OFNA LD3 "Full Option"

[StevePond]

If OFNA's Pro-model touring car just isn't well-spec'd enough for you, try this full-option model on for size. The factory-finished body is standard, along with all this stuff:
> Graphite upper deck.
> Alumimum and graphite two-piece shock towers
> Machined Delrin lower suspension arms.
> Machined 7075 aluminum chassis, sway bar mounts, hinge pin holders, bearing block, steering bellcranks, and servo mounts.
> Centax-type clutch with thread-on gears
> Carbon brake shoes

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/rcx/OFNALD3 Pro_Chassis.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/rcx/OFNALD3Pro.jpg

[Sparx]

Looks ALOT like a NTC3 but sooo much nicer! :cool:

[NiMo]

Unlike the NTC3, the diffs in this car should last more than two runs.

[spenzalii]

Now THAT is simply sick! I gotta get one of those once they come out. I wonder if the fail safe will still come with it. Could you get a better shot of the shock tower setup? I was wondering how it would convert to aluminum.

[Dill]

so where can you get a good deal on one..

[highwayman]

couldn't they have made it a little less obvious that the design came from an ntc3? :(

got to admit, the car looks good... i just hope it handles as good as it looks... :rolleyes:

[HauntedMyst]

man, that's just a K Factory NTC3 in Ofna clothing! Nice cloning job!

[spenzalii]

Hey, call it what you want, at least Ofna is offering it from the factory. AE has yet to offer any other version of the TC3 besides the RTR. And don't even tell me the kit version is the only one you need. Bring it on Ofna!

[puribong]

HOT. HOT. HOT....

[CTurbo]

I want one now:D :D :D :D :D

[Matlock]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
man, that's just a K Factory NTC3 in Ofna clothing! Nice cloning job!

Yep. Just like the Reflex is a K Factory V-One R in Trinity clothing.

Companies need to stop making clones. I'm tired of it.

[grimlock3000]

"Companies need to stop making clones. I'm tired of it."

After years of evolution, the market is getting to the point where there are few ways to do things right, and many ways to do them wrong. Many belt vehicles share similar layours because that is simply the most efficient want of doing things. Take a look at some 1/8 buggies, the Mugen MSt and Losi XXX-NT, or almost any three belt touring cars. All three types share many layout choices. Especially with shaft drives cars, there are very few ways to layout the chassis since the shaft is always going to be right down the middle of the chassis for the best efficiency. Some revolutionary designs do come along (XXX-S, original T-Maxx...) but those are few and far between.

[Matlock]

I know there are only so many ways you can make a car. I'm just saying they need to do something even a little different so the car isn't a complete rip-off of another design.

Anyways, lets get back to the topic here.

[spenzalii]

they need to do something even a little different

Different HOW? The diffs are geared. The shock tower setup is different. The rear suspension is very different (compared with the TC3 at least) What else do you want them to chance? Place the motor in the front? 2 driveshafts? There are only so many layouts you can hve on a shaft drive car. Unless they swapped the sides of the equpiment, rendering most of the manifolds useless, that's pretty much what you're stuck with. Once again, at least Ofna is coming from the factory with the full option look. You have to piece together the TC3 to look that way.

[puribong]

Well more companies coming out with great cars and WE ARE ONES WHO ARE going to BENEFIT FROM because this will make competition more tough and companies will try to make better products than other companies offering and sometimes they will even lower the price to place their products in the market more competitively. Like Intel vs. AMD in computer industry.
Anyway consumers like us will only benefit from it. we will get better products at better price.

[losimaniac87]

Well said, Puribong.

[joke_one]

Originally posted by puribong
Well more companies coming out with great cars and WE ARE ONES WHO ARE going to BENEFIT FROM because this will make competition more tough and companies will try to make better products than other companies offering and sometimes they will even lower the price to place their products in the market more competitively. Like Intel vs. AMD in computer industry.
Anyway consumers like us will only benefit from it. we will get better products at better price.

i say the more clones the better because it just means theres less and less ways for cars to become more efficient, you'll probably see the first losi xxx and xxx-s clones coming out within the next year or so. and besides if it weren't for clones every one would be driving pan cars... ever heard of darwins theory of evolution... same goes for our little rc cars one differance between generations adds up to a nearly unrecognizeable 10 years down the line. either way competition is awsome.

