Chicago Racing (track info inside)

[Walt]

Howard: If you do well at the HPI Challenge in Michigan next month, what are the chances that you can make it out to the World Final race in Vegas in October? I'm planning on attending, along with my wife, plus my brother and his wife. We'll just make a week long vacation out of it by getting there a week before the race.

Just thought you might have to start talking to your wife about it, but this one was easy for me... my wife likes Vegas, so I didn't have to ask her twice about this one... she loves the idea of going there. And since I don't gamble, she can just do her gambling on the days I'm racing.

Remember, this might be your last chance for a vacation in a while.

I wish they would go ahead and announce the rules for the World Finals race.

Mab: if you are interested in putting together a concours winning body for the HPI Challenge race, I can enter it for you, and if you win, I'll give you the prize (new HPI kit).

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst

Rookie,
The Fix looks like its gonna work great! Thanks for hooking me up.

Yes, that is a MUST for the NTC3, but still, that is not 100% bullet proof, if you head on to the wall 50 plus mph.......no "the fix" can help you for that.....I saw a NTC3 with the fix actually broke the whole shock tower except the area that have "the FIX"....it does its job....but just not the rest of the tower.

Only 2 things can stop me on a 15 or longer main.......(1) broke my car by doing stupid passing......(2) need to pee.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Mab: if you are interested in putting together a concours winning body for the HPI Challenge race, I can enter it for you, and if you win, I'll give you the prize (new HPI kit).

Walt........I really HATE you.......you are DEVIL, BAD, EVIL, VERY VERY BAD person...........

That really depend on how good of a race I have on the Michigan race, I think Annie have no problem to go to Vegas with us, she doesn't gamble, but she can SHOP and EAT..........also remember, October is her 6 months period, not sure she can still do that.

HauntedMyst..............hey, I can offer you the same thing....Paint me a KICK ASS body (make sure that is better then Mab_man mike's) and if I win the competition, you can keep the trophy and the price.....(another HPI does not help except the R40)

But it must be Super Nitro size body.......and you can name your body type, up to you.

[Walt]

I'm evil for trying to figure out another way to get you out to an RC race? Go figure...

Anyway, Howard is right, the body would have to be a Super Nitro since that's what we drive. I'll go one step further and say that it needs to be a short wheel-base Super Nitro body, maybe a Porsche?

If you want to see an example of what will win an HPI Concours event, take a look at the winner from Grove City, Ohio in 2001. The door actually opened and closed via a small servo mounted inside the car, and as the door opened, the driver's head turned to look out the door. It was pretty cool...

http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/challenge/2001/us4-oh/Dscn0642m.jpg

http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/challenge/2001/us4-oh/DSC03719k.jpg

http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/challenge/2001/us4-oh/DSC03716k.jpg

http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/challenge/2001/us4-oh/Dscn0649m.jpg

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
...and if I win the competition, you can keep the trophy and the price.....(another HPI does not help except the R40)


You're forgetting that you can trade in that brand new HPI kit for something you do want... I traded in my Super Nitro Rally kit I won last year, plus one new HPI body for my RC10GT Factory Team Kit.

[Rookie Solara]

Ok...I know you are helping, but I am no longer Rookie Solara.....I will be Rookie Daddy or Rookie Soccer Dad....etc

Yeah, that was the body I was looking around on the web......the owner actually made 3 of them (without the driver modification) and sold one ebay for $250 each...........and that paint job is the BEST PAINT job I've ever seen.........

HauntedMyst and Mab_man.........are you up for the challenge? I have no problem to ride on a GT1 300mm body.......I just have to swing the rear arms backward for the race, and use my old body Bimmer body.....no big deal.

Here are some suggestion.......
(1)workable 4 wheel ABS disc brake from Brimbo
(2)real duel-exhaust at rear
(3)workable gas-cap, powerwindows and power lock plus child safety feature
(4)Air bags and side air bags...?
(5)HID head lights, under body neon lights.....

That shouldn't be too hard for you guys to do, right...?

[kakolitoy]

"I was the only one to turn 14 laps in qualifying," by Walt.

Actually, there were 2 of you. My bro had a 14 in his first heat with you in the super.

I was trying to beat his lap time and trying to get as much as 14 laps to get even with him in the second heat. However, now it really convinced me that 8th scales is not really for your track. Not because of the size its the floor (I am not complaining just saying my thoughts). Last Saturday, My bro and I practiced and tested our cars. 8th scales will literally leave TC and impacts behind in a smooth surface. 8th scales were way powerful than our impacts and TC on our practice area. Sunday, 2nd heat I was trying to pull the throttle as much as I can, but ended up hitting the boards because of the bump. 8th scales tires were way too wide, that if you hit the bump and landed in a small curve you loose control of the car. The car is fast enough to jump to a small bump. My suspension was the softest I can go, but I think my rear tires will drag once I hit the bump and land on the floor. I am not used to off road jump :D . I am used to hit the throttle in a turn.

I will stick with my impact next time I race in the super. Its hard to race 8th scales @ Tinley, I will probably wait until the permanent track.

[kakolitoy]

Pls give me your number again via PM.

I lost your number for some reason.


thanks

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
"I was the only one to turn 14 laps in qualifying," by Walt.

Actually, there were 2 of you. My bro had a 14 in his first heat with you in the super

Sorry... I only took a look at TQ in each class. You're right.

[Nexus]

5 minutes heats and 15 minute mains are the way to go with nitro.

15 minutes provides true test of driving skill, strategy, endurance, ect...

[kakolitoy]

Are you planning to go

July 19 /20

Are you going to make it?

[mab_man20]

Walt/Howard: Weird, i was just wondering if anyone wanted a painted body for the challange. Ive got to run now, but we can talk more in depth later. Ill be on vacation until the 9th, but i can put a good week and a half into and come up with something pretty crazy.

[kakolitoy]

If there are enough racers on the Impact and Super would you agree to race 15 min main.


Let say there are @ least 8 racers in this class in the main.

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
If there are enough racers on the Impact and Super would you agree to race 15 min main.


Let say there are @ least 8 racers in this class in the main.

I like the longer mains. If the weather is nice we'll run the longer mains. We probably want to see at least 6 cars starting the main to run 15 mintues, or else there will likely be NO cars on the track by the end of the race, and that's no fun for anyone.

[Nexus]

kakolitoy...don't think i can make that date. after July 10th i don't know what my work schedule will be.



nitro quesiton...what's the main advantage of a Turbo engine? is it only the plug is different? having a more tapered style glow plug?

[Nexus]

Associated came out with a NTC3 2 speed prebuilt...

just drop it in and play :)

"Here is an exciting new product that will immediately give you more speed and performance from your NTC3 Ready-To-Run! The new Nitro TC3 ASSEMBLED 2-Speed. Now shipping to your favorite hobby store!

No hassling with assembly -- just remove your current single speed and drop the assembled 2-speed right in, that's all there is to it! Full
step-by-step how-to instructions included.

If your local hobby shop does not have the

new 2-speed in stock, have them order it so you can start going faster NOW! The #2285 NTC3 2-speed kit (unassembled) will continue to be available.

Part number and retail pricing:
#2284, Nitro TC3 Assembled 2-Speed, suggested retail: $59.99
"

Trinity has a new micro...

"Reflex Bantam Micro
Trinity's Reflex Bantam Micro car is very similar to HPI's Micro RS4, but with some nice improvements. The first thing you will notice is the SUPER smooth front GEAR differential. It's smoother than Barry White on Valentine's day.

The front springs are also easier to access. Pricing will be similar to the HPI Micro RS4, and a RTR version will be available.
Want to change your wheel look on your Bantam, but don't want to have to buy a whole new set of tires? No problem, since the wheel design snaps into place like a hubcap.

The wheels of the Bantam are held in place by three screws. You can adjust the width of the front and rear suspension by using one of four settings.
A six cell battery pack, ESC, receiver, and servo are installed for you in the RTR version. "

[Walt]

I got that news letter also... what the heck were they smoking when they wrote this:

"+++ "What is the advantage or disadvantage of using a larger pinion and
spur to achieve the same final/overall gear ratio? For instance, on the 48
pitch gears:
69/23 = 7.50
72/24 = 7.50
75/25 = 7.50. "
With the smaller spur it will spool up faster, meaning the motor will get
to speed faster, and with the larger spur, it will have more torque."

[kakolitoy]

Mab:

Is there a race on Saturday?


Anyone going to Venture for the IL. State Championship on Saturday?

BTW: ITs strictly roar rules

[mab_man20]

Yes there will be racing this saturday.

[pev942]

Originally posted by Nexus


Trinity has a new micro...

"Reflex Bantam Micro
Trinity's Reflex Bantam Micro car is very similar to HPI's Micro RS4, but with some nice improvements. The first thing you will notice is the SUPER smooth front GEAR differential. It's smoother than Barry White on Valentine's day.

The front springs are also easier to access. Pricing will be similar to the HPI Micro RS4, and a RTR version will be available.
Want to change your wheel look on your Bantam, but don't want to have to buy a whole new set of tires? No problem, since the wheel design snaps into place like a hubcap.

The wheels of the Bantam are held in place by three screws. You can adjust the width of the front and rear suspension by using one of four settings.
A six cell battery pack, ESC, receiver, and servo are installed for you in the RTR version. "


so does that mean that you are gonna come out wednesday nights and race micros with us we have pretty good competion right

i will smoke that bantam

[pev942]

i am suprised that more nitro racers dont come out to race micro it great practices, quicks your reflexes and improves your driving, easier to race and maintain, and is alot cheaper.

for the price of a nitro motor you could have a complete micro car all hopped up ready to race. and our motors only cost 12 dollars

plus our tires last about a month not one or two weeks and they only cost ten bucks mounted

[Nexus]

pev942...as cool as the banton sounds micro racing doesn't interest me that much...i don't like that scale of racing because it's to small.

besides spending all day sat. is plenty racing for me. :D

[Rookie Solara]

JJ.....you can try driving 90 plus minutes from Chicago area at the worst time ever on the highway....all the way to Tinley, that is a RACE already....

We still come once in a while.....but for us NITRO ppl....NITRO first, and SAT racing plus occasionly SAT/SUN back to back racing is what we can handle....

[pev942]

howard i was driving all the way from dekalb during the school year that is 2 hour drive during rush hour and i still did it

i really want to go the hpi challenge and wup some micro butt

nexxus drop by the track some time and check out how fast these little things are or go to www.18th.com in the gallery i posted some videos of our races. you guys are just lucky i cant afford nitro right now, or would give you a good race

[kakolitoy]

HTOP race was cancelled because of the rain. My G.F. had a Dentist appointment that day and I decided to go with her.

Few blocks away from her Dentist's office. There was a track in NILES. Its in Milwauke and Oakton (Hobby Town). I drove my SUV and I have all my stuff in there. It was a great cool weather Saturday afternoon. However, that would the last time I will race there. The whole thing was really Horrible!!!! You can race whatever you have and they are not checking frequency channels. They will turn on their radio whenever they feel like. The worst thing is they charge $15 no transponder no computer it was just a horrible experience.

Pls anyone help them to understand how to race. Also, $15 for free show of crashing cars. Good thing I have Peter's radio and use non US channel!!


Waste of time!!! :(

[g12314]

Yup. I used to race at the track in Niles. It was nice because its 5 minutes from my house.

However. I became so frustrated I had to stop going. The people that run the races are clueless and at times rude. The last straw was when I had my NTC3 drive off 3 times in one day because of someone screwing around in the parking lot (not racing). I dont really care about the car, but the little kids that sit track side could get really hurt when a 40+mph object hits them and I couldnt live with that.

Hopefully I can make it out to HTOP or Tinley one of these weekends to see how a race should be run.

Jimmy

[Rookie Solara]

kakolitoy.....I cannot imagine you will run those IMPACT at Niles with T-MAX or whatever they have....I heard enough story abou that track and good thing I don't need to fiugre that place out by myself.

Walt......Michigan is a GO, I will send my application tomorrow, and I did mention about the HPI WORLD CHALLENGE at Veges as well, sounds like that CAN be our plan as well.

P.S. 2-speed is back on the SNRS4, and it runs fine afterall. 32R rubber works real nice on todays weather, I just have a little understeering.....that can be done with the front diff adjustment.

[kakolitoy]

There were 3 hours wait.

and The Dentist were taking her time with my G.F.

Last time I was there I waited 2 1/2 hours. I decided to run after all because it was killing me. Nice day I would like to race. Even just my losi or whatever I have for non US channel.

Like what I said HORRIBLE!!!!!

[pev942]

SORRY it is www.one18th.com that has the videos of our micro racing wednesday nights in the gallery

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
There were 3 hours wait.

and The Dentist were taking her time with my G.F.

Last time I was there I waited 2 1/2 hours. I decided to run after all because it was killing me. Nice day I would like to race. Even just my losi or whatever I have for non US channel.

Like what I said HORRIBLE!!!!!

Hee hee, so, are you guys decided to head to the MID-WEST Series...? I just got the go-ahead for the Michigan or even the World Challenge, so I hope you guys do good at the Mid-west series too......and let us know whats those big boys using at the MW series...

You said waited 2.5 hours.....of what? Waiting to RACE? or waiting to finish the whole race....? No matter what it is....it sounds HORRIBLE already.

One more thing......Dropkicked just picked up a used IMPACT (I think is used).........if ALBERT can let me use his spare IMPACT and MS 15 for free........I will definitely head back to the Serpent wagon......but only IMPACT, not much interested on 705....we will suddently have a raising IMPACT class at Tinley....(also, Frank, who has a ntc3, also got a IMPACT 2 weeks ago and planning to start running that.....)

Serpent_Impact...........when are you going to get the HUDY tire truer....? I can chip in $50.....just for you.

[Walt]

Results from today's race at Tinley are on the web site (www.chicagolandrc.com, in case anyone still doesn't know). Oh, and just for J.J., I managed to figure out where Tony hid the results from last Wednesday's micro race, so they are up there too.

What a great day it was today. The weather was perfect! Couldn't ask for better. We set up a pretty wide track today just to do something a little different (25 foot wide lanes), and it was a nice change. We'll go back to the normal width track (more technical, 15 foot wide lanes) next week.

We had about 30 entries in Nitro touring, which makes for some pretty fun racing, and we did run 15 minute A-mains for both nitro touring and Super Nitro/Impact.

It was just a really nice day of racing. Reminds me of why I do all this work... I had a great time today. It helps that my car was actually running really well today... why couldn't Espo and Ira be there today... would have liked to see how I could do against them when my car is working right.

