Chicago Racing (track info inside)

[Rookie Solara]

Well.......since HPI forum is going to a better system (or should I called it - HE_LL), I think I should start a Chicago racer/racing topic here so all the Chicago Racers can chat under this topic regarding the latest information and news......

So, post away..........anything, any ideas, and any hate mail are welcome........:D

Rookie Solara

[kakolitoy]

Pls. tell eveyone that Chicagoracers are here in the zone. If Hpi would not cooperate and the hell w/that. Chicago racers needs to comminicate so we know what is going on around us.

[kakolitoy]

I have shipment comming in the end of the month. 3 705 are sold to those 3 guys from Tinley.

[Rookie Solara]

That should be a good news to SCOTT......after they saw my NTC3, I thought they are going to Team Associate.

3 going to Serpent and 3 selling their Serpent to NTC3.

Should be fun next year.

Tony, please post on the REGION topic.....this is for TRACK owner or org.

[xxx mike]

Hihi Howard and Kakolitoy. It is Mike from Tinley Park racetrack (pink/green rs4). I am glad you guys made it over here instead of just dissapearing since HPI closed it's boards. I am not sure if any of the other guys are on here or not, if they are, I do not know thier board names. Nice to see you guys again, and hopefully this thread will explode with interest the way it was on HPI.

I can't wait till next years touring car season, but until then I am going to try racing some out at Monee on the dirt oval with Tony G. Maybe one night you guys could take a ride out and check it out. It's certainly not as fun as onroad (not even close really) but it's better then racing nothing at all is what I am thinking.

BTW, do either of you know if 5 ports are going to be legal at Tinley next year? I will ask Walt next time I hear from him, but just wondering if you guys know.

[kakolitoy]

There should be no problem using 5 port. We are not racing in Roar or Ifmar rules anyway.

It would be more fun if we could do everyhting in 200 mm and .12.
It is ok. Becuase the guys from Tinley ordered 3 Novarossi S5, and 3 serpent 705 from me. the stuff will be here in the end of the month. I am not sure if u noticed them. There the 3 big guys and they are all good freinds.

[kakolitoy]

R we writing here or regional?

[Rookie Solara]

Do it at REGIONAL

[xxx mike]

3 big guys? are you talking about those guys that always pit down at the far right end of the track? They have a black F150 crew cab, a couple RS4-3's and that maxx where the guy stops on the track to do wheelies?

I don't think I've seen a 705 yet... is that the model car that Espo was running when he stopped out a few weeks ago?

[kakolitoy]

I am sure nobody have 705 here in the US except if u r Serpent driver.

There is a big delay here in U.S. However, I have shipping coming in on second week of DEC.

I just sold 3 of those 705. This is really hot right now, and I do not want this car. I will stick w/ my pro like Espo.

[Rookie Solara]

Man......still hanging with the SERPENT...? I heard the MTX-3 is really good.......and V1RR......definitely a killer.

Afterall, no one can past me with my NTC3........

Mike.......are you still in the RS-12 engine...? I have to order them from HK now.

[kakolitoy]

I have shipment coming in two weeks.

let me know?

[Rookie Solara]

2 weeks.......? If I order today, I will get them by next Thursday......btw, it was MIKE that holding me up, I don't need no engine, I need my 3PK radio.......and some foams.

[Walt]

It looks like we've move here... that's fine with me. In case it's not obvious, this is Walt, Race Director, Chicagoland R/C Raceway.

Some stuff I want to comment on:

First, if you're looking for a place to race in the off season, I'm going to host a micro/mini-z race at the bowling alley on Sunday, November 24th, around noon. This will be a 'fun' race (and free), and will take place after our RCNASCAR organizational meeting which will start at 11am. If you're interested in running RCNASCAR oval races next year on Friday nights, come to our meeting at 11am... if you just want to run your micro/mini-z, you can come around noon.

We'll have the micro/mini-z track set up with our transponder scoring system going (and me teaching others, like Tony, how to run it for next year since I can't run all the races), and we hope people will buy some pizza and beer and watch the Bears game on the big screen (which will be in the same room as the track... cool huh?).

If there is demand for some micro/mini-z races this winter, I'll host them, so let me know.

Second, I don't see the Chicagoland R/C Raceway enforcing any draconian engine rules for Sunday touring car racing, however, we WILL have engine rules for Friday RCNASCAR races. We'll vote on it at our meeting on the 24th, but I'm proposing a $200 'claim' rule... if we want to do a rule for Sundays, I'd recommend the same thing. If you don't know what that means, it's a rule that is used in some local short track 'real' car racing... basically, you are NOT supposed to spend more than $200 on your engine... if you do, that's fine, but if another racer suspects that you spent more than $200, they can 'claim' your engine at the end of the race day for $200... you either sell your engine to him for $200, or give up all the points you earned that day. If you spent less than $200, which you were supposed to do anyway, then you shouldn't mind selling your engine for $200, because you can just take that money and buy a brand new engine with it.

Next, I heard that Espo is running for Serpent now, so I'd guess that he does have that new version.

Also, Howard, you can take a look at the results from the last race at Chicagoland R/C Raceway and see that I did indeed pass your NTC3 with my Super Nitro (what else is new?). I also managed to run just as fast as Espo with my Super on the day he raced with us (although he did leave early, so we don't know how that would have ended). Although Espo has said that he doesn't really like our racing surface, I hope he'll come out to some of our races to run with us (I also hope that we can get our surface improved, although I don't think it's THAT bad right now).

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Also, Howard, you can take a look at the results from the last race at Chicagoland R/C Raceway and see that I did indeed pass your NTC3 with my Super Nitro (what else is new?).

Oh, I am so sorry, I think I was wrong again, so SUPER NITRO with BIGGER GAS TANK "IS" considered 200m touring car afterall....... Oh, not to mention, who did tell you to loosen up a the rear diff a little so HE CAN RACE that day...? Hmmm, I forgot his name..........

What are you going to do next...........? .21 engine....? (I was kidding man.......)

[Walt]

I'm sorry to beat up on your poor little NTC3 with my big, bad HPI Super Nitro with a single speed transmission. I'm also sorry that I beat up on your poor little Impact last year at Harper, with it's bigger fuel tank, huge foam tires, big block engine, 2-speed, etc.

I don't want to hear any more excuses when I win a race, so next year I'll have a 'regular' touring car like everyone else (I just don't know which one that will be yet... probably NTC3 though, but re-engineered by me so that there are no 4-40 screws threaded into plastic... I hate that Associated still does that).

By the way Howard, can you make it out to the bowling alley with a Koyosho Mini-z? It would be cool if you did. Those are fun little cars to drive, and real evenly matched (if you leave them stock like mine), so no excuses when I beat you :-)

[Rookie Solara]

Walt.....next year, you are not the only one with NTC3, Jim, John and Neal are there as well with the team factory version.........so, who win or lose....no excuse.

And the Super Nitro..........I will do my best.

No...Winter is definitely the OFF season for me, still have exams to take and wife will never approve any race, btw, I don't have mini-z, just the ABC pocket race, a little bigger, and taller gear, so it is also not fair as well....besides, really need to get back to the house and family.

But we can still talk about the online hobby shop business......have TONY G or yourself drop me a note.

Howard

[Rookie Solara]

Walt, I need your help on the Super Nitro 2 speed clutch setting.....I have no idea what parts do I need to install the Nova Rossi engine on the HPI.....can you help?

Thanks.....Howard

[Walt]

I don't think you'll need any special parts to put the Novarossi engine into the car with the 2-speed (if you even want to use the 2-speed... I've always had better luck without it, and every time I try it, I end up pulling it right back out again).

Anyway, the 2-speed clutch bell should match up to the Novarossi engine no differently than any other engine. The only possible difference you'll need to make is to take out the 'shift point adjustment' setscrew all the way and take a look at the little spring in there. The HPI 2-speed comes with 2 springs, and you'll want the stiffer one in there for the Novarossi engine, or it will shift too soon. I want to say that the black spring was the stiffer one, but I'll have to check my instructions at home for sure, unless HPI has them online in PDF.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt........please tell me you DO have the SG crank MT-12 engine...because non of the HPI parts work on SG crank unless I custom make everything for it......

I think HPI is plug and play.............I am they required more knowledge then Serpent.

Anyhow, I think I will try to make it on 24th since I just STOLE my pocket racer from my brother, and hope I can run some laps with those Mini or Micro (my cars are slow and heavy, but just try to have fun)

And can you please bring your Super so I can take a look......I need to write some notes and start breaking in the engine.

And yes, I will as well get the single speed conversion as well......if you have any Super parts for sell, please let me know...like 1 extra set of single speed, clutch bell....etc


Check your email as well.......

Howard

[Walt]

My engines are all 'standard crank' (like O.S. I guess), so I don't know what you'll need to do for sure to get the 2-speed clutch bell on your engine. I thought you could cut the SG shaft to make it look like a normal shaft, but I'm just not an expert on that stuff.

[xxx mike]

The base of a SG shaft engine is wider than the base on a threaded engine. The stock HPI flywheel will not even make it past the SG shaft threads... I've gone through this too trying to get a SG mt-12 in my RS4. Basically, HPI does not support SG crank motors, so you will need to have the flywheel custom machined or maybe find a substitute. I have a MTX-2 flywheel that looks like it would fit in the RS4 if you repositioned the engine further forward a little.. so that might be the trick, run a different flywheel and make your own engine mounts then reposition the engine. Who knows what it will do to the weight balance, but that is the only way I know of.

All I gotta say is... HA-HA-HA-HA-HA to Howard! No T5 race for you in the super Mr. Howard.... Not like you need the power anyways! (better for us)

[kakolitoy]

I can probably help u out.

I put a nova mega serpent turbo Sg crank on Peter's RS4. If u need pic let me know. Our server will be down tommorrow, so I will send it to u Wed.

U need 3 things and might be some shims.

Wolfpack:

1. Vented flywheel

2. Motor mounts.

3. Lock nut for the flywheel (Serpent will work).

4. If the clutch bell is is far from the flywheel, U might need to put shims behind the collet.

Let me know if u need the pic I will send it to u wed.

[Rookie Solara]

Tony:

YES.......by not putting my Super Nitro Back to EBAY, I will need any kind of help.

