Tamiya FF01/FF02/FWD forum [Archive]

Albertt

03-05-2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by RichieRich
I have the FF01 New Beetle. I think it handles better than the FF02 cars. A lot of parts have been discontinued so if you run across them, buy them! :)

I'd agree with that. I've driven the FF01, 02, M03 and a TL01 with the rear drive axles yanked out. THE FF01 handles the best. I suspect the low CG design and front mounted motor to be the reasons.

Cychalen

03-06-2003, 12:13 AM

Does a FF01 handle better than a TA03F?

TRF Drive Hard

03-06-2003, 04:09 AM

Not sure how you can compare the ff01 and the ta03... one is fwd and the other 4wd... and i do agree the ff01 handling better due to the low CG... one thing i noticed, i doesnt fish tail... even when breaking...

Cychalen

03-06-2003, 09:50 AM

I know that it is not fair to compare a 4wd to a 2wd car. :o
I asked because they have motors in the front.

Aluma

03-06-2003, 11:27 AM

well, maybe its not that fair to compare, it brings a valid arguement... which is better under what circumstances?

for instance... given a box stock ff01 and a box stock TA03F(same tires, esc, servo, and stock motor), which both happen to have front mounted motors,
which has better acceleration? which has better turning? which has more top speed? which carries it's speed better through the turns? what characteristics are better for racing on a bumpy asphalt track versus a carpet track?

Now, after we know this, what can we do to improve either?
If the ff01 is slower acc, then what changes do we introduce... better tires, loosen the diff, oil dampers, springs?

Cychalen

03-06-2003, 11:40 AM

Those are very good questions.
What I had in mind when I asked that question should be something like this.
Both cars are box stock (same tires, esc, servo, and stock motor). The same driver on the wheels. A track with more turns than straights on asphalt track (that's where I will run them). I don't care about top speed that's why I mentioned handling.

samaj

03-06-2003, 03:17 PM

I have driven both the FF01 & FF02. The FF01 drives better . Plus you can gear it to your hearts content. Because of teh fixed pinion gear size , one cant really tune the motor to the car.
the low CG really makes a difference.

Albertt

03-06-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Aluma
...given a box stock ff01 and a box stock TA03F(same tires, esc, servo, and stock motor), which both happen to have front mounted motors,
which has better acceleration? which has better turning? which has more top speed? which carries it's speed better through the turns? what characteristics are better for racing on a bumpy asphalt track versus a carpet track?...

All I have to say is that a freind of mine raced his FF01 for two seasons at the local track against RS4Pros, Street Weapons, etc...finished in the top 3 quite often.

samaj

03-07-2003, 03:36 AM

I plan to race the FF01 once again. I currently race the TC3. I just want to see how the old one could hold up against today hightech 4wd touring cars.

What are the common mods people would do other than the usual heat sink motor mounting plate, shocks & tyres.
I feel there is some flex in the original plastic tub chassis. I plan to make some stiffners from old threaded rods spaning the front shoch tower to the mid chassis.

Keep this forum & these cars going guys.............!

Aluma

03-11-2003, 11:44 AM

THis is SOOOO cool, I won an ebay auction! I won a Tamiya Primera JTCC upgraded edition FF01! YES!!:D
now all i gotta do is win one of the vw golf bodies...woohooo!!

TRF Drive Hard

03-11-2003, 12:53 PM

Aw man dude... that was you!?!?!?! i was gonna bid on it but i said heck man i have too many lol:D

Albertt

03-11-2003, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by samaj
I plan to race the FF01 once again. I currently race the TC3. I just want to see how the old one could hold up against today hightech 4wd touring cars.

What are the common mods people would do other than the usual heat sink motor mounting plate, shocks & tyres.
I feel there is some flex in the original plastic tub chassis. I plan to make some stiffners from old threaded rods spaning the front shoch tower to the mid chassis.

Keep this forum & these cars going guys.............!

One modification I would make would be better shocks...

Cychalen

03-11-2003, 07:25 PM

You guys makes me want a FF01. :D

TRF Drive Hard

03-12-2003, 01:41 AM

Dude you should get one, they are actually fun!

BTW Cychalen (kinda off topic here) i found a R33 & R32 on ebay... i even snagged the Carbon R34 too:D

:D :D :D :D :D :D :p

Cychalen

03-12-2003, 02:30 AM

Aluma, good for you! I always wanted a Nissan Primera. Unfortunately that is even more scarce than Skyline bodies (in my case).

TA03 Drive Hard, you bought 3 rare bodies at once.:eek: :cool:

Aluma

03-12-2003, 08:29 AM

dude, there's one on ebay right now... its not the upgrade version, but its a NIB FF01 with primera body.

powertrip

03-12-2003, 08:51 PM

Are these the right ones for The FF01 Chassis?? anyone know if i can still get the foam bumpers for it too?

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXD021&P=K

Aluma

03-13-2003, 01:17 PM

OMYGOODNESS!!! If y'all interested... I found a golf VR6 NIB! $145 bucks (buy now option) on ebay at Jason's store... he's got lots of other cool stuff.
I just bought 2 golf V5 bodies off of him and he's still got a couple left!

powertrip

03-14-2003, 10:45 AM

Sheldon's hobbies still has a Primera NIB in their store.

FSU427P

03-20-2003, 01:39 AM

Would any of you be willing to trade a FWD car for a practically brand new HPI super F1. I bought it only one month ago and it was new in the box. I only ran it three times. For a FWD car that is in good shape I will include a speed gems 17t double motor and a JR z270m servo. I paid $158 originally for the car. This is the full woven graphite model with all of the good stuff.

email me at surfingpat@hotmail.com and send a pic of what you have and I will email you back with a pic of the F1

Aluma

03-20-2003, 03:44 PM

anyone interested in a new primera body, wheels, and tires?

I just finished building my upgraded special and I didnt really see any thing cool with that body....I put on my golf v5 body. :D
can't wait to run this thing....:D

Aluma

03-23-2003, 12:12 AM

hey guys, I finally ran my upgraded special at the track! wowo! its purty fast... had some understeer with the kit setting, but it ran great once i switched the soft pinkish rear springs for the yellow hard set springs.

are there any foam bumpers for this FF01? what other tamiya kit parts transfer to the ff01?

TRF Drive Hard

03-23-2003, 02:06 AM

OK guys... lets keep the B/S/T topics in the proper thread... :rolleyes: please:D

SteveK

03-23-2003, 05:48 PM

People looking for an FWD, you can still buy several TA03 cars, just build them without the rear tranny and drive belt. There are also several of the newer FF02 cars, which should handle even better than the FF01 since it has a more centered CG with the motor behind the front axle.

The New Beetle is an FWD, and Tower lists it as discontinued but it might still be in production.

Aluma

03-24-2003, 10:48 AM

okay, so ta03 stuff can be used to replace the ff01 hardware?

like the foam front bumper?

TRF Drive Hard

03-24-2003, 12:34 PM

If you mean compatibility... no... only the ta02 and the ff01 can share certain parts, but not all parts... the foam bumper from a 03 is a no go...

Aluma

03-24-2003, 12:49 PM

so a ta02 foam bumper would fit a ff01? could you list the parts that interchange? I hate messing up my bodies....

TRF Drive Hard

03-24-2003, 01:24 PM

That wont fit either...

cnroman

03-25-2003, 08:50 AM

My first TC was a FF01, 8 yrs ago, used. The only part that I never replaced over the years is the rear clip. I have 2 FF01's now.
A well driven FWD can "run" with a TA03. At a TCS race in 2000, I was the only FWD car in my class in the "C" main. I placed 2nd.

I also have a FF02-M03. I love to drive them, although there is no class for them where I race.

I'm presently building "my ultimate " hopped up chassis:

GPM arms
Tamiya FRP chassis
FRP F/R shocK towers
Universials
Aluminum servo mounts & Kingpins
Kose steering brace
HPI Vauxhall Astra Body & wheels

TRF Drive Hard

03-25-2003, 12:58 PM

Sounds sweet man... got any pics?

cnroman

03-25-2003, 05:01 PM

No pics, still have to paint body and awaiting rear shock mount.

