Kyosho FW-05R Shaft-Drive Nitro Touring Car

[StevePond]

The "FW-04" is a super-class car, similar in dimensions to the Super Nitro RS4, so it confused me a little bit when I saw the FW-05R, expecting it to be a super class car as well. As it turns out, the new FW-05R appears to be an all new 200mm competition-class car from Kyosho featuring shaft drive. The engine, mounted on the right side of the chassis, drives a centrally mounted two-speed transmission. This appears to be a pre-production car, so the final details are not known, but as soon as we have more information, We'll pass it along.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/fw05r.jpg

Photo courtesy of Yaesu Publishing (http://www.yaesu-net.co.jp)

[atm92484_3]

Very interesting...even more interesting is the lack of an O.S. engine in the pic.

[StevePond]

Well, I think the car is much more interesting myself. :D

Kyosho has tended to use O.S. Engines in the pictures of thier cars in the past, but there's no direct connection so the engine that appears in the pictures is purely a matter of choice for Kyosho.

[Saboteur]

Yeah, maybe so. Kyosho has done it again; the production of a new vehicle that catches everyone's eye. :D :)

[KingWillie]

That receiver is in a scarey spot, hope they do something with that. Jesus, breakable things are sticking out all over the place. Gas tank, receiver, steering servo, let's hope this is a preproduction model. Looks like a diff in the front, not a front one-way. Anyword at all if this is the new KYOSHO World CUP car? Sorry, I am a KYOSHO fan, but I watch the NTC3 break every weekend with minor hits and this really reminds me of where the NTC3 breaks. Don't be harsh now, just thinking out loud. :eek:

[puribong]

so this should replace their VoneRR??

[KingWillie]

I don't think so, it looks like it's going to be the new KYOSHO World Cup Car, more like the V1S. I have seen a picture which shows the concept of the V1RR "Evolution." This isn't anything like the picture, its over in the v1r/v1s forum one of the latest pages.

[Saboteur]

No way! :D :p (in response to puribong's post :) )

[shoe]

the bad thing about the engine on the right side is the pipe pressure nipple on most pipes is upsidedown just like the rs4 3......

[TopKatz]

this looks like a entry level car to me. I have no idea why anyone would desighn a car after the rs4-3?

[StevePond]

Please... :rolleyes: It doesn't look any more entry level than a Nitro TC3.

[TopKatz]

Always defending the manufactures Steve......

Your trying to tell me that this is a better desighn then the v-one-r? Honest now? That this looks like a higher end car then a ntc3?

I own a shaftdriven car with a simaler layout to this...and it is hands down the worst desighn in a rc car that I have seen since getting back into the hobby. The amount of slop and play that it has is horific at best....

[StevePond]

No, I'm just defending common sense. ;) This ISN'T whatever car you own that you feel is poorly made, and I can't see how that has anything to do with this car. It's only a picture, so I can't say that it's better or worse than the V-One-R, I can only go on what I see. Here's a list of equipment on the car based on what I can see in the picture:

> Threaded aluminum shocks
> Sway bars
> Aluminum center driveshafts
> Clutch-type two-speed (same gears as the V-One-R
> Full pivot-ball suspension


Plus it's outfitted with a Sirio .12 engine, a polished aluminum Kyosho two-chamber tuned pipe, a Futaba FM radio system, 9451 digital servos (about $130 a piece) a 5-cell rechargable receiver pack, and a Centax clutch (I'm looking at a half-dozen other pictures where I can see this).

Based on the empirical evidence of the car's features and the optional equipment used to outfit the car, it's a safe bet this car is designed for racing.

Nothing personal - everyone is welcome to their opinion, but given the aforementioned, I can't imagine how you could come up with this being an entry-level car. If it's simply because it's shaft drive, then it's not solid logic. There are also some pretty basic cars that also use a similar belt system as some well-respected racing cars, so the type of drive system is certainly no indication of performance worthiness.

Personally, I prefer the engine facing front because I believe the engine will get better cooling around the carb to reduce the likelihood of vapor lock. I would have prefered they put the engine on the left side of the car so it would be compatible with standard tuned pipes, but that's about all I can see so far. For all I know, this could in fact be a larger "Super" class car, so I'm going to reserve further judgement until I can see and drive the car.

[ntn324]

Originally posted by TopKatz
I have no idea why anyone would desighn a car after the rs4-3? who said they designed the car after the rs4-3?
if you did a little research, you would realize that Kyosho has been releasing shaft driven cars for quite some time, long before the RS4-3 even came out

[KingWillie]

I do like the fact it has Sirio power and I do like the fact they are thinking low, low CG. Wish there were more info on this model.

[StevePond]

I don't think the engine comes with the car, I think that's just the engine they chose to use in the pictures.

[ckappler]

I agree with TopKatz to a point. Stuff seems to be in the wrong spot. Why load the right side of the car with the engine and fuel?

I do not like the fuel tank on the right front. During a run, the right front will unload with the drop of fuel. You can never get the numbers to come out right on a scale, and it will throw off how the car drives over time.