[rckid11]

man that car is nice! how much is it?

[Archerboi]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by grimlock3000
[B]"Companies need to stop making clones. I'm tired of it."

There are only so many ways to make any kind of car, in real cars, how many front wheel drive "clones" are there? All car manufactures use the same front transverse engine layout for fwd cars. You can only change something very minor. How about using a shaft all the way through the engine? LoL. Or mounting the engine in the front, or sidways.................
:p

[oldginger]

In many ways, yes it is true that there are only a few ways to design a car, but I think it's all about money and if you have the will to do something better.

How many businesses are willing (or can afford) to invest a lot of money on their people and product R&D? How many R/C business owners have the will and heart to create something that will satisfy themselves and most modelers?

From most middle and small size R/C product makers' point of view, they don't want to take any chances to create something that major R/C product makers haven't done so. Why? It's simply because 1) they don't know how 2) The major distribution channels always try to control them instead of working with them and grow together 3) and many more reasons...

-to be continued :cool:

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by grimlock3000
After years of evolution, the market is getting to the point where there are few ways to do things right, and many ways to do them wrong. Some revolutionary designs do come along (XXX-S, original T-Maxx...) but those are few and far between.

Actually, there are lots of ways to do things right. As in any industry, you have your imitators and your innovators and thank god for the innovators. They are the ones who bring us the ground braking new products that push the hobby forward. In this case, Associated was the innovator. There have been other center shaft touring cars before, but none of them were engineered the way the NTC3 is. Ofna is an imitator, at least in this instance. Did they bother to take a different approach to the market? No. I doubt even looked at improving on the NTC3's performance. They looked at the NTC3 and said "How can we make this cheaper and fix the bulkheads?" I would imagine the engineers had NTC3's on their desks while they worked at copying it. I'm sure the LD3 is a fine car, and Ofna does a good job at bringing good products to r/c consumers, but wouldn't it be nice to see them take the "How can we make a new, different car and change the industry" approach rather then the "me too" approach for a change?

[spenzalii]

There seems to be a lot of knocking Ofna for 'copying' teh TC3. There are valid points on both sides of the arguement (which is all this is). I truely believe the LD3 is a viable alternative to the TC3, which is why I bought it and will continue to support Ofna. The question I pose to everyone that says it's just a cheaper clone of the TC3 and decries Ofna's lack of innovation, tell me:

What would YOU have done to make it better and not just a copy?

Instead of teh constant bellyaching, give up some ideas on what could have been done better, or what should have changed, or what , in essense, it would have taken Ofna to do to make the product 'acceptable' in your eyes. Remember, if you're not the solution, you're the problem. So step up and let me know.

Now excuse me whilst I fire up my LD3....

[HauntedMyst]

A simple answer: Designed and engineered their own car the way Associated did rather then taking the easy way out and coming out with a cheap knock off. That answer should be simple enough for even you to understand spenzalli. It's pretty much what I have been saying all along but you've falled to understand it.

FYI, inane lines like "Remember, if you're not the solution, you're the problem" mean nothing. Why bother to post them? lol

[puribong]

I don't really care if LD3 is patterned after ntc3 or not becuase I got what I want at better price than ntc3 and I never regret my decision. That's what I care when I am buying something. I am a consumer and I just want best value for my money and this time, it happended to be LD3.

[spenzalii]

OK, the solution line may have been high and mighy, sue me. I was in the wrong frame of mind...:o The point I was trying to make is that it's real easy to call 'copycat', but it's harder to say, 'this is what should/could have been done"

But the answer isn't that simple, Hm. If you had the clean slate, and wanted s shaft drive car that was better than the class standard, what would you change? I saw the pics of the Kyosho offering and, while a bit different, introduces a host of new problems (such as electronics placement and header design). So give a bit more detail. If you were head of R&D at Ofna (Hong Norr) what would you have done, specifically, or like to have seen done to better the TC3, which everyone is gunning for?

[HauntedMyst]

Personally, I would have tried what's never been tried before. I think there is room to try a center mounted engine with a single or dual belt design using a lay down style engine like the OS. That engine is discontinued because everyone went with the old style up right engines rather then try to incorporate something new into their design. I think a lot of the limits to cars right now are because people don't think out of the box. They don't work with engine developers to make different style engines, gas tanks, etc. I actually have two r/c products being considered for development right now. They are, to me at least, just obvious things people would want but no one has ever made before. They could be duds or they could be best sellers, you never know until you try.

