HPI Super RS4 Electric Forum

[StevePond]

Found by RC Zone users on the HPI Europe site:

This is the exciting new chassis from HPI, the Super RS4 - a new breed of touring car that is aprox 20% larger than normal 1/10th scale. with larger wheels and tyres to handle the emormous power from a chassis that can fit upto 8 Cell battery packs, speed and handling are astounding. Mix it with a stylish Super Size body and you can go impress your friends in a parking lot or even go thrash the competition down at your local RC race-track.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/hpisuper.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/hpisuperchassis.jpg

[evaderstrules]

thats freeking awsome dude if i was into onroad driving i would get one but i looking into a nitro truck right now so i won't be getting one. definatly cool though

[anothermbdusted]

to bad its not a shaft drive system but very nice indeed for a super..good job steve

[ntn324]

this info was actually released on HPI's Japanese website even earlier than it was on the European site
looks like HPI is also releasing a new Super body as well in conjunction with the Super Electric
new body (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=964116)

[big1s]

i wonder if the two speed for my normal rs4 will work on that :D :D

[spenzalii]

If you can find a way to cram 12 cells on it, a 2 speed and a brushless setup, you got a deal, Now THAT is a nitro killer 4 sure!

[metalry101]

Ooo, I like that too, and my first thought when I saw was of course...Just how fast could that thing go w/ a bunch of cells and a killer BL system? It's big enough to handle the power. This could be fun, Any idea how much it'll cost Steve? Or if they'll even release it in the US?

[Interstate]

There's nothing pretaing to HPI's press release site, but it seems japan and europe get the new stuff before USA does... :( I'll keep an eye out for that...

[hpijoepro2]

its basically a giant sport 2, but its cool

[Lab-driver]

Originally posted by spenzalii
If you can find a way to cram 12 cells on it, a 2 speed and a brushless setup, you got a deal, Now THAT is a nitro killer 4 sure!

Just what I was thinking.....:cool:

[integra d12]

I'm on the brushless idea too. I have a t3 with the brushless i could migrate it over. hmmmm......

[Saboteur]

Most definately slap a BL in there with 7 or 8 cells!. Its awesome!:) :D

[Pavel]

All this is good and well guys, but your ideas of cramming in that huge power will quickly rid you of the belts that it runs on.

I was hoping it would be a shaft drive, as that would be able to handle the power..

As for batteries, im pretty sure that if you removed the stick pack holder, you could fit in 2 stick packs (6-7 cells each) across the chassis next to each other and hold them down with zip ties going through the battery slots, or velcro or something...

I'm just not sure if the drivetrain can take it.. we'll just have to wait and see till someone experiments =)

Good idea though =)

Have a good day

Pavel

[mab_man20]

SO much for my one of a kind summer project. :rolleyes: :(

[spenzalii]

If you set the tension right and swap to the aluminum diffs Robinson makes (I wonder if the small layshaft pullys will fit, too) would be a good idea. I do hope the belt is thicker and stronger

[superspeed]

steve,

I don't know what was hpi thinking. Today's motors on the market are not designed to run at 8 cells, 9.6V. I don't think this was a smart move. Well, maybe it was for those crazy peep w/ lots of $$$

[Saboteur]

If you read the post, it says its capable of holding 8cells. That doesnt mean you should run with that many. ;) :p Stormer Hobbies has four 3000mah packs for $99.95. Get a nice esc and a 15x4 speedgems mod motor and you could have some great fun at an onroad track. For something that big, you'd really want a motor with a good amount of torque. Wonder how a stock motor will handle in something thats slightly bigger than the standard size for a TC.

[Interstate]

The super size cars are almost the same, but seem to have a little more push in the turns.i suppose if you added just a little weight to a standard TC it could act like a super sizer...

[nomac]

yeah but when can i buy the pro 4 car?

[tarheelquality]

You know the supers arent really any bigger than the offroad cars that many of us started out running on road. I dont think the motors will have any problems with the weight. I want a Rally version my self.

[nomac]

a pugeut 206 "Magic Marcus" edition

[Dark Knyte]

the way i see it, if you were to utilize those cell placements on the chassis, they could be used for saddle packs and utilized to adjust weight distribution. although an 8 cell runner would be cool and all i need is the belts, chassis and wheels/tires ... looks as if everything else is sport 2 stuff.

[Marines]

wow...is this the first ever bigger than 1/10 electric onroad car??? i wouldnt mind driving that

[Possumbot]

schumacher made a 1/6 scale electric, i think it was called the big six lotus or something along those lines, im not sure if its still available. Theres a nitro verson too which i think did better than its electric sibling.

[TexRacer]

Guys Im sorry but due to the Inexperience of some it may make certain products look bad.I dont know who told you guys Shafts could handle top speeds better than belts or even acceleration for that matter.There have been POSTED experiences with Shaft cars and LOTS of cells and wallla the shafts twist,splinter or vibrate so hard other bad things happen.To say a Shaft is better than belt is SIMPLY not true.They both have their pro's and cons but speed is NOT one of them.
Plus.Brushless setups while nice are known to have limits on Cells UNLIKE some esc's and regular mod motor's usually having HIGHER speeds ANYWAY.Brushless is more effic and less maintance but not always faster.
This info is from someone with 13 yrs experience and testing and R&Ding cars for about 7 of that.
Just wanted to clear some things up before belts and Brushless info was misleading.
It's not the motor of the BL system that cant handle multiple cells but the esc.

[TXT Crazy]

Originally posted by Possumbot
schumacher made a 1/6 scale electric, i think it was called the big six lotus or something along those lines, im not sure if its still available. Theres a nitro verson too which i think did better than its electric sibling.

last time I checked they till made it. I will give you the WWW address if I can find it.

[Toyotatogo]

OH MAN OH MAN !!!!!!!! I GOTTA HAVE ONE OF THOES :D :D


OH MAN ! I'M SO EXCITED !! I WANNA DANCE IN MY UNDERWEAR.......LOL

[R/C_Newbie19]

Since i'm a track runner/racer i don't like the super-size since noone races them... But i can imagine how fun parking lot bashers they are! (but i like the super nitro better :D).