I think RS4 and very much the same as the Super Nitro (for the distance)......so if you can mount the Rossi SG crank ont he RS4, I bet there is a good chance to mount it on the Super Nitro....otheriwse, I will be force to sell the T5 to JIM and get a Standard crank engine.....which I don't really want to do that.

Let me know Anthony.

[kakolitoy]

I have 3 pics for u.

This motor is a SX 12 turbo sg crank. The motor mounts I used was the stock HPI (I do not recommend this). I grind this mount I just cannot remmember how much, but the motor sit exactly on the chassis so the flywhell can crank easily.

[kakolitoy]

I hope u can see this. Vented flywheel Wolfpack works better.

Super has more playing than rs4 so S5 should work

[kakolitoy]

This motor is same size as the ff:

RS12

mt12

Rbx12t

Collari x12t

I saw a .21 super nitro, so there shoul be no problem putting a .12 in the Super.

Hope this helps

[Rookie Solara]

Well, I believe there is a chance .12 will work, but here are my question........

(1) I believed the distance from the 2-speed to the rear belt pulley on the SUPER NITRO is wider then the RS4, if that is the case, your RS4 conversion won't work in SN.

(2) What flywheel are you using......? Brand? and size......?

(3) What clutch bell are you using..........?

(4) I doubt your kits will work on RS4 because the SG crank is still like 1/2" short from the 2-speed........from everyone I've told, you MUST use the OFNA extension kits to extend the crank so the clutch bell gears can reach the 2-speed.

Now........what is the best Standard crank engine for SN...? RB? Nova Rossi (not sure those standard crank engine from Nova are fast at all)...........

:(

[xxx mike]

Howard, we know the MT-12 kicks arse and you can buy that in a standard shaft. The RB X12, MT-12 or maybe the Sirio.. nobody I have seen has run the Sirio, but many people are saying it's fast.. and you can get it with a threaded shaft. Besides, you beat us all with a CV-R. You really don't need some super high end engine in your car... seriously. Suspension setup and good Hong Kong driving SKILLZ will keep you ahead of us for a long time to come.

BTW, are you racing a TC3 still next year for 1/10 or are you racing a Serpent?

[Rookie Solara]

Mikey.....yeah, I will run the NTC3 next year, but I got the information that the NTC4 is coming.....not sure it will be totally different then this NTC3 but it worth the waiting...

I think YOU should get a real TC for next season if you want to hang with us.....even the HPI lover WALT is getting the NTC3, and that should be your sign.

And I am the only person that dropped the SERPENT and get a HPI Super Nitro JUST FOR FUN......not to mention I just got that car and created LOTS more problem then before.....stupid me:mad:

[Walt]

Howard: I'll be running either my MT-12 or Novarossi RS-12 in my Super Nitro next year. They are the same engines I've used this year. Either would suit you fine.

If I were going to buy another engine right now, and I wanted to get something a little different, I'd get one of the RB engines. I've got an RB big block .21 in my buggy, and I really like it. I'd like to give one of their small blocks a try. I think I'd still stay away from the turbo plugs though, just because those plugs are so darn expensive.

Any of the Novarossi built engines are a good bet, in my opinion, but there are some lemons out there (my first RS-12 was a piece of garbage until I replaced the piston and sleeve, and it's still not nearly as good as the other two Novarossi-derived small block engines I've owned).

On a similar note, I was looking at the RB Concept line of engines last night, and noticed that they have engines with the 'normal' crankshaft and 'Serpent' crankshaft, which I expected, but their 5-port .12 engines have what they call either the 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft. So, does anyone know what a 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft looks like?

I thought maybe they were talking about the type of glow plug, but they clearly have another spot where they list the type of glow plug. Only their 5-port engines are listed as 'turbo' crankshafts, while some of their 3-port engines are available with a 'turbo' plug but the regular crankshaft. My guess is that the 'turbo' crankshaft refers to some type of machining that is done on the counterbalance area of the crankshaft, and does not mean that the crankshaft looks any different on the power take off end.

And, is anyone besides me sick and tired of the overuse and abuse of the term 'turbo'? A turbo is an exhaust driven super charger, period. 'Turbo' plug or 'turbo' crank don't make any sense, and why the heck does my PC have a turbo button??? It doesn't even have an engine! Why don't they just call these things what they are. And why do some Honda's I see on the road have 'Real Time 4wd' written on them? What does that mean?... now I'm just ranting (and kidding)

[Walt]

RS4 verses Super nitro, Howard:

I forgot to mention, the distance from the engine to the rear axle is the same on the RS4 and Super nitro. In fact, all the drivetrain parts are interchangable between the two cars including all the belts except the long front belt which is longer on the Super Nitro.

If the Orillo brothers could get the engine into a regular RS4, the exact same method will work for the Super. Everything back there is identical except the length of the a-arms (and dogbones).

[kakolitoy]

"So, does anyone know what a 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft looks like? " by Walt.

Walt there are some difference in how they made the crankshaft. I know for u it does not matter becuase any top end motor will work for u because of ur great experience in Rc racing.

I run the RB x.12t (5port serpent turbo crank), the way they machined the motor was a lighter than standard crank. In fact, I like writing notes in all of my engine so I know which engines is the fastest and reliable motor. Now, this motor has a new edition Modified Rody which has a lighter cranshaft (Claims faster than the serpent turbo crank). In all of the motors I own in .12 (RB x12t, Novarossi RS 12 S3, Picco, Collari x12t, Nova mega sx 12 t) they are all fast, but in my experiment Collari x12t was the fastest. I am just not sure why, this is the motor that RAy Goff use in his Kyosho V one r. I did the experiment 4 times just to make sure that my experiment is precise. I use the same car and same clutch. All motors were al new so they have the same mileage. However, I realized power is not everything unless if u r a well experienced Rc racer. I know if u do this experiment u will stick to the facts because u can really drive.

Regarding on the RS4 w/sg shaft.

The parts I use were:

stock hpi motor mounts (I machined it and grind it)

Vented flywheel

Serpent Clutch , and flywheel lock nut.

2 5/8 flanged, and 1 5/8 round bearing

Hpi 2 speed clutch bell.

That is all the parts Howard, nothing more nothing less. However, if ur not sure if u want to do this, the best way is just to sell ur S5 and just get a standard Rs12 crankshaft.

[kakolitoy]

" I doubt your kits will work on RS4 because the SG crank is still like 1/2" short from the 2-speed........from everyone I've told, you MUST use the OFNA extension kits to extend the crank so the clutch bell gears can reach the 2-speed. " by Howard.

I know its,to see it to believe it. I do not need to prove it to u because i know this car run really fast. Fast as in the car is hard to control. IF u remember Albert's motor this is the same motor. Everything I put in the car worked, even the Hpi clutch bell work for the serpent impulse clutch shoe. I still don't get it. I showed u a pic and still doubt on it. Well, I was trying to help and give u and idea that is all. Thanks for the appreciation.

[Walt]

OK, then regarding the crankshafts, it sounds like you are confirming my guess, that there are internal differences between the regular and turbo crankshafts, but externally (where we hook up our flywheel and clutch bell), they are no different. That's good to know.

Changing the subject, are any of you considering getting one of the 1/5th scale cars for next year? We started getting a good turnout of 1/5th scale guys toward the end of the year, and from what I've heard from those guys, they are planning on coming back to a lot of races next year. I'm starting to think about getting one. They are pretty cool, and look like they'd be a lot of fun to drive.

[kakolitoy]

" I doubt your kits will work on RS4 because the SG crank is still like 1/2" short from the 2-speed........from everyone I've told, you MUST use the OFNA extension kits to extend the crank so the clutch bell gears can reach the 2-speed. " by Howard.

I know its,to see it to believe it. I do not need to prove it to u because i know this car run really fast. Fast as in the car is hard to control. IF u remeber Albert's motor this is the same motor. Everything I put in the car worked, even the Hpi clutch bell work for the serpent impulse clutch shoe. I still don't get it. I showed u a pic and still doubt on it. Well, I was trying to help and give u and idea that is all. Thanks for the appreciation.

[kakolitoy]

Hey how do u do that, How did u reply only on the article I just gave u, u did not go all the way down. Which button do I need to hit?

Anyway, I was about to buy an Fg competition. The last race in Tinley changed our mind. Not to offend u, the track is not big enough for a 5th scale. The only track that close that I can run those cars is in Racine WN. I know they are a lot of fun and I get can get the best deal out there straight from Germany. I know 1/5 is cheaper than 8th scale when it comes to racing. Its just it will be traffic jam in ur track. I sold 2 8th scale from 2 guys in Tinley. I am hoping I can push more people to race w/8th scale.

Are going to fix the asphalt for next year?

[Walt]

I agree that the track is 'just barely' big enough to run 1/5th scale cars. Plus, it is only just barely big enough when I set up my 'wide' tracks (25 foot minimum track width as opposed to my 'normal' tracks, which will be 15 foot minimum track width).

Even so, the cars seemed like fun to drive, and the guys racing them said that they felt there was enough room for them to race. The bigger problem they had at that last race was the cold... they could not get their tires warmed up. In fact, even with the full 5 minutes of warm up and then the 5 minute race, they said that their tires were just barely getting up to temperature at the very last minute of the race. Since they had no traction, they couldn't get their cars to turn, and that made the track look too small for them. On warmer days, they can run the track much better.

As for the asphalt, we're still talking with the bowling alley owner about that. Here's the issues. The lot is not too bad for RC racing, in fact, although it 'looks' like it's pretty bumpy, I never really noticed any problems driving on it with my cars... none the less, it could definitely be much better. We could try to convince the bowling alley owner to repave that lot for us to have better racing, OR we can try to convince him to put down a permanent, RC racing only, paved track on his land out behind the bowling alley. Ultimately, that's what we want to see out there. See: www.linvillehobbies.com for an idea of what we want to build out back.

If we get him to repave the lot now, we're pretty much guarenteed that he's not going to pave a permanent track out back in the next couple of years, but if we just run on the lot next summer as it is, and he sees crowds of 50+ per weekend, and the promise of much more if he puts in the permanent track, we might have the permanent track by the end of next year or for the 2004 season, but only if he didn't just spend a bunch of money on a new lot just for us.

We're still working on estimates of how much these different options will cost. If anyone out there works for a paving company or has connections to a paving company, let us know.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
On a similar note, I was looking at the RB Concept line of engines last night, and noticed that they have engines with the 'normal' crankshaft and 'Serpent' crankshaft, which I expected, but their 5-port .12 engines have what they call either the 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft. So, does anyone know what a 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft looks like?

