Tamiya TB EVO III

[Weekendracer_UK]

As i am getting the new TB EVO III in the next few weeks i would like to know from people how have run one just what they think of the car , good or bad.

[Crazy Canuck]

They look pretty fast. A TRF Tamiya driver at my local track placed high in the B main stock in Cleveland with it, I beleive. I cantr remember the exact main or if it was stock or mod (I think stock though), but either way it was fast.

[cobra81li200]

The car should be faster than a B main ! It's a 414M with a shaft driven transmission.

By the way, I don't like the shaft driven transmissions made by tamiya. The one of the TB 01 and TB evo I and II and weak for low turn motors. The one of the F201 has better diffs, but the material quality is very poor and the diff plate is weaker than the one of the 414 !

I hope they did made some improvements, otherwise you will have problems with them (I think the diff are those of the F201).

[X-garage]

The car is super fast plus it is amazing light.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Thanks for the replies guys, looks like im going to find out how good the car is soon enough as it should be here at the end of the week.

I managed to get it for £250 but have heard the retail price is going to be around £300 to £350 area here in the UK, i have no idea what that works out to in US $'s so have no idea if that is a fair price to pay or not.

[synapse75]

this what you need
http://www.rcworld.ch/show_all.asp?id=322

[synapse75]

good pix here too
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/ev3.htm

[synapse75]

i think this has been posted earlier
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/414mkailimited.htm

[synapse75]

http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/blue.htm

[Weekendracer_UK]

Any chance of the stuff for the Evo 3 in english ???

or american will do !!! ;)

[Cychalen]

This is pretty good.
http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn

[Weekendracer_UK]

Ahh now that works a treat, thank you :)

[Cychalen]

Just finished it. :)

[Weekendracer_UK]

Looking good :D :cool:

[cgherb112]

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Those where it adds with option the blue collection, are the hard F upper deck. The titanium screw is used. The wheel which is installed has liked it should think the one for decoration being to the last, ginger * *.

[Cychalen]

You have to use some imagination when reading a word by word translation. :p

[X-garage]

Originally posted by Cychalen
Just finished it. :)

Do you hear some noise comming out from the rear gear box?

[X-garage]

Here is a Surikarn's TB III.

[Cychalen]

Originally posted by X-garage
Do you hear some noise comming out from the rear gear box?
I still have to get the electronics.
What kind of noise?

[X-garage]

I will post my picture soon. I almost done with it too!

[X-garage]

Will we see this chassis in US?
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/ev3-001.JPG

[Cychalen]

What is this thing?
And what's the noise you were talking about?
I think Kai is only available in Japan.

[X-garage]

That thing is a dual capacitors for the speed control. I believe they work better than one giant capacitor.

The noise was gone. I just did not put the diff in the way it should be.:D

[X-garage]

Surikarn, shrink wrap them with TAMIYA battery wraps.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Finally got my Evo 3 , will get it built over the week ready for track testing and into its first club meeting on the 2nd of feb.

Will be interesting to see how it goes compared to my last car.

[X-garage]

» NEWS

In the first weekend of 2003, the brand new TB EVO III got it´s maiden victory in Germany. German driver Marc Fischer who recently switched to drive with Tamiya, qualified in second place with his EVO III, behind the 414 M II of teammate Marc Rheinard.
Marc Fischer was able to win the first two finals, and thereby getting his first victory with his new car. Well done !
Racereport at: http://www.mytsn.com/publ/publ.asp?pid=7073

[Cychalen]

X-garage. Which ESC comes with those capacitors? They look really cool. :eek:

Weekendracer_UK. What's your other car?

I want my chassis to look like this.
http://www.team-td.net/works/brust8m.gif

[X-garage]

How about a body like this?
http://www.finishedart.com/sutti/GARAGE/dodge_aqua/hi/138-3874_IMG.jpg

[X-garage]

I don't know what is the speed control is, but Surikarn sponcered by FUTABA.

[synapse75]

have you see surikarns setup recently? all the pics i have seen he only runs one cap...

I dont believe kai ships to the US and if you found somebody to ship it the cost is close to 300bux

[X-garage]

My friend took that picture from a trip to Thailand last week.

[cobra81li200]

They don't sell their cars, even in Thailand, their're doing them just for fun.

[X-garage]

Originally posted by cobra81li200
They don't sell their cars, even in Thailand, their're doing them just for fun. :confused:

[cobra81li200]

I'm talking about Kai, it's just a group of friends who make cars just for fun, not for sale. I know this because I contacted them last month concerning a project that I wanted to do with them, but...

[X-garage]

Dear sirs,


Your e-mail has been tranferred to us from K-madels
because we are representing for overseas customers.

Yes, you can order from us for TB EVO3 Kai conversion kit.

PRICE: US$285.00
free shipping to the U.S.
(by EMS speed post.. 3 - 7 days to reach you in U.S.)

delivery: out of stock now, but next available lot
will be ready around February 13th.

Pre-order is necessary to secure your order.
(Pls be advised that cancellation can not be
accepted.)

Payment:
By advanced payment through PAYPAL online service.
Payment by Jan. 25th with your confirmed order
to secure your order on or around February 13th.

Our Paypal account address is as follows.

YW7M-MRK@asahi-net.or.jp

We look forward to having your order.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Masato Maruko,

[synapse75]

i know of one guy in the states with their chassis, and thats what he paid

[minijosh]

where do you race at? i race in bury st edmounds on friday nights. the newest cars at our club are hpi sprints, rs4 pro 3's, and missions. nobody except me had a TL01. 1 guys does have a ta04ss though.

[X-garage]

Keep Racing! :D

[Aluma]

this is MY evo3's new body :Dpic here (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=861411) http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=861411

[X-garage]

Can I see the EVO III itself?:D

[Aluma]

hehehe, forgot to take pictures of that... :P :D

i guess i will eventually....

[X-garage]

Here is mine!
http://www.finishedart.com/sutti/GARAGE/picture_ETC/tbIII.1.jpg

[futureal]

I got mine for $275. Going to be running it a TCS race in Milkwaukee in February, should be fun!

Those Kai parts are sweet, too bad they aren't TCS-legal. :)

[X-garage]

Where did you get it for $275?

[Weekendracer_UK]

Weekendracer_UK. What's your other car?



My car that i raced for the whole of 2002 was a RC-LAB 7:6.0 EVO 1 , if you want to know more about the car try this link http://www.rclab.co.uk/

I will try sort out a pic of the car but as i have just replaced my hard drive after it failed i have lost all my pics.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Here is my nearly finished evo3, hope the weather is good for the weekend so i can get some track time in.


Ahhh file was too big, will try to sort that out

[Weekendracer_UK]

lets try again !!!

[Weekendracer_UK]

One i found of my RC-LAB

[Cychalen]

Nice Evo 3.:)
Never heard of RC-LAB before today.:o
That's a very cool looking chassis!:eek:

[X-garage]

Originally posted by Weekendracer_UK
lets try again !!!

I don't see your speed control. What speed control you will use on your TBIII?

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by X-garage
I don't see your speed control. What speed control you will use on your TBIII?

