get my brother to buy one also (he rides too). It would be double useful for both of us.

[Walt]

I'll plan on bringing my brother's car along as a spare car and so that you can run at least one qualifier, like you said, to get your 'free' stuff, but remember, all you'll have to do is copy whatever Rookie and I do to get set up.. you might want to run more than just one qualifier, especially if the car is working well.

You don't have to decide that now... the car will be there. If you want to run it, you can.

Do you have any price information on the headset 2-way radios? Maybe I could just bring with my baby monitor.:D

And, to answer Kak, there should not be any interference... that's why the FCC is in charge of frequencies... so different things can be going on at the same time and not interfere with each other. Only land based RC models can use the frequencies we use.

[kakolitoy]

And, to answer Kak, there should not be any interference... that's why the FCC is in charge of frequencies... so different things can be going on at the same time and not interfere with each other. Only land based RC models can use the frequencies we use.

Ok let me know on Monday, if you guys will do this on Sunday.

Just give me updates and feedback on how you guys communicate, hassle on arms becuase of wires etc.

thanks in advance.

[xxx mike]

http://www.hjc-chatterbox.com/hjc90.asp Retail looks like 150 each. I could talk with Speed Limit cycle and see if they will give a good price on 4 of them if you are both interested and my brother also. Usually that shop will bargain with you some to get your buisness.. it's a good place to buy from and pricing is always competetive with the lowest internet stores.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by j. sorwell
rookie- the ntc3 gears are 32 pitch, its the others that are different. i use 48 pitch in elec. offroad, it is quite a bit smaller. the gear spacing is the same as on the gt, which has been 32 pitch for at least the better part of 15 years.

OK...thanks for the info, may be I am smoking something.....but good to know.

Time to freeze up my NTC3 and get the SNRS4 ready for the challenge........

They are using the latest AMB system, and WALT, please tell me we ARE using the same thing............thanks

[Walt]

Yep... same thing. AMB 'digital' system, also known as the AMBrc system, also known and the 'latest' AMB system. Your personal transponder will work. Include your 7-digit number on your entry form for the HPI Challenge.

I just sent mine in.... I also entered the micro pro class, just for the heck of it.

[kakolitoy]

Hope you guys

123 in the main and take all trophies and bring it back home.

Are guys going to practice your Super nitro this Sunday. We would like to join you guys and race with you for part of your practice if it is ok. :)

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Are guys going to practice your Super nitro this Sunday. We would like to join you guys and race with you for part of your practice if it is ok. :)

Howard already said he can't make it this Sunday, but I think I'll use the next 4 Sundays to practice with my Super Nitro.

However, I'll have rubber tires on it, so I'll be no match for you guys and won't be able to give you a good race.

[Rookie Solara]

OK.....still negociating with the chief executive officer in the household (beside me) - wife about the HPI challenge, but chance is still HIGH, and that is a good thing.

Next........thanks for letting me know about the radio issue, and that is NOT a problem to me now, cause I forgot WALT is unofficial Hi-tech radio distributor........so getting another radio is not a problem, on top of that, Albert got a extra KO EX-1 radio for me to use, that is even better........(I was thinking about using the 14 years old KP EX-5 27 AM radio that I used on MICRO....good thing I have back up plan now.)

Next....another pit man, ALBERT...........I talked to him a while back, and he said he might be able to just JOIN and pit for me or Walt....if we have MIKE to pit WALT, Albert to pit ME, we are almost like the Team Penski Indy car Racing team already....perfect.

Will 4 ppl riding in your SUV too much...? Will 4 ppl staying in one hotel room too much to handle...? Honestly, one more ppl to splite the bill is better, and I have no problem sleeping in my sleeping bag for both nights..........sleeping is not what I am looking for that weekend.

Last.....communcation, I prefer the SEHE system "screaming like ESPO/HONDA on the driver stand system".....work with me (even though I never try that) but I am worrying about getting other ppl screaming back to me....(LOL)....but I do have a cheap 2-way radio that I used for travelling, definitely NOT the right way to do it cause both of your hand should be on the RADIO, and it is impossible to try to TALK and drive at the same time, but my idea is............we (as the driver) should be the LISTENING most of the time, when MIKE/ALBERT telling us to pit, we just listen and pit at the next lap, simple as that...........and we should get ALL THE SET UP done before the qualifier and main, so......driver that NEED TO TALK should be very minimum.....unless it is emergency, if that is emergency, I have no problem to park my car and grab the radio and talk...

But at least, $40 is way cheaper then $150 a piece of equipment that can only help a little on the communcation side.

At least I have 2 pairs now, so WALT and I can use them, and if MIKE and ALBERT want to race, we switch.

[Rookie Solara]

Ok...good to know I can use the transponder, I also wrote a message to DEREK about the location of the transponder.....in HPI rules, all transponder MUST mounted on the windshield...

Now..........tell me how to mount a ear only transponder on the windshield.....? Bubble gum...?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
in HPI rules, all transponder MUST mounted on the windshield...

