Chicago Racing (track info inside)

[Rookie Solara]

Well.......since HPI forum is going to a better system (or should I called it - HE_LL), I think I should start a Chicago racer/racing topic here so all the Chicago Racers can chat under this topic regarding the latest information and news......

So, post away..........anything, any ideas, and any hate mail are welcome........:D

Rookie Solara

[kakolitoy]

Pls. tell eveyone that Chicagoracers are here in the zone. If Hpi would not cooperate and the hell w/that. Chicago racers needs to comminicate so we know what is going on around us.

[kakolitoy]

I have shipment comming in the end of the month. 3 705 are sold to those 3 guys from Tinley.

[Rookie Solara]

That should be a good news to SCOTT......after they saw my NTC3, I thought they are going to Team Associate.

3 going to Serpent and 3 selling their Serpent to NTC3.

Should be fun next year.

Tony, please post on the REGION topic.....this is for TRACK owner or org.

[xxx mike]

Hihi Howard and Kakolitoy. It is Mike from Tinley Park racetrack (pink/green rs4). I am glad you guys made it over here instead of just dissapearing since HPI closed it's boards. I am not sure if any of the other guys are on here or not, if they are, I do not know thier board names. Nice to see you guys again, and hopefully this thread will explode with interest the way it was on HPI.

I can't wait till next years touring car season, but until then I am going to try racing some out at Monee on the dirt oval with Tony G. Maybe one night you guys could take a ride out and check it out. It's certainly not as fun as onroad (not even close really) but it's better then racing nothing at all is what I am thinking.

BTW, do either of you know if 5 ports are going to be legal at Tinley next year? I will ask Walt next time I hear from him, but just wondering if you guys know.

[kakolitoy]

There should be no problem using 5 port. We are not racing in Roar or Ifmar rules anyway.

It would be more fun if we could do everyhting in 200 mm and .12.
It is ok. Becuase the guys from Tinley ordered 3 Novarossi S5, and 3 serpent 705 from me. the stuff will be here in the end of the month. I am not sure if u noticed them. There the 3 big guys and they are all good freinds.

[kakolitoy]

R we writing here or regional?

[Rookie Solara]

Do it at REGIONAL

[xxx mike]

3 big guys? are you talking about those guys that always pit down at the far right end of the track? They have a black F150 crew cab, a couple RS4-3's and that maxx where the guy stops on the track to do wheelies?

I don't think I've seen a 705 yet... is that the model car that Espo was running when he stopped out a few weeks ago?

[kakolitoy]

I am sure nobody have 705 here in the US except if u r Serpent driver.

There is a big delay here in U.S. However, I have shipping coming in on second week of DEC.

I just sold 3 of those 705. This is really hot right now, and I do not want this car. I will stick w/ my pro like Espo.

[Rookie Solara]

Man......still hanging with the SERPENT...? I heard the MTX-3 is really good.......and V1RR......definitely a killer.

Afterall, no one can past me with my NTC3........

Mike.......are you still in the RS-12 engine...? I have to order them from HK now.

[kakolitoy]

I have shipment coming in two weeks.

let me know?

[Rookie Solara]

2 weeks.......? If I order today, I will get them by next Thursday......btw, it was MIKE that holding me up, I don't need no engine, I need my 3PK radio.......and some foams.

[Walt]

It looks like we've move here... that's fine with me. In case it's not obvious, this is Walt, Race Director, Chicagoland R/C Raceway.

Some stuff I want to comment on:

First, if you're looking for a place to race in the off season, I'm going to host a micro/mini-z race at the bowling alley on Sunday, November 24th, around noon. This will be a 'fun' race (and free), and will take place after our RCNASCAR organizational meeting which will start at 11am. If you're interested in running RCNASCAR oval races next year on Friday nights, come to our meeting at 11am... if you just want to run your micro/mini-z, you can come around noon.

We'll have the micro/mini-z track set up with our transponder scoring system going (and me teaching others, like Tony, how to run it for next year since I can't run all the races), and we hope people will buy some pizza and beer and watch the Bears game on the big screen (which will be in the same room as the track... cool huh?).

If there is demand for some micro/mini-z races this winter, I'll host them, so let me know.

Second, I don't see the Chicagoland R/C Raceway enforcing any draconian engine rules for Sunday touring car racing, however, we WILL have engine rules for Friday RCNASCAR races. We'll vote on it at our meeting on the 24th, but I'm proposing a $200 'claim' rule... if we want to do a rule for Sundays, I'd recommend the same thing. If you don't know what that means, it's a rule that is used in some local short track 'real' car racing... basically, you are NOT supposed to spend more than $200 on your engine... if you do, that's fine, but if another racer suspects that you spent more than $200, they can 'claim' your engine at the end of the race day for $200... you either sell your engine to him for $200, or give up all the points you earned that day. If you spent less than $200, which you were supposed to do anyway, then you shouldn't mind selling your engine for $200, because you can just take that money and buy a brand new engine with it.

Next, I heard that Espo is running for Serpent now, so I'd guess that he does have that new version.

Also, Howard, you can take a look at the results from the last race at Chicagoland R/C Raceway and see that I did indeed pass your NTC3 with my Super Nitro (what else is new?). I also managed to run just as fast as Espo with my Super on the day he raced with us (although he did leave early, so we don't know how that would have ended). Although Espo has said that he doesn't really like our racing surface, I hope he'll come out to some of our races to run with us (I also hope that we can get our surface improved, although I don't think it's THAT bad right now).

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Also, Howard, you can take a look at the results from the last race at Chicagoland R/C Raceway and see that I did indeed pass your NTC3 with my Super Nitro (what else is new?).

Oh, I am so sorry, I think I was wrong again, so SUPER NITRO with BIGGER GAS TANK "IS" considered 200m touring car afterall....... Oh, not to mention, who did tell you to loosen up a the rear diff a little so HE CAN RACE that day...? Hmmm, I forgot his name..........

What are you going to do next...........? .21 engine....? (I was kidding man.......)

[Walt]

I'm sorry to beat up on your poor little NTC3 with my big, bad HPI Super Nitro with a single speed transmission. I'm also sorry that I beat up on your poor little Impact last year at Harper, with it's bigger fuel tank, huge foam tires, big block engine, 2-speed, etc.

I don't want to hear any more excuses when I win a race, so next year I'll have a 'regular' touring car like everyone else (I just don't know which one that will be yet... probably NTC3 though, but re-engineered by me so that there are no 4-40 screws threaded into plastic... I hate that Associated still does that).

By the way Howard, can you make it out to the bowling alley with a Koyosho Mini-z? It would be cool if you did. Those are fun little cars to drive, and real evenly matched (if you leave them stock like mine), so no excuses when I beat you :-)

[Rookie Solara]

Walt.....next year, you are not the only one with NTC3, Jim, John and Neal are there as well with the team factory version.........so, who win or lose....no excuse.

And the Super Nitro..........I will do my best.

No...Winter is definitely the OFF season for me, still have exams to take and wife will never approve any race, btw, I don't have mini-z, just the ABC pocket race, a little bigger, and taller gear, so it is also not fair as well....besides, really need to get back to the house and family.

But we can still talk about the online hobby shop business......have TONY G or yourself drop me a note.

Howard

[Rookie Solara]

Walt, I need your help on the Super Nitro 2 speed clutch setting.....I have no idea what parts do I need to install the Nova Rossi engine on the HPI.....can you help?

Thanks.....Howard

[Walt]

I don't think you'll need any special parts to put the Novarossi engine into the car with the 2-speed (if you even want to use the 2-speed... I've always had better luck without it, and every time I try it, I end up pulling it right back out again).

Anyway, the 2-speed clutch bell should match up to the Novarossi engine no differently than any other engine. The only possible difference you'll need to make is to take out the 'shift point adjustment' setscrew all the way and take a look at the little spring in there. The HPI 2-speed comes with 2 springs, and you'll want the stiffer one in there for the Novarossi engine, or it will shift too soon. I want to say that the black spring was the stiffer one, but I'll have to check my instructions at home for sure, unless HPI has them online in PDF.

[Rookie Solara]

Walt........please tell me you DO have the SG crank MT-12 engine...because non of the HPI parts work on SG crank unless I custom make everything for it......

I think HPI is plug and play.............I am they required more knowledge then Serpent.

Anyhow, I think I will try to make it on 24th since I just STOLE my pocket racer from my brother, and hope I can run some laps with those Mini or Micro (my cars are slow and heavy, but just try to have fun)

And can you please bring your Super so I can take a look......I need to write some notes and start breaking in the engine.

And yes, I will as well get the single speed conversion as well......if you have any Super parts for sell, please let me know...like 1 extra set of single speed, clutch bell....etc


Check your email as well.......

Howard

[Walt]

My engines are all 'standard crank' (like O.S. I guess), so I don't know what you'll need to do for sure to get the 2-speed clutch bell on your engine. I thought you could cut the SG shaft to make it look like a normal shaft, but I'm just not an expert on that stuff.

[xxx mike]

The base of a SG shaft engine is wider than the base on a threaded engine. The stock HPI flywheel will not even make it past the SG shaft threads... I've gone through this too trying to get a SG mt-12 in my RS4. Basically, HPI does not support SG crank motors, so you will need to have the flywheel custom machined or maybe find a substitute. I have a MTX-2 flywheel that looks like it would fit in the RS4 if you repositioned the engine further forward a little.. so that might be the trick, run a different flywheel and make your own engine mounts then reposition the engine. Who knows what it will do to the weight balance, but that is the only way I know of.

All I gotta say is... HA-HA-HA-HA-HA to Howard! No T5 race for you in the super Mr. Howard.... Not like you need the power anyways! (better for us)

[kakolitoy]

I can probably help u out.

I put a nova mega serpent turbo Sg crank on Peter's RS4. If u need pic let me know. Our server will be down tommorrow, so I will send it to u Wed.

U need 3 things and might be some shims.

Wolfpack:

1. Vented flywheel

2. Motor mounts.

3. Lock nut for the flywheel (Serpent will work).

4. If the clutch bell is is far from the flywheel, U might need to put shims behind the collet.

Let me know if u need the pic I will send it to u wed.

[Rookie Solara]

Tony:

YES.......by not putting my Super Nitro Back to EBAY, I will need any kind of help.

I think RS4 and very much the same as the Super Nitro (for the distance)......so if you can mount the Rossi SG crank ont he RS4, I bet there is a good chance to mount it on the Super Nitro....otheriwse, I will be force to sell the T5 to JIM and get a Standard crank engine.....which I don't really want to do that.

Let me know Anthony.

[kakolitoy]

I have 3 pics for u.

This motor is a SX 12 turbo sg crank. The motor mounts I used was the stock HPI (I do not recommend this). I grind this mount I just cannot remmember how much, but the motor sit exactly on the chassis so the flywhell can crank easily.

[kakolitoy]

I hope u can see this. Vented flywheel Wolfpack works better.

Super has more playing than rs4 so S5 should work

[kakolitoy]

This motor is same size as the ff:

RS12

mt12

Rbx12t

Collari x12t

I saw a .21 super nitro, so there shoul be no problem putting a .12 in the Super.

Hope this helps

[Rookie Solara]

Well, I believe there is a chance .12 will work, but here are my question........

(1) I believed the distance from the 2-speed to the rear belt pulley on the SUPER NITRO is wider then the RS4, if that is the case, your RS4 conversion won't work in SN.

(2) What flywheel are you using......? Brand? and size......?

(3) What clutch bell are you using..........?

(4) I doubt your kits will work on RS4 because the SG crank is still like 1/2" short from the 2-speed........from everyone I've told, you MUST use the OFNA extension kits to extend the crank so the clutch bell gears can reach the 2-speed.

Now........what is the best Standard crank engine for SN...? RB? Nova Rossi (not sure those standard crank engine from Nova are fast at all)...........

:(

[xxx mike]

Howard, we know the MT-12 kicks arse and you can buy that in a standard shaft. The RB X12, MT-12 or maybe the Sirio.. nobody I have seen has run the Sirio, but many people are saying it's fast.. and you can get it with a threaded shaft. Besides, you beat us all with a CV-R. You really don't need some super high end engine in your car... seriously. Suspension setup and good Hong Kong driving SKILLZ will keep you ahead of us for a long time to come.

BTW, are you racing a TC3 still next year for 1/10 or are you racing a Serpent?

[Rookie Solara]

Mikey.....yeah, I will run the NTC3 next year, but I got the information that the NTC4 is coming.....not sure it will be totally different then this NTC3 but it worth the waiting...

I think YOU should get a real TC for next season if you want to hang with us.....even the HPI lover WALT is getting the NTC3, and that should be your sign.

And I am the only person that dropped the SERPENT and get a HPI Super Nitro JUST FOR FUN......not to mention I just got that car and created LOTS more problem then before.....stupid me:mad:

[Walt]

Howard: I'll be running either my MT-12 or Novarossi RS-12 in my Super Nitro next year. They are the same engines I've used this year. Either would suit you fine.

If I were going to buy another engine right now, and I wanted to get something a little different, I'd get one of the RB engines. I've got an RB big block .21 in my buggy, and I really like it. I'd like to give one of their small blocks a try. I think I'd still stay away from the turbo plugs though, just because those plugs are so darn expensive.

Any of the Novarossi built engines are a good bet, in my opinion, but there are some lemons out there (my first RS-12 was a piece of garbage until I replaced the piston and sleeve, and it's still not nearly as good as the other two Novarossi-derived small block engines I've owned).

On a similar note, I was looking at the RB Concept line of engines last night, and noticed that they have engines with the 'normal' crankshaft and 'Serpent' crankshaft, which I expected, but their 5-port .12 engines have what they call either the 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft. So, does anyone know what a 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft looks like?

I thought maybe they were talking about the type of glow plug, but they clearly have another spot where they list the type of glow plug. Only their 5-port engines are listed as 'turbo' crankshafts, while some of their 3-port engines are available with a 'turbo' plug but the regular crankshaft. My guess is that the 'turbo' crankshaft refers to some type of machining that is done on the counterbalance area of the crankshaft, and does not mean that the crankshaft looks any different on the power take off end.

And, is anyone besides me sick and tired of the overuse and abuse of the term 'turbo'? A turbo is an exhaust driven super charger, period. 'Turbo' plug or 'turbo' crank don't make any sense, and why the heck does my PC have a turbo button??? It doesn't even have an engine! Why don't they just call these things what they are. And why do some Honda's I see on the road have 'Real Time 4wd' written on them? What does that mean?... now I'm just ranting (and kidding)

[Walt]

RS4 verses Super nitro, Howard:

I forgot to mention, the distance from the engine to the rear axle is the same on the RS4 and Super nitro. In fact, all the drivetrain parts are interchangable between the two cars including all the belts except the long front belt which is longer on the Super Nitro.

If the Orillo brothers could get the engine into a regular RS4, the exact same method will work for the Super. Everything back there is identical except the length of the a-arms (and dogbones).

[kakolitoy]

"So, does anyone know what a 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft looks like? " by Walt.

Walt there are some difference in how they made the crankshaft. I know for u it does not matter becuase any top end motor will work for u because of ur great experience in Rc racing.

I run the RB x.12t (5port serpent turbo crank), the way they machined the motor was a lighter than standard crank. In fact, I like writing notes in all of my engine so I know which engines is the fastest and reliable motor. Now, this motor has a new edition Modified Rody which has a lighter cranshaft (Claims faster than the serpent turbo crank). In all of the motors I own in .12 (RB x12t, Novarossi RS 12 S3, Picco, Collari x12t, Nova mega sx 12 t) they are all fast, but in my experiment Collari x12t was the fastest. I am just not sure why, this is the motor that RAy Goff use in his Kyosho V one r. I did the experiment 4 times just to make sure that my experiment is precise. I use the same car and same clutch. All motors were al new so they have the same mileage. However, I realized power is not everything unless if u r a well experienced Rc racer. I know if u do this experiment u will stick to the facts because u can really drive.

Regarding on the RS4 w/sg shaft.

The parts I use were:

stock hpi motor mounts (I machined it and grind it)

Vented flywheel

Serpent Clutch , and flywheel lock nut.

2 5/8 flanged, and 1 5/8 round bearing

Hpi 2 speed clutch bell.

That is all the parts Howard, nothing more nothing less. However, if ur not sure if u want to do this, the best way is just to sell ur S5 and just get a standard Rs12 crankshaft.

[kakolitoy]

" I doubt your kits will work on RS4 because the SG crank is still like 1/2" short from the 2-speed........from everyone I've told, you MUST use the OFNA extension kits to extend the crank so the clutch bell gears can reach the 2-speed. " by Howard.

I know its,to see it to believe it. I do not need to prove it to u because i know this car run really fast. Fast as in the car is hard to control. IF u remember Albert's motor this is the same motor. Everything I put in the car worked, even the Hpi clutch bell work for the serpent impulse clutch shoe. I still don't get it. I showed u a pic and still doubt on it. Well, I was trying to help and give u and idea that is all. Thanks for the appreciation.

