TLO1 Racing Forum v1.0

[trakhak]

We Are starting a TLO1 class at my local hobby shop, if you dont mind I will post info and results on a weekly basis as well as set up tips and what options work and what just looks pretty! Let me know what you think! :D

[ 07-14-2001: Message edited by: SteveP ]

[TC3Racer316]

Not much setup you can do on a TLO1. What motors are y'all running? What are the rules? I would run the optional Speed-Tuned gears. Swaybars are a good hop-up too.

[TA03 Drive Hard]

Hey how bout slammin that TL-01? How low can you go? ya know? ;) :cool:

[TC3Racer316]

I used the steering rack bushings in my TC3, put em in the shocks. It sets the car's ride height at 5mm. Handles so much better.

[trakhak]

Good tip will try the tc3 bushings,should have some laying around...

[Crazy Canuck]

Has anyone tryed cutting off some of the plastic chassis to lighten it? If so, what part?

[TC3Racer316]

Yeah, I cut mine, I cut about a 1-inch square under the servo. I have 2 TLO1's. One regular with the cutout chassis. The other is a custom mini-TLO1 w/ a 9-inch wheelbase. I also cutout under the battery. It helps the cooling. Cutout under the motor. It makes a huge difference in cooling.

[trakhak]

Nothing to setup...you guys dont race! We recently allowed hop up parts in our spec class and the guys who bought the optional longer susp. arm kit are kicking my butt! lowering the chassis is a big help, but those arms make a world of difference! The kit replaces everything but the chassis,toe in rear hub carriers,adj.upper links, and sway bars. Makes the car handle great!

[trakhak]

Just finished fitting the long susp. arm kit and lowered to a ride height of 7mm frt. and 6mm rear. Frt. shocks have 40w, and rear have 40w. Ran the car in my condo parking lot and what a difference! Used the B comp. tires and didnt traction roll at all. With sway bars frt. and rear car has a really nice stuck but neutral feel to it,kind of like my TC3 but not as quick on turn in. Can not wait for raceday! Has anyone else treid this set up? :D

[TC3Racer316]

My set-up works pretty well. I have the car lowered using TC3 steering rack bushings. I also have some custom spring I cut from Traxxas truck springs. As for tires, I'm running Pro-Line H13's on Axis wheels. I also cut large sections of the chassis. I usually run a Rebel ESC and a 12-double geared w/ the 21-tooth pinion.

[RcMania24]

Hey do you guys have any pics of the spots you cut out i have a tl01 and im running a 27turn p2k with a 21 tooth pinion and it gets hot bad any suggestions. need help thanks

[TC3Racer316]

No, I don't have a pic of what I cut out, but you can cut under the motor where the cooling hole of the P2K are.

[RcMania24]

Ok sounds good. any where else that would help ? Thanks

[RcMania24]

Well i got holes cut out under battery section i cut out a slot by the motor and a slot for the steering servo. Anyother ideas that i could do.?

[trakhak]

OK today(sunday) was very succesful at the lhs parking lot races. In the spec class got 2nd in the 1st qual. and man it was tense, 9 cars all the same speed and close! 2nd qual. was more of the same but was attracted to the wall on 2 occasions! Managed a 3rd after dropping back to 5th not too shabby I think! The long arm susp. setup simply works wonders for this car, to prove it I ran stock sedan in a effort to get more track time and placed first in both qualifiers!! Now remember this is with TC3s and M4TCs running. The main in spec pulled a 3rd place finish after battling the board demons again! In sedan stk pulled a 3rd due to untested adj just before the race, STUPID!! Oh yah one more thing I ran a tuned stk black motor in stock sedan and just drove clean, and did great! See Ya.... :D

[RcMania24]

Hey thats pretty good so the long arm set is well worth getting.?

[trakhak]

Yes I highly recomend it, makes it into a whole different car! Handles like a more expensive sedan!

[RcMania24]

Does anyone that has the speed tuned gear set know if it allows you to use higher than a 23 tooth pinion.? Also trakhak could you tell me what all comes with the long suspension arm set.? Thanks

[ 07-10-2001: Message edited by: RcMania24 ]

[trakhak]

Sorry, The speed tuned set does not allow anything bigger than a 23, not that you would need anything bigger. Between the stk. set and speed tuned set you will have a decent ratio to work with.

[RcMania24]

Cool thanks for the reply and email about the long arm set.

[RcMania24]

I finnaly got some oil shocks for my car it should handle alot better.

[trakhak]

What kind of oil shks. did you pick up? Tomorrow is race day, hope it does'nt rain! Will give the update if we run. Just finished up a HPI Puegot 406 body for stock sedan class, it is sweet!

[RcMania24]

I got the Tamiya CVA mini shock unit 2.I got them of ebay brandnew for $30 shipped.

[RcMania24]

What kind of steering servo saver do you use instead of the stock one. If you use a different one.

[trakhak]

I use the stk one, seems to work fine for me. Although I did sand down the post that the screw runs thru to attach to the splines,seemed alittle high and did that to reduce the small amount of slop that was there, but gone now! Working on mounting a foam bumper now, need to save the body!

[TeamSin]

Hey trakhak you dont happen to race at HobbyLand do you?? If so I just picked up a new kit and plan o racing in the stock class next Sunday. Im an Off-Road guy new to the street racing classes. Do you have any tips on how I can set-up my car to be as competitive as I can be??

[RcMania24]

what part do you sand down?

[ 07-16-2001: Message edited by: RcMania24 ]

[trakhak]

This is in reply to rcmania,the first part of the servo saver that slips on to the servo splines, the post or tube that the screw passes thru to screw into the splined gear. Sand that "tube" down about a 1/32 to remove the play(rocking motion) that adds to the slop in the linkage. Once you do that the linkage is pretty much tight!

[trakhak]

Hey teamsin welcome to the page, no I dont race at hobbyland but you never know, where is it! Now there are a number of things you can do,when you say stk. class do you mean mixing it up with other brands of TCs or stk class TLO1 only. If it is stk class TLO1 only do they allow hop ups or just whats in the box?? Let me know and we can all help you out. #1 thing is to lower the ride height to 6 or 7mm with spacers in the shocks.

[TeamSin]

Its in IN, but I noticed that your from FL after I posted the question.
As for the rules of the stock class;
1, TL01 chassis only
2, 540 motor and MSC
3, the only hop-ups allowed are Oil-filled shocks, foam bumper, and bearings
4, sport 1500 packs only
5, Nascar style body
The rules are intended to keep every thing even and cheap. it seas like its going to be a lot of fun. And there is a Mod class with no restrictions but Ill wait untill I get some more hop-ups to try to race in that class.
I also race at a concrete oval on Saturdays. It has a 18 degree bank on turn 1-2 and a 20 degree bank on turs 3-4. I have been racing in the stock truck class (XXXT's, T3's, etc.)
but I went to pratice today with my TL01. I ran my Cyclone and my P2k and I was turning laps at about 1 to 1and1/2 seconds faster than the record sedan times. I cant wait to show up Saturday and have all the other guys that are running TC3's laugh at me. They wont be laughing when I smoke them with my "cheap" car :D

[RcMania24]

Hey thanks trakhak I will give it a try i have that play in mine and it makes my car steer like crap.

[RcMania24]

Well finnaly got my speed tuned gear set bad think is my dogbone and wheel axle broke so now i have to wait for those to come in before it try my new gears out.

[TeamSin]

Well right now Im about 4 hour away from race time and I cant wait.
I invested in som Oil filled shocks, there the Kyosho one for TC's. There like AE shocks only smaller, they lower the ride height about 5mm. I also got some new Pro-Line road rages that really stick to the track. Im running lap times of 8.3 seconds give or take a tenth. Last week the TQ's time was 8.61 with a TC3. thanks for the tips. Do you have the part # for the carbon shaft?

Ill post the race results Sun night to let everyone know how I do

[trakhak]

Dont have the part # handy but will hunt it down for you,its about15 or 16 bucks and worth every penny! No Mercy on the TC3!!!! :D

[RcMania24]

Wow sounds like you guys are having some fun i wished i had a track where i lived unfortunatley we dont so i just run in the parking lot. As for the part # for the carbon shaft it is #53323 Hope that helps Later :cool:

[ 07-21-2001: Message edited by: RcMania24 ]

[RcMania24]

heres a tamiya site im not sure if you have used it but it tells you all the part # you should need. http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/rcitem/rcitem.htm

[ 07-21-2001: Message edited by: RcMania24 ]

[RcMania24]

Also if you have Adobe acrobat reader you can look through this for your model of car it has exploded views of the car and a parts list too. http://www.tamiyausa.com/rcpss/index.html

[trakhak]

Cool, thankx for all the links rcmania,you should try leaving some flyers around the grocery store or hobby shop and get some racing started!!

[trakhak]

OK Teamsin, those are good rules,not to wide open but enuff to meake a difference! 1st thing get oil shks,megatech at Americas Finest hobbies(mail order) makes a decent set for cheap or go real nice and get Tamiyas Alum. Dampeners and pic up the tuned spring set and then you dao some serious tuning! If you trak is real smooth run it real low and stiff like 5 mm ride hieght and white tamiya springs,on the oval use a stiff tire insert and a med or hard tire.We have a banked cement oval but they dont run a tc class,wish they did but they are uptight hardcore types!! Dont bother drilling out the chassis or using a dremel tool,all that does is make it weak and ugly! The lightweight chassis is only 2,3 grams lighter so I consider that a waste too. Most definetly use bearings and if you can pick up the carbon main shaft,knocks about a pound off the car! Not really but close!! Dip your stk motor in a glass of water for about 3,5 seconds using a 4 cell pack, it really helps try it! If your allowed cut the back of the body out. Man, let us know how it goes!!