If I've been a little harsh, let me clarify myself. I think Ofna is a great company and are good for r/c in the sense that they bring good products to r/cers at great prices. I have some of their tools. To me, a tool is a tool and I see no reason to pay $30 for a wrench when I can pay $10. There will probably not be any major development in tools in the next 30 years. They push the innovators to keep innovating by copying their products instead of doing their own intensive R&D. They keep the Associated's and Losi's of the world on their toes by forcing them to continue the hard work of innovating. The down side to buying cars from companies that don't innovate though is 1. they don't push the hobby forward themselves and 2. they reap profits off the hard work of others and lastly 3. they rarely have the parts distribution channels of the innovators so two years from now. (I would imagine you'll have a hard time buying LD3 parts in your average LHS in a few years.) In a sense, the first two are the american way. In another, it's just stealing someone elses ideas and work. When it comes to R/C, I prefer to support the innovators for the simple reason that I know if I spend my money with them, some of my money will go into the R&D of the next great r/c product down the line. If I spend it with an imitator, it just goes into their pockets and I get nothing in return down the line.

[Ashler282]

Im not to sure that ofna copied the idea from the tc3, they do look simmilar, just wanted to know when did the TC3 came out. I know that on ofna site they mention the ld3 for a while with no release date, maybe they did copy the design maybe vice versa.

[oldginger]

I think it's about time to drop the topic of who copied who's idea and move forward. If anyone has seen the Tenth Technology "Predator" (a British 1/10 EP buggy first released in 1994), then you know why I suggested that we change the subject and move forward.

[spenzalii]

Thank you HM. the old OS motor was an interesting idea for the Kyosho. At lease someone came up with an idea. And yes, it is hard to get parts for my car (I have them on order from my LHS) Oh well, I like Ofna, I like the car so be it

and copy or not, depending on your point of view, the 'full option' looks sick, parts availability, design and originality notwithstanding

[Maverick Racer]

Originally posted by Ashler282
Im not to sure that ofna copied the idea from the tc3, they do look simmilar, just wanted to know when did the TC3 came out. I know that on ofna site they mention the ld3 for a while with no release date, maybe they did copy the design maybe vice versa.

Dude I hope your joking. When ASC decided to go down the road of touring cars the had always invisioned doing gas and electric. It has been a project that spanned almost 4 years. It dosent matter to me though. Having a flashy rip-off and having a fast rip-off are two different things.

It's still an Ofna, no matter how much of the design they stole from ASC it is not a world champ car.

[Saboteur]

Enough worrying about what car it looks like. It looks good and durable. I'd want one myself. :)

[Pro3/nmt105]

Anyone else nothice they have the head on in the wrong direction? I guess they want it to look good for the picture...:rolleyes:

[hpijoepro2]

that car is so hot

[eliseracer]

I dont know...

[mbx4xracer]

Well I just wan't to say even though I don't own a touring car (only 1/8 buggies here) the only thing I can say is how can anyone say it's a copy of a NTC3 , yeah they may look similar , but I bet they perform different , If you all wan't to compare touring clones just start comparing the belt driven cars , cause all! of the belt cars look the same , but does that mean they all copied off of each other, NO! almost all of the belt cars have three belts two short front , and rear plus a long side belt usually routed behind the engine... so just because OFNA , and ASSOCIATED have two similar looking shaft drive cars at least they are two companies that decided not to as you say "CLONE" the hundred's of look alike belt cars around..... So at least give them credit for trying something actually different......

[stefan]

I had a chance to look at an LD3 yesterday and I have to tell you I was very impressed.

I think OFNA took the NTC3 design to the next level, by fixing all the problems the NTC3 has and that made me sell mine after 4 weeks.

The LD3's suspension parts are molded from nylon which is much better suited for nitro racing than AE's brittle parts.
The have gear diffs which will last 100 times longer than the ball diffs in the TC3.

The LD3 has rear pillow ball hubs that won't get bent out of shape as easily as the tie ord setup on the TC3.

So, for me it's "Hail Ofna" for perfecting a good idea.!!!