Aluma

03-26-2003, 08:37 AM

how cool, i won a FRP chassis for my upgrade special FF01! hehehehe...probably be in by friday... :D now, should i install it....:confused: or wait till i totally mess up the tub chassis first...hmmmmm

oh yeah, what FRP shock towers do I use? ta03's ta02's? is there a specific set?

TRF Drive Hard

03-26-2003, 05:35 PM

There are no frp shock towers made for the 03... the 02 has frp shock towers but those are super rare... gpm makes carbon shock towers still for the 02...

powertrip

03-26-2003, 11:29 PM

I'm looking to upgrade my old trusty ff01 with some ball bearings.. i found the tamiya 53137 for $55.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=++&FVSEARCH=53137&FVPROFIL=++

and the durtrax are for $24

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXD021&P=7

is it worth getting the tamiya for those 2 shafts?? where are those shafts anyway?

Aluma

03-27-2003, 08:28 AM

i believe they are hollow aluminum shafts. I'd guess much lighter than the solid steel ones in the kit.....but I'm guessing a carbon substitute would be better... :D wonder if the ta03's carbon shafts fit? hmmmm

powertrip

03-27-2003, 10:38 AM

From that.. I think i'm getting the Duratrax bearings for less than half the price.. =)

Aluma

03-27-2003, 12:04 PM

hehehe, thats what i did last week... still waiting for em though...:P

TRF Drive Hard

03-27-2003, 06:33 PM

Those shafts might be worth it, but the price is killer... those hollow shafts will reduce heat created from the bearings, will also reduce weight but not a biggie, but the carbon shafts are better, but are super hard to find... there is a set at my LHS:D

Aluma

03-28-2003, 08:36 AM

dude, if i send ya some cash, could ya gettem for me? them carbon hollow shafts for the ff01.... :D PM me

Jimmy33

03-28-2003, 02:31 PM

I have alrays considered getting one of these but I could never decide on which body to get, so, ................... I amd still with out one! :p

powertrip

03-28-2003, 02:39 PM

What kind of pinion size should i get w/ the stock spur for a 15T Double motor? I'm running the stock 24t one on the motor right now.

cnroman

04-01-2003, 10:38 AM

Questions for TA03 Hard Drive.
1. Will a Tie-rod/Turnbuckle hop-up for the TL-01 (Megatech) fit the FF01?
2. Hobby ETC GPM motor heat-sink which is a better buy # TCV01
or A00307 ?

Thanks
:D

TRF Drive Hard

04-01-2003, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by cnroman
Questions for TA03 Hard Drive.
1. Will a Tie-rod/Turnbuckle hop-up for the TL-01 (Megatech) fit the FF01?
2. Hobby ETC GPM motor heat-sink which is a better buy # TCV01
or A00307 ?

Thanks
:D

I'd say yes... they give extra parts to create certain lengths... if you do get them, measure them so this way you have a nice fitting... but i am betting they will fit!

And both heatsinks will work... the circular one goes inside and the other outside... like a double heatsink...;)

cnroman

04-02-2003, 02:37 PM

Thanks.

TRF Drive Hard

04-03-2003, 08:00 PM

You're Welcome!:D

cnroman

04-07-2003, 02:06 PM

I encontered a problem today. I was going to mount the FRP FT Shock stay on the TA02 FWD chassis and found that the holes on the aluminum bracket, don't line-up with holes on front clip.
Has anyone found an easy fix for this?:(

cnroman

04-07-2003, 02:30 PM

Aslo does the FRP Rear Shock Stay fit the FWD chassis?

TRF Drive Hard

04-07-2003, 04:11 PM

Ok... i will only say this once more... THERE IS NO SUCH TA02 FWD!!! IT NEVER EXISTED!!! the reason i say this is the front and rear bulkheads are totally different... the only thing the ff01 & ta02 share are suspension parts (with the exception of the shock towers), gears, and the tub chassis... the FRP shocks you have are for the TA02 cars, NOT the FF01... thats why they wont fit or line up... even that rear FRP shock you have will not fit... sorry to say but the parts are useless now...

ted

SteveK

04-07-2003, 05:15 PM

The FF01 was AKA the TA02 FF.

TRF Drive Hard

04-07-2003, 05:17 PM

NOT:rolleyes:

SteveK

04-07-2003, 05:20 PM

I've seen it in some Tamiya catalogue or ad or something. I don't remember exactly where, but it I definitely remember seeing it for sure.

TRF Drive Hard

04-07-2003, 05:23 PM

It was never in any tamiya catalogue what so ever... it was never even designated nor produced in kits... never!

SteveK

04-07-2003, 05:24 PM

How can you be so sure?

TRF Drive Hard

04-07-2003, 05:27 PM

I have sifted through so many tamiya catalogues in my life time... not once have i seen that... unless i missed that one copy in the years before:p

TRF Drive Hard

04-07-2003, 05:30 PM

I think when the first FWD 02 came out the name was changed later to FF01... SteveP is telling me and i am speculating on the name/designation change...

cnroman

04-07-2003, 08:58 PM

OKAY I stand corrected!
My "FF01" was reffered to as a FWD TA02, at a TCS (hosted by Brownies Hobbies in 2000) race by the announcer, who was from Tamiya CA office. We somethimes slip-up, not starting anything.

SteveK

04-08-2003, 12:39 AM

No, I think the FF01 WAS called the TA02 FF at first. There was also a TA02W and regular TA02. It might have been when they realized the TA03 would be front-motor that they wanted to differentiate it, so when you saw the eventual tub-chassis TA03, you didn't think 'TA02'.

TRF Drive Hard

04-08-2003, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by SteveK
No, I think the FF01 WAS called the TA02 FF at first. There was also a TA02W and regular TA02. It might have been when they realized the TA03 would be front-motor that they wanted to differentiate it, so when you saw the eventual tub-chassis TA03, you didn't think 'TA02'.

That's what i said:D

Well the ta02w is just a ta02w... wide... but in terms of the designated chassis, ya... ff01 was originally designated as the ta02 ff, but then later on changed to ff01...;)

dsrbltoys

04-27-2003, 04:37 AM

It was changed when the FF02 came out. They changed the designation from TA02FF to the FF01.

laidback

05-11-2003, 02:14 AM

i recently bought a tamiya ffo1 off ebay.first time buyer and new to rc when i found out it was discont. i will be willing to sell it for what i paid for it less shipping.

chataigne

05-13-2003, 05:10 PM

Hi everybody...

Has already someone tried to put a front-one way unit in a FF01??

How does it handle???

:rolleyes:

TRF Drive Hard

05-14-2003, 12:31 AM

Um... why... would... you... wanna... put... a... front one-way!?!?!:confused: absolutely no breaks at all:D :p :D although that would be funny:D :D :D

chataigne

05-14-2003, 05:02 AM

That was just an idea...

Perfect traction (even if only one wheel is on the track....), great power saving....

But maybe difficult to keep straight in line, because there is no differential effect....

???

Why not, after all???

SteveK

05-14-2003, 11:34 AM

If you want the traction of a one-way (Basically being a locked diff), just guy a new gear diff setup and build it with JB Weld instead of grease. That will be locked up good, and you'll have brakes as well.

chataigne

05-14-2003, 05:19 PM

I am not sure it would help cornering speed :rolleyes:

With a stock motor, do you really need brakes???

SteveK

05-14-2003, 06:10 PM

Well you might not need to apply brakes with a stock motor, since it has to much torque it will slow the car when you let off the gas, but a one-way freewheels when you let off the gas. If you took off the pinion gear and pushed the car up to 20mph and let it roll, that's what it would be like.

chataigne

05-14-2003, 06:29 PM

I see......... :rolleyes:

<ans>

05-19-2003, 09:39 AM

My LHS has 3 VW Golf kits, I'll probably pick one up in the next few months. They have had them for a while. How fun are these really?