[RcMania24]

Ya thats not a bad idea i just might try it.And your welcome i hope the sites help you out. :cool:

[Crazy Canuck]

Does anyone know how to modify thge battery holder to accept side by side packs?

[trakhak]

Why dont you pick up a trinity stick pack kit and convert your side by sides to stick, thats what I did with some of mine. Not to much you can do without going mental with a dremel tool. Ok dudes no racing today we were rained out. Mayhem on the other TCs will have to wait. AND the big news is we hit 40 replys today!!! We are big time now right, lets keep it up! :D

[TeamSin]

Well I had my first race with my TL01 Saturday. Id have to say I didnt do to bad. I was running a Cyclone, P2K, and some 2000mah sport packs for equipment. We had 6 drivers show up for the stock TC class, 5 TC3's and me with my TL01. I was out on the track taking some practice laps when two of the guys came up and were like "what the heck is that?". When I told them it was a TL01 they just gave me a funny look.

I qualified 3rd with a lap time of 8.12, my budd set a new track record when he qualified with a 7.76. The race is set up with 2 heat races and a feature.

Heat 1; I got off to a good lead and ran clean. Ended up finishing 2nd about 2 car lenghts behind the leader.
Heat 2; Had a pile up coming out of turn 2 and droped back to 5th. I ended up fighting my way back to another 2nd place finish.
Feature; While in 2nd place on the 3rd lap I got cipped from behind and ended up crashing into the wall and landed belly up. By the time I got marsheled I was in last place. But I drove hard and got back up to 2nd. A couple of laps later I was fighting for the lead and the 5th and 6th car got into a wreck and I got cought up in it. I ended up finishing 4th.

All in all Id have to say it was some good racing. All the TC3 guys kept asking how I got it to go so fast, and when I told them it was pretty much stock they almost pooped themselves. I guess they wont be giving me funny looks anymore.

[rcracer_xxxt_futaba]

I'm having some problems with my car. When I get up to top speed (17 turn, 19 pinnon), its uncontrol able. It will slide like it has no traction and will not be easy si correct. It got so annoying I got some of my 35wt oil from my off-road side of R/C and it helped. But have a 75 wt (r), 35wt(f) combo is wierd. Any tips on more control?? I took the sliks off and relplaced them with "top" tires. There hard to explain. When I accerate hard it will grip but once Im at top speed its bad. I can very easily control a 45mph buggy, but a 30mph TL01... What about 55wt oil all around, what do u guys run?? And what should I gear a MVP (the MVP is also uncontrolable at top speed)? I only have the 3 choices (19 21 23). Also how do the "Speed Tuned" gears work, ie; how do u fit smaller pinnons on?? Can u control the gear mesh like a real racer?

THANKS!!

P.S. MY car has, a ESC, Bearings, oil pilled shocks, carbon drive shaft, and steering turnbuckles. And a aftermarket servo saver with alot of slop. I bought the car used for $100 so I dont know what the servo saver is. Does the stock saver black with three parts or one white peice??

[Crazy Canuck]

Do you use traction compound, that was the problem I had. I dont think there is any servo saver on the TL01

[trakhak]

I would think your handling problem is that sloppy servo saver,think aboutit if its sloppy what are the wheels doing at speed. Whats youre secret on the buggy, 45mph....cmon dude :eek:

[rcracer_xxxt_futaba]

XXX with 9 turn geared at 82/19. Thats just the aprox. It can beat my RC10GT with .15 motor. And it has truck tires. :D

[trakhak]

I am not convinced,but if you say so...anyway the TLO1 needs to be lower to about 5mm frt and rear use xtra o rings in the shocks. Next run alittle toe in with 4WD the frt drive tends to give the wheels toe out under excelleration. If your track is smooth go as heavy as 70w in the shks,but 55 is a good starting point. Is your track being blown clean that can cause handling problems. Like I said before, go with the long arm susp hop-up it makes a world of difference. Remove the slop in the steering and turn down your steering rate and you should see a improvement in control. As far as the speed tuned gear set you still only have 19, 21, and 23 to use but the internal ratio is lower, kindof like changing out a spur gear but same pinion. Between the stk gear set and the speed tuned set thats like at least 12 different ratios. Speed is nice but you have to get it around that turn...

[TeamSin]

What is the lowest turn moter you would suggest I put in? I have a Speed Gem Ruby (16x3) but I havent put it in yet because Im affraid Ill fry the tranny. Also what pinion would you use? Right now I have the stock gears but I ordered the speed tuned gear set and I should have it this weekend. Thanx.

Also are the extra lons suspension arms worth the $46. I mean can it make that big of a difference?

[trakhak]

Do the arms make a difference?! Read my previous replies!! Its night and day! Concerning the gearing, I have ran a 14t double Reedy motor with the spd. tuned gears and a 19 pinion and did fine, but I think the 16t would be a better choice, since its a little milder it could be used with the stk gears too. Anybody else have a exp with a low turn mod motor?

[rcracer_xxxt_futaba]

Does the TL01 come with a servo saver?? If so is it black or white. And if it isn't a sevo saver is it black with 3 parts that go together?

[trakhak]

The blk. thing that is made up from 3 parts IS the servo saver, it works quite well too after you sand down the screw post and get rid of the slop....

[dan]

I had a trinity 10x2 with the tuned gear set and a 21t pinion.it was way hard to control but it still beat my friends hpi nitro rs4 with the 2-speed.

[aphex4000]

Hi guys. I finally ran my new TL01 today and it is terribly slow! The stock 540 motor has been broken in with a 6V power supply and water, then sprayed and lubed. Acceleration is awesome but the top speed reminds me of my old Radio Shack buggy!

I am using a Futaba MC2309CR ESC(20+ turns max.) and have a few motors in mind. P2K Copper Head Pro, Speed Gem 2 Quartz 19T double, or a green Machine 3 Pro Tuned. I am just now switching over from Nitro to Electric so I know very little about motors. I'd really appreciate any comments or suggestions with regards to choosing a new motor. Thanks! =)

[trakhak]

Those are good motor choices, they will tend to run hot though, inherent to the chassis blocking the airflow to the motor. One thing you might want to try is the speed tuned gear set, I use it and stay with open endbell stock motors at my local hobby shop races,using the silver can!! Ok racing was fast and furious today will update later! :D

[t-mann]

[ 07-29-2001: Message edited by: t-mann ]

[trakhak]

OK here is Sun. race results,3 Tlo1 racers, including moi',decided to race in stcok sedan and TLO1 spec, the thing is we ran our blk. tuned motors not roar stk. motors. How did it go...how about 1st place went to the new Losi car but 3 TLO1s where all up on his case!Losi 1st then TLO1s took 2, 3, and 4th! TC3 owners and 1 yokomo drivers where stunned In 2nd heat It was TLo1 1st and then the Losi and TLo1s in 3rd, and fourth. Main race was a real duel between a very smooth drving TLo1 and the losi car and the other tamiya cars in close pursuit...finished with the Losi car 2nd and the TLO1 took 1st and the rest of the Tlo1s filled 3rd and fifth. The open endbell motors where faster down the straight but the blk. motor in the turns allowed us to stay on the power longer thus enter and exit much faster then the rest,that and smooth driving did the trick! The Losi guy took it very well, then vowed to heap large amounts of payback next Sunday!! Now on the tech level we found out on a really hot day(90 degrees) with full on sun our B compound tires actually became quite loose. one tried A compound and the other tried kit tires, kit tires worked better with all that heat and the A's were spot on! I hit the barrier once and just toasted my new 6 spoke Tamiya wheels on the left side. I wish Tamiya would use a more resilient plastic, something like what RPM or HPI uses. Ok thats it for racing till next week. :D

[CaseyMan]

yay i actually found ppl with same kinda car as me. but u all seem to be running slow engines... I have a 11T double turn engine in my TL01 :rolleyes: and a rooster ESC.. I still have my regular speed control it came with and a 27 turn Trinity Stock motor. im new to getting into details, but im going to cut holes remove some plastic pieces, and lighten this puppy up. It has front and back oil shocks, how do i lower them to get it to grip to road better? Give me tips plz on how to improve my car's speed and cooldown. Im gonna ask the local neighborhood jakass to cut holes for me if i pay him. Can u plz try to take pictures of ur cut chassis?

On other note, where is this track at? I heard some1 say somthing bout indiana and i live in indianapolis. anywyas thx

[Andrew the RC man]

who says you cant setup a TL01??? not at stock but if you get hop ups and basica nessacities for racing good than you can have a whole mess of hop ups :)

[trakhak]

If he is a " Jackazz" do you really want him drilling your car....dont bother drilling or removing material, it wont do much but make your chassis weaker. The only thing I would is fugure out how to get more air to the motor. I run a small clip on motor heatsink and that helps tons. Wanna race me around a race track with your 11t and my tuned stk motor for pink slips! :D Stay with us and we will help out!