[codeman]

To me it seems like the TC3 basic layout, with a crapload of upgraded parts; copy or no copy you get 'more for your money' as it looks anyway, from buying the full option LD3.

Looks miles more durable, and not so cheap .. that cheap AE plastic is crap, and plastic diff gears!? AE come on, *** ... even Tamiya has full metal gears in their nitro kits. You can't get away with plastic diff gears and expect them to last. Spur gears, sure .. they are much larger than the diff gears, and are not beveled.

The AE kit has a very cheap look to it ... drives fast, looks cheap.
Didn't stop me from buying one however. :)

If the LD3 can perform as well as the NTC3 and look as good as it does, well .. you have a serious contender no matter if somebody endorses the heck out of it at a "worlds" or not.

[fastharry]

We race every tues in Nanuet NY....the course is 125 x150 ft....swept off,fire hose,dots,timers..the whole nine yards..we've been racing for 6 years..

I started with hpi's..lived with them through my freinds Impulse purchases,and finally made the switch to tc3 nitro's last year..

We get all cars when we race...Impulse's,MTX's,up untill this year hpi's,and of course this year,the tc3's....

I droveny first LD 3 last week,and to be honest,it drove nice....the guy ran it agiainst other rtr's(incl tc3's) and it did ok....

this week,a guy whos been racing with us for 6 years showed up with a ld3 with a RB 5 port in it.....(he had sold his tc3 and Impulse and reflex,and bought the ld3 and a new Mugen mtx3)..


tues,he brought the ld3.....I drove the car around,and again,it didn't feel bad...we set up the track,and this is where the good times end...

Under racing conditions,this car felt like an HPI...it was twitchy at low speed..had a REAL bad push at high speed,and lacked on power steering...the car was diffing so bad with those gear boxes(and they WERE filled with silicone) it sounded horrible.....


just for giggles,the HPI challenge winner stopped by(he went to japan last year,and to be honest,I finished 4th in the a main in NY,right behind him)..and he drove the car....

..and with a car that was close to mine,could easily outdrive me...

It wasn't even close...the tc3's and Impulse's went around this car like yesterdays news...the faster the car went,the worse it got.....Just like an HPI.....

say what you want about teh tc3..its Gleason cut gears on those RACE WINNING ball diffs.....and all the other std featrures..not to mention its PROVEN capabilities at a championship level...

You get what you pay for.....and in this case,you're getting a cheap imitation.......

and don't tell me about hop ups,track tuning,race prepping,and all that crap..no one put more time into HPI;s like I did..

you shouldn't have to be jerkin' around with set ups to get a car right..the tc3's run great.The mugens run awesome..out of the box....etc...

if I wanted to save a couple of hundred and have a car thats capable of winning club races,I'd dust off my HPI's....at least teh quailty is better than OFNA's...

[Archerboi]

Originally posted by stefan
I had a chance to look at an LD3 yesterday and I have to tell you I was very impressed.

I think OFNA took the NTC3 design to the next level, by fixing all the problems the NTC3 has and that made me sell mine after 4 weeks.

The LD3's suspension parts are molded from nylon which is much better suited for nitro racing than AE's brittle parts.
The have gear diffs which will last 100 times longer than the ball diffs in the TC3.

The LD3 has rear pillow ball hubs that won't get bent out of shape as easily as the tie ord setup on the TC3.

So, for me it's "Hail Ofna" for perfecting a good idea.!!!

I agree with you. However lets give some credit to Ofna, for importing this car, however, most of the credit should go to Hong-Nor, they are the ones who created this work of art. Not only that, but this car could have been out while the NTc3 was on the drawing board. On the Hong-Nor site, it says a 2000-2001 original. So it makes me think, who copied who heheheh. ;)

[fastharry]

when trinity introed their Tc3 gas car conversion,they already knew Associated had one on their drawing board..that was the 1999 hobby show...I was there and spoke to Ernie Provetti...AND Cliff Lett..

also,if you can find any of those early interviews or articles on teh elkectric tc3..they will tell you that Associated CLEARLY designed the electric car with a nitro car in mind....


so theres NO WAY OFNA desighed anything close to the tc3nitro.....


Let me ask you a question....Did Mario Hudy rip off OFNA on the tire truer,wrenches,body reamers,ETC?......