Speedo will either be a LRP Quantum out of my rc-lab or if the credit card can stretch to it , the Nosram version as i know a model shop that has dropped there price by 30 pounds.

[X-garage]

What is the best of the Nosram speedo?

[pchan]

Nosram Dominator Power

[Albertt]

Any of youe guys/gals know if the spur gear adapter on the Evo3 will work on a plain ol' TB01?

Thanks
AL

[Cychalen]

What's a spur gear adapter? Is it also called a spur gear mount/holder?

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by pchan
Nosram Dominator Power


My new Nosram speedo should be here tomorrow or saturday just in time for the evo3's first run which be my local clubs winter championship meeting. It will be interesting to see how i will do with an untested car against the regular stock class front runners.

[Weekendracer_UK]

here is a quick pic i took of my new shell ready for racing on sunday, painted in my team colour i have used for a number of years now.

[Cychalen]

Is that a 200mm body? The wheels are a bit recessed.
Please post results after Sunday racing.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by Cychalen
Is that a 200mm body? The wheels are a bit recessed.
Please post results after Sunday racing.


I will get the tape measure out and see how wide the shell is as said dodge stratus 2 190mm on the label be looks to be at least 195mm or more.

Not sure what the weather will be like for racing on sunday as it is snowing right now but turning to rain so who knows by sunday.

[1nsane]

Prices of some NOSRAM ESCs will reduce . Dominator Power is a great racing ESC .

[pchan]

How much did you buy your Nosram Dominator Power for in USD dollars?

Thanks, I've been thinking about getting one to replace my GT7!

[1nsane]

For free :)

I am sponsored by my lhs .

Retail of that ESC is 117.799 Euros

[pchan]

If my Nosram needs repair, where could I send it to get it repair?

Thanks...

Nosram Dominator Power by the way...:D

[1nsane]

You should send it to your local NOSRAM distributor . Also do NOT forget to fill the warrany card when you buy a NOSRAM ESC .

[Weekendracer_UK]

First time out with the EVO III and i was impressed by the car, first how quiet the car is with no gear noise what so ever, second how quick it was running a matrix V10r stock motor fresh out of the packet with no tunning work done to it and with 96 spur 36 pinion i was matching other cars for speed on the long straight.

Track conditions were very poor being very greasy all day long with slight drizzle falling thoughout the day and never getting warm enough to dry the track , was never really wet enough for wet tyres to work or dry enough for slicks to work. Really needed a ball diff up front as was forced to back off early with the one-way going into corners but was able to punch out of the corners really well and make the time up.

I made set-up changes between every run and ended up 4th overall in the stock class just 4.5 seconds of pole which i was more than happy about as i had not run the car before i put it on the start line for the first round. Due to the rain that started to come down heavy i did not run in the finals which was a shame as i had just fitted my monster stock motor and gone 2 teeth up on the pinion for yet more speed.

One thing that i did not expect was that when i weighed my car with the graphite wheels and CS22 slicks i use in the dry the EVO III was 10grams under the 1500g minium weight limit, this is the first EVO i have known to be even close to the min weight which will save on getting all those light weight screws etc at a later date.

Looking forward to next week now as if the weather is dry i will be racing at a track that is very fast with long straights and fast corners which should suit using a one-way front diff.

[Cychalen]

Thanks for sharing.
I still can't decide which ESC to get. I think I will remove the ESC on my TA04-R and make it a shelf queen for a while. :p
Is stock gearing fine with a 19 turn motor?

[Weekendracer_UK]

Anyone know any websites where i can order parts for the EVO III such as a spare rear diff to use in the front of the car and links to add to the front hubs and chassis to control caster and just general spares as no-one in the uk has parts yet.

Dont really mind where they are as long as they can mail stuff to the uk with out breaking the bank and are reliable/speedy.

[Aluma]

tell me about it....I've been looking everywhere for parts...even ebay...I emailed some of the hong kong distributors and chinese aswell...maybe one of them will turn up a diff or something close to it soon. I'll keep y'all informed. seems we might just have to buy another one to get parts. :P

[X-garage]

TB III parts

www.speedtechrc.com

[X-garage]

Most of the parts that break you can share with TA04 or 414.

[X-garage]

Good news! TB III won 1-2-3!!!

http://www.rczone.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=324

[J-racer]

Originally posted by Weekendracer_UK
Anyone know any websites where i can order parts for the EVO III such as a spare rear diff to use in the front of the car

The diffs are the same as used in the F201.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by J-racer
The diffs are the same as used in the F201.



This is taken from the tamiya website

New Performance features of the TB Evolution III
Lightweight differential out drives: These out drives are similar to the F201 and the 414M. The design maximizes smooth vibration free power transfer to the wheels.

I had a few owners of F201 cars looking at the EVO III and they all said diffs are slightly differant.

[X-garage]

Originally posted by Weekendracer_UK
This is taken from the tamiya website

New Performance features of the TB Evolution III
Lightweight differential out drives: These out drives are similar to the F201 and the 414M. The design maximizes smooth vibration free power transfer to the wheels.

I had a few owners of F201 cars looking at the EVO III and they all said diffs are slightly differant.

One of the Tamiya team driver using 414 rear diff to make up the front diff for TB III.

[Albertt]

Originally posted by Cychalen
What's a spur gear adapter? Is it also called a spur gear mount/holder?
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It might be aluminum or plastic, should have a slot cut into it in which the shaft pin sits, and is what the spur gear bolts too. I think that, like the TRF414, there is a carbon fiber disk on the other side of the spur gear that gets bolted on along with the spur gear.

I was hoping to find out whether or not this setup will fit my TB01 (rally version).

Thanks
AL

[Weekendracer_UK]

There must be more than one good website for getting TB EVO III bits from, i need all the help i can get as there is nothing in the UK as the car is not even sold here yet !!!

[Cychalen]

What about RAINBOW TEN (http://www.rainbowten.co.jp/english/index.html) ?
Never bought from them but I heard that they are good.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by Cychalen
What about RAINBOW TEN (http://www.rainbowten.co.jp/english/index.html) ?
Never bought from them but I heard that they are good.

They may have a large amount of stuff but trying to find what you want is a knightmare AGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!

[Cychalen]

What do you mean? It is pretty clear to me. Try this link (http://www.rainbowten.co.jp/english/news/rcnewrelease.htm).

[Weekendracer_UK]

Now that i can understand lol

[Cychalen]

Albertt.
First of all, I don't feel like tearing apart 2 chassis now. I will let you know when I do. :)
Second. I have the road version of TB-01 so I think we have different spur gears and propeller shafts.
Third. From TB-01 and TB Evo III manuals , I can see that they have different propeller shafts, and gears so my guess is that it will not fit.
That's all I can tell you now.:(

[Albertt]

Originally posted by Cychalen
Albertt.
First of all, I don't feel like tearing apart 2 chassis now. I will let you know when I do. :)
Second. I have the road version of TB-01 so I think we have different spur gears and propeller shafts.
Third. From TB-01 and TB Evo III manuals , I can see that they have different propeller shafts, and gears so my guess is that it will not fit.
That's all I can tell you now.:(
Hey, I wouldn't want you to tear your car down just to check a few parts for me...it's cool. Can you do me the favor of giving me the part numbers for the TBEvo3's shaft and spur gear "holder" related hardware?