[CaseyMan]

well my batteries always get hot cause im running engine over my ESC's limit. What do i have to buy/do to get my engine to cool down :)

[trakhak]

Your batts get hot from the amp draw of the motor,try using the speed tuned gear set and 19t pinion, you probably will still find it getting hot and the motor too. Try stepping down to a 14 t motor with the hop up gear set and that might work better. Also pick up a clip on heat sink that should help out a bunch. The car just wasnt designed to run a 11t motor. I think it can handle it, Tamiya builds cars that are strong as a tank but, with that kind of motor your putting a huge load on your drive train and electronics.

[CaseyMan]

hey man thx, sorry i didnt reply sooner our cable modem in indy is out, so we had to set up a modem acc for a while. ill try what u said, but i dont have any low turn motors except my Trinity Stock motor (27 turn). Ill try it and see if it helps the battery at all. Now what about the gear system? I have what it came with. the white plastic gears not sure bout the turn heh. i think the gear on my engine gear is 21 or 23. hmm im new to this stuff so all help is welcome :) bubye

oh and more proof on the car being able to handle the engine, i jumped it on curb on accident (car was coming tried to get up) did bout 4 rolls in air and kept tumbling, no scratches :) bye

[TeamSin]

Schoolyard Racing Results

Today was a god day for the old TL01. Ended up taking a 2nd place finnish. Ive now earned the respect of the TC3 divers and one of truck guys is buying a TL01 this week. So next week there will be 2 TL01's to kick the TC3's behinds

[trakhak]

Looks like it was a good weekend for the TLO1s! Ok I raced 2 classes again, TLo1 "spec" and stk. sedan, stk. sedan I placed 1st in both heats(dominated!!!) and took 2nd in the final.At my track the guys are learning to have a healthy respect for our cars also! I think they are jealous that with minimal setup the car works soooo well! Now for spec class it was fun too. 1st heat I beat myself against the boards for awhile then settled down,managed to pull a 3rd out of it, but it was ugly. 2nd heat was a hollow victory,two of the guys who have thier car sorted out couldnt make the race so I took a easy 1st, not to take anything away from the other guys,they just need more track time. The main was a serious battle between myself and one of the guys that missed the 2nd heat, we fought for every turn, never more than 2 or 3 feet apart! And amazingly and I am very proud of this,despite my forum name we never touched fenders! By luck or pressure the other driver flinched and stuffed it into the board on the 2nd to las turn,WHEW!!! Never has 5 minutes taken so long! It was a good day and looking forward to next week. :D

[trakhak]

Forgot to mention I have a set of sway bars and adj. upper links for cheap.They will work on the stk susp. arm set up(kit type). Let me know.... :rolleyes:

[TeamSin]

I just got my sway bar set and now Im thinking of ordering a set of extra long susp. arms. Are you saying that I cant use my sway bars with the longer arms??? Also what kind of advantages do the long arms have as far as handling.

[trakhak]

I believe I mantioned it in my previous reply that the long arm set-up comes with a front and rear set of sway bars that are wider for the new arms, from looking at my sets I think the narrow set will work if you bend them wider alittl bit, which in turn will give you a couple more bar rates to work with. But if I am wrong they only ran about 8 or 9 bucks right? You can always sell to the other guy that is going to to buy a kit to race with you. :rolleyes:

[trakhak]

Dude the long arm set up is the way to go. It works and drives so much more stable,tracks 200% better, also more shk mounting options,rear toe in,will help you immensely on the oval...

[VenomRS4]

I have a Subaru Impreza WRC TL01. There is going to be a Tl01 class at my local tarck. Please tell me if this is a good set-up.

Futaba MC330CR esc
Team Orion Orbital Pro BB 13x3 motor
Megatech Aluminum adjustable oil shocks
Aluminum turn buckle set
full bearings

How does that sound to you? Think it will be a good set-up?

[trakhak]

Venom...wayyyyy to much motor for this chassis! Try a 15 or 16 turn double and pick up the speed tuned gear set, you will find this to be plenty fast for the track and work on the driving! As for the rest, sounds like your on the right track. :D

[Usagi]

Have you seen this....Club Enthuse4.com (http://www.stc-i.co.jp/ce/images/tl01/tl01.html) It a Great looking chassy saddle packs! and other Horizonal packs. Check it out! ;) :rolleyes:
Check it out! its so cool!

[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Usagi ]

[Usagi]

Sorry its a chassy for the tlo1 chassy go look its really cool!

[trakhak]

It would be alot of work but yes it could be done, plan on trying myself if I run across a used rolling chassis.

[trakhak]

Hey usagi dude cant find the club enthuse site please give us the web address, also want to add that I will be making some add on shk tower mounts out of c.f. will let you know how it goes...

[tc3mike]

I don't own a TL01, but you got me thinking about the car. Would It be possible to make a dual plane graphite chassis for the car. I guess the finished product would look similar to the TA03 pro kit with a shaft drive.

[Usagi]

Ok, Its working................Club Enthuse4.com (http://www.stc-i.co.jp/ce/images/tl01/tl01.html)

This is a chassy that will be made in the up coming year. But it might not be out until maybe April of 2002 ;)

[Crazy Canuck]

That chassis looks really good. It looks like a carbon fibre deck with plastic sides, and Carbon Fibre on the shock towers. How much is it gonna be?

[Usagi]

Well there is some form of the tlo1 chassy, but within the time of the final release it might not have much or any.
Cost, that they are not saying.

[trakhak]

Ok trying to make shk. towers is pretty much out...but I took some carbon fiber and fashioned some LOWER shock mount ext for the frt arms of the long arm set up,ext tabs outward toward the wheel so that I could lay down the shocks more as our track is very high bite,this seems to work very well. It has given me a better turn in at a higher entry into the corners. Now maybe I can enter a turn faster then the other guy and beat him by being able to go deeper to! Also that chassis on the club enthuse page gave me a idea. Instead of replacing the whole chassis, I want to ad a plate of carbon fiber to the underside of the stk chassis and make cut-outs for a saddle pack, maybe like 5 slots per side so I can play around with batt. placement and see how it affects the handling. What do ya think, will it work?

[Usagi]

I like the tl01 chassy I owned one ever since it came out.I been one of the first owners of the TLO1

[dan]

Has anyone split there carbon propeller shaft in half? I did yesterday,i was running my friends 10turn because he wanted to see how fast it would go and when i went for a test run i heard this snapping sound.When i went to look at my car i noticed that the shaft split in half.

[DamianD]

I have been using the carbon shaft for a long time with a Trinity D4 13 turn and never had a problem.

[TeamSinDriver]

TeamSin here,
Thanks for the tip on the extra-long susp. arms :D They helped me get a first two weeks in a row!!!

[bullfrog]

hey guys i have a TLO1 but i dont race it i put a 17 turn double in it and MAN does it fly. geeze but look at u guys with your 13 turn motors man your cars must hual balls!!! BTW what is a carbon prop shaft??? is it the long shaft that makes the car 4wd or is it a shaft that drives the wheels?? thanks o and BTW what other tires rims and bodies will fit on this car you only need to name a few. thanks allot

[ 08-31-2001: Message edited by: bullfrog ]

[dan]

Mr.bullfrog the carbon propeller shaft is that long shaft that makes it 4wd.The carbon one is way lighter then the stock kit one.And you could fit 190mm hpi bodies,rims and tires on your tlo1.

[bullfrog]

HEY THANKS MAN!!!!!

[DamianD]

Bullfrog,

If you are planning on replacing the propeller shaft, it may also be a good idea to replace the gear shafts with the hollow carbon ones (Tamiya Part # 53322).

This way you replace all the steel shafts for carbon shafts that are a lot lighter.

[rapko]

First of all, I am glad I finally found a site for the TL01, Second, whats the difference between the stock gears and the speed tuned gears? Are they metal instead of the cheap plastic? What parts are included in the stabilizer set? Thanks

[damiand]

The speed tuned gear are made of black plastic. They change the gear relationship improving final speed.

I would sugest that if you are thinking about buying the stabilizer set, it would be much better to get the long arm set; it comes with the replacement arms, stabilizer bars, camber adjustment, etc.

[rapko]

About the stabilizer set... I always shop from Tower because there are no hobby shops around here. They only have one stabilizer set for the tl01 and it doesn't specify which one it is. Does anyone know what one it is? It costs 6.49. One last thing, can I use 19,21,and 23 tooth pinions with the speed tuned gear set? Thanks again in advance.

[trakhak]

Yes.. you can use those pinions with the speed tuned set, the set changes your final drive ratio and it will give you more gearing options, as far as the stab. set, save your money and buy the long arm set up instead. it comes with a stab. set and all sorts of high end adj., camber,shk. placement, more rear toe in, etc.

[4age]

what are the best stock motor's and gears. I am new and any help would be great.

Thanks.

[Usagi]

Hi Again.. I posted this chassy upgrade awhile ago. But I hearing here they will be doin a production of it very soon. http://www.stc-i.co.jp/ce/images/tl01/sobaya.gif It reinforces the front and rear of the chassy and under as well. WOW side by side packs and configs! WOW

[DamianD]

Project TL01,

Did you check the aluminum steering blocks from Integy for the TL01? They do have them in stock and they look good.