Cychalen

05-20-2003, 01:12 AM

Check this post (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1017100#post1017100) by TA03 Drive Hard.
I quote: "Hey thanks guys! i cant wait to go to the next race... my friend who was also racing was using the FF01 chassis... he did extremely well with it... but my trf04 was hooked and planted to the ground..."
Apparently the FF01 chassis is still going strong.

TRF Drive Hard

05-20-2003, 01:16 AM

:D damn straight still goin strong! they are fun to drive... i might have to hook one up to race... my other ff01 has a busted balldiff... i think i destroyed the balls:D i had a bad collision with a curb:rolleyes:

<ans>

05-20-2003, 10:19 AM

Well, mom just baught a silver Golf Tdi a few months ago. So this car would be a replica of it. Since the chassis is getting good recommendations from you guys, i might as well get one before its too late. :)
I was also wondering, what other bodies fit this chassis? I'm sorry if it's been asked before, but i read through this thread and didnt find a really atraight forward answer, so could someone that knows please type out a list of them. Thanks alot in advance.

Cychalen

05-20-2003, 11:20 AM

FF01 has a 257mm wheelbase so a body with this wheelbase will fit. You may need to do some modification, but nothing drastic.
There is a big list here from Tamiya with their respective wheelbase.
Click me! (http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/rc/index.html)

<ans>

05-20-2003, 11:45 AM

cool! thanks :)

Eero Scherman

06-06-2003, 01:59 AM

Hello all FF01 owners!
I also have a FF01 with hop-ups..

Now it has Kyosho K-Speed 19T motor, but I think that I will buy a new motor..some 17T..

My FF01 also has some homemade aluminium parts, rear lower suspension arms and rear shock tower made from aluminium..
And also aluminiun front hub carriers..

It also has turnbuckles all way round. I can adjust camber and toe-in/toe-out in front..

I just ordered new set of shocks... Threaded aluminiun.

Also I ordered universal shafts in November 2002 but my dealer did something wrong and I haven't got them yet.. I'll wait..

And of course it has ball bearings.

universal shafts (http://secure400.automatedshops.com/cgi-bin/ams/shopzone30.cgi/~wfp16353/st_prod.html?p_prodid=968&p_catid=9&sid=2dODWE0lqEfZ2R5-55103056659.41)

With 850 BTCC body (http://koti.mbnet.fi/scherman/kuvat/P6030055.JPG)

Without body (http://koti.mbnet.fi/scherman/kuvat/P6030021.JPG)

sengming

06-16-2003, 07:54 PM

what kind of methods do you guys us to fix teh understeer problem on teh FWD cars? my first guess would be high grip tires in the front. i would like to know if the front universals for thos cars would make a big differences?

i'm planning to get my ff02 up and running agian as a summer project.

thanks

SteveK

06-16-2003, 08:01 PM

Rear-only swaybars might help loosen up the back end in corners.

TRF Drive Hard

06-16-2003, 08:08 PM

You could try to drill in new holes in the knuckle where the steering rods connect... becareful not to crack it... just like the 04 knuckle, it has 2 settings... this should provide a sharper steering...;)

btw, there are markings on the knuckle or dimples on it to provide a starting point...

ted

sengming

06-16-2003, 10:25 PM

that is a very good idea..but i'm a kinda guy who dosn't like modding..i want to keep it OEM or official to get the "JDM" feeling:rolleyes:

would adding some toe-out help a bit?
what are the effects of having harder/softer-front/rear springs on the FWD cars?

TRF Drive Hard

06-16-2003, 10:35 PM

Even increasing toe-out wont make a diff... its the steering that is limited... but, i cant think of a better way but the one i mentioned:)

Pavel

06-17-2003, 05:28 AM

Hey guys

I can get a few of FF-01 V5 golf kits for around 160USD here. How much do they sell for approximately? Is it worth attempting to resell them? Theyre BRAND NEW in the original box, which is in perfect condition!

Thanks

Pavel

sengming

06-17-2003, 11:21 AM

oh ok.

well like the kunckles on the LSA, which have two mounting positions? which mount increases sharper steering?

thanks

TRF Drive Hard

06-17-2003, 09:44 PM

The inner hole will provide a sharper steering;)

^j!nx^

06-24-2003, 07:01 PM

what would be better?

a FF01/2 or would a TA-03F heavly moded converted to FWD be better?

and does anyone have a FF they are looking to sell?

TRF Drive Hard

06-24-2003, 07:17 PM

I have a brand new HKS Opel Vectra sealed... interested?:)

^j!nx^

06-25-2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by TA03 Drive Hard
I have a brand new HKS Opel Vectra sealed... interested?:)

yes, email me pics if you can and details of the kit. wouldnt happen to have any older tamiya kits would you?

TRF Drive Hard

06-25-2003, 09:16 PM

Hey man, i dont have any pics, but i can try to get some... but not sure how soon... the only vintage kits i have are ff01 chassis';)

^j!nx^

06-25-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by TA03 Drive Hard
Hey man, i dont have any pics, but i can try to get some... but not sure how soon... the only vintage kits i have are ff01 chassis';)

what other body/kits might you have? :D

TRF Drive Hard

06-26-2003, 03:55 PM

I have the Volvo 850... unpainted w/decal and uncut too... very mint... i have another HKS body kit... mint also w/decals and uncut... and a few others which im keeping:D

nitro_racers

07-15-2003, 07:59 PM

anyone know a site where they sell hopups for FFo1 cars?

sengming

07-15-2003, 09:10 PM

are you guys finding that your ff car understeers?

my does, but i think it's those tires. I'm hearing that people have made the ff run on rails. I'm thinking of picking up some stuff at teh LHS to get my ff02 up and running again. What i want is a really nice handling car as close to it's stock from as possible. It's that feeling you get when your killing everybody with close to stock car. :rolleyes:

well these are the Hop up i'm planing on picking up:

-ball bearings
-Front unvrs. shaft
-tamiya cva mini shock (i want platic shocks this time)
-tl01/ff02 stainless steel sus. shafts

i already have a pair of good tires( tamiya type A with blue inserts) what do you think of my setup?

thanks

sengming

07-15-2003, 10:38 PM

CHANGE OF PLANS!!

I'm hoping to get a ff01 soon!! if i do, it's gonna be soo cool, i have tamiay beams mugen rims waiting for that 92 civic hb body.
What should i expect from a ff01 compared to tl01 ff02?

I'm exicited:D

thanks

TRF Drive Hard

07-15-2003, 10:41 PM

Where did you aquire a ff01 chassis?

sengming

07-15-2003, 10:51 PM

ebay

TRF Drive Hard

07-15-2003, 11:10 PM

Haha... should have known:D

sengming

07-16-2003, 12:17 AM

are you looking for another ff01? how do they compare to ff02?

thanks

TRF Drive Hard

07-16-2003, 01:07 AM

Im not looking for... i have around 5 ff01's:D

sengming

07-16-2003, 10:10 AM

do you think paying $180 USD for a ff01 jaccs civic EMS shipped is a good price or am i getting ripped?

but they are hard to find right?

thanks

^j!nx^

07-17-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by sengming
do you think paying $180 USD for a ff01 jaccs civic EMS shipped is a good price or am i getting ripped?

but they are hard to find right?

thanks

i would pay it, can you get anymore?

sengming

07-18-2003, 10:00 PM

do i need carbon gears shafts for my ff02??? should i get them?
they just help prevnet heat build up right?

TRF Drive Hard

07-18-2003, 11:32 PM

ya pretty much reduce the overall rolling friction...;)

Baller Status

07-26-2003, 12:48 AM

I got an FF01 recently
, the diffrential in the front has the busted balls though.
I noticed the wheelbase is shorter than the standard touring car body, but yet there is another set of holes in the rear part and when I place it there (screws will not hold) It puts it to the standard size. (putting an rsx body :D) Anyone know how I can actually make it stay so I can run it safely? When I screw it on to those "standard" holes, it has no thread body unlike where it's supposed to go. I can't really describe it , I'll take a pic but some of you might know what I'm talking about.:rolleyes:
Also , when you reverse the rear part, you can actually "screw" it on and have a really short wheelbase (225mm) approximately..HPI mini Civic body anyone?:D

SteveK

07-26-2003, 01:36 AM

Some of the FF01 bodies were shorter, specifically the Renault Clio rally car.