Next weekend is the 4th of July weekend, but we're still going to be racing on Sunday. In fact, we are planning on setting up the track on Saturday night for some practice if anyone is interested.

Let's just hope we can get more weather like we had today.

[pev942]

thanks walt congrats on another win

[HauntedMyst]

Woot! It looks like I'll finally be able to head to Tinley park this Sunday since the wife is going to visit her friend all day. I'll finally get to open up my NTC3! Every time I hit the throttle at HTOP, I'm at another turn so this will be a nice change of pace.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt....do you think you can track down my AMB transonder # from you laptop...? I want to send in the application for the challenge right now, and I don't want to wait untill tomorrow...

Please email me....Howard

[Serpent Impact]

kakolitoy:

Can Turbo engine and pipe run in Midwest race?

[racerdave]

Where is HTOP and where in Tinly Park? is the track? rd in Joliet

[pev942]

hobby town orland park and that track sucks

[Serpent Impact]

http://www.chicagorc.com

You will find all the info to Chicago track and shop info.
Hope this help.

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by pev942
hobby town orland park and that track sucks

HTOP is Hobby Town Oak Park on this board. I don't think I've ever seen anyone post from HT Orland Park.

[Walt]

Originally posted by racerdave
Where is HTOP and where in Tinly Park? is the track? rd in Joliet

Tinley Park refers to the Chicagoland R/C Raceway. It's on 183rd street between Harlem Ave and 80th Ave, near the Tweeter Center (formerly the World Music Center).

Here's a link to a map on our web site:

http://www.chicagolandrc.com/directions.htm

[kakolitoy]

We just moved in to a new home. I have been trying to reach you, but my caller ID has only 15 memories. I lost your number again. I do have Inet accesss for about 5 days now. We might not have a connection in few more weeks.

You have Pm pls. call. I left a number where you can reach me. If i am not home pls. leave a message I am propbably in the garage fixing stuff.

thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Serpent Impact
kakolitoy:

Can Turbo engine and pipe run in Midwest race?

I know they do pls. check www.mytsn.com go to clubs find midwest series. Rules should be posted in there.

If not, just bring extra Novamega .12 non turbo button ($15) and I am willing do it for you @ the track.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Hee hee, so, are you guys decided to head to the MID-WEST Series...? I just got the go-ahead for the Michigan or even the World Challenge, so I hope you guys do good at the Mid-west series too......and let us know whats those big boys using at the MW series...

You said waited 2.5 hours.....of what? Waiting to RACE? or waiting to finish the whole race....? No matter what it is....it sounds HORRIBLE already.

One more thing......Dropkicked just picked up a used IMPACT (I think is used).........if ALBERT can let me use his spare IMPACT and MS 15 for free........I will definitely head back to the Serpent wagon......but only IMPACT, not much interested on 705....we will suddently have a raising IMPACT class at Tinley....(also, Frank, who has a ntc3, also got a IMPACT 2 weeks ago and planning to start running that.....)

Serpent_Impact...........when are you going to get the HUDY tire truer....? I can chip in $50.....just for you.

Sorry for the late reply,

No Inet connection for @ least few more weeks. I am using my parent's 56 k. I rather have no connection than 56 k (it really sucks). I am getting pissed off of very very slow page movement. Drop emeiled me a few times about his great deal impact. He sent some pics too (Drop, I hope the car is in great set up now. You have not race for a while. I think its about time to go back racing this weekend).

The wait was for my G.F. It usually cold in the Dentist's office for bacterial purposes so I wait outside. i can hear the cars @ her Dentist's office. I just cannot sit down and hear the Nitro cars running in a great Saturday afternoon. If you go back to impact/835 that would decrease your frustration to you supe nitro. Also, .15 is easier to tune than .12. So far, impact is easier to set up and drive than TC for me. let me know if you do because Alberts impact might need few more set up and clutch and 2 speed setting. i have a hudy for 235 cars, adapter for tires, and the truer itself to set up our impacts or 235 cars.

I am also wishing you guys (Rookie and Walt) luck in the HPI challenge. if you guys are the fastest guys left out there, just give us updates who won the Super class. Just do not hit both of your cars. Clean race to both of you, but you can hit somebody else's car :)

[Dropkicked]

I don't know how well it's set up yet. The 3 minutes of drive time I got last sunday proved that it definitely needed suspension work. I made some adjustments, put the floating rear mount back on, and did some really minor stuff. This sunday I am racing... period. Short of biblical floods or broken parts, I'm there. It's like starting all over though. It's gonna take some time to get use to the car, and learn to set it up properly. Luckily I got enough spare parts to keep me running even if I drive like Honda. (I'll try to only hit the boards) :)

Oh yeah.... I left to go look at a dog we were going to get last sunday....... hour and a half drive to the womans house, and the "C U Next Tuesday" adopted it out to someone else!! What a freakin waste.

Anyone got a Pit Bull for sale? (the 4 legged kind not the Charger)

[Nexus]

i'm finally back online...


anyone have Traycer/Tonys email or contact info? i need to get a hold of him.


good racing this past sunday....except for the weird computer outages in the Mains.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
i'm finally back online...


anyone have Traycer/Tonys email or contact info? i need to get a hold of him.


good racing this past sunday....except for the weird computer outages in the Mains.

Are you talking about Tony Gagliardo or someone else? Tony Gagliardo can be e-mailed from our homepage (www.chicagolandrc.com).

As for the outages, actually everything EXCEPT the computer went out on us... twice. I asked later inside the bowling alley and confirmed that the power flickered off and then back on twice while we were racing. The computer we use is a laptop, so it weathered the short power outage by going immediately to battery power, but unfortunately, when the scoring system itself (the AMB hardware) looses power, it has to 'reboot', which is a process that has to be commanded by the computer, so it was toast. The printer and PA system were also both off and needed to be 'rebooted', but not big deal there.

Although I don't see us having many days like Sunday were we are not getting rained out, but there are severe thunderstorms all around knocking out the power, I like to learn from mistakes and problems. So I am coming up with a simple 'UPS' system (uninteruptable power supply) for the scoring system. I hope to have the new power supply system done in a week or so, so that will be one more problem that won't ever happen again. The same system would also save us in the event that the circuit gets overloaded and trips off during a race, or in the event that someone accidentally unplugs one of our extension cords.

[mab_man20]

Hey guys,

At HTOP this saturday is the second annual nitro/electric challange!! We will have other events going on through out the day along with raffles and prizes.

Go here (http://www.chicagorc.com/hobbytownop/nitrovelectric_files/nitrovelectric.htm) for all the info and some basic rules. I hope to see everyone at the track!

[kakolitoy]

It will not rain on Saturday!! I touched my car once for the last 2 weeks. I touched it for only a hour. I am shaking right now and very excited to race. We have been busy fixing the house and making the garage a cool work area (3 car garage about 25 to 30 feet high). I really want to race I hope mother nature will give us a nice weekend!!!

[Dropkicked]

lol, I've had the stomach flu, so obviously had time on my hands. I tore down my impact, redid the electronics (new servo should be here today), and took inventory of stuff to replace (1 part). I spent more time on tools. Made a setup board with adjustable feet so I can level it on any surface, and added some weight to my tweak board so it's perfectly balanced now (or as close as possible).

As for a garage... yup, I've got one of those. 2 1/2 with a workshop on the back. Unfortunately I have so much stuff crammed in there I can't possible get it set up to work in for a long time :(. My den (cave) is the hobby shop, and this week it has spread to the kitchen table and countertop. I think I'll start cleaning that up today.

I'm iffy for sunday though, because if they'll let me work all weekend I'm gonna have to. 4 hours this week so far, so I'll need time and a half saturday and double time sunday to make up.

[Euge]

Nitro/Electric challenge sounds like fun!
If I go, I'll probably go electric for the day......
hmmm....time to buy a D5

[Nexus]

albert...will you be at HTOP this sat? if so can you bring my stratus 2.1?


i might head out for electric/nitro challenge to run my NTC3....euge get a Peak Carrera! :P


:D

[Serpent Impact]

I might.

[Rookie Solara]

For all the elect guy that are planning to go to HTOP for the elect vs nitro race.......please don't think your elect is any SLOWER then nitro, it is NOT TRUE.....3-4 weeks ago our "behinds" got spank really nice by a TC3 with a stock motor (he said it was the T3, D3 or something 3 - stock motor...no idea what the heck that mean...) his lap time is faster then any nitro car, his best time is uncatchable, and his overall time was unreachable.......overall, that is one fast elect car and I have no idea how could a stock motor can get that kind of power...

Too bad that person is from OHIO or somewhere out of town, if he show up this week, I would rather stand there to watch instead of racing (why waste fuel).......only way I can beat him is race 10 minutes or longer...

And SERPENT IMPACT, you better show up....cause my life is depending on you..........I need that POS short shaft engine for HPI challenge

[Serpent Impact]

I will be there if anybody can save me a parking space, if I late again.

thank you

[mab_man20]

Rookie: The motor he was using for the first heat was a 19T and the rest of the day he was using a motor with a 17T armature in it (hence no rebuildable stock sticker or extended shaft). I would also like to point out that, by luck, was running completely alone when he turned 25 laps.


As a side note, in the main I was only 1 lap down, and i plan to run a 17T for the challange. I hope all you nitro guys come out and give us a run for our money! If you dont we will brag about it every chance we get until next year!!! lol.


Hope to see everyone out there, the weather is looking great!

[Nexus]

i was a little suspicious about the guy running a "stocker" and blasting all the nitro guys.


a 19T or 17T i can imagine doing that but not necessarily a 27T ROAR legal stocker.

[T-Racer]

Hay Guys

To Help your guys minds the Guy from Ohio was driving a Novak brushless motor set up in his car. With a setup to semulate a stock motor, what i saw in practice the car was not that fast. Then in the mains and the rest of the day he chance to faster settings. So rest your minds he was not running a stock motor

T-racer

Nexus i willllll see you on Sunday

[Ourumov]

sorting through this forum is impossible. Where are some good off-road tracks in chicagoland? Is there a comprehensive accurate up to date track listing anywhere?

[Nexus]

Ourumov...

Leisure Hours Raceway
http://www.leisurehoursraceway.com/index.htm


Venture Raceways
http://ventureraceways.com/


AJs
http://www.ajsraceway.com/


Chicagoland R/C Raceway
http://www.chicagolandrc.com/welcome.htm

[Walt]

So, who one the old nitro/electric challenge this year (last Saturday, right?). I'm surprised that we haven't heard any results yet.

And is there anyone that wants me and/or Howard to enter a body into the HPI Challenge Concours event? We're leaving Friday morning for Michigan... wish us luck.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
So, who one the old nitro/electric challenge this year (last Saturday, right?). I'm surprised that we haven't heard any results yet.

And is there anyone that wants me and/or Howard to enter a body into the HPI Challenge Concours event? We're leaving Friday morning for Michigan... wish us luck.


Good luck !!!

Time is going so fast!!!

I talked to impact last night. We were about to run our cars today for practice and set up for Saturday (Qualifying Midwest series in Racine). Unfortunately, it rained and still raining. The best I can do is to look @ the track's pics and the asphalt of the track. They also had a video from last year 8th scale mains. I like to draw the track and visualize the T.FT.B.N. (Throttle, Full Throttle, Brake, and Neutral) keys.

Its getting me excited and little bit nervous as well. I never been in that track, new faces, and I Guess better drving skills that I saw so far. The only thing we can do is to have fun and do our best not to be the Last GUY!!!

4 more days to go!!

[Dropkicked]

I could come out. That way you wouldn't be the last guy. God knows, the circuit board in my throttle servo will fall apart or the screws will fall out of it stripping the gears, or I'll run out of gas while 2 laps ahead in the main with 5 minutes remaining, and not realize that lack of fuel was the problem until after the race. Actually, there's no way I'm going tho MWS. I might go to Tinley sunday, just to see if anyone's gonna run in Super/Impact class. Watch, it'll be me and 2 guys with stock super nitros, and I'll run the most consistant, and fastest that I've ever run, and nothing will break.

The Unluckiest (and possibly dumbest) Man in the World,

Drop


Walt,

any idea when result might make it to the website?

thanks

[Walt]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
Walt,

any idea when result might make it to the website?

thanks

Well, there will likely be a delay this week. Since I'm not going to be here next week, I left all the race equipment (including my computer) with Tony for next week. He's going to try to get the results off and sent to me so I can post them, but there is room for that plan to fail. My laptop has only a CD drive in it, which is useless for getting files off. He needs to get his Zip drive working on my computer to get the files off... anyway, we're trying, but at the worst it won't be until next week.

I'm rethinking our entire race running computer system to make this much easier.

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by Walt
So, who one the old nitro/electric challenge this year (last Saturday, right?). I'm surprised that we haven't heard any results yet.

And is there anyone that wants me and/or Howard to enter a body into the HPI Challenge Concours event? We're leaving Friday morning for Michigan... wish us luck.

I'm pretty sure Rookie walked away with the title again this year.

[Rookie Solara]

But come on......if Mike didn't have the radio problem right at the beginning of the race.......Nexus and other fast elect guys missing in action..........I don't think I can really WALK away with the title.

We should do that on the next weekend, again.........it is just 7 minutes, we can do that every single weekend.

For me, this race doesn't count at all.........(almost only nitro car are running except 1 elect actually last like good 3-4 minutes...I think)

[kakolitoy]

Have you seen my Flat scewdriver?

thanks pls. let me know

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Have you seen my Flat scewdriver?

thanks pls. let me know

I can take alook when I get home.......what FLAT screendriver are you talking about....? I have one myself with red handle to adjust needle setting....but that is mine.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt...you forgot to give me your address..? (which I did email you this morning...) How am I suppose to find you.....please call my cell phone (630-915-9405)

T-racer or xxxmike, if you see this message before Walt, still, call me....

I don't even know the time and Walt's address.........

[Walt]

Howard,

Since you've been to my house before, I thought you didn't need my address again, and the time has not changed from what we decided last Sunday... some time between 10 and 11am departure. I'll call you, but not this early... you might still be sleeping...

[Nexus]

rookie...yea i wish i could have made it out for this race.

would have been interesting if myself, euge, kitt, rutt ran mod electrics vs the nitros.

maybe next time :)

[Euge]

Yeah, that would have been fun. I was all set to go out and buy a new mod motor and batteries, but something came up.
I hope I can make it the next time.

[Dropkicked]

So, come on guys!!!