[Project TL01]

WOW!! Usagi that looks like something I'll need for my TL01.
Hi everyone, it's been a very long while since I've been posting here at all. Just been real bust moving, getting married and settling into work. Not a whole long has changed with my <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/gtpro/index.html">Project TL01</a> since you may have last visited other than my getting the 10T Quad tuned up, geting some new wheels and tires and getting yet another body for the car... Civic Si!!!
Just out of curiosity, is anyone else waiting for GPM to ship out some front steering knuckles to Hobby Etc.??? I know I am. Those, the carbon gear shafts and speed tuned gears are the only hop-ups left that I need.

[aphex4000]

Does anyone you know if the long suspension arm set comes with longer drive shafts(universals maybe?) Tower Hobbies does not have any description of this part. I'm thinking about getting it, but would like to know exactly what I'm getting first. It anyone has a complete parts list for this hopup I'd really appreciate it if you posted it, thanks!

[DamianD]

Aphex,

No, it doesn't come with new shafts.
What you get is:
- New front and rear arms
- New sway bars
- New steering knuckles
- New front hubs
- New rear uprights
- Adjustable camber hardware

BTW, if you already have the optional Tamiya turnbuckles, they do not work any more with this upgrade. Instead I am using a Lunsford Titanium 1.25" turnbuckle.

[aphex4000]

DamianD, thanks! So I'm assuming I'll need to replace all four drive shafts since they would be too short after the mod, yeah?

[DamianD]

Aphex,

No, you do not need new shafts, but you will find that you have some extra space between each part.

Anyhow, I did change the shafts with the TSD Universals sold by Integy. They are very good. They are made by a japanese company named Eagle Racing.

At Integy these parts are named TSD Universal for TL01, and they come in pairs, so you would need 2 of them.

[aphex4000]

Damian, thankyou so much! You have been a great help. This will be a costly upgrade so I'll need to think about it a bit. Still need a faster motor...

[Project TL01]

Well, I really wanted the C-hubs from GPM cuz they had the bearings, so I went ahead and ordered those and opted for the Megatech steering knuckles. It doesn't really matter which steering knuckles I get cuz I'm polishing them anyways. I'll let y'all know when I get them.
I did get the Hollow Carbon Gear Shafts though and I'm going to install them this weekend.
Almost there..... :D

[Killer TL01]

hehehehe. I'm back. rcently got my tL01 going again. The motor needs trued and some new brushes. but for a motor that's a year old and has to many rns on it the car still flys. M project never did start. Ibe designed it and all b ut no $$$$$$$$$$ to build i. until I found a guy who would do it for me. Windtunnel racing. Havent heard from him yet but I hope I do soon. gtg

[Killer_TL01]

okay this is the real me. lost my old account and password but finally remembered it. MY TL01 is going on the shelf for awhile only because I'm getting a new rc. but when I feel as if I need something I know that is reliable I will always bring it out and race it. But thats if I dont get my chassis back in awhile that I desinged. heck I'm desinging a new TC that I hope will be done by the end of the year. well atleast the design by the ne dof the year. gtg class is almost over.

Killer_TL01:D :D :D ;) :p

[abs0lut3]

sup guys..I'm almost a quite happy guy...it's my second TL-01 (planning to buy some more of course) and somehow (I need to tore it apart again I guess)..my left front is sloppy and the suspension action is not as smooth as the one on the right. I'm running the speed gear with 19 teeth, a 19T Chameleon Pro, Traxxas XL1, full ball bearings (get them at hobbypeople.net....4 bucks for 4), 4 OFNA touring rims (8 bucks for 8 @sheldons) and 2 sets Duratrax slicks for Street Force GP (7.99 for 4 @tower). I got two sets of CVA sport (that's the way i want to call it) from my TB-01s but they're unfortunately still too bouncy for the car. Any recommendations guys?

[RC Guy123]

Help!!! whats better a tlo1 upgraded to death or a tc3 racer kit

i was very close to buying a tc3 but this forum has given me new hope in my little tl01

also how much differencein speed does the carbon shaft and speed tuned gears mkake

[Project TL01]

Honestly, I think the TC3 is a better car out of the box for racing, but for a really basic car with lots of ho-up potential the TL01 is great.
As for the carbon shaft and speed tuned gears... the carbon shaft is I think7 or 14 grams lighter(???) Either way it's alot lighter and has a HUGE impact on acceleration. The gears improve acceleration AND top end to make the car even faster. The Gears are really the only hop-up left for me and I'll have THE most hopped up TL01 around (that I know of at least)!!!

[Dj Kumara]

Whats the next hop-up I should get for my TL01? Should I get new shocks, long susp. arms, etc?
I've got a an ESC, ball bearings, front univerals and steering turnbuckles. Thanks

[Dj Kumara]

Hey Usagi,
Is that Chassis going to be produced by Tamiya? Do you if it will be exported out to places like New Zealand? Thanks

[help tuning]

hi
can any one tell me what i should do to my tlo1 to make it faster?
I have ball bearings set, 23 tooth pinion, speed tuned gear set and a ball diff but i dont know wether to set the ball diff on tight or loose plz help:confused:

thanks:)

[aphex4000]

How many of you TL-01 owner have upgraded with ball diffs? How important is this upgrade?

[RC Guy123]

can an upgraded tl-01 be competitive with a tc3

[Project TL01]

Usagi,
Any word on that chassis? My Project has stalled and I'm thinking about selling. I need something to relight the fire. Let us know!!!

PS: If I sold would anyone be interested in THE top of the line TL01 chassis with 90% full aluminum suspension? No electronics of course, no Mustang body, and I'd probly keep the aluminum wheels, but you'd get a completely upgraded TL01 ready to show off or race.
Email me with an offer.
Go HERE (http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/gtpro/index.html)

[CrX1988Zc]

where are you guys getting the long suspension arm set? ive looked and cant seem to find them. thanks.

[Aluma]

right now I have a TL01 subaru with Vrage tires that i use to jump and bash around...so far its done 2ft high jumps no prob...and I've done cartwheels and flips and skids and anyother thing you can think of, the body has taken a beating but the chassis is still great. i bet with some rally tires I can probably go off road with it...now how do I get more ground clearence?
:D

[bulldozer]

if you realy want to hop up a tl01 do what i did
get your hands on a yokomo yr4 or parts from one
i had a basket case yr4 given to me for 5 dollars
the uiniversal joint axles work better than dog bones
the shocks work beter on tl01 than yr4
all your upper control arms can be replaced with tie rods from yr4
giving a lot more tuning options
sway bars are hard to fit but possible
since new yr4 parts are hard to get you can find older cars cheap enough

i race mine when i dont feel like running my tc3 against tc3 im not wining very often but it does compete realy good
i can fly like a rocket on the straights but cornering is still where the tc3s kill me
if i get ambitious im going to put ball difs in next

[bulldozer]

use tires and rims from
tamiya stadium raider (another tlo1 kit ) work perfect
or traxxas rustler back wheels on the front and back
( but tl01 gearing with these tires will cause electronics to get realy hot ) i only use these tires for high speed runs for insane top speed to pick on my buddies gas trucks

[Aluma]

hey thanx for the ground clearance tip! but that not cool about the electronics... so the wheels are bigger, but will they fit under the stock imprezza body?

[bulldozer]

you will have to make larger wheel openings and raise the body
the cost of bigger wheels my bmw body rally tl01 looked really mean with the stadium raider wheels

[Aluma]

cool... well i've been reading the begging of this forum...
from what i can sum up....

hopped UP TL01 can whoop on hopped UP TC3 or any other car?


Am i right on this...cuz if soo, then I'll hop up too instead of buying a new TB01.

Can you guys clarify some more?

[bulldozer]

you can hop up a tl-01 but the tc3 can be hoped up to running the same equipment in both the tl-01 and tc3 you would have to be extremly lucky to beat the tc3 for every 1 hop up for the tl-01 there are probley 10 for the tc3

dont get me wrong i love my tl-01 but reality sucks
its still not a top of the line touring car

Before you buy that new tamiya car price the tc3 and losi xxxs
there the cars that are sweeping the market right now and i have seen there prices pretty cheap at different stores

[Crazy Canuck]

Its all realative. Look at the TL01, it has to spin way more gears to get the power to the ground. Thats more friction right there. Given the same amount of money, the TC3 will whup the TL01. It all about the front and centre one-ways. Plus the TL01 wont take saddle packs w/o mods. The Tl01 is a great beginner car, and a great project car, because with enough resources, it can be made competitive.

Without oneways, and with all those bulky gears, and the high CG, a TL01 will not be able to take a TC3 without a lot of work.

[Aluma]

thanks guys for the clarification! saved me some cash... :)

yeah, my LHS has TC3's, Losi's, and Traxxas...I guess that would be the best thing to buy. but I want to jump with the car and a expensive touring car just doesnt seem to bright to do that with...

I guess the TB01 it's gonna be....