[jay272]

From the way HPI has treated their U.S. consumers in the past, I'm guessing we may not see this car in the states. They keep all the cool stuff in Asia. Ever seen a new Hara-edition pro 3, spec V pro 3, or the nitro SS chassis only (no engine)? It's available, if you're in Asia or europe.

[ianhobbies]

i think HPI should concentrate on kits that can compete on races which complies with ifmar,roar,femca and efra standards. i think u can only race this kind of car on "hpi cars only" races. no offense, but as a hobby shop owner and racer, i think they should stick to cars that u can race anywhere :)

[HaCo]

Hi,

I am also looking forward to the new chassis of HPI.

i think HPI should concentrate on kits that can compete on races which complies with ifmar,roar,femca and efra standards.

I don't think so, first of all look at the HPI micro, it think HPI has gain a lot of cash with that new type of chassis and I can assure u, it's fun to drive. I just wish that more constructors would follow the scale (there are 2 now: GM (with a copy) and WWS with a own made chassis, very nice but 2WD). Anyway, getting of the subject. Second, there is allready a class which drive 4WD electric Super cars... Kyosho! Look here:
http://www.kyosho.de/shop_image/product/94eab01eb5c9565331d9acd664542f9a.jpg

A few years ago I used to drive my electric 1/10th car between Super Ten GP Kyosho cars. When I saw these cars I allways like the scale. I don't know, bigger is nicer. But if u go too big, it is just unafortable for me :( But now HPI will give me a chance to drive a Super Car in EP (I'm not a GP fan) and with a Brushless system it should be a real Nitro killer :D

Oh yeah, tuned Super RS4, found this on the net:

http://www.rcworld.ch/data/_hpi_super_option.jpg

Awesome, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Greetz
HaCo

[fastharry]

Originally posted by ianhobbies
i think HPI should concentrate on kits that can compete on races which complies with ifmar,roar,femca and efra standards. i think u can only race this kind of car on "hpi cars only" races. no offense, but as a hobby shop owner and racer, i think they should stick to cars that u can race anywhere :)


Ian..up till they intro'd the r40,I screamed about this very p[oint for 4 years....(I'm probably half the reason they took down the HPI forum;) ).....now that they are making these cars(and they have put a whole hearted effort into it),I don't care that they make these off- beat cars....

this way they can get a balanced picture of what sells..When the super rs4 is selling 100 kits a month 6 months from now(and thats AFTER horizon discounts them)..AND the R40 is selling 5000,they'll get the idea..

[wanabedriver]

aw.......... :( why didnt they put in two motors? :(

anyway, i would bet that other companys will be coming out w/ their versions. when they come out (nudge nudge wink wink), there might be some w/ shafts (AND MAYBE MY TWIN MOTOR!!! YES!!!)

hmmm, if they do come out w/ dual motor.... there is no need for a belt or shaft... DO I SEE AN ONROAD CLOD?!?!?

[wanabedriver]

Originally posted by fastharry
Ian..up till they intro'd the r40,I screamed about this very p[oint for 4 years....(I'm probably half the reason they took down the HPI forum;) ).....now that they are making these cars(and they have put a whole hearted effort into it),I don't care that they make these off- beat cars....

this way they can get a balanced picture of what sells..When the super rs4 is selling 100 kits a month 6 months from now(and thats AFTER horizon discounts them)..AND the R40 is selling 5000,they'll get the idea..

R40? :confused: :confused: :confused: do you mean RS4?

[fastharry]

R 40...the new nitro pro car..

[wanabedriver]

Originally posted by fastharry
R 40...the new nitro pro car..

sorry, i just saw it. :)

[HaCo]

Here's a report of the Super RS4 from switzerland:
http://www.rcworld.ch/neueprojekte.asp?id=554

Enjoy it :cool:
HaCo

[wanabedriver]

hmmm, lets see... 6 cells (damn, no 8), three wires, must be BL. lets see... i can understand, HPI, Bigger is better, 235 mm, 280 mm, 300 mm, tuning, tracktest, extreme track test (?), Servo: KO Propo PDS2123, Regler (ESC or reciver?): LRP QC, Akku (battery): GP 3300 “Stangenware” (?), Motoren (motor): LRP HPI Challenge PRO 12T, SPORT 17T, MINI 23T, LRP Phase 4 12x2 (different motors), Karosserie (body): HPI Lamborghini Murcielago, Servo: KO Propo PDS2123, Regler (regulator or ESC): Novak Brushless [d'oh!], Akku (battery): Powers 3300 Robitronic Motor (hmmm, MOTOR?): Novak Brushless.

so what does it mean to me? first impression for switzerland racers is that bigger things are better. they dont like 8 cells, they like purple Lamborghinis, they also like minis, and regular RS4s, some aftermarket parts for RS4 are compatible w/ super or aftermarket parts already avalible, there may be a BL class, or they like speed too, and um... thats all i can make sence
:D :D :D

another thing. i can read switzerland language :p for beans, and i dont intend to. :D :D :D

[HaCo]

Hehe,

So the 'switzerland language' as u call it is also known as German :))
They tested a few configs, the standard Super RS4, and then the modded RS4. With normal motors and Brushless motors.


Greetz
HaCo

[spenzalii]

If the chasis can be modded to accept 12 cells (maybe 2 6 cell packs) I'm there. Of course, I need a suitable brushless in there, too but that would be absolutely killer

[HaCo]

If u can put 4 cels on a side, than u can also put 7 cels on a side, just put 3 up on the 4...

[tamiyadude]

must... own.... extra large.... touring car.... :cool:

[DualBL]

i really wish they made it w/ 2 motor mounts...

think bout it. stock class, with EVX and 2xtitan motors (dirt cheap)

that would have been a huge hit imho:rolleyes:

[Julsisere]

G'day guys,

got my Super RS4 Last week,

have fitted up my novak brushless, still trying to work out how the heck i'm ment to hold 7 cells in place, (other than sticky tape) but will get that sorted, have driven about 2 packs, Cause it's just been raining like crazy for the last 2 weeks here in Western Australia, have just received my Sport 2, 2 speed and heatsink motor plate, which I will hopefully fit up on the weekend and see how it goes (and if it fits??)