Where's the results from HPI Challenge, and Midwest Series?? Did chicagoland RC racers Sweep??:D

Drop

[Rookie Solara]

HPI Challenge report...........once again, I disappointed everyone...ended up 7th due to trackion roll (and I will blaim the NICE airport 1" deep cracks everywhere on the track)...and popped pipe in the middle, that is over.....

and the main cutted from 10 minutes to 5 minutes, that really sucks...

But the good news...........WALT, once again, he defended the title and he is the 2003 2nd HPI Challenge Super Nitro modify Class Champion.......it was a long story.

First, it was a LONG weekend of waiting and not much driving/racing......Walt and I both setup our cars for the track size like TINLEY due to the information from the HPI ppl.....they claimed since the track is location at the airport run way, they should be able to set up a hugh track, and 2 speed is a MUST HAVE.......OK fine, HPI 2-speed....woobee.

Friday night, stop by the track for practice and setup......the track is HUGH, so hugh that remains me HTOP (not making fun of the track of HTOP, really)..............what part of HUGH are they talking about...? The track is barely 125 feet long by 40 feet wide....if I run my HPI MICRO at the track, YES, that is HUGH......but running a oversize Super Nitro there....that is a JOKE. Track is a little small for Touring car, but still, a good size for them, but Super NITRO.......it is a waste. Walt and I both experienced UNDERSTEERING due to the 10 feet wide lane and constand 180 hairpin turn..............I never drove my RC car like I was in my driver's ED when I was in high school....(Gas, Brake, brake brake again, then gas, brake, brake brake again..........etc).

2 speed is out immediately, it is a waste, the 2nd gear shifted right where we have to BRAKE....again, HUGH track-please...however, Walt and I both qualified at the 2nd and 5th position (not bad for me since I rarely practice my car due to the wife factor...), and Jason was the one that beat Walt at the last hit by 3 second over Walt's best and took TQ...but the reason he beat us is because we both don't want to spend money to buy the RIGHT tires for the challenge (not sure about WALT, but I am cheap...and I knew I won't use the rubber after the challenge...)

Like I said it is a long story.....SUNDAY main are ready, but so does the mother nature, the whole place was shut down due to thunderstorm, possible turnado and heavy rain approaching........HPI decided to pull a vote regarding the finishes, they want to stop the race and crown the champion by using the TQ finish....of course, Walt will not be the champ cause he was 3 second behind Jason on the last main.....but he did manage to come up a very smart idea (thats why he won the A-main I think...) He suggest to run ONLY the A-main with only 5 minutes..........so HPI dropped the Nitro B and Super Nitro B and ran only the Nitro A and Super Nitro A with only 20 minutes, cause the fire departent at Jackson are forceing everyone to leave ASAP due to the lighting and thunder storm approaching....holding a 4 foot tall radio antanna was NOT the smartest thing to do at the wide open plane field....so the quick 5 minutes main started almost immediately after the announcement

Walt was 2nd for the most of the race (about 4 minutes 30 second) and TOOK the lead with about 30 seconds left and never look back......even though he was the LAST one to start (due to misunderstanding between him and his mechanic) he still managed to come from the dead last and took the lead with only 30 second left....of course, I knew there is NO CHANCE for me to drive like walt, so I have to drop out and watch him to pass everyone ONE BY ONE.

It was a clean run, no one complaint about the way he drove, and he definitely deserve the title.....

Once again, congratulation to WALT, the 03 1st place finish of the national HPI challenge Super Nitro class.....(and congratulation to me that at least I can start my engine at the main)

[Walt]

Howard forgot to mention that for the main he and I swapped engines because his was clearly running much stronger than mine... he was nice enough to take the slower engine just to give me a better shot at the win. With my engine in the 3rd qualifier, it was all I could do to just keep up with Jason (the other fast guy in the Super Nitro class), but with Howard's engine in there for the main, I was able to reel him in and was just starting to put the pressure on Jason when he made a mistake and I drove right by.

I don't think I would have been able to catch up from that far back with my engine in there (my brother didn't hear the starting sound and held onto my car until almost the whole field had gone by, meanwhile, Jason is driving away with clean track in front of him from the TQ position... nothing like a little handicap to make things interesting).

By the way Howard, I've already got your engine pulled out and ready to give back to you (or Jim) on Sunday.

[tazfam2]

congrats walt

[HauntedMyst]

Congratulations Walt! And congratulations to Howard for a tremendous show of good sportsmanship in loaning Walt his engine!

[mab_man20]

Congrats guys!!

Im sorry I havent gotten the nitro/electric results up. Do to some miscommunication and unforseen events Brian was unable to make it to the race, so we will be running a Nitro/Electric challange 2 in the near future. We will have all of the events advertised for the first one and we will run a second Nitro/Electric race. Im not sure what happened on the track the first time, but only about 2 cars managed to go the entire race (myself not included :p :( ) so im sure that Rookie and kakolitoy wouldnt mind a second race for all the marbles!

I will post dates and will get brian to send out a flier as soon as we get things finalized.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt.....no need to mention, we come as a team, and leave as a team (with the 1st and 7th place finish of course)....that is all matter.

You can hang on to the engine till sunday, and I will drop off the engine to Jim sometime this week, of couse, I assume Jim is going to race this week after 3 weeks of MIA.

Beside, I am too busy in patching the roof leaks, so no time fore RC for a long while........

Another news, BIG ALBERT (Serpent_Impact) Qualified 5th at the Mid-West series and his name was mentioned at the Serpent Website (see attached link)............and I think that is considered "OUTSTANDING" already for a first timer Mid-West Series racer race against the top class Impact racer....congratulation to Albert as well.

Mid-west series at Racine (http://www.myrcworld.net/events/news.asp?eid=1012&pid=8581)

[kakolitoy]

Congrats to Abet!!!!!

Very good turn out to Albert. I really tried my best to set up his car and still had lack of steering and power. We found out that he popped his glow plug and loss battery reciver pack power in the main. He was really pushing hard in the main save his Ufra tires that I trued friday for him (did not use it for 3rd heat to save on the main). He was on the lead for a minute, then he ran out of power on both batteries and motor. Hope you had a great time and my set up help the performance of your car.

On the other hand, I had a disappointing heats. my motor acted wierd on the first heat and I got T bone hard that my driveshaft and adaptors popped out. They were very very fast. I am coming back there, once to they go to Chicago on September. I will try again on the 4wd 8th scale class. Brian Berry almost does not make a mistake and very very fast. Good thing we took a video so I can study his skills. I hope all of us can go there and try the experience. It was a great track and organization, I did not had a radio problem. We barely marshall a car. I think 98 % of the drivers are very good good and very challenging.

On tc class they are very very challenging. They are fast too, I think all of us should go for the next series

[kakolitoy]

WE have pics I might post it tommorrow. Albert does not want it post!!

I have to ask him again!!

I think I should because although I had a bad heat I still had a great weekend!!

[Nexus]

mab.

when might the next nitro vs. electric challenge be?

just wondering to try and do some planning....i'm off the weekends of aug.9/10 and 16/17th if the helps :D

[Euge]

Originally posted by Nexus
mab.

when might the next nitro vs. electric challenge be?

just wondering to try and do some planning....i'm off the weekends of aug.9/10 and 16/17th if the helps :D

I'm in for either of those weekends. I just need to find a good mod motor and foams!

does anyone know if the foam tires for my NTC3 will fit on an electric TC3?

[racerdave]

Direction's to the Tinley track heading east on RT80 from Joliet? Will there be practice on Saturday night? Is there a website? Thanks, rd

[Walt]

Originally posted by racerdave
Direction's to the Tinley track heading east on RT80 from Joliet? Will there be practice on Saturday night? Is there a website? Thanks, rd

I can help you (I run the on-road races at Tinley). First, our web site is: www.chicagolandrc.com

From there, if you click on the 'directions' tab you'll get directions and a map, but it's pretty simple. Take I-80 East from Joliet to the Harlem Ave exit. Go North on Harlem to the first stop light, which is 183rd street. Go West (left) on 183rd Street and the Tinley Park Bowl (where we race) will be on your left, about 1/3mile down... can't miss it. We set up the track on the West side of the bowling alley.

The track will be set up on Saturday evening, around 5pm. If you are willing to help set up the track, the first 5 guys that get there at 5pm and help set up practice for free on Saturday and race for free on Sunday (we really don't need more help than 5 guys). If you just come to practice on Saturday (don't help set up) it's only $5, and you can run under the lights until you fall asleep on the driver's stand (or 3am, whichever comes first).

See you at the track.

[Rkmori]

Hey Walt, why don't you guys convince HPI to have next years Callenge at Tinley Park?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Hey Walt, why don't you guys convince HPI to have next years Callenge at Tinley Park?

I've thought about this, and here's what I concluded: I'm not interested. Why? Well, let's put it this way: What's in it for me to host the race? It's a TON of work, very little glory if things go well, a lot of misery if things go wrong.

Also, we'd have to race somewhere else besides our normal track next to the bowling alley. HPI is not interested in running at an established RC racing spot... they want a lot of new people to see the race that have never seen RC before so that they leave thinking they want a car and thinking that HPI is the only company that makes them. If I tried to hold a race somewhere other than the bowling alley, what track would I use? The track we use now is owned by the bowling alley, and they want the races at their facility so that they can make money.

In the end, it's just not worth it at this point.

About the only reason I can think of to host one of these races is if I wanted to use it as a 'stepping stone' towards hosting bigger races, but I'm not ready for that yet.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt....Jim is not coming SUNDAY, so you don't need to bring the engine that day..........if possible you can stop by my house before you work on monday and pick up the engine from my house, I am usually up at 6:30am....if that is ok for you, give me a call

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Walt
I've thought about this, and here's what I concluded: I'm not interested. Why? Well, let's put it this way:

Walt,

I can see your point, and you are right as far as HPI is conserned it's the $$$$ after the Challenge. It is to the benifit of the hosting hobby store to hold the event because both HPI and the store, I'm sure, see an increase in sales of HPI products (kits and replacement parts). Never the less according to Frank from HPI there is thoughts that the Challenge might be held at the Jubillee in Jackson, MI again next year on a better piece of black top.

I gotta make it out to Tinley Pk. one of these weekends. Maybe next sunday since I won't be racing at HTOP, and there seems to be nothing planned at this time (I better check with the Wife).

Rex

[Walt]

We hope to see you in Tinley.

And I wouldn't mind if they held the Challenge during the Jubilee again. It was actually a very nice event. There was plenty to do when not racing, which is nice. If they do hold it there again next year, I'd probably bring along my wife since I know now that she'd have other things to do while I'm racing.

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by Euge
I'm in for either of those weekends. I just need to find a good mod motor and foams!

does anyone know if the foam tires for my NTC3 will fit on an electric TC3?

Yes, but the rear will be very wide. From what I've seen and run, you are better off with the 27's or the GS Medial pros in rubber for eletric.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
Yes, but the rear will be very wide. From what I've seen and run, you are better off with the 27's or the GS Medial pros in rubber for eletric.

Yes, but that is so ILLEGAL......at HTOP, they follow the ROAR, IFMAR, NHRA, WWF, WWCP,BOCA, IBC, NBC, NEC, NBA, NFL, NHL and IHRA rules.........according to the rules 13-(14-203-300) item 54 paragraphe 2 and listed item 5.02, your rear must maintain 190mm......no more and no less, so you cannot use 30mm wide rear foam on your TC3....period.

LOL..........I was just messing with you Euge.......you can run whatever you want on your TC3....try drop a 12 engine in the TC3, I bet it will be faster.

[Euge]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
LOL..........I was just messing with you Euge.......you can run whatever you want on your TC3....try drop a 12 engine in the TC3, I bet it will be faster.

it's all good. :P
But my original question is if the foams from my NTC3 would fit, not whether or not I should....etc...

By the way, it's been a long time since I raced at Tinley. Does anyone know if the electric class has been running stock or mod?
foams or rubbers? or "race what you brung"?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Euge
it's all good. :P
But my original question is if the foams from my NTC3 would fit, not whether or not I should....etc...

By the way, it's been a long time since I raced at Tinley. Does anyone know if the electric class has been running stock or mod?
foams or rubbers? or "race what you brung"?

Yes....every foams should work on TC3....just need to know do you really need 30mm wide at the rear...? You might be OK with 26mm all around, just differenet shores.

Walt can answer that more clearly, but I think you can RUN anything that you want, since there is only 1 class of elect TC and I don't think he would like to divide them up to 3 or 4 different classes with only 1 or 2 cars running on each class.

HTOP is also the same....run whatever that you want.

Try 12V Gel Cell powered TC3.....that should work for the 2.4 hours endurance race.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
it's all good. :P
By the way, it's been a long time since I raced at Tinley. Does anyone know if the electric class has been running stock or mod?
foams or rubbers? or "race what you brung"?

We have been getting one good class of electric touring cars, but we continue to see more and more of the 'electric' guys converting over to nitro. As Howard said, since we don't have enough guys to separate out the electric cars into stock verses mod, we run them all together. We run 5 minute races, so as long as you can make the time, you're good.

[Rookie Solara]

Since I might not be able to race RC anymore......I have to find something else to do on the weekend....back to Import Tunning.

Last Sat on HIN (Hot Import Night) I spend good $22 on some fine IMPORTS.......and I would like to share them with you guys...

http://users.rcn.com/arsa/hin2003/IMG_0090.JPG http://users.rcn.com/arsa/hin2003/IMG_0153.JPG

And no...........not the IMPORT CARS......the real IMPORTS....LOL

[mab_man20]

Anyway, how was the "race" howard? Any cars of note?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Anyway, how was the "race" howard? Any cars of note?

Ah.....what RACE...? and what CARS?......LOL

The "CRUISE" I was talking about was great....like 12-13 cars from Schumeburg to McCormak Place (Cars from WRX to 350Z)............average 90-100mph for the whole time..........but of course, I am the last one on the line, due to the "DRIVER getting OLD and NEURVUS" problem.

But overall, safe and fun.....

http://www.ameritech.net/users/jesse11/hin03-33.jpg

http://www.ameritech.net/users/jesse11/hin03-34.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p524118bf5603e4f2a364f0311ce2af86/fb8bbd5d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p31bbb7a2f576ce68e07632c47343646b/fb8bbd4c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pdc02dbaa2f13aaa774069cb2d65d55b1/fb8bbd1e.jpg

[wrxdan]

I'm back after a long drawn out move:( We have the worst closing ever! I was without a house for a while....ahhh living with the parents again. Well we finally moved in and I never ever want to see a box again. I still can't find my computer speakers and went without the tv remote for 3 days!!! Did that suck.