[Walt]

OK, then regarding the crankshafts, it sounds like you are confirming my guess, that there are internal differences between the regular and turbo crankshafts, but externally (where we hook up our flywheel and clutch bell), they are no different. That's good to know.

Changing the subject, are any of you considering getting one of the 1/5th scale cars for next year? We started getting a good turnout of 1/5th scale guys toward the end of the year, and from what I've heard from those guys, they are planning on coming back to a lot of races next year. I'm starting to think about getting one. They are pretty cool, and look like they'd be a lot of fun to drive.

[kakolitoy]

" I doubt your kits will work on RS4 because the SG crank is still like 1/2" short from the 2-speed........from everyone I've told, you MUST use the OFNA extension kits to extend the crank so the clutch bell gears can reach the 2-speed. " by Howard.

I know its,to see it to believe it. I do not need to prove it to u because i know this car run really fast. Fast as in the car is hard to control. IF u remeber Albert's motor this is the same motor. Everything I put in the car worked, even the Hpi clutch bell work for the serpent impulse clutch shoe. I still don't get it. I showed u a pic and still doubt on it. Well, I was trying to help and give u and idea that is all. Thanks for the appreciation.

[kakolitoy]

Hey how do u do that, How did u reply only on the article I just gave u, u did not go all the way down. Which button do I need to hit?

Anyway, I was about to buy an Fg competition. The last race in Tinley changed our mind. Not to offend u, the track is not big enough for a 5th scale. The only track that close that I can run those cars is in Racine WN. I know they are a lot of fun and I get can get the best deal out there straight from Germany. I know 1/5 is cheaper than 8th scale when it comes to racing. Its just it will be traffic jam in ur track. I sold 2 8th scale from 2 guys in Tinley. I am hoping I can push more people to race w/8th scale.

Are going to fix the asphalt for next year?

[Walt]

I agree that the track is 'just barely' big enough to run 1/5th scale cars. Plus, it is only just barely big enough when I set up my 'wide' tracks (25 foot minimum track width as opposed to my 'normal' tracks, which will be 15 foot minimum track width).

Even so, the cars seemed like fun to drive, and the guys racing them said that they felt there was enough room for them to race. The bigger problem they had at that last race was the cold... they could not get their tires warmed up. In fact, even with the full 5 minutes of warm up and then the 5 minute race, they said that their tires were just barely getting up to temperature at the very last minute of the race. Since they had no traction, they couldn't get their cars to turn, and that made the track look too small for them. On warmer days, they can run the track much better.

As for the asphalt, we're still talking with the bowling alley owner about that. Here's the issues. The lot is not too bad for RC racing, in fact, although it 'looks' like it's pretty bumpy, I never really noticed any problems driving on it with my cars... none the less, it could definitely be much better. We could try to convince the bowling alley owner to repave that lot for us to have better racing, OR we can try to convince him to put down a permanent, RC racing only, paved track on his land out behind the bowling alley. Ultimately, that's what we want to see out there. See: www.linvillehobbies.com for an idea of what we want to build out back.

If we get him to repave the lot now, we're pretty much guarenteed that he's not going to pave a permanent track out back in the next couple of years, but if we just run on the lot next summer as it is, and he sees crowds of 50+ per weekend, and the promise of much more if he puts in the permanent track, we might have the permanent track by the end of next year or for the 2004 season, but only if he didn't just spend a bunch of money on a new lot just for us.

We're still working on estimates of how much these different options will cost. If anyone out there works for a paving company or has connections to a paving company, let us know.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
On a similar note, I was looking at the RB Concept line of engines last night, and noticed that they have engines with the 'normal' crankshaft and 'Serpent' crankshaft, which I expected, but their 5-port .12 engines have what they call either the 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft. So, does anyone know what a 'turbo standard' or 'turbo Serpent' crankshaft looks like?

No...it is a typo, I talked to RB on their forum, if you read that page again, they double printed the TURBO twice......so there is no TURBO crank, it is standard and SG(Serpent) crank.....but both of those engine are Turbo...and yes, Turbo is Turbo plug, like their 7 port or my RS-12 T5 Turbo plug engine.......and no, there are no TURBO "TURBO" engine........

Originally posted by Walt
And, is anyone besides me sick and tired of the overuse and abuse of the term 'turbo'? A turbo is an exhaust driven super charger, period. 'Turbo' plug or 'turbo' crank don't make any sense, and why the heck does my PC have a turbo button??? It doesn't even have an engine! Why don't they just call these things what they are. And why do some Honda's I see on the road have 'Real Time 4wd' written on them? What does that mean?... now I'm just ranting (and kidding)

Yes, they should called their engine "FAST" "FASTER then normal" "Super FAST" "CRAZY Fast" instead of Turbo......because I did not see any Turbo boost, boost guage and blower mounted on those engine......go figure.

[Rookie Solara]

And yes........Anthony is correct. the "Turbo" crankshaft is different then regular crankshaft, they have some special areas cutted out for the weight and for the port issue, but I was talking about the name "Turbo CRANK"....there are no such thing is Turbo crank.....because it is a given, everyone should know the port, piston/sleeve, crankshaft of TURBO engine are slikely different the regular engine.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
[BI know its,to see it to believe it. I do not need to prove it to u because i know this car run really fast. Fast as in the car is hard to control. IF u remeber Albert's motor this is the same motor. Everything I put in the car worked, even the Hpi clutch bell work for the serpent impulse clutch shoe. I still don't get it. I showed u a pic and still doubt on it. Well, I was trying to help and give u and idea that is all. Thanks for the appreciation. [/B]

Anthony, please don't get touchy, with the pictures you posted, how can say that it was wrong or incorrect...? No way, but it MUST be something you are missing and didn't explain correctly.

This is your list.....

(1) Stock hpi motor mounts (I machined it and grind it)

(2) Vented flywheel

(3) Serpent Clutch , and flywheel lock nut.

(4) 2 5/8 flanged, and 1 5/8 round bearing

(5) Hpi 2 speed clutch bell.

Items 3, 4 and 5, I have no problem with that, those are given, nothing special.......the problem I have are the stock HPI motor mounts, did you drill new holes for the engine..? Or using the OEM 4 holes, the factory setting...? Please verify.
Then.....Vented flywheel........if you look at typical HPI flywheel, there is a OFFSET (standoff) on each one of them, you can compare them with Serpent flywheels or any other flywheels, HPI are much deeper on the stand off, and that is the PROBLEM.

From the picture, and you mentioned, those are the Wolfpack vented flywheel for .15 or .21 conversion......because .15 and .21 are LONGER on the engine body itself, that STAND OFF are not required, but again, I am using small block .12 engine, I need that stand off.........I tried the HPI flywheel, after enlarge the hole of the flywheel in order for it to slide thru the THREAD at the shaft, i have no THREAD left of the flywheel lock nut......at least, not for the Serpent type flywheel lock nut, or I can just use a 5mm locknut instead of the Serpent one, you have to open your clutch up and verify that.

On top of that, there is NO WAY the SG crank are long enough for the clutch bell, almost everyone I talked to need to use the OFAN crank extension to accomplish that....did you use that.

The reason I think the RS4 gearbox/engine dimension is NARROWER then the Super Nitro RS4 is because you didn't mention you used the high offset flywheel (like HPI one) and the OFNA clutch extension....

Take a look at my pictures between my MT-12 and the gear box, and you should know what I am talking about....you must have something forgot to mention, like spacer, o-rings.....etc.

Also, Walt said the SNRS4 is exactly the same as RS4.....if that is correct, I really need to know what was missing here..? Or my MT-12 SG crank is totally different then your SX-12...?

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed01.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed02.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed03.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed04.jpg

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Hey how do u do that, How did u reply only on the article I just gave u, u did not go all the way down. Which button do I need to hit?

At the lower right hand corner of EACH post.....there is a "QUOTE" button, use that, and you can quote the specific post/paragraphe of that specific POST.

[Walt]

Could it be that you have to use that third set of elongated engine mounting holes that are closer to the middle of the chassis? The long engine mounts you have don't look like they would allow that because they would hit that intermediate shaft mount, but the little HPI stock mounts would clear it, and were used by kakolitoy.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
Could it be that you have to use that third set of elongated engine mounting holes that are closer to the middle of the chassis? The long engine mounts you have don't look like they would allow that because they would hit that intermediate shaft mount, but the little HPI stock mounts would clear it, and were used by kakolitoy.

Negative, the engine itself won't allow me to use the 3rd hole.....the front belt rear pulley on its way.

And that's why I think the wolfpack adjustable engine mount might work cause that will allow me to shift EAST/WEST direction, and that might help.

Again, you sure the distance between the engine mounting point to the 2-speed are the same between RS4 and SNRS4?

[Walt]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Again, you sure the distance between the engine mounting point to the 2-speed are the same between RS4 and SNRS4?

Well, I'm 90% sure... I'll double check and let you know, but I do know that I use the same exact plastic parts for both, so the only possible difference would be the location of the holes in the chassis for the engine. That 'could' be different, but I doubt it, and if that is the only difference, I would think that you can just make your own holes for mounting the engine.

[Rookie Solara]

The more I look at Tony's picture, the more I can see on that blue flywheel, I can see it is like HPI one, with a long STAND OFF......do you agree?

Yes, I want you to measure the holes that you use to MOUNT your engine (from the bottom) to the 1st gear (single or 2-speed, don't matter) and see both car are the same or not....

From what I know right now, I have only 2 solution, either SHIFT the engine closer to the 2-speed or have a LONG extension on the shaft of the engine.....no other solution else.

I am sure I am not the first one that did the SG on Super nitro, it must be something I am missing......and Wolfgang himself just mailed me a conversion (prototype) for me to try, and I will let you know.

There is a slim chance that I can keep the T5.........

Almost forgot, YES, I was looking at RB website last night and planning to get the X12T standard crank for the Super Nitro, if you remember my IMPACT, I was using the X15 worlds for that car......and believe it or not, for 2 years racing that Impact, I never touch ONE single needle setting on that car, not even the idle mixing.........if I am going to standard crank engine, RB is my only choice.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Anthony, please don't get touchy, with the pictures you posted, how can say that it was wrong or incorrect...? No way, but it MUST be something you are missing and didn't explain correctly.

This is your list.....

(1) Stock hpi motor mounts (I machined it and grind it)

(2) Vented flywheel

(3) Serpent Clutch , and flywheel lock nut.

(4) 2 5/8 flanged, and 1 5/8 round bearing

(5) Hpi 2 speed clutch bell.

Items 3, 4 and 5, I have no problem with that, those are given, nothing special.......the problem I have are the stock HPI motor mounts, did you drill new holes for the engine..? Or using the OEM 4 holes, the factory setting...? Please verify.
Then.....Vented flywheel........if you look at typical HPI flywheel, there is a OFFSET (standoff) on each one of them, you can compare them with Serpent flywheels or any other flywheels, HPI are much deeper on the stand off, and that is the PROBLEM.

From the picture, and you mentioned, those are the Wolfpack vented flywheel for .15 or .21 conversion......because .15 and .21 are LONGER on the engine body itself, that STAND OFF are not required, but again, I am using small block .12 engine, I need that stand off.........I tried the HPI flywheel, after enlarge the hole of the flywheel in order for it to slide thru the THREAD at the shaft, i have no THREAD left of the flywheel lock nut......at least, not for the Serpent type flywheel lock nut, or I can just use a 5mm locknut instead of the Serpent one, you have to open your clutch up and verify that.

On top of that, there is NO WAY the SG crank are long enough for the clutch bell, almost everyone I talked to need to use the OFAN crank extension to accomplish that....did you use that.

The reason I think the RS4 gearbox/engine dimension is NARROWER then the Super Nitro RS4 is because you didn't mention you used the high offset flywheel (like HPI one) and the OFNA clutch extension....

Take a look at my pictures between my MT-12 and the gear box, and you should know what I am talking about....you must have something forgot to mention, like spacer, o-rings.....etc.

Also, Walt said the SNRS4 is exactly the same as RS4.....if that is correct, I really need to know what was missing here..? Or my MT-12 SG crank is totally different then your SX-12...?

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed01.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed02.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed03.jpg

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/2speed/2speed04.jpg


Hi! Howard,

Are those engine mounts Hpi stock? If they are keep it.

Now, all u need is a .21 vented flywheel (6mm). Before u say anything try it. The vented flywheel will be the spacer for the clutch bell, so the bell and the spur gears will connect. U might need some shims like what I mentioned before.

It is really hard for me if I do not see the problem infront of me.

Regarding my stock mounts: Yes they are stock HPI mounts for $4. I grined it I just cant remember how much, but I know the mounts ur using if it is HPI, it should work.

We should get together one of these days, so I can see it. I remember putting some shims behind the collet and infront of the lock nut. I have not run and touch my HPi for I think almost a year. The last time I ran it it was really fast as in I cannot control the speed. My Rs4 is really light w/o any modification, when I put this motor, it was really flying. I could see wheelies in a touring car.

BTW: just buy Ofna shims and extension for $5, we might need it. I know in my Philosophy there is nothing impossible as long as u have tools and knowledge!!!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Hi! Howard,

Are those engine mounts Hpi stock? If they are keep it.

Now, all u need is a .21 vented flywheel (6mm). Before u say anything try it. The vented flywheel will be the spacer for the clutch bell, so the bell and the spur gears will connect. U might need some shims like what I mentioned before.

It is really hard for me if I do not see the problem infront of me.

Regarding my stock mounts: Yes they are stock HPI mounts for $4. I grined it I just cant remember how much, but I know the mounts ur using if it is HPI, it should work.

We should get together one of these days, so I can see it. I remember putting some shims behind the collet and infront of the lock nut. I have not run and touch my HPi for I think almost a year. The last time I ran it it was really fast as in I cannot control the speed. My Rs4 is really light w/o any modification, when I put this motor, it was really flying. I could see wheelies in a touring car.

BTW: just buy Ofna shims and extension for $5, we might need it. I know in my Philosophy there is nothing impossible as long as u have tools and knowledge!!!




Howard,

U know what? I did not really pay attention on ur pics. Now I am looking at this great pics and i realized and measured. Everything should fit all u need is the .21 Vented flywheel (Bruckner Hobbies $18 plus shipping). My flywheel was costumized by Orillo racing. Everything looks ok exaclty for the spear gear.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
The more I look at Tony's picture, the more I can see on that blue flywheel, I can see it is like HPI one, with a long STAND OFF......do you agree?

Yes, I want you to measure the holes that you use to MOUNT your engine (from the bottom) to the 1st gear (single or 2-speed, don't matter) and see both car are the same or not....

From what I know right now, I have only 2 solution, either SHIFT the engine closer to the 2-speed or have a LONG extension on the shaft of the engine.....no other solution else.

I am sure I am not the first one that did the SG on Super nitro, it must be something I am missing......and Wolfgang himself just mailed me a conversion (prototype) for me to try, and I will let you know.

There is a slim chance that I can keep the T5.........

Almost forgot, YES, I was looking at RB website last night and planning to get the X12T standard crank for the Super Nitro, if you remember my IMPACT, I was using the X15 worlds for that car......and believe it or not, for 2 years racing that Impact, I never touch ONE single needle setting on that car, not even the idle mixing.........if I am going to standard crank engine, RB is my only choice.


Howard,

The motor u used to use in ur impact is one of the slowest motor that RB made.

Honestly, The .12 Rs12 s1 3 port standard plug is more powerful than ur old RB motor. That Rb is the .15 race 3 port standard plug 30, 000 Rpm. Now I understand why Walt is leaving u all the time w/ ur impact. Besides of the lighter car SN and bigger tank, Walt mastered the driving skills of HPI cars. Do not underestimate the Power Of Novarossi Rs12 is it one of the most powerful engine that made in RC racing. This is I would like to see. Tell Walt to use his MT12 (Remember not the RS12) in his Sn against ur S5 Tc3. In my opinoin, ur car will have more potential than Walt's Sn w/MT12. Walt, does not need 2spd because his motor has 37,000 RPM. 37, 000 RPM in a light car w/o modification w/longer chassi and wider tires than Rs4. This car will really fly w/control.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Howard,

The motor u used to use in ur impact is one of the slowest motor that RB made.

Honestly, The .12 Rs12 s1 3 port standard plug is more powerful than ur old RB motor. That Rb is the .15 race 3 port standard plug 30, 000 Rpm. Now I understand why Walt is leaving u all the time w/ ur impact. Besides of the lighter car SN and bigger tank, Walt mastered the driving skills of HPI cars. Do not underestimate the Power Of Novarossi Rs12 is it one of the most powerful engine that made in RC racing. This is I would like to see. Tell Walt to use his MT12 (Remember not the RS12) in his Sn against ur S5 Tc3. In my opinoin, ur car will have more potential than Walt's Sn w/MT12. Walt, does not need 2spd because his motor has 37,000 RPM. 37, 000 RPM in a light car w/o modification w/longer chassi and wider tires than Rs4. This car will really fly w/control.