OFNA is a cheap ripoff company that takes proven designs and copys them...


to bad the tire truers and cars are no where like the original quality and designs..

[spenzalii]

Geeez, man you like ripping OFNA a new one every chance you get, don't you?

I can't even say what the problem was, or what setup was used on the car or even if that would have made a difference. I truely believe it was more a setup problem than a quality/need hop up parts a la your HPI's. I've owned both (RS4 and LD3) and would take the LD3 over the RS4 in a New York minute. Can't and won't speak on the R40 until it actually hits the streets. True, the car DOES have a push at speed, which can be fixed with a different setup. But you are also working with a newly released car verses one that's been out for a while and has a myriad of setups already worked out for them. Not to say your opinion is wrong by a longshot, but I don't know if you considered everything before making that assessment.

Even if you did, I still love the car and will get the full monty version when it hits the streets

[Archerboi]

Originally posted by fastharry


OFNA is a cheap ripoff company that takes proven designs and copys them...


[/B]

May I say this again. Hong-Nor is the official company. I am not sure how Ofna fits in. They may just import and release HN products in the US.

[Nightmare_au]

Darn eh, I hope the stock tyres where not being used?
I guess you dont know what thickness silicone in the diffs?
Originally posted by fastharry
Under racing conditions,this car felt like an HPI...it was twitchy at low speed..had a REAL bad push at high speed,and lacked on power steering...the car was diffing so bad with those gear boxes(and they WERE filled with silicone) it sounded horrible.....

[fastharry]

Originally posted by Nightmare_au
Darn eh, I hope the stock tyres where not being used?
I guess you dont know what thickness silicone in the diffs?

he was using HPI slicks..and just to make sure,I tried the 27's(HPI) with red inserts from my tc3 on his car..same result..

[puribong]

Fastharry, you sound like Ofna(hong nor) hater..

I think every cars drive different and they have their unique characteristics and every drivers have different preference of cars and drving they look from the cars. LD3 is actually making in the A-main and winning races consistenly in the Asian market against many other cars.... (hopefully this happens in the US too but looks like Ofna is concentrating more on 1/8 buggy class)
I think It's up to drivers to make the car shine or bad.
Hong nor probably got the idea from ntc3 but we have two nice competitors(ntc3,LD3) to choose from and we customers benefit from it.
btw I love my LD3.

[Nightmare_au]

I am thinking of getting a LD3, will be a lot different then my 1/8 buggy. I raced the buggy with the 1/10 touring cars (voneS, not sure what others where running) and came second in final. Almost the whole time was steering with throttle(speed). I've never driven a touring car before so I will have to get a LD3 and learn :)

Originally posted by puribong
LD3 is actually making in the A-main and winning races consistenly in the Asian market against many other cars....

[TSR6]

I can't tell you if this is the case.. or not.. but its something that some of you nay-sayer's might want to look into.

It's a very common practice for manufacturers have other manufacturers make and mold parts for them. Sometimes, the company doing the molding comes out with a similar looking car afterwards..

I'll let you draw your own conclusions past this.. ;)

[fastharry]

Originally posted by puribong
Fastharry, you sound like Ofna(hong nor) hater..

I think every cars drive different and they have their unique characteristics and every drivers have different preference of cars and drving they look from the cars. LD3 is actually making in the A-main and winning races consistenly in the Asian market against many other cars.... (hopefully this happens in the US too but looks like Ofna is concentrating more on 1/8 buggy class)
I think It's up to drivers to make the car shine or bad.
Hong nor probably got the idea from ntc3 but we have two nice competitors(ntc3,LD3) to choose from and we customers benefit from it.
btw I love my LD3.

thats teh same argument I gave everyone when I was sticking with the HPI's for 4 years,and everyone else was running new PRO cars....



they usually heard me from the back of the pack..

[Nightmare_au]

What do you mean by "diffing"?
one wheel spinning, loosing traction?


Originally posted by fastharry
the car was diffing so bad with those gear boxes(and they WERE filled with silicone) it sounded horrible

[fastharry]

Originally posted by Nightmare_au
What do you mean by "diffing"?
one wheel spinning, loosing traction?

yep

[Nightmare_au]

thats hardly a negitive point then, that is more a set up problem.. I have got 10,000, 30,000 and 5000wt oil in my buggy to stop wheels unloading. A lot of people (going by forums) only play with like 1000 to 7000wt. Stock (ie grease) my buggy would spin the wheels really bad, with the front unloading, the thick oil fixed that and gave me a lot more take off punch :)

I may make the LD3 my first touring car, see how I go from there...