First impressions, the car is a little flexy, but this makes it great on the rough street, Grip is insane, so much grip, and the car is super easy to drive, I gave up my TC3 for this car, cause the TC3 would skip all over the place in the street, but this Super is awesome, the big bumps and humps, it just ignores. And even with all that traction, it's nearly impossible to flip it. (I havn't managed too yet)


anyway will let you know how I go, when it's all fitted will post some pictures.

Regards
Juls

juls@elamericano.com

[Julsisere]

Well I've run the car a bit more,

It's really awesome to drive, very smooth and easy to drive,
at least compared to my TC3, while the car is far more simpler, the size of it makes up for it's short falls.

the 2 Speed for the RS4, Definatly fits, Currently running a 26/96 31/85 arrangement, but It's very hard to tell that it's changing, since my Novak SS doesn't make any noise anyway, had a bit of trouble with blowing gears apart, but I just meshed them a little tighter and it's been ok, (was ripping second, when the car spun around and tried to go backwards)

the car seems to want to be geared with the SS around 8.5/1 or in that area, I think HPI's stock 34/81 gearing might be a bit out of reach for most people, unless you plan to run a Pro Stock, or a 23/1 (as reccomended) but then again, HPI have always been a bit out with their gearing ratio reccomendations (supplying standard 6.3/1 ratio gearing with a 2.2 inch wheeled car!)

the car is imple, and works well, I hope to get more running in soon when the rain calms down, and have already arranged my hopups list, and am currently pricing them up from various parts of the world.

if I can find somewhere in Japan to get them, they look the cheapest by $100's so far. (more than $200 aus cheaper than towerhobbies in US, thats standard Japanese Yen prices!)

still waiting on my quote from a few other countrys yet though.

regards
Juls

[Lord Radeon]

Take off the 2 speed. IT's 98% pointless in an electric vehicle because the motor has a flat torque curve. Just gear up or down

[junk4calata]

For those of you not familiar with google, here's the translated to english version http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcworld.ch%2Fneueproj ekte.asp%3Fid%3D554&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Also, for you speed freeks ( myself included ), after looking at the pics with more detail, I realized its possible to fit over 24 cells in that chassis.

It called a CUSTOM MADE W I D E UPPER DECK. If you want to keep all your batteries down low, than you can make a new lower deck as well and place all the electronics up on top.

[tamiyadude]

I'll be ordering one the day Tower gets them in... I didn't check the Lambo yet but the Porche at Tower is $279 and I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I think they sell for like $150 US in Japan... Tower may have just put them in at the super nitro price. Alot of times Tower has newly listed products with an inflated price that drops the day they come into stock and have the correct figures. I really don't see the sence in it costing over $199 if that. Anyway.. I don't care if they are $400... I'm gettin one :)

[S15Racer]

Man dude I cant read the english version any better than the german! A lot got lost in the translation I think LOL. Now I have a headache...

Nice sport 2 though, Oh I mean Super RS4:D I guess it makes sense though not to put too much R&D into something thats nor really going to be racing that much. Wonder how fast It'll be...

[tamiyadude]

Tower has them in stock as of today.... that's the good news... The bad news is they still have it listed for $271.99... man that's ridiculous. :(

[Toyotatogo]

I can see a lot of speed runs attempted with this car in the near future I suspose ......Maybe Steve Pond will do another like he did with the super nitro novarossi R1 car ???Also I hope that the electric super rs4 sales are a blow out...... becuase I would like to see more bodies made for the super class cars in the future from HPI and other companies......

So I will keep my fingers crossed and hope they sell as fast as "hotcakes" ......:D

[tarheelquality]

Sales wont be a blowout till they get prices cheaper then the nitro Super RS4. That price on the car is ridiculous! The Super nitro is $10 cheaper and that comes with an engine. $179.00 would seem more reasonable for what is baiscly a 2 generation old car with no class to run in. I would like one but not at that price.

[tamiyadude]

I agree... they can cram the darn thing for $271

I called Tower Hobbies and spoke with an upper level customer service person to try and find out if this was a typo of some sort that got looked over. The lady did her best to assure me the price was correct.. but I'm not convinced. The Super nitro has more expensive parts included like the alumium chassis not to mention the nitro engine... all for the same price as this giant sport2 rolling chassis kit.... man, they've lost their freekin mind :rolleyes:

Tower will price match any competitor in RCCA, but it may be 2-3 months before they show up in the ads.

[Julsisere]

I'm running myn with 2 speed and Novak Brushless on 7 Cells, Definatly fast.. but they only cost about $210 US here in Australia.. not sure what they are doing over there in USA.

regards
Juls

[_SC_]

I am gonna be getting one of these there now 199$ at towerhobbies. i can live with that price.. i was gonna go out and buy a hpi rally but this thing looks like it will be better.:)

[Hobson]

I've just got mine, with an extra body (painted Alfa 156) for £160, which is about $265. SNRs are about £240+.

[Crawl-N-Clod]

Anyone know of any places that sales aftermarket hop ups for this care.???

[microrcdude]

i think they have some at www.hobbyect.com They sell GPM parts and accessories.

[Doomed]

Alright, I am getting one of these. Where is everyone at that has one? :D I will find you, you can't hide for long! I want to put my Novak SS and a 7 cell in it and see what this thing can do.

[Doomed]

O.K. so you guys can hide. Good job.

[microrcdude]

:D LOL:D

[Doomed]

O.K. for anyone out there, will HPI Super RS4 Nitro Rally arms fit on a Super RS4 Electric? Trying to make a Super Electric into a rally car.

[PCC]

They're the same suspension arms.

[Doomed]

So I guess you mean there the same length, so no advantage to using them the nitro arms? If thats true then its just the shock length thats the difference in ground clearance. Thats interesting...
Thanks.