See, now you know how to use "Quote" on cyber space...

OK, I appreciate all the help, and yes, I definitely want to see your RS4 and have you to look at mine....how able this SAT...? I can even come to your place....

I just picked up the OFNA shims and extension kits....$6.00 and yes, I got the 2-speed clutch bell connected without too much problem, but without the "SPECIAL" flywheel, I had to use ten 1mm shims as the extension and placed them in front of the Associated collet and flywheel from the NTC3.

I will post a picture tomorrow....that doesn't look as good as your custom flywheel, but I think that works.

Last, you said I should get the .21 vented flywheel from Bruckner Hobbies $18 plus shipping but then you said your flywheel was costumized by Orillo racing......so are you saying these 2 flywheel will work the same? Or the Bruckner flywheel still need modification like what you did...?

If the flywheel is from Wolfgang, I think I am OK.....cause Wolfgang himself just send me a conversion kits that MIGHT work on my RS-12 SG crank......I will see what happen after I received the kits.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
See, now you know how to use "Quote" on cyber space...

OK, I appreciate all the help, and yes, I definitely want to see your RS4 and have you to look at mine....how able this SAT...? I can even come to your place....

I just picked up the OFNA shims and extension kits....$6.00 and yes, I got the 2-speed clutch bell connected without too much problem, but without the "SPECIAL" flywheel, I had to use ten 1mm shims as the extension and placed them in front of the Associated collet and flywheel from the NTC3.

I will post a picture tomorrow....that doesn't look as good as your custom flywheel, but I think that works.

Last, you said I should get the .21 vented flywheel from Bruckner Hobbies $18 plus shipping but then you said your flywheel was costumized by Orillo racing......so are you saying these 2 flywheel will work the same? Or the Bruckner flywheel still need modification like what you did...?

If the flywheel is from Wolfgang, I think I am OK.....cause Wolfgang himself just send me a conversion kits that MIGHT work on my RS-12 SG crank......I will see what happen after I received the kits.

Hi!

My vented flywheel was for a pullstart (5 mm). This would not fit for the sg crank. All sg crank .12, .15, and .21 are all 6mm. If I were u just get the wolfpack .21 vented flywheel from Bruckner. My convertion took me a lot of work and time. Those kits i put in Hpi are all parts that I already used. I do not want to spend more money in HPI because i am not going to race my RS4 anymore. So, I made a lot of experiment and this experiment worked. I did a lot of thinking about this flywheel. However, If i was not thinking about money that day. I will buy the .21 flywheel from wolfpack. Bruckner made wolfpack option parts. That is the missing part u need and i AM SURE HOWARD U MIGHT NOT NEED ANYTHING ELSE!!!!!

[kakolitoy]

I am not sure why I cannot get the link. This is wht u need.

Go to ebay and type this numbers.

http://**************/ws/*******************************1788923356bay

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Negative, the engine itself won't allow me to use the 3rd hole.....the front belt rear pulley on its way.

And that's why I think the wolfpack adjustable engine mount might work cause that will allow me to shift EAST/WEST direction, and that might help.

Again, you sure the distance between the engine mounting point to the 2-speed are the same between RS4 and SNRS4?

Howard,

I found out something again, My S5 novarossi fit in my rs4 w/centax Clutch. For some reason I like centax clutch especially I run 2 spd gears. It is smoother to engage and adjustable whenever u want to change the gear right away or delay. I am just fixing my Hpi rs4 for the challenge next year.

I will take a pic tommorrow. I am just going to make sure it will run ok w/ no problems.

[Rookie Solara]

Hee hee........I told you, centax might have a chance to work...

Now Scott.........can I buy your centax back....? (just kidding)

[acta1]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Hee hee........I told you, centax might have a chance to work...

Now Scott.........can I buy your centax back....? (just kidding)

no ... its already in my car and i am not pulling it out again. :)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Howard,

I found out something again, My S5 novarossi fit in my rs4 w/centax Clutch. For some reason I like centax clutch especially I run 2 spd gears. It is smoother to engage and adjustable whenever u want to change the gear right away or delay. I am just fixing my Hpi rs4 for the challenge next year.

I will take a pic tommorrow. I am just going to make sure it will run ok w/ no problems.

Howard,

the car u saw when I went to ur house were Peter's HPi. My Hpi is a differrent set up. Some serpent parts and Kyosho V one rr parts, and Super nitro parts. I will probably put a S1 ( The first Rs 12 non turbo, Sg crankshaft). I am going to try if the Rs4 can handle the power or if is still drivable. I set up my centax to change in about 2 to 4 sec. I just hope there is enough lock tight in the car. Hpi tends to shake a lot. No aluminum modifications just try to set the car as hard as possible. The way i set my centax is pretty quick and I can do it quicker. I will see today what will happen. The flywheel I use is for the 1/8 or Tc. Impact's flywheel is kind of too small for Rs4, it will work but there is small problems I have about 5 more centax sets from Serpent. I might take the serpent Centax off and use the Kawahara Centax. Kawahara is better bigger bearings 5x10 Thrust bearing. The housing is better than Old Serpent Centax.

[Rookie Solara]

Saw some centax on ebay for $35.......but not from Serpent....just centax with the same design

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Saw some centax on ebay for $35.......but not from Serpent....just centax with the same design

Is it brand new in package. If it is, that is team magic Centx from taiwan. U remeber Sts they have same connection w/Colorado rc. It will work, but Kawahara has wider clutch bell and lighter clutch shoe. U have to see this clutch its really precise. I think this looks like a 2nd edition centax in Serpent because of 5x10 thrust bearing.

[Rookie Solara]

http://www.insiderc.com/index.html

They posted the schedule on their website, and you MUST have cable TV.........I remembered we are on episode #8.....but better start from #1..........

[Walt]

We had a meeting at the bowling alley (Chicagoland R/C Raceway) yesterday (Sunday, November 24th) to talk about our RCNASCAR oval series we plan on running next season. As long as we were there, we decided to set up a carpet track for micros and mini-z's. I brought 3 mini-z's and a few other guys brought their HPI Micro RS4s. Anyway, it turns out that the banquet room is a pretty darn nice place to run these little cars. The carpet surface is in good shape and gave great performance, and the room is plenty big for racing these cars (plus you can order a pizza or other food there, and the room is connected to the bar, so you can get a drink and enjoy it at your pit table).

Anyway, it was so much fun (and so easy to set up... just some garden hose taped down to the carpet) that we decided to hold a few more races to see if anyone wants to race there with us. We'll hold our first 'real' race in two weeks, on Sunday, December 8th. The bowling alley opens at 9am, and we should have the track up by 10am, and start racing at 11am or so (depending on how many people we get). We've also got a big screen TV in there, so if the Bears are playing, we'll have the TV on.

I drove a couple of the HPI Mirco RS4's and couldn't believe how much fun they were to drive, so I had to run out and buy one today (just got back from a trip to Al's over lunch), so I'll have my Mini-Z and a Micro there to race next time.

I'll probably have an extra Mini-z or two there if people want to try them out.

If things go well, we'll start holding races there every other week, or maybe even every week. There is also the possibility of leaving the track set up in there (as long as they don't need their banquet room for anything else) during the week for open practice.

[HauntedMyst]

Any chances of micro/mini races any other time but Sunday?




I don't know about you guys but its been about 2 months since I've raced and I'm starting to feel like an addict getting the DT's.

[Walt]

I was going through that same withdrawal, which is why I'm going to host some indoor micro races.

So, any chances of another day? Short answer: yes. What day were you thinking about?

Setting up a track in there is so easy, I might be willing to do it another day. In fact, the bowling alley owner suggested I do a race on a Friday night, just to see who would show up to it (plus, we'd have a lot of spectators since there are leagues going on at the same time).

[HauntedMyst]

I was thinking a week night like Tuesday/Wednesday or Thursday. I don't even own one of these cars but if there is week night racing, I'll buy one (probably a HPI Micro since I have the electronics for it). All the other carpet racing that I know of is on Sunday or Friday night but with family, those are hard times to do. A week day night is easy for me to make and racing is racing no matter what the size.

[Walt]

Well, that's a good point. Maybe we'll go ahead and pick a week night to hold some races, maybe every other week or something, and see how it goes.

I'll get back to you on that.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
http://www.insiderc.com/index.html

They posted the schedule on their website, and you MUST have cable TV.........I remembered we are on episode #8.....but better start from #1..........

Good thing we have dish

:confused:

[mab_man20]

hey guys.

if we have to have cable what channel is it? I never knew we cable owners got the outdoors channel.

Walt: If you can get a good weeknight i would like to get a micro also.

[HauntedMyst]

Walt,

I got a micro on the way, just let me know what night! From Jan to May, Wednesday nights are the only nights I can't make it. Beyond that, I'm open to any week night.

[Walt]

I can't believe you just said Wednesday nights are the only night you can't make it... Chip from Al's can ONLY make it on Wednesdays... that always happens. Chip probably wouldn't race anyway, so I've got to take that into account.

We're going to run a micro/mini race this Sunday (December 8th) and see how that goes, and then decide what we'll do from there. I'd like to do a week day evening race personally. I've just got too much going on during the weekends, but I can spare a week day. Plus, as someone pointed out already, there are other racing opportunities on the weekends.

I'll let everyone know what we decide.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by mab_man20
hey guys.

if we have to have cable what channel is it? I never knew we cable owners got the outdoors channel.

Walt: If you can get a good weeknight i would like to get a micro also.

No.....I've got mistaken on Outdoor Lift Network (OLN).....but the Inside-RC show will be on OUTDOOR Channel.......and is on Satellite DISH network ONLY..............not even digital cable.

So we need to relied on those dish ppl and see they can record those show for us......

About the mini........that is the only car I've got, but I think it can run with Micro (just slower).....weekday night time is GOOD.......Sat and Sunday is NEVER good.

[Walt]

So, Rookie will race too if I pick a week day evening... week day racing is looking better and better.

Also, I've got Dish Network... just remind me when these shows are on (remind me that day, or the day before), and I'll record them and bring tapes to the races... we can watch them on the big screen while racing the micros and minis.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
So, Rookie will race too if I pick a week day evening... week day racing is looking better and better.

Also, I've got Dish Network... just remind me when these shows are on (remind me that day, or the day before), and I'll record them and bring tapes to the races... we can watch them on the big screen while racing the micros and minis.

http://www.insiderc.com/airtimes.shtm

That is the link of the airtime........eastern time I think.

First show is on 12-30-2002 Monday.......and please tape them all

[kakolitoy]

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[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
First of all, for all chicago racers. If anyone is interested for a Brand new digital camcorders pls. let me know.

I am selling a brand new canon z45 nib for a lesser price than ebay, bestbuy, Ccity, or any appliance store.

The camera goes for $600 to $650 plus tax. I am only selling for $430.

Now, u cannot miss any race. U can record any race u want to.

I have been using and taping some of my race including the 2002 endurance race and this camera do all the job. Do not miss this deal because I am posting this on ebay on Friday.

[mab_man20]

Rookie: How much do you like the integy set-up station? Is this (http://secure400.automatedshops.com/cgi-bin/ams/shopzone30.cgi/~wfp16353/st_prod.html?p_prodid=1886&p_catid=11&sid=2dODWE0X8FCJ2JU-53102389062.a2) what you have? Im most concerned with how easy it is to check toe and the clearity of the rest of the readings.

Anyone have any suggestions for good ride height gauges? Im eyeing the assocaited, but if someone raves about another, ill think about it.

thanks guys!

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, that is exactly the one I use.....good stuff, but I paid $20 less because I don't have that case........cause you will never need that case, you will never bring that around, you set your car at home, and just bring the car to race......not the entire setup (unless you want to show-off)

Al's sold me one for like $50 last year.....not bad (compare to $90 Hudy one.......cheap plastic and difficult to read those white letering/numbers on clear plastic under sunlights or house lights)

Hey, how much you will charge me to paint a Super Nitro HPI body....? I have a BMW one (like GTP style) and want you to do a black with neon orange flames style like you did to Noel (his IMPACT) awhile ago...?

Let me know, the body was cutted and ready to paint......

Howard

http://www.chicagorc.com/photos/2002/large/10%20(1).jpg

[mab_man20]

Thanks howard. I guess ill get one. (toe is checked the same as the hudy board?)

Check your email about the body.

If anyone else is interested in a custom painted body, let me know.

[LasagnaCat]

Just wondered if anyone here went to/was familiar with Venture Hobbies in Libertyville, their website doesn't have an email contact address. I'm a loooOOOng time offroad guy that's somewhat halfheartedly considering trying onroad. As far as I know that's the only inside/winter track close to Chicago itself. We have a TC3 and an Axis 2 that would be the test subjects, just wondered if there was anything obvious that I would need before I went... If anyone knows anything else that's indoors that'd be great also, the only other thing I know of is a Moose lodge on the south side of Chicago that runs a Nascar style pan car class..

[Walt]

AJ's in DeKalb also runs indoor carpet electric (www.ajsraceway.com). Not sure if they would be any closer to you than Libertyville. I'm also not sure who hosts the better races.

I do recommend that you join the Chicago RC club (it's free). That way you can keep up to date on all the local RC racing events. Check out their web site at: www.chicagorc.com

Also, once it gets nice out again, make sure you race with us in Tinley Park at the Chicagoland R/C Raceway (www.chicagolandrc.com). That's where the 'real' racing is (yes, I'm slightly biased). :-)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
AJ's in DeKalb also runs indoor carpet electric (www.ajsraceway.com). Not sure if they would be any closer to you than Libertyville. I'm also not sure who hosts the better races.

I do recommend that you join the Chicago RC club (it's free). That way you can keep up to date on all the local RC racing events. Check out their web site at: www.chicagorc.com

Also, once it gets nice out again, make sure you race with us in Tinley Park at the Chicagoland R/C Raceway (www.chicagolandrc.com). That's where the 'real' racing is (yes, I'm slightly biased). :-)


Nice advertisement Walt,

How about those people that cannot race on Sundays :(


I hope u will repave the floors next year because I just sold 2 1/8 to a racers that lives in Tinley park.

We will try racing on Sundays, but I know it will not be every Sunday.

Hope u change ur mind to SAt.
:p

[LasagnaCat]

According to Mapquest, AJ's is about 80 minutes away - that's pushing it, Venture is half an hour closer. As it is we've been driving out to Leisure Hours.. same thing, almost too far and it's ridiculously cold in there now because they have everything opened up to try to vent the nitro. A couple things I didn't mention, my wife likes to go for practice days but rarely races ("those racers act like <bleep>, especially the nitro guys" lol). As a result parking lot type 'temporary' races aren't something we'd do a whole lot, and the only day she can go is Saturday - Sunday is bad for both of us. I know Jim from RadioActive has mentioned an indoor (permanent) onroad track, but details are sketchy with that and January is when he said he'd announce details.

I'd already looked at both of those websites, and check both periodically.. For the Tinley track, it mentions A/C 'nearby' - I'm assuming there's not a dedicated pit space then..? I'll be moving somewhere around the Tinly/Bridgeview area so that might become my 'home track' for the offroad at least next year.

Thanks for the input, I was just hoping there might be somewhere closer that's indoor that we could use to experiment without having everything sit all winter.. She'll fight me tooth and nail if I even suggest trying onroad, but who knows.. it could be fun. The last time I ran on pavement was out in Bradley at Marty's R/C in the 80's, on his parking lot that had a wicked downhill slope towards the street. ;)

One last thing.. anyone have a ballpark figure for how often you go through tires with the onroad...? That's assuming it's a properly set up car being driven by a decent driver, not someone that's beating the car/tires to death every time out.. Thanks!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by LasagnaCat
According to Mapquest, AJ's is about 80 minutes away - that's pushing it, Venture is half an hour closer. As it is we've been driving out to Leisure Hours.. same thing, almost too far and it's ridiculously cold in there now because they have everything opened up to try to vent the nitro. A couple things I didn't mention, my wife likes to go for practice days but rarely races ("those racers act like <bleep>, especially the nitro guys" lol). As a result parking lot type 'temporary' races aren't something we'd do a whole lot, and the only day she can go is Saturday - Sunday is bad for both of us. I know Jim from RadioActive has mentioned an indoor (permanent) onroad track, but details are sketchy with that and January is when he said he'd announce details.

I'd already looked at both of those websites, and check both periodically.. For the Tinley track, it mentions A/C 'nearby' - I'm assuming there's not a dedicated pit space then..? I'll be moving somewhere around the Tinly/Bridgeview area so that might become my 'home track' for the offroad at least next year.