[Luckyman4]

Now that the LD3 Pro version has been released, has anybody heard any buzz about when the "Full Option" version will be released, or a ballpark street price for it? "... inquiring minds want to know!"

-John :cool:

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

Originally posted by fastharry
when trinity introed their Tc3 gas car conversion,they already knew Associated had one on their drawing board..that was the 1999 hobby show...I was there and spoke to Ernie Provetti...AND Cliff Lett..

also,if you can find any of those early interviews or articles on teh elkectric tc3..they will tell you that Associated CLEARLY designed the electric car with a nitro car in mind....


so theres NO WAY OFNA desighed anything close to the tc3nitro.....


Let me ask you a question....Did Mario Hudy rip off OFNA on the tire truer,wrenches,body reamers,ETC?......

OFNA is a cheap ripoff company that takes proven designs and copys them...


to bad the tire truers and cars are no where like the original quality and designs..


...
http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/images/avatars/444670a03df9140b4e5f8.gif

[fastharry]

Originally posted by NMT_RACER_BOY
...
http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/images/avatars/444670a03df9140b4e5f8.gif



nice avatar collection......Imagine my suprise when I noticed my Tc3 nitro avatar off of RC tech.net on there.....

Nice copy job.......Give it back....or get it off your site..:mad:


http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/images/avatars/4352c4ce3ddbccbd464e6.jpg

[TSR6]

Originally posted by fastharry
nice avatar collection......Imagine my suprise when I noticed my Tc3 nitro avatar off of RC tech.net on there.....

Nice copy job.......Give it back....or get it off your site..:mad:


http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/images/avatars/4352c4ce3ddbccbd464e6.jpg

are you registered on that bb?

Thats the /avatar directory for that site. You probably even put it there. ;)

[fastharry]

Originally posted by TSR6
are you registered on that bb?

Thats the /avatar directory for that site. You probably even put it there. ;)


OK....I'll take your word on that..thanks,T....

[TSR6]

Originally posted by fastharry
OK....I'll take your word on that..thanks,T....

No Prob. :)

[romuald31]

hello from France,
I think this car will be my next car for racing. Anybody have already one?? Or seen one ???
I love shaft drive transmission . I run an OS powered Tamiya TG10R in the french championship and it's great.

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

Wow,
If you already own a TG10R there is no need for you to sell that one and get the LD3

[spenzalii]

I don't think the full option is even out yet. I want one as soon as they drop, though. The RTR version is nice, and even though they have a lot of the aluminum and carbon fiber parts available, I think I'll wait for the full kit to come out first.

[TC3Racer]

well lets see here. I give props to OFNA for coming out with a very good lookin' car and the carbon fiber looks good. Also, we can obviously tell they got the LD3 design from the NTC3, no doubt.

First of all, for all you guys who are ripping on AE for not doing this i dont blame them. With the production of the B4 and T4 they are hard at work trying to mass produce those vehicles. Not only that but they already provide a a team kit with nice aluminum goodies and a large line of Factory Team hop ups (such as all the carbon fiber stuff) that have the NTC3 hooked up very well. I'm sure we will see a Factory Team NTC3 in no time and i personally will bet anyone here 10 bucks that it will stomp this LD3 :D

[fastharry]

If hop ups could win a race,the LD3 is your car...

But I've seen and driven teh ld3.....its not even close to a nitro tc3 in feel,drivablity,handling,SMOOTHNESS<(and its ability to ROLL through a corner while maintaining cornering speed)...

And don't bash me either....If you really want to prove me wrong,Bring that OFNA LD 3 To the Sept 6th and 7th race in Edison NJ(edison RC car club)....

stick that car on the track and run against my tc3...

You'll be a convert in 2 laps....

http://www.edisonmodelr-ccarclub.com/

BTW,If you check the results ,I'm 4th in the point series..and with yesterdays win in the A,I'll be first when they post the results...


That Tc3 runs smoother than any car I own..