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

What's the fastest someone has got there Super RS4 to go? Also, anyone attempt tryin more than 7 cells? Or is that a bad idea for the motor? From the chassis it looks like that you could put more than 7 on the chassis with all the room it has.....just curious!

And why are you guys complainin about the price??? How expensive is this thing? I thought maybe no more than 300 since its just a big electric car.....

[PCC]

Originally posted by Doomed
So I guess you mean there the same length No, I mean exactly what I said earlier: they're the exact same part number for all three cars, the SRS4, SNRS4, and SNR.

[Doomed]

Originally posted by PCC
No, I mean exactly what I said earlier: they're the exact same part number for all three cars, the SRS4, SNRS4, and SNR.

I appreciate the help, hope you understand me trying to be sure about this as I don't have a crap load of money so I'm just trying to be sure before I spend the cash.
Thanks again!

[Doomed]

Originally posted by HPI-Fan-4-Ever
What's the fastest someone has got there Super RS4 to go? Also, anyone attempt tryin more than 7 cells? Or is that a bad idea for the motor? From the chassis it looks like that you could put more than 7 on the chassis with all the room it has.....just curious!

And why are you guys complainin about the price??? How expensive is this thing? I thought maybe no more than 300 since its just a big electric car.....

$189 from Tower, not bad.

[PCC]

Originally posted by Doomed
I appreciate the help, hope you understand me trying to be sure about this as I don't have a crap load of money so I'm just trying to be sure before I spend the cash.
Thanks again! Hey, no problem.

For future reference, you can always check the instruction manuals from HPI's site, found here. (http://www.hpiracing.com/instructions/index.htm) This allows you to check where some parts come from. For the SRS4, there appears to be only one new plastic parts tree, the one with the shock towers. All of the other plastic parts came from existing kits. Most of the remaining parts came from other kits. too, except for the upper and lower chassis plates and the front drive belt.

[Doomed]

Thanks again,
After you posted I looked at the HPI site and found the part .pdf's. I'm not used to a manufatures site being so helpful! My goal for the Super is mostly off-road so I was thinking maybe using the MT arms, can't tell if they have the same mounting point. Now that would give me ground clearance!

[PCC]

Believe it or not, a lot of HPI cars share the same suspension mounting setup so what you are looking to do is possible. For example, I have HPI NMT suspension arms on my Nitro Mini. The exceptions are: Proceed, Savage, Pro3, Pro4, Micro, and R40.

[Doomed]

I will have one once the tax return comes in and Tower or Hobby People have on in stock. I am starting to like HPI cars. The next thing after the checking arms, carriers, bonesand shock mounts will be if the new Novak HV-Maxx(if it ever comes out) will fit in this thing. Good news PCC!

[Doomed]

O.K. won NIB Super of the bay for a great price. ($147 shipped) Let the games begin!

[Schooled]

didnt you say you where getting one even if it cost 400 $ ?

[Doomed]

No, I don't remember saying that. :confused:

[RallyRac3r]

I was thinkin... you could go a head and buy the MT arms/shafts/shocks....but if its for offroad use, y didnt you just buy..or y dont you buy the electric MT.

[Re-Mix]

Hey guys. i got a few questions... how is it performing with the novak brushless? And how is ground clearance, i know i used to have a 4-tec, and ground clearance sucked, i needed more. So im hoping this has more than a normal touring car, and how does the diff handle the brushless setups?

[BatMan99]

hi guys,i have had an super rs4 for about 3 months now and i love it.me and about 5 other guys run the on a really nice parking lot race track.we all are running the novak brushless ss 5800 in our cars.we are also running 6 cell packs.we have not been able to get the gear ratio right.the gears they give you in the kit are not designed to run with a brushless.we are having the thermaling problem.we get about 4 minutes in and some of us thermal.i guess what im asking is what gear ratio's are you guys running and have any of you had any problems thermaling and what are or have you done to prevent this.
we have been running a 87/27 or a 87/26.and it still aint workin.so any help we could get would be much appreciated. thanks. :D

[chaabi]

hi guys,i have had an super rs4 for about 3 months now and i love it.me and about 5 other guys run the on a really nice parking lot race track.we all are running the novak brushless ss 5800 in our cars.we are also running 6 cell packs.we have not been able to get the gear ratio right.the gears they give you in the kit are not designed to run with a brushless.we are having the thermaling problem.we get about 4 minutes in and some of us thermal.i guess what im asking is what gear ratio's are you guys running and have any of you had any problems thermaling and what are or have you done to prevent this.
we have been running a 87/27 or a 87/26.and it still aint workin.so any help we could get would be much appreciated. thanks. :D

Is this parking lot in Montreal??

[BatMan99]

no im from washington state.this is a lowes parking lot in mill creek washington.really smooth and super high traction. :D

[surfer]

anyone get one yet?

[RCBuddha]

anyone get one yet?

I've had mine for a liitle while...i'm still working on getting a brushless setup in it...

http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=RCBuddha&AID=1476651

[microrcdude]

ok guys. im gettin one! What hop-ups should i get for it?

[BPPSupermaxx]

So...Who has one. How is it.

I am buying one for a speed car.

[microrcdude]

Its great. I guess they're so durable, and fast, too!

[deepdmc]

Is anyone still interested in these cars? I got a feigo 9L in mine running on 14 cells. Trying to see how fast I can get it, I have been having high speed stability problems. I cant control it once it gets to about 50mph, any tips on how to set it up to be more stable at high speeds? The back end always seems to break loose. I have tried stiffening the suspension, and I put wider tires in the rear from the kyosho super tens. I have pics if anyone is interested.

[sugs]

Yes, I'm very interested in these cars. I purchased one just about a month ago and am waiting on some brushless gear to get here to install in it. I am going to run a 14.8v 6200 mah lipo pack in it once I get it all together. We'll see what happens. I just don't know when my controller and motor are going to arrive.

I don't know anything about the Kyosho super tens. Do they come with wider foam tires? I know a website where you can get wider tires for the Super RS4 that are foam.

Go ahead and post some pics.