Features not withstanding, its an RTR layout. The layout of the V One R is much better for consistant run...right down the middle!

Cory

[KingWillie]

I thought maybe it would be a powered kit with a decent racing engine. The KYOSHO GS series engines are fine for first timers, but they won't cut it at the track.

[Pro3/nmt105]

I doubt this car's drivetrain is going to be as smooth as the ntc3's, due to the fact that it has 2 drive shafts and each are at angles connecting the lower diffcases and higher 2 speed tranny, unlike the ntc3, which has one horizontal drive shaft, connecting the front diff and two speed and the 2 speed connects directly to the rear diff, everything is horizontal making very little friction because the drive shafts dont have to be at an angle in the drive cups. I cant really tell from the pics though, mabey the driveshafts arent at an angle on the FW05R. I dont like the fact that it resembles the rs4 3, but that design and the ntc3 design are pretty much the only ways you could use shaft drive and have the engine in the position so that side exaust engines will fit. I think the main reason the fuel tank is on the same side as the engine is because it allows you to use the same hole in the body to fill the tank and to allow air to flow over the engine, think of it this way have you ever seen a car with a tank that wasnt in front of the engine?

[KingWillie]

Actually the two shafts are an advantage as the tensile strength of metals is greater over a shorter distance, i.e. way less twist in the shaft and more direct application of the power. The key will be the mid-dif. If they do a good job this could be a very nice drive train. Typically KYOSHO does a good job. I have real doubts the final product will be anything like what we see in this picture. There are just too many issues with construction yet. KYOSHO'S V1S and V1R series have been quite rugged, I can't see this design lasting long in the hands of a wallbanger.

[ProF1TOOL]

Wow, I will have to get one of these. What makes you think it will not last long if you clearly said the V1R is rugged? It obviously empolys the V1R's suspension and shaft drive makes this thing even more so. I think the "center diff" design leaves some room for "give" in the tranny so that means it won't hacve those nasty gear problems of the NTC3.

[StevePond]

I don't believe it will have a center diff, nor do I think you would ever want one for an on-road car. It would really kill the drive coming out of the corners.

[Adanmtxt1]

Steve, maybe it i just me, but it seems shaft is taking over touring cars as well. Is torque steer (which tends to happen with shaft driven cars) negligable? I think that belts are the way to go for touring, especially since race tracks tend to be prepped so no rocks are on there.

[nitro_racers]

Looks just like another nitro sedan to me. Tc3 Rules nitro sedan world<<<

[Possumbot]

nitro_racers- how is this car anything like any other nitro sedan? its shaft, which puts it in the minority already, the only others i know of are the new LD3,NTC3, and RS4 3(if i forget one fill me in guys, im not an expert) but how many of them have a split drive situation? only the hpi doesn't use a straight thru shaft. And HPI is the only one that mounts it on the left side of the chassis(if looking at it head on). All practicality and effectiveness thoughts aside, this is a pretty "different" style car.

[oldginger]

I think it's a well designed car, that's why I still keep it's grand father. :)

http://www.rchub.com/gfx/media/kyosho10touring.jpg

http://www.rchub.com/gfx/media/kyosho10touring2.jpg

[ianhobbies]

i also have this car,actually it's my firts nitro car,however,my gp10 has evloved,2 years ago,i converted this car to "pureten" by placing "spider" suspension arms,teflon adujustable touring shocks and lots more! well it is a project car for me. i'll post a pic later :)

[KingWillie]

Originally posted by ProF1TOOL
Wow, I will have to get one of these. What makes you think it will not last long if you clearly said the V1R is rugged? It obviously empolys the V1R's suspension and shaft drive makes this thing even more so. I think the "center diff" design leaves some room for "give" in the tranny so that means it won't hacve those nasty gear problems of the NTC3.

The servos are hanging out and the gas tank is eposed as well as the RX. All things the V1R does not have.
Its really good to see KYOSHO playing with new designs as their kits seem to be of very high quality and their cars very competitive. Now they only need a decent US importer to support the products.

[NiMo]

Now they only need a decent US importer to support the products.

Same problem in the UK, I have to get my supplies via post from Hong Kong.

[KingWillie]

Originally posted by StevePond
I don't believe it will have a center diff, nor do I think you would ever want one for an on-road car. It would really kill the drive coming out of the corners.

Current diffs may do this, however if they adopted a system similar to the Kawahara negative diff it would not have this problem. I am always surprised I dont see more people running the negative diff, possibly wieght is the issue. It really is a nice substitute for the ol' differential. Would be cool to get some word from KYOSHO on this new vehicle.

[Godspeed]

I like it for the fact that the receiver is placed away from the fuel tank. Saves all the hassle getting a receiver cover.

[nolanfarmer]

I also think it's a well designed car.

The REAL advantage of the right side engine mounting is the fact that the OS four-stroke will fit in there.