[cow on wheels]

when i first got into rc, i thought tamiya wer quite good (2 yrs ago) coz of all the kits theyve made so i went out an bought a tlo1. and now i hate it.
I DONT LIKE TLO1 COZ:
i hate my crappy stock steering arms on my tlo1, u can never get it 2 go straight!!!!!!!!!!!!
i get rteeeeaally pi$$ed off at it however much i adjust the trims it either goes left or right, never straight!
im thiunkin of gettin som turnbuckle tie rods for it which will hopefully make it go straight with some setting up.
i ramped my tlo1 once off a ramp made out of plywood at 60 degrees and i did this a few times then i landed 1nce and 2 of my gold six spokes (i have subaru impreza kit) kraked down the middle to the hex drive and another was completely round one minute and the next minute after ramping part of it had a flat side so it got 2 sides (hoo ever herd of 2 sided weel!!!!)
so i got pi$$ed agen an didnt play with it 4 a month until i got new wheels and tyres (matching).
another thing that happen last week was the dodgy little machaniucal speed controller fried coz of me running low speeds 4 too long!!!!! i smeel sumthing burning so left it 4 half hour and i took the resistor off on cheked it then looked at wires an blue one and one of purple wires stuck together!!!!!
so separated them with hobby knife and tried it, couldnt get reverse, couldnt get middle speed, only get full throttle forward!!
i got pi$$ed agen an now im decidin 2 get cheap esc for £20 coz im not thinkin of upgradin n e thin else coz im gettin factyory team RC10 GT 4 krismas an gonna spend rest of money on that!
jus shows how CRAPPY tamiya an ther tlo1 can be!
another thing that shows how crap tamiya r, u N-E-V-E-R see them on the podium or finish top ten in n e national/international races!

[Crazy Canuck]

Thr problems you describe are problems not specific to the TL01, they happen when you abuse something, it will happen to any car. With any MSC if you run it at low speed it burns out. And if you jump your Touring Car off a 60 degree ramp, you WILL break something.

[bulldozer]

canuk you hit that nail on head
hes dumping on the car for operator error

[cow on wheels]

ok ,well maybe some of its my fault but the crappy little steering rods arent!!!!!! it just never wonts to go straight!!
and its true about u never see tamiya on the podium at national and international races EVER!
i think tamiya r crap!
im turning to HPI

[bulldozer]

tamiya tl01 was never designed as a top level car
but tamiya does have cars that can do better than hpi from the way you are talking you wont be satisfied with any car

[Crazy Canuck]

The reason there are no Tamiya cars in American races is that Tamiya doesnt have factory drivers. If you go to Japan, most major races are won by Tamiyas.

[Aluma]

You know, that guy is right about the going straight thing...I thought it was just me... I've messed with the trim lots of times and it never has gone straight even when I first built it...and my MSC also fried.... but only after installing a 19T motor... so maybe that was my fault. :) and get this, the gold wheels from my subaru also cracked in half after accidentally sliding sideways into a curb.(hey it was raining that day and just installed that 19T)

cool...TC3 eh? i dunno, i want to PLAY with my car not have to clean it every freakin time i run it! well, I guess i'll see what i can do...

[Crazy Canuck]

You dont have to clean a TC3 every time you run it. Its a good idea if you race, but not otherwise. As for the steering arms, its a servo problem more than anything else. The wheels should not point straight, they should toe out about 2 degrees. That improves handling. Keep playing w/the trim, but with a standard servo, you will always have that problem.

[randywmorgan]

Bought a used TL01 for $75.00 at Schoolyard R/c Speedway in Lagrange, Indiana, has a Hitec Lynx AM radio, 3 battery packs (1200, 1800, and 2400 mah), a Duratrax Esc-100 Fwd/Rev esc, Trinity Midnight 2 Motor, a set of hpi chrome wheels & treaded tires (what it came with) and I put on some Hpi Rally Tires so i can go in the backyard. Question: Do I need to gear down so the esc shouldn't burn up and what pinion to use? Btw, I don't have the instructions, yet, so I can't disassemble the car, yet :)

--- Randy Woods Morgan

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah, go down to the 19, then try the 21 if it seems to be running too slow. The larger rally tires need a higher gear ratio.

[Aluma]

hey guys, just busted my rear gear cover! :( time for new chassis I guess cuz the rear arm has moved rearward...if you must know...i clipped the rear arm on a steel pole going full speed...turned too soon :) hehe

surprised it didn't rip it apart!

great car for backyard bashing... :)

[randywmorgan]

Well I drove my TL01 outside today and it sure is quick! It wont run in the grass as well as I expected, but what do you expect from car with very little ground clearance? Is there a way to get more ground clearance without doing anything really radical? I'm really thinking about making this a Project TL01 Rally. Oh yes, I love my car! :D --- Randy Woods Morgan

[Aluma]

only thing is to get the stadium raider wheels and hope your motor dont over heat...

although I did find a way to modify the shocks so that the car doesnt bottom out.... my chassis is ALL scratched up and some of the screws too... so i just put in one those plastic bearings that came with the kit on the shock rod outside the shock....



its just enough so that there's 1mm of ground clearance with the shock fully depressed.

[randywmorgan]

Must find longer shocks. --- Randy Woods Morgan

[jasonrcfreak]

hello people-

Last winter, we started a TL O1 Truck class at my local track. We did allow electronic esc's and different wheels and tires, but everything else was stock. We ALL had to run the Mabuchi silver can motors. Everyone ran the Ford Lightning body kits. It was really cools seeing all the pickups running around the track. We had a blast and it was a cheap way to race. :D

[Aluma]

Hey guys i was wondering what are possible substitutions for the TL01's shocks? do OIL shocks make a BIG difference? oh and what size?

can i use HPi shocks? Kyosho? Associated? which would be cheaper? what do you recommend?



Also, I got the speed gear things and was wondering if would be good to use a 19T or 23T pinion with a stock motor it comes with?

I also ordered a Dyna-Run motor and was wondering what pinion is best for a road course track? I dont think its a long oval track...

oh, i just got that new light chassis too and looks really sharp! (I broke the rear of my original....)

and I also got the swaybar....where does it go bestand which one, black or silver? front or rear? another thing i cant figure out is whether or not the endlinks of the swaybar go INTO the holders(they dont seem to fit and i dont want to break them) or just rest on those holders.

HELP!!! i start racing saturday...

[Mason Copeland]

I will be getting a tl01 soon, I will be racing also, updates later...

[phatvw1]

Hey,

You're not alone. I ordered my TL01 from Tower Hobbies last week while I was in NJ. Unfortunately, I had to leave a few days early, before it arrived, otherwise I'd be building it right now:mad:.

Since I'm new to the hobby, I'll be here a lot asking a few questions.

Cheers,
Andy

[aphex4000]

Hi, I no longer own a TL-01, but I used to have the same steering problems like some of you did. The cause of steering problem is a combination of the freespinning planetary diffs and the lack of toe-in.

The stock gear differentials are very very loose even when the supplied grease is liberally added. Try to upgrade to ball differentials if possible(expensive, I know...) or try using a heavier grease in the differentials.

As for the steering arms, replace them with adjustable tie rods as soon as possible and configure your cars with a little bit of toe in.

I enjoyed this car to quite a while before I finally had to sell it(needed the money) but it is a well designed entry to mid level car. It can even be highly competitive when in the hands of a skilled driver, but like someone mentioned above, if you treat it like a basher and jump it off ramps, it will behave like a basher.

Good luck with your steering problems...I hope this is helpful.

[phatvw1]

I was about to suggest the adjustable turnbuckles tie-rods, but supposedly they are incompatible with the long arm susp. set. Any suggestions for an alternative?

*edit: I'm deciding whether I should get the tie-rods, or wait until I can afford the long arm suspension, but I see that many have the L-Arm susp setup.

[Aluma]

oh boy oh boy I cant wait till all the stuff I ordered comes in...

rear toe in hubs, LRP ESC, mini CVA's, tie-rod adjusters, buncha other stuff I cant even remember all of it... :)

:D

oh yeah Dyna run racing motor... :p

uuu hope this'll be fun!!!

[DamianD1]

It is better if you get the Long Arm Susp. Set.

It is not compatible with the Tamiya TL01 adjustable steering turnbuckels, but you can get titanium turnbuckles from Lunsford.

[Killer_TL01]

Hey Usag...any new news on that chassis that is coming out for the TL01...or do you even know...cause I'm waiting for it...

Killer_TL01

[phatvw1]

What chassis???:confused: Is there a new lightweight chassis coming out? Oh boy!!

[Aluma]

HOWDY everyone!! just woke up from yesterday's FIRST day of racing! WOAH! what an experience....my transponder fell off during the first qualifier... but on the second qualifier i managed to get 3rd place finish...and ended up 5th on the main.

I also finished 5th place behind a Pro 3, factory team TC3's, and get this, I was running a Nikko stock motor with a little fan of somekind in it....nikko tires, friction shocks...only good thing i had was a ESC....