No...it is a typo, I talked to RB on their forum, if you read that page again, they double printed the TURBO twice......so there is no TURBO crank, it is standard and SG(Serpent) crank.....but both of those engine are Turbo...and yes, Turbo is Turbo plug, like their 7 port or my RS-12 T5 Turbo plug engine.......and no, there are no TURBO "TURBO" engine........

Originally posted by Walt
And, is anyone besides me sick and tired of the overuse and abuse of the term 'turbo'? A turbo is an exhaust driven super charger, period. 'Turbo' plug or 'turbo' crank don't make any sense, and why the heck does my PC have a turbo button??? It doesn't even have an engine! Why don't they just call these things what they are. And why do some Honda's I see on the road have 'Real Time 4wd' written on them? What does that mean?... now I'm just ranting (and kidding)

Yes, they should called their engine "FAST" "FASTER then normal" "Super FAST" "CRAZY Fast" instead of Turbo......because I did not see any Turbo boost, boost guage and blower mounted on those engine......go figure.

[Rookie Solara]

And yes........Anthony is correct. the "Turbo" crankshaft is different then regular crankshaft, they have some special areas cutted out for the weight and for the port issue, but I was talking about the name "Turbo CRANK"....there are no such thing is Turbo crank.....because it is a given, everyone should know the port, piston/sleeve, crankshaft of TURBO engine are slikely different the regular engine.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
[BI know its,to see it to believe it. I do not need to prove it to u because i know this car run really fast. Fast as in the car is hard to control. IF u remeber Albert's motor this is the same motor. Everything I put in the car worked, even the Hpi clutch bell work for the serpent impulse clutch shoe. I still don't get it. I showed u a pic and still doubt on it. Well, I was trying to help and give u and idea that is all. Thanks for the appreciation. [/B]

Anthony, please don't get touchy, with the pictures you posted, how can say that it was wrong or incorrect...? No way, but it MUST be something you are missing and didn't explain correctly.

This is your list.....

(1) Stock hpi motor mounts (I machined it and grind it)

(2) Vented flywheel

(3) Serpent Clutch , and flywheel lock nut.

(4) 2 5/8 flanged, and 1 5/8 round bearing

(5) Hpi 2 speed clutch bell.

Items 3, 4 and 5, I have no problem with that, those are given, nothing special.......the problem I have are the stock HPI motor mounts, did you drill new holes for the engine..? Or using the OEM 4 holes, the factory setting...? Please verify.
Then.....Vented flywheel........if you look at typical HPI flywheel, there is a OFFSET (standoff) on each one of them, you can compare them with Serpent flywheels or any other flywheels, HPI are much deeper on the stand off, and that is the PROBLEM.

From the picture, and you mentioned, those are the Wolfpack vented flywheel for .15 or .21 conversion......because .15 and .21 are LONGER on the engine body itself, that STAND OFF are not required, but again, I am using small block .12 engine, I need that stand off.........I tried the HPI flywheel, after enlarge the hole of the flywheel in order for it to slide thru the THREAD at the shaft, i have no THREAD left of the flywheel lock nut......at least, not for the Serpent type flywheel lock nut, or I can just use a 5mm locknut instead of the Serpent one, you have to open your clutch up and verify that.

On top of that, there is NO WAY the SG crank are long enough for the clutch bell, almost everyone I talked to need to use the OFAN crank extension to accomplish that....did you use that.

The reason I think the RS4 gearbox/engine dimension is NARROWER then the Super Nitro RS4 is because you didn't mention you used the high offset flywheel (like HPI one) and the OFNA clutch extension....

Take a look at my pictures between my MT-12 and the gear box, and you should know what I am talking about....you must have something forgot to mention, like spacer, o-rings.....etc.

Also, Walt said the SNRS4 is exactly the same as RS4.....if that is correct, I really need to know what was missing here..? Or my MT-12 SG crank is totally different then your SX-12...?

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed01.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed02.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed03.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed04.jpg

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Hey how do u do that, How did u reply only on the article I just gave u, u did not go all the way down. Which button do I need to hit?

At the lower right hand corner of EACH post.....there is a "QUOTE" button, use that, and you can quote the specific post/paragraphe of that specific POST.

[Walt]

Could it be that you have to use that third set of elongated engine mounting holes that are closer to the middle of the chassis? The long engine mounts you have don't look like they would allow that because they would hit that intermediate shaft mount, but the little HPI stock mounts would clear it, and were used by kakolitoy.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Could it be that you have to use that third set of elongated engine mounting holes that are closer to the middle of the chassis? The long engine mounts you have don't look like they would allow that because they would hit that intermediate shaft mount, but the little HPI stock mounts would clear it, and were used by kakolitoy.

Negative, the engine itself won't allow me to use the 3rd hole.....the front belt rear pulley on its way.

And that's why I think the wolfpack adjustable engine mount might work cause that will allow me to shift EAST/WEST direction, and that might help.

Again, you sure the distance between the engine mounting point to the 2-speed are the same between RS4 and SNRS4?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Again, you sure the distance between the engine mounting point to the 2-speed are the same between RS4 and SNRS4?

Well, I'm 90% sure... I'll double check and let you know, but I do know that I use the same exact plastic parts for both, so the only possible difference would be the location of the holes in the chassis for the engine. That 'could' be different, but I doubt it, and if that is the only difference, I would think that you can just make your own holes for mounting the engine.

[Rookie Solara]

The more I look at Tony's picture, the more I can see on that blue flywheel, I can see it is like HPI one, with a long STAND OFF......do you agree?

Yes, I want you to measure the holes that you use to MOUNT your engine (from the bottom) to the 1st gear (single or 2-speed, don't matter) and see both car are the same or not....

From what I know right now, I have only 2 solution, either SHIFT the engine closer to the 2-speed or have a LONG extension on the shaft of the engine.....no other solution else.

I am sure I am not the first one that did the SG on Super nitro, it must be something I am missing......and Wolfgang himself just mailed me a conversion (prototype) for me to try, and I will let you know.

There is a slim chance that I can keep the T5.........

Almost forgot, YES, I was looking at RB website last night and planning to get the X12T standard crank for the Super Nitro, if you remember my IMPACT, I was using the X15 worlds for that car......and believe it or not, for 2 years racing that Impact, I never touch ONE single needle setting on that car, not even the idle mixing.........if I am going to standard crank engine, RB is my only choice.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Anthony, please don't get touchy, with the pictures you posted, how can say that it was wrong or incorrect...? No way, but it MUST be something you are missing and didn't explain correctly.

This is your list.....

(1) Stock hpi motor mounts (I machined it and grind it)

(2) Vented flywheel

(3) Serpent Clutch , and flywheel lock nut.

(4) 2 5/8 flanged, and 1 5/8 round bearing

(5) Hpi 2 speed clutch bell.

Items 3, 4 and 5, I have no problem with that, those are given, nothing special.......the problem I have are the stock HPI motor mounts, did you drill new holes for the engine..? Or using the OEM 4 holes, the factory setting...? Please verify.
Then.....Vented flywheel........if you look at typical HPI flywheel, there is a OFFSET (standoff) on each one of them, you can compare them with Serpent flywheels or any other flywheels, HPI are much deeper on the stand off, and that is the PROBLEM.

From the picture, and you mentioned, those are the Wolfpack vented flywheel for .15 or .21 conversion......because .15 and .21 are LONGER on the engine body itself, that STAND OFF are not required, but again, I am using small block .12 engine, I need that stand off.........I tried the HPI flywheel, after enlarge the hole of the flywheel in order for it to slide thru the THREAD at the shaft, i have no THREAD left of the flywheel lock nut......at least, not for the Serpent type flywheel lock nut, or I can just use a 5mm locknut instead of the Serpent one, you have to open your clutch up and verify that.

On top of that, there is NO WAY the SG crank are long enough for the clutch bell, almost everyone I talked to need to use the OFAN crank extension to accomplish that....did you use that.

The reason I think the RS4 gearbox/engine dimension is NARROWER then the Super Nitro RS4 is because you didn't mention you used the high offset flywheel (like HPI one) and the OFNA clutch extension....

Take a look at my pictures between my MT-12 and the gear box, and you should know what I am talking about....you must have something forgot to mention, like spacer, o-rings.....etc.

Also, Walt said the SNRS4 is exactly the same as RS4.....if that is correct, I really need to know what was missing here..? Or my MT-12 SG crank is totally different then your SX-12...?

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed01.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed02.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed03.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed04.jpg


Hi! Howard,

Are those engine mounts Hpi stock? If they are keep it.

Now, all u need is a .21 vented flywheel (6mm). Before u say anything try it. The vented flywheel will be the spacer for the clutch bell, so the bell and the spur gears will connect. U might need some shims like what I mentioned before.

It is really hard for me if I do not see the problem infront of me.

Regarding my stock mounts: Yes they are stock HPI mounts for $4. I grined it I just cant remember how much, but I know the mounts ur using if it is HPI, it should work.

We should get together one of these days, so I can see it. I remember putting some shims behind the collet and infront of the lock nut. I have not run and touch my HPi for I think almost a year. The last time I ran it it was really fast as in I cannot control the speed. My Rs4 is really light w/o any modification, when I put this motor, it was really flying. I could see wheelies in a touring car.

BTW: just buy Ofna shims and extension for $5, we might need it. I know in my Philosophy there is nothing impossible as long as u have tools and knowledge!!!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Hi! Howard,

Are those engine mounts Hpi stock? If they are keep it.

Now, all u need is a .21 vented flywheel (6mm). Before u say anything try it. The vented flywheel will be the spacer for the clutch bell, so the bell and the spur gears will connect. U might need some shims like what I mentioned before.

It is really hard for me if I do not see the problem infront of me.

Regarding my stock mounts: Yes they are stock HPI mounts for $4. I grined it I just cant remember how much, but I know the mounts ur using if it is HPI, it should work.

We should get together one of these days, so I can see it. I remember putting some shims behind the collet and infront of the lock nut. I have not run and touch my HPi for I think almost a year. The last time I ran it it was really fast as in I cannot control the speed. My Rs4 is really light w/o any modification, when I put this motor, it was really flying. I could see wheelies in a touring car.