Congrats to Walt & Howard for the HPI run!! Sounds like Mother Nature hates RC?

Since Rookie Daddy is now an import tuner...he can get his butt over here to help me install my uppipe and downpipe on the WRX:)

So what else did I miss??

Dan

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
Since Rookie Daddy is now an import tuner...he can get his butt over here to help me install my uppipe and downpipe on the WRX:)

So what else did I miss??

Dan

Wow.....I was just thinking about you like last week at HTOP and wondering "does DAN decided to be a baby sitter instead to race RC on the weekend...?"

I hope everything went good on your closing, you don't have to mention CLOSING again, I knew the pain and I will try my best not to Re-FI or buy a new house or sell a house anytime soon...

Anyhow....Serpent_Impact (Fat Albert) is the guy that you want to get in touch with.....he can build cars like yours, and I didn't realzied that his garage has almost 80% of the tools that you can find at the typical garage.....I think beside opening up the engine, he can do basicly everything (such as your uppipe and downpipe installation)

Besides.........we just missed a good Toyota/WRX/350Z meeting last week..........there were 2 STi WRX there and they are smoking....(too bad we couldn't find any Evolution on the road and do a City version FIA Rally Championship....lol)

[pev942]

for anyone who cares trinitys new micro car and micro horse power motors with change able brushes come out this month

also xray has a new micro coming out in a couple month

walt walt where are you. i might have to give up micros when school starts . i want to race you again . i am on a six week tear

[Walt]

Originally posted by pev942
walt walt where are you. i might have to give up micros when school starts . i want to race you again . i am on a six week tear

I might ask (beg) my wife to let me out to play for a couple of hours tonight... I didn't get to race on Sunday due to rain, plus I really want to test the latest release of our scoring software... maybe you'll get your wish tonight (but don't hold your breath)

[kakolitoy]

2003 Racine MWS Pics and opinoins about the day, track , and organization!!

This pic is a part of a lay out of the track. It was really wide and long that we cannot fit it in our camera.

[kakolitoy]

1/10 235 A main Sunday. Number 5 car is Impact's car and behind me is a local racer from Tinley and telling me to look @ the flag and forget the sound of the horn.

Look @ that long straight away and very very smooth treated track. In this track you can tell a modified and Non modified motor.

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Walt
I might ask (beg) my wife to let me out to play

Hey Walt don't feel bad we all have the "wife" to consult before making decisions. Don't you just envy the single guys....LOL

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Don't you just envy the single guys....LOL

No, I don't. Been there, done that, marriage suits me well.

[kakolitoy]

Awesome!! look @ Impact while racing!!

[kakolitoy]

Eventhough I had a bad heat, I still had a great weekend watching the pros how they get down on the track.

[kakolitoy]

This was done by my Lovely G.F., I cut the body and she painted and decaled my body for this event. I have to give her a lot of credit to all the support she is giving me and no complains on most of my time in this hobby!!

[kakolitoy]

Impact pls. do not get mad!!!

I think its good to show a pic of how much fun we had in that event. You see you were not even smiling :) .

We were having fun eating and driking under the ca-no-pee heheh!!

Hopefully, everyone can join us in the Chicago MWS on September.

BTW: I am not sure if our line is back on, I have to ask my webmaster.

Thanks for being pateince for the racers that does not care.

[Rookie Solara]

Nice pictures.....if Serpen_impact is kind enough to let me borrow his OTHER Impact, I will race with you guys on the IMPACT class, that is the class that I like the most.

Walt should be able to run with those big boys at Touring class now....espeically his "BUDDY" Espo will be there....LOL

Walt, did you get your 12 scale yet? I am trying to look for one at EBAY......and I am looking for the RC12L3, but ppl told me for 4 cells........CRC or Speed Merchant is the better choice...

Do you know what AJ/Ventures are running? 4 cells and how many turns motor?

[wrxdan]

Wow things have changed!! Your guys are going 1/12 elec.? Or is this a winter plan B thing?

[Rookie Solara]

That is something we did talk about while driving to HPI challenge........I used to race 12 scale as well (like Walt) but definitely grand father period.

Still have the RC12 and TRC Pro 12 laying around, too bad there are no parts for that otherwise I am ready to race...

How about you...? Sold your Micro but you can still do 12 scale..?

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
That is something we did talk about while driving to HPI challenge........I used to race 12 scale as well (like Walt) but definitely grand father period.

Still have the RC12 and TRC Pro 12 laying around, too bad there are no parts for that otherwise I am ready to race...

How about you...? Sold your Micro but you can still do 12 scale..?

No.

1. I never understood batteries which is a hugh part in 4 cell racing.

2. summer is all the budget allows right now.

I still have my bolink 1/10 pan somewhere. I raced that car the longest.

You can't get parts for the RC12? Aren't AE's newer 12s similar to your car?

I know venture runs a 1/12 scale class but all those drivers were in the expert class.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
No.

1. I never understood batteries which is a hugh part in 4 cell racing.

2. summer is all the budget allows right now.

I still have my bolink 1/10 pan somewhere. I raced that car the longest.

You can't get parts for the RC12? Aren't AE's newer 12s similar to your car?

I know venture runs a 1/12 scale class but all those drivers were in the expert class.

Ah............budget, yes, budget, and yes, I have that too...just try to ignore that....for now.

Oh I almost forgot...I will have a J.Lo coming soon......

So.....I don't know....

And no...the new Rc12 (or anyohter 12 scale) use the new hub for the wheels...otherwise, I would not need a new car...beside I was just thinking about a new 12 scale...thinking is still FREE now...right?

[kakolitoy]

thinking is still FREE now...right? [/B][/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]


No!! You still get charge because day dreaming about RC is a waste of time especially in relationship situation. I cannot think about RC if we are @ dinner or after dinner, especially before going to bed or else I get in trouble heheh!!

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
thinking is still FREE now...right? [/QUOTE]


No!! You still get charge because day dreaming about RC is a waste of time especially in relationship situation. I cannot think about RC if we are @ dinner or after dinner, especially before going to bed or else I get in trouble heheh!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Your not married are you:p

[Walt]

Actually, I attended the Micro race last night and talked to one of the guys (again) that races 1/12th at AJ's. He said that a lot of guys there are running the 12L. He also said that a few guys (himself included) showed up with Trinity Switchblade cars and they seemed to be the best all around car, and many people started switching over to it. He also said that the CRC car is probably the fastest car out there, but way to fragile. One brush against the boards and the car is hopelessly tweeked.

So, I'm probably going to take his advice and look around for a Trinity car (we just need to make sure that we're not bidding against each other on E-bay).

From what I hear, at AJ's they are running the 19 turn 'spec' motors, and with the new 3300 batteries, batteries become not nearly the issue that they used to be back when we ran 1200 Sanyo nicads. Back then if you didn't have some 'inside connection' way to get good batteries, you were screwed. Last year, Chris Doseck won in Cleveland with 3300's he bought at the hobby shop right at the track. I'm hopefull that batteries are not the big problem any more. There was no way that was going to happen back in 1987 when I went to Cleveland for the nationals.

By the way, congratulations to JJ. He's been practicing with that micro and I couldn't keep up with him last night, putting an end to my Micro winning streak that started the week I finally got the ARM chassis. I have a lot of fun racing with those micros. I think that 1/12th scale will be even more fun, at least as a winter activity... nitro is the way to go in the summer, if for nothing else then just to have the long mains.

[kakolitoy]

Still not sure if it is going to be @ Bradley, Kanakakee, or Park Ridge.

It will be on Sept. 6th, and 7th. It will be a 2 day race weekend. Those racers that would like to go start planning soon. I guarantee its a great fun and different rush experieince. I feel like I am racing with a lot of senior!!

[Walt]

It's funny how I'm hearing two greatly different accounts of the Midwest Series race. Here, it's all 'wow, this was great', from others, it's nothing but 'it sucked'.

You say that the track was huge, but others told me that the track was barely longer than Tinley but narrower. You said the driver's stand was awsome, but others told me it was lower than the one we have and not as wide either. You make it sound like the racing was great, but I heard that the turnout (especially in touring cars) was about the same as what we get on a weekly basis (again, I'm talking touring cars here).

Others told me that although the race was touted as a ROAR event following ROAR rules, NO ONE teched in a single car, and many were running 5 and 7 port, turbo, etc. motors in the touring car class, even a .15 was seen. Many cars had illegal cut outs in the body, oversize fuel tanks, non-conforming width, weight, etc.

It sounded to me like it was not all that it was cracked up to be, but maybe that was only if you were running a touring car. If you run an Impact or 1/8th car (like you run), then this is the only real racing you get, so I can see the extra enthusiasm, but for touring car racing, it sounded like a bust and a waste of time and money.

[T-Racer]

Anthony

So you like racing at the Midwest Series. That great only it will get into your blood and you will have to traval to all the mws races. This mouth the race will be somewhere near Cincy the last site of the Worlds for some Class. This track is the best in US I understand. So four of us Guys from Tinley are heading to that track for that race. I will bring back ideas for Tinley park track site.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
It's funny how I'm hearing two greatly different accounts of the Midwest Series race. Here, it's all 'wow, this was great', from others, it's nothing but 'it sucked'.

You say that the track was huge, but others told me that the track was barely longer than Tinley but narrower. You said the driver's stand was awsome, but others told me it was lower than the one we have and not as wide either. You make it sound like the racing was great, but I heard that the turnout (especially in touring cars) was about the same as what we get on a weekly basis (again, I'm talking touring cars here).

Others told me that although the race was touted as a ROAR event following ROAR rules, NO ONE teched in a single car, and many were running 5 and 7 port, turbo, etc. motors in the touring car class, even a .15 was seen. Many cars had illegal cut outs in the body, oversize fuel tanks, non-conforming width, weight, etc.

It sounded to me like it was not all that it was cracked up to be, but maybe that was only if you were running a touring car. If you run an Impact or 1/8th car (like you run), then this is the only real racing you get, so I can see the extra enthusiasm, but for touring car racing, it sounded like a bust and a waste of time and money.

Every people have different opinoin, but in my situation (No offense) it was a better experience in all the track I ran in the Chicagoland. It's probably because of, most of the racers out there acted the way we all suppose to be. For instance, Radio clips the person on my freqeuncy put the clip back after one tank etc. Except for for one racer that race 8th scale too from Tinley.

RE Size of the track: If you look @ the pic above before the 235 main start. If you notice how wider it is and longer it is than Tinley park. Like what I said you can compare a modified motor or non modified motor on that track.

RE Motor: It is true noone check the motor or car tires. Its basically like tinley park, "Run what you have."

Anyway, to make my statement short. I am not here to compare tracks. Honestly, I like all the tracks in Chicagoland except in NIles. Actually, it was not bad for the price. I paid I think $60 for 2 Roar membership (for me and my brother) and the 2 day race day. Its like paying $10 each car @ the track.

You see you were hearing 2 different opinions, the best way to judge is to go out there for once and you be the judge on the criteria for fun, organization, and experience. I am not forcing you to go, but that is the best way to find out. I have some videos if you would like to see. Just let me know if you want to see it, if we get a chance to race on a Sunday I will bring my camcorder and show you. Remember this was the track @ Racine not the Chicago one. I just think its good to let the Chicago racers what we have out there besides Chicagoland tracks. Its nice to see different level of driving and mechanical skills. I think that is the reason why we race, is to prove to ourselves that we have skills. :)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by T-Racer
Anthony

So you like racing at the Midwest Series. That great only it will get into your blood and you will have to traval to all the mws races. This mouth the race will be somewhere near Cincy the last site of the Worlds for some Class. This track is the best in US I understand. So four of us Guys from Tinley are heading to that track for that race. I will bring back ideas for Tinley park track site.

Yeah!! Tony,

WE had a great time. I did bad on the race, but it was a great learning day for me. I realized that most of the Chicago local track cannot really tell the performance of you car and motor. Once you go to a bigger track it was a really differnt set up in motor, clutch, suspension, transmission. I think you can stay full throttle in that track for @ least 4 to 7 sec. depending on your motor or set up. But I have not seen a 8th scale full trottle in a track for @ least 5 sec. I have a great clip of Brian berry driving his 950 and evo 5 M.S. It was tremendously fast and awesome handling. I think he just drives great whatever car he drives.

Anyway so far, me and impact will definitley go back. Last time I talked to MIke C. He said he will go back and try to set up his car for a bigger track. I think he wants to try new gearing in his proceed.

[Rookie Solara]

I would love to go to the Hamilton track to just see what a real RC track suppose to be...........I went to Japan and saw their local track, and expect they are almost as good as those in Japan.

How long it take to go to Hamilton...........? T-Racer, do you need a mechanic?

For those who want to know what is a real RC track....take a look at this....

http://www.myrcworld.net/tracks/track.asp?cid=748

http://www.tri-statercautoracers.com/frames/track.html

http://www.tri-statercautoracers.com/trackpics/track.jpg

Walt/T-racer......if you go to their site, they have several layout on that track before.....how the heck they can do that..?

http://www.tri-statercautoracers.com/trackpics/pic2.jpg

http://www.tri-statercautoracers.com/trackpics/pic1.jpg

[Walt]

From what I understand, they do a new layout every couple of years, and I've only seen two different layouts (the two you have posted above). I think that racing on the same track every week would get very boring, but I guess others don't mind. If I every have anything to do with a permanent track, it will allow MANY different layouts, and the ability to change on a weekly basis.

And I'm not necessarily 'bashing' the Midwest Series race, just stating what I heard from others that were there. Since technical inspection is left up to the host track, I have a feeling that a much better job will be done in Ohio.

[Rookie Solara]

If you want to convert your NTC3 to use GTP conversion with LOLA body (I am sure myself and Hauntedmyst are very INTO this....) I have 2 set of these custom maded GTP conversion kit for NTC3 to sell.....(I kept one already)

You will not find more then 5 of these kit in this world cause my friend did this just for fun and he made only 3 set for me to test the market oversea.....(he can CNC anything cause he got the million dollars machine at his work)

So who ever interested, please let me know...I have only 2 left, and the butterfly wings/connection arms from V1RR are included....because it is quite difficult to order V1RR parts here in Chicago....it is all plug and play.