I got 17laps in 5:mins or so...those guys were doing21, and 20 laps respectively.... then there was the rest....16laps,15,14,13.

got my dynarun racing motor AFTER i got home...stupid slow mail...and my other stuff is in the post office...this bites...

well, im happy! i managed to drive way better than these other guys...they were all over the place, they kept hitting me and turning over, i need to get that carbon shaft set... :) and some GOOD slicks.... :)

[Aluma]

HOLY SMOKES!!!!! I finished installing my dyna run motor... :O
:O

i had it with stock gears and 19T pinion at first...accels like heck, but the motor heated up within 1-2 mins.... overgeared... so I put in the tuned gear set and a 23T pinion... woah its fast! my tires dont even hook up(v-rage 24mm) ... :)

imagine with slicks and a sticky track...uuuuuuu :)

[abs0lut3]

Guys...someone stole my TL-01 :( I had a quick party at my house last thx giving and my guests weren't too happy the way I handle it (it wasn't my party either..they just borrow my house). THANK GOD they didn't take my TB-01 though heheh :D :D...well I'm still thinking of buying TL-01 again..since I haven't really quite felt the fun of it...sure it doesn't have the ground clearance for rallying (pssst..TB-01 doesn't have it either) but who cares...one tip for you guys who wants a firmer (the stock set up is too bouncy at times) shock action: find a friend of yours who owns a TB-01 and he/she no longer using their shock spacers. It's a cheap trick but it would firmed up the spring rate and lower the profile too. I think my next project would be a Mercedes Benz ML series bodies TL-01...I just got some Kyosho 2.2" rims last month..although it doesn't fit under my impreza body...I wonder what it would look like under a SUV body? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[newguy21]

would the car be able to handle a trinity speed gem 17T motor?

[phatvw1]

I don't see a problem, but you would need to replace the MSC with an ESC capable of handling it and I has been suggested that you install a speed-tuned gear set as well. I'm 75% certain this is what you have to deal with as you install the motor. Wait until the others reply, they're a little more experienced and I am about to do a similar mod my self (Trinity Monsters of Touring 19t)

[newguy21]

i already have an esc capable of 13T, but i was told that the tranny or something wouldn't be able to handle anything much more than 17T. how much do speed-tuned gear sets go for?

[phatvw1]

They're $9 at Tower Hobbies +shipping... not worth it if your hobby shop has 'em.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXGJ63&P=7

[DamianD1]

Newguy,

You should change to ball bearings if you have not done so. The plastic bushings generate too much friction, and will probably melt at high RPM.

Besides, friction makes your car waste a lot of energy and shorten your run time.

[Aluma]

hey guys, my TL01 has recently begun to make a clacking sound...near the rear end...any clue as to what's wrong?

I checked the gears and they're perfect....you think i busted a bearing?

[phatvw1]

can you fill the stock tl-01 shocks with shock oil? ...or would you suggest replacing the shocks with threaded ones? which ones would you suggest?

[Crazy Canuck]

Nope, cant put shock oil in TL01 friction shocks. Upgrade to threaded shocks if you have the $$. Otherwise, you can use AE plastic shocks, but you have to do some mods and use different screws to make them fit.

[newguy21]

Originally posted by DamianD1
Newguy,

You should change to ball bearings if you have not done so. The plastic bushings generate too much friction, and will probably melt at high RPM.

Besides, friction makes your car waste a lot of energy and shorten your run time.

and how much should ball bearings cost? i'm guessing they're a ***** to install?:(

[newguy21]

is this what i would need?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXTR73&P=M

[ShinHed]

Might be cheaper on e B a y.

[DamianD1]

Newguy,

You could get the Duratrax bearings you mentioned, or you could get these other:

Tamiya:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXGJ43&P=7

Integy
http://secure400.automatedshops.com/cgi-bin/ams/shopzone30.cgi/~wfp16353/st_prod.html?p_prodid=271&p_catid=14&sid=2dODWE0Va2cD9Lp-42102402702.c0

Or you could find any place that sells good quality sealed ball bearings. You need 24 of them of size 5x11 mm.

[DamianD1]

Newguy,

Regarding how to put the bearings on your car, you have to disassemble the whole thing, but it is really worth it.

Good luck.

[Aluma]

hi everyone, :( got back from 2nd race...:( with dynarun motor, and 23T pinion and adj.tierods and slicks and oil shocks...:(

still sucks! i can keep up better and improved from 17 laps to 20, but the car understeers excessively and I keep going too wide and hit the pipes almost all the time! anyone know how to get better turn in? I have the hard rear swaybar and it helped minimally! AHHHH!!! :(

TL01 is great basher, not too sure I want to keep hoppin up to compete against factory TC3's(although I did smoke some of them) this turning thing is buggin the **** outta me!


do I toe out in front or toe in?

[ShinHed]

Its best to upgrade to a new car. Tamiya fan? If so, a Ta03 or Tao4.

[Killer_TL01]

Aluma...what kinda tires are you running. Also what kinda springs and shock oil. This all makes a difference in how the TL01 turns.
My setup is like this.

Tamiy Super Slicks with firm inserts
Stock shock oil that came with the shock kit
Blue springs in the rear and red in the front (Tamiya ofcourse)
I use a soft stabilizer bar in the rear and none in the front.

With this setup I have no poblem turning..well unless its cold out then it grips worth junk (thats when its time to break the Type A tires out...hehehe).

It all depends on what kinda suspension setup yove got..mine is okay but it can e better

Killer_TL01

[Aluma]

well, i'm running chrome springs with 70W upfront and 50W rear.
hard rear sway, rear 3deg. toe in hubs, oh and c32 Takeoff tires with medium inserts with adj. tierods(thinking of going back to normal tierods, dont see a difference)

[Crazy Canuck]

More toe out will give you more steering entering the corner. If you are tight everywhere, you need more weight transfer to the front. A thicker rear shock oil would do this.

[DamianD1]

Aluma,

I copied some notes from the HPI site F.A.Q. that I think will help you with the steering problem.

"The more toe in you have the more stable the car is but the less steering it has. The more toe out you have the more steering you have but the car is less stable and feels more twitchy. In the front, toe in will give you less turn in and make the rear feel more stable. Toe out in the front will give you really good turn in but may make the car spin out. More rear toe in will give the rear of the car more stability but decrease the amount of overall steering you have while decreasing the amount of rear toe in (you never want toe out in the rear) will give you more steering but make the back spin easily."

[trakhak]

Hey you guys need to pickup the wide susp. arm set-up, THAT will solve all your handling problems, I have it and spank the hell out of the exotic cars. No need to buy a new car the TLO1 car is a good car! Read some of the very first posts, they will tell you all you need to know. Or send me your questions and I will do my best to help you out. I have been racing 2 set up this way and they both smoke! I need to sell one so if anyone is interested let me know, it has a ton of hop-ups. And to answer your question, no I am not selling it to by a better car,I love my TLO1, I just need money!

[volvo480]

whenever i clip a curb with my front wheel the steering goes of center. i can adjust the steering trim and it drives straight again until I hit something again. It seems to be getting worse as it can even happen when going over small bumps.

I have stripped out the servo and checked the servo saver which seems to be working OK.

I thought that the servo horn might be stripping the teeth on the servo but that also looks OK.

Is this a TL01 problem or a servo problem?

:confused:

[Crazy Canuck]

Both, but mostly servo. You probably have a chipped servo gear tooth.

IMHO, the TL01 was not designed well in terms of protecting the servo. Get a servo with metal gears, that should solve the problem.

[trakhak]

Of course you could always try keeping between the boards!!

[cow on wheels]

wots the part # 4 the wide susp arm set?????
im thinkin of stickin a ko or futaba servo on it an gettin sum tunbuckle tie rods and mtronics msonik 3 20 turn speed controller an some proline gumby rims with sum proline v-rage's or proline fury's f/r an sum inserts,
but i dont no wot it means by soft medium or hard!
i ned help on wether to get soft medium or hard! i am racing on tarmac

[Crazy Canuck]

Assuming I understand your question correctly,
Dont get the V Rage. They suck. They have absolutely no grip to speak of. Try proline Sedan Hawgs instead, they have much more grip.

If the soft/Med/Hard refers to the tires, then choose based on how much money you have to spend. Softer tires grip better, but wear faster. Also, for very hot track temps, use harder tires.

If you are referring to inserts, go with soft or medium. If the track has good traction, use med, if it is slippery, use soft. Softer inserts will allow the tires to grip better, but they will have a higher rolling resistance, so for a low bite track, use soft, because you want to be able to accellerate. What good is top speed if you cant accellerate to it?

[cow on wheels]

those r radials! im racing on road, not off road
wot bout the fury or road rage?
will i need n e thing else if i get the wide susp arm set?
coz i will probably pouring quite a bit of money into this thing and i dont wont to put much more than £100 in it coz im savin up to get a new nitro

[trakhak]

Hey, a doc....thats what we are talking about too! The tires CC was talking about are on road tires. Nitro stinks and is messy, elect is much more reliable, stay with that for awhile.

[mr4tc693]

I have a TL-01 and i havent done anything to it yet, except for suspension pins, bearings, lightweight chassis, and one speed gear(need to get the full set). Is it worth hopping up or should i spend all my money on my mr4tc?
-mr4tc693

[volvo480]

I've just fitted turnbuckles...
can anyone recomend what to set the toe in to...
I will be racing on carpet on a fairly short but technical circuit....

any advice?