Maybe you can use a larger screw, or pass it straight through and use a nut on the other side?

I have a spare RS4 (Usually run a Rally) that I'm trying to convert to FWD for use with an HPI Vauxhall Astra BTCC body, and a Sprint GTi Saxo body if I can get one.

TRF Drive Hard

07-26-2003, 01:56 AM

Actually baller you cant use your hpi mini civic... different wheelbase and the wheels wells are way small...

Aluma

07-26-2003, 02:20 PM

yeah... i tried to mount an HPI honda accord body onto my FF01 and the wheel wells were too weird looking cuz i couldnt cut them all out...plus I couldnt set the front end low enough cuz of the shock tower's height....even had to leave an extra 5mm of material all the way around so that it didnt look like a 4X4 car or something.

TRF Drive Hard

08-27-2003, 11:48 PM

Eeeeeeee... i was rippin today with my ff01... my friend and i were racing around at our usual spot... surprisingly my ff01 was keeping up with his hpi sport 2... and it was fast... my friend was like man your car is rippin... my ff01 was all stock... i didnt have bearings, just bushings... after a few battery packs my car was steering funny... upon close inspection, i found my rear left wheel was wobbling... i thought i lost a camber link... turned out i melted the bushings... along with the rear hub... so we went back up stairs so i can fix it... luckily i had spare parts... from another ff01... swapped it out... but i knew i had bearings in it... so we went for another round... after a few battery packs again i blew my transmission... well i guess i need an overhaul... she works great... so i will use her as a back up car for the next race... i will hook up my tl01 as my main racing... if she fail, then i will use my ff01 to get me through... overall my friend liked it so i will hook him up with a backup car too... even though his sport 2 runs great he wants a backup car too just in case:D

TRF Drive Hard

08-30-2003, 01:07 AM

Well, i decided to do a lil project with my ff01... i managed to put the ta04 suspension in... lower arm, caster block, steering knuckle... all in one... it fits with some minor modifications... its actually looks trick now... i wish i had a pic so you can see it... i plan to use this to race at my lhs... i cant wait to test drive it:D

Aluma

08-30-2003, 01:23 PM

hey, are there delrin gears around to prevent this tranny blowing thing? I've only found the 4wd gear set to replace the originals.... blah. Oh, does it handle better you think with the TA04's suspension?

TRF Drive Hard

08-30-2003, 05:31 PM

Havent tried it yet, but from the looks of it... it looks it can corner good;)

TRF Drive Hard

09-06-2003, 04:08 AM

Well, i built ANOTHER ff01 for racing tomorrow...:D i was gonna use my other ff01 with the 04 suspension, but i scratched that... so i was looking around my boxes and poof! i had another frp chassis set... so im like cool beans ya know? worked with that... but then i remembered how the ff01 always understeered... well i fixed that with using aluminum ta04 wiper arms or bellcrank:rolleyes: whatever you wanna call it... hella that fixed it a whole lot:D now i can make those turns! i even gave it a test run... using my good ol cyclone tc with a p2k2 and 3300mah batts... this thing flies!!! man i cant wait to race it:D

Aluma

09-10-2003, 12:50 PM

well post a pic of it! maybe i can do that. :D alum. ta04 bell cranks huh...part number?
I got a FRP chassis set, but dont want to use it cuz it'll get all scratched up. :P

whadaya think...silver or gunmetal inserts?
http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1154210

TRF Drive Hard

09-10-2003, 10:26 PM

I say gunmetal;)

Aluma

09-15-2003, 12:27 PM

yup...gunmetal looks good...check out the mini me thread. :D

JohnnyG101

09-27-2003, 10:07 PM

Can someone tell me what turn the stock motor on the FF02 is?

Thanks

TRF Drive Hard

09-28-2003, 02:40 PM

the silver can is either 27-30... if i recall...

theycallme_cee

10-03-2003, 11:23 AM

:D Hey guys,, just bought a FF-1 New beetle kit from my lhs. It was an easy build. I'm now having trouble with the looseness of the steering system. Any good fixes? Would simply upgrading to a higher quality pivot balls and cups work? I was able to tighten it up quite a bit by replacing the plasitc wheel bearings and bushing with metal sealed bearings. I've also gone through this thread and many of the old links mentioned to have option parts have long discontiuned, thus anyone with parts that are willing to sell email me.. thanks

RichieRich

10-03-2003, 02:17 PM

You can remove some slop in the steering and suspension by using these parts:

53191 - Tie Rod set
53192 - Upper suspension links

Unfortunately, most of the slop comes from the bellcranks. I don't believe there was a Tamiya upgrade for those. An aftermarket company may have made aluminum ones but I can't remember who did. By the way, the two part numbers above should still be available. Tower Hobbies still has them online.

theycallme_cee

10-03-2003, 07:34 PM

Thanks Rich, after posting the thread i found some great pics showing how to remove the z-linkage and replacing it with a tie-rod or turnbuckle system. It worked great, however i think the biggest improvement was noticed by putting in the small shock bushings through the bell crank holes and different screws. Now my car runs straight as an arrow. I'm still looking for hop ups .. email me. I'm interested in most anything anyone may have available:cool:

chuckwagon123

12-15-2003, 04:26 PM

Hello, I am looking for opinions about an FF02. I like the idea of a FWD R/C. cool

TRF Drive Hard

12-15-2003, 04:43 PM

What kinda opinions you lookin for?

sengming

12-29-2003, 09:15 PM

i think those FWD cars are great. I own one myself (ff02) and i just love the idea of an FWD r/c compared to a 4WD. I feel that the ff02 is more suited to street racing and just bashing around with your buddies. It's a race compatable but requires a bit more tunning than your average 4wd cars.

Aluma

01-12-2004, 12:57 PM

woohoo.....first post on FWD of the year 2004... :D

hey, anyone remember what gear set was compatible with the FF01? was is the TA03's or 02's or the MO3's?

Aluma

01-12-2004, 12:59 PM

I was looking for a set on tower, but 50493 was not found....I did however find 50529, 4wd gear set, and MO3 gear sets. Then I found integy's TA03 and M03 delrin gear sets... geez.

TRF Drive Hard

01-12-2004, 04:45 PM

Do you mean the balldiff set from the ta03? if yes, the balldiffs will work... as for the integy ta03 gears... they will only fit the ta03 specific... the pitch is different...

Aluma

01-13-2004, 12:46 PM

no, not the diff, the other tranny gears... idler gear, big spur with cylinder gear attached, etc.
they look like the TL01 gears

TRF Drive Hard

01-13-2004, 02:47 PM

Oh ok, definitely not then...

sengming

03-01-2004, 10:10 PM

here's my ff02

Hop ups

tmaiya cva mini dampers 60wt. (3holes) -front and 20wt (i hole) rear
ta04 universals

that's a tamiya 23turn super stock motor and i'm going to change the pinion from a 16t to a 20t soon.

Dongskie Pinoy

03-09-2004, 10:05 AM

I have an FF01 and the FF02 as well.

I've had the FF01 for about 4 years now and the body that came with it was the Idemitsu Mugen Civic. I did not use the stickers because I painted the Civic with a scheme I found in the Japanese Magazine I had. I have kept the kit for the longest time and have not run it either.

Recently I bought the FF02 with the Toyota Celica body. I like it a lot and used the same body on two cars to compare the performance between the two chassis.

Here are the facts and basic electronics installed on both chassis.

- LRP Runner plus Reverse ESC
- Stock Silver can motor
- 2400mah battery pack
- Futaba R122JE receiver unit
- Futaba S9402 steering servo
- HPI A038 Advan Tires (33R rating)
- Equally calculated roll-out, but each car uses a different pinion size. (Thanks to my friend Paul who calculated this)
- One body shell used: Toyota Celica
- Both chassis are installed with the Oil-filled shocks as installed with the FF01.