P.S.....this conversion will not be allowed to race at any ROAR legal race or at TINLEY PARK race track under TOURING CAR class unless you did some minor modification on the GTP bridge that can hold up the touring car body..........I think I will do that so I can use TC body...and LOLA if I am racing other places...

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[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
And I'm not necessarily 'bashing' the Midwest Series race, just stating what I heard from others that were there. Since technical inspection is left up to the host track, I have a feeling that a much better job will be done in Ohio.

I understand the concept of Tinley track in the future is changing the PATH of the course every week, but still, whoe track layout is still unchange.

But if you take a look at the 2nd and 3rd pictures, you can see they change the GREEN AREA (and you can spot the old track layout underneath)

How do they do that...? Simple just re-construct the whole thing...? How much do they charge per person per race per day..? $100 or $150 per hour...?

Don't forget I believe those GREEN area are kinda sloped (concave upward) green painted area with concrete (or other material)....it is not just REPAINT the green area.......unless those green area are not like what i think.....it might be FLAT just like the track and they just repaint the whole track once every 2-3 years.

[wrxdan]

Do tracks like that make a profit? Not including hobby shop profit? Do any tracks make money? I always thought they were built be people that wanted to race but had no place to race at. Building just for sake of racing.

But after hearing what Walts been thru, running the track and running in the race is a hard feat to accomplish.

Dan

[Rookie Solara]

To be honest, running a high-end track like Hamilton is not JUST for local racing, Hamilton track is one of the best and well-known track in USA (only....defintiely not the world)

But at least, it is followed the ROAR and IFMAR standards, thats why most of the national race in MW will choose Hamilton as the track to host something big.

If you want to know about hosting a local track and hobby store just for RC CARS (no others, just car)......I would say you will make more money by flipping burgers at McDonald then that.

Ppl do that just for the love of RC, nothing else.

[kakolitoy]

Will host the 1/8 Ifmar world warmp up and Championship. They did a few changes and made the track little bit longer. The ifmar 1/8 is going to be in the middle of September. 1/8 world champ is the greatest competition in all class because 8th scale is considered the F1 in RC business.

[pev942]

thanks walt that really means alot

have you guys seen aj's raceway new outdoor track all repaved it is sweet with soft borders and changable layout indoor pits with air conditioning. its in dekalb btw here is the website http://www.ajsraceway.com/

i know alot of tinley racers are going up there this weekend to try it. i am going up watch, nitro is still to rich for a poor college student like me.

howard why in the hell would you want to change a tc3 to a gtp and what are those things clamped to the upper a-arms. lol just kidding

[Walt]

Unless I'm missing something here, the pictures on AJ's web site look like the exact same track he had last year... mostly an oval with a boring road course inside made of 4x4's, that never changes. Is there some link on his web page that I keep missing that has new pictures? Perhaps someone can attach a link to the new pictures instead of just the home page, because I can't seem to get to the new pictures.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by pev942
howard why in the hell would you want to change a tc3 to a gtp and what are those things clamped to the upper a-arms. lol just kidding

So I can show off..............:D

And, the same reason why you use the LOLA body on your MICRO.......

How come you are not using Corvette or TC body and use Lola...? Why...?

Walt, they never update their site........so you didn't miss anything.

[pev942]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara


How come you are not using Corvette or TC body and use Lola...? Why...?

Walt, they never update their site........so you didn't miss anything.

i did paint up a 69 camaro body and ran it for one qualifier i with horrid results i was way to top heavy and would lean to much in the turns then traction roll the gtp bodies are just lower and wider.

walt he is right those pictures are very old the new track has fresh pavement. for borders they use the black side molding that you would trim a garden with. the corners they have foam blocks attached to flexible piece of plastic that springs back in place if a car brushes it. basically the overall layout is a squared oval with a big infield. to change the course they have a bunch of small tractor tires painted yellow with a rope connecting them to block off or open up certain paths

[wrxdan]

HTOP is next Sat. right?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by pev942
gtp bodies are just lower and wider.


You just answered your own question.......that applies to every single kind of cars...

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
HTOP is next Sat. right?

Yes......and am I hearing "Come back" from the WRX daddy...?

[kakolitoy]

Its time for you to comeback too!!

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Yes......and am I hearing "Come back" from the WRX daddy...?

I hope so. My luck it will rain:mad:

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
I hope so. My luck it will rain:mad:

ME...? No race at Tinley for the last 3 weeks.....and no race for me at HTOP for the last 5 weeks.....

When was the last time I touched my RC car....hmmmmm, good 3 weeks ago, and I think I can see "RETIRE" very very soon....:mad:

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
ME...? No race at Tinley for the last 3 weeks.....and no race for me at HTOP for the last 5 weeks.....

When was the last time I touched my RC car....hmmmmm, good 3 weeks ago, and I think I can see "RETIRE" very very soon....:mad:

so what have you been doing? The baby is not here yet:)

Howard...one piece of advise.... get a bottle warmer.

Dan

[dragracer28]

Walt when will the new off road track be finished at Tinley. I need a good place to race close to my house. Don't forget the dragstrip ;).

[Kenji]

Howdy...I race at Leisure on Friday nights electric night. Some of the off road guys like Rick also run on road with you guys at Tinley. I wanted to ask some newbie on road questions and knew you all would give accurate no BS advice. Can you answer some ?'s for me?

Knowing what I know now about offroad racing and the equipment I'm guessing it would be similar to on road.

I'm a rookie racer and my son is in B mains in off road. I'm wanting to get myself a TC3 and wanted to know about motors and servos.

knowing my driving skillz are poor would it be better for me to stick with a stock motor or a mild mod like a 17, and just a high torque servo if I race at Tinley? I'm gonnna need to learn how to drive and I'm assuming that just going fast in a straight line has nothing to do with racing at Tinley.

My son has a TC3 and we installed a 12T. I'm thinking it may even be too much motor for him if we race at tinley.

So....what do you think? What are the racing classes at Tiney? ls there such a thing as "stock touring car (27 turn or a 19 turn motor)', and what's your opinion for a newbie racers gear?

Thanks guys!!

[Walt]

Originally posted by wrxdan
Howard...one piece of advise.... get a bottle warmer.

Dan

You've already got a bottle warmer... it's called a microwave oven. What you really need is a diaper genie and a changing table. I have some friends that didn't get either of those items, and now their house always smells like dirty diapers, and their backs are all messed up from changing the baby on the floor 8 times a day.

[Walt]

Originally posted by dragracer28
Walt when will the new off road track be finished at Tinley. I need a good place to race close to my house. Don't forget the dragstrip ;).

Soon, I hope. We think we found someone to run the off road track, but now I have not heard from him in over a week. I hope he's just rounding up the equipment he needs... I hope he isn't backing out.

I'll defintely post here when we have an opening date set.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Kenji
I'm a rookie racer and my son is in B mains in off road. I'm wanting to get myself a TC3 and wanted to know about motors and servos.

So....what do you think? What are the racing classes at Tiney? ls there such a thing as "stock touring car (27 turn or a 19 turn motor)', and what's your opinion for a newbie racers gear?

Thanks guys!!

We had nine guys running in the electric class yesterday at Tinley, so there definitely is some good racing to be had with your electric cars.

Up until now, it's been a 'run what you brung' class for electric, as long as you can make the 5 minute race duration. But with this many guys starting to show up, and some really good racers in the class now, there is starting to be talk between the electric racers about deciding on a motor rule. One of the guys suggested yesterday that the electric class be a 19 turn spec class. Those motors are pretty inexpensive and still fast enough to be fun. I think it's a great idea, but I'm not sure if everyone will jump right on that bandwagon.

Since I don't race electric myself, I can't even tell you what the electric guys are running, but I can tell you that the fastest electric guy out at our track is running just as fast as the nitro guys. Only two of the nitro cars managed to run a faster lap than him, and only one nitro guy (me) managed to out-qualify him, and that was only by 2.4 seconds in a 5 minute qualifier. He's also the guy suggesting that everyone just go to the 19 turn motor to make things less expensive and more competitive.

I suggest you come on out to the track and just take a look at what the electric guys are running and talk with them to figure out what's best. They all are really nice guys and I'm sure they will be willing and able to help you out.

[Walt]

Two questions for anyone that was at Tinley yesterday:

1. Does anyone know who Daniel Arcelo is? He was racing in the electric class yesterday, and we think he went home with the #5 transponder (he was the last person to use it). If anyone knows how to get in touch with him, please let me know.

2. Does anyone know the name of the guy that showed up yesterday with the small air compressor, because he left it at the track and we'd like to get it back to him.

Thanks.

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Walt
You've already got a bottle warmer... it's called a microwave oven. What you really need is a diaper genie and a changing table. I have some friends that didn't get either of those items, and now their house always smells like dirty diapers, and their backs are all messed up from changing the baby on the floor 8 times a day.

No way, microwave doesn't cut it. Most bottle warmers have an insulated compartment to keep the bottles cold. So it's one stop shopping when you have to get up at 3 am. Trust me it sucks to walk around the house in a sleepy stupor every morning. Newborns get up every couple of hours to eat = many cold walks to the kitchen. Much easier to have every thing you need in the babies room. IMO

[Walt]

Originally posted by wrxdan
No way, microwave doesn't cut it. Most bottle warmers have an insulated compartment to keep the bottles cold. So it's one stop shopping when you have to get up at 3 am. Trust me it sucks to walk around the house in a sleepy stupor every morning. Newborns get up every couple of hours to eat = many cold walks to the kitchen. Much easier to have every thing you need in the babies room. IMO

I guess that does sound pretty nice, but I was never really bothered by walking to the kitchen to heat a bottle for 15 seconds.. I needed a minute to wake up before attempting to do anything with the baby anyway just to make sure I was actually awake. Also, the bottle warmers I saw were way slow compared to a microwave, so the time spent walking to the kitchen was made up for by the super fast heating you get from a microwave.

I'm SO glad that our baby is sleeping through the night now... man is that nice. You don't realize how much you need sleep until you don't have it for 3 months...

[wrxdan]

I hear ya on that!! Just remember Howard the first 3 or so are kinda rough. But after that I bet the baby will out sleep you. My 1.5 year old goes to bed around 8 PM and can sleep to 8:30 - 9 am easy. Plus she normally doesn't wake up in the middle of the night. It's really not as bad as people say. Now the terrible 2s, that is a different story:)

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
You've already got a bottle warmer... it's called a microwave oven. What you really need is a diaper genie and a changing table.

Who made those diaper genie and changing table...? HUDY? or from Serpent...? Standard or aftermarket...? Does that come with "THE FIX"...?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.............NO. not now......I still have to paint the room for the baby.....and those poster, wall paper....etc.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
No way, microwave doesn't cut it. Most bottle warmers have an insulated compartment to keep the bottles cold. So it's one stop shopping when you have to get up at 3 am. Trust me it sucks to walk around the house in a sleepy stupor every morning. Newborns get up every couple of hours to eat = many cold walks to the kitchen. Much easier to have every thing you need in the babies room. IMO

Sounds like the new DUAL CHAMBER pipe from AE....now, who stole WHOS ideas....

P.S. when are you guys willing to stop by my place and give me a "NEW PARENT shopping list 101" lesson.....?

[Hanibel]

1) Diaper Genie - only aftermarket part needed is one of those stick on air fresheners
2) Multiple diaper bags - one for each car/person
3) spare diapers that you hide (so you don't run out), forget about and then find 5 years later when the kid is going to school
4) a hobby - for both of you

The last one helped the most for us with the first one. We would trade off sundays then we could each do what we wanted. Doesn't work really well the first 3-4 weeks but it helps in the long run.

Now if you have a second child 14 months after the first, then your life is over for about 5 years. Two kids in diapers, one mobile, the other doesn't sleep. Then there is no time for anything

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Who made those diaper genie and changing table...? HUDY? or from Serpent...? Standard or aftermarket...? Does that come with "THE FIX"...?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.............NO. not now......I still have to paint the room for the baby.....and those poster, wall paper....etc.

I've got the Hudy diaper genie, but I hear the Serpent one is good too... LOL...

I guess we need a new thread... perhaps we should get this one back to RC.

Does everyone realize how darn lucky we were yesterday at Tinley regarding the weather? We had a light sprinkling of rain that lasted for about 5 minutes and never was enough to loosen up the track. My father (who often comes to the races to watch) left just before our mains started to go to a car show at Bettenhausen Dodge, not more than 2 miles from our track, and he said it was pouring so hard that you couldn't see but a few feet in front of the car. He turned around and came back to the track, and we had clear skies. I guess sometimes you just get lucky. It really turned out to be a beautiful day yesterday for racing.

[Nexus]

Kenji:

if you plan to run electric at tinley and want to be competive....

right now from talking to kitt, rutt, euge, ect....the top guys are running 10-12 turn mod motors, 3300nimh batts, and foam tires.

running mods + foams can get expensive though and the wear on the mod motor comms can be brutal...needing alot of comm cutting with a lathe.


to even things out and keep cost down the best thing to do would be to make a limit on motors. 27T stockers would be a little slow for such a wide open track like Tinley. Kitt suggesting the 19T only would be perfect. The cost isn't that much but the speed is much better then a 27T.

if there are plans to run a 19T only I would also decided whether to run foams or rubber tires. most if not all tracks that have a big turnout for electric won't let foams run against rubber tires.


the electric class is definitely just as fast as nitro...without all the mess.

if you show up to tinley just track down some of the fast electric guys and compare their set-ups.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
Kenji:

the electric class is definitely just as fast as nitro...without all the mess.


They give up a little speed on the straightaway but seem to make that up through the infield. Since the electric cars are just as fast, plus cleaner, about the only drawback is the run time. I always feel bad when the electric guys only run their 5 minute main and then marshal for a 10 or 15 minute nitro main.

Doesn't anyone make 'quick change' battery setups for touring cars that would allow battery changes about as fast as a nitros refuel? I know that in the STORM oval series, they use pit stops for electric, but I don't know how quick they can change batteries... I do know that pit stops are little competitions, as you can loose or gain position in the pits.

If you guys had some quick change battery packs and wanted to run a 10 or 15 minute main like the nitro guys, I'd be OK with that... it's only fair. For now though, the electric guys should just try to decide on a motor rule.

Oh, and I'm not 100% positive about this, but I think that Rutt was running a 19T motor yesterday and was keeping up fine. Don't quote me on that, I'll have to check next time I see him.

[Euge]

Yeah, I agree. Sunday turned out to be perfect, except for the 5 minutes I had to cover and hide from the drizzle.

I had a ton of fun racing electric, mod foams to be exact. Never tried the foams before on the electric.