Thanks
AL

[X-garage]

http://www.finishedart.com/sutti/GARAGE/picture_ETC/TBIIInew.jpg
I ran the car for the first time last weekend and the result is more than expected.:)

[PCC]

Cychalen, on the TB01 diffs, there is a ballbearing (ballrace for you folks out in the UK) behind the spur gear. If the TBEvo III has a similar arrangement then we just need to know the inner diameter of that bearing to get an idea if the spur gear adapter even has a chance to fit the TB01. This will tell us if the prop shafts have the same diameters.

[HPZ]

is there much difference between the evo2 and evo3 besides the weight and then width?

[Cychalen]

Albertt.
Here are TB Evo 3's shaft and spur gear holder related parts.
50978 Spur gear 96T & 90T.
50993 Propeller shaft.
3455643 Spur holder.
4305518 Spur gear mount.
9805823 Shaft.

PCC.
Good idea.
53065 1260 ball bearing behind the spur gear.
Yes, it uses the same ball bearing.
Now we have to make sure that the propeller shaft has the same lenght. I think they are.

[Weekendracer_UK]

What is the part No for the blue driveshafts i keep seeing on pics of Evo3's ? if they are light weight driveshafts that fit another car i should be able to track some down here in the uk.

[Cychalen]

Blue driveshafts? Where? :confused: Do you have a picture?

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by Cychalen
Blue driveshafts? Where? :confused: Do you have a picture?

One of a few i have seen

[X-garage]

I'm going to have one soon.:D

[J-racer]

They are the same 42mm drive shafts as used in the 414M.
The number is:
53502 42mm Lightweight RearSwing Shafts for Assembly Universal Shaft Set

[Cychalen]

Are they better than stock or they are just good looking?

[J-racer]

I don't know if the TB EVO III comes with the alu blue drive shafts or the steel black shafts.
The alu blue shafts are quite a bit lighter than the black steel ones, so yes, there is an improvement there. They do tend to bend however in heavy impacts, although most of the times you can still continue to drive with them.
At the rear they work really well and you can use them for a long time. Definetely a hop-up I would recommend.
Because of the steering in the front, the alu axles wear quite quickly. You will have to replace the axles on average after about 50 packs (as a reference, could of course be less or a lot more), so if you don't mind buying new ones once in a while, it's a very good way to reduce the rotating mass of the drivetrain. Of course they also look good!! :D :D

[Cychalen]

Thanks for the info.
How durable is the stock rear lightweight plastic diff joint? I think it will wear out before those aluminun axles.

[J-racer]

Yes, it does wear out before the driveshaft does, but don't worry, that takes a long time! We did a 5 hours endurance race with all the practising (+/- 3 hours) before to test the car and the outdrives where still good enough to drive with! The driveshafts hadn't even shown any wear.....

[Weekendracer_UK]

New body ready for testing at the club meeting tomorrow ( i must get a better cam soon ).

[Weekendracer_UK]

At last some track time that has not been ruined by the weather, the one-way is not really suited to the tightest corner on the track but the others are all long straights into fast corners. The Evo 3 was on the pace right from the word go despite the track being damp to start with, after 3 qual runs i was 4th in the A-final stock, first of the 2 finals i had a good clean first lap and got into 2nd position and chased the leader ( club winter and summer champion last 3 years ) until near the end a lapped car knocked him off and let me past only for the same thing to happen to me a lap later leaving me to finish 2nd by 1 second.

The second final i again got a clean start but had to fight my way past 3rd then 2nd place car got taken out leaving me in 2nd chasing the same bloke for the lead again until i was punted off at the tightest corner and rejoined in 3rd. The 2nd placed driver was catching the 1st placed driver and i was catching the 3rd placed driver but we ran out of time.

Great first real test of my new car and all i did was change gearing and bobyshell during the day as it was a club meeting and we did not have time to do much between rounds.

So far im more than happy with the way the Evo 3 goes on track :cool:

[crono man]

hey guys!!
so my next touring car will come down to a choice between the tb evo3 and trf414-m2..

im leaning towards the tb evo3 but my only concern is the torque-steer... is it a major issue with this car?

[X-garage]

TBIII is better than 414. I have both and TBIII is more fun to drive.

[X-garage]

Another shot of World Champ Surikarn's TB III!!
http://www.rczone.net/images/articles/2/yama_karncar2.jpg

[Weekendracer_UK]

Looks like i need to set myself up as a EVO 3 importer as i carnt even get the bits to make a ball diff to the same spec as the one fitted to the rear of the evo 3 and thats from the UK's tamiya impoter.

I will need some place willing to sell to me at trade price from the U.S.A. or Japan that can get the bits here fast as there are people here wanting an EVO 3 but having to wait as they are not ment to be in this country yet.

Would be nice if it could happen :rolleyes: .

[crono man]

i keep reading that the trf drivers are slowly leaving the trf-414 m2 for the TB EVO III..are those just rumors?

[X-garage]

Originally posted by crono man
i keep reading that the trf drivers are slowly leaving the trf-414 m2 for the TB EVO III..are those just rumors?

I don't know for sure, but check out this article. There are 5 TB III in A-main and they are Tamiya TRF drivers.

http://www.rczone.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=324

[Weekendracer_UK]

I managed to track down a set of lightweight swing axles ( driveshafts ) these will be fitted for the meeting on sunday along with yet another new shell :D .

Well i got to get a lot of testing done before the serious racing starts in a months or so's time.

[Cychalen]

Do you destroy a body every weekend? :confused:

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by Cychalen
Do you destroy a body every weekend? :confused:

LOL well the way i drive it has been known for me to write off a shell in one crash :rolleyes: but after using a vectra and nothing else for so long and the rules for the series i run in being relaxed over wings roof height and type of car etc im just trying out some of the latest design shells to see how they handle ready for the start of the championship.

[Weekendracer_UK]

I just keep going faster and faster each meeting with this Evo3 :D , light weight drive shafts helped but ment i had to add 25g of weight to the car even though i had a personal transponder fitted. Oh and i never had time to spray the new shell so something to look forward too for the next meeting.

[X-garage]

First TB Evo III victory in Denmark :D


http://www.tamiyaracing.net/news/report/141503.asp

[X-garage]

Blue TB III!!
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/ev3kai-gar001.JPG

[Weekendracer_UK]

Great looking aftermarket kit, i dont think you need to spend a great deal of money on an EVO 3 thought as my car with lightweight drive shafts and graphite wheels needs 25g of lead weights added to it to reach the legal min weight of 1500g and thats with my personal transponder fitted aswell.

[X-garage]

I totally agree with you that TBIII is a complete package and you don't need anything else.

[Cychalen]

Finally bought the electronics for my Evo III. It is SO SMOOTH! :D

[X-garage]

Here are pictures from the Thailand International Touring Car Championship. Surikarn won the race with TAMIYA TB III. As you can see there are 2 TB III in the winning positions.
http://picdb.thaimisc.com/rcpetchburi/1-7.jpg
http://picdb.thaimisc.com/rcpetchburi/1-6.jpg
http://picdb.thaimisc.com/rcpetchburi/2-17.jpg:D

[Weekendracer_UK]

Would be nice if we could see some setup sheets from these drivers so us not so good drivers can see what settings others are using.

