What Boat?

[DragonRacer]

I am not new to the world of R/Cs just boats. I race 1/10th scale on road cars and since the season of racing for them is short I want to tranfere to something more year round. My question is what kind of boat should I get?:confused: I absolutely hate Elec's so please reffer me to nitro boats ANY information will be greatly appreciated


Jeramy M
Team Dragon Racing:D

[TERBObob]

Hey Jeramy ..
Just my peronal opinion , I think oyu would probably be better off going with a GAS setup rather than nitro ...
There is a LOT less headache , a lot less tuning ( constantly ) and cheaper to boot . ( plus you run bigger boats :D )
When I say GAS , I am meaning the weedwhacker style engine . and if you are thinking that they don;t go fast , think again ... I posted a video where Don and Matt of M&D was radared at almost 95 MPH )

[TERBObob]

And when you say what kind of boat ? well , that all depends on what you plan on doing ... For example , I surely would not suggest a rigger for a newbie that wants to "play" . But rather a DeepVee , possible a Shallow Vee or a Cat . ( although the cat would need a LOT more calm water than a Deep Vee or Shallow .
I also would not suggest a cracker to any new either .
So ... that questions is kind of up in the air . There are LOTS of good models to choose from , but you need to know what kind of water you will be running on , and what your intentions are when running ...
strickly play ,
play at first , but wanting something you can upgrade to possibly race later ,
or just full bore racing ...
This also depends a LOT on the depth of your pockets as well .
For example .. engines ... you can get a used weedwhacker motor from your local lawnmower repair shop for around $5.00 , but now if you wanted full bore totally modded and re-vamped Zenoah engine , you can expect upwards to around $900.00 or so .
Same with hulls .. you can go to EBAY ( for example ) and get a cheap "splash" hull for around maybe $60.00 or maybe a little higher ( pends on new or used ) or you can get a reputible one from someone like Charlie Hynes , Eddy Barnes , or Ron Buck .. ( the list can go on and on ) and then you will NOT have to worry about HOW to set your boat up ( they are ALWAYS more than happy t assist you ) or that you MIGHT have a cheap hull that is untested , might have a hook in it , or maybe might have too thick or too thin resin . Another thing is that with a reputable manufacturer , the glass is laid ever so evenly and usually the CG on one made ( of the same style ) and another made three weeks from now would so close to be indentical , which shows not only the quality of these boats , but the craftsmanship they put into them .
So .. all in all , when you say WHAT BOAT ... that is a VERY open question .
And the price difference in a "splash" hull and one from a reputable dealer has MORE times , over and over , proven to pay for itself WITHOUT question .
So , yes , Charlie Hynes and Eddy Barnes and the others may charge a bit over what your pocketbook would want , but , how can you compare a GEO ( "splash" hulls ) to a maxed out Lamborgini ( Like Charlie's or Eddy's boats ) ?
And one more thing ... if you DO decide to go with a "splash" hull . then also be prepared to basically going at setting up your hull by yourself . That seller will 99 per cent chance , NOT be there for you when you need assistance in getting her up and running and on plane

[DragonRacer]

how ironic i work at a place called Powell Valley Lawn and Garden lol. See I may work there know what we have, but to my knowledge all the weedwackers work so I'm not able to get one (yet). As to the what type of boat, I pretty much mean one that can be upgraded but not to easy. Ok when I raced nitro r/c cars I went to a few small races placed in the top 5 and then I went into full sanctioned races with my Pennzoil Nissan Skyline from HPI car is still alive after 16 rollovers and 2 explosion ( engine blew up twice). I'm not new to having to constantly tune my engine so either way would work gas or nitro, it doesn't bother me I just want a hull thats sealed from water incase it turns over upside down (couldn't remember the word I was looking for) so any help with finding a site I could go to would be nice

[laxmasta2039]