BTW: just buy Ofna shims and extension for $5, we might need it. I know in my Philosophy there is nothing impossible as long as u have tools and knowledge!!!




Howard,

U know what? I did not really pay attention on ur pics. Now I am looking at this great pics and i realized and measured. Everything should fit all u need is the .21 Vented flywheel (Bruckner Hobbies $18 plus shipping). My flywheel was costumized by Orillo racing. Everything looks ok exaclty for the spear gear.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
The more I look at Tony's picture, the more I can see on that blue flywheel, I can see it is like HPI one, with a long STAND OFF......do you agree?

Yes, I want you to measure the holes that you use to MOUNT your engine (from the bottom) to the 1st gear (single or 2-speed, don't matter) and see both car are the same or not....

From what I know right now, I have only 2 solution, either SHIFT the engine closer to the 2-speed or have a LONG extension on the shaft of the engine.....no other solution else.

I am sure I am not the first one that did the SG on Super nitro, it must be something I am missing......and Wolfgang himself just mailed me a conversion (prototype) for me to try, and I will let you know.

There is a slim chance that I can keep the T5.........

Almost forgot, YES, I was looking at RB website last night and planning to get the X12T standard crank for the Super Nitro, if you remember my IMPACT, I was using the X15 worlds for that car......and believe it or not, for 2 years racing that Impact, I never touch ONE single needle setting on that car, not even the idle mixing.........if I am going to standard crank engine, RB is my only choice.


Howard,

The motor u used to use in ur impact is one of the slowest motor that RB made.

Honestly, The .12 Rs12 s1 3 port standard plug is more powerful than ur old RB motor. That Rb is the .15 race 3 port standard plug 30, 000 Rpm. Now I understand why Walt is leaving u all the time w/ ur impact. Besides of the lighter car SN and bigger tank, Walt mastered the driving skills of HPI cars. Do not underestimate the Power Of Novarossi Rs12 is it one of the most powerful engine that made in RC racing. This is I would like to see. Tell Walt to use his MT12 (Remember not the RS12) in his Sn against ur S5 Tc3. In my opinoin, ur car will have more potential than Walt's Sn w/MT12. Walt, does not need 2spd because his motor has 37,000 RPM. 37, 000 RPM in a light car w/o modification w/longer chassi and wider tires than Rs4. This car will really fly w/control.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Howard,

The motor u used to use in ur impact is one of the slowest motor that RB made.

Honestly, The .12 Rs12 s1 3 port standard plug is more powerful than ur old RB motor. That Rb is the .15 race 3 port standard plug 30, 000 Rpm. Now I understand why Walt is leaving u all the time w/ ur impact. Besides of the lighter car SN and bigger tank, Walt mastered the driving skills of HPI cars. Do not underestimate the Power Of Novarossi Rs12 is it one of the most powerful engine that made in RC racing. This is I would like to see. Tell Walt to use his MT12 (Remember not the RS12) in his Sn against ur S5 Tc3. In my opinoin, ur car will have more potential than Walt's Sn w/MT12. Walt, does not need 2spd because his motor has 37,000 RPM. 37, 000 RPM in a light car w/o modification w/longer chassi and wider tires than Rs4. This car will really fly w/control.

See, now you know how to use "Quote" on cyber space...

OK, I appreciate all the help, and yes, I definitely want to see your RS4 and have you to look at mine....how able this SAT...? I can even come to your place....

I just picked up the OFNA shims and extension kits....$6.00 and yes, I got the 2-speed clutch bell connected without too much problem, but without the "SPECIAL" flywheel, I had to use ten 1mm shims as the extension and placed them in front of the Associated collet and flywheel from the NTC3.

I will post a picture tomorrow....that doesn't look as good as your custom flywheel, but I think that works.

Last, you said I should get the .21 vented flywheel from Bruckner Hobbies $18 plus shipping but then you said your flywheel was costumized by Orillo racing......so are you saying these 2 flywheel will work the same? Or the Bruckner flywheel still need modification like what you did...?

If the flywheel is from Wolfgang, I think I am OK.....cause Wolfgang himself just send me a conversion kits that MIGHT work on my RS-12 SG crank......I will see what happen after I received the kits.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
See, now you know how to use "Quote" on cyber space...

OK, I appreciate all the help, and yes, I definitely want to see your RS4 and have you to look at mine....how able this SAT...? I can even come to your place....

I just picked up the OFNA shims and extension kits....$6.00 and yes, I got the 2-speed clutch bell connected without too much problem, but without the "SPECIAL" flywheel, I had to use ten 1mm shims as the extension and placed them in front of the Associated collet and flywheel from the NTC3.

I will post a picture tomorrow....that doesn't look as good as your custom flywheel, but I think that works.

Last, you said I should get the .21 vented flywheel from Bruckner Hobbies $18 plus shipping but then you said your flywheel was costumized by Orillo racing......so are you saying these 2 flywheel will work the same? Or the Bruckner flywheel still need modification like what you did...?

If the flywheel is from Wolfgang, I think I am OK.....cause Wolfgang himself just send me a conversion kits that MIGHT work on my RS-12 SG crank......I will see what happen after I received the kits.

Hi!

My vented flywheel was for a pullstart (5 mm). This would not fit for the sg crank. All sg crank .12, .15, and .21 are all 6mm. If I were u just get the wolfpack .21 vented flywheel from Bruckner. My convertion took me a lot of work and time. Those kits i put in Hpi are all parts that I already used. I do not want to spend more money in HPI because i am not going to race my RS4 anymore. So, I made a lot of experiment and this experiment worked. I did a lot of thinking about this flywheel. However, If i was not thinking about money that day. I will buy the .21 flywheel from wolfpack. Bruckner made wolfpack option parts. That is the missing part u need and i AM SURE HOWARD U MIGHT NOT NEED ANYTHING ELSE!!!!!

[kakolitoy]

I am not sure why I cannot get the link. This is wht u need.

Go to ebay and type this numbers.

http://**************/ws/*******************************1788923356bay

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Negative, the engine itself won't allow me to use the 3rd hole.....the front belt rear pulley on its way.

And that's why I think the wolfpack adjustable engine mount might work cause that will allow me to shift EAST/WEST direction, and that might help.

Again, you sure the distance between the engine mounting point to the 2-speed are the same between RS4 and SNRS4?

Howard,

I found out something again, My S5 novarossi fit in my rs4 w/centax Clutch. For some reason I like centax clutch especially I run 2 spd gears. It is smoother to engage and adjustable whenever u want to change the gear right away or delay. I am just fixing my Hpi rs4 for the challenge next year.

I will take a pic tommorrow. I am just going to make sure it will run ok w/ no problems.

[Rookie Solara]

Hee hee........I told you, centax might have a chance to work...

Now Scott.........can I buy your centax back....? (just kidding)

[acta1]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Hee hee........I told you, centax might have a chance to work...

Now Scott.........can I buy your centax back....? (just kidding)

no ... its already in my car and i am not pulling it out again. :)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Howard,

I found out something again, My S5 novarossi fit in my rs4 w/centax Clutch. For some reason I like centax clutch especially I run 2 spd gears. It is smoother to engage and adjustable whenever u want to change the gear right away or delay. I am just fixing my Hpi rs4 for the challenge next year.

I will take a pic tommorrow. I am just going to make sure it will run ok w/ no problems.

Howard,

the car u saw when I went to ur house were Peter's HPi. My Hpi is a differrent set up. Some serpent parts and Kyosho V one rr parts, and Super nitro parts. I will probably put a S1 ( The first Rs 12 non turbo, Sg crankshaft). I am going to try if the Rs4 can handle the power or if is still drivable. I set up my centax to change in about 2 to 4 sec. I just hope there is enough lock tight in the car. Hpi tends to shake a lot. No aluminum modifications just try to set the car as hard as possible. The way i set my centax is pretty quick and I can do it quicker. I will see today what will happen. The flywheel I use is for the 1/8 or Tc. Impact's flywheel is kind of too small for Rs4, it will work but there is small problems I have about 5 more centax sets from Serpent. I might take the serpent Centax off and use the Kawahara Centax. Kawahara is better bigger bearings 5x10 Thrust bearing. The housing is better than Old Serpent Centax.

[Rookie Solara]

Saw some centax on ebay for $35.......but not from Serpent....just centax with the same design

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Saw some centax on ebay for $35.......but not from Serpent....just centax with the same design

Is it brand new in package. If it is, that is team magic Centx from taiwan. U remeber Sts they have same connection w/Colorado rc. It will work, but Kawahara has wider clutch bell and lighter clutch shoe. U have to see this clutch its really precise. I think this looks like a 2nd edition centax in Serpent because of 5x10 thrust bearing.

[Rookie Solara]

http://www.insiderc.com/index.html

They posted the schedule on their website, and you MUST have cable TV.........I remembered we are on episode #8.....but better start from #1..........

[Walt]

We had a meeting at the bowling alley (Chicagoland R/C Raceway) yesterday (Sunday, November 24th) to talk about our RCNASCAR oval series we plan on running next season. As long as we were there, we decided to set up a carpet track for micros and mini-z's. I brought 3 mini-z's and a few other guys brought their HPI Micro RS4s. Anyway, it turns out that the banquet room is a pretty darn nice place to run these little cars. The carpet surface is in good shape and gave great performance, and the room is plenty big for racing these cars (plus you can order a pizza or other food there, and the room is connected to the bar, so you can get a drink and enjoy it at your pit table).

Anyway, it was so much fun (and so easy to set up... just some garden hose taped down to the carpet) that we decided to hold a few more races to see if anyone wants to race there with us. We'll hold our first 'real' race in two weeks, on Sunday, December 8th. The bowling alley opens at 9am, and we should have the track up by 10am, and start racing at 11am or so (depending on how many people we get). We've also got a big screen TV in there, so if the Bears are playing, we'll have the TV on.

I drove a couple of the HPI Mirco RS4's and couldn't believe how much fun they were to drive, so I had to run out and buy one today (just got back from a trip to Al's over lunch), so I'll have my Mini-Z and a Micro there to race next time.

I'll probably have an extra Mini-z or two there if people want to try them out.

If things go well, we'll start holding races there every other week, or maybe even every week. There is also the possibility of leaving the track set up in there (as long as they don't need their banquet room for anything else) during the week for open practice.