[X-garage]

Factory Manual set up is pretty good and works on most tracks. I ran my car right after finished put them tougether and It was so smooth and really in control. Not like PRO 3 or TC3 or LOSI which you have to make a lot of adjustment to work on each track condition.

[X-garage]

http://www.rct.jp/contents/lab/chassis/data/gear_evo3.gif

[X-garage]

MY TB III
http://team.finishedart.com/sutti/show%20bodies/new%20TB%20III/IMG_5208.jpg

[Weekendracer_UK]

Looks far cleaner than my car after racing today :rolleyes: .

[X-garage]

:D

[X-garage]

Tamiya EvoIII did it again.....

http://www.team-orion.ch/global/global_news.asp?id=1616

[X-garage]

TB Evolution III, Winner of The Thailand International Touring Car Championship.

http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/thailand/index.htm

[X-garage]

Here is the winner car!

http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/thailand/3.jpg

[X-garage]

Originally posted by Weekendracer_UK
Would be nice if we could see some setup sheets from these drivers so us not so good drivers can see what settings others are using.

Here is a setting of Surikarn at RCS track in thailand.

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/58299tb_evo3/030223rcs.gif

[Aluma]

geez... could someone translate all that... ? is this for asphalt?
would it work with a front diff?

[ecenshu]

Anyone having trouble keeping their rear diff from sounding crunchy? When I built it, it was silky smooth, then after a couple of runs it went crunchy. No crashes or anything and I stuffed a fair bit of black grease in the outdrive (it doesnt have a shield to keep dirt out). After rebuilding it I think the thrust bearing is worn, but this is after 3 runs! Anyone got any solutions?

[X-garage]

Originally posted by ecenshu
Anyone having trouble keeping their rear diff from sounding crunchy? When I built it, it was silky smooth, then after a couple of runs it went crunchy. No crashes or anything and I stuffed a fair bit of black grease in the outdrive (it doesnt have a shield to keep dirt out). After rebuilding it I think the thrust bearing is worn, but this is after 3 runs! Anyone got any solutions?

Don't worry! All the team drivers have that experience as well. It's something that won't effect any performance.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by X-garage
TB Evolution III, Winner of The Thailand International Touring Car Championship.

http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/thailand/index.htm

The EVO 3 kicked butt in both classes :D i managed to take FTQ at my local clubs winter championship meeting last sunday in the stock class and im yet to get myself a set of tuned springs :D . Had no end of people coming over and asking " is that a new version of the TC3 " you should have seen there faces when i tell them it's a tamiya :cool: .

[Weekendracer_UK]

Had a great days racing on sunday helped no end by having some sun at last. Set a new personal best and took FTD in the stock class ( 27 turn ).

My old FTD was beaten by 2 seconds and was set in very high grip conditions at a big meeting with plenty of rubber on the track using a RC-LAB that i was sponsored to drive last year.

Having beaten my old FTD so early in the year i have high hopes for when the nationals start in a few weeks.

I need to get some tuned springs as im still running on the kit ones :D .

[Weekendracer_UK]

I have heard there is some new or special version of the TB EVO III coming out soon with the following details:

1) Red Alumited Alloy parts
2) Titanium Trunbuckle & Hex screws
3) Rubber sealed bearings
4) Chassis thickness to 3mm
5) Sorex tires
6) Special sticker

Can a car so good get any better ?????

[X-garage]

Yeah! the car is amazing...you only need a killer body to complete the package!!:D

[Aluma]

I dont know what all the hallaballooo is all about... my evo2 was just as good....the evo3 is basically the same.... just nicer in some parts and not as durable in others. guess next year the evo4 will show up. :D

[X-garage]

I guess you would not see EVO 4 some time soon, but there will be HPI PRO4 and YOKOMO that bring shaft driven car to market this year.;)

[oldginger]

I am wondering if there are needs and "WANTS" for the EVO III hop-up parts. It seems to me that there are very few people own this car, and even for those who own the car do not demand anything to upgrade it. (even just for the look)

So far the Kai's graphite conversion kit is the coolest upgrade product I have seen on the market regardless of it is only available in Japan.

[X-garage]

Originally posted by oldginger
I am wondering if there are needs and "WANTS" for the EVO III hop-up parts. It seems to me that there are very few people own this car, and even for those who own the car do not demand anything to upgrade it. (even just for the look)

So far the Kai's graphite conversion kit is the coolest upgrade product I have seen on the market regardless of it is only available in Japan.

You can write email to them for the price of the conversion kit, but I believe I did asked them one time and the price is about the sam as buying another TBIII!!!

The car is great and do not need any upgrade. Eventhough, I put blue aluminum dog bones on the rear...and that's it!:)

[oldginger]

Hi X-Garage,

Thanks. Actually, I am thinking about bringing in some Square products and distribube them here in the US, so I thought it would be a good idea to do some market research on the forum. If you would, please visit http://www.rc-square.com/parts0023.htm and let me know what you think. Thanks a lot for your time.

oldginger

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by oldginger
Hi X-Garage,

Thanks. Actually, I am thinking about bringing in some Square products and distribube them here in the US, so I thought it would be a good idea to do some market research on the forum. If you would, please visit http://www.rc-square.com/parts0023.htm and let me know what you think. Thanks a lot for your time.

oldginger

I have a set of the 64 titanium drive shafts ( stub axles for us in the UK ) fitted to my car and at close to half the weight of the kit items they are a great benifit when racing stock motors ( 27T ).

Afew other nice bits on that site too , i am already getting the Center pin set in my next order from rainbow ten. Would like the finned motor mount and front + rears hubs and front hub carrier.

Im not happy with the fastest car i like it to look the fastest standing still too :D .

[X-garage]

I really want all those parts from Square.
http://www.rc-square.com/tamiya/stb5b.jpg
http://www.rc-square.com/tamiya/stb25.jpg
http://www.rc-square.com/tamiya/stb3.jpg
http://www.rc-square.com/tamiya/stb4.jpg

[oldginger]

Your wait is over! Go check them out! (http://www.rchub.com) The product quality is way beyond my expectations, and you have to see them for yourself.

[X-garage]

cool!

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by oldginger
Your wait is over! Go check them out! (http://www.rchub.com) The product quality is way beyond my expectations, and you have to see them for yourself.

Want to set up a UK division of your company ???

I have no doubt that my EVO III or my EVO III SULIKARN which i will have soon will end up with a host of square parts fitted.

[oldginger]

Sure, why not? Is EVO III popular in UK?

[Aluma]

ummm.... wouldn't those center posts short out the battery pack?
Everything looks super sweet though... :D bet those aluminum hubs would come in handy....

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by oldginger
Sure, why not? Is EVO III popular in UK?

Not as popular as it could be , the importer has not got any stocks yet and the 5 or so cars i know about have been sourced from japan.