[Doomed]

I have one, and the plan was to put in the "New" Novak HV-Maxx Brushless Motor System that keeps getting pushed off to later date. Its upto "Late Jan" now. So its still sitting in its box waiting.

deepdmc- I would like to see pics!

[deepdmc]

Hey guys, I just took some pics. I will try to get them up asap, I have to find someone who can host them for me. The tires I am using are wider treaded tires from kyosho. I have never used foams before. Where can I get some foam tires? Are they any good? Doomed I know what you mean about the novak hv. I was waiting forever to get one to put in my emaxx. I finally gave up and bought a feigo 9L and schulze controller for my emaxx and It hauled, so I had to see what this thing could do in a street car. For the same price as the novak hv you can get a faster setup like a 9L and a warrior controller. I ordered my motor from starluckrc.com he is a very nice guy and really knows his stuff. I have to get a metal spur gear holder, because the brushless just ripped the stock one to pieces. Pics coming soon.

[deepdmc]

Try this http://galaxitron.com/DeepDMC/Formula1_RC.htm

[sugs]

Yeah, I ordered my Warrior 9918 and Lehner basic XL 2400 from Starluck. That's what I'm waiting for. I got tired of waiting for the Novak system.

Great Pics BTW. I'm jealous because you have the toyota body and I got the bmw lmr body. I think yours looks better but its hard to find someplace that carries the super rs4 bodies.

I'm running out the door right now but I'll look up the link to the foam tires when I get back either tonight or tomorrow.

[gbone]

Hi Guys,

I've had my super rs4 for almost 4 months now. It is the best car I've ever had because it's so durable. I run it with a lehner 1920/8 , uforce 75 and a Reedy x rated stick pack (7.2). I used to run with 12 cells and an 18.97 but that was just ridiculously fast.

I was wondering which aftermarket shocks work with this car from towerhobbies (as they're one of the only people shipping to barbados) as well as any other aftermarket parts from them to make it look as expensive as it is :)

[gbone]

What is the general consensus on the better lipos to run these days? Something over 6000 mah and over 11v.

Approx. price?

I am using a uforce 75 with lehner 1920/8 or plettenberg extreme (soon to come).

[sugs]

I've been studying lipo's now for several months and it seems if you get just about any of the new one that are out, you should be ok. I picked up 4 7.4v 3100 mah polyquest packs so I could make one large pack. What's nice about these packs is that two of them fit in the space of one stick pack. So if you run 7.4v, you can now have a 6200 mah pack. Lots of run time. Plus they are rated at 12c/16c so they should be able to handle the amps. I'm going to find out though.

[deepdmc]

I am using the hot bodies shocks, they are available from tower. They seem to work okay, but I wish I would have gotten threaded shock bodies instead. The adjusting clamp on the hot bodies shocks break loose when using stiff springs.

[sugs]

OK guys, here's the link for the wide foam tires:
http://www.racerhobbies.com/tires_powerline.shtml

Here's a link for some super rs4 electric specific stuff:
http://www.gpmracing.us/index.cgi?c=145

And here's a link for super rs4 nitro stuff (some of it will fit the electric version):
http://www.gpmracing.us/index.cgi?c=2

I also find a lot of stuff on ebay when I do a search for hpi super rs4. You just have to know what items fit the electric and nitro versions.

deepdmc, is the rear end of the car breaking loose because the rear of the chassis is hitting the ground at high speed? I'm guessing that toyota body puts out some serious downforce at that speed and might be compressing the rear suspension enough to get it out of shape.

[CrzyDrifter]

man how mcuh r u guys spending one dese cars? seems like tis very fun but it also seems like its gona cost alot to run one the way u guys are running them.

hwo much did u gus spend for teh batts, radio, nd brushless system to run one? im sorta getting interested, but if im going to start i want speed riht away.

[deepdmc]

Actually I havent run it yet with the toyota body, I was using a porsch body. I think my rear traction problems are a combination of not enough rear downforce and the parking lot I usually run in is very dusty. I am hoping to take it out this weekend to see how it does with the new body. Hey sugs will those foam tires fit on regular rims or do they have special rims that you need? Crzydrifter- How much money have we spent? The simple answer is too much.

[sugs]

Deepdmc, I believe they are a tire/wheel combo but I'm not sure because I've never ordered them. Just noticed them on ebay one day and decided to file them away as a possibility in case I needed them. You're ahead of me in this since I don't even have my controller or motor yet. Just the Lipo's. Are you just suddenly loosing traction or does it slowly get worse and worse the higher the speeds? I think you mentioned that you are using stiffer springs, are you going up in shock fluid weight at the same time? The other thing I was thinking about was to make sure all the steering linkages are on the outer most holes as well as the servo horn, and if your radio will let you, adjust the steering servo so that it moves less in relation to your imput. The goal here being to slow the steering down. The last thing you need at high speed is quick steering. Anyways, just some thoughts, I really won't know any better until I get mine up and running. Let us know how the new body performs and yes I agree with you, we've spent too much!

[gbone]

Maybe I'm really slow but I just found this site that offers wheel adapters and suggeests existing hpi parts to make proceed/kyosho front and wide rear 1/8 wheels fit on the super rs4 without it sticking out the side of the body!

www.rcrage.com

[sugs]

Thats really good info! I haven't seen that before and it sounds very interesting. I saw your post in the brushless forum so let us know how that goes. I'm still waiting for my motor and controller, arrrghhh.

[RcLaB1]

anyone Put the New NOVAK HV into the Super RS4?

if so, tell us about it......

thanks :)

[flnsx]

I want to buy an Super RS4 roller. Must be electric.

[sugs]

I would keep my eyes on ebay. One might pop up every now and then. They are going to become rare as I recently saw on HPI's website that they had discontinued the electric super rs4. Bummer.

[Doomed]

Discontinued? Bummer. These will be worth something someday... Maybe. I am holding onto mine. Might get another one. Good luck with you're search.

[Doomed]

There's one on ePay right now flnsx.