[Aluma]

well, mine understeered like crazy once i put in the rear 3 degree toe in hubs...I just toe zero or toe out in front to help turn in really well....but dont toe out too much, you'll spin out easily.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Originally posted by mr4tc693
I have a TL-01 and i havent done anything to it yet, except for suspension pins, bearings, lightweight chassis, and one speed gear(need to get the full set). Is it worth hopping up or should i spend all my money on my mr4tc?
-mr4tc693

The tl01 is a "beginners" kit... the mr4tc is a pro kit... thats the major diff... now what you can do is really upgrade that tl01... i dunno if you saw my Type R of the tl01, but it has every single hop in it... from a front-way unit to aluminum parts... everything was built from ground up, no kit was bought... overall value i would say is $500 with the electronics...:cool:

[TRF Drive Hard]

How many mills between the ground and the chassis?:cool:

[cow on wheels]

wots the part no for the long susp arm set??????

[Clod Killer]

Tamiya Long Suspension Arm Set TL01/FF2
Manufacturer Stock# 53467
Tower's Low Price $46.99

[TRF Drive Hard]

So does this long suspension really handle well? but doesnt it widen the car?:confused:

[Saboteur]

Hey all. How fast you think a tl01 with a p2k pro will go? Was thinking of getting that motor to stick in my car along with an esc.

[ShinHed]

Originally posted by TA03 Drive Hard
So does this long suspension really handle well? but doesnt it widen the car?:confused:

I was on the HPI Forum (Non HPI Electrics to be exact) and some guy was talking about how swell his car worked with the long arm upgrade. It was for the TB01 but, I'ms sure you guys can get the same results with a TL01. My new buddy Hiro can hook ya'll up cheap. Just ask him.:)
http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~hirofact/HOME.html

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hiro of Gundam???:p eekasaur how much???:D

[ShinHed]

How much? I don't know but tower has the long sus. kit for TB01 for $62 and he has it for $38 so, I'm guessing it will be dirt cheap for the TL01. I don't care about TL01's so I never asked him.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hmmm so how bout a hook up?:confused:

[trakhak]

For those of you running on carpet start at 5mm frt and 4 mm rear height and see how it goes, run the shks with hvy oil and stiff springs. And as far as the wide arms making the car wider, It does not make the track of the car wider, it moves the outer susp pin out more, into the wheel deeper. Like the exotic cars susp. , look at a TC3 and look at your TLO1 and you will see what I mean, believe me spend the money and it will instantly turn your car into a serious threat, no more traction rolls, no more frt end push, no spinouts. And you have more tuning options,forget the alum. bits and get something that will help your car.

[Crazy Canuck]

Part number?

[cow on wheels]

i woz thinkin of stikin a 12t motor in the car with my speed tuned gear set an i woz wunderin, kood it handle the power? if not wo bout 14t motor???????

[randywmorgan]

Okay, I've looked for parts to modify my tl01 to rally status and come to this conclusion: This project is going to be interesting and difficult!! lol :D

[Saboteur]

yeah my friend is runnin a d4 10t single in his tl01. It can handle about any kind of motor. For faster acceleration stick with the 19t pinion. For higher top end speed go with the 23t(but you will get less run time), for inbetween, get the 21t pinion.

[cow on wheels]

my frend sed that it would melt the chassis if u stuk the 12t or lower into it and the lhs showed him a tlo1 wich had dun exactky that.
so thats y im askin. an the shaft that hold 1 of the gears had also got krapped in sum way but cant remember now

[TRF Drive Hard]

Blah blah blah... thats all fairytales... i slapped a 10 quad D4... and nothin happend... all you get is some insane speeds in a kit that suppose to be for beginners... a true racer i say:D plus make sure your bearings flow freely without restraint... your diff gear also move like water... keep in mind that a well lubed tranny will prevent the meltdown... so far my tl01 work flawlessly:cool:

[DamianD1]

It depends on how you gear your car. If you overgear you may burn your motor, or chasis or something else.

If you gear correctly you won't have any problems.

[Saboteur]

right tao3! I cant wait to slap a mod motor in my tl01 to really get some top end speed, but a p2k will do nicely. :)

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hmm, they should do an article on how much pain can a tl01 take;)

[Aluma]

i have a Dyna run racing motor from Tamiya, and with the 19T pinion and stock gears this thing slightly melted the lightweight chassis. :(


weird! almost fused both ends!

[DamianD1]

Aluma,

That is strange. I run a D4 13 turn with the speed tuned gears and a 21T pinion and the motor gets hot but not nearly enough to melt the chassis.

Something else must be wrong with your set up.

[Aluma]

well, it could of been that I ran the car thru 2 or 3 packs on the race track... one after another.... :):D

[TRF Drive Hard]

That could be it... not allowing cooling in between can do that... do you have a heatsink for the motor?

[DamianD1]

I still think that it should not melt your chassis. Have you checked your ball bearings, diffs, transmision, etc.?

[TRF Drive Hard]

And what Damian said... make sure your tranny is as smooth as water... your car should move freely with a push... if it stops on a "dime" then its having a hard time trying to actually move... this will cause strain to the motor, esc, and battery... all that power is trying to move it, so its like working all 3 hard but gettin nowhere.

[PITSTAIN RC]

im putting a 17turn double orion in my TL01, i had a P2K Pro in there and it was very fast.

im installing the Long arm set , half done so far.....looks sweet, the geometry is much better now less camber change during the action up and down, i also put in full bearings hollow carbon gear shafts and the carbon main shaft, super low friction dampers, speed tuned gears, 23t pinion (for the 17t orion), light weight chassis (drilled out cooling holes to match up with the vents in the motor can on the orion, (to improve the non-existant colling),
Novak reactor speed control, and a hitec 605MG servo for the steering.

here is a very old pic of my TL01
http://www.networktechniques.com/pitstain/images/light2.jpg

[Aluma]

well, no, i dont have a heat sink for it... :( never found the one that fit a TL01. and besides, I'm going to retire it from service....
I now have a TB evolution 2.

but Im curious...how do you get the tranny to be smooth as water? LOTS of grease? what kind?

You can hear the gears LOUDLy on mycar.

[Saboteur]

Yeah i put the grease between the teeth. Also some on the counter gear on my tl01. Makes it quieter. I dont use a heatsink since my motor rarely gets hot. Gets lots of air that passes under the car since i've raise the body a bit

[Crazy Canuck]

Try the TC3 short clip on heatsink. I think it fits, not sure though.

[cow on wheels]

fastrax makes a range of klip on heat sinks - lool very nice
i put graese on every bit of the tranny and the little axle/rods that go through the gears that hod them in place, its very smooth an it will rolll about almost a meter wen i push it.
i use mobil blue grease for cars an its a bit thik for rc use so i jus give it kwik spray of wd40 or sumthin like that

[Aluma]

good news!!!

it werent the motor than melted the chassis.... it was the brake cleaner i used to clean the motor... :P


LOL!!! and NO WONDER I ALWAYS LAG BEHIND....

my dynarun motor =18K rpms MAX!!!

everyone else using some P2K and a variant of it...30K+ rpms...

time for me to change motors huh....hehehhehe

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hmmm... thats funny, you didnt mention to use that you used brake cleaner... if you did then maybe one of us could have told you the problem:p but at least you found out;) btw, never use stuff that dont belong other than its purpose;) :D

[DanzST]

I'm in the process of trying to get a TL-01 car. I currently have a TA-02 chassis F-150 and a Duratrax Evader ST. I'd like to pick up the TL-01 as my "street" car. I am bidding on Ebay on the "Becker" porsche TL-01. I've also considered the Opel version from Tower Hobbies. Does anyone have a preference on body style? Are the wheel styles different in each kit? Is this chassis relatively tunable for the street and "mild" racing action? Any information would help. Thanks.

Dan

[Saboteur]

The tl01 can be raced and the chassis is really durable. Though stock, the friction dampers you need to get rid ofand get oil filled TC shocks for racing since the stock ones give the car about 10mm or more of ground clearance. I like the opel body, its really nice. Also some of the TL01 kits with the new bodies come with slick tires.

[DamianD1]

Dan,

The first thing you have to get rid of are those plastic bushings and get ball bearings. That really makes a big difference.

[Crazy Canuck]

You should also get a foam bumper if you plan to race. The best oil shocks Ive found to put on the TL01 are the Ascosciated VCS plastic body ones. They are relatively cheap, and they are a bit difficult to mount, but they work quite well once you get them on.

[Aluma]

hey guys, is oil supposed to come out of the shocks? I filled my optional CVA shocks with 30w oil and the top is screwed on tight and i followed procedures like it says... I ran the car and when i checked it, some oil was on the plastic part of the shocks.


well, lets see... you fill it with oil, move shaft up/down to get rid of bubbles, fill to top, put little rubber thing on top, wipe excess that drips out, screw cap, thats it right?

did I do something wrong?

[DanzST]

Thanks for the info. Any particular place that you get the parts from? I'm still waiting to hear from the seller, if he wants to deal. Specifically, where did you all get your shocks from? Which part numbers if possible? I'll keep you all posted and I'm sure I'll have more questions.

[DanzST]

I know this is not the best place to ask this, but here goes. I am considering the TL-01 of course. I wondered, how does the HPI RS4 Sport compare to the TL-01? It would cost me about $20-$30 more, is it worth it? I already have a motor and esc that i could put in it. What do you think?