I hope to be changing this as a friend and myself are doing monthly race round ups with the EVO III for the radio race car mag which i think you can also get in the states. My mate is doing mainly club meetings and im racing in one of the main championship over here in the 27t stock class.

We have shocked a number of fast drivers as when they get beat by a new car they come over to look at it and they all think its a new version of the TC3 and are shocked to find its a tamiya.

Think if the car had the backup and a few good drivers it would be a very popular car here in the uk but as it is everyone thinks tamiya's are toys and starter cars.

[oldginger]

I totally understand how people (or racers) feel about Tamiya cars even after they "earned" the World Champion title, it's because Tamiya has been a giant for making high quality entry-level R/C cars for so long, and people just can't get the "Two Stars=Toy R/C cars" impression off they brain. The EVO III is not big here either. :(

I noticed that you put rclab as your website, by any chance that you are related to them?

[Weekendracer_UK]

I was a sponsored driver for RC-LAB last year here in the UK.

[Weekendracer_UK]

Did the first round of the Torc series ( one of the 2 major championship's here in the UK ) yesterday and even though i hate the low grip nature of the track i managed to bag 3rd place on the grid for the 2 leg A-final 27t stock class.

Leg One , took an easy win after the first 2 cars took themselfs out in turns one and two which left me free to cruise round for the win :D

Leg Two , made a super start and was going for the lead into turn 3 but contact was made sending me spinning down to last place. While fighting my way back a few laps later i was punted off down to last again but by the end of the race manged to get back to 4th position.

Still managed to claim the overall win which i was surprised about :cool: , filling in the tech sheet i got a few comments " wow your only driving a tamiya " which made me laugh :p .

Will post a link for you to see when results are posted , hope they do abit of a report too but you never know.

[X-garage]

Check it out!
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/49283tb_evo3/index.htm
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/49283tb_evo3/top.jpg

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by X-garage
Check it out!
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/49283tb_evo3/index.htm
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/49283tb_evo3/top.jpg

Already have 2 on pre-order at rainbow ten , one is for a mate and one is for myself.

I did not think they would be able to make the EVO III any better for a long time but it looks as though this new kit has had some serious thought put into it, looks great too.

[X-garage]

Is TAMIYA going to sell those red aluminum parts seperate?

[X-garage]

http://www.tamiyaracing.net/image/news/report/03/lrp/b1_240.jpg
http://www.tamiyaracing.net/image/news/report/03/lrp/b2_240.jpg
http://www.tamiyaracing.net/image/news/report/03/lrp/b3_240.jpg
http://www.tamiyaracing.net/image/news/report/03/lrp/b4_240.jpg

[Weekendracer_UK]

It will be interesting to see what effect the new inner camber link mounts make to the car.

[minijosh]

which is better? 414m2 or tb evo 3? i wanna get one to race.

[8 Baller]

he best anwser is to just get both , their equally great cars to race

[TRF Drive Hard]

Im also contemplating on getting the EVO3... since i have the EVO2, but i havent ran it yet...:rolleyes:

[Weekendracer_UK]

Having driven or tested all the EVO's so far i can say that the EVO III is the best yet.

[nici]

Ill get my evoIII in a couple of days :) not too many of them around here. i thought there was none untill this one came up for sale, like the last car i bought this is like built and run for about 15 packs and sold so its practically new :) spares can be hard to find and expensive, but i can always drive my yoke MR4TC-Special when waiting for parts... ;) besides the red parts, is there som significant improvement in performance or something in the Surikarn edition? cant wait to get the thing :D

[kumpol]

Evo 3 is discontinued.
The new Evo 3 Surikarn Edition is the replacement.
Do you like the red stuff?
:)

[kumpol]

Click here to read the article!!!!! (http://www.rczone.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=370) about discontinue............

[HPZ]

what would be a good gear ratio for an 8t motor, on a fairly simple track with not many turns?

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by kumpol
Click here to read the article!!!!! (http://www.rczone.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=370) about discontinue............


Think they are wrong about this one, as far as anyone can make out the Evo 3 Surikarn Edition is a special limited edition to be sold in very limited numbers.

Any news on the release date yet ???

[cobra81li200]

Release is 25th of may, and another one somewhere in June.

Also, Tamiya is about to release a new car, but we still don't know if it will be a TA 05 or TB Evo 4...

[Aluma]

or a 4wd offroad competition buggy!! :D

[Weekendracer_UK]

I think you will find it is the Surikarn Edition which has been put back to june now and not a new car.

[cobra81li200]

I know what I say, tamiya is going to release an all new car. And the TB3 S will be the last version of the TB 3 (which is not being produced anymore).

More info this week end.

[stulec52]

Got my EVO3 this week, along with the full KAI chassis set, apparently quite rare here in Canada!

just trying to see the best way to convert to side by side cells at the moment before giving it a run next weekend.

it's an awesome looking car that's for sure, I'll have to wait to see how it runs.


oh, and also it is a new buggy that Tamiya are releasing, 4wd belt drive! cool !!

[Weekendracer_UK]

The Surikarn Edition is just a few weeks away now and i carnt wait to get my hands on one :D .

[Evo_UK]

YEAH! hell yeah i cant wait. time to rule the roads.... hopefully! i enjoyed reading this thread, weekendracer, sound familiar lol, u just keep kiking ass!!!!!!

well only 8 days left i make it, plus the 3 for shipping and bam bam!

thanks

[Evo_UK]

also... does it come with them cool ass center posts!? i hope it does as it is a replica to the man, surikarn, so u no :confused: :confused:

[Evo_UK]

any1 get any info on the ball diffs aswell? another unit could come in very handy

[Evo_UK]

ITS OUT!! OH YES!!

[asimo]

Would it still be a good idea to go out and get the TB EVO III special edition or is there something on the market that's much better? eg. HPI PRO 4?

Being a discountied car from reading other post, does that mean parts are hard to get hold of? i'm so lost and not up-to date with it.

I haven't been in to R/C's for a very long time. 6 years I have been out of it and now that i'm living in Japan :) They seem to be very affordable. Back in my school days, with no income, I was racing my Yokomo YR4 on a BUDGET but still managed to win a few 1st, 2nd & 7th place trophies!

But the sport wasn't very popular with few little circuits around (Sydney, Australia). Never bothered looking into it again...

I want to get back into it now! Never seen Tamiya parts like this in a hobby store and they are like half the price you paid back home as I recall.

Love Japan! :)

[cobra81li200]

Yes I know they are much cheaper than everywhere else...

Concerning the TBIII Surikarn, all my friends that bought it are selling it. The problem is the drive train, it cannot handle high end motors (lifetime on carpet with 12T and GP's is basically 4 packs before you change the pinions).

If you live in Japan, I recommend going for the new yokomo, the MR4-TC SD, I changed from Tamiya to that car, and I believe this was the right choice.

[vtl1180ny]

I'm very curious about this car, anyone personally have one??? Quick, I'd like to pick up a new car soon...

[Evo_UK]

I got one and its amazing. Very worth the price. absolute quality, boosted me from C finals to the top of A finals, taking FTD here and there.