[metalry101]

Anyone still run this car? I've been looking on EBay for FOREVER and I finally found one so I picked it up. I got a pretty good deal on it too. I had one of these on order when HPI discontinued it, so I never got it. Now I finally will!

I think I'm going to slap the 2-speed that I have for my RS4 MT in it. They do run the same top shaft and all that, right?

Hopefully parts for this car don't dry up. I've got an RS4 MT and an RS4 Rally already, and I think I might pick up the Sport 2 that's chilling on the wall at my shop. The RS4 series really is the greatest thing to ever happen to r/c. Maxxes are cool, and I certainly love my BL E-Maxx, but I think the RS4 design is just the best overall in r/c history. It's ridiculously versatile and just cool.

[PCC]

You'll need the shaft and new gears to get the NMT two-speed to work in the SNRS4. If you have a stronger engine you can run the 13/16 or even the 14/17 clutchbell with 46/43 or even 44/41 spur gears. Anything larger than 46/43 and the spur gears will hang below the chassis, in harm's way.

[metalry101]

No...two speed for the electric RS4 MT on the electric Super RS4!

[PCC]

Yeah, I just realized that you were talking about the electric SRS4 and not the SNRS4. Sorry. The two-speed for the EMT should work on the SRS4 but you probably should change the gearing to match the smaller SRS4 tires.

[metalry101]

Actually that's why I want to put it on there. It seemed to be a bit tall for the RS4 MT, so I'm thinking it will be about ideal for the Super RS4. Tire diameter is probably fairly close actually. I'd imagine it's only about 1/4 to 1/2" difference. Width is different though...so that's more drag. I dunno. I'll try it and see what happens.

[PCC]

I don't think the two-speed was made for the EMT so, out of the box, it would be too tall since it was made for the smaller tires of a typical 1/10 scale touring car. For the SRS4 it would still be a bit tall but not as bad. You can probably get away with moving the first gear spur to the second gear position and getting an appropriate first to match.

[metalry101]

HPI does make a 2 speed made specifically for the EMT. 2-speed for EMT (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXM572&P=7)

[PCC]

Ahh, you learn something new every day. Thanks!

[sugs]

Hey guys, finally got my Brushless Super RS4 together, check out my post here:

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/forumdisplay.php?f=335

[metalry101]

Cool!

I'm thinking that if I like the car (which I'm pretty sure I will), I'm going to slap the Neo/Sphere craziness in it. That, combined with a 2-speed should be plenty for some crazy speed! I've got an Alfa body on order for it and I'm planning on picking up Subie and Mitsu bodies as well. I can't wait!

[sugs]

Anyone know anything about the 2-speed? I have no brakes, no reverse and I'm not sure why. I'll have to go through the instructions again to see if I did something wrong. Sure goes forward really well though!

[metalry101]

ROFLMAO!

You didn't read the instructions, did you? The HPI electric 2-speeds use a one way bearing that can't spin backwards. The car can't even roll backwards with the 2-speed installed, much less move backwards under power. It should have braking however. You may have installed something backwards, or you may have fragged that one way bearing.

[sugs]

Yeah, the car came to me as a roller with the 2-speed already installed so I never really checked it out to see if its installed correctly.

[metalry101]

Oh...gotcha. That would make sense then. Didn't mean to sound like an ass, sorry if I came off that way man. I'm rather sarcastic in person, but it's kinda hard to get tone of voice through text. I haven't messed with my 2-speed much. It's sitting in my box of spares right now, waiting for the Super I won on Ebay to arrive :D :D :D :D :D :D

[PCC]

The answer is in your other post but, basically, you don't have brakes nor do you have reverse with a two-speed for the same reason: the one-way does not allow engine braking and, since the forces that give you braking are the same for running in reverse, no reverse. Think of it this way. Reverse is the motor going in reverse direction from a standstill. Brakes is the same force only the engine is already moving forward.

It sounds like you either bought a SRS4 with the two-speed or you converted a Super Nitro RS4 into an electric. Maybe that's what I should do: convert my SNRS4 to brushless!

[metalry101]

No, that's not right. I put the 2-speed into my RS4 MT and I still had all of the ferocious, belt-snapping braking that an Orion Revolution 10x2 can deliver.

[sugs]

Well, I just read through the instructions and they say to make sure not to use the reverse function on the speed control or it will damage the one way bearing. Since I did set up reverse and tried to use it I'm guessing its damaged, although it still goes forward and shifts into 2nd with no problems. I also could have sworn when I first ran it that I had brakes, but the instructions on the 2-speed say nothing about braking yes or no. This is the electric version of the Super rs4 and not a nitro conversion and the 2-speed is also the electric version since the instructions for it talk about speed control setup.

[CrzyDrifter]

which 2speed will fit on this car? i ahve been reading and i got confused. also where can i get one? would be kool to have a 2speed with a BL system. also wat kind of gearing should i be running if i do?

[sugs]

I think the 2 speed I have is actually made for HPI's 4wd electric truck, the RS4 MT. The part number on my sheet is A286. It just happens to fit the Super RS4 electric as well. Don't get the one for the Super Nitro, its different. You can check Tower, Horizon or Stormer, they might still have the 2 speed.

I must say however since I messed up my one way bearing I switched back to a single speed and noticed no difference in acceleration or top speed. If you can get the power to the ground it would probably help, but right now I just don't have the traction. The stock tires are not up to the task to putting brushless power to asphalt.

[CrzyDrifter]

well i dont really care ab0tu the tires cuz i can always get new ones, but a BL i believe is at least needed to power this car.

[sugs]

I'm not saying don't use brushless, what I'm saying is my setup overpowers the stock tires during initial acceleration until the car is going about 15 mph. Once there it has all the traction it needs all the way up to its top speed. If you accelerate hard with the 2 speed, what happens is the tires break lose and the car shifts into 2nd gear before it regains traction. I found that I had to ease on the throttle and get the car up to speed to get the 2 speed to operate properly. I think the Super RS4 is the perfect car for brushless power and I'm very bummed that its been discontinued. Just letting you know what my experience has been so you're not dissappointed in the 2 speed if you get it. The 2 speed would probably work very well on a track with lots of traction, but for just racing up and down the street like I do, it didn't seem to make much difference. That's why right now I'm looking into some different tire options to help traction.