Thanks for the input, I was just hoping there might be somewhere closer that's indoor that we could use to experiment without having everything sit all winter.. She'll fight me tooth and nail if I even suggest trying onroad, but who knows.. it could be fun. The last time I ran on pavement was out in Bradley at Marty's R/C in the 80's, on his parking lot that had a wicked downhill slope towards the street. ;)

One last thing.. anyone have a ballpark figure for how often you go through tires with the onroad...? That's assuming it's a properly set up car being driven by a decent driver, not someone that's beating the car/tires to death every time out.. Thanks!



Regarding tires:

I am sorry are u asking for nitro.
If so, it depends which scale

I have

1/10 200mm
1/10 235 2wd or 4wd.
1/8 scale on road

I use foam tires in all of my cars. If u use rubber tires that is another story. I just felt that foam has more traction than rubber and also its a fact.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Regarding tires:

I am sorry are u asking for nitro.
If so, it depends which scale

I have

1/10 200mm
1/10 235 2wd or 4wd.
1/8 scale on road

I use foam tires in all of my cars. If u use rubber tires that is another story. I just felt that foam has more traction than rubber and also its a fact.

just to give u an idea

[mab_man20]

Over at the HobbyTown USA in Oak Park we will be running on saturdays again (good news for some, bad for others :(). We are a member of www.chicagorc.com and will have a page on the site very shortly. It will detail all the cool stuff that will be going on this year (including the second annual nitro/electric challenge). Keep checking the site for info.

Happy Holidays everyone!!!!! :)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Over at the HobbyTown USA in Oak Park we will be running on saturdays again (good news for some, bad for others :(). We are a member of www.chicagorc.com and will have a page on the site very shortly. It will detail all the cool stuff that will be going on this year (including the second annual nitro/electric challenge). Keep checking the site for info.

Happy Holidays everyone!!!!! :)

Hi! Mabman

That is a good thing for some of us. Rookie and I are planning to come back next year because we can race Sat.

BTW: Have u guys run through ur transponders ?

[mab_man20]

We have not gone through the transponders yet, but rest assured that before next season we will have every single one working in perfect order.
:)

we're glad to have you guys out their every week!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
We have not gone through the transponders yet, but rest assured that before next season we will have every single one working in perfect order.
:)

we're glad to have you guys out their every week!

Thanks

we will try to be there every race, unfortunately there is the Tinley raceway which we really wanted to go. The track is big enough for our 1/8 scale and 1/10 235 cars. However, Oak park is a freindly and comfortable track.

No offense, I think the track will be better if the staff get some ideas from another track.

Running time, rules, and organization. One of the track that I think or my opinion that is well developed is Venture raceway in Libertyville (Pls. any Chicago racers that will read this, this my own opinion. I do not intend to offend anyone in my comment). When we had the 2002 endurance race, I felt like I am in a big event race and in a National racetrack. Their organization was great, they run the endurance or 2.4 hours race in a smooth way. I think everyone was happy about the whole enviroment and the organization of staff (considering some of them where participating in the race too). I felt like Venture is a smaller version of the racetrack that I raced last Summer in Nasu36circuit in Japan.

http://www.mytsn.com/events/event.asp?eid=979

This track is there National track. They can hold at least 200 drivers in there track. Very well developed and great young fast drivers.

BTW: I just think sharing ideas will make us grow and have a better freindly race.

[mab_man20]

Thanks for the constructive criticism. I agree that we need a structer time policy and this year one will be in effect. Races will start with or without racers unless a major issue arises (the computer catching on fire, chris having a heart attack, etc. :p).

I am very determined to run a great program that everyone can enjoy. If anyone has a suggestion or something they would like to see, just email or IM me and we can discuss it.

Chicagorc is going to play a larger roll this year, with bigger events (at all the tracks) and prizes at those events (and sometimes just regular race days). All the tracks will be communicating more than in the past to make sure that there are no conflicts of major events, and a minimum of regular race conflicts.

thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Thanks for the constructive criticism. I agree that we need a structer time policy and this year one will be in effect. Races will start with or without racers unless a major issue arises (the computer catching on fire, chris having a heart attack, etc. :p).

I am very determined to run a great program that everyone can enjoy. If anyone has a suggestion or something they would like to see, just email or IM me and we can discuss it.

Chicagorc is going to play a larger roll this year, with bigger events (at all the tracks) and prizes at those events (and sometimes just regular race days). All the tracks will be communicating more than in the past to make sure that there are no conflicts of major events, and a minimum of regular race conflicts.

thanks .

I would like to go back and visit my old hobby shop HT Oak park.
If ud like I will bring two videos (2002 endurance race and clips of the last sept. 7 race HT Oak park, B mAin (U can hear Scott yelling What T F...), A main, the last battery and Nitro challenge). The only problem is the camera is always @ my car or Peter's car. I also gave u a call last Mon. because Peter wanted his body to made by u or Jim (Al's). I would like to give suggestions that I experienced in some other developed track especially in Japan. It might work in HT race. Also, this would be a great practice for all of the racers in Oak Park. Isn't that great if everyone drives like a pro. Competition will be better because u will never know who's going to be the winner.

[Rookie Solara]

Hey hey hey........TAKE A NUMBER, Mike is doing MY SNRS4 and NTC3 bodies FIRST..........(hee hee)

Yeah, Satuarday is always better for me, but I think I will managed to race on SUNDAY when HT is off (since HT still doing the bi-weeky race)......I think that is my only option.

Tony, please don't sell all of your IMPACT, I need to race your IMPACT at Tinley or HTOP.........please give my HPI a chance...

Also, I saw you pick up another RS4.......we are joining us for the HPI challenge next year, right..?

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Hey hey hey........TAKE A NUMBER, Mike is doing MY SNRS4 and NTC3 bodies FIRST..........(hee hee)

Yeah, Satuarday is always better for me, but I think I will managed to race on SUNDAY when HT is off (since HT still doing the bi-weeky race)......I think that is my only option.

Tony, please don't sell all of your IMPACT, I need to race your IMPACT at Tinley or HTOP.........please give my HPI a chance...

Also, I saw you pick up another RS4.......we are joining us for the HPI challenge next year, right..? .

The Rs4 that u saw, was my first car that was 3 years old. I have not touched it since then. I modified the car to a racer 2 and cost me $20 I will use this next year and practice in HTOP. I will run it tommorrow for its fisrt time run after 3 years. Serpent centax 1 did not work well for my HPI. The Hpi 2spd gear box is too shakey. its giving the car some juke. I put the regular clutch back. I use my Kawahara centax from my Mugen Mrx 3 and it work very well, but I rather race my MRx 3 1/8 than my Rs4. I did not buy the 950, I kept my vector V seriesand veteq . I will use that 1/8 in the midwest series in April @ Bradley IL. Howard there will be more 1/8 next year The racers from Tinley bought 2 of my 1/8. Do not worry I will never give up my Serpent stuff. My impact is almost like a 835, not much difference its the same, but get the new centax housing bigger thrust bearing. Howard u have to race Peter's impact next year. I have some videos that Peter outlap u w/ his impact in HT.

[Walt]

I've been away for a few days and missed some stuff.

First, Tinley does not have dedicated permanent pit tables (yet), although we usually do supply tables, they are folding tables from the banquet room of the bowling alley.

Also, we are hoping to repave for next year. We're still getting quotes and nothing is set yet, so don't get your hopes up too much yet, but if we do come through with pavement for next year, it won't be a resurfacing of the parking lot, it will be a permanent, dedicated RC track out behind the bowling alley... stay tuned.

As for tire wear on road, a set of foams will last 2 or 3 days of racing, usually. Unfortunately, with foam tires, as they get smaller and lighter, the car gets noticably faster, so that tempts people to cut their new tires down really small, limiting their life to just one day of racing. I run my tires really big, and put on smaller tires for the 'main' or if I feel I need a little more handling. I usually get 5 race days out of my foam tires.

As for rubber tires, they last a long time for me, but don't work nearly as well as the foam. We're thinking about allowing only rubber tires next year for the Super Nitro class, for those that don't want to spend a fortune on foam tires.

HT Guys: You might want to try out the Alycat race management software that I bought for Tinley. I think it has worked out great, and it only cost $185. I ran all our races on 'fully automatic' mode, so the software called the grids (using actual racer names), started the races, announced the races, etc. I just told everyone that there would be EXACTLY 5 minutes between races, and that the computer would start the races no matter what's happening or who is not ready, and it worked great. As soon as everyone knew there would be a rigid schedule, no one had a problem with it and everyone was ready on time. Plus, letting the computer run all the races left me with enough time to actually race myself, sometimes in two classes. I highly recommend you give their software a try. I thnk everyone that raced in Tinley last year liked our computer system. Plus, it will work with the KO system. You can try the demo version for free. Check out their site at: www.alycat.com

And, regarding the Tinley schedule, we're still planning on racing on-road on Sundays. We know there are a few people who prefer Saturdays, but the majority of our customers prefer Sunday, and there is already a nearby track running races on Saturdays (HT), so we don't see a good enough reason to change our schedule (sorry Orillo brothers... we hope you can make it out often on Sundays).

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
.
Howard u have to race Peter's impact next year. I have some videos that Peter outlap u w/ his impact in HT.

Dude, my SnRs4 is ready.....and please make sure your impacts can run a FULL 5 or even 10 minutes race...not 1 or 2 minutes and the centax blew....

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Dude, my SnRs4 is ready.....and please make sure your impacts can run a FULL 5 or even 10 minutes race...not 1 or 2 minutes and the centax blew.... .

Do not worry, I will make sure it will run better in the summer time. I never make any excuses. The last race in Tinley was our fault. We were not prepared, and try to run as much scales as we can.

I never make excuses I loss the race because I loss the race. Hoping I will be a better driver next time. However, I fullfiled some of my goals.

My goals were to pass JIM, Walt, and u. I did passed three of u in the 2002 endurance race and I am really happy w/ that. I have the video and went last night @ HTOP and showed it to Mike. I hope I can show this for all of the racers that went out there. Just to see Aeron Brooks kicked all of our butts. I was really amazed how he drives tc nitro. Howard this is the guy to watch and beat. This guy is awesom. I watch u, Jim and walt how to drive, its different how Aeron drives. I am not sure why he probably been practicing in that track for along time.

[Rookie Solara]

Oh no......not again.

OK....you passed me.....great. I am no longer the FASTEST in the cyper space......

Bring it on next season dude.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Oh no......not again.

OK....you passed me.....great. I am no longer the FASTEST in the cyper space......

Bring it on next season dude. .


U should have check this before the radio thread. I put this early in the morning.

I know ur faster than me, no doubt. I will just try to hang w/u next year.

[Rookie Solara]

Bring that back here....you are OT over there.....

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Bring that back here....you are OT over there.....


i just asked John, It seems like i cannot find him in the Chicago track.

U started to ask questions and we made it bigger in the radio thread.

[JIM C.]

rookie, kakolitoy may have passed us up during that race, but we ended up ahead at the end:) i cant wait for next season. kakolitoy if you still want my serpent stuff let me know.

[mab_man20]

Walt: Sounds like your going to have quite a program next year! Ill try to make it a few times. Im very glad that we are able to run saturdays, it gives everyone in chicago a chance to race, regardless of their schedule.

I have one question regarding the softwear. For the heats, does it start everyone similtaniously, or does it do an IFMAR start? I would love to use such a program, it will make chris and my lives much easier (expecially chris cuz hes going the computer grunt work :p).

That Aaron Brooks guy was kinda inconsistant, but when he was smooth he was FAST!!!

[Walt]

The Alycat race software will do IFMAR starts or 'all at once' starts for qualifying. It can also handle 'qualify/mains' type racing or 'rounds'. I think 'rounds' make more sense on days where everyone is running in the same heat anyway (kinda makes 'qualifying' unnecessary), so points are awarded for finishing positions in all the rounds, and the overall winner for the day is the one with the most points.

Download the demo (which is actually the 'real' software, it just won't fully work until they send you a small file that acts like a 'key' after you send them some money). The Demo is very good, allowing you to run with every option but a 3 car maximum, or run a 50 car maximum with slightly limited functionality. It's enough to give you the general idea of how it all works.

Like I said before, what I like best is the ability to set up the entire race day to run automatically. You put in how long you want the races to be, how long you want between races, how long you want between rounds, what you want the computer to announce, and let it go. Literally, all I need to do is take the printouts and hang them on the wall after each race. Actually, one user of Alycat said they got around that by making a rule that whoever wins each round of racing must hang up the printout or loose the points they got for that race... not a bad idea.

I also like the announcing. It can call out all sorts of things, but I like to set it up to call out time remaining, leading positions (by name), and it calls out what place everyone is in as their car goes over the line (so, when you are crossing the line, you can listen for a '1st' or '2nd' or whatever place you are in). I thought that was really cool. Some races I'd get a bad start and then listen for the '1st' and '2nd' and then see how far back I was from the line, and see if I was loosing ground or gaining. Pretty nice feature I think.

If you guys are unsure about it, or are looking at other software also, plan on coming on out to one of our early races next season and I'll show you how the whole system works on a real race day. I think you'll be impressed.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by JIM C.
rookie, kakolitoy may have passed us up during that race, but we ended up ahead at the end:) i cant wait for next season. kakolitoy if you still want my serpent stuff let me know. .


JIm I am not making any excuses. We did not have a car for almost 25 min. in the race. I accept were losers and just hoping to be a better driver an team next year. Its ok that is part of racing. That is also good for us, so we can be more focus next time.

RE: Serpent stuff.

U told me u will call and email me back, u never did. I am asking u if u still want to sell ur serpent stuff to me?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I also like the announcing. It can call out all sorts of things, but I like to set it up to call out time remaining, leading positions (by name), and it calls out what place everyone is in as their car goes over the line (so, when you are crossing the line, you can listen for a '1st' or '2nd' or whatever place you are in). I thought that was really cool. Some races I'd get a bad start and then listen for the '1st' and '2nd' and then see how far back I was from the line, and see if I was loosing ground or gaining. Pretty nice feature I think.


Mab_man20:, You MUST have that progame, If not, you MUST be there and check out that system...Walt and Tony G actually just SIT BACK and RELEX the whole race, I believed all they did is push the enter button and the program will run, count, check and print each HEAT and the MAIN........when the first time I saw the system (Walt: at the buggy pre-open race..remember?) that sounds so bad due to the bad PA system......but on the last race of the season with a good PA system, that "Announcing" feature KICK BUTT.........the best part is - GAL......its a SHE who announce the pace, result and names......only hope I wish is they can download different CHICK voice to do the announcment....and I bet somehow everyone will improve their lap time by a second or 2............hee hee.

That program can pronounce any name......and next season, I will use "FABIO" or "J-Lo" to be my user name........that is cool as hell.

[JIM C.]

kakolitoy, i know i told you i would give you a call and i still have your number, i will call you with in the next week or so with what i have and a price, the reason i asked if you still wanted the stuff was because it has been awhile.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by JIM C.
kakolitoy, i know i told you i would give you a call and i still have your number, i will call you with in the next week or so with what i have and a price, the reason i asked if you still wanted the stuff was because it has been awhile.

WELL, the things I like about Serpent cars is most of their parts are intechngable w/ impact, vector, veteq, and impulse. even in the new models. I drive impacts and 1/8 too.

Not unlike the MTx 2, and Mtx 3 totally different car.

[mab_man20]

It sounds like a great system and i would be interested in getting it. Only problem is the cost, maybe if turn out is good for the first couple races we can get it (hint hint guys, tell everyone you know to come to HT next year!!).

Nicknames:

Rookie: A Fabio (A stands for asian)

Kakolitoy: Big bux

Hauntedmyst: Kick --- painter

Walt: F-16

Mab_man: Fill in the blank (I cant give myself a nickname).

fill in the rest.

[Walt]

I didn't think $185 was very much for the software. Most of the other software packages that had similar features cost between $500 and $1000. $185 is a deal.

As for my nickname, ever since I raced in the 80's, my nickname was 'Crash', because a friend of mine used to say that I would drive behind him until I forced him to crash, and then I'd pass him.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
It sounds like a great system and i would be interested in getting it. Only problem is the cost, maybe if turn out is good for the first couple races we can get it (hint hint guys, tell everyone you know to come to HT next year!!).

Nicknames:

Rookie: A Fabio (A stands for asian)

Kakolitoy: Big bux

Hauntedmyst: Kick --- painter

Walt: F-16

Mab_man: Fill in the blank (I cant give myself a nickname).

fill in the rest. .


AS for my nick name.

They call me "Snake." Not because of serpent cars. They called me snake in high school because I used to play a lot of songs from Skid Row. Snake was the lead guitarist.

Big bux does not sound bad.

How did u come up w/ this names especialliy Fabio (souds like F A G)?
;)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by JIM C.
kakolitoy, i know i told you i would give you a call and i still have your number, i will call you with in the next week or so with what i have and a price, the reason i asked if you still wanted the stuff was because it has been awhile. .

JIm I would like to see it today and take a pic so Peter can see it too.
Then call whenever ur ready for ur price.