Exellent Car

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by Evo_UK
I got one and its amazing. Very worth the price. absolute quality, boosted me from C finals to the top of A finals, taking FTD here and there.

Exellent Car

Calm down.

[Evo_UK]

i cant help it :cool: :D :rolleyes:

[vtl1180ny]

This still isn't helping me... How's the drivetrain doing??? Response to the other guy who said the cars are going through pinions....

[cobra81li200]

They know I'm right, that's why they can't answer :D .

There's a good reason if Steen Graversen was using a different drive train at the euros (read on team orion's report) and he was the fastest with TB Evo III. Only thing, there are no pictures, so don't know what his drive train looks like, but I guess a TC3 or SD...

One thing to notice : in the top 10 of the last round of indonesian championship are 3 tamiya. In mod class, 2 TRF 414 (one being 1st, the other is 3rd) and one TB Evo III, being 10th. So the TB Evo III is just not as fast as the TRF 414, which for me is still the best Tamiya car ever.

[Evo_UK]

i dunno but my drive train seems perfect!?
not really sure about what you say ( not saying your lieing )

you have to take in concideation that the 414 has been around longer therefore the TRF drivers do have more experience with it. the Evo3 only started banging on doors so you have to give it time.

how come most the TRF drivers have ditched the 414 and gone for the evo3?:confused:

[X-garage]

He is lieing for sure. ALL TAMIYA DRIVERS HAVE TO USE TAMIYA TBIII This is official from Tamiya. If that person running 414 means he wasn't sponsored by TAMIYA and not a team drivers.

[Evo_UK]

i thought so, i couldnt understand, the drive train for the evo3 is amazing!

[Weekendracer_UK]

The drive-train is ok but as a number of tamiya drivers are having custom drive-trains made up it just goes to highlight that they sadly got it wrong this time. Me thinks not enough R & D before the final design was put into production. 10/10 for the chassis 7/10 for the drive train, try harder next time lads.

[TheoDR]

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49283tb_evo3/top2.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49283tb_evo3/tb_evo3_1.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49283tb_evo3/tb_evo3_2.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49283tb_evo3/tb_evo3_3.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49283tb_evo3/tb_evo3_4.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49283tb_evo3/tb_evo3_5.jpg

[Weekendracer_UK]

And the point of just showing those pictures ??

[Aluma]

cuz its sooo beautiful it makes you wanna cry....sob sob...:D

[Weekendracer_UK]

Originally posted by Aluma
cuz its sooo beautiful it makes you wanna cry....sob sob...:D

I dont cry i just race the nuts off it lol.

[TheoDR]

Originally posted by Weekendracer_UK
And the point of just showing those pictures ?? The car just looks soooooooooooooo sweet!!! *drools*

[cobra81li200]

Have I ever said the tamiya drivers were TRF ? No. I have just mentionned the fact that between the 3 tamiya drivers there were 2 with 414M and one TB Evo III and the 414 were faster.

Concerning time, the TB Evo III has the same suspensions as TRF 414M so it is NOT very different from 414M on the track. It has been released more than 6 months ago now and is not in production anymore. Why if it is such an amazing car, it should last for years, like the TC3. Indeed my opinion is that it was made fast, very fast, too fast. No R&D at all as drive train is the one of TB01 with diffs of F201, suspensions are from 414M so what they did is just a mix.

The drive train don't last because the pinions can not handle a torquy motor with GP cells. It is just a fact, all the drivers I spoke with confirmed me that point it happened again to both of the TB Evo III drivers I saw on a race this week end.

Moreover, a friend of mine was at the euro. He said that all TB Evo III drivers were starting to have troubles with their drive train at 3 min and the drive train was dead at 4... except Graversen who had a modified drive train but no one could see it.

Evo UK : how come most the TRF drivers have ditched the 414 and gone for the evo3?

X Garage : ALL TAMIYA DRIVERS HAVE TO USE TAMIYA TBIII This is official from Tamiya. If that person running 414 means he wasn't sponsored by TAMIYA and not a team drivers.

OK, thank you for answering for me... A team driver has to use the car his team asks him to use, not the one he prefers.

[X-garage]

Cobra,

You can't say 414 is faster than TBIII by looking at them. Surikarn set a new record at his local trak from switching from 414 to TBIII..then what does it tell you?

Yes, TBIII has the same suspension system as 414..that's the same reason why BMW M3 still keep the same suspension system from the previous model.


TC3 lasts forever?...Look at TAMIYA TL01....lasts longer than the beginning of the universe! ..and HEY! TBIII is a limited edition just like all other PRO lavel car from TAMIYA.

[Aluma]

umm, I got a evo3 but i put in a ball diff up front.... I've raced ...gosh... since it first was released(got mine from Japan) and have run it through I dont know how many packs...I've yet to break anything and haven't even rebuilt the diffs yet! still really smooth...and thats cuz i also use it during weekdays to play at my local park...Drifting practice :D

I think it was a very well designed car... Oh, yeah, I also got a FT TC3....lost a wheel nut down the straight... popped a rear ball cup for no reason... binding a bit on the steering rack...diffs are really iccky and the shocks are no where near as good as the TRF's.. I just put a Tamiya body on it(altezza HKS) and put it as a display! SO THERE! :D

[X-garage]

Good job Aluma!

Same here! I have 414, TC3, TBIII and Schumacher Mission and nothing comes as good as TBIII!!:D

[cobra81li200]

Aluma, what motor did you put on your TB Evo III ?

Two friends of mine where at the Tamiya Euro Cup final in UK last weekend. The infos about TB Evo III comes from them, they are very good drivers (in the top 20 drivers in france), have high end motors and batteries and one of them... sold his TB to switch back to his SSG 414M, while the other is keeping his TB only for tamiya cup and is getting a Corally Asassin for the nationals (he is sponsored by Corally, but would never have switched to the assassin before he got his TB).

X-Garage : I am a student in mechanical engineering, and I can assure you that I know when a car will be ok or not. And I saw the problem on the TB III when I saw the first pictures on the net (i.e. something like in december). I am a Tamiya Fan, I have a 414 (n° E069) and a 414M hopped up with SSG and lightwiehgt bulkheads, and I tink the TB Evo III is bad for the image of tamiya (at the euro, tamiya drivers where made fun of b others drivers because their drivetrains were so noisy, when it was not because it was not noisy anymore...).

Now, those two friends saw a top TRF driver at the Euro Cup (don't remember the name, he was in A main at one of the reedy races this year), and he brought his car. They talked about the drive train and he said that Tamiya knows about the problem and he showed them his car. The main shaft was like on any good shaft driven car (like a TC3 or SD, I mean with an articulation), the bulkheads were made of alu, while the bulkheads covers were made of composite plastic. He said also that the pinions inside are made of delrin and completely news. Also, there were lots of alu stiffeners between main frame and top deck.

And these are just details one can see, I guess there was more on his car, but what I can say is it is not a TB Evo III anymore, but is still not the TB Evo IV. I am sure of one thing : I will never get a TB Evo III and when the IV will be released (I guess as usual just before the Worlds, let's say february 2004) I will apply the famous saying before I switch back to Tamiya : wait and see.