Now..........tell me how to mount a ear only transponder on the windshield.....? Bubble gum...?

I think you are worried a little too much about the HPI rules... they are pretty relaxed on the rules. Obviously, they won't care where personal transponders are mounted. They want the 'hand out' ones on the windsheild just so that they don't have to look around for them all day long while they are pulling them out of cars in impound while the owner of the car is out marshalling.

About all they look at is: HPI body, HPI tires. If you win, they might look for HPI tire inserts. They didn't even notice Tony's big block engine last year (or didn't care).

On a related note, is anyone here really good at glueing rubber tires onto rims? I know Tony can do it. Seems like whenever I do it the darn things come off. I'll need some tires glued on really good for the Challenge race... don't want a tire to come off and cost me the race. I hate glueing tires. I just must not know the 'trick' to doing it right.

[kakolitoy]

got pm pls. reply soon when you get a chance. RE: Tires

thanks

[Walt]

Originally posted by xxx mike
http://www.hjc-chatterbox.com/hjc90.asp Retail looks like 150 each. I could talk with Speed Limit cycle and see if they will give a good price on 4 of them if you are both interested and my brother also. Usually that shop will bargain with you some to get your buisness.. it's a good place to buy from and pricing is always competetive with the lowest internet stores.

I was thinking more like the Motorola Talkabout T5420 for about $25 each plus a VOX headset for another $15. I'm sure the $150 one is much nicer, but I don't think I can justify spending over $50 for this feature.

[Rookie Solara]

OK...I've got the picture of it...............

Yeah, not me, taking me like 4-6 hours to glue my first set of super rubber, and they sure will not come out, cause they CA them over and over the edge so many times the sidewall is kinda HARD.........so, definitely not my cup of coffee.

Also, according from Derek, the track is going to be HUGH, and they said 2-speed is a must....(or sounds like if you want to win)....so what do you think Walt........?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Also, according from Derek, the track is going to be HUGH, and they said 2-speed is a must....(or sounds like if you want to win)....so what do you think Walt........?

I HATE the HPI 2-speed. It's just not reliable. I'll probably bring one along, but I'm planning on showing up with a 15 tooth clutch bell installed and I hope that will be good enough.

HPI might require them to make the track smaller... we'll see. Besides, how big can they make it? 250 foot straight? I just can't imagine it will be much larger than the track we set up in Tinley (185x100).

My question is, which HPI Micro body to get that will work with my chassis (wide enough)?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I HATE the HPI 2-speed. It's just not reliable. I'll probably bring one along, but I'm planning on showing up with a 15 tooth clutch bell installed and I hope that will be good enough.

HPI might require them to make the track smaller... we'll see. Besides, how big can they make it? 250 foot straight? I just can't imagine it will be much larger than the track we set up in Tinley (185x100).

My question is, which HPI Micro body to get that will work with my chassis (wide enough)?

Use Vette body, your brother's got one.....it works, I think it is just a little sticking out at the bottom.

[pev942]

walt i used to race offroad and when glueing tires be sure to clean the sarfaces you want to glue with motor spray or alcohol and be sure to clean the surface of the rubber too with a rag saturated with motor spray this will help get the mold release that is left on the rims and tires when they are made

ruffing up the surface the a steel wool of fine sand paper

i usually use thick thick glue to first mount the tires then hold it with a rubber band then use the thin stuff to fill the crack around the bead where the tire meets the rim

the new hpi lambo body is pretty wide to fit the arm chassis

[Nexus]

walt/rookie/ect...

i rode motorcycles for years and the chatterbox would be total overkill for what you want to do.

there are several other cheaper alternatives to do that type of communicating...

one note - the voice activating can be pretty sensitive on some of those headsets so sometimes it's tricky to get them to work properly...but overall.

i know audiovox used to make a handfree vox type 2 way that was $50 or less.

[mab_man20]

I got my NTC3 and will have everyting up and running on July 13th down at tinley. I will be running electric at HTOP and nitro at Tinley for most of the summer.


What shore tires are you guys running?

Which is a better break in technique: 1) Idle first tank, slowly build up speed over successive tanks, culminating with high speed passes on approxiamately the 10th tank. Or 2) Idle first tank. Let cool. Warm up engine, do a few smooth accelerations for 1 minute, shut off and let cool. Repeat about 15 times.

I have heard both work well. I know most do the first choice, but many top level drivers swear by the phrase "Break in slow = always slow. Break in fast = always fast."

[kakolitoy]

Midwest Series in Racine Wisconsin

July 19/ 20 Saturday and Sunday!!! We only have a month away!!

Those guys that whose interested pls. let me know so we can get a nice camp.

Nexus: We will bring Serpent impact for parts and Pitsops

Serpent Impact: Start Practicing ur impact just go race @ Racine. I have hudy for Impact let me know Saturday if will go I will bring my hudy for 1/10 235 mm.