Here are the results:

- FF01 made faster lap times than the FF02 (i don't know why)
- FF01 steered better exiting the corner while on-power
- FF02 induces excessive wheel-spin during take-off and power-on while exiting a corner. (I reckon because the FF02 had the bevel-gear differential verus the FF01's better performing limited-slip ball-differential)
- More results to be posted :)

SteveK

03-09-2004, 04:39 PM

I bet the ball diff has a lot to do with the performance, as does the location of the motor. You noted the FF01 steered better on acceleration, and didn't have as much wheelspin: Putting the motor ahead of the front wheels puts more weight on them when you acclerate, and the front suspension unloads. The gear diff will also accelerate faster, being lighter than the ball diff, which would combine with the weight transfer to add to wheelspin.

The FF02 should prove much more stable under braking, as the weight up front will cause the FF01 to become much more nose-heavy.

The FF02 is also designed as a multi-use chassis, so they battery location may not be optimal for the 1/10th scale application.

Slap a ball diff in the FF02 and see how it fares. Spend some time tuning each and see which one works better.

Dongskie Pinoy

03-11-2004, 08:26 PM

SteveK: Yes I agree with your analysis. One point I feature I forgot to point out is the chassis height and center of gravity between the two chassis. The FF01 has a lower CG compared to the FF02. The servo placement affected a lot of the FF02's turn-in which caused it to understeer more.

I shall install a ball-diff on the FF02 this weekend and run some more test versus each other.

I am using an Orion Persnal Lap-timer to record all laptimes.

More results soon!

sengming

03-11-2004, 08:45 PM

cool!!! I'll be waiting for those test results.

I'm just wondering, which ball diffs are you putty in the ff02?
I'm guessing it uses the same ones as the tl01, whihc are the ta03 ball diffs??

I was thinking of picking up those ball diffs..but i just gotten my ff02 bearings in the mail. I'm gonna slap those one and see how much better it does. By the way, do you have bearings in your fwd r/c??

thanks

Dongskie Pinoy

03-12-2004, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by sengming
cool!!! I'll be waiting for those test results.

I'm just wondering, which ball diffs are you putty in the ff02?

By the way, do you have bearings in your fwd r/c??

thanks

Sengming: Yes! they are ball bearing equipped, and yes! I used TA03 Ball-diff units, they are lighter than the Manta Ray Ball-diffs.

Needler56

03-18-2004, 02:20 PM

what motor and gearing is everyone using?

TRF Drive Hard

03-18-2004, 04:02 PM

In my ff01 i used the 66t/25t with a monster stock...;)

Needler56

03-18-2004, 06:49 PM

i have the same gearing on my ff01 with a trinity dirtinator 10t (single i think). i had a trinity diamond 12t double with that gearing and that thing would wheel spin and when the tires hooked, it would shoot like a bat out of hell.

now is that considered low end speed or top end..cause the dirtinator doesn't seem to be as fast, so should i go higher in winds?

TRF Drive Hard

03-18-2004, 10:12 PM

Which version of the D motor do you have? i had a D4 10 double in mine... it was fast but hard on the diffs... so i switched back to stock and its still fast...

Needler56

03-19-2004, 07:01 AM

the D motor i have is the red can. i guess its a D1. i was thinking about getting a 10t quint for some top end, what do u think? also, what's a good comm lathe?

Dongskie Pinoy

03-27-2004, 08:55 PM

This Tamiya Honda Acoord I have kept for so long has now debuted.

Mounted on my original FF01, this is ran by a Tamiya Super Stock Type-T motor, controlled by an LRP Runner plus Reverese Electronic Speed Controller for smooth throttle and reverse.

A Tamiya 2400SP pack powers the entire unit and controled by the new Futaba 2PL controller.

TRF Drive Hard

03-27-2004, 11:44 PM

Lookin sweet man!

RichieRich

03-28-2004, 02:03 AM

In my ff01 i used the 66t/25t with a monster stock...;)

That's the same setup I use. Putting a modified motor in the FF01 is hard on the transmission and halfshafts. I find stock to be much easier to drive.

Dongskie Pinoy

03-28-2004, 08:09 AM

That's the same setup I use. Putting a modified motor in the FF01 is hard on the transmission and halfshafts. I find stock to be much easier to drive.

I agree with RichieRich, I used to have a 17turn on my old FF01 and I wrecked the tranny in just weeks of running. Yes it was so fast but the heat generated by the motor cooked the tranny's plastic. It made everything brittle until the gear cover poppped-out by itself. It was a drag-car.

Eero Scherman

03-31-2004, 09:19 AM

Hello!

I did some driving after a long winter. This week, almost all of the snow melt away and pure, though very slippery and dirty tarmac came out.

I tweaked my FF01 ready to race as soon as possible. My FF01 has a 15-turn engine. I hadn't driven it with this engine never before, so I was pretty intensed about the driving. I also had bought some new batteries so it would go even faster then before my latest mods.

And all what I can say is that this thing flyes now! :) It went really fast.

But I got also some parts broken. The steering linkage or something like that fell off. First I thought "No no..the threads are gone", but luckily the screw had just felt off. Now I've made a new type of fastening.
I took some 3-millimeter treated rail, cutted it to lengt and then screved it to place. I also put some glue to fasten it tight enough. To have that steering linkage to stay in place, I put couple of nuts to the tread. I'll try some day how a nylock-nut would work. I'm a bit afraid that I can't get it out any more..

Here is some pictures of my car, before and after racing.. http://koti.mbnet.fi/scherman/pihasudittelua/index.htm
And yes, the body is in very bad condition. But it is only my runner body.

I'll ask my friend to come some day to film my driving.. Though it's not pretty to watch :rolleyes: ..

TRF Drive Hard

03-31-2004, 05:20 PM

Try a 10 double :D wicked fast!

minijosh

04-17-2004, 02:32 AM

I just picked up a Volkswagon VR6 and I'm excited. This is my first front wheel drive car. It's the FF01 chassis. How different is it from the FF02? I race my cars so this won't be a shelf queen.

losiXXXman

04-17-2004, 02:37 AM

Wouldn't suggest racing a FF01 minijosh. Though they handle much better than the FF02s, parts are starting to get scarce, or at least pricey..

TRF Drive Hard

04-17-2004, 05:06 AM

Not really... i have ebay sources that have great prices... ;)

minijosh

04-17-2004, 06:50 AM

Well I'm not gonna race it like my tl01 or my ta04, it's gonna be a runner when I want to have some fun

Aluma

06-10-2004, 09:44 AM

anyone want to buy a TAM58151, calsonic nissan primera upgraded special kit with additional upgrades and new bodies? I know it isnt the Forsale page, but almost no one knows of this kit unless you're an FF fan.

Eero Scherman

06-17-2004, 03:13 AM

I did some tuning to my good-old FF01. Now I can adjust all wheel angles except caster. I have had turnbuckles in front and rear whole time to adjust camber and front toe-in/toe-out. But now after some tuning I can also adjust rear toe-in/toe-out.

I had some left over parts, I think that they are from some Tamiya Top Force or something like that. The FF01 rear axel and bearing fitted directly to the Top Forces uprigths. :) I had to buy only some long turnbucles and it was ready.
Now the car goes really well. Much better than before. I have to just find some good setup for wheel angles...
And a Picture (http://koti.mbnet.fi/scherman/DSCF0002resize.jpg).

tamiya4x4dryver

06-17-2004, 09:32 PM

Hey guys, does the M-03 aluminum heat sink motor mount work on the FF-02 as well?

SARacer

06-17-2004, 09:36 PM

yes it does

tamiya4x4dryver

06-17-2004, 10:17 PM

Thanks! :)

twinsturbo

07-09-2004, 02:55 PM

I have a question on the FF01 FRP chassis. What's a good price for that? What are they going for on Ebay? I am in the service in South Korea and there is a hobby shop in Seoul that has a couple of them in stock and they are asking about 70,000 Won or $65 for each one. I wouldn't pay what they are asking, but what's a good price to offer them? I was going to offer the guy half that price. Which he should take it, because he's had those parts on the shelf for so long and no one is going to pay his full price for them. I just need to convince him of that, but the Koreans are quite difficult to make understand things. They have a few really old items in that shop, but nothing really good except for the chassis. If anyone is interested in one of the chassis, email me at twinsturbo99@hotmail.com and let me know. Maybe we can work something out. I am currently on my midtour, back in the states for a few weeks, but will be returning to Korea by the end of the month.