[Evo_UK]

Its so annoying this is. I almost feel..... cheated :(. I got my evo and its put me from 15 laps to consistant 18 laps... C finals to the top of A finals. and now i feel real bad as no matter how i push my car i cant get it as good as an SD or tc3 becasue of the crappy drivetrain! it makes me mad. im hopeing for a win in the winter series and i should have alot of hopeups on my car by then so ill see how it goes.

I told a friend about this and he heard most team drivers are doing something they call the TC3 mod with the drive train, anyone know anything about this or if tamiya are releaseing anything to improve the drivetrains.

Anyone know the mod?

Cheers

Tarnjit

[X-garage]

Here where I race there is a TAMIYA factory team driver that use to mod the shaft drive and gear to be like TC3, but now the official word from Tamiya told him that can't do that. He said Surikarn version has a better drivetrains.

[Evo_UK]

what do u mean? the Surikarn Evo 3 has a better drive train or Surikarn's car has a better drive train.

Anyone know how to do the mod? Or if its actually worth it in stock or super stock

[Aluma]

for my track, I use a tuned P2K2 @ 28/72 gearing.... but I've tried the monster and its just as good...

I wish YOU"D ALL quit crying bout the drivetrain... Its not the tranny design thats the problem...its that stupid one way. I never installed mine. I got all the parts to make the front diff and built it that way from the start. I have NEVER had any problems of ANY sort with the car. And I have crashed, jumped disks, barrell rolled...you name IT!!!

[Evo_UK]

well ok after some reaserch

the drive train is only effected when running a one way. but in a ball diff and no problem at all. it is also only effected when using a full blown 12t, not in stock.

the mod involves what they call the TC3 mod, changing the one way gear to a white tc3 gear. and shaving a bif of the bevel pinion.

this is problem fixed, it should will change ur internal ratio.

if anyone wants anymore email, drop me a mail at

bit_bloke@hotmail.com

[cobra81li200]

Ok guys, I agree with Evo_UK : Weekendracer you have no pb because you run a P2K2. Now put a high end 12T and then even with a ball diff in front, you will destroy your gears.

Now, my friends have just received a modified gear for the front one way (thicker) and he will try it tomorrow on a race, let's see how it works (but I doubt it will be as good as the other ones).

Evo_UK, this factory driver should be aware of the fact that Steen Graversen used a totally dfferent drive train in his Evo III that should be the one of the Evo IV...

By the way, where do you both race ? I'm coming to the UK (Sheffield) for my studies, and I'm going to race in the nationals, so maybe we'll meet each other...

[Evo_UK]

sorry if i sounded a bit pig headed, no diss respect to anyone!
NAaa its just i started this same topic about the evo3 drive train on a different forum and the replies i got where just the fitting for the one way was bad so it can be fixed by putting a different gear on.

"It's only a problem if you run the oneway. I've run a front diff for 6 months and never had any problems but a friend in Germany has machined a very modified oneway and that appear to solve the problem"

"Some people have been running the TC3 crown gears in theirs. Supposedly associated now make the gears in a white plastic and those are the ones to use. The gear is a direct fit for the one-way, but may need the centre reaming out slightly. For the diff you need new diff balls, and need to remove a little material from the outdrive where the bearing sits. This mod also changes the transmission ratio to around 2.3."

"The gears are not a straight fit you need to cut the top of the pinion slightly for the profile and drill hole diff ball holes to 3mm. it also changes the ratio to 2.66 "

thats what ive been told

[jiggen5354]

http://members.cox.net/randy316/

the tc3 gear mod in more detail

My evo 3S has survived 3 weeks of racing at PRECC (http://www.grscomputers.com.au/perthrecc/) in the Stock A class. This is bottom of the heap beginner class with heaps of tanks like the TL-01. There are pile ups every other corner.

I run a front one way have yet to strip gears or break parts which is pretty good considering the turn marshalls spend more time righting cars then standing at their marshalling points. My only gripe are the screws are a bit soft.

[HPZ]

Well i have read through the forum and i hear you guys talk about a problem with the drivetrain... my question is what exactly is the problem??? because i keep hearing you guys say there is a problem but i don't know what it is. Cause i have a TB evo 3 too and i would like to prevent/minimise the damage done to my car.

Thanks
HPZ

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well guys time to join this thread:D i judt got my surikarn edition... this thing is sweet... anyone have this too?

ted

[jiggen5354]

I have one. Its heaps better than my tb-01

[Downforce]

Originally posted by jiggen5354
I have one. Its heaps better than my tb-01
I hope you cut those foams!

[jiggen5354]

any reason in particular? I use them for practice on a carpet track and they were cheap at 28 bux australian (about 18bux USD) for a set of 4.

[Evo_UK]

Hey guys

Has anyone got any pictures of Surikarns Evo 3 chassis? or any other team evo3 drivers cars?
if so could you email me them

thanks alot :)

Tarnj

Also does anyone know what the unesed parts of in the body post part set are for?

[M03racer]

hey guys.
i just picked up an original evo III for cheap and i love it. i just built it and was wondering what wt oil you guys are running in your shocks. i will be running at the tamiya headquarters in Aliso Viejo CA if anyone has any suggested setups.

thanks in advance.

[HPZ]

Hi guys again,
I just wanted to ask if any of you guys are running digital/high speed/high torque servos, and what are the specs of the servos. If any of you guys do, can you tell me if it is really necessary to have one?

Thanks
HPZ

[X-garage]

My TBIII
http://team.finishedart.com/sutti/show%20bodies/new%20TB%20III/IMG_5210.jpg
http://team.finishedart.com/sutti/show%20bodies/new%20TB%20III/IMG_5208.jpg

[Evo_UK]

thats a sexy looking Evo i must say, i think im going to have that evo sticker on my battery plate, looks sleeeeeek and sexy :cool:

[X-garage]

sexy and fast indeed

[X-garage]

You've asked for it!
http://www.tamiya.co.th/race_report/image/final/titc395.jpg
http://www.tamiya.co.th/race_report/image/final/titc313.jpg
http://www.tamiya.co.th/race_report/image/final/titc375.jpg

[X-garage]

http://www.fullyhopped.com/images/tbevolutionIII/tbevolutionIII-2b.jpg
http://www.fullyhopped.com/images/tbevolutionIII/tbevolutionIII-6b.jpg

[Evo_UK]

i never new the sticker made it faster!!! im putting it on NOW!

[Evo_UK]

the second picture with the man working on his car.. who is that? are those alloy gearcases i see !

mmmmmmmm

[X-garage]

His name is Satoshi Maezumi. He is a TAMIYA Japan team driver who won the 3rd place and Surikarn took 1st place at Thailand Touring Car Championship.

I believe those gear cases are not aluminum.

[HPZ]

Hi guys, here is my Evo 3 (check out the sticker placemet)

And my home made rock deflector:D :D

[Evo_UK]

I just Put my Brand New Helio's in my evo and its looking extremly sexy!

Ill try and post a pic asap

Ahhh Satoshi, yeah clearly not aliminium gear cases what am i on about?!?!