[CrzyDrifter]

oh. i c wa u mean. i ges ur true. well i gess i have alot to study but i know my rc car. basically ur sayign that si like a car. u have to slowly get the cars speed to get the 2 speed to work. its like a tcm and asc. i can understand now. so do u sitll have ur 2 speed? if ur not using it mind selling it to me?kekeke

[sugs]

I'm going to keep the 2 speed for now. If I find tires that give me more traction I want to test it out again.

[RcLaB1]

so has anyone, does anyone know if the HV-Maxx Novak Brushless will fit?
there are 8 slots on the chassis, so i'll be planning on putting that much or more cells.....but I want to know if that BL set up will work.....let me know, thanks....


if not, there was article on the magazines to change the gearing b/c of thermal shutdowns on the SS Novak BL system, what was the gearing set up?

thanks

P.S. I think this is my third time asking these questions and no one seems to know the answer? please help, thanks

[metalry101]

Honestly, I have no idea.

[CrzyDrifter]

lolz me neither, im enw to the car so i have barely any info on it. im gona put a ss5800 on ti and i just wanted some gearing recommandations but nobody seems to answer. anybody know where i can get some rims and a body for this car? i know they fit 1/8 scale but i cant fdind much stores.

[metalry101]

Your LHS should be able to get the bodies, wheels and tires. They're the same as the Super Nitro, and it's a freakin HPI. Everyone distributes HPI, so it would be all but impossible for your local shop to not be able to get you stuff. If they can't, then Tower or Horizon should have the stuff you need. Check out HPI's website and look up the bodies and such. If you get part numbers and just search for them on Horizon it will make life a lot easier for you. If you still can't find stuff let me know and I'll hook you up with some links, or I could even get you the stuff through my shop. Oh...and if you find stuff on Horizon, buy it throughmy shop (http://www.wvhobbies.com). It's the same thing as Horizon, same warehouse and everything, just with our logo at the top, and we get a little bit of the money. That's the shop I work at...

[CrzyDrifter]

o ok. il see about the stuff. i actually am ordering from towers though. geting 2 bodies and some other goodies. soon you willl see teh pimepd out lancer evo. YAY. i will post pics.

[CrzyDrifter]

anybody know a good gear setting for a bl system on this car?

[sugs]

It really depends on what bl setup you go with. Low voltage with high kv motor will require lower gearing (probably closer to the stock gearing the car came with), Higher voltage with lower kv motor you can gear higher. I'm using 14.8 volts with a 2400kv motor and the stock 2 speed gearing and none of my stuff gets hot with this setup so I'm pretty sure I can gear higher to get more speed. I'll check my gearing when I get a chance and let you know.

[CrzyDrifter]

well im running on a novak ss5800. and the battery will be a 3300mah. and il think about the 2-speed. maybe il buy it but if i dont have money i wont.

[sugs]

I've heard with the novak that you must gear low or it will thermal pretty easily. And I think the 2-speed would be perfect combo for the novak. You will have the best of both worlds, the ability to accellerate with low gearing, then shift into 2nd. I just saw a 2-speed go on ebay for $41 plus shipping. Still a little steep but much less than retail.

[CrzyDrifter]

WOW. nice. i cant wiat till i get my rs4 and the 2-speed. hopefully i can find one for really cheap. ive been bz paying for prom things, so i am really broke. lol.

[Eli the rc guy]

I cant belive that HPI donst make the super rs4 anymore like a year ago. That sukstobad i think its good.

[sugs]

Yeah, I really wish this class of car had taken off. I just can't get into the 1/10 on road thing. They're just to small for my taste, and they don't tolerate anything but the smoothest of pavement. Hit a small rock at speed and you're airborne! I mostly run a 1/8 scale offroad buggy so when I pick up a 10th scale it seems like a mini. Oh well.

[Gojira]

does anyone know of any aftermarket chassis for the super ep any help would be appreciated thanks

[microrcdude]

not that i have found. I think your best bet is to make your own

[Kenny123]

Does anyone know where I can buy one?

[metalry101]

A Super or an aftermarket chassis?

[Gojira]

http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/ this guy makes carbon fyber chassis and towers for just about all the hpi cars + other brands

[Kenny123]

I found a brand new one at my hobby shop almost a month ago that I was going to use as a new project car, but I don't have interest in it anymore. I really like electric and nitro off-road better, then on road. The car is brand new never ran! I just built it and painted the body. It's just been sitting on my shelf since I bought it. I don't have a digital camera so I can't take any pictures, but I guarantee you that the car is new and in perfect conditions. What I am selling is just the complete car with no electronics. I don't know what it's worth so please make reasonable offers with shipping included.

[metalry101]

http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/ this guy makes carbon fyber chassis and towers for just about all the hpi cars + other brands
Awesome find man! Thanks for the link.

[electro21]

Here (http://www.gpmracing.com.hk) they have many more option parts for the Super. I had them send me an excel spreadsheet of the parts list and I was suprised at the amount of Titanium, Delrin, and alloy parts. I just ordered my Super RS4 kit from them.

[microrcdude]

sweet! THere is a place that sells supers, lol. Good thing they are only discontinued in HPI usa

[electro21]

The kit with the lamborghini body (part# 925) is $120. having it shipped to NC cost me $61 UPS ground (only option I think). I also found another company that sells Super parts in Europe, but the kit from them was $210 w/o a body included and $50 shipping.

[sugs]

I checked out that site and I didn't see any kits at all. Just hop up parts. How did you find the kit?

[electro21]

I checked out that site and I didn't see any kits at all. Just hop up parts. How did you find the kit?

I just e-mailed and asked if they had it. She said yes and I said I'll take it. I just sent them the bank draft today (i didn't have an extra $50 to do a wire transfer).

[electro21]

Since some of you have run brushless motors before. Which setup do you think would be better:

Tekin G11 Pro/Orion 12x2 Revolution/8 matched IB3800

or

MGM 8012/Feigo 8s/8 matched IB3800?