Dragonracer-
don't listen to him nitro's the greatest!!!
lol.....really both have thier advantages, everything terbobob said is true, gassers are big, fast, and require alot less fiddling. though if you like tuning and messing around with your engine nitro might be a better choice, either way be sure not to short yourself on equipment quality. also, i second his advice on hull type- riggers are REALLY fast [speed record is more than 120mph] but REALLY hard to tune and handle. another hull type you might like is tunnelhulls, good thing about them is OutBoard engines [other hull types generally use IB engines like rc car engines] can be bought as complete units, you can basically just slap 'em on the back of your boat and hook up radio linkage. here are some brands to look at for hulls/hardware:
Speedmaster
Seaducer
Steve Muck
Twincraft
Bandit
Powersurge Racing Products
Hyperformance Racing
Microburst
Aeromarine Laminates
Marine Specialties
have you looked at intlwaters.com or Jim's RC boat dock?
those are both really great forums for rc powerboats

Joe

[DragonRacer]

ok thanks I'll take a look at them asap:D

[Pagemaster]

Are you looking for a ready to run or a kit? If your yooking for a nitro rtr check out my site, if its a custom your looking for checkout
http://www.aeromarinerc.com/ for some very nice fiberglass deep vees.
Steven Vaccaro
www.OffshoreElectrics.com

[laxmasta2039]

DR,
if you decide on a tunnelhull, a great place to get really nice OB [outboard] stuff is from Tim at precisionboatsracing.com
email him [the address is on his site] and tell him Joe [aka laxmasta] told you to ask him about getting a good setup, he's got the baddest and best stuff out there for the lowest prices.


Joe

[eeyore65]

Originally posted by DragonRacer
I absolutely hate Elec's so please reffer me to nitro boats ANY information will be greatly appreciated


I'm just curiuos , why do you hate electric ?

[Charlie Hynes]

Hey Bob, Thanks for the recommendation.

Gas powered gets my vote for a beginner.
less support equipment,blistering speed all the time and 2 bucks a gallon is way better than $30 to $60. for nitro fuel.
We have a few models for sale go to www.hooverracing.com to take a look at them.

[LosiGuy62314]

im interested in gettin a nitro boat for messin around at this pond by my house. i dont want anything expensive (over $500) but it has to be relatively fast. i was lookin at a Kyosho Jet Stream 1000 w/o Engine. and putting an OS .32 in it. i have radio gear as i have a xxx-nt almost adam drake edition. any suggestions?

[eeyore65]

I've heard that this is a very good deal........
http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=PRB2200

[Pagemaster]

I have also read that its pretty good but, they also say it turns well only to the right.

Steven Vaccaro
www.OffshoreElectrics.com

[LosiGuy62314]

i've looked at that boat before and it looks really really nice but i want deep vee so it'll rid through chopier water than a hydroplane.

[Ron Olson]

It's still up to you in the end. figure out how much money that you want to spend and how much equipment that you want to rip from your truck if any. You're right to stay away from the little Miss Bud, look at the postings in here and look at all of the problems that people have had with them. I've been messing with the CEN Racing Grey Thunder that is in here under "Boat Review Coming". Inexpensive and almost RTF. Nitro boats aren't as fickle as people would want you to believe as you probably already know. Run a low nitro content and they are easier to tune. A full-tilt racing boat is another story, just like a street car and a Top Fuel Dragster.

[Pagemaster]

Run a low nitro content and they are easier to tune.


Doesn't Cen state 40% Nitro? What are you recommending for fuel with the Cen motor?

[Ron Olson]

In the CEN nitro handbook on the inside cover, "High quality nitro fuel with nitro percentage between 10-20% nitro." Their words, not mine. I've been running mine with 50%, it's what I had on hand although I really don't recommend it. Mine was still easy to tune even with this high nitro content. My fuel also has 20% oil.

[CEN Racing]

20% - 50% will all works. Higher % will really bring out the power of NT16 but will require more skill to tune at the same time lower % will works just fine as well but of course, less power. The nitro hand book is a universal application booklet so its not really clear about difference between car and boat. So if we receive inquires, we will recommend 40% nitro.

We sometimes ran crazy high % airplane fuel or competition car fuel with only like 8% oil during our testing just to see how far we and our products can go. :D