I'd be up for a 19T class, but like walt said, I'm afraid not everyone is going to do it.

[Walt]

I won't be around next week, but why don't you have Tony call all the electric guys up to the scoring table to talk about the 19T class. Maybe someone can bring a sample motor and run some laps with it to show the other guys. I don't think we'll get much resistance to the 19T motor rule. We could have a 'grace period' and then make it a requirement. We could even 'stock' a few of those motors at the track (or Albert could) so if guys show up and don't have one, they could just buy one there.

If you don't talk about it this next weekend, I'll call a meeting before the racing starts the following week when I'm back.

Did anyone notice the lap time calling I was testing out during the practice session before racing started? It's a new feature in Alycat (the race software we use). I'm going to try to do that every week from now on... basically, if you have a personal transponder in your car, once you're registered in the computer any lap you turn out on the track will result in your lap time being called out every time you cross the line. So you can actually tell if different lines around the track or different set-ups are helping or hurting. I thought it was pretty cool.

Until I can figure out a way to make this 'automatic', if you want to have your lap times called out during practice just tell me that when you come to me to put your name in the computer. Right now, I have to add each driver to the 'practice' session manually, but it's not that difficult to do.

[Euge]

Originally posted by Kenji
knowing my driving skillz are poor would it be better for me to stick with a stock motor or a mild mod like a 17, and just a high torque servo if I race at Tinley? I'm gonnna need to learn how to drive and I'm assuming that just going fast in a straight line has nothing to do with racing at Tinley.

My son has a TC3 and we installed a 12T. I'm thinking it may even be too much motor for him if we race at tinley.

So....what do you think? What are the racing classes at Tiney? ls there such a thing as "stock touring car (27 turn or a 19 turn motor)', and what's your opinion for a newbie racers gear?

Thanks guys!!

I raced electric yesterday at tinley and I used a 13T single, so I don't think at 12T would be too much. The track seems pretty wide open to me. I don't really have a high torque servo, and I'm fine. I have a JR Racing Z590 servo which has got 80 oz*in of torque and sells for just under $40.

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
a "NEW PARENT shopping list 101" lesson.....?

Howard,

Take it from me, New born babies 3x's,

Lesson 1 you can never be totally prepared. No you cannot download setup specs. for 1/10 scale people. Just make sure they have 10 finger and 10 toes.

Lesson 2: Midnight feedings, teething, daipers and terrible 2s' are just like a TQ they are only temporary.

Lesson 3: Just finish the race, when they get older hopfully they can pit for you or they will be racing against you.

Forget the Daiper Genie, Jewel bags tied tight work just as well, just empty the trash every morning and evening.

Rex

[Rookie Solara]

http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ntc3/rc-room01.jpg

A year from now...........I am sure I will hear the song "MEMORY" when I see this picture again...........

Thanks for all the Baby tutorial.........I am sure I will start teaching the "Junior Solara" how to lean the high-end and low-end needle when he/she start teething....forget RICHEN the needle, daddy is "NEED FOR SPEED".....

Walt..........I thought you guys will cancel the race after the forst heat 2 weeks in a row......when I was leaving ELMHURST around 11:45am, it was pouring hard already.....then around 1:00pm till 4:00pm in downtown Chicago, while I was having A LOT OF FUN driving the other half and my mother around downtown so they can shop at stores like TIFFANNY and LOUIS VUTTON and look for parking, it was a WATER FALL in DT Chicago.......I just can't believe you guys can race the whole day and have just a little sprinkle at Tinley.....

[Walt]

Yep, we got really lucky yesterday. While we were racing in some darn nice weather, just a mile away they were building an ark.

[Nexus]

walt.

i have seen a few set-ups in electric TCs to run at endurance races...

swapping out batts using deans plugs in a TC3 wouldn't be that bad but still not faster then a quick fuel splash for a nitro.

there is a way to do a "contact" type set-up for batteries where there are no plugs or soldering needed but that would mean altering some of your battery packs. this way works well in endurance races cause you can just slap a new pack in and the '+' and '-' just hit a contact inside your car.


the slowest part would actually be taking the body off and on for the pit stop....hmmm would be interesting to try and run the 10min main vs. the nitro's.

[Euge]

Originally posted by Walt
I won't be around next week, but why don't you have Tony call all the electric guys up to the scoring table to talk about the 19T class.

Sounds good, unfort I probably won't be there this weekend. If it doesn't come up this weekend, I can bring it up the following weekend.

[Hanibel]

Thats what a call a great hobby area. I think I will copy that picture and hope that one day I will be that organized.

[Euge]

Originally posted by Walt
I always feel bad when the electric guys only run their 5 minute main and then marshal for a 10 or 15 minute nitro main.


How about the electric guys marshall for 5 minutes then the nitro guys are all on their own for the last 5-10 minutes?
heheheheh jk

yeah, I'm not sure how the 'quick change' batteries would work.
I'm not sure how the motors would hold up in 10 minute heats. We'd probably have to gear down a lot to keep them from overheating. I'm not sure how the STORM guys do it.

Originally posted by Walt
Oh, and I'm not 100% positive about this, but I think that Rutt was running a 19T motor yesterday and was keeping up fine. Don't quote me on that, I'll have to check next time I see him.

I was talking to Rutt and I'm pretty sure he wasn't running a 19T. He told me that Kitt (in the past) ran a 19T and kept up with his 10T just fine, that the 19T had much smoother power than his 10T. But then again, I'm not 100% positive either.

[Nexus]

euge.

i don't think the electric should have any problem running for 10-15 mins....with conservative gearing like you said.

Peak Racing ran a 13x2 at the 4 Hour Tamiya race...they only swapped the motor out after 2 hours or running...woah!

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Hanibel
Thats what a call a great hobby area. I think I will copy that picture and hope that one day I will be that organized.

Thanks.....it used to be a empty room, but with $150 of parts and labor, it is my RC room with full internet access (net ready but no money for DSL yet..) Computer, AC, carpet, TV, Coffee machine, microwave...........all I need is a small portable JOHN, then I can retire there....(my wife usually tell me to sleep there and don't even bother to come back up....

The counter top is the most expansive...8' x 3' deep for like $50.

I think I am lucky enough to have a space to do my RC, but mine is NO WHERE near a real RC shop.........cause I think it is stil leak of electronic tools............you want to see real RC shop, take a look at WALT'S shop, that is a real RC shop.

[kakolitoy]

We will miss you on and off the track!!!


Racing, hanging out, and all of the above!!! I just suggest that you just close that room and open it again when you get a chance.

Remember a racer will always be a racer. Its in your blood this hobby will hunt you down somewhere down the road. Unless, you start another hobby or really busy being a "Daddy," and racing will be just a once in a while thing. I saw a lot of racer race their Dad, the problem is the Son was a better driver than their father!!! :)

Hopefully, this situation for you is just temporarily. However, for us we need to move on and try get to the top of our peak. I am pretty sure all of us here are need for speed.

[HauntedMyst]

Rookie,

I think you are jumping the gun on the whole retiring business. Yeah you'll need a few weeks or month way but you are going to also need time away for your own sanity. Babies only consume your life if you let them and yeah, they should be your first priority but you still need time to do your own thing.



Originally posted by wrxdan
I hear ya on that!! Just remember Howard the first 3 or so are kinda rough. But after that I bet the baby will out sleep you. My 1.5 year old goes to bed around 8 PM and can sleep to 8:30 - 9 am easy. Plus she normally doesn't wake up in the middle of the night. It's really not as bad as people say. Now the terrible 2s, that is a different story:)

My son was a nightmare. He didn't sleep through the night for 6 months and then they wouldn't sleep without us for 3 more years. The terrible twos are actually a riot when you realize what they are doing and why they are doing it. It makes for some pretty good laughs especially when they are animated about it. My wife and I had a hard time keeping a straight face sometimes.

[kakolitoy]

I am just wondering.

Do you still race nitro?

How is your novamega 5p-t M.S. ?

How do you like the motor?

[Euge]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
I am just wondering.

Do you still race nitro?

How is your novamega 5p-t M.S. ?

How do you like the motor?

Your questions are pretty timely. I just got done asking myself the same questions! hehehe
I only raced nitro a few times but I think I like electric better.
The novamega was super fast when i did run it. I liked it a lot, although last time out with it, I had problems getting it running without dying out.
I think I've given up running nitro, though. I'll probably sell my NTC3 since I don't see myself running it that frequently. If anyone's interested, PM me.

[Rookie Solara]

Run pan-car, and see how good you are on 19T motor and 4 cells....(I will need some help on elect issue in this winter IF I can still race RC)

[Euge]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Run pan-car, and see how good you are on 19T motor and 4 cells....(I will need some help on elect issue in this winter IF I can still race RC)

if someone gives me a pan car, I'll run it......
I'll probably do some electric off-road when I'm not doing 1/10th TC.

[Nexus]

those pan cars are to small...

having run electric and nitro at tinley i think that the racing is closer in electrics. the nitro 10/15 minute mains become more a race of attrition then anything else. the racing is rarely wheel to wheel....especially with the disparity in engines.

the electric guys follow the gridding system for the mains. in nitro it really doesn't payoff to TQ or qualify high because it's just a free for all at the start.


for a true test of drivers skill i think running a pure "spec" class would be the way to go. that way engines/motors and tires are controlled and put everyone on a level playing field.

[Rookie Solara]

But again, that is why I want to jump to the pan-car again (after 14-15 years apart)

They ran 4 cells (3300 or less) and 19T spec motor only($30 motor)......ESC is up to you but I don't think there are much advantage....foams are always PURPLE front and PINK rear, pan-cars are all the same, and they are not too many setting that you can do (compare to TC).........

For me, that is the race which is 100% about driving skills.

Car (less then $100 - used)
Batteries $150 for 3 set of 3300mah PRO MATCH
Motor $30-40
Foams $35 for a set, one set of foams run 3-4 weekend easily.
ESC $100-$200 (up to you)
Mini-servos $30-$50
Misc $50 tops

Total.....around $500 that will run you 1-2 season........not to mention, you rarely break parts on Pan-car, cause there are not much to break at the beginning.

And speed........Pan-car can top TC speed anytime and any place (well, may not be true on rough outdoor parking lot surface) and if money is not a issue, drop the brushless package and hit 55 mph in no time. (Larry from Al's hobby shop has a brushless equipped CRC carpet knift outrun a Serpent IMACT and just a bit slower then the Serpent 950)

[Hanibel]

Has anyone here run at a track where they have spec class rules?

Or have you seen them listed somewhere?

I think it would be best if we settle on some rules and then give everyone some time to get the equipment they need.

Even if the rules are from an indoor carpet spec class, we could then modify them to fit the Tinley track.

[HauntedMyst]

We tried putting together a spec class at HTOP but not a lot of people were interested in it and the car we picked didn't have foams at the time and the traction sucked. Personally, I really like the idea of a spec class locally, if for no other reason then to attract people to the hobby without whacking their wallets.

[Rookie Solara]

I think Walt will consider a SPEC class if there are enough ppl to FORM one..........however, it is all depends on the racers to do the communication, racers should draw up their RULES such as motor, batteries, bodies, tires, ESC......etc. ON the race day, it is almost impossible to have WALT to setup all the rules and enforce all the rules........again, he is also a racer, we don't really want him to be the RC police and made him running out of time for him to race..........beside, most of the ppl here still want to beat him for once.

So if ppl like Nexus, Euge, Mab_man2 or Hauntedmyst wanted to setup a SPEC class, please setup the guild line and forward to the organizer at HTOP or TP.

Again.....rules are very minor, it is the amount of ppl that actually show up that day.......we don't want to see 3 SPEC ppl and 2 MOD ppl.........cause I am sure it will ended up 1 class runs all situation.

AJ and VENTURE does run SPEC class, especially AJ, they ran SPEC class for indoor pan-cars and TC....on TC, even have sportman and modified class......(pan-car just have SPEC class only cause they have usually 25-35 ppl per weekend for just PAN CARS)

[pev942]

i like electric too they are far more reliable and alot cleaner just turn them off and throw them in the bag

i heard that in like five years the epa will out law 2 cycle engine of any form i know motor cycle guys are worried i wonder the plane and nitro guys are gonna do

[Kenji]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara


And speed........Pan-car can top TC speed anytime and any place (well, may not be true on rough outdoor parking lot surface)

Speaking of which, I picked up two pan cars, a RC10L and a bolink on ebay. I got them both running really fast in parking lots...in a straight line....but in turns they slide everywhere...they slide just accelerating on coated asphalt lots. They both have foam tires.

How do you keep them from sliding in parking lots and get some real traction? I'm thinking about going to rubber tires if I can find them.

It would seem almost impossible to actually race a pan car against a TC on an on road outdoor racetrack.

Any help would be appreciated.

[HauntedMyst]

Search ebay for capped tires, they will give you a little better traction on unprepared surfaces, however, you'll never get the kind of traction you need to race it unless you are on a prepped surface track. The whole reason TC's are so popular is because pan's couldn't get any traction for the average r/cer.

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
We tried putting together a spec class at HTOP but not a lot of people were interested in it and the car we picked didn't have foams at the time and the traction sucked. Personally, I really like the idea of a spec class locally, if for no other reason then to attract people to the hobby without whacking their wallets.

I was really intrested in the delphi idea, I was just affraid to spend the $150 and not have enough racers to make a field. It seems that the support was not there from the other racers???

But I am in favor of spec racing in general.

Has there ever been a IROC type series in RC? When you pool you money at the beginning of the year and buy X number of like cars then draw a number on race day to determine which car you run. And run a different car every weekend. So it would come down to final setup and motor/battery skills?

Lame?

[Kenji]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
Search ebay for capped tires, they will give you a little better traction on unprepared surfaces

thanks for the reply.

I've never heard the term 'capped tire"

is that a specific kinda tire? or a tread?

[Nexus]

this past winter Venture ran a Tamiya Mini cooper class...which was pretty much a spec class.

it was probably the funnest race of the day to watch.

[Hanibel]

I am not looking for Walt to run/enforce/police a Spec class. I just would like some guidelines.

From what I have found, a generic Spec class would be set up as follows:

Chassis - Any TC available
Body - Touring car
Motor -19T Spec
Tires - Rubber
Batteries - Anything you want - most run 3000 or 3300

My biggest question so far is what kind of Spec motor?
Fixed or adjustable timing?
Hand or Machine wound?
Should everyone run the same motor? - i.e.- a handout motor

In order to keep the cost down a machine wound, fixed timing motor is the cheapest.