TRF Drive Hard

07-09-2004, 06:57 PM

Considering it is a rare item... 65 is about it... you could go with 50... dont make him out as a cheap skate... if i had 2... but i have 3 and a carbon set... i would still sell em at full price... but thats my opinion...

hondatech

08-07-2004, 11:07 PM

I just got a slightly used Nissan Primera JTCC(Infinity G20). I replaced some parts: stock motor with a Peak Jaguar 17turn, Duratrax intellispeed 16t reversing esc, full bearings and a new set of tamiya semi slicks on the stock rims. The body was painted by the previous owner and its really gay but I made it look better by using most of the stickers supplied by tamiya. I want the Mugen or the Castrol Civic body or even the JACCS Accord if I could get it. Anyone know a source? Anyways main reason for this post is that the ball diff kept coming apart. I figured out a way to bulletproof the ball diff in these cars. You replace the washer assembly inside with an 1150 ball bearing. I will describe it in detail later. Basically you keep one of the cupped washers against the bearing on the adjustment side so that the washer only touches the inner bearing race. It is very smooth but hard to descibe in text. I will get my camera later and post some pics. This Forum ROCKS!!!

TRF Drive Hard

08-08-2004, 12:34 AM

HA... i still have a new idemitsu civic in a box... :D

hondatech

08-09-2004, 02:06 AM

How much you want for it? body and rims? do you have any honda accord bodys for sale unpainted with decals and plastic parts?

Rooster Clumsy

08-25-2004, 01:56 PM

Hi. I have an outrageously hopped-up FF02. Here's what I did:

- 6x1 Epic hand-wound motor
- Novak Super Rooster ESC
- Tamiya CVA Super Mini Shock Unit
- Tamiya Touring Car Tuned Spring Set (stiff blue springs up front, medium yellow springs in the rear)
- Proline Aston Martin body w/spoiler and LIGHTS :D
- Ball bearings all around
- Custom built Sanyo 3000 pack
- orange HPI rims and radial tires

The car is very twitchy though, and if I'm not careful, it's easy to roll over :mad: . Any ideas to improve the handling?

BTW, this car has gone OVER 60 M.P.H.!!!! :D

asw7576

08-27-2004, 03:04 AM

The car is very twitchy though, and if I'm not careful, it's easy to roll over :mad: . Any ideas to improve the handling?

BTW, this car has gone OVER 60 M.P.H.!!!! :D

Wow, impressive speed 60 mph :eek: !!! are you sure ?

BTW, about FF02 handling improvement: basically you want the car's height as low as possible, but not too low. Perhaps 7mm for the front and 10mm for the rear. Make sure front and rear suspension arm is little bit V shape :

http://www.yokomousa.com/newproducts/productspict/MR_4TC_SD_FRONT001_420.jpg

Put 3 o-rings in stack + two holes piston for front suspension.

Put 2 o-rings in stack + three holes piston for rear suspension.

Start with 50 weight oil for front and rear.

Front tires must be harder than rear tires, perhaps you can fill front tires with hard rubber tire insert while rear tires use double sponge insert.

Good luck.

TRF Drive Hard

08-27-2004, 03:07 AM

60? you tagged it?

Rooster Clumsy

08-27-2004, 10:49 AM

Yep, sure did. :cool: My friend next door (who I race A LOT) has a radar gun, and I race his HPI RS4 Nitro. We don't race at a track, but we try to get the fastest speeds possible out of our cars (in other words, we Drag race :D

Thanks for the tip, asw7576. I'll let you know the results in a week or so. :D

Also, would the Tamiya Stabilizer Set TL01 Manufacturer Stock#53324 work on the FF02? Same with the Tamiya Toe-In Rear Upright Manufacturer Stock#53345, and Tamiya Turnbuckle Tie-Rod Set TL01 Manufacturer Stock#
53300. Would these further improve handling as well?

Thanks everybody!

minijosh

09-06-2004, 03:00 AM

I just got a honda civic and it has the full upper and lower carbon fiber. Should I run it? The shell is clean. I'll post a photo later

Aluma

09-06-2004, 12:17 PM

nope...that'd be CRaZeee...I still have that carbon set in the box cuz I dont want to mess it up by running it.

minijosh

09-06-2004, 01:55 PM

yeah I just put the shocks onto it so the bottom doesn't touch the ground and scratch it. This is my second FF01. I also have a Golf.

TRF Drive Hard

09-06-2004, 03:40 PM

Hey josh, WB buddy... how was the T.O.D.? so you got a civic ff01 eh? lucky bas' you :D

minijosh

09-07-2004, 12:27 AM

T O D? Do you mean TDY? haha. It sure feels good to be back. Now I get the stupidest questions like "Are you happy to be home? or even So how does it feel being home?" Hmmm let me think, lets ship you off for a few months and see how you feel. No I want to stay away from my family and toyz. Anyways, I'm in the market now for some original wheels for my civic. Any givers out there???

TRF Drive Hard

09-08-2004, 01:12 AM

Tower hobbies still carries the civic rims... ;)

TRF Drive Hard

09-08-2004, 01:12 AM

BTW, TOD... tour of duty... :D

minijosh

09-08-2004, 02:47 AM

We call it Temporary Duty Younder. That means you are gone somewhere to do your jon in the real world.

computeradam

09-21-2004, 10:52 AM

bribar2

09-25-2004, 02:36 AM

I have several TA02's and a FWD my son drves. I enjoy showing up at my brothers house with one 02 in particular to beat up his TC3. I am a better driver than him.

I am always on the look out for rare parts for my car. It started life as the specal racing chassis kit. I have a GPM carbon chassis that runs saddle pack batteries, FRP front and rear stays, aluminum: lower front gear box, front and rear arms, steering knuckles, motor mount, propellor shaft, low friction dampeners etc etc. I just bought about $130.00 of mostly KOSE stuff at a hobb shop in Canada while on a business trip.

Any way I found a very rare front stabilizer kit made by P&C racing. I believe GPM made one that is similar to what I bought. Anyway I have no instructions and can't figure out how to install it.

Can anyne help me?

Thanks,

Brian

TRF Drive Hard

09-26-2004, 02:43 AM

Same request as in the 02 thread :D

RichieRich

09-26-2004, 01:50 PM

Do you know if the bevel Diff from FF02 will fit on the FF01? This ball diff keeps on breaking all the time when I run a mod (6T Single), I had better luck with bevel diffs on other cars that I have.

A 6 turn single in your FF02? Of course you're are going to blow up the diff with that kind of power.

RichieRich

09-26-2004, 10:57 PM

Sorry what I meant was: A 6 turn single in your FF01 ? Of course you're are going to blow up the diff with that kind of power. :p

losiXXXman

09-27-2004, 09:48 PM

Anyone able to find the chassis extender to convert a M03 to a FF02 anywhere? I cannot seem to find it at tower..please provide link or tower stock number..Thanks..

cianhanrahan

09-27-2004, 11:50 PM

I think they have it in rcboyz.com, at leaset they used to!
I don't think it's a tamiya part though. try ebay as well?

losiXXXman

09-28-2004, 05:36 PM

Tamiya must have that part, otherwise the FF02 would not be possible. I think it is D parts - Tamiya PN 50799

losiXXXman

10-07-2004, 04:10 PM

In case anyone else needs this part, its available direct from Tamiya USA.. Cost $ 5.

bribar2

10-14-2004, 01:27 PM

minijosh

10-15-2004, 12:29 AM

mostly people run the Mini's aka M01 or M03's. The other FF01's,FF02's, M01's, M02's, M04's, and so on aren't ran too much for some reason. You might want to trade it for another car like a 4 wheel drive one. They handle so much better.

mantella

10-17-2004, 01:35 AM

i found a odd one about a year ago on ebay. well probally not to odd but it is a carbon chassis made by hpi for the ff01 for i think it was 10.00 well spent.here is a link if it will work http://www.msnusers.com/miscmainlyrc/shoebox.msnw?Page=5
there is a couple of ff01s on the along with some other tamiya kits. i will probally be adding more pics of the tamiya collection over the next few days but i thought some one may be amused.

bribar2

10-18-2004, 01:44 AM

That HPI cahssis is cool! Do you want to sellit?