[HauntedMyst]

Any chances of micro/mini races any other time but Sunday?




I don't know about you guys but its been about 2 months since I've raced and I'm starting to feel like an addict getting the DT's.

[Walt]

I was going through that same withdrawal, which is why I'm going to host some indoor micro races.

So, any chances of another day? Short answer: yes. What day were you thinking about?

Setting up a track in there is so easy, I might be willing to do it another day. In fact, the bowling alley owner suggested I do a race on a Friday night, just to see who would show up to it (plus, we'd have a lot of spectators since there are leagues going on at the same time).

[HauntedMyst]

I was thinking a week night like Tuesday/Wednesday or Thursday. I don't even own one of these cars but if there is week night racing, I'll buy one (probably a HPI Micro since I have the electronics for it). All the other carpet racing that I know of is on Sunday or Friday night but with family, those are hard times to do. A week day night is easy for me to make and racing is racing no matter what the size.

[Walt]

Well, that's a good point. Maybe we'll go ahead and pick a week night to hold some races, maybe every other week or something, and see how it goes.

I'll get back to you on that.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
http://www.insiderc.com/index.html

They posted the schedule on their website, and you MUST have cable TV.........I remembered we are on episode #8.....but better start from #1..........

Good thing we have dish

:confused:

[mab_man20]

hey guys.

if we have to have cable what channel is it? I never knew we cable owners got the outdoors channel.

Walt: If you can get a good weeknight i would like to get a micro also.

[HauntedMyst]

Walt,

I got a micro on the way, just let me know what night! From Jan to May, Wednesday nights are the only nights I can't make it. Beyond that, I'm open to any week night.

[Walt]

I can't believe you just said Wednesday nights are the only night you can't make it... Chip from Al's can ONLY make it on Wednesdays... that always happens. Chip probably wouldn't race anyway, so I've got to take that into account.

We're going to run a micro/mini race this Sunday (December 8th) and see how that goes, and then decide what we'll do from there. I'd like to do a week day evening race personally. I've just got too much going on during the weekends, but I can spare a week day. Plus, as someone pointed out already, there are other racing opportunities on the weekends.

I'll let everyone know what we decide.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by mab_man20
hey guys.

if we have to have cable what channel is it? I never knew we cable owners got the outdoors channel.

Walt: If you can get a good weeknight i would like to get a micro also.

No.....I've got mistaken on Outdoor Lift Network (OLN).....but the Inside-RC show will be on OUTDOOR Channel.......and is on Satellite DISH network ONLY..............not even digital cable.

So we need to relied on those dish ppl and see they can record those show for us......

About the mini........that is the only car I've got, but I think it can run with Micro (just slower).....weekday night time is GOOD.......Sat and Sunday is NEVER good.

[Walt]

So, Rookie will race too if I pick a week day evening... week day racing is looking better and better.

Also, I've got Dish Network... just remind me when these shows are on (remind me that day, or the day before), and I'll record them and bring tapes to the races... we can watch them on the big screen while racing the micros and minis.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
So, Rookie will race too if I pick a week day evening... week day racing is looking better and better.

Also, I've got Dish Network... just remind me when these shows are on (remind me that day, or the day before), and I'll record them and bring tapes to the races... we can watch them on the big screen while racing the micros and minis.

http://www.insiderc.com/airtimes.shtm

That is the link of the airtime........eastern time I think.

First show is on 12-30-2002 Monday.......and please tape them all

[kakolitoy]

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[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
First of all, for all chicago racers. If anyone is interested for a Brand new digital camcorders pls. let me know.

I am selling a brand new canon z45 nib for a lesser price than ebay, bestbuy, Ccity, or any appliance store.

The camera goes for $600 to $650 plus tax. I am only selling for $430.

Now, u cannot miss any race. U can record any race u want to.

I have been using and taping some of my race including the 2002 endurance race and this camera do all the job. Do not miss this deal because I am posting this on ebay on Friday.

[mab_man20]

Rookie: How much do you like the integy set-up station? Is this (http://secure400.automatedshops.com/cgi-bin/ams/shopzone30.cgi/~wfp16353/st_prod.html?p_prodid=1886&p_catid=11&sid=2dODWE0X8FCJ2JU-53102389062.a2) what you have? Im most concerned with how easy it is to check toe and the clearity of the rest of the readings.

Anyone have any suggestions for good ride height gauges? Im eyeing the assocaited, but if someone raves about another, ill think about it.

thanks guys!

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, that is exactly the one I use.....good stuff, but I paid $20 less because I don't have that case........cause you will never need that case, you will never bring that around, you set your car at home, and just bring the car to race......not the entire setup (unless you want to show-off)

Al's sold me one for like $50 last year.....not bad (compare to $90 Hudy one.......cheap plastic and difficult to read those white letering/numbers on clear plastic under sunlights or house lights)

Hey, how much you will charge me to paint a Super Nitro HPI body....? I have a BMW one (like GTP style) and want you to do a black with neon orange flames style like you did to Noel (his IMPACT) awhile ago...?

Let me know, the body was cutted and ready to paint......

Howard

http://www.chicagorc.com/photos/2002/large/10%20(1).jpg

[mab_man20]

Thanks howard. I guess ill get one. (toe is checked the same as the hudy board?)

Check your email about the body.

If anyone else is interested in a custom painted body, let me know.

[LasagnaCat]

Just wondered if anyone here went to/was familiar with Venture Hobbies in Libertyville, their website doesn't have an email contact address. I'm a loooOOOng time offroad guy that's somewhat halfheartedly considering trying onroad. As far as I know that's the only inside/winter track close to Chicago itself. We have a TC3 and an Axis 2 that would be the test subjects, just wondered if there was anything obvious that I would need before I went... If anyone knows anything else that's indoors that'd be great also, the only other thing I know of is a Moose lodge on the south side of Chicago that runs a Nascar style pan car class..

[Walt]

AJ's in DeKalb also runs indoor carpet electric (www.ajsraceway.com). Not sure if they would be any closer to you than Libertyville. I'm also not sure who hosts the better races.

I do recommend that you join the Chicago RC club (it's free). That way you can keep up to date on all the local RC racing events. Check out their web site at: www.chicagorc.com

Also, once it gets nice out again, make sure you race with us in Tinley Park at the Chicagoland R/C Raceway (www.chicagolandrc.com). That's where the 'real' racing is (yes, I'm slightly biased). :-)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
AJ's in DeKalb also runs indoor carpet electric (www.ajsraceway.com). Not sure if they would be any closer to you than Libertyville. I'm also not sure who hosts the better races.

I do recommend that you join the Chicago RC club (it's free). That way you can keep up to date on all the local RC racing events. Check out their web site at: www.chicagorc.com

Also, once it gets nice out again, make sure you race with us in Tinley Park at the Chicagoland R/C Raceway (www.chicagolandrc.com). That's where the 'real' racing is (yes, I'm slightly biased). :-)


Nice advertisement Walt,

How about those people that cannot race on Sundays :(


I hope u will repave the floors next year because I just sold 2 1/8 to a racers that lives in Tinley park.

We will try racing on Sundays, but I know it will not be every Sunday.

Hope u change ur mind to SAt.
:p

[LasagnaCat]

According to Mapquest, AJ's is about 80 minutes away - that's pushing it, Venture is half an hour closer. As it is we've been driving out to Leisure Hours.. same thing, almost too far and it's ridiculously cold in there now because they have everything opened up to try to vent the nitro. A couple things I didn't mention, my wife likes to go for practice days but rarely races ("those racers act like <bleep>, especially the nitro guys" lol). As a result parking lot type 'temporary' races aren't something we'd do a whole lot, and the only day she can go is Saturday - Sunday is bad for both of us. I know Jim from RadioActive has mentioned an indoor (permanent) onroad track, but details are sketchy with that and January is when he said he'd announce details.

I'd already looked at both of those websites, and check both periodically.. For the Tinley track, it mentions A/C 'nearby' - I'm assuming there's not a dedicated pit space then..? I'll be moving somewhere around the Tinly/Bridgeview area so that might become my 'home track' for the offroad at least next year.

Thanks for the input, I was just hoping there might be somewhere closer that's indoor that we could use to experiment without having everything sit all winter.. She'll fight me tooth and nail if I even suggest trying onroad, but who knows.. it could be fun. The last time I ran on pavement was out in Bradley at Marty's R/C in the 80's, on his parking lot that had a wicked downhill slope towards the street. ;)

One last thing.. anyone have a ballpark figure for how often you go through tires with the onroad...? That's assuming it's a properly set up car being driven by a decent driver, not someone that's beating the car/tires to death every time out.. Thanks!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by LasagnaCat
According to Mapquest, AJ's is about 80 minutes away - that's pushing it, Venture is half an hour closer. As it is we've been driving out to Leisure Hours.. same thing, almost too far and it's ridiculously cold in there now because they have everything opened up to try to vent the nitro. A couple things I didn't mention, my wife likes to go for practice days but rarely races ("those racers act like <bleep>, especially the nitro guys" lol). As a result parking lot type 'temporary' races aren't something we'd do a whole lot, and the only day she can go is Saturday - Sunday is bad for both of us. I know Jim from RadioActive has mentioned an indoor (permanent) onroad track, but details are sketchy with that and January is when he said he'd announce details.

I'd already looked at both of those websites, and check both periodically.. For the Tinley track, it mentions A/C 'nearby' - I'm assuming there's not a dedicated pit space then..? I'll be moving somewhere around the Tinly/Bridgeview area so that might become my 'home track' for the offroad at least next year.

Thanks for the input, I was just hoping there might be somewhere closer that's indoor that we could use to experiment without having everything sit all winter.. She'll fight me tooth and nail if I even suggest trying onroad, but who knows.. it could be fun. The last time I ran on pavement was out in Bradley at Marty's R/C in the 80's, on his parking lot that had a wicked downhill slope towards the street. ;)

One last thing.. anyone have a ballpark figure for how often you go through tires with the onroad...? That's assuming it's a properly set up car being driven by a decent driver, not someone that's beating the car/tires to death every time out.. Thanks!