Do not worry about the cash, If we agreed in a certain price I will pay in that sec. even if it is X-mas shopping season.

Just let me know, I do want to see it. I do not care if I go to ur house ur meet u somewhere.

[mab_man20]

Walt: i agree that $185 is a deal compared to other programs out there. We already have one, so the $185 would be completely extra, more of an option than a necessity.


Again, if we have a good turn out at the beginning of the season we may get it.

As for the nicknames, i was just shooting stuff out there, Rookie wanted to be called fabio, so i just stuck the a there.

[xxx mike]

I think Rookie should be "Y2khai" :p "One Loc'd out Asian"

www.y2khai.com

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I think Rookie should be "Y2khai" :p "One Loc'd out Asian"

www.y2khai.com

WoWW!!!!!!!!!

This is really really funny. This is too fly!

I just think Rookie would not like this.:D

[Rookie Solara]

I saw that long time ago.......and I don't mine you guys called me FABIO or F A G or whatever..........and xxxmike and kakolitoy
, when are you guys going to start a "Chicago OFF TOPIC trush taking forum"......? That is what you guys did much better then racing your own RC car........ :D

Only the LAP/TIME counts.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
I saw that long time ago.......and I don't mine you guys called me FABIO or F A G or whatever..........and xxxmike and kakolitoy
, when are you guys going to start a "Chicago OFF TOPIC trush taking forum"......? That is what you guys did much better then racing your own RC car........ :D

Only the LAP/TIME counts.

Howard, I did not say anything I did not call u F.. at all. I called Fabio the name sounds like F.. not u.

I just asked Mabman where did he get the names. I did not know u pick that name.

In mike's link I just checked it out. I thought it was Rc trucks and buggies jump contest. But it was something I have not seen before.

Sorry If I offended u, Nothing personal Rookie. ;)

[xxx mike]

Yeah, definitly no offense to rookie... I assume the punishment I give him is well taken, it's not meant to hurt any feelings.

Laps times is what matters? How about FINISH THE RACE is what matters huh? How about that one!

haha anyway, you are good driver and a good sport. But next season your gonna be getting chopped down to second or third by my NTC3... and if not, I'll have to hack you to bits and break you car! muaahhahaha

[mab_man20]

Below this line trash talking is not allowed!!!!!!
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[Walt]

How about 'trush' talking? (sorry Howard)

[mab_man20]

Originally posted by Walt
How about 'trush' talking? (sorry Howard)

I dont see a problem with it.

:p

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by xxx mike
But next season your gonna be getting chopped down to second or third by my NTC3... and if not, I'll have to hack you to bits and break you car! muaahhahaha

See, that is just perfect........Mike is going to beat me this season with his NTC3........woo......and he is going to crash my NTC3 just for fun.............

I need to call my mommy and daddy now.......Mike just scare me.......

Grow the **** up and save your money for the NTC3........or at least BUY ONE first before start talking shiiiiit.........

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
See, that is just perfect........Mike is going to beat me this season with his NTC3........woo......and he is going to crash my NTC3 just for fun.............

I need to call my mommy and daddy now.......Mike just scare me.......

Grow the **** up and save your money for the NTC3........or at least BUY ONE first before start talking shiiiiit......... .

Rookie,

try not to say foul words, Steve is very very strict he might kick u out.

Its not going to be fun anymore if Rookie is not in this teck talk. :confused:

This is also for all of us we want to share our ideas, current events, and info. in this tech talk. Just try to relax before typing and saying something in this forum. I do not know about u guys, but I like this forum and everybody so far. I do not want anyone to get boot out in this forum. Besides all of us our Chicago racers anyway.

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, please make sure EVERYONE knows my real name, OK.

I am done in this cyper space BS.............see you all at the track next season.

[xxx mike]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
See, that is just perfect........Mike is going to beat me this season with his NTC3........woo......and he is going to crash my NTC3 just for fun.............

I need to call my mommy and daddy now.......Mike just scare me.......

Grow the **** up and save your money for the NTC3........or at least BUY ONE first before start talking shiiiiit.........


I do have one Howard... I got it recently. I need a power switch and to finish the body, but it's almost ready to go. I am trying to use good stuff for next year and see if I can advance some. I'll probably have to sneak into your pit area and copy your setup, but I will get it going somehow. Quit being such a crabby grouch too.. You should know I'm just joking with you, you know I don't intentionally hack anyone.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I do have one Howard... I got it recently. I need a power switch and to finish the body, but it's almost ready to go. I am trying to use good stuff for next year and see if I can advance some. I'll probably have to sneak into your pit area and copy your setup, but I will get it going somehow. Quit being such a crabby grouch too.. You should know I'm just joking with you, you know I don't intentionally hack anyone.

Nice motor MIke,

mt12?

Nova mega SX12?

[xxx mike]

MT-12 Considered Sirio, but they don't have any reutation yet.. I needed somthing I know will last a long time and run fast. I've been seeing these motors ripping in every kind of 1/10 scale for the longest time... also they are getting cheaper now. ultimatehobbies has it for 139.99

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
MT-12 Considered Sirio, but they don't have any reutation yet.. I needed somthing I know will last a long time and run fast. I've been seeing these motors ripping in every kind of 1/10 scale for the longest time... also they are getting cheaper now. ultimatehobbies has it for 139.99 .

good motor

It does last long. Also, no problem w/ P/s. US should have enough stock of P/S.

I think RB x.12 230 will fit too.

[Serpent Impact]

Serpent 705 (Jan) $ 355
Ntc3 kit RE $ 257
Ntc3 starter $ 75

No tax no shipping if in Chicago(pick up).
no tax other place.

ask for other products

My email : amuiy2k@hotmail.com
AIM : amuiy2k
Yahoo Mess: amuiy2k

[chicago rc]

I kept getting this feeling that Howard was being ripped on and I was missing all the fun. But it looks like he has had enough.

Some updates on chicagorc.com:
- HT OP has joined up with us and will have a page soon (Mike, need the info).

- I will do my best to keep the larger events from conflicting but there will always be some overlap. I like HT OP on Saturdays and Walt running on Sundays. That works well in general. The bigger club races will fall on normal race days but instead of regular races it will be an enduro or a Formula R/C series race for example.

- The web site (www.chicagorc.com) got a facelift about 2 months ago but over the winter I am doing more planning and no indoor racing so updates are minimal. 2003 will bring some new cool features to the site.

- Between Walt's efforts, HT OP getting a race program together, Venture Raceways, and my efforts with the club we should really see some great racing in 2003!

- I will plan a club meeting in January after all the holiday madness is over - FYI

Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[tc3punk]

um, I signed up at chicagorc.com a while ago, and I've never recieved any emails about clubs or whatnot..

I saw that monster truck thing with the truck pulling and freestyle, ect, but I didn't see where it is going to be held:rolleyes:

could you please LMK what the deal is?

email: tc3punk@directvinternet,com

replace , with .

[mab_man20]

chicagorc:

Yeah im getting you the info, im just pritty busy, next couple days, promise.

[chicago rc]

Nick,

You are listed as a club member so you will get any e-mails I send out. People often assume that I send a few mails a week when I normally only send 2 or 3 a month. Now during the winter season I have nothing to update so e-mails have not gone out recently.

The 1st Monster Jam in 2003 will be hosted by Walt's track in Tinley Park but until we have the details 100% nailed down I don't want to note that on the web page. There is enough info there for people to plan for the day, where it is should not matter too much but in your case Woodstock is a haul to TP... It will be worth the drive!

- Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[Rookie Solara]

Come on guys.......Please, please and please........
This is Howard speaking, aka Rookie Solara............it is BACK, the trash talking arena is BACK.......remember a year ago in HPI forum...? When we are in OFF SEASON, it is the trash talking season begins......I just want to start this again in Chicago racing thread, but I think I go a little TOO FAR this one....

Guys, I was just BSing around with absolutely no meaning and no harming to anyone......thats for kakolitoy and XXX mike especially, COME ON, (especially Kakolitory)....it is ME, its not the first day you know me, I trash talking you ON and OFF the track, and you do the same on my ENGLISH and SPELLING (so does Walt)....come on, it is all fun.

Please accept my applogize on this incident......and I will watch my language from now on untill the season begin....as I know, Kakolitoy brothers are ready, and those 705 newbies are waiting for challenge, new comer like xxx mike are getting closer to the TOP (with the NTC3 and MT-12, perfect match btw)......I just can't wait to be MARCH or APRIL now........

And I almost forgot.......CHICAGO RC (Brian) how can I forget you and your ALMOST ONE PIECE mugen.......? Are you getting NTC3 too like me.......? Jumping the boat too.....? Ha ha, welcome aboard, I think next season we will ended up a little A-main NTC3 and B-main NTC3 only classes.........

But till then, what I can only do is..........dusting my NTC3.

BTW, the new RS-12 T5 engine sucks.......so does my new MT-12.....P/S are so freaking tight that my starter box cannot be spin the flywheel.......

I will use my OS instead.......

[mab_man20]

TIme to whip out the heat gun rookie!

As for trash talking, i dont know if any of the electric guys read this, so.......i dont have anything to say.

[Serpent Impact]

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[xxx mike]

He's right about the heat gun! You've seen Kakolitoy doing it at the track... warm up the engine and it will loosen up quite a bit. After you put 10 tanks through it or so it should be easier to start even without the heat.

Your problem might just be your starter box though. I think you were using a dual motor design, which have always seemed weak compared to single large motor. If you have two novarossi's definitly run them. It just takes a little time to wear them in.

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, I think I will look for the NTC3 one, but again, it is a POS single 540 motor........but once I am ready to break in the engine, I will use the HEAT gun and the coreless drill methrod used by OS Rocket.......my other concern - the CONROD are not strong enough to handle the compression..........

I think that is the price to deal with those overpriced engine.....I still love the old MT-12 and CVR.....trouble free.

[xxx mike]

Get one like mine... It has no problem with a MT-12, or even .21's. These big motors are very strong. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAXU5&P=7

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[kakolitoy]

HI!

I'm expecting more 1/8 next year. pls check out race heat round 3. I am really eager to go race my 8th scale outside Chicago again. I need more practice so I can be a better driver, Ur track will be a lot of help for me. Especially if ESPO come back w/ his 8th scales and impacts.



http://www.mytsn.com/events/videos.asp?eid=534

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Get one like mine... It has no problem with a MT-12, or even .21's. These big motors are very strong. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAXU5&P=7

I figured I need something like that, however, starter box like that I have to ROTATE the whole unit 90 degree......did you do that....?

And Serpent Impact: I want a 2003 BMW Z4 for my wife......what is the best price that you can do....? Or S2000......

Ha ha.....suddenly, we have all kind of RC dealer here, nothing but business..........

[xxx mike]

I left my motor sideways so i could still start the losi easily, but its very east to sit the TC3 on sideways and bump it.

[Serpent Impact]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara

And Serpent Impact: I want a 2003 BMW Z4 for my wife......what is the best price that you can do....? Or S2000......

Ha ha.....suddenly, we have all kind of RC dealer here, nothing but business..........


Yod need a body???

[chicago rc]

Yeah Howard I'm jumping ship so give me some NTC3 tips! As for your tight motor my .21 OS buggy engine is still super tight after plenty of run time. I just loosen the glow plug and it fires right up. A heat gun is a pain if you ask me. And for all the trash talkers that were running around like crazy people at the 2.4 hour enduro I say better luck next time. You guys will have your chance to prove how good you are in the 2 man 1 hour mini enduros...

Happy Holidays to everyone. And for Howard I don't know what they do in Honk Kong, maybe put a wooden shoe out and wait for a samuri god to fill it with sushi or something, so Happy whatever that is called to you. Is that good trash talk for the off-season?

Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[xxx mike]

haha good image of a Hong Kong Christmas Brian!

Howard, seriously.. we do need your suspension setup from your NTC3. I'd like to have the same setup to start out with so I can have a good handling car. Everything you could tell me so I can try to copy it :)

[Rookie Solara]

Ha ha ha, oh my god......it is BRIAN and he is back...Please, don't let that CHINESE GUY trash talk stop you.....I can't live without Brian making fun of my race and my English.....ha ha ha....(P.S. Brian is back to the #1 place on my list next year....hmmm hmmm)

About the engine thing......I really need some idea about starter box, I need those 12V big motor type, no more monkey business of those twin 540v motor.....those thing just cannot do the job....Brian, what is the blue one that you have for your off-road?

About the NTC3 setup.....follow the manuel and use the FOAM setup, that one is a great starting point, then I just play around with oil and springs, which I need to get some from Team Assoicate (still running Serpent Springs)......but again, with those Nitro shoes foams, I think any suspension setting with work, only different is how good that will make on your foams - I mean if you do a good job, your foams should last longer, otherwise, the rear foams will shaved like SAND PAPER does....

OK....one day to x'mas and I hope everyone have a great x'mas and a great new "RACE" year......HO HO HO.....

Oh BTW, we ppl from HK used to laugh at some big fat WHITE PPL that dressed up like a SANTA because it is 80 degree over there now.....and never understand why white ppl do that in HK. We believe BUDDA in X'mas in HK, not SANTA............YO YO YO

[kakolitoy]

To anyone whos intersted,


WE would like to host a race online.


Reqiurements:

1. Cable, DSl, or any faster connection than dial up. U can use dial up but its not fair to u. Dial up is really slow.


2. Duratrax Real race 2.


We will set a date and just email me and I will give u the our server's adrdress. I think We only race 8 people @ a time, so pls. email me 2 days before we set the date.

It work in our local network w/ 5 racers, and one of the racers were from the Phillippines.

Real race is a fairly good simulator a good practice while waithing for summer.

thanks

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I left my motor sideways so i could still start the losi easily, but its very east to sit the TC3 on sideways and bump it.

Mike......exactly WHICH model of the OFNA starter box that you are running....? My concern is when I have my NTC3 sit on top of the box (the wheel/motor is still in the default position like you stated...) will the REAR wheel of the NTC3 rubbing against the starter box...?

There are 2 models of OFNA are running with those 12V motor...

http://www.ofna.com/images/start-1.jpg

and

http://www.ofna.com/images/start-3.jpg

Which one do you have...? I am not so sure about the first one, the box is too wide for the NTC3....

[Serpent Impact]

[i]

And Serpent Impact: I want a 2003 BMW Z4 for my wife......what is the best price that you can do....? Or S2000......

[/B]


You need a body??

[Rookie Solara]

Dude.........I was joking, and I was talking about a REAL new car...Not RC car (wife's jeep lease is almost over, need a new car)

But can you quote me the above 2 starter box...?

[chicago rc]

Howard,

I have found that the twin 540 motor's can usually do a good job even with a tight motor as long as they have enough juice. The (2) 7.2 volt packs really don't do the trick. Use a freshly charged 12V car battery (not a little girly battery from a Toyota Solara, that won't work) or a gel cell that they sell at the hobby shop.

On-line race sounds like fun, I need to buy the software though. I will let you know if I do so I can get in. I finally have a DSL line too!

- Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[kakolitoy]

I need some suggestions from any racers that wants to race online.

We decided to make the tracks that is the same set up in all Chicago race track.


We made a track that is the same set up as Tinley park (last race). We also made the floor slippery and little bit bumpy.

Also, we made a track same as Venture race way Off road and on road.

How long do u wan to run the heats and the main.

heats: 7, 10, 15 min.

Main 15, 20, 30min.


Start w/ off road or on road?

2wd or 4wd?

Any ideas would be great

thanks


Hope everybody had a good Xmas.

Xmas is fun because I get more RC stuff for free :D

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by chicago rc
Howard,
Use a freshly charged 12V car battery (not a little girly battery from a Toyota Solara, that won't work) or a gel cell that they sell at the hobby shop.
- Brian
www.chicagorc.com

Ohhhhhhhh, my god, you see guys, that is TRASH talking with CLASS.............I bet my little Solara battery generate more AMPS then your little SOCCER MOM Ford Explorer.........hee hee

Brain, do you think I should update the MOTOR (to hgh torgue like 19 turns) and use Gel cell 12V 7-8ah battery will help...? To be honest, my rebuilt MT-12 P/S is so tight that I can't even spin with a Torque cordless drill.......any idea...?

[mab_man20]

Rookie: loosen up the glow plug a little, as soon as it starts tighten it back up.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Rookie: loosen up the glow plug a little, as soon as it starts tighten it back up. .


U don't need to loosen the plug for a .12

I also have a ofna w/ dual 540 motors and a 12 volt battery. This is the box I use for my 1/8 scale cars, and I use sepent starter box for our TC and impact .12 RB 310 5 port, RS12 S1 and S5, Novarossi Race .15, RB x15 t Collari modified. This box w/ dual 540 motors and 12 volt battery will crank anything even my Rb c5 modified Collari and Nova mega .21 evo5 Micheal Salven both brand new .21 motors. The C5 Modified Collari is one of the hardest to crank. .12 especially Mt 12 would be easier as long as u have the 12 volt battery and charge it for @ least 10 hrs.