How many ff01's do you have?

mantella

10-19-2004, 01:51 AM

i did see this on ebay tho. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44022&item=5927539832&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
although i think it is way to much and really do not want the hpi pro 2 that comes with it. it is a ff01 with alot of options and rtr but the most i have ever invested in one of these was probally 69.99 when they 1 st came out or used the most i have put in one not counting electronics was probally 25.00 from people listing them is ta02f or ffo1 rather then 01 on ebay. i think the opel i got was in the orignal box with manual and it was around 20.00.

Needler56

10-31-2004, 10:39 PM

what's a good shock oil weight and differential grease to use to reduce the understeer?

TRF Drive Hard

10-31-2004, 11:20 PM

How does diff grease reduce understeer???

Needler56

11-01-2004, 01:48 AM

How does diff grease reduce understeer???
i got ahead of myself with the diff grease part, but would diff grease make a difference on a front wheel drive car?

TRF Drive Hard

11-01-2004, 08:03 AM

Well diff grease is used in the diffs... how else would u use it? :confused:

Needler56

11-01-2004, 10:56 AM

for example on my mugen seiki msx 3, i have si diff fluid of 5000wt in the front and 1000wt in the rear. the car squares out better on turns and is more controllable. i was wondering if that would apply to front wheel drive cars as well. maybe putting a lighter wt diff grease would make the tires spin faster and reduce understeer? or can you just loosen the diff, or would the balls fall out?

TRF Drive Hard

11-02-2004, 02:38 PM

Youre really confusing me... are u talkin about shock fluid??? cause this sounds more like a suspension set up for your shocks, yet your talkin bout the diffs... if u wanna increase the steer, simply add 1 or 1.5 degree of toe-out... this should increase the steering response and reduce the understeer...

Aluma

11-03-2004, 12:44 PM

yes needler, thats the way it works...same as a FWD real car...when you add heavy grease to the diff, its the same as adding a limited slip diff to a real car. Too light of grease will cause too much wheelspin resulting in understeer.

TRF Drive Hard

11-03-2004, 04:08 PM

Now im really confused about how diff grease makes a difference in steering... :p

boroef

11-09-2004, 02:37 PM

I am trying to set up my sons ff01 for carpet racing. It has the FRP cassis, full ball bearings, universals, hollow carbon, 66t spur, 24 pinion, orion outlaw stock 4 magnet motor, HPI lowering kit front and rear, and rear sway bar, plastic oil filled shocks.

I need to make it run on rails and actually turn....Any ideas...tires, color compound for foams front and rear, offset wheels? springs etc.

Does anyone run these cars anymore?

to the person who runs the 6turn and blows up the diff: try using loctite when assembling the diff...i run a brushless and my ball diff is fine.

as for handling: the car does not understeer at all......but keep in mind this car is FF, therefore u must drive it like an FF car. when turning and u want to induce oversteer, back off the gas...and to correct oversteer, get back on the gas.

in terms of setup, u'd want a softer front and stiffer rear for more rotation around corners.

mine is setup like this:

Tamiya TRF shocks with yellow springs front and blue springs rear.
oil weight is 40 all around

and that's it!!! i have tons of rotation and can actually turn sharper than a 4wd car if i setup for a turn correctly. it's all in the different driving style. fwd is not for everyone.

fabolousRC

11-13-2004, 08:15 PM

Now im really confused about how diff grease makes a difference in steering... :p

quit being sarcastic!! :D :p

as Aluma explained, the guy wants to know is there a high viscosity diff grease from Tamiya which will enables him to get that limited slip effect from a diff gear rather than changing it completely to a ball diff setup.

As far as I know, Tamiya does sell several heavier set grease. They are not however sold as diff grease. One is molybdenum grease. I think this is the lighter of the rest. The next up is ceramic grease, and the heaviest is the Anti-Wear grease. This AW grease is so thick it took me awhile to wash it off every time I get my hands on it. The AW grease does not easily get flung off if you put it in a rotational scenario such as a differential gear. Its main intention is to prevent wear on metal and plastic parts therefore the viscosity is rather heavy. So heavy that if you put it on a part such as a ball bearing, it created a drag instead of free roll. Be really careful on applying this particular grease. A tube of AW grease should not cost your more than 10 bucks (or I can be wrong...hey, I'm human) whereas everything else mentioned cost less than that.

I hope that helps.

Rooster Clumsy

11-28-2004, 02:15 PM

Hey all!
I've finally gotten enough time to fix up my FF02. And as soon as I'm done I'll probably post an MPEG for all to see. However, I also have a question:

Would the Tamiya Stabilizer Set TL01 Manufacturer Stock#53324 work on the FF02? Same with the Tamiya Toe-In Rear Upright Manufacturer Stock#53345, and Tamiya Turnbuckle Tie-Rod Set TL01 Manufacturer Stock#
53300. Would these possibly improve the ff02's handling, as it is very prone to tip over :( . I've already lowered the chassis as much as possible, a skim .4 inches off the ground. Thanks again! :cool:

TRF Drive Hard

11-28-2004, 04:24 PM

The stabilzer and rear toe-in will work... but i think the turnbuckle is different... is it fir the steering?

Rooster Clumsy

11-28-2004, 07:33 PM

The stabilzer and rear toe-in will work... but i think the turnbuckle is different... is it fir the steering?

Yes, it's for the steering. It can be found on Tower Hobbies:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGJ53&P=M

Thanks again!

TRF Drive Hard

11-28-2004, 07:47 PM

Im trying to remember... i think the turnbuckles are longer... hmmm...

TRF Drive Hard

11-28-2004, 07:54 PM

Question... what is the length of the turnbuckles in mm? i can find the right ones if i new the length... im guessing 35mm

Rooster Clumsy

11-28-2004, 08:57 PM

Question... what is the length of the turnbuckles in mm? i can find the right ones if i new the length... im guessing 35mm

Ok, the ORIGINAL ones (stock) that came with the kit are 37 mm long (3x37)

The new ones I was talking about earlier are 38 mm long.

mantella

12-08-2004, 01:07 AM

hello where i had posted about this before there is one on ebay now but i already have to many toys. it is complete with 2 bodies and extra chassis. welp just thought i would share incase someone else needs one. if some one from here gets it and it does not come with the instructions for the chassis and someone wants it just to say they have them like me. i still have the hpi instructions for mine although very not nes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5939726036&ssPageName=ADME:X:ON:US:2
also it ends tommorrow after noon so i guess i did not give much notice for the sighting

irenl

12-17-2004, 09:20 AM

Mine!

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5863/dsc03418.jpg

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5905/dsc03420.jpg

(hope u guys don't mind me posting mine up...*hides around some corner*)

Will be cutting my own lower deck one of these days... wanna try run the battery north-south.

cnroman

02-10-2005, 07:09 PM

Will TA02 F/R arms fit the FF01 FWD?

TRF Drive Hard

02-10-2005, 07:40 PM

Ya, they are the same ones.

cnroman

02-10-2005, 09:51 PM

Thanks

Needler56

02-10-2005, 10:44 PM

TRF Drive Hard

02-10-2005, 10:46 PM

If that's what i think it is, thats the Eagle Racing Aluminum front gearbox cover.

irenl

02-17-2005, 07:28 PM

yup, it's eagle's

TRF Drive Hard

02-17-2005, 11:54 PM

Heehee :D

Combatcm

02-21-2005, 09:58 AM

I'm looking around for a FWD for dirt oval. The peugot 306 WRC looks nice, but I'd rather have an FF01 chassi'd car because the motor is in front of the gearbox. I've heard the FF02 and M chassis both get dirt in the motor. I want to find a Renault Clio and turn it to a oval machine, though I need one before I race one. I've been searching all over but can't find anything FF01. Any tips?