A handout motor keeps the playing level even. But then someone has to handle the motors and do tech, and then they can't race.

Any and all suggestions would be welcome

[Rookie Solara]

Again, most of us know what SPEC class is, and they are very much like what you mentioned about, but the problem is.......how to SPREAD the word to those who show up SUNDAY when they have heavily modified stuff and "NEED FOR SPEED" type ppl...?

They don't want to leave their $100 plus motor in the bag and use the $30 hand out on and run 25 mph for the whole day......

What I am saying is...........it is all depends on the racers, they need to GETTER around and FORM a race first........then the rules, just like at HTOP, no one is interested on the spec class, then what is the point to have a spec class..........

The other way to do is..........FORCE all the racers to run the spec class, no question ask..............all racer must follow the rules or race somewhere else....

If that is the case, the race organizer will have to make the call.

Kenji............frankly, no pan-car can actually RACE against TC on the outdoor track, period, PAN CAR is design to run on smooth surface, not places like HTOP or TP, the elevations of the track are too much for the pan-car........again, "PAN" car......no suspension what so ever.......you can definitely run a very good straight line, but if you try to turn, best thing to do it is slow down ALOT..........(but usually, all those TC will pass you in no time)

I susggest you to run the pan-car at Venture, AJ or your basement. I still have my RC10L that I want to update to the L3, but not sure I want to do that or EBAY her...

http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ebay/rc10l/P0003514.JPG

[Euge]

Originally posted by Hanibel
Chassis - Any TC available
Body - Touring car
Motor -19T Spec
Tires - Rubber
Batteries - Anything you want - most run 3000 or 3300

My biggest question so far is what kind of Spec motor?
Fixed or adjustable timing?
Hand or Machine wound?
Should everyone run the same motor? - i.e.- a handout motor


I like your spec rule suggestions. I liked running on foams, but rubber tires would be cheaper for everyone.
I agree, the motor is the big thing. At Venture, they were talking about doing a 19T spec class and this is the motor they were going to use. Nexus and I already have them and they cost less than $30. It's a machine wound, adjustable timing motor.

http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/844232.asp

[Euge]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Again, most of us know what SPEC class is, and they are very much like what you mentioned about, but the problem is.......how to SPREAD the word to those who show up SUNDAY when they have heavily modified stuff and "NEED FOR SPEED" type ppl...?


If we had 15 or so electrics, then we could easily create a "19T Spec" class in addition to an "Electric" class where everything goes. People who wanted to run whatever they want can run in "Electric" and people interested in a more level playing field could sign up for the "19T Spec" class. Unfortunately, I don't think we'd have enough electrics to justify running two classes, unless Walt thought it was okay. I see the SuperNitro class with two or three cars sometimes, and I'm not sure we want to create an additional class also with only 2 or 3 cars. Walt shouldn't be responsible for teching the 19T Spec class. It would be an honor system. I guess it depends on how many electrics show up on a given day.
Having run Nitro a couple times, I also see the speed disparity in the different nitro engines. does a spec class make sense for nitro too?

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by Kenji
thanks for the reply.

I've never heard the term 'capped tire"

is that a specific kinda tire? or a tread?

Capped tires are pan car foam tires with rubber over the foam. It's not like a TC tire where you get to chose the foam insert and the outter part, they are shipped as one piece. I just searched tower and ebay and couldn't find any. I wouldn't be surprized if most manufactuers have stopped making them with the surge in TC's.


As far as spec rules go, when mab and I have discussed SPEC class, we settled on everyone running the same motor. The one we chose was the Orion Element, which I believe has fixed timing. Any track can chose to run either, but we just felt like fixing the timing was just one more thing we could control and it would be one less thing for newbs to worry about adjusting.

[Euge]

The Orion Element looks like a fine motor and you're probably right about keeping it simple with fixed timing.
I guess we should see what the interest level is like for 19T Spec. Unfort, I won't be at Tinley this weekend.

I guess a true spec class would be if everyone used the same exact motor, but what if we just specified a 19T motor class, so that people wouldn't have to go out and buy another 19T if they already had one. I guess it gives the guys with hand wound, adjustable timing an advantage, but at least we won't have the speed differentials that we currently have between guys who run stock motors versus guys who run 10T motors.

[Hanibel]

Ok, then I will list the rules here for everyone to view and then I will post them at the track on Sunday. Then we can see if there is enough demand for this type of race.

Chassis - Any TC available
Body - Touring car
Motor -Trinity Speed Gems Arcornite 19t Spec, Single Wind - $30
www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/844232.asp (http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/844232.asp)
Tires - Rubber
Batteries - Anything you want - most run 3000 or 3300

Anyone who is INTERESTED in this class let me know.
Any suggestions from the electric crowd would be appreciated.

Thanks
Dennis "Hanibel" Matl
Hanibel@comcast.net

[Euge]

I won't be there this sunday, so you can count my vote now.
I'll agree to those rules.

I'd also be okay if people wanted to run any 19T motor. I understand that takes away from a true spec class, but if people put up a fuss about how they don't want to buy that particular 19T motor, maybe leaving it open to any 19T motor would be more attractive. But yeah, I'd say if we can stick to one motor, the better off we'd be.

[Nexus]

if i get my electric tc3 up and running before summers end i agree to those rules as well :)

haunted...the problem i saw with the spec class mab was talking about running was the car. he said he wanted to run some delphi indy car or something. that's fine and all but HTOP would really be the only place to run it.


the 19T Trinity Arcornite is an excellent motor. if you don't want to mess with the timing...don't. out of the box it's plenty fast for almost all conditions. the Orion Element/Peak Dynasty are great motors as well with fixed timing.


hmmm do i have to switch back to electrics now....helol

[Rookie Solara]

Can you guys list all the 19T SPEC motors that you can find in the market...?

I don't think there are more then 5 of those (but I might be wrong)

And are you very much the same about their performance (while comparing to each other)...?

Like 20,000 Power = 90... area?

Thanks.....

[Euge]

I'm sure there are a ton of 19T motors out there. maybe too many to list.
I've never done a comparison, but I will agree that allowing people to run whatever 19T they want may take away from the idea of a spec class.

A couple of people at Venture (Brian Jucha and Kevin K) were saying how the 19T Arcornite is a excellent motor for the money. How other motors with stand up brushes and adjustable timing cost about as much as a hand wound regular mod motor.
I saw Nexus run his Arcornite and it looked really fast. I believe the Orion Element has a P2K2 endbell, so it's got laydown brushes. I'm not sure if that makes a big difference, but I think that the Arcornite is a faster motor for the same price.

[Nexus]

Peak Dynasty

Orion Element

Reedy Spec 19T Quad magnet

Trinity Arcornite


This does not include any companies like Fantom, Axiom, ect that use other companies cans.

[Nexus]

Brian Jucha...and some other sponsored guys have run alot of those motors and feel the Arcornite is the best.

[Rookie Solara]

Excellent...........for all the electric stuff, I am definitely ROOKIE.

And keep raining now.........untill the weekend.

[Hanibel]

Is the Spec 19T Quad magnet available yet?

I have heard a late August release.

It sounds like it will be the motor to beat.

Since I race a TC3, a Reedy motor woould just finish off the package.
:)

[Euge]

I'm not sure when the quad magnet 19T is coming out.
Is it hand wound or machine wound?

We should probably keep the 19T spec class to either one motor, or at least put a price cap of about $30 on the motors to keep it competitive.

[Nexus]

i don't think it is available yet...

if i remember right it is being sold with a machine would armature but you can buy a handwould armature from reedy.

euge...harder to cap price since every store/website sells these things for different prices.

maybe to start out just have people agree on any 19T motor...that way if you already own one you don't have to get a new one.


TC car
190mm TC body
19T motor
rubber tires

[mab_man20]

Man, i missed a lot!

Spec class: I also like the idea of a spec class, but i will only be running nitro at tinley when i finally get my lazy but down there. As for rules, i would suggest:

Any TC, and TC body

Pick a single motor so you dont have motor wars. The down side of the elements and machine wound 19T is that one Element motor can be significantly faster than another one simply based on the windings so if someone buys a bunch of them they will have a better motor and thus defeating the idea of cost cutting. On the other hand a hand wound is more expensive for each motor, but each motor will be more similar.

Run any battery (dont limit it to just 3000 and 3300) lots of people still really love the 2400, and for a spec class they may be the best way to go because of their punch.

Rubber tires are a must.

[Walt]

Originally posted by pev942
i like electric too they are far more reliable and alot cleaner just turn them off and throw them in the bag

i heard that in like five years the epa will out law 2 cycle engine of any form i know motor cycle guys are worried i wonder the plane and nitro guys are gonna do

I deal a lot with the EPA (engine control system designer). The EPA doesn't outlaw any particular type of engine. They set emissions standards, and if a particular type of engine can't meet those standards, then they might as well of banned it. 2-stroke engines fit into that catagory of 'might as well just ban them'. However, emissions rules are specific to the application, not the engine. Lawn-mowers meet different rules than do passenger cars or light trucks or boats or trains, etc. I don't see the EPA coming after RC any time soon. The emissions from RC engines just too small, besides, we're already an 'alternative fueled engine' (alchohol), which they really like.

Long before they go after RC engines, they will have to deal with 'racing' engines in real cars, which often still run leaded fuel, and as a much more popular hobby, causes much more emissions.

[Rookie Solara]

NITRO is the way to go..........electric is just for WINTER and fill in.

Walt, I just received the car today (I think it is in my front door)...if I HAPPENED to be at Tinley this SUNDAY (need lots of help), I will show you the SB.

Oh, about the WORLD challenge...........I heard Frank is going to put the R40 into the Mod Touring class and allow running with the FOAM, and I think you should (we should) get a R40 so you can actually DOMINATE the whole Nitro scene in HPI.....(at least in state, you know there is a Japanese team coming to the WORLD and I don't have to say much about them...)

[Euge]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
NITRO is the way to go..........electric is just for WINTER and fill in.

It's all good. To each their own. Nitro wasn't nearly as fun to me as I thought it would be. Back to electric! :D

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
It's all good. To each their own. Nitro wasn't nearly as fun to me as I thought it would be. Back to electric! :D

I don't care what anyone races, as long as they race at Tinley. (just kidding HTOP).

Howard:

I won't be racing this Sunday. My wife and I are planning a long weekend vacation (leave Friday, back Monday type of thing). I will be out of town. Tony will be runing the races on Sunday, and I'm sure he'll do a fine job. I'll have to take a look at the new car next week... either that, or I stop by your house on the way home today and take it while you are still at work.

Seriously though, if you can only race this weekend OR next weekend, wait a week so you can be there when I'm there. If you can make both weeks, that's even better.

As for the HPI Challenge, I'm still debating to race or not. If I race, it will be a very long time that I will be out there. And the rules are strange still. They say only HPI or 'Hot Bodies' option parts allowed. Does that mean that I have to take out my aftermarket steering bell cranks and servo saver because they are not made by HPI or Hot Bodies? They say there will be 'hand out' tires, but does that mean I have to bring along a whole bunch of inserts and rims to mount them on?

Also, I hate the thought of being without all my stuff that I can't bring along on a plane (my table, chair, many of my tools, tent, starter box, whatever else). I have not traveled to a race via plane since the Sept. 11th stuff happened, so I don't know what it's going to be like for sure, but it's probably pretty bad.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Euge
It's all good. To each their own. Nitro wasn't nearly as fun to me as I thought it would be. Back to electric! :D

I understand.............cleaning 2 nitro cars after races are NOT FUN at all..........too bad I cannot be like WALT, he can care the less about the look of the race and ignore all the dirt for like.....what.....several years...?

Look at those 2" plus dirt on his SNRS4 and NTC3.............Yuck.

[Nexus]

"... i know motor cycle guys are worried...."

not to many onroad motorcycle guys are worried because there really aren't any 2stroke street bikes left...maybe with the exception of Aprilia. offroad bikes and atv's you'll see more 2strokes but even that is changing...660 Rapter, YZ250F, 450F, CRF250s, ect.


"..NITRO is the way to go..........electric is just for WINTER and fill in."

rookie...it's not the cleaning. i think it's the big dispairity in engines used at the local level. atleast with electrics the classes are separated...stock, mod, spec....that makes for better racing.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I have not traveled to a race via plane since the Sept. 11th stuff happened, so I don't know what it's going to be like for sure, but it's probably pretty bad.

If we are crazy enough...........I can hear "ROAD TRIP"!!!!!!!!

DRIVE..............

I think you can find out more by posting at that Hobby ppl site (like the Michigan race forum) and ask Frank or Darrek....etc about the WORLD rules.

I heard ppls are already racing R40 at the next HPI challenge, and HPI will put it into the MOD CLASS..........and all those RS4 will be absolite....

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Nexus
rookie...it's not the cleaning. i think it's the big dispairity in engines used at the local level. atleast with electrics the classes are separated...stock, mod, spec....that makes for better racing.

Nexus....your OS 12 TR rippes man, you beated me at least 2 times this year........do you think your NTC3 is any slower then those NOVA ROSSI engine guys like me...? I can definitely for sure if you are running a HPI 15FE engine vs my Nova Mega 3 port.....that is too much of a different, but any engine around $150 (TR, MR-12 MT-12...etc) are really neck to neck compare to 5 port or even 7 port....(at least in TINLEY)...the straight away may be able to see the different, but we are running ROAD COURSE here, not drag racing.

Nitro and elect are the same, but eleclric has more LEVEL for ppl to choose from (10T, 19T, spec or mod....)........and in nitro, it is either ROAR legal or outlaw.

And look at Walt........give me a $400 JP NR-12 5 port Turbo engine, I garantee myself I still won't able to beat his $150 MT-12.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
I understand.............cleaning 2 nitro cars after races are NOT FUN at all..........too bad I cannot be like WALT, he can care the less about the look of the race and ignore all the dirt for like.....what.....several years...?

Look at those 2" plus dirt on his SNRS4 and NTC3.............Yuck.

Dirty cars win races... that's my motto.

Hey, on another note, I started discussing tire wear with Frank and Tony and a few others last week (and on the NTC3 thread). I hate tires that wear unevenly. I spent the beginning part of this racing season trying to figure out the combination on my NTC3 that would wear tires evenly, and I think I've got it now. I assumed that everyone does this, but I guess not. Most people I talk to wear their rear tires down much faster than the front... do all of you agree with that?