[sugs]

I'm guessing the mgm/feigo setup will be much faster, just make sure you gear it correctely. You can ask this same question in the brushless motor forum and you may get more responses. There are a lot of people in there that have used mgm and feigo stuff. I've only used bk and lehner brushless equipment.

[C0NTENDER]

If any of you guys are looking for Super bodies, just let me know. I have a few that I need to part with.

[electro21]

Sugs, I sent you a PM, but I'll ask again here and for anyone else who can answer the question. With all the power you were sending through the car, how did the belts hold up? Where there any parts of the drivetrain that showed excessive wear?

[sugs]

electro21, I responded to your PM.

[electro21]

I'm happy to say the UPS delivery man delivered my Super RS4 today. It's weird b/c they just sent it Friday and it takes me 8 days to get stuff from California sent UPS ground, but I can get from Hong Kong in 3 days! I can't wait til I get home.

[sugs]

Cool, have fun with it!

[electro21]

I put the same electronics in the Super as I have in my TC3 and the first 2 passes up and down my parking lot it looked just as fast as the TC3. On the 3rd pass it looked much slower as if the battery dumped. The run time was probably half that of the TC3 with less speed. I was using a Duratrax streak ESC and an Epic shock 12T single flatwire motor, and 6 matched 2400 cells. The TC3 was geared to a 5.94 final ratio and the Super was at a 6.58 final ratio. Does anyone else experience similar problems.

[C0NTENDER]

Just in case someone is interested:

Super Bodies (http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?p=1909838#post1909838)

[electro21]

I figured out my problem. It was just geared to high. Once I geared it down to an 8.32 (factory recommendation is 8.38, but I didn't have the exact gears). It runs much better. The is a little slower, but I would guess the car runs around 33-35mph on 6 cells. The motor doesn't overheat anymore and the runtime has returned. Since X-mas is coming I won't have money to upgrade the electronics, but come January I will outfit the Super with a:

Tekin ESC (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=000195994&I=LXKYN3&P=K)

Trinity Motor (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=000195994&I=LXJHE7&P=K)

10 cells (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKAT8&P=7)

I'm figuring if I set up the motor and gearing for reliability, efficiency, and longevity, I should hit low 50s with great tire spinning acceleration!

[RcLaB1]

anyone put the new Novak 5.5 Brushless on this Super RS4 yet? how many cells did you use and how is the performance?

[electro21]

No, I ran the setup mentioned above and it was a disaster. The ESC hit a puddle of water that I didn't see and I lost complete control of the car. I had no throttle or brake and the car hit the curb. Seeing how sad I was the wiff decided she would replace the broken parts on the car (fixing the fried ESC, replacing the upper and lower chassis). We are going to make it faster and stronger. By month end it should be equipped with an HV-Maxx with 14 cells. Yeah me!

[metalry101]

No, I ran the setup mentioned above and it was a disaster. The ESC hit a puddle of water that I didn't see and I lost complete control of the car. I had no throttle or brake and the car hit the curb. Seeing how sad I was the wiff decided she would replace the broken parts on the car (fixing the fried ESC, replacing the upper and lower chassis). We are going to make it faster and stronger. By month end it should be equipped with an HV-Maxx with 14 cells. Yeah me!
Don't put the HV Maxx in it. Buy a non-Novak system. The HV Maxx is setup for torque, not speed. It'll roast the tires, but it won't be that insanely fast in an E-Maxx because it doesn't rev like a 1/10 car BL should.

[electro21]

I wanted the torque b/c it would pull any gear in the car (5.57 final ratio). The other reason is that every sensorless system that can handle the power I want is made/warranted in Europe or Germany. That is a long time to wait if something breaks. Anyway, what do you recommend for 8-14 cells?

[Re-Mix]

Ever looked at a BMW / Porsche car? They are made in Europe or Germany also, but you don't see anybody who doubts the extraordinary quality that goes into the cars. It is the same with the little brushless motors. Almost any sensorless system will have more torque than the Novak HV, it is a very baseline mediocre setup.

For a more expensive setup, I'd try a Lehner 4200 on 8 cells (no more than 10). You'll barely be able to control the car on 10 and on 8 it is still flying like a bat out of hell. Probably 45mph or more. The MGM Compro 80 amp esc works nicely with this motor, and will run very cool.

For a cheaper yet still powerful setup, I'd reccomend a Wanderer 10s (for running 10 cells or more) or a Feigao 8s for running 6-9 cells. These motors are a tad bigger than the Lehner Basic, so they will put out a little more torque but not much. As for a controller, the MGM Compro 80 amp does nicely, but you could look at others like the Mtroniks Gensis Pro or Truck series. Most of these can be found at www.rc-monster.com

I'd personally stick with a Lehner Basic or Even Basic XL (for more torque) They are light and powerful motors, as well as very high quality and efficient. For an XL motor, watch the amp and kv ratings, a 3100 XL motor would be ideal for 12 cells. So figure out exactly how many you'd like to run. 8 is usually a nice number to keep weight down and max power. And with 8 you could run a 4200

[electro21]

Mike over at rc-monster recommended a Lehner 1930/8, which I can't afford. For a more affordable setup he recommended 11s/12s for 14cells and the 8s for 8 cells. I was going to use the Warrior 9920 ESC for both motors.

[electro21]

I finally got a chance to run the car on 10-cells. Money has been an issue lately so I didn't get to use the equipment I wanted. I had 10 zapped 4200s (9 cells avg 1.2 and the other is 1.18). A streak ESC and a d6 14t single flatwire motor geared 96/30 for a 8.32 FDR. This really was a test to see how the car, mainly the drivetrain, would hold up against some power. With the exception of tires and heat, everything looks as it did before I started. Since this test was succesful, I can go ahead and proceed with my real plan, 18-cell Super. This car has plenty of space for the cells. I'll probably use 18 GP3300s, 2 streaks and traxxas titan motor (23t 550 size). I'm not sure about gearing.