[Grifter]

fastharry: I always thought you were very informative and very helpful, but it seems like you're actually pretty arrogant and conceited.

I know you didnt mean anything by what you said, but it doesnt sound every nice when people read it. You dont have to prove anything, it's just R/C Cars, we're here to learn and make friends, not challenge people over the interent and say how badly we'll beat them.

I hope you dont take any offense to this, I dont dislike you or anything like that, I just wanted to you let you know how your Post came off to me.

[romuald31]

hello from France,
we don't see NTC3 in France because the car isn't very reliable.
We have big permanent tracks with a lot of grip and NTC3 broke often differentiels. And now with very high temperature ( 35°C), it's worth.
So the LD3 with its steel gear differentiels could be a good alternative for drivers who are loocking for shaft chassis.
My Tamiya TG10R is a little bit old fashion but it never break....

[fastharry]

Originally posted by Grifter
fastharry: I always thought you were very informative and very helpful, but it seems like you're actually pretty arrogant and conceited.

I know you didnt mean anything by what you said, but it doesnt sound every nice when people read it. You dont have to prove anything, it's just R/C Cars, we're here to learn and make friends, not challenge people over the interent and say how badly we'll beat them.

I hope you dont take any offense to this, I dont dislike you or anything like that, I just wanted to you let you know how your Post came off to me.


No offence taken Grift...I do come across like that sometimes....but I'm really not...So many people come on the forums with real strong opinions,yet some don't even own a car..I was just making a point taht I do race...just so people know I take the hobby to heart(maybe a little too much)....Anyone can be in first place also,I've been lucky alot in this series,but I also spend time tuning my cars,and practicing as much as possible...


If it came across wrong,I apologise...

my opinion does stand about the car....

it felt as bad as my HPI's...only worse quality...

[Grifter]

I'm glad you didnt take any offense to my comments, they werent meant to offend you in any way. I understand that you are very involved in R/C, you are the guy that all the Nitro TC3 Owners turn to when they need help. I just wanted to let you know how I viewed your comments, I'm glad you werent offened after reading my Post.

[fastharry]

Originally posted by Grifter
I'm glad you didnt take any offense to my comments, they werent meant to offend you in any way. I understand that you are very involved in R/C, you are the guy that all the Nitro TC3 Owners turn to when they need help. I just wanted to let you know how I viewed your comments, I'm glad you werent offened after reading my Post. ..



No problem....Sone people used to feel this way when I was helping on the old HPI forum(and defending Racer2's agaist the new wave of PRO cars;) )...


If you really want to read attititudes,get on the Nitro tc3 RCTECH threads....

those guys make me sound like a newbie.....now they REALLY think they know it all..

The car is designed wrong,it won't take a 40 mph hit againast boards,there engine wont run becuase the stock chassis has a pull start hole....every excuse under the sun..(and they ALL know more then Associated:D )...

And heres my answer to them.......I beat the competeition(including the Mugen MTX3) every week.....cause I stay off the boards,read tuning instructions,and don't try to outhink the designer of the car..

[Grifter]

I know what you mean, there are some people that you just wish you never asked them for help. I remember you on the Old HPI Forum, ahh what a great Forum that was...

I'd really like to see you race some time, where do you usually race?

I'm in Central Jersey, there's really no place I know of that is that close by. Jerry's Hobby Shop is the cloeset I know of, it's on Rt. 22.

BTW: If you're ever in the need to go a different Hobby Shop(asumming that you only go to one) try to head over to my Cousin's, Aggressive Hobbies (www.aggressivehobby.com) , it's right after the Outer Bridge Crossing. He has a Nitro TC3 with all Hardcore option parts, and he really knows his stuff, I think you'll like his shop.

[fastharry]

Originally posted by Grifter
I know what you mean, there are some people that you just wish you never asked them for help. I remember you on the Old HPI Forum, ahh what a great Forum that was...

I'd really like to see you race some time, where do you usually race?

I'm in Central Jersey, there's really no place I know of that is that close by. Jerry's Hobby Shop is the cloeset I know of, it's on Rt. 22.