I love satoshi's bodyshell design its so nice! I seen it in a few reviews looks wicked.

by the way have any of you got grooves in your prop shaft from the steering arm? I just replaced my prop shaft along with radio and a nice fresh servo see if its still rolling close to the steering arm , if so do you think it would be a good idea to adjust the end point?

thanks

Tarnjit

[TRF Drive Hard]

Originally posted by X-garage
My TBIII
http://team.finishedart.com/sutti/show%20bodies/new%20TB%20III/IMG_5210.jpg
http://team.finishedart.com/sutti/show%20bodies/new%20TB%20III/IMG_5208.jpg

hey x-garage... i see you have the torque rods on this one... does it handle any good with em? i hear they suck on the 04... but i havent really noticed it...

[X-garage]

TA03

Those torque rods works for me really well on a small carpet and technical track. Right now I don't have them on now. I use to have 414MII and I think they are really help me keep the car going as I prefer in the corner. They migh not be that useful with a wide open track. I only run TBIII for indor track and run NITRO outdoor. I just don't want the carbon fiber chasis get scratched so I keep my TBIII only indoor.
:D

[HPZ]

Hi guys,
i finally tried on my new PIT Shumizu D27R tyres...and i was like oh man!! i can drive like a Pro now!!!:D. My tyres are way better than my original tamiya stock tyres.

I wonder how long i can drive them for???

how many runs do they usually last for?

[HPZ]

Hi again guys,
I'm just curious about the positioning of the front upper arms of the evo3 because in the Kai version of the evo3 the upper arms are mounted on where the torque rods are supposed to go...does anyone know what this does to the car's characteristics?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Thats a strange version of the evo you have there... did you say "kai"? i noticed the upper deck is totally different...

[Evo_UK]

Kai conversion Kits

aka

K model kits, very good looking! not much performance enhaceing though, i think it stiffens the chassis a bit

[TRF Drive Hard]

Is there a pic of the whole chassis?

[HPZ]

Here is the pic of the full chassis TA03 Drive Hard

[HPZ]

Heres another

[TRF Drive Hard]

THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SICK!!! i gotta have one!!!:D so where can i get one?:confused:

[HPZ]

Well, on the site there is a price of the conversion (only carbon bits...no alloy parts) its priced at "29,300 YEN" (2/3 of the price i paid for my full evo3 :mad: ... ouch!). But i have heard from "some people" that the Kai people doesn't really mass produce it. So i don't really know if you can actually get it, well that all i know anyway...

[Evo_UK]

i can get one expensive! really not owrth it though.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Looks really nice to have though...:D

[HPZ]

So back to my original question, does anyone know what the upper arms attached where the torque rods do to the cars characterisitcs?

[jiggen5354]

i think its mainly for reliability. in standard trim you rely on the ballend/king pin to secure you camber link and steering knuckle.

[cobra81li200]

It just changes the turnbuckles lenght, giving more grip on the front.

Plus, Kai guys are keen on nice looking for their cars, so it might just be for the look to be different (I doubt this chassis is very stiff).

[rtypec]

Originally posted by HPZ
So back to my original question, does anyone know what the upper arms attached where the torque rods do to the cars characterisitcs?

Perhaps it is more for show. When was the last time you saw a Kai car win a race? By changing the location of the camberlink you are in affect changing the suspension geometry and I believe that if that modification worked, more of the factory guys would be doing it...

[HPZ]

thanks for the input :)

[HPZ]

I was using the stock rims and tyres for my first set of tyres and then now i have used them and changed to a set of Sorex rims and Pit Shumizu tyres. My only concern is that when i took my car for a test run with the new rims, After the run my upper arm cups had grooves scraped out of them... i was wondering if any of you guys have the problem.(never happened with my old rims)

Is there anything i could do to prevent it?

[cobra81li200]

Have the same problem on my TRF 414M when using 26 mm tires.

Try chamfering the corner of the rim...

[HPZ]

oh ok thanks


thanks(was thinking of doing that... didn't know what might happen)

[HPZ]

i have a stock TB evo3 and was wondering if the surikarn front oneway reinforcing carbon plate would help in the drivetrain problem...thinking of upgrading before i race this friday(only if its worth it)

[Evo_UK]

the grooves will occur, either put the wheel shims on OR what i do is get a sharp blade and shave the top of the link. solves the probelm perfectly:)

[X-garage]

Use this link instead of that ball cup would fix your problem. I do that for mine. No problem.

[HPZ]

i have a stock TB evo3 and was wondering if the surikarn front oneway reinforcing carbon plate would help the drivetrain problem(running mod 12t)...thinking of upgrading before i race this friday(only if its worth it)

[karndriver]

ive been racing an evo 3 surikarn for about 3 meetings now and am finding it difficult to dial the gearing into my p2k2. the handling and parts fitment are brilliant as youd expect. at the moment im being beaten by a losi graphite and my car handles allot better than it especially in the steering department and i find that the evo lets you carry a lot more speed into the turns. i run yellow springs at the front and blue on the rear with medium stabilizer at front and soft rear. you should find that the setup should not take long at all especially if you have had tamiyas before most notably the ta04 pro/trf.

[karndriver]

attn hpz.
i read somwhere that to fix the problem with the standard evo doing one way gears you should put a plate between the chassis and bumper similar to the setup on the karn edition. they say this stops the problem. i run stock and for some reason my karn still stripped 2 teeth from its first one way gear if that helps!

[karndriver]

does anyone out there run rebuildable stock class? if so whats your ratio? im running 90/38 and am still a couple of seconds too slow any suggestions?

[HPZ]

you should put a plate between the chassis and bumper similar to the setup on the karn edition

Hmmm.. Chassis and bumper???:confused:

What do you mean?

[HPZ]

Hey guys,

Another reason that i found that i think contributes to the front one-way stripping is because of the gear ratio that it produces...2.60000 exact

When two gears divide out to give an exact ratio then there will be teeth on the gears that will be hitting similar teeth each time it goes around.

For example a gear ratio of 2.000 means that one particular tooth will ALWAYS hit the same tooth on the other gear, thus wearing away faster

hehe tamiya designers probably never realised that ... and i 'm only a high school student :D

[karndriver]

hpz
having reviewed the pics on the tamiya website i have no idea what they meant in that magazine. sorry bout that. that theory of yours still doesnt explain it though because gradual wear would cause the teeth to become misshapen similar to the belts and pulleys in a belt drive car this would not account for completely stripping some teeth. are you sure that the car isnt being shunted or crashed because one of my mates here that drives a venom:confused: did a one way gear and it was because he was crashing on the brakes. and the excessive strain caused it to strip. this could be your problem. just drivetrain backlash.?? on a similar note, was wondering if you had a problem with the fitmet of the retaining pin in the 'spur adapter'. i find it moves up and down in the hole and makes noise. what sort of radio gear/motor are you using? do you have a lot of brake dialed into your system?

[HPZ]

Karndriver
I only said that it was a problem that may affect the gear stripping problem, but it hasn't happened to me...yet

Yes my spur gear adapter does move back and forth a bit ( about 1mm) ... i 'm not too sure about the noise issue.

So does anyone recommend the front one-way reinforcement plate as a worthy upgrade?

thanks