With my current setup and driving style, my front tires wear at nearly the exact same rate as the rear tires. I adjust the camber to the track each week to get each tire to wear evenly inside to outside edge, and I rotate the tires from left side to right side between races. I don't own a tire truer or a set up board and never need them.

Am I just strange here or what? Anyone else out there make it a priority to have even tire wear, or just me?

BTW, I'm leaving for vacation now, so I probably won't see any responses to this question or anything else until next Tuesday... I hope you all have fun racing this weekend... maybe I should bring with my car and find a track in Mississippi... wife would love that I'm sure...

[Rookie Solara]

That is the first thing I know when I started TC like 4 years ago on the Serpent...........and here is my investigation.

(1) Rear tires shore are lower then front, so rear tires wear faster then the front tires are given.

(2) TC need more trackion at rear, more power are transfer to rear then front (unless your are running the Tamiya FWD versoin), and of course, ppl like us always like to cut corner, so we use 37 rear and 40 front foams to prevent "Fish tail".....

To keep all 4 tires run evenly or at least CLOSE to even....try use the same shore all around (like Barry Baker or other team driver did).....but of course, you need to setup your car EVERYDAY on EVERY TRACK at EVERY TIME and you must know alot about shocks, oils, camber, caster, toe, sway bar, roll center.....etc.

For me, I am far from getting 4 even tires wear in one full day of race, but from my last set of foams, (40 front adn rear all around).....all I have to do is drive a little bit more carefull at the corner, the rest of the time, car is on rail......(most of the time is at the 3rd heat and the main, morning time is a little be slippy due to cooler track temperature)...nt rear tires are just 3mm less then the front foams after 3 heats and a 10 minutes main.

[wrxdan]

What time is track setup at HTOP tomorrow?

Dan

[wrxdan]

All this talk about winter 1/12 racing has got me thinking of off season indoor. Does anyone know if Venture is running TC indoor on saturday this coming winter season? They did last year.

Dan

[Euge]

Yes, they will be running indoor carpet this winter. However, right now they don't even run outdoor onroad anymore, because they've had such a good turnout for offroad.

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, I saw their schedule and realized that all the weekend are OFF ROAD only..........and I thought they are typo.

I think Walt and other must push the schedule of releasing the OFF-ROAD this time before it is too late, but I think that will happen next year most likley.

WRXDAN.......if you want a pan-car, take mine....(I mean borrow) add your elect items and race....

Any chance to rain tomorrow.....? at HTOP?

[wrxdan]

So venture will be on Sat. again? I ask because I remember someone say that venture alternates the winter tc between saturday and sunday every year. I could be wrong.

It was fun last year. And no pan-car for me, those guys are too good I would just get in the way:D


10% chance of rain at HTOP, but what do the weather people know anyway.

[Euge]

I'm not sure which day (sat or sun) will be indoor carpet racing this winter. I just know they're going to do it.

This is the board for Venture:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11258&perpage=30&pagenumber=57

[Nexus]

http://cnn.heavyplasma.com/www/cnn/2003/NEWS/08/04/world/560375index.html

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Nexus
http://cnn.heavyplasma.com/www/cnn/2003/NEWS/08/04/world/560375index.html

FAKE!!!!!!!:p

[Euge]

hehehehehehhe
it almost had me fooled!!!!

[Rookie Solara]

Me too.........it looks so real.

Just cannot imagine they could not MAKE any money with those 30% mark ups...

[Nexus]

helolol

:P

[Dropkicked]

WAAAAAAA


It's been so long since I raced I honestly don't even know where my Impact is. It's in the house somewhere, but not sure where. 60 hours a week at work plus my son and dog, are keeping me away.

I'll get back out some time before the end of summer.

Drop

[Rkmori]

Rookie,

Earlier today (at HTOP) you told me what set-up gages will work well with the R40. I cannot remember who the Mfg. was. Who make it???? and who might have it LHS or online??

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Rookie,

Earlier today (at HTOP) you told me what set-up gages will work well with the R40. I cannot remember who the Mfg. was. Who make it???? and who might have it LHS or online??

Rex: This is the one.....and it is from Team Integy.

Integy Setup system (http://integy.automated-shops.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=170&p_catid=11&sid=4wSJJh0m8MXLEeL-59103471881.cc)

http://www.sslorder.com/Shop/Images/speedtechrc/imageC22305.jpg

You can get that from Al's or online like here

Speedtecrc online store (http://64.70.208.72/speedtechrc/75.html)

They have the whole setup system alone, or the system with the carrying case.....range from $55.00 to 65.00. If you want to do the TC thing right, this is one of the TOOLS that you must have.

Also get yourself a good set of wrentch, not sure you have that for your RS4 2 before or not.

See you in 2 weeks and your R40....really want to take a test drive.

http://users.rcn.com/arsa/ntc3/setup/P0003530.JPG

[Rkmori]

That is a total awsome looking set-up system, I need to watch you set-up a car so that I may use my set-up board more effectively.

Pretty soon we will be seeing baby food jars full of part on your work bench.....:D

[xxx mike]

Originally posted by Walt
I don't care what anyone races, as long as they race at Tinley. (just kidding HTOP).

Howard:

I won't be racing this Sunday. My wife and I are planning a long weekend vacation (leave Friday, back Monday type of thing). I will be out of town. Tony will be runing the races on Sunday, and I'm sure he'll do a fine job. I'll have to take a look at the new car next week... either that, or I stop by your house on the way home today and take it while you are still at work.

Seriously though, if you can only race this weekend OR next weekend, wait a week so you can be there when I'm there. If you can make both weeks, that's even better.

As for the HPI Challenge, I'm still debating to race or not. If I race, it will be a very long time that I will be out there. And the rules are strange still. They say only HPI or 'Hot Bodies' option parts allowed. Does that mean that I have to take out my aftermarket steering bell cranks and servo saver because they are not made by HPI or Hot Bodies? They say there will be 'hand out' tires, but does that mean I have to bring along a whole bunch of inserts and rims to mount them on?

Also, I hate the thought of being without all my stuff that I can't bring along on a plane (my table, chair, many of my tools, tent, starter box, whatever else). I have not traveled to a race via plane since the Sept. 11th stuff happened, so I don't know what it's going to be like for sure, but it's probably pretty bad.

Walt, if you want to take all your stuff with you, just get some really strong double or tripple walled boxes and send everything to your hotel room in FedEx ground. I had to do it when I flew to OKC and wanted to race offroad on thier dirt tracks. I think I spent about 50 bucks each way shipping my stuff, but it all got there without damage and it all got back home without damage.

[xxx mike]

HPI challenge MI track

[wrxdan]

uh-oh someone committed a bozo no-no.

[Dropkicked]

I still have 5 or 6 of the integy setups w/case


Standard wheel nuts $65

standard & Metric Wheel Nuts $70

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by wrxdan
uh-oh someone committed a bozo no-no.

Just say I don't want RCCA deleted this post, so I have to do something about........I have no problem with the picture, but it is just not a good idea to post it here.

Dropkicked............guess what I got in my RC car collection...?

[Dropkicked]

what?

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Dropkicked
I still have 5 or 6 of the integy setups w/case


Standard wheel nuts $65

standard & Metric Wheel Nuts $70


Day late and dollar short, I just ordered my from speedtachrc......!@#$%@$##!..........With no case......

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Dropkicked............guess what I got in my RC car collection...?

Did the devil make you do it.........

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Did the devil make you do it.........

There are so many evil devil in this world....and some how, they are all playing RC and somehow I have the luck to know ALL of them (no rex, I didn't get myself the R40 yet, but saw one opened up yesterday at Al's to check it out......and it is..........







super NICE..................) (do you think I can borrow your R40 for...let say, this summer...?) LOL

[Hanibel]

Well, after talking to most of the electric racers this past Sunday it looks like we have a split on a 19T class. So below is how I would like to run the Spec class.

Rules:
Chassis - 10th scale
Body - 190mm
Motor - 19T
Batteries - 6 cell
Tires - yes


Since this is a new concept at Tinley, and many people have invested in other types of racing, the only strict rules will be using a 6 cell battery and a 19T Spec motor. If someone wants to race Spec but only has a Ferrari body I don't want to exclude them. Same goes for tires - foam or rubber - use what you have.

Race day:
Hopefully we can get 10 total electric racers each Sunday. Then as long as we have 4-5 who want to run Spec we can have our own race. If however, there are only 7-8 total racers I think we can all race together and just pull the Spec results from the full race results.

Let me know how this sounds. My goal is to work out the kinks this year so that we can race a real Spec class in 2004.

Thanks for reading
Dennis "Hanibel" Matl

[Rkmori]

Does anybody know what the max pixel res. allowed to post pics on the forum??

[Walt]

I wish I was around this Sunday to help you electric guys pull together to make up some rules, but it sounds like you did a decent job on your own.

I still haven't managed to get in touch with Tony... so, how did the racing go on Sunday? I hear from my parents (who live near there) that the weather was nice. I hope everyone had a good time. I'm looking forward to getting back out there this Sunday.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Does anybody know what the max pixel res. allowed to post pics on the forum??

If you are using the RCCA space, it is not that big....something less then 50K, and those pictures you see from my thread, I am using my own ISP space to hyperlink the pictures, so if you have the bandwidth, I can post a full size poster that is taller then you....LOL

Upload to your own ISP space is the best thing to do....others, might not let you hyperlink at all (like Yahoo and Imagestation...)

[Euge]

yeah, it'll take a while to work out the kinks.

There's a huge diff between cars that run rubber and those that run foam....but I guess we can see how it goes...

[Hanibel]

Yeah, I know that the cars hook up different and there is the wear difference. But, some people only have foam tires. And at least for the remainder of this year we will allow both.

I think that by the end of this race season we should have a real good grasp on what rules work and which ones need to be changed.

I won't be at the track this weekend, so if anyone has any questions they can email me or leave it on this board.

Thanks

Dennis "Hanibel" Matl
Hanibel@comcast.com

[wrxdan]

After reviewing the new budget I need to pick a hobby:confused: No more messing with the WRX and RC at the same time. So I need to choose only one. This is tough. My WRX warranty is almost up. Which is good and bad. It's good because I won't feel like I'm voiding my warranty by modding. It's bad because the more HP you make the more stuff you break. Cough cough tranny:p

I was thinking on selling the WRX and getting a small PU, but I would lose $$$ if I got rid of the WRX now. Soooo.. I giving my self one week to decide one which hobby to keep.

Thoughts?

[Walt]

Now then, what kind of an answer do you think you're going to get from this forum???

I drive a vehicle that has a Kelly Blue Book value of 'zero', so I think you know how I feel on this subject: RC all the way... safer, takes no space in the garage, much easier to work on, much less expensive, can't get hurt, and most importantly (to me at least), you can actually be competitive in RC. There will always be someone spending more money on his 'real' car, and in the end, it mostly is a competition of who can spend the most money, especially if you are just drag racing. I have enough 'fun' money to be competitive in R/C, but not nearly enough to be competitive in just about any form of 1:1 racing. For less than $1000/year you can be very competitive in R/C. I know of no form of 1:1 racing that takes place every weekend that will cost you anywhere near that little of an amount... tires alone will cost you more than that.

But, having said that, I've known a few guys who had to make this same decision, and they all went for the 1:1 car, so if I had to place my bet, I'd say you'll stick with the real car but have no good reason for doing it.

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Walt
Now then, what kind of an answer do you think you're going to get from this forum???

I drive a vehicle that has a Kelly Blue Book value of 'zero', so I think you know how I feel on this subject: RC all the way... safer, takes no space in the garage, much easier to work on, much less expensive, can't get hurt, and most importantly (to me at least), you can actually be competitive in RC. There will always be someone spending more money on his 'real' car, and in the end, it mostly is a competition of who can spend the most money, especially if you are just drag racing. I have enough 'fun' money to be competitive in R/C, but not nearly enough to be competitive in just about any form of 1:1 racing. For less than $1000/year you can be very competitive in R/C. I know of no form of 1:1 racing that takes place every weekend that will cost you anywhere near that little of an amount... tires alone will cost you more than that.

But, having said that, I've known a few guys who had to make this same decision, and they all went for the 1:1 car, so if I had to place my bet, I'd say you'll stick with the real car but have no good reason for doing it.


I see your point. BUT with 1:1 cars I'm really only competitive with myself. I don't plan to "race" the WRX. Maybe a few autox. Working on the car is 3/4 the fun. This is the only time in my life where I haven't had 2 cars. One to mod and one to drive.

RC is very addicting. Once your in it's hard to stop, it always comes back for ya.

[Rkmori]

Tough decision.....I watched Mack from HTOP race his 2003 911 over in Maywood last sunday.....yes very addicting....I can very easily get into that hobby......I just don't have $100G's to sink into a car. I'm lucky to afford the new R40. But also keep this in mind when you race your insurance dose not cover the car, cheaper to fix the R/C after hitting a board....than the WRX after a concrete wall......and what ever you save from not paying into the 1:1 car you can buy many R/C's......Hey I say go for the Quantity.....

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Tough decision.....I watched Mack from HTOP race his 2003 911 over in Maywood last sunday.....yes very addicting....I can very easily get into that hobby......I just don't have $100G's to sink into a car. I'm lucky to afford the new R40. But also keep this in mind when you race your insurance dose not cover the car, cheaper to fix the R/C after hitting a board....than the WRX after a concrete wall......and what ever you save from not paying into the 1:1 car you can buy many R/C's......Hey I say go for the Quantity.....

No walls in autox. But very hard on tires and running gear in general.

[Rkmori]

Originally posted by wrxdan
No walls in autox. But very hard on tires and running gear in general.

True ..but no matter which way you cut it it's $$$$$$....

[Rkmori]

Rookie,

It's done.....!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

The R40 fits my box NP just had to move one of the stops........ now if I only had a flat pack, I'd be on my way to TP tonight....

Chek out the HPI R40 forum.....pics posted there!!!

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Rkmori
Rookie,

It's done.....!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

The R40 fits my box NP just had to move one of the stops........ now if I only had a flat pack, I'd be on my way to TP tonight....

Chek out the HPI R40 forum.....pics posted there!!!

Yeah baby.....I see ya.......so you want my old pack or you want to build one or what...? Let me know....I have one old Ni-cd right now...and I have like 50 brand new 1100 mah NiMd cells so you can build it yourself......they are $2.00 each so it will be $10.00 plus PLUG............

Let me know and you can come by and pick up after work....I live 1 minute from Al's hobby shop....


Now....I need to clean my NTC3 to beat that evil R40