Regarding tires:

I am sorry are u asking for nitro.
If so, it depends which scale

I have

1/10 200mm
1/10 235 2wd or 4wd.
1/8 scale on road

I use foam tires in all of my cars. If u use rubber tires that is another story. I just felt that foam has more traction than rubber and also its a fact.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Regarding tires:

I am sorry are u asking for nitro.
If so, it depends which scale

I have

1/10 200mm
1/10 235 2wd or 4wd.
1/8 scale on road

I use foam tires in all of my cars. If u use rubber tires that is another story. I just felt that foam has more traction than rubber and also its a fact.

just to give u an idea

[mab_man20]

Over at the HobbyTown USA in Oak Park we will be running on saturdays again (good news for some, bad for others :(). We are a member of www.chicagorc.com and will have a page on the site very shortly. It will detail all the cool stuff that will be going on this year (including the second annual nitro/electric challenge). Keep checking the site for info.

Happy Holidays everyone!!!!! :)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Over at the HobbyTown USA in Oak Park we will be running on saturdays again (good news for some, bad for others :(). We are a member of www.chicagorc.com and will have a page on the site very shortly. It will detail all the cool stuff that will be going on this year (including the second annual nitro/electric challenge). Keep checking the site for info.

Happy Holidays everyone!!!!! :)

Hi! Mabman

That is a good thing for some of us. Rookie and I are planning to come back next year because we can race Sat.

BTW: Have u guys run through ur transponders ?

[mab_man20]

We have not gone through the transponders yet, but rest assured that before next season we will have every single one working in perfect order.
:)

we're glad to have you guys out their every week!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
We have not gone through the transponders yet, but rest assured that before next season we will have every single one working in perfect order.
:)

we're glad to have you guys out their every week!

Thanks

we will try to be there every race, unfortunately there is the Tinley raceway which we really wanted to go. The track is big enough for our 1/8 scale and 1/10 235 cars. However, Oak park is a freindly and comfortable track.

No offense, I think the track will be better if the staff get some ideas from another track.

Running time, rules, and organization. One of the track that I think or my opinion that is well developed is Venture raceway in Libertyville (Pls. any Chicago racers that will read this, this my own opinion. I do not intend to offend anyone in my comment). When we had the 2002 endurance race, I felt like I am in a big event race and in a National racetrack. Their organization was great, they run the endurance or 2.4 hours race in a smooth way. I think everyone was happy about the whole enviroment and the organization of staff (considering some of them where participating in the race too). I felt like Venture is a smaller version of the racetrack that I raced last Summer in Nasu36circuit in Japan.

http://www.mytsn.com/events/event.asp?eid=979

This track is there National track. They can hold at least 200 drivers in there track. Very well developed and great young fast drivers.

BTW: I just think sharing ideas will make us grow and have a better freindly race.

[mab_man20]

Thanks for the constructive criticism. I agree that we need a structer time policy and this year one will be in effect. Races will start with or without racers unless a major issue arises (the computer catching on fire, chris having a heart attack, etc. :p).

I am very determined to run a great program that everyone can enjoy. If anyone has a suggestion or something they would like to see, just email or IM me and we can discuss it.

Chicagorc is going to play a larger roll this year, with bigger events (at all the tracks) and prizes at those events (and sometimes just regular race days). All the tracks will be communicating more than in the past to make sure that there are no conflicts of major events, and a minimum of regular race conflicts.

thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Thanks for the constructive criticism. I agree that we need a structer time policy and this year one will be in effect. Races will start with or without racers unless a major issue arises (the computer catching on fire, chris having a heart attack, etc. :p).

I am very determined to run a great program that everyone can enjoy. If anyone has a suggestion or something they would like to see, just email or IM me and we can discuss it.

Chicagorc is going to play a larger roll this year, with bigger events (at all the tracks) and prizes at those events (and sometimes just regular race days). All the tracks will be communicating more than in the past to make sure that there are no conflicts of major events, and a minimum of regular race conflicts.

thanks .

I would like to go back and visit my old hobby shop HT Oak park.
If ud like I will bring two videos (2002 endurance race and clips of the last sept. 7 race HT Oak park, B mAin (U can hear Scott yelling What T F...), A main, the last battery and Nitro challenge). The only problem is the camera is always @ my car or Peter's car. I also gave u a call last Mon. because Peter wanted his body to made by u or Jim (Al's). I would like to give suggestions that I experienced in some other developed track especially in Japan. It might work in HT race. Also, this would be a great practice for all of the racers in Oak Park. Isn't that great if everyone drives like a pro. Competition will be better because u will never know who's going to be the winner.

[Rookie Solara]

Hey hey hey........TAKE A NUMBER, Mike is doing MY SNRS4 and NTC3 bodies FIRST..........(hee hee)

Yeah, Satuarday is always better for me, but I think I will managed to race on SUNDAY when HT is off (since HT still doing the bi-weeky race)......I think that is my only option.

Tony, please don't sell all of your IMPACT, I need to race your IMPACT at Tinley or HTOP.........please give my HPI a chance...

Also, I saw you pick up another RS4.......we are joining us for the HPI challenge next year, right..?

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Hey hey hey........TAKE A NUMBER, Mike is doing MY SNRS4 and NTC3 bodies FIRST..........(hee hee)

Yeah, Satuarday is always better for me, but I think I will managed to race on SUNDAY when HT is off (since HT still doing the bi-weeky race)......I think that is my only option.

Tony, please don't sell all of your IMPACT, I need to race your IMPACT at Tinley or HTOP.........please give my HPI a chance...

Also, I saw you pick up another RS4.......we are joining us for the HPI challenge next year, right..? .

The Rs4 that u saw, was my first car that was 3 years old. I have not touched it since then. I modified the car to a racer 2 and cost me $20 I will use this next year and practice in HTOP. I will run it tommorrow for its fisrt time run after 3 years. Serpent centax 1 did not work well for my HPI. The Hpi 2spd gear box is too shakey. its giving the car some juke. I put the regular clutch back. I use my Kawahara centax from my Mugen Mrx 3 and it work very well, but I rather race my MRx 3 1/8 than my Rs4. I did not buy the 950, I kept my vector V seriesand veteq . I will use that 1/8 in the midwest series in April @ Bradley IL. Howard there will be more 1/8 next year The racers from Tinley bought 2 of my 1/8. Do not worry I will never give up my Serpent stuff. My impact is almost like a 835, not much difference its the same, but get the new centax housing bigger thrust bearing. Howard u have to race Peter's impact next year. I have some videos that Peter outlap u w/ his impact in HT.

[Walt]

I've been away for a few days and missed some stuff.

First, Tinley does not have dedicated permanent pit tables (yet), although we usually do supply tables, they are folding tables from the banquet room of the bowling alley.

Also, we are hoping to repave for next year. We're still getting quotes and nothing is set yet, so don't get your hopes up too much yet, but if we do come through with pavement for next year, it won't be a resurfacing of the parking lot, it will be a permanent, dedicated RC track out behind the bowling alley... stay tuned.

As for tire wear on road, a set of foams will last 2 or 3 days of racing, usually. Unfortunately, with foam tires, as they get smaller and lighter, the car gets noticably faster, so that tempts people to cut their new tires down really small, limiting their life to just one day of racing. I run my tires really big, and put on smaller tires for the 'main' or if I feel I need a little more handling. I usually get 5 race days out of my foam tires.

As for rubber tires, they last a long time for me, but don't work nearly as well as the foam. We're thinking about allowing only rubber tires next year for the Super Nitro class, for those that don't want to spend a fortune on foam tires.

HT Guys: You might want to try out the Alycat race management software that I bought for Tinley. I think it has worked out great, and it only cost $185. I ran all our races on 'fully automatic' mode, so the software called the grids (using actual racer names), started the races, announced the races, etc. I just told everyone that there would be EXACTLY 5 minutes between races, and that the computer would start the races no matter what's happening or who is not ready, and it worked great. As soon as everyone knew there would be a rigid schedule, no one had a problem with it and everyone was ready on time. Plus, letting the computer run all the races left me with enough time to actually race myself, sometimes in two classes. I highly recommend you give their software a try. I thnk everyone that raced in Tinley last year liked our computer system. Plus, it will work with the KO system. You can try the demo version for free. Check out their site at: www.alycat.com

And, regarding the Tinley schedule, we're still planning on racing on-road on Sundays. We know there are a few people who prefer Saturdays, but the majority of our customers prefer Sunday, and there is already a nearby track running races on Saturdays (HT), so we don't see a good enough reason to change our schedule (sorry Orillo brothers... we hope you can make it out often on Sundays).

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
.
Howard u have to race Peter's impact next year. I have some videos that Peter outlap u w/ his impact in HT.

Dude, my SnRs4 is ready.....and please make sure your impacts can run a FULL 5 or even 10 minutes race...not 1 or 2 minutes and the centax blew....

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Dude, my SnRs4 is ready.....and please make sure your impacts can run a FULL 5 or even 10 minutes race...not 1 or 2 minutes and the centax blew.... .

Do not worry, I will make sure it will run better in the summer time. I never make any excuses. The last race in Tinley was our fault. We were not prepared, and try to run as much scales as we can.

I never make excuses I loss the race because I loss the race. Hoping I will be a better driver next time. However, I fullfiled some of my goals.

My goals were to pass JIM, Walt, and u. I did passed three of u in the 2002 endurance race and I am really happy w/ that. I have the video and went last night @ HTOP and showed it to Mike. I hope I can show this for all of the racers that went out there. Just to see Aeron Brooks kicked all of our butts. I was really amazed how he drives tc nitro. Howard this is the guy to watch and beat. This guy is awesom. I watch u, Jim and walt how to drive, its different how Aeron drives. I am not sure why he probably been practicing in that track for along time.

[Rookie Solara]

Oh no......not again.

OK....you passed me.....great. I am no longer the FASTEST in the cyper space......

Bring it on next season dude.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Oh no......not again.

OK....you passed me.....great. I am no longer the FASTEST in the cyper space......

Bring it on next season dude. .


U should have check this before the radio thread. I put this early in the morning.

I know ur faster than me, no doubt. I will just try to hang w/u next year.

[Rookie Solara]

Bring that back here....you are OT over there.....

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Bring that back here....you are OT over there.....


i just asked John, It seems like i cannot find him in the Chicago track.

U started to ask questions and we made it bigger in the radio thread.

[JIM C.]

rookie, kakolitoy may have passed us up during that race, but we ended up ahead at the end:) i cant wait for next season. kakolitoy if you still want my serpent stuff let me know.