Also, I have the Ofna Blue starter box w/ the single motor. I used this box for my Monster trucks. The only thing I don't like about the single motor is, its heavy especailly w/ the 12 volt battery which has some weight too.

I usually charge it overnight, and I can use it all day. Even the next day the 12 volt battery still have more juice in there.

[xxx mike]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Mike......exactly WHICH model of the OFNA starter box that you are running....? My concern is when I have my NTC3 sit on top of the box (the wheel/motor is still in the default position like you stated...) will the REAR wheel of the NTC3 rubbing against the starter box...?

There are 2 models of OFNA are running with those 12V motor...

http://www.ofna.com/images/start-1.jpg

and

http://www.ofna.com/images/start-3.jpg

Which one do you have...? I am not so sure about the first one, the box is too wide for the NTC3....

Rookie, I have the narrow pink one. Somtimes my engines do get locked up from too much after run oil, or flooded with fuel and loosening the plug a little bit does help to get them fired. If Kakolitoy has never had to loosen a plug, well... I guess he has been blessed directly by Buddah or somthing.... I have a dynamite dual motor box and it's nowhere near as powerful as the ofna box... even on the ofna, sometimes the motors still get locked and need that compression relief.

On the pink box, the rear wheel does not touch the box at all.. it hangs off the side. I can see right down through the flywheel hole in the chassis and lining up the wheel/flywheel is very easy.

[kakolitoy]

[ If Kakolitoy has never had to loosen a plug, well... I guess he has been blessed directly by Buddah or somthing.... I have a dynamite dual motor box and it's nowhere near as powerful as the ofna box... even on the ofna, sometimes the motors still get locked and need that compression relief.


Mike, what kind of batteries do u use in ur dynamite?

If u have the 12 volt battery in ur Dynamite and still get stock in ur MT12, there is something wrong.

My ofna is the pink but it has the dual motors in there. That is the one u saw in the last race in Tinley. U took a pic of Peter using that box. I have the 12 volt battery in that box. As long as u charge that 12 volt for @ least 10 hrs. u should be ok.


Note: I never loosen a plug for a .12 However, I did loosen a plug for a .21 and .15 especially .21 Modified motors.

BTW: When I break in motors especially .21 modified motors. I always put @ least 5 to 10 drops of Kortz two cycle oil on the piston before I crank the flywheel. I always lubricate fresh Piston, sleeve,and rod by removing the plug and moving the flywheel (not all the way).

This is not blessing from Buddha or from something Mike , its
knowledge and common sense :)

Cranking the motor w/o any lubrication may cause some problem in ur motor. For instance, it takes about a second or two seconds for the fuel to reach the carb. That means ur cranking the motor w/o any oil or lubrication. It may cause small particles of the brass metal to fall off the sleeve and that pieces of Brass may cause the lock of the Piston and Sleeve by taking space around the Piston. Get the point!!

[xxx mike]

I never leave my engines sit after race day without after run oil. Usually I drip about 5 drops down the carb and 5 down the glow plug hole, put the plug back on and tap the flywheel on the starter box. The battery dynamite is a 7ah gell cell, and the one in the pink single motor box is a 12v gell cell, and it's fairly big.. I got it from a interstate batteries dealer where they have every size sold, and got the largest capacity battery that would fit in the box. It works good, but still sometimes the engine gets liquid locked and needs to be loosened a little. The last time I had one apart was the truck CV-R after about 2 gallons of fuel was through it and it was in very good shape. Definitly no pieces of metal floating around in my engines.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
I never leave my engines sit after race day without after run oil. Usually I drip about 5 drops down the carb and 5 down the glow plug hole, put the plug back on and tap the flywheel on the starter box. The battery dynamite is a 7ah gell cell, and the one in the pink single motor box is a 12v gell cell, and it's fairly big.. I got it from a interstate batteries dealer where they have every size sold, and got the largest capacity battery that would fit in the box. It works good, but still sometimes the engine gets liquid locked and needs to be loosened a little. The last time I had one apart was the truck CV-R after about 2 gallons of fuel was through it and it was in very good shape. Definitly no pieces of metal floating around in my engines. .


That's good to hear, but I am talking about breaking in the engines. The thing I don't understand is why u still get lock after two gallons of fuel for a .12. Two gallons of fuel, that is enough to wear out (not totally wear out) the crankshaft pin that connects to the rod. Ur motor should not lock again especially O.S. motors. U mentioned oil locked, that never really occur to me because I never use after run oil.

One reason I never use after run oil is because they tend to mold inside the motor especially if the car will sit for a while. That is the same concept in the Lawn Mower (I keep my lawn mower ina dry warm place). Every Winter I always make sure that there is no gas and oil in my Lawn mower. The oil builds up mold in the long run. I think that is the reason why I never get oil lock.

I use the brake cleaner after racing. It really works for $2 in Murray or Pep boys. It called Super X Break cleaner (It will leave no residue). I take the plug, the airfilter and spray the motor. If u want to try this solution try to remember do not spray any electronics even ur wire for ur servo. This chemical really takes rust of the break plate of a real car. Its too strong it will burn ur battery pack, just try to spray the motor only. Its ok if u hit the plastic and chassis.

BTW: This is my opinoin, it proven to work for me. I have a lot motors from .12 through .21. I even Break Noel's Top Novarossi RX 21 race and RB x12 t 5 port 310 brand new that U saw couple races in Tinley park. Anyway, I always take care of my .21 and .15 motors because my .21 runs about $420 each and my .15 runs about $300 in the U.S. I am not a good driver, but u saw my cars and work well in track except the last race in TInley.

[Rookie Solara]

If you guys remember, I have a pink (2) 540 motor OFNA starter box right now......do you guys think upgrading the power sauce to the 12V Gel Cell 7 or 8ah output battery will BOOST UP the power of the rubber wheel....?

I wish I can bring the motor to you guys, this MT-12 (after squeezing)......is almost IMPOSSIBLE to spin, but I check everything inside, nothing wrong, but just TOO MUCH compression in it....

[xxx mike]

I dont think that upgrading the battery will be enough, but I don't really like the dual motor boxes.. i prefer the single large motors. I've never had one squeezed before, so I don't know how tight they get. I assume that even if you put in a shorter plug or extra head shim that the p/s will still be extremely tight just because of the pinch that was put into the sleeve... if you think about it though, adding a shim or a short plug should still reduce compression a little bit. Putting in some after run oil might help too, since ARO is thick and heavy it might lubricate the tight metals better? I dunno... I've not experienced anything that tight yet. Maybe the guy that squeezed it went a little overboard?

[Walt]

Time for me to chime in here. First, I agree with Mike. There are some 'bad' Novarossi engines out there, and it's nothing more than the luck of the draw to avoid getting them. I've owned 4 Novarossi .12's in the last year, 3 of them were great right from the very beginning, and one was a piece of junk. It acted exactly as Howard is saying. It was SUPER tight, and would get locked up at top dead center EVEN if you heated it with a blowdryer, and even if you carefully lubricated it, and even if you loosened the glow plug. It was possible to get it to run, but it always ran like garbage. It would run very hot, idle irratically, was way down on power, and got horrible fuel mileage. I sent it back in to Novarossi (Parris Racing actually) and they said it just needed to be broken in some more. Bull. I had over a gallon through it, and it was still acting up. I took the piston and sleeve out of it myself and was able to measure that the sleeve was out of round with my own cheap digital micrometer, and those things are supposed to be within very tight tollerances.

I am convinced, that engine was a lemmon. There are a lot of 'average' Novarossi engines out there, but there are a couple of 'excellent' ones out there, and a few pieces of junk too. It's luck of the draw. By the way, I have since replaced the piston and sleeve in that engine, and the jury is still out on whether or not it's better (I have not really run it that much yet).

As for the starter boxes, I've got two of those Ofna narrow boxes, one with the motor mounted side to side and one with the motor mounted front to back for the two different styles of cars. I really like the box. However, if I were starting from scratch, I'd get one of the Tower Hobbies extra heavy duty airplane starter motors (huge!) and build my own custom box. It would be cheaper than the Ofna box in the end if you count my 'free' labor, and it would be very cool. Just an idea if you've got some woodworking or sheetmetal skills.

[Walt]

That 'Inside RC' show is supposed to be starting on Monday on the Outdoor Life Network (according to the link posted here a while back), but it still does not show up on the Dishnetwork interactive program listing, nor does it show up on the Outdoor Life Network web site program listing. Anyone know what's up with that RC show? I want to program my sat. receiver to record all the episodes, but I can't figure out for sure when (or even 'if') it's on.

[Rookie Solara]

Thanks mike and walt.....and yes, I did remember your CASE, and that is almost the first thing I can think of, however, this time is not Nova Rossi problem, I send the P/S to OSrocket for them to recondition my old P/S, but I think this time is a little over board....I think I will have him to loosen up a little for me so I can start the engine.

But besides that, my new RS-12 is very tight to start as well, but I don't think it is that tight like this MT-12......no matter what, I think getting a BIG 12V motor start box is the way to go....will see.

Walt....no matter what, tape all the RC show if you could....if I remember correctly, the Chicago show is on episode #8 (according from what the director said on that day).

BTW, happy new year everyone......and good luck racing.

[Walt]

At the last minute, the electronic program guide changed to properly show 'Inside RC', so I guess that schedule was correct. I did record it, and I set my receiver (TiVo-like) to record all of them. I watched the show yesterday, and although you can tell that the production quality is low, it is an interesting show. It's just nice to see a show, ANY show, dedicated to RC. The first episode was about boats (which covers sea planes for some reason). The strangest thing about it, in my opinion, was to see RC related commercials. Some of them were very cheesy, but some were well produced.

See you guys in the new year.

"I have no idea what a 'sugarplumb' is, but I've got visions of RC racing dancing in my head"

[Rookie Solara]

(10) Brand new Team Associate NTC3 sealed in box for sale.....I have a friend can get them cheaper then retail and want to see anyone here might take advantage or not......I have only 10 now, so first come first serve.

Kit #2031 - Rear exhaust (non-pull start) NTC3 - $255.00 US

Kit #2030 - Side exhaust (non-pull start) NTC3 - $255.00 US

No shipping charge, cause you need to pick it up from my place.

Accept ONLY Paypal, Money order and Cashier check, no COD or personal check please......thank you.

Please email me for ANY kind of question, and I will have more other kits (Serpent, HPI, Yokomo...etc) for sale in the future, so if you want something beside NTC3, please let me know too......

Email me direct at rookiesolara@hotmail.com

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http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/ntc3/newkit02.jpg

Thanks for checking my post..........Rookie Solara

[mab_man20]

Rookie: You need to decal that flame body and email me pics so i can post them!!

It looks good with those rims.

How much do you want for one of those reamers?

[Serpent Impact]

Associated Factory Team Body Reamer $18.00
DuraTrax Ultimate Body Reamer $20.50

[Rookie Solara]

I would strongly recommand this dynamite reamer (I forgot that one is dynamite or Duratrax)......but that really give a good circle cut on the body.....

Make sure to get the ROUND shaped one, don't get those STAR shaped one....they did a very bad cut.

[mab_man20]

Yeah i hate those star reamers.

Has anyone heard from chicagorc or know where he is? I sent him a a few emails over the last 2 weeks and he is usually very prompt.

thanks

[Walt]

I talked to Brian (chicagorc) yesterday, so he's around. We're trying to hammer out dates for the Monster Bash and some enduros next year.

Is it summer yet???

[Rookie Solara]

Lets bring out our TC now.......it will hit 50s today, so it is SUMMER for today........then it will be 30s tomorrow and 20s friday/Sat and snow (back to winter).

My SNRS4 is ready with no engine.......I will use my BMX to power that, but still, should be able to hit 5 mph.........and that should be good for 5 hours endurance race, right...?

Lets roll.......only have 5 more hours of DAY LIGHT left.

[chicago rc]

Mab_man - Last e-mail I have from you is 12-3-02? I made a page for HT OP and you guys are listed on the home page under Featured Tracks now in case you haven't been to the site recently. You need to send me info still.

A club e-mail will go out next week to talk about things going on in 2003. Dates for the Monster Jam and 1st 2.4 hour enduro have been set (May 10th & May 25th).

- Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[mab_man20]

Chicago rc: check your email.

[Rookie Solara]

mab_man20......are you guys able to do SUNDAY races or still SAT for this year...? Please advise........

[mab_man20]

We are happy doing saturdays again this year. Yes we lost a few guys, but a few others were able to make it. I like being able to offer a racing program to people who cant race on sundays.

[Rookie Solara]

Gee.......I thought I can no longer racing on SATUARDAY from now on......the way I like the HTOP Sat race is I can manage to race on SUNDAY at Tinley when HTOP got their off week.......

So HTOP.......start getting the schedule and start up the website.

[wrxdan]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Gee.......I thought I can no longer racing on SATUARDAY from now on......the way I like the HTOP Sat race is I can manage to race on SUNDAY at Tinley when HTOP got their off week.......

So HTOP.......start getting the schedule and start up the website.

No Sundays for me. I'm at HTOP all the way.

[mab_man20]

Thanks for the support guys! Fred is currently working on the schedule and hopefully we will have it shortly. I email brian all the stuff and he should have it up any day now and we will add stuff to it as soon as we get it.

Dan: Are you still interested in the Delphi spec class?

Brian: since my emails never seem to get thought to you, i sent all the info on sunday (thats what the first "check your email" message was about) please check it again because i have questions regarding the 3 points of interest.

[Rookie Solara]

Mab_man20.........sending email to BRIAN is your first mistake, because everytime you said you emailed him something, he will stop by the local post office and check for mail....thats why he never got your mail......:D
Please have FRED donate a brand new HPI Savage or something else for the total point leader at the end of the season, I might not be the one, but at least that will attrack more ppl to race on SAT......you know, FRED are loaded with all those business at HTOP.....I don't mind if he donate his old SUV for the winning price...

Dan......grab your daughter and wife and race with us at TINLEY on SOME SUNDAY........because those are the BIG BOYS are.

Brian....come on, I didn't pick on you for so long, and so do you, please say something or I am going to take over this forum.

[Nexus]

just skimming the past threads...

are most people here Nitro guys?
i looked at the ChicagoRC website and only saw info and race series for Nitro cars.


what events are planned for Electric stock touring if any...thanks.


Nexus (new racer)
Team Primitive
http://www.rcnchicago.com/~nexus1/

[mab_man20]

Nexus: Unfortunalty a lot of the guys around here are nitro guys.

The good news however is that last year i got back into electric TC and cant figure out why i ever left. Its just so much better than nitro!!

I am one of two race directors at the HobbyTown in Oak Park (the info for our track will be up soon pending brian ever gets my emails). We run electric touring cars at every race and have a few fast guys (after reading your website im sure myself and a kid we all call Mikey should be able to keep you on your toes). We will be running 19T spec motors this year (most likey the orion element, which the store will sell for just over cost). I know you are looking for stock, but we feel that a 19T will give a little extra speed, will cut back on motor wars, and cut down the cost to win. I see all of these as benifits and i see no reason to pass it up because its not stock.

I am bugging brian (chicagorc guy) to include the championship series info for the electric cars, which I guarentee will be part of the series!


I hope to see you guys around this year (at any/all of the tracks) and i look forward to racing you!

[mab_man20]

odd.. i could have swore i posted here a while ago in response to rookie's comments. Oh well here goes again.

Were is brian? He used to post a lot and i would get responses the next night to my emails. What happened?
Brian if your reading this, you need to be around more, you are representing us and its a hassle to have to wait 2 weeks just to hear that you didnt get my email.

As for rewards, we will have some cool stuff for the points leaders this year. We are going to run 2 points series this year instead of only 1 like in the past. If we do give something away like a savage, I would like to give it away as a raffle, or drawing so anyone in attandance has a chance, not just the best drivers.

Dan: are you still interested in the delphi spec class?


Everybody: Email brian asking for the info for the Oak Park hobbytown. Hopefully it will be up soon.

[Walt]

Nexus:

I'm the race director for the Chicagoland R/C Raceway in Tinley Park. We have always had enough electric touring car guys turn out to our track on Sundays to have a full field. We let the 'majority rule' as far as whether they want to run stock or modified. In the past, they have wanted to run 4 minute races, mod.

Generally speaking, as long as 3 or more guys want to run the same class, we'll run a class for them. If you're available on Sundays, check out our track... I'm sure you'll have a good time.

www.chicagolandrc.com

-Walt

[kakolitoy]

Venture race episode #5 is on today.


Inside RC



Everyone that has dish its on


channel 153 outdoor channel 4:30 this afternoon.


Hope everyone will enjoy the show!!! :)

[kakolitoy]

Venture race episode #5 is on today.


Inside RC



Everyone that has dish its on


channel 153 outdoor channel 4:30 this afternoon.