This would be really fun for the Chicago drivers. Come on and join us. Let's get all the dignity all over midwest. Rookie and Walt will get the HPI crown in Michigan. Let's help them to get more achievements for Chicagoland raceway drivers :cool:


We have 6 racers so far. All of us will help out one another because the heat is @ least 10 min. and the main is 30 to 45 min (not sure).

[Walt]

Today's results from Chicagoland R/C Raceway are on our web site. Fun racing today and really nice weather. My thanks to everyone that made it out today to race.

[wrxdan]

http://www.nvbackflow.com/inprogress/EngineCCC3.mpg






:)

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by wrxdan
http://www.nvbackflow.com/inprogress/EngineCCC3.mpg





:)


I mean "peek".

[rustymccoy]

wow i cant believe i missed this chicago thread for so long! im not really into racing, more of a basher myself. was anyone out at venture in libertyville yesterday for the monster jam? also if any one alse is intrested in a group of bashin folks check out the traxxas form in the track and buddy locator section we have a very strong chi-town thread there too! and holy-be-jesus wrxdan what rc could take that beast in the vid?!?!?!

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Today's results from Chicagoland R/C Raceway are on our web site. Fun racing today and really nice weather. My thanks to everyone that made it out today to race.

Wow.........what a MAIN......7 out of 10 cars DIE OUT on the 15 minutes main...? Exactly what's going on to everyone? Engine overheat due to weather or what...?

Congrat to Mark and Nexus (Nexus, not bad for a 4th time nitro running record....)

Can someone give me a MAIN REPORT so I can imagine over and over this week....?

Sounds very interesting yesterday.........

[Nexus]

rookie.

not sure what happened...some people broke, some had engine problems...

it was funny cause walt said over the loud speaker...'lets see if these A Main guys can finish 15 minutes' or something like that.


with longer nitro mains it seems consistency and preparation will usually put you up top....not expensive engines and parts.


i run a pretty simple set-up in my NTC3...O.S Engine, $40 servos, no graphite...nothing fancy :D i just try to stay consistant over the course of the race.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
rookie.

not sure what happened...some people broke, some had engine problems...

it was funny cause walt said over the loud speaker...'lets see if these A Main guys can finish 15 minutes' or something like that.


I also remember commenting towards the end of the race (at a point when there were only 3 or 4 cars on the track) that maybe 15 minute mains are a little too long. Maybe we'll go back to 10 minutes for all nitro mains.

It did seem like a lot of coincidence that people were droping out... not everyone having the same problem.

On a separate note, has anyone tried rubber tires on their touring car at Tinley? I ran rubber tires on my Super Nitro last Sunday (in preparation for the HPI Challenge), and even with my engine not running quite right and a single speed transmission, I was the only one to turn 14 laps in qualifying. I'm wondering if rubber tires might not be a good set up for the touring cars. They worked pretty well on my super. I might have to give it a try.

[Rookie Solara]

One reason TINLEY racing is getting better and better is the 15 minutes main..........honestly, that is NOT LONG enough.

If someone complaining about 15 minutes is too much for his $1000 invested touring car and $300 modified motor........I would love to meet this person and "TRUSH" talk him all day and all night long..........

Other tracks (NY or CA) ran 30 minutes main and 15 minutes qualifier weeks by weeks.....National ran 15 minutes qualifier times 5 plus 45 minutes main.........are they any special? NO......they are the GOAL of everyone at TINLEY trying to accomplish, and if we going back to 10 minutes so everyone can finish the main, why don't we go back to 5 minutes main....? Cause someone will say 10 minutes and 1 time refuel is "TOO HARD and TOO CONFUSING" for them to handle.

If someone is having trouble to do that........they should stick with parking lot bashing, racing is too COMPLICATED for them at the first place........

Ppl cannot finish the 15 minutes with different reason, engine over heat (happened to me 2 times) wrong setup, wrong tires, broken parts.......etc. Ppl have good days, and bad days.........Barry baker took pole 6 times last year, only won 2 times top 3 finish..........no one is perfect, and no one can win A-main all the time, but that is the reason why we race, we learn, and we experience, and we will remember what DO and DON'T.

Learning progress.......it is part of racing. Michael Schumacher lose the first 3 races in a row this year without any top 3 finish for the first time since 95, but now, he is uncatchable.....that is part of the game....even champion has problem.

15 minutes main should be enforece..........and 10 minutes qualifier should be what we are looking for in the future, the only problem about that is........LONGER race day, whihc might not work with a lot of ppl that take more then 45 minutes to get home on sunday.

All in all, we shall all look forward, stepping up to match the national standard step by step (at least try to).......no more kidding around, or bashing with 21 engine BS........those time are over (just my personal opinion.......)

[HauntedMyst]

My problem with longer mains? Narcolepsy. After about 5 minutes of standing, I just pass out cold standing up. You combine that with the bed wetting and it can make for a pretty embarassing time on the drivers stand. :D

Rookie,
The Fix looks like its gonna work great! Thanks for hooking me up.