[Saboteur]

The hpi rs4 sport2 is in competition range with the tl01. The hpi rs4 sport2 can use several upgrades to become the hpi pro2. One is belt and one is shaft drive. Doesnt matter which car because both are good and can be raced. Except if you want to put saddle packs on ur car,best to go with the sport2, since the tl01 chassis only accepts stick packs.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

53280 is the part number for the shocks i use

super low friction dampers.....these things are sweet the have teflon pistons and shaft guides and the inside of the shock bodies are mirror polished, sooooo smooth

got them at tower hobies here (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXGJ29&P=7) for 51.99

http://www.gpmd.com/images/tamc5282.jpg

[Aluma]

hey guys, i used the duratrax bearing set, does the Tamiya bearing set make it go faster?

i rebuilt and relubed everything this weekend... car seems faster too... nice! :)

[PITSTAIN_RC]

the duratrax bearings are what i use, they are teflon sealed where as the tamiya bearings are rubber sealed, so the duratrax will spin a little more freely after they are broken in but im sure the tamiya units are of slightly higher quality, i can go on and on but long story short you will be just fine with the duratrax bearings (and yes i think the duratrax bearings will be a bit faster :), maybe

[Aluma]

LOL, i drag raced a mitsubishi eclipse yesterday and was winning for most of the race down the street :)

Yes, a REAL car vs my TL01.... :cool:

some guy was the one who does the flag thing to go...

he beat me cuz i was using my stock motor and stock gearing. :P

with a mod and speed gears I would whooped him good!!! LOL

that was fun !!

[MrHorspwer]

I guess I am the newest TL-01 owner here. Got my TL-01, my first R/C, yesterday. It is all assembled now... the body is still in the works. I don't plan on competing with it... just some parking lot racing with a few fellows from work (3 of us bought TL-01's). I haven't taken it on it's maiden voyage yet. I already have some basic plans for it... ESC, bearings, speed tuned gears, and a stock motor. It will probibly remain at that. If I find myself really into the hobby, I'll pick up a new kit. One quick quesiton... what is the proper way to break in the motor? I have heard the 3 seconds in water trick... but I have no idea where to find a small battery and, frankly, am afraid of toasting my motor. I have also heard of running the motor unloaded at 1/2 throttle for a few minutes, then allowing it to cool before running. Just wanted to drop a line and say hi... I will definatly be lurking around here, trying to pick up tips.
Mike

[Crazy Canuck]

To break in a motor, ideally you want to run it at 4-5 volts for 3 or 4 minutes. If you cant do that, run it at 1/2 throttle. You only have to break it in after you cut the comm and replace the brushes, though, so dont worry about it. When you get you LHS to cut it for you eventually, they can break it in for you.

[ImpreziveSTi]

I recently got a TL01 from a younger cousin who lost interest in the hobby. Anyways I'm trying to set up a set of cva mini shock unit II's that came from a TA03, but the stock shock setup causes the TL01's chassis to sit too high. Although this may be perfect for a rally setup how should go about setting them up for running on the streets? Also should I use the ball connectors from the '03?

Anyone convert their '01 for rally?How's the setup?

ImpreziveSTi

[Saboteur]

I drove my stock tl01 like a rally car. STock shocks, stock radial tires, everything. :D Handled really well, especially in the snow :)

http://thercfinatic11203.tripod.com/BertramL/id10.html
check it out :cool:

[MrHorspwer]

Here is a pic of my TL-01 Evo IV kit I just finished. This is my first R/C... took it on it's first run this evening:D What fun! Can't wait for the weather to break a bit more.

ImpreziveSTi... are you a Subaru owner? I have a 2002 2.5RS... same screen name on i-club... MrHorspwer

[Saboteur]

That is one SWEET ride dude.:cool:

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hey thats a sweet ride...:cool:


<---------------gots my tlo1 doin 50 using a D4 10 Quad:p

[Poolboy51]

I might get a TL01 from my friend USED. It has ball bearings, the tires, the body, the stock motor, extra pieces etc. for $80. should I go for it?
:confused:

[TRF Drive Hard]

I guess 80 would be ok... whats the condition of the chassis? is its all crapped up then i say ask for 60... but 80 sounds good if its coming with bearing;)

[ShinHed]

I'd pay $80 for a tl01 chassis, only if it looked like this. I found it on ebay. Whats the deal with this? Is it an official Tamiya product?

[Dj Kumara]

Don't think Tamiya made that chassis, but its flash!

[ImpreziveSTi]

MrHorspwer: Sweet ride! Been a long time fan of Subies and the I-Club well before the WRX bandwagon started. Although I dont consider myself a true fan since I don't currently own one :( . Maybe I'll wait for the STi to make its debut in the states.

Does anyone have any advice for my above post? I want to set up these CVA shocks from a TA03 for the TL01 but the stock settings raise it too high. Thanks.

Imprezive STi

[Poolboy51]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :cool: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[ImpreziveSTi]

Can anyone help me (please see my 2 posts above)???????

ImpreziveSTi
:( :( :(

[Throtl Hapie]

I can help. What you need to do is add spacers inside the shock, on the shaft. You can use O-rings to do so. This will "shorten" the shock shaft, and make the entire shock shorter. :)

[Dj Kumara]

To anyone who hasn't yet done so, swap your mechanical speed control for an ESC!
My borther couldn't afford one and still can't. We both went down the back of our house today to drive his TL01B. After going head over heels 3 times when he failed to land a jump, the car wouldn't go up to full throttle. We tried to fix it but we couldn't. Then the car rocketed into a wire fence and smoke started billowing from it. After disconnecting the battery and opening up the car, we found a boiling throttle servo, cold resistor and every black lead coming from the MSC and servo melted including some of the actual wires. Luckily he only has to buy a ESC and his car will be going sweet.

[ImpreziveSTi]

Throtl Hapie: Thanks for the advice. I will try adding some o-rings on the shock shaft and it should do the trick. Actually it's weird that I have to since the stock setup already has one long and one short plastic spacers on the shaft. I also heard internal spacers prevent "shock sag" (is that the same as compression at rest?). Thanks again.

ImpreziveSTi

[Killer_TL01]

Tamiya did produce that chassis...very very few where....never came to the US. All where shipped in Japan...a few made it to the USA. Ive been wanting one but wouldnt pay the $$$ for one. But thats me..waiting on a new chassis that Usagi posted a link on.

Killer_TL01

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah, I saw that chassis on a different place on the Internet too. Ill ask around at my track, a couple of the guys are going to Japan soon, Ill get them to take a look, see if they can find it.

[MrHorspwer]

A few quick questions. How do you clean your cars? I have been using the foamy glass cleaner lately... but after a friend ESC stopped working for a few hours, I figured it'd be best to use on only the body (which it does work wel). So... what should I clean the chassis with? Also, what should I do for mods. Right now it is all stock... and not running. I took my MSC out and am currently waiting for my ESC to arrive. It's primarily a parking lot basher... so it's in a pretty bumpy/dusty enviorment. Bearing will come soon... what after that? Speed tuned gear set, motor, suspension work? I'm trying to keep the cost down so the long arm kit is out... as is expensive motors (I can run down to 19T). Also, what tires and inserts should I run for parking lot duty? Thanks.

[Aluma]

well, if you're just going to bash, then you dont need any upgrades other than bearings and esc.

if you get oil shocks you can raise the ride height to get more ground clearence. and if you get rally tires you can go offroad.

speed tuned gears are only needed if you get a MOD motor.

as far as tires for rough parking lot duty(proline rally tires give monster grip but will wear out quickly)

any will do, but get a HARD compound tire with soft inserts.


if you want more speed from your stock motor get a 21/23T pinions.

as far a cleaning the chassis....u can use nitro cleaner(just dont get the esc or receiver wet.) or electronics cleaner that is plastic safe.... or just soap and water(same as above,but might rust the metal stuff.)

[Saboteur]

I just use a paint brush to brush off the dust off my car. For the body, i use rubbing alcohol to clean of smudges, and paint markings(yes when driving indoors when the car scraps against the walls, paint marks get left of the body, so it cleans it right off). I use the stock tires on my tl01, and i get great traction on grass,and asphalt, but it does make you slide around in the soft dirt a bit. I get good ground clearance with the stock shocks, so it runs over the grass with ease. But a set of oil filled shocks would be great for bashing(the friction dampers will wear out). A p2k pro will be great for rallying,because it has great torque. Also the stock 19t pinion will give quicker acceleration, but a 21t or 23t will give higher top end speed.

[ShinHed]

ImpreziveSTi:
Here is some help..
"Use the Ta03".
If you don't want it; I might.

[phatvw1]

MrHorsepower, you are ot the newest TL-01 owner anymore. I have posted before because have had experience with a friend's TL-01. Mine arrived yesterday and it was done that evening. Three hours assembly... not bad. I'll try to post some pics once I paint the Opel V8 Coupe.

[MrHorspwer]

Thanks for the replys fellas. My car is down right now. No speed control. I got my Duratrax ESC-100... what a piece of crap. Trading it in for a rooster... just have to wait for it to come in now. I didn't feel like reinstalling the MSC (which reverse isn't working right now anyway... it's a bit dirty). Does anybody know of shocks that fit other than Tamiya's hop-ups? I'd like to get a new set of shocks... either super low friction or low frictions. I've been playing with custom inserts for the friction shocks (foam of various hardness) and they make the car handle much better through bumpy corners. Just want to know if there is any options besides Tamiya out there.
phatvw1... definatly do post up a pic of that Opel.