Hope everyone will enjoy the show!!! :)

[chicago rc]

Mab_Man - I have yet to receive any e-mails from you. I reply to my e-mails usually within hours, 24 hours worst case. I get e-mails at brian@chicagorc.com all the time, try my yahoo e-mail pcandrc@yahoo.com or call me 847-269-0224. Please don't complain about my response to an e-mail I never received. Oh yeah, my fax is 847-628-0451. I am pretty reachable one way or another. Try again and let's get your page fully updated.

As for you Howie 'Lo-Main' (That's the class below the D main where you will be qualifying the most this year, and it's my favorite chines noodle), I am here and not ready for you to be trash talking all by yourself. Did you still need me to put that trailer hitch on my car so I can tow you across the line this season, at least you will get to say you finsished a race for a change.

Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[Rookie Solara]

Oh Brian......thats the attitude I want to see, RC Chicago will not be the same without you and me fighting for the King of DNF or DNS title......and this year, hopefully we both have a new cars to compete, and this time, I will not let you trash talk me into the Lo-Main contest and the KING of DNF and DNS will be MINE once again....ha ha ha...

Anyhow, wake up and smell the coffee, we need to you say something once in a a while............

Mab_man20, I finally got some pictures of your nicely done body of my SNRS4...of couse, how can I leave my body STICKERLESS and CARBONLESS...? You will love that and please host them onto your RC BODY website...

I will post pictures tomorrow when I get back to my office...

[chicago rc]

Hey guys, I need some feedback on the Formula R/C series. The idea is to take existing scheduled race days at the various tracks and designate them a Formula R/C event which will earn you points in the series. A prize for the series winner is being worked on now (I am making a monster truck out of toothpicks), it will be a car kit hopefully or something similar.

Can you look at the rules - http://www.chicagorc.com/formularc and point system and see what you think. I am not changing the qualifying method, it will be fastest lap made in 2 minutes. (3) 5 minutes quals takes all day and you just risk breaking before the mains, I would rather be racing for points once I made a few fast laps. Feedback please.......

- Brian

[Rookie Solara]

Mab_man20........the SNRS4 body that you did can be find here.

P.S....Mab_man20, on your gallery page, the last page with Noel's Serpent IMPACT body......Serpent spell "SERPENT" not "SURPENT"...update that please.

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/newbody/

Post them onto your body site and hope those pictures can sell.

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/newbody/P0003668.JPG

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/snrs4/newbody/P0003681.JPG

[Walt]

Nice Super Nitro. I'm going to have to have some bodies painted up for this summer too so people will notice my Super Nitro (assuming that they wouldn't already notice it because it's the fast one... he he).

I recorded and watched the Inside RC episode yesterday. I thought I saw Howard in it at one point (were you even there?), but it's the Orillo brothers who actually made it onto the show to say a few words and have their names given.

[Rookie Solara]

Yeah, I was there with SCOTT and ALBERT......anyhow, I assumed you got your DIVO and taped those shows, right...? When summer gets close, I would love to take a look and see how many seconds I was on TV...hee hee

Yeah, you REALLY REALLY need a new body, you know those dirt or gress sticked underneath the LMR are considered ILLEGAL @ HPI challenge this year, right...?

Anyhow, did you see the awefull schedule of HPI challenge this year...? I think the only one I can join is the one from Michigan, 4.5 hours of drive is OK......what about you? I know Scott and I are ready for some Challengen action, since they have no problem of my SG crank engine MOD and the 2-speed clutch, afterall, if they have problem, I also got a SINGLE speed (like you) for $5 from Ebay last month just INCASE.

[kakolitoy]

I recorded and watched the Inside RC episode yesterday. I thought I saw Howard in it at one point (were you even there?), but it's the Orillo brothers who actually made it onto the show to say a few words and have their names given. [/B][/QUOTE]


We were suprise too. They interviewed about 15 people and one of the guy said that our line were edited.

[Nexus]

mab_man20:

if you guys do set up a stock or spec motor series for electric we would definitely be interested.

can't wait for the summer outdoor season.


right now our team is 1st and 2nd in the Novice sunday points series at Venture Raceway.

[mab_man20]

I would like to start off by making an announcement!!!

Please turn up all hearing aids!

I have had some trouble contacting Brian recently, but we are currently working on the problem and opening up the lines of communication. He has been able to get everyone elses emails so i guess im just special. Please do NOT blame Brian or think anything negative regarding him or the chicagorc club due to this technical difficulty.

Thank you.

Rookie: Thanks for posting the body (and for catching the spelling mistake). I posted under the other thread.

Nexus: We will be very happy to have you. I hope you also get a chance to make it out to Walt's track.

Brian: How hard would it be to include an electric TC and Super nitro class in the Formula RC series??
I know Walt and I both run these classes, and it shouldnt be to hard to get venture to add Super nitro to their schedule.

Let me know if you want me to write up some rules. Could we run the formula series in a heat format instead of the 2 minute qualifying. It will hard to run a normal day of racing for people in non participating classes if we are doing the 2 minute qualifiers (it is still a cool idea).


Thanks

[Rookie Solara]

Please get the SNRS4 in the point series.......PLEASE........

Rules....I can help for rules, #1, NO CHINESE racer allowed..(Hey, I am a LEGAL AMERICAN 7 years ago), what I can do is look at the rules and give some opinion.

Mab_man20, do you think I can get the SNRS4 in the body painting competition.....? hee hee.........

[kakolitoy]

I hope impact and 8th scale car can be in the point system TOO!!

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Nexus
mab_man20:

if you guys do set up a stock or spec motor series for electric we would definitely be interested.

can't wait for the summer outdoor season.


right now our team is 1st and 2nd in the Novice sunday points series at Venture Raceway.


U guys have to try to race at Tinley. If u race w/ ESPO u will really feel the battery TC challenge. ESPO just won the National A master last few months ago driving his X ray ev 2. If his there racing he is the guy to watch.

[T-Racer]

:D Hi guys
Its Me Tony G finally decided to join the forum and have fun bashing Howard (Only Kidding Howard) :D remember every Wedesday night bring out your hpi Micro and race at Tinley Park Bowling Alley. Look on www.chicagolandrc.com website for directions.

[Nexus]

"...If u race w/ ESPO u"

ESPO?? what/who's that?

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Nexus
"...If u race w/ ESPO u"

ESPO?? what/who's that?

I raced w/ espo w/ his impulse pro, hell of a driver.

But Espo is even better in Battery T.C.

Espo is a serpent driver, u might not like the guy but u will like his driving skills.


U can ask T-racer he would know.

If u realy want to see Espo drive, we will be in the 2003 midwest series.

There is going to be one in Bradley Il, and Racine WN. We will racing our TC and 8th scale. U will even see more champions like Brian Berry (Ifmar world champ), Don Jones from Chicago, Josh Cyrul, Mark Beckker and many more u might even see Aeron Brooks from Venture. I know this guys will beat the hell of us but it would be the experience to race w/ them.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by T-Racer
:D Hi guys
Its Me Tony G finally decided to join the forum and have fun bashing Howard (Only Kidding Howard) :D remember every Wedesday night bring out your hpi Micro and race at Tinley Park Bowling Alley. Look on www.chicagolandrc.com website for directions.

Oh gee........I cannot believe TONY G is still around, I thought since the BEAR SUCKS this year, he decided to move to TAMPER and be a BUCS instead.....

Anyhow......you still own me the NTC3 Carbon shock towers Modification Clips that you promised me a while ago....where are they now?
Please email me, I need to have 2 orders.......

[T-Racer]

Howardddddddd

The magical powers of Tony G has cast a spell on you. COLOR=red]You will not win another race this year no matter what you drive.[/COLOR] :p :confused: about your parts they are getting made and you will have them before the season unless your out running now just for practice. You need all the help this year to beat my partner Walt and Me.

By

Mr T

to you

[Rookie Solara]

Oh, big old TONY....Please get those COLOR THING right......and this season, you MUST do better then last year, don't froget, I was running that OS CVR engine....and you still trying to HANG with me....I am not sure about WALT (well, we all know he is one tough guy to catch)....but TONY G, I am all yours, and bring it on.....

Let me know when you get the parts....RcBoyZ were bitching about you guys NOT sending them these stuff.....

[Nexus]

please keep me posted on what is happening w/ spec or stock racing at your tracks.

team primitive would like to go to as many different tracks possible and race with different people.

:)

[T-Racer]

Hay Rookie

OLD? BIG? COLORS? How about your spelling on last post "Frogot"
HA HA :confused: I have put a Sicilian Spell on you. Races you will not win. Why don't you come on Wedesday night and race. I have a rent-o racer for you.

Tony G

[chicago rc]

I have made some updates to chicagorc.com. Walt's Super Nitro Review has been posted, HT Oak Park info is posted, and the official date for the 1st 2.4 hour enduro in 2003 is set - May 25th hosted by the Chicagoland R/C Raceway in Tinley Park.

The Chicago R/C club is going to be a simple $10 fee for 2003. I thought having a $20 fee that would be given back to those who made it out to the races was a good idea. It was but it is too hard to manage. So you can renew your 2002 membership or become a new member on-line. Just go to http://www.chicagorc.com/club/club2001.html for all of the details.

Brian
www.chicagorc.com

[mab_man20]

Thanks brian! It looks great!

[xxx mike]

Do any of you Chicago R/C parts peddlers have the serpent shock set (909440) on hand, NIP? I need a set and would like to pick them up monday night if possible. email me or PM if you have them, and what you are charging for them.

[MartinFan]

Hey TC guys...mab_man20 invited me to post a FYI that the electric Touring Cars will be running a class at Venture during the final jewel of the Triple Crown of Short Track Oval March 2nd (Doors open @10AM - 1st Race @ NOON) being held at Venture Raceway in Libertyville Illinois.

The race will be sanctioned by STORM R/C Motosports. For more info on STORM and the Triple Crown you can go to www.stormrc.com

Hope to see some of the superstars of the Illinois TC circuit.

[xxx mike]

nevermind on the shocks. picked some up from serpent impact. Thanks. mild here in chicagoland this morning, makes outdoor racing feel like it's just around the corner! I can't wait.

[kakolitoy]

If any of ur favourite rc products are in the pic. Pls. let me know.


I have 2 more Serpent 705 NIB in stock. email me before this 2 kits goes to ebay. Its very hot!!!

thanks

[T-Racer]

Hi Guys

Another wednesday night of Micro racing has pass. With 19 drivers showing up for a exciting evening of racing. So Remember Wednesday Night at Tinley Park Bowl racing and Race Talk. Even Howard is Invited .

kakolitoy how much you want for those 705 serpents


Tony G

[Rookie Solara]

T-Racer, do you think you can hook me up 2 set of those carbon shock tower clips for NTC3 by 16th for the Daytona 500? Thanks......

And thanks for inviting me for racing.....I thougth everyone hated me because I just learned how to trash talk ppl...........:D

[Walt]

Howard, we don't hate you for trash talking, we're proud of you for just spelling 'trash' correctly (used to spell it 'trush').

Tony delivered my NTC3 to me on Wednesday night, but it's still in the box! This is new for me... usually I've got a new R/C car built at most 2 days after purchasing it, usually that night. I guess this is one of the ways being a dad is going to change my life... takes longer to build my new R/C cars (at least until he's old enough to help me).

I also bought a piece of fiberglass so I can try making my own pan-car style micro chassis. Now that some fast guys are showing up on Wednesday nights for micro racing, I can't keep up with my stock chassis car. However, just like with the NTC3, I don't know when I'll actually find the time to build anything anymore.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by T-Racer
Hi Guys

Another wednesday night of Micro racing has pass. With 19 drivers showing up for a exciting evening of racing. So Remember Wednesday Night at Tinley Park Bowl racing and Race Talk. Even Howard is Invited .

kakolitoy how much you want for those 705 serpents


Tony G

HI! Tony,


I usually sell them for $350 to $355. Those kits were both sold out to 2 guys from Tinley (Don and Phil). I charged them $380 because I specail order the kits just 3 days and I have to pay international rates (Kits were not from Serpent USA) . It was
really fast but it was a lot to pay for shipping. I have few more kits coming from my source. I am expecting my next shipment hoping next week. If u need some stuff like the one in the pic let me know and I will email u for any results. Most of the stuff in my pic are really hot in this moment. I cannot even believe that they do run out of stock especailly serpent kits and Novae mega MS motors.

[T-Racer]

Rookie (Howie)

Your are a PITA. Ask me later what that means later. The parts are being made by a guy who told to take his time because in making them because there was no hurry because the warm season is not here and there would be no need of them. They take about 2 seconds to install. Oh yes I would like you to be there on Wednesday night racing your Mirco Car. Bring some friends to race too.

Tony G

[mab_man20]

I finally got to race this sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YIPPIIIEEEEEEEE

I headed over to venture for some indoor carpet action and it was a good time (not as good as out door down at HT Oak Park. hehe).

I raced with the super stock guys and aaron brooks. The guy is quick! After some initial set up problems (its my first time on carpet, give me a break) I was able to finish with 24 laps in 5:11. In my mind thats pritty good because Aaron finished with 27 laps, and im WAY out of practice. I will be out there again in the coming weeks to try to better my time.

[Rookie Solara]

Thats great........at least, you had a chance to touch your radio and dust off the TC.............my NTC3 are 100% ready and already been more then READY collecting dust.

Are you still running the TC3 at Venture or the X-ray.....? I forgot....

Anyway, can't wait to get do the Nitro/elect challenge again this year.......

[mab_man20]

Im still running the tc3, haunted has the x-ray and the tc3.

This year you are going down!!!! We are messing with the rules so we dont get as many people hacking...uh i mean "blocking" the leaders as they come around.

Probly something like first gets 10pts, second 9 etc... so you cant just have 1 guy race and 2 block.

[Rookie Solara]

Wow.......who's was blocking you last year...? Man, you can't pass the guy in front of you and you called that BLOCK.....?

Come on.......more rules....? No team works? Or we must use 6.0V Gel cell battery on our Nitro TC just to be fair....?

I was just kidding.........whatever that is, you are not going to pass me this year no matter what......:D

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Im still running the tc3, haunted has the x-ray and the tc3.

This year you are going down!!!! We are messing with the rules so we dont get as many people hacking...uh i mean "blocking" the leaders as they come around.

Probly something like first gets 10pts, second 9 etc... so you cant just have 1 guy race and 2 block. .

What do u mean blocking!!!

U guys were the first one that blocks especially the orange battery car. WE just figure it out after a min. run. We did not have any intentions of teamwork at all. Also, u guys were yelling no Marshals. Then when we started all 3 of us nitro got hit in the wall. I am not making excuses, but in my opinoin we got screwed because u guys have reverse and nitro does not (How lame is that, I am not making this up I got this on a video). I just think that before we start racing again U guys should check the transponders first and make sure that its working great, not right I mean in great working condition.

We will be ready for this season. We will be prepared for the TC Nitro Battery challenge. I will make no excuses if we lose. Just hoping for great racing. I do not care what u guys do, but we will be preparing for that day.

BTW: Any schedules yet, Ask Fred if u guys can have site. Site will be great for all the racers in Oak Park.

[mab_man20]

man did i hit a nerve!!!!!!!!! :p (all comments are made in good humor)

Im going to talk to fred tomorrow and he has been trying to get in touch with the lot owner. We will have the schedule, the points standings, and all other relevant info on chicagorc.com through out the spring and summer ( general info is posted on there now).

As for the challange, I wont name names, but a certain nitro car failed to turn as i was going around the outside of them, pushing the rear of the car way off the line (yes i was "passed" the driver when contact was made). At the time i was only about 15 ft behind Rookie.

Reverse???? :confused: :confused: No one has/had reverse in the race. All transponders are currently in perfect working order.


This year we will require everyone to use the transponders in all races. I know this is a problem for serpent drivers due to the placement of the reciever, but it is easily remedied with a small lead, or y-harness which can be installed before coming to the track. If a transponder is not installed we will count manually to the best of our ability. However, our lap count is the final count, period. We will also post lap times for each heat.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
man did i hit a nerve!!!!!!!!! :p (all comments are made in good humor)

Im going to talk to fred tomorrow and he has been trying to get in touch with the lot owner. We will have the schedule, the points standings, and all other relevant info on chicagorc.com through out the spring and summer ( general info is posted on there now).

As for the challange, I wont name names, but a certain nitro car failed to turn as i was going around the outside of them, pushing the rear of the car way off the line (yes i was "passed" the driver when contact was made). At the time i was only about 15 ft behind Rookie.

Reverse???? :confused: :confused: No one has/had reverse in the race. All transponders are currently in perfect working order.


This year we will require everyone to use the transponders in all races. I know this is a problem for serpent drivers due to the placement of the reciever, but it is easily remedied with a small lead, or y-harness which can be installed before coming to the track. If a transponder is not installed we will count manually to the best of our ability. However, our lap count is the final count, period. We will also post lap times for each heat.