[mab_man20]

Walt: Sounds like your going to have quite a program next year! Ill try to make it a few times. Im very glad that we are able to run saturdays, it gives everyone in chicago a chance to race, regardless of their schedule.

I have one question regarding the softwear. For the heats, does it start everyone similtaniously, or does it do an IFMAR start? I would love to use such a program, it will make chris and my lives much easier (expecially chris cuz hes going the computer grunt work :p).

That Aaron Brooks guy was kinda inconsistant, but when he was smooth he was FAST!!!

[Walt]

The Alycat race software will do IFMAR starts or 'all at once' starts for qualifying. It can also handle 'qualify/mains' type racing or 'rounds'. I think 'rounds' make more sense on days where everyone is running in the same heat anyway (kinda makes 'qualifying' unnecessary), so points are awarded for finishing positions in all the rounds, and the overall winner for the day is the one with the most points.

Download the demo (which is actually the 'real' software, it just won't fully work until they send you a small file that acts like a 'key' after you send them some money). The Demo is very good, allowing you to run with every option but a 3 car maximum, or run a 50 car maximum with slightly limited functionality. It's enough to give you the general idea of how it all works.

Like I said before, what I like best is the ability to set up the entire race day to run automatically. You put in how long you want the races to be, how long you want between races, how long you want between rounds, what you want the computer to announce, and let it go. Literally, all I need to do is take the printouts and hang them on the wall after each race. Actually, one user of Alycat said they got around that by making a rule that whoever wins each round of racing must hang up the printout or loose the points they got for that race... not a bad idea.

I also like the announcing. It can call out all sorts of things, but I like to set it up to call out time remaining, leading positions (by name), and it calls out what place everyone is in as their car goes over the line (so, when you are crossing the line, you can listen for a '1st' or '2nd' or whatever place you are in). I thought that was really cool. Some races I'd get a bad start and then listen for the '1st' and '2nd' and then see how far back I was from the line, and see if I was loosing ground or gaining. Pretty nice feature I think.

If you guys are unsure about it, or are looking at other software also, plan on coming on out to one of our early races next season and I'll show you how the whole system works on a real race day. I think you'll be impressed.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by JIM C.
rookie, kakolitoy may have passed us up during that race, but we ended up ahead at the end:) i cant wait for next season. kakolitoy if you still want my serpent stuff let me know. .


JIm I am not making any excuses. We did not have a car for almost 25 min. in the race. I accept were losers and just hoping to be a better driver an team next year. Its ok that is part of racing. That is also good for us, so we can be more focus next time.

RE: Serpent stuff.

U told me u will call and email me back, u never did. I am asking u if u still want to sell ur serpent stuff to me?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I also like the announcing. It can call out all sorts of things, but I like to set it up to call out time remaining, leading positions (by name), and it calls out what place everyone is in as their car goes over the line (so, when you are crossing the line, you can listen for a '1st' or '2nd' or whatever place you are in). I thought that was really cool. Some races I'd get a bad start and then listen for the '1st' and '2nd' and then see how far back I was from the line, and see if I was loosing ground or gaining. Pretty nice feature I think.


Mab_man20:, You MUST have that progame, If not, you MUST be there and check out that system...Walt and Tony G actually just SIT BACK and RELEX the whole race, I believed all they did is push the enter button and the program will run, count, check and print each HEAT and the MAIN........when the first time I saw the system (Walt: at the buggy pre-open race..remember?) that sounds so bad due to the bad PA system......but on the last race of the season with a good PA system, that "Announcing" feature KICK BUTT.........the best part is - GAL......its a SHE who announce the pace, result and names......only hope I wish is they can download different CHICK voice to do the announcment....and I bet somehow everyone will improve their lap time by a second or 2............hee hee.

That program can pronounce any name......and next season, I will use "FABIO" or "J-Lo" to be my user name........that is cool as hell.

[JIM C.]

kakolitoy, i know i told you i would give you a call and i still have your number, i will call you with in the next week or so with what i have and a price, the reason i asked if you still wanted the stuff was because it has been awhile.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by JIM C.
kakolitoy, i know i told you i would give you a call and i still have your number, i will call you with in the next week or so with what i have and a price, the reason i asked if you still wanted the stuff was because it has been awhile.

WELL, the things I like about Serpent cars is most of their parts are intechngable w/ impact, vector, veteq, and impulse. even in the new models. I drive impacts and 1/8 too.

Not unlike the MTx 2, and Mtx 3 totally different car.

[mab_man20]

It sounds like a great system and i would be interested in getting it. Only problem is the cost, maybe if turn out is good for the first couple races we can get it (hint hint guys, tell everyone you know to come to HT next year!!).

Nicknames:

Rookie: A Fabio (A stands for asian)

Kakolitoy: Big bux

Hauntedmyst: Kick --- painter

Walt: F-16

Mab_man: Fill in the blank (I cant give myself a nickname).

fill in the rest.

[Walt]

I didn't think $185 was very much for the software. Most of the other software packages that had similar features cost between $500 and $1000. $185 is a deal.

As for my nickname, ever since I raced in the 80's, my nickname was 'Crash', because a friend of mine used to say that I would drive behind him until I forced him to crash, and then I'd pass him.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
It sounds like a great system and i would be interested in getting it. Only problem is the cost, maybe if turn out is good for the first couple races we can get it (hint hint guys, tell everyone you know to come to HT next year!!).

Nicknames:

Rookie: A Fabio (A stands for asian)

Kakolitoy: Big bux

Hauntedmyst: Kick --- painter

Walt: F-16

Mab_man: Fill in the blank (I cant give myself a nickname).

fill in the rest. .


AS for my nick name.

They call me "Snake." Not because of serpent cars. They called me snake in high school because I used to play a lot of songs from Skid Row. Snake was the lead guitarist.

Big bux does not sound bad.

How did u come up w/ this names especialliy Fabio (souds like F A G)?
;)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by JIM C.
kakolitoy, i know i told you i would give you a call and i still have your number, i will call you with in the next week or so with what i have and a price, the reason i asked if you still wanted the stuff was because it has been awhile. .

JIm I would like to see it today and take a pic so Peter can see it too.
Then call whenever ur ready for ur price.

Do not worry about the cash, If we agreed in a certain price I will pay in that sec. even if it is X-mas shopping season.

Just let me know, I do want to see it. I do not care if I go to ur house ur meet u somewhere.

[mab_man20]

Walt: i agree that $185 is a deal compared to other programs out there. We already have one, so the $185 would be completely extra, more of an option than a necessity.


Again, if we have a good turn out at the beginning of the season we may get it.

As for the nicknames, i was just shooting stuff out there, Rookie wanted to be called fabio, so i just stuck the a there.

[xxx mike]

I think Rookie should be "Y2khai" :p "One Loc'd out Asian"

www.y2khai.com

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I think Rookie should be "Y2khai" :p "One Loc'd out Asian"

www.y2khai.com

WoWW!!!!!!!!!

This is really really funny. This is too fly!

I just think Rookie would not like this.:D

[Rookie Solara]

I saw that long time ago.......and I don't mine you guys called me FABIO or F A G or whatever..........and xxxmike and kakolitoy
, when are you guys going to start a "Chicago OFF TOPIC trush taking forum"......? That is what you guys did much better then racing your own RC car........ :D

Only the LAP/TIME counts.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
I saw that long time ago.......and I don't mine you guys called me FABIO or F A G or whatever..........and xxxmike and kakolitoy
, when are you guys going to start a "Chicago OFF TOPIC trush taking forum"......? That is what you guys did much better then racing your own RC car........ :D

Only the LAP/TIME counts.

Howard, I did not say anything I did not call u F.. at all. I called Fabio the name sounds like F.. not u.

I just asked Mabman where did he get the names. I did not know u pick that name.

In mike's link I just checked it out. I thought it was Rc trucks and buggies jump contest. But it was something I have not seen before.

Sorry If I offended u, Nothing personal Rookie. ;)

[xxx mike]

Yeah, definitly no offense to rookie... I assume the punishment I give him is well taken, it's not meant to hurt any feelings.

Laps times is what matters? How about FINISH THE RACE is what matters huh? How about that one!

haha anyway, you are good driver and a good sport. But next season your gonna be getting chopped down to second or third by my NTC3... and if not, I'll have to hack you to bits and break you car! muaahhahaha

[mab_man20]

Below this line trash talking is not allowed!!!!!!
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[Walt]

How about 'trush' talking? (sorry Howard)

[mab_man20]

Originally posted by Walt
How about 'trush' talking? (sorry Howard)

I dont see a problem with it.

:p

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by xxx mike
But next season your gonna be getting chopped down to second or third by my NTC3... and if not, I'll have to hack you to bits and break you car! muaahhahaha

See, that is just perfect........Mike is going to beat me this season with his NTC3........woo......and he is going to crash my NTC3 just for fun.............

I need to call my mommy and daddy now.......Mike just scare me.......

Grow the **** up and save your money for the NTC3........or at least BUY ONE first before start talking shiiiiit.........

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
See, that is just perfect........Mike is going to beat me this season with his NTC3........woo......and he is going to crash my NTC3 just for fun.............

I need to call my mommy and daddy now.......Mike just scare me.......

Grow the **** up and save your money for the NTC3........or at least BUY ONE first before start talking shiiiiit......... .

Rookie,

try not to say foul words, Steve is very very strict he might kick u out.

Its not going to be fun anymore if Rookie is not in this teck talk. :confused:

This is also for all of us we want to share our ideas, current events, and info. in this tech talk. Just try to relax before typing and saying something in this forum. I do not know about u guys, but I like this forum and everybody so far. I do not want anyone to get boot out in this forum. Besides all of us our Chicago racers anyway.

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, please make sure EVERYONE knows my real name, OK.

I am done in this cyper space BS.............see you all at the track next season.

[xxx mike]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
See, that is just perfect........Mike is going to beat me this season with his NTC3........woo......and he is going to crash my NTC3 just for fun.............

I need to call my mommy and daddy now.......Mike just scare me.......

Grow the **** up and save your money for the NTC3........or at least BUY ONE first before start talking shiiiiit.........