BTW: If you're ever in the need to go a different Hobby Shop(asumming that you only go to one) try to head over to my Cousin's, Aggressive Hobbies (www.aggressivehobby.com) , it's right after the Outer Bridge Crossing. He has a Nitro TC3 with all Hardcore option parts, and he really knows his stuff, I think you'll like his shop.


grift......listen to me......why not come down to edison on Sept 6 and 7th?......Its a great time..if you cant make onthat sat,at least come down on sun....

you can run one qualifier,and run a main...

You can pit by me,I'll show you all the details.....

[Grifter]

Ok, I'll see if I can.

What are the different classes?

Thanks!

[fastharry]

they run 1/8th scale,open class and sportsman..amd they run 1/10th scale touring.its sort of an open class....

here are the rules.....they mic in Impacts(thiose are the 15's)...but no one has ever shown up...

the first race one guy had an Impact,it got smoked by the touring cars..

what car do you currently have?..

[Grifter]

I'm actually getting into Nitro Touring right now. I'm planning on picking up the LD3 with 2 Speed on Friday or Monday. I know, I know, the TC3 is awesome, but for the Price I'm getting it for it really is worth.

Probably drop a Fantom .12 in it. I was planning on getting it just to do some Parking Lot Bashing with my friends. If I can get to the Track I'm sure it'd be blast.

[fastharry]

Originally posted by Grifter
I'm actually getting into Nitro Touring right now. I'm planning on picking up the LD3 with 2 Speed on Friday or Monday. I know, I know, the TC3 is awesome, but for the Price I'm getting it for it really is worth.

Probably drop a Fantom .12 in it. I was planning on getting it just to do some Parking Lot Bashing with my friends. If I can get to the Track I'm sure it'd be blast.

well,bring it down...or at least come to watch....

I just picked up an HPI r40..I'll be trying that in edison....I'll bring my 2 tc3's also...If you like,you can try whichever one I'm not racing...

[Grifter]

I was all ready to get the TC3, but my Cousin, who told me to get the TC3, showed me the LD3. And said that it was an awesome Car, I saw him run it, and it seems like it is. Lets not forget that he a pretty Diehard Nitro TC3 fan as well. Oh well, we'll see what happens.

The R40 seems like an awesome Car. Should bring you home some Trophey's I'm sure.

[spenzalii]

Oh how I want one of each...

I do hope people give the LD3 a chance. It is a nice car, despite what fastharry may think...:D (J/K harry) I also hope the R40 will snap the notion that HPI is only a entry level maker. Both cars deserve a shot at winning

[7pluts23]

That car looks great Im going to get one when it comes out. BTW and new news on when its coming out or the price.

[puribong]

wondering if the Full Option LD3 has hit the store yet....

[T-Maxxahol]

I was lookin at maybe gettin somethin to kick around with outside my house any way..

I just want to say to everyone arguing over the is this a copy or not war...................TAKE IT TO THE TRACK and prove... all it really comes down to is drivers anyhow... u all act like children............. over tihis its a copy not a copy thing.. let it go its a good car at a good price... and let it be that............ just my two cents.. if races were raced on smooth asphalt. and not parking lots.. I wouldnt even buy a AE or the OFna.... the Mugens Yoks and Serpents would have u far beaten.. on a smooth track.......The only reason Associated can bring home titles is cause they have the money to pay the top drivers.. look at a sponsor list for Mugen or Serpent then look at the AE list it is nearly 3 times as long............

just my two cents.............If some body has a problem with it so be it.. if u agree so be it.........bottom line if I cant jump it I dont wanna race it..................lol

Any one that has any factual information please respond I wouold like to hear more about how this car handles

[Coconut]

All the on road companioes ahve great drivers. I disagree about the Associated not being a great touring car even tho I own a Serpent. OFNA really doesn't have a clue about serious on road tho you are right. Take the top cars and the right driver and alittle luck and any of them can be a national or world champion. Pavidas did it and now HPI because their cars are capable in the right hands. There just ain't no magic car really. About copying your right. Most are just like the cars by Associated;BmT;Delta and others produced years ago;with improvements. My experince with OFNA is that you need to hope you get all the parts in the kit and forget customer service if you don't.

[triplefats]

hello

im new to touring class, used to run t-craps but now im trying to learn how to race touring cars. last week i brought my 1st tour car ntc3. i test drove all the competitors but i choose the ntc3 cause it truly feels smooth. even though im having major problems with mine (engine) i truly do believe its the best all around car out. performance was excellent