Aluma

02-21-2005, 12:54 PM

ebay combatcm...ebay...just type in ff01. If you dont find one you like, I'll sell you mine. :D

Combatcm

02-21-2005, 03:54 PM

Well, I don't feel like buying a $200 vintage car and beat the crap out of it. I'd feel bad in 20 years. But, If I have to do that I will. Anyway assuming that you do want to sell me your car, what is it? If not forget I asked....

Trying to find out what car you had I noticed you bought a V5 body and can tell you didn't want to ruin it so you tried selling it. It takes some balls to throw paint on a $70 body.

I've had my fair share of experiments and they all turned out OK. I just try to race something different on the same track.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44022&item=5932451895&rd=1

It comes with a aftermarket heatsink.

What does FRP mean anyway?

TRF Drive Hard

02-21-2005, 04:07 PM

Fiber Reinforced Plastic ;)

Aluma

02-21-2005, 05:33 PM

Tamiya Calsonic FF01 upgraded special, with FRP chassis, universal shafts, bearings, heatsink, turnbuckles, etc... bunch of stuff! And I did do the golf body, I was selling my spare.

Combatcm

02-22-2005, 09:16 AM

You really want to sell me it? I'll buy it, name your price...

Aluma

02-22-2005, 08:43 PM

okay...I put well over $500 into this thing...but I'll let you buy it for $400 shipped.
In case you're wondering... that'll be the chassis with all upgrades I have for it, standard servo, extra mabuchi motor,and a body...your choice...NIB primera or painted golf....and the best thing...the original boxes & manuals.

Combatcm

02-23-2005, 06:28 PM

I just bought a 306 maxi along with an aluminum heatsink from ebay. I have some stronger driveshafts from a TL01. I don't want to put a brushed motor in it because rocks and dust can get into the motor. I'll use some medium sized tires for the oval, like the super nitro wheels and HPI rally tires.

I can't wait to do some reverse donuts...

Rooster Clumsy

02-23-2005, 07:30 PM

Hey everyone. I've got another question: are you supposed to fill the stock FF02 diff with fluid, or are you just supposed to leave it be (and put some grease on the gears)? I'm in the process of "rebuilding" my FF02 because, uhh, I guess I'm just a nut! :D Soooo, those pics are comin,' just don't have enough time... *sigh*

TRF Drive Hard

02-23-2005, 07:33 PM

No use fillin it... it'll just leak out upon rotating... if youre looking to stiffen the spider gears, use tamiya anti-wear grease... its really thick and it will stay in...

Combatcm

03-04-2005, 09:43 AM

Just want to chime in with my new car. I screwed up the front and rear window decals, they got folded lines in them. Oh well, and they wanted me to put on those huge colored streak decals, just another thing to mess up. I think it looks just fine without the blue decals.

For the first time in my life, I wanted to just stick a car on my dresser and leave it up there.

You can see it has a bit more clearance than stock. I used the small duratrax competition shocks on the front and the big bouncy stock ones on the rear. It can just pass over a stick pack without it scraping the chassis.

When running it, I noticed the rear end gave out only at neutral throttle, brakes or accerating the car was stable. While braking the nose of the car dipped more than any other cars I've owned, which is obvious why. I don't want to blow anything fast so I Limited wheelspin and never really hammered it down while accelerating. After the run the front body fenders had a ton of snow and water under them. Some dirt shields for it are in order. With the novak BL and the 16T pinion it was really undergeared. The car would hit the rev limiter in less than 50 feet. I did manage to roll it though, on an off power turn, the rear shocks bounced and the rear tire caught on the pavement, it hit a fender and then landed wheels down.

Needler56

03-30-2005, 12:17 AM

what's a good motor spring combination for high end speed?

Aluma

03-30-2005, 08:45 AM

wrong place to post that question, but usually lighter motor springs let the motor rev up faster...high end stuff. heavier springs give you more torque...low end stuff.

It also depends on what motor you're running...some have more top end than others.

Needler56

03-30-2005, 10:08 AM

actually, i should have said, what's everyone's set up on here? i'm tryin to go with high end speed and i have an ff01 with a trinity diamond 12x2 with a trinity red/green spring set up. haven't tested it yet, just wonderin what type of success people had with theirs.

Aluma

03-30-2005, 02:18 PM

OH!...well, I dont know if a ff01 can handle that much power...but as long as you gear it right...use the correct pinion for that motor, you should be fine like that.
using a monster stock, with normal gearing it was really fast.

TRF Drive Hard

03-30-2005, 03:16 PM

Well i ran a 10 double D4 in my ff01 before... got some crazy speeds... and ramping speeds too lol.

Needler56

03-30-2005, 04:02 PM

thanks aluma. i really long time ago i had novak tempest pro mated with that same trinity diamond 12x2 with stock brushes and springs with the 66t spur gear and man, was that fast. a few years ago i put a cyclone yellow label with a dirtinator 10x1 and it was like it was on crack. so actually, just yesterday, the lhs cut all my motors and now i just started really understanding spring combinations and brushes. i'm probably gonna get in some older freshly cut/new brushed trinity midnights 1 and 2.

trf, i've always wanted to ramp my ff01, do you just let it bottom out onto the cement?? lol

TRF Drive Hard

03-30-2005, 04:25 PM

Lets just say my ff01 got some air... and landed directly on the street curbs wall... the impact was so hard, the tranny was destroyed...

Combatcm

03-31-2005, 12:24 AM

I ran mine with a beater body down the street at whatever speed the SS goes in this thing with a 18T pinion. It's really squirrely going top speed down hills. It went sideways, caught an edge then rolled for over 20 feet, with that horrible lexan hitting asphalt sound. It survived, so then I just beat it up, running over some bumps at full speed driving in grass and jumping over snow off the driveway.

A FF02 could servive a harsher beating, the FF01 has the motor in front and I would assume that a more solid front impact could shatter whatever is holding the motor on.

Needler56

03-31-2005, 01:36 AM

the most i did was jump it where the driveway meets the sidewalk and take it through the snow. one time i took it to a park with a bunch of kids running around and somehow some lil girl's remote control airplane interfered with my radio and the car was going full throttle, i could only steer, i couldn't even brake, so then i steered it full throttle into a wall. wasn't bout to take out 20 kids haha. after all of this, nothing broke. i think that out of my all my cars, yoko yr4m2, m seiki msx, and savage25, i've had the most fun with the ff01 lol

TRF Drive Hard

03-31-2005, 03:28 AM

The one thing i liked about my ff01 was that it was front heavy... i liked the way when it came into a turn the tires would compress under pressure... :D

BTW, i have declared a Martial Law within these forums

Rooster Clumsy

04-16-2005, 04:25 PM

TRF Drive Hard

04-16-2005, 10:59 PM

Its not abuse, its a test collision drive... when you have 5 ff01s sitting around youre obligated to find out eh? :D

Combatcm

04-17-2005, 02:29 AM

Did somebody say abuse?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/combatcm/FWDaccel.jpg

I posted it in the custom rc forum, but I thought it deserves a better spot here.

I took it to the dirt track and oval a few times. It handles the track with ease. It tracks excellent and jumps flat or a little nose up all the time. Turns are not a problem, its just coming out of the turns. Oval is where it shines the most. You can run it full speed around the whole thing. Going down the straight you could pitch it 45 degrees or more sideways and never lose control, on or off thottle.

Needler56

04-17-2005, 10:47 AM

Well, like I said before (a REAL long time ago), my FF02 car has a 6X1 motor and has reached speeds of 60 m.p.h. and I saw no apparent damage to the gears, etc. Then again, maybe that's because I lubricated them and had ball bearings... I think front-wheel drive cars could handle brutal power, as long as it's not abused as much like by TRFDriveHard :)

wow 6x1. i agree that front wheel drive can handle brutal power, a lot of people will tell you that the ff tamiya cars can't, but with lubrication, ball bearings, wheel spin, it can hehe