I do have one Howard... I got it recently. I need a power switch and to finish the body, but it's almost ready to go. I am trying to use good stuff for next year and see if I can advance some. I'll probably have to sneak into your pit area and copy your setup, but I will get it going somehow. Quit being such a crabby grouch too.. You should know I'm just joking with you, you know I don't intentionally hack anyone.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I do have one Howard... I got it recently. I need a power switch and to finish the body, but it's almost ready to go. I am trying to use good stuff for next year and see if I can advance some. I'll probably have to sneak into your pit area and copy your setup, but I will get it going somehow. Quit being such a crabby grouch too.. You should know I'm just joking with you, you know I don't intentionally hack anyone.

Nice motor MIke,

mt12?

Nova mega SX12?

[xxx mike]

MT-12 Considered Sirio, but they don't have any reutation yet.. I needed somthing I know will last a long time and run fast. I've been seeing these motors ripping in every kind of 1/10 scale for the longest time... also they are getting cheaper now. ultimatehobbies has it for 139.99

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
MT-12 Considered Sirio, but they don't have any reutation yet.. I needed somthing I know will last a long time and run fast. I've been seeing these motors ripping in every kind of 1/10 scale for the longest time... also they are getting cheaper now. ultimatehobbies has it for 139.99 .

good motor

It does last long. Also, no problem w/ P/s. US should have enough stock of P/S.

I think RB x.12 230 will fit too.

[Serpent Impact]

Serpent 705 (Jan) $ 355
Ntc3 kit RE $ 257
Ntc3 starter $ 75

No tax no shipping if in Chicago(pick up).
no tax other place.

ask for other products

My email : amuiy2k@hotmail.com
AIM : amuiy2k
Yahoo Mess: amuiy2k

[chicago rc]

I kept getting this feeling that Howard was being ripped on and I was missing all the fun. But it looks like he has had enough.

Some updates on chicagorc.com:
- HT OP has joined up with us and will have a page soon (Mike, need the info).

- I will do my best to keep the larger events from conflicting but there will always be some overlap. I like HT OP on Saturdays and Walt running on Sundays. That works well in general. The bigger club races will fall on normal race days but instead of regular races it will be an enduro or a Formula R/C series race for example.

- The web site (www.chicagorc.com) got a facelift about 2 months ago but over the winter I am doing more planning and no indoor racing so updates are minimal. 2003 will bring some new cool features to the site.

- Between Walt's efforts, HT OP getting a race program together, Venture Raceways, and my efforts with the club we should really see some great racing in 2003!

- I will plan a club meeting in January after all the holiday madness is over - FYI

Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[tc3punk]

um, I signed up at chicagorc.com a while ago, and I've never recieved any emails about clubs or whatnot..

I saw that monster truck thing with the truck pulling and freestyle, ect, but I didn't see where it is going to be held:rolleyes:

could you please LMK what the deal is?

email: tc3punk@directvinternet,com

replace , with .

[mab_man20]

chicagorc:

Yeah im getting you the info, im just pritty busy, next couple days, promise.

[chicago rc]

Nick,

You are listed as a club member so you will get any e-mails I send out. People often assume that I send a few mails a week when I normally only send 2 or 3 a month. Now during the winter season I have nothing to update so e-mails have not gone out recently.

The 1st Monster Jam in 2003 will be hosted by Walt's track in Tinley Park but until we have the details 100% nailed down I don't want to note that on the web page. There is enough info there for people to plan for the day, where it is should not matter too much but in your case Woodstock is a haul to TP... It will be worth the drive!

- Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[Rookie Solara]

Come on guys.......Please, please and please........
This is Howard speaking, aka Rookie Solara............it is BACK, the trash talking arena is BACK.......remember a year ago in HPI forum...? When we are in OFF SEASON, it is the trash talking season begins......I just want to start this again in Chicago racing thread, but I think I go a little TOO FAR this one....

Guys, I was just BSing around with absolutely no meaning and no harming to anyone......thats for kakolitoy and XXX mike especially, COME ON, (especially Kakolitory)....it is ME, its not the first day you know me, I trash talking you ON and OFF the track, and you do the same on my ENGLISH and SPELLING (so does Walt)....come on, it is all fun.

Please accept my applogize on this incident......and I will watch my language from now on untill the season begin....as I know, Kakolitoy brothers are ready, and those 705 newbies are waiting for challenge, new comer like xxx mike are getting closer to the TOP (with the NTC3 and MT-12, perfect match btw)......I just can't wait to be MARCH or APRIL now........

And I almost forgot.......CHICAGO RC (Brian) how can I forget you and your ALMOST ONE PIECE mugen.......? Are you getting NTC3 too like me.......? Jumping the boat too.....? Ha ha, welcome aboard, I think next season we will ended up a little A-main NTC3 and B-main NTC3 only classes.........

But till then, what I can only do is..........dusting my NTC3.

BTW, the new RS-12 T5 engine sucks.......so does my new MT-12.....P/S are so freaking tight that my starter box cannot be spin the flywheel.......

I will use my OS instead.......

[mab_man20]

TIme to whip out the heat gun rookie!

As for trash talking, i dont know if any of the electric guys read this, so.......i dont have anything to say.

[Serpent Impact]

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Ntc3 kit RE $ 257
Ntc3 starter $ 75

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[xxx mike]

He's right about the heat gun! You've seen Kakolitoy doing it at the track... warm up the engine and it will loosen up quite a bit. After you put 10 tanks through it or so it should be easier to start even without the heat.

Your problem might just be your starter box though. I think you were using a dual motor design, which have always seemed weak compared to single large motor. If you have two novarossi's definitly run them. It just takes a little time to wear them in.

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, I think I will look for the NTC3 one, but again, it is a POS single 540 motor........but once I am ready to break in the engine, I will use the HEAT gun and the coreless drill methrod used by OS Rocket.......my other concern - the CONROD are not strong enough to handle the compression..........

I think that is the price to deal with those overpriced engine.....I still love the old MT-12 and CVR.....trouble free.

[xxx mike]

Get one like mine... It has no problem with a MT-12, or even .21's. These big motors are very strong. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAXU5&P=7

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[kakolitoy]

HI!

I'm expecting more 1/8 next year. pls check out race heat round 3. I am really eager to go race my 8th scale outside Chicago again. I need more practice so I can be a better driver, Ur track will be a lot of help for me. Especially if ESPO come back w/ his 8th scales and impacts.



http://www.mytsn.com/events/videos.asp?eid=534

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Get one like mine... It has no problem with a MT-12, or even .21's. These big motors are very strong. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAXU5&P=7

I figured I need something like that, however, starter box like that I have to ROTATE the whole unit 90 degree......did you do that....?

And Serpent Impact: I want a 2003 BMW Z4 for my wife......what is the best price that you can do....? Or S2000......

Ha ha.....suddenly, we have all kind of RC dealer here, nothing but business..........

[xxx mike]

I left my motor sideways so i could still start the losi easily, but its very east to sit the TC3 on sideways and bump it.

[Serpent Impact]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara

And Serpent Impact: I want a 2003 BMW Z4 for my wife......what is the best price that you can do....? Or S2000......

Ha ha.....suddenly, we have all kind of RC dealer here, nothing but business..........


Yod need a body???

[chicago rc]

Yeah Howard I'm jumping ship so give me some NTC3 tips! As for your tight motor my .21 OS buggy engine is still super tight after plenty of run time. I just loosen the glow plug and it fires right up. A heat gun is a pain if you ask me. And for all the trash talkers that were running around like crazy people at the 2.4 hour enduro I say better luck next time. You guys will have your chance to prove how good you are in the 2 man 1 hour mini enduros...

Happy Holidays to everyone. And for Howard I don't know what they do in Honk Kong, maybe put a wooden shoe out and wait for a samuri god to fill it with sushi or something, so Happy whatever that is called to you. Is that good trash talk for the off-season?

Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[xxx mike]

haha good image of a Hong Kong Christmas Brian!

Howard, seriously.. we do need your suspension setup from your NTC3. I'd like to have the same setup to start out with so I can have a good handling car. Everything you could tell me so I can try to copy it :)

[Rookie Solara]

Ha ha ha, oh my god......it is BRIAN and he is back...Please, don't let that CHINESE GUY trash talk stop you.....I can't live without Brian making fun of my race and my English.....ha ha ha....(P.S. Brian is back to the #1 place on my list next year....hmmm hmmm)

About the engine thing......I really need some idea about starter box, I need those 12V big motor type, no more monkey business of those twin 540v motor.....those thing just cannot do the job....Brian, what is the blue one that you have for your off-road?

About the NTC3 setup.....follow the manuel and use the FOAM setup, that one is a great starting point, then I just play around with oil and springs, which I need to get some from Team Assoicate (still running Serpent Springs)......but again, with those Nitro shoes foams, I think any suspension setting with work, only different is how good that will make on your foams - I mean if you do a good job, your foams should last longer, otherwise, the rear foams will shaved like SAND PAPER does....

OK....one day to x'mas and I hope everyone have a great x'mas and a great new "RACE" year......HO HO HO.....

Oh BTW, we ppl from HK used to laugh at some big fat WHITE PPL that dressed up like a SANTA because it is 80 degree over there now.....and never understand why white ppl do that in HK. We believe BUDDA in X'mas in HK, not SANTA............YO YO YO

[kakolitoy]

To anyone whos intersted,


WE would like to host a race online.


Reqiurements:

1. Cable, DSl, or any faster connection than dial up. U can use dial up but its not fair to u. Dial up is really slow.


2. Duratrax Real race 2.


We will set a date and just email me and I will give u the our server's adrdress. I think We only race 8 people @ a time, so pls. email me 2 days before we set the date.

It work in our local network w/ 5 racers, and one of the racers were from the Phillippines.

Real race is a fairly good simulator a good practice while waithing for summer.

thanks

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I left my motor sideways so i could still start the losi easily, but its very east to sit the TC3 on sideways and bump it.

Mike......exactly WHICH model of the OFNA starter box that you are running....? My concern is when I have my NTC3 sit on top of the box (the wheel/motor is still in the default position like you stated...) will the REAR wheel of the NTC3 rubbing against the starter box...?

There are 2 models of OFNA are running with those 12V motor...

http://www.ofna.com/images/start-1.jpg

and

http://www.ofna.com/images/start-3.jpg

Which one do you have...? I am not so sure about the first one, the box is too wide for the NTC3....

[Serpent Impact]

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And Serpent Impact: I want a 2003 BMW Z4 for my wife......what is the best price that you can do....? Or S2000......

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You need a body??