Hi! Mab,

If u think U hurt any fellings, just to be clear u did not not hit any nerve@ all. If u feel that I hurt ur feeling PLs. accept my greatest apology. This is what I like about this forum we have a freedom of speech. All of us has different opinion in all the races and experienced we had. However, that is good because we always have something to look forward to. All of us wants to win. I just think these is a great challenge for all of us. At least next time we race again it will be more challenging than last year. In this kind of event, this will make us to learn, grow, and most of all more competetive than before. Do not get me wrong, we like HTOP. We will support HTOP racetrack. This is my first local track I learned a lot in this track. Great people and racers!!

Re Transponders: Like what I said we will be prepared. There is no problem putting the harnes on the car. Even our impacts, and 8th scale are ready.
I have a small pic hope u like it :)

[mab_man20]

kakolitoy: I was not offended in the least. I thought it was funny that you and rookie both jumped all over me about the blocking.

:p


Great to see you guys all set and looking forward to making it out for another season at HTOP!! I cant wait to see everyone back out on the track.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
kakolitoy: I was not offended in the least. I thought it was funny that you and rookie both jumped all over me about the blocking.

:p


Great to see you guys all set and looking forward to making it out for another season at HTOP!! I cant wait to see everyone back out on the track. .

Yeah!!


HTOP has a great and freindly track even from the drivers!!

The only thing I am really concern of are the transponders. Last year one the racers that race a YOKOMO GT4 burned his battery pack and some more wires (Good thing it did not hit the servo and receiver). The cause of the burn was the transponder wires. The wires were open about half of the wires. That is kind of scary to me because most of us put a expensive servo, and receivers in our car. Also, last year when we were racing our 8th scale. There were 2 8th scale left and a Super nitro. The super Nitro stalled couple times and even the person who was in the computer knew that the Super hit a lot of boards then stall. That person that was in the computer knew that I was in the lead. Anyway, I finished the whole race and I only had 12 laps and the second 8th scale only had 14 laps, while the Super Nitro that stalled couple times and did not even finish the race had 22 laps. Transponder were in the car. To make my story short, u know what is going on last year. I am just hoping that if we prepare and do our job having a harnes wires ready. I just hope that the transponers will work the way it should be.

[Serpent Impact]

I had 6 705 instock now.
http://niktin.com/Ebay/705/IMG_0802.JPG http://niktin.com/Ebay/705/IMG_0801.JPG http://niktin.com/Ebay/705/IMG_0800.JPG

[mab_man20]

To often people simply throw the transponder in their car and let the wire hang loose. This allows it to rub the belt or worse the ground. This was the case in the unfortunate instance with the GT4. The person who used the transponder before him installed it carelessly and the wire got frayed as a result. We thought long and hard following that incident to come up with a way to prevent it from happening again. The result was our system of placing your car on the table so we can remove the transponders (unfortunately people still did not bring their cars to the table). At the end of the year a disproportional number of transponders died on us for unknown reasons, forcing us to do everything manually most of the last race day.

This year we have a few new "rules" in place that will insure the longevity of the transponders and wires (a similar system was in place last year, but not strictly enforced). After a race everyone is expected to immediately place their car on the designated table and take up a position for marshalling. We will then remove the transponders and inspect each one to ensure that the wires are not frayed. The next race will then start exactly 4 minutes after the end of the previous race.
If a wire is frayed or a transponder breaks as a result of improper installation/use the culprit will purchase the damaged wire or transponder and we will replace it with a new one (we will have the wires for sale if anyone wants to have their own). We understand that a transponder can simply stop working so only in blatant cases will we "sell" the transponders.

We hope that this system is not seen as evil, but as a way to make everyone's racing experience better by eliminating faulty transponders and frayed wires. It should also help get people to marshall. :)

[xxx mike]

I just purchased a personal transponder. It seems worth it to avoid the retarded headaches of using plug-in transponders. Seriously, not to bash on HTOP, but that system sucks. Most modern tracks use the AMB system, which you have to admit is much more user friendly and less hassle. When summer comes back around, I will race at htop again, so I got my own transponder to avoid yours. They are $55, and as long as it works, the saved time and trouble is worth the money to me.

The only thing I didn't think of until now, is if the AMB personal transponder will work on your counting system. I sure hope so. :/

[HauntedMyst]

The system worked just great for 2 years and really only experienced problems with the last race of the season and then only because of user error - people simply weren't taking care of them, either to plug it in correctly or secure the wires. Yes, the ABM system is less hassle, but it was also twice as expensive. The shop simply couldn't afford the ABM since the racing program barely pays for itself.

[Walt]

I've read somewhere about how other clubs are using the Propo timing system. Basically, they are having the people who race purchase their own transponders... not a big deal since I hear they cost less than $15. You probably don't have to go to the extent of 'making' everyone purchase one, but why not just allow people to purchase their own if they want? Guys like Kakolitoy have many thousands invested in their cars... I'm sure they'd be willing to spend $10 or $15 on their own transponder so they wouldn't have to mess around with the hand out ones anymore. They would still have to change the crystal inside if you can't sort their main in such a way that they can keep their number (the KO system can only recognize 10 or 20 different crystals, from what I understand, depending on which one you bought). All they'd do in that case is 'swap' the crystal they have with one of the track crystals to get onto the right number.

I'm going to try to find where I saw a good explanation of how another track was using the K.O.'s and pass it along to you.

[Walt]

O.K. Found it. Here's what I read another club was doing. This is from the Alycat forum (Alycat is the software we are using to run our races, albeit with AMBrc hardware instead of K.O., but the software will handle either).

Quote:

What we have done is when someone signs up for a club membership they are
given a TD-1 as part of the deal. The TD-1's are only $15US. The club has
20 TD-1's that we use for non-members and swapping crystals to solve number
conflicts. All members have at least one TD-1 so there are 80+ TRansponders
distributed among the club and the members.

So basically, the way it works here is when we do signup we resolve any
number conflicts by swapping club members crystals with club crystals and
we rent club Td-1's to people who don't have thier own for $5, mostly to
encourage them to buy one.

After signup every driver has a TD-1 with a number they can run that day.
Once the race program starts we don't have to worry about transponders
with the exception of periodically changing a few crytstals around for
the mains.

[Walt]

mike: The AMBrc transponder you bought will NOT work with the HTOP K.O. system. They are totally different systems working on totally different theories of operation (the AMB system is a true 'transponder' system, where a signal is sent from the 'loop' and is received by the transponder in the car, which then bounces back the signal to the loop. The time it takes for the bounce back indicates how close the car is to the loop. It keeps doing this until it sees a minimum bounce back time, which it interpretes as the time that the car crossed the line.)

The K.O. system basically puts a weak radio transmitter in each car. The 'transponder' (which actually is not a transponder by strict definition because it can not receive transmissions) is just a crystal, exactly like the crystal in your receiver. The K.O. hardware is just a receiver, picking up the signals from the cars. It constancly looks at the strength of those signals, and when it sees a maximum strength, it indicates that as the loop crossing time.

So, I guess you're just going to have to race with us this year exclusively with your new transponder :-)... just kidding. Both tracks are a lot of fun, but you won't be able to use your AMBrc transponder at HT.

The good news is that you can purchase another 'personal' transponder for use at HTOP for only $15, but you'll still have to swap crystals occasionally (maybe once per race day) to make sure no two people are on the same number in a race. That is, if HTOP decides to let people run their own transponder (can't see why they wouldn't).

And in defence of HTOP, the AMB system is really expensive, and a difficult purchase to make. The K.O. system is a good alternative that should work fine for the races a local hobby shop puts on. The alternative is probably not an AMB system, but rather, no system at all.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by mab_man20
To often people simply throw the transponder in their car and let the wire hang loose. This allows it to rub the belt or worse the ground. This was the case in the unfortunate instance with the GT4. The person who used the transponder before him installed it carelessly and the wire got frayed as a result. We thought long and hard following that incident to come up with a way to prevent it from happening again. The result was our system of placing your car on the table so we can remove the transponders (unfortunately people still did not bring their cars to the table). At the end of the year a disproportional number of transponders died on us for unknown reasons, forcing us to do everything manually most of the last race day.

This year we have a few new "rules" in place that will insure the longevity of the transponders and wires (a similar system was in place last year, but not strictly enforced). After a race everyone is expected to immediately place their car on the designated table and take up a position for marshalling. We will then remove the transponders and inspect each one to ensure that the wires are not frayed. The next race will then start exactly 4 minutes after the end of the previous race.
If a wire is frayed or a transponder breaks as a result of improper installation/use the culprit will purchase the damaged wire or transponder and we will replace it with a new one (we will have the wires for sale if anyone wants to have their own). We understand that a transponder can simply stop working so only in blatant cases will we "sell" the transponders.

We hope that this system is not seen as evil, but as a way to make everyone's racing experience better by eliminating faulty transponders and frayed wires. It should also help get people to marshall. :) .


Still its hard to prevent problems even if u guys take the transponder off the car. Its not taking it off, its the proper way to put in on and placing it in the right part of the car.

I found a way for me and my brother to prevent some problems.
We use a 3 way receiver, we will try just to put a extension from the receiver striaght out to the transponders. That means we will not use the wires that u guys provides in those transponders. In that way we pay for the wires and we can take care of the wires. Also, the person that is next to use the same transponder he will be using a fresh wires from ur table.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
The system worked just great for 2 years and really only experienced problems with the last race of the season and then only because of user error - people simply weren't taking care of them, either to plug it in correctly or secure the wires. Yes, the ABM system is less hassle, but it was also twice as expensive. The shop simply couldn't afford the ABM since the racing program barely pays for itself. .

WE understood that its expensive, but our servo, radio or our electronics in the car especially battery car are expensive too. My point is all of us wants to protect our investment. The guy who runs the GT4 burned his battery pack and servo wires twice because of the transponders. Some of my receivers does not have replacement parts in the U.S. It need to go back in Japan (I know I blew one already by putting the battery wires reverse). If it only happened for the just the one time I think I am not going to be worried like this.

Anyway, I am not here to critisize. If I think that we can solve this problem by having our own wires and I will let most of the racers in Oak Park to do the same thing. However, for those radio that has only 2 way receiver they really need to put that y harnes they should just be more careful putting the transponders in the right place.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by mab_man20
kakolitoy: I was not offended in the least. I thought it was funny that you and rookie both jumped all over me about the blocking.

:p



Wait.......I did not JUMP OVER you at all......again, I didn't, honestly, I took it as a LOST since you were just 15 feet away from me by running elect.....I shoulld have LAP you at least 1 lap to be considered a WIN.....get this thing settle and get ready for this year.

Again, if I did hit your nerve..my bad, its all Howard's fault.

[mab_man20]

Rookie: I was not mad or insulted or anything. When i said i got jumped on i ment that it resulted in the both of you replying about the same topic and strongly defending your position (all in good fun). :)

Thanks a lot walt!!

I talked to fred tonight and we are going to sell the transponders for $15 to anyone who wants to buy one. We will also have ones to rent for $5. Also if you buy a transponder you get $15 off the hobbytown Raceway club membership. The membership is $50 (only $35 if you buy a transponder), you get %50 off all registration fees, and 20% off everything in the entire store (you can get a puzzle for your wife/girlfriend and get a 20% discount).


kakolitoy: The reason we would remove the transponders ourselves is that we could then see if it was damaged, but that is not a problem any more.

[Rookie Solara]

I just found out I misplaced the email regarding Walt's address, hopefully you can see this post and call me ASAP (or email)

OK....got the info, and I will see you all tomorrow.

Thanks.....Howard

[Nexus]

TC Nitro Battery challenge??

What's that about? A Nitro vs. Mod Electric TC race?


mab_man20: i think we met a Venture...i had the blue mustang that had TONs of problems. this sunday is the last round of the current points series. should be some good racing. my teammate and I are wrapping up 1st and 2nd then willl move on to superstock.

[mab_man20]

Nexus: the Nitro/Electric challange is an annual race that we run at HTOP. We will pit the top three nitro TC's against the top three electric TC's of that day in an all out 5 minute race to determine once and for all (at least for one full year) which is faster, nitro or electric. nitro won last year

We will have the date as soon as we get the schedule finalized.

I wish i could make it out there this weekend, but i got a butt load of homework to do (i will call you tomorrow walt and we can talk about the tracks a stuff). Look for me next weekend though and i look forward to having some company in super stock!

[Nexus]

Are there any restrictions on the electrics as far as motors?

How many turns are we limited to?

[mab_man20]

There is no restrictions on what motors you can use as long as it is designed for a RC. The only limit on engines is it must be .15 or smaller.


If anyone wants me to repeat why the above rules are completely fair i will do so.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by mab_man20
There is no restrictions on what motors you can use as long as it is designed for a RC. The only limit on engines is it must be .15 or smaller.


If anyone wants me to repeat why the above rules are completely fair i will do so.

Well, I don't think there should be any LIMITS on elect....(in general, but of course, no 1/12 or 1/10 PAN CARS), however, on NITRO, it must be 200mm Nitro TOURING CAR (if that is super nitro, it must be .12 engine)......and engine MUST BE .12 size (modified or no mod or TURBO, doesn't matter) but it must be .12 2.1cc small block engine.

I cannot accept .15 engine is due to the size of the car (aka IMPACT or even Veteq/Vetor or other 1/8th scale)......2 of those chassis will be blocking almost 3/4 of the lane, and racing 1/10 TC versus those bigger platform chassis is definitely not fair, and I am not talking about the TC cannot go as fast as the big block .15, it is the SIZE of the car in the track like HTOP that bothers me, smaller cars will have a lot difficulty to pass large car there.

Some ppl might have .15 big block on 200mm TC, but again, if that person WON the race because of the bigger and more HP engine, I don't think there will be any FUN at all.

[mab_man20]

Rookie: We will allow .12 and .15's because we are allowing all electric motors so we must allow all engines that are commonly used in nitro TC's. (hpi RTR's come with .15's).

The car is where things are more specific. The car must be a 1/10 scale touring car. No super's, no impacts, no pan cars, only 10th scale TC's.

[mab_man20]

The other reason why we will allow .15's is because a low wind motor geared properly will be WAY faster than a high HP .15, with slightly less acceleration.

brushless are also fair game.

[Serpent Impact]

Small block have .10 .12 .15 .18. I think small block .15 is ok to use, but not the big block .15. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Nexus]

now is it the 3 fastest from nitro and 3 fastest from electric of the day that race?

or is it just an event anyone can sign-up for...

[mab_man20]

Serpent: Big blocks will be legal. Very few people can handle the brute power that comes with 1.5HP. Likewise very few people can handle the speed of a 9T single motor. Our track is simply to tight for someone to gain that much benefit from that much power. Unless they are very very good they will spin out and hit just about every board on ths track.

Nexus: We may increase it to the top 4 or 5. The reason we do it this way is because we want it to feel like an A-main race and not have the winners worry about getting around erratic slower traffic.
If you keep running as well as you have at venture, you will not have a problem getting into the race.

[Rookie Solara]

Mab_man20.....if you are talking about those HPI .15 SMALL BLOCK, fine, those are garbage.......but you have to make sure TOURING CAR running with BIG BLOCK RB COLLARIE .15...........those are something you cannot catch.

And to be honest, with those .15 engine on the race, your elect car(no matter what TURNS or Gears you are running) will never have any chance to touch them.

[mab_man20]

Rookie: You are making a compelling argument. Can i look at a .15 big block and know that its a big block and not a small block? or do i have to do surgery to figure it out.

[Nexus]

mab_man20....cool...i look forward to heading out to that track. it's pretty close from chicago.

hope to see you out at Venture again...today was the last round of the current points series...some good racing. i took 1st in the Novice A Main :)

Overall for the series my teammate took 1st and I finished 2nd. But now it's time to go to another level. Next week we plan to start mixing it up with the superstock guys.

[Walt]

Mab: From several posts ago... you're welcome regarding the transponder suggestion. I think that the way you decided to handle it is very good. Now all the guys that are worried about their equipment can just spend the $15 and not have to worry any more (and with any luck, just about everyone will buy one so no one will have any problems and it will take some burden off of you running the races).

I'm pretty sure I won't be at the nitro/electric challenge (but you never know). I wouldn't worry too much about big block engines in this race. You're already saying 200mm touring cars only. I don't think many people are shoe-horning a big block into their touring cars around here. And on your little track, it wouldn't make much difference anyway.

What makes a bigger difference is the body selection. We were talking about our rules (for Chicagoland R/C Raceway) for this year, and we're pretty sure we're going to start enforcing touring car bodies in the touring car class. People running lola bodies (and those similar) will have to run in the Super Nitro/Impact/Lola body class. We were seeing a huge advantage from those race bodies last year.

[Nexus]

Just sending a pic of my new TC3 body....hope to see everyone at the races.

now you know what i look like :P


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