[jia_zhuang]

from the looks of it the car seems to be quite balanced in terms of weight, if u notic how the throttle servo, battery and RX modeule are on the opposite side to the engine to balances each other out, and at the front u have a servo balancing the fuel tank (with fuel) out. So in terms of weight distribution it looks solid, but the only thing I dont like about it is the fact that it look well nasty man. Really messy and spread out, not compact like some cars. Thats really it.

[NiMo]

I have no idea why anyone would desighn a car after the rs4-3?

Now who's copying who?

I drove a Kyosho SuperTen (FW-03 ?) in the 1997 Kyosho Cup series (the car was around before then), which was recently updated to the FW-04 model. The fuel tank / motor / drivetrain layout has been the same on both these FW models and I also believe was used on the earlier RS200 model.
If anyone is copying someone then it would be HPI copying Kyosho (who probably copied someone else).

My only surprise with the FW-05 is that it's built to 200mm, guess the FW code was for 'shaft drive' and not 'SuperTen'.


I do not like the fuel tank on the right front. During a run, the right front will unload with the drop of fuel. You can never get the numbers to come out right on a scale, and it will throw off how the car drives over time.

Now this depends on which way round you race.
Here in the UK we race clockwise, and we have found fuel pick up problems with the standard V-one S tank, but when we've run in Europe (where they run anti-clockwise) we've had no fuel pick up problems.

[ProF1TOOL]

Originally posted by StevePond
I don't believe it will have a center diff, nor do I think you would ever want one for an on-road car. It would really kill the drive coming out of the corners.

Doh! That's right, it doesn't have a center diff. I just unconsciencly put center diff the moment I see gears in the middle. What I meant to say was the split-drive shaft system of this car is better than the NTC3's because of the slop in it.

[me43]

Originally posted by NiMo
Same problem in the UK, I have to get my supplies via post from Hong Kong.

guess im lucky cuz the host of my local track only runs kyosho cars:D :) :D

[nitronutz]

Let see what the final version looks like and save all our arm-chair quarterbacking for the real test. Remember what they said about the Nitro TC3... "rush job"... "unorthodox"... won't amount to much"

Its thinking outside the box that creates new standards. I think the main thrust of this car is the center diff. Of course the engineers are gonna tweak it rearrange it, balance it lower the center of gravity and protect the vital organs all before its release... (we hope - they might just save half the upgrading and tweaking for the second version ).

The fact that theres a Sirio engine pictured in it should be an indication that old standby features and ideas don't last forever.. however acceptable they are.


Conformity is the crutch of the follower. I applaud the nerve and daring to be different and seeking new ways of achieving the desired result...Winning! :D

[Viper__13]

Well they should have named it like the V-1RS or something, that name's kinda misleading, but I guess it is from the shaft drive of the supertens. The Sirio might mean Kyosho has a deal with Trinity or something, they advertised OS engines and were distributed by great planes like OS, so thats why their cars had them in advertisements. If thats what it is, it could mean a better importer for Kyosho in the US and a whole slew of parts from Trinity. Im probably talking crap but ya never know.

[Pro3/nmt105]

Originally posted by ProF1TOOL
Doh! That's right, it doesn't have a center diff. I just unconsciencly put center diff the moment I see gears in the middle. What I meant to say was the split-drive shaft system of this car is better than the NTC3's because of the slop in it.
I think itll have more slope, two drive shafts rather than one means four drive cups that the shafts sit in rather than two meaning twice as much slope.

[superspeed]

Originally posted by KingWillie
The servos are hanging out and the gas tank is eposed as well as the RX. All things the V1R does not have.
Its really good to see KYOSHO playing with new designs as their kits seem to be of very high quality and their cars very competitive. Now they only need a decent US importer to support the products.

Kyosho is exclusively distributed by Great Planes, which is also the only distributor for O.S. engines. G.P. runs towerhobbies, but all together is owned by Hobbico, a very large company/manufacture in r/c market.

Steve, can you post some side shots of the car? I'd like to see how high the engine is sitting. Thanks

SS

[superspeed]

Originally posted by StevePond
The "FW-04" is a super-class car, similar in dimensions to the Super Nitro RS4, so it confused me a little bit when I saw the FW-05R, expecting it to be a super class car as well. As it turns out, the new FW-05R appears to be an all new 200mm competition-class car from Kyosho featuring shaft drive. The engine, mounted on the right side of the chassis, drives a centrally mounted two-speed transmission. This appears to be a pre-production car, so the final details are not known, but as soon as we have more information, We'll pass it along.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/fw05r.jpg

Photo courtesy of Yaesu Publishing (http://www.yaesu-net.co.jp)

Super-class (supertens) was awersome. There was even an four stroke version of FW-04 superten a few years ago. Looks like big K (hehe) is gonna discontinue the FW-04, hmmmm I'll probably have to pick one up. They're lots of fun!!!

[Archerboi]

Does anyone know a release date? :confused:

[NiMo]

Does anyone know a release date?

The UK importer is expecting the UK stocks to be in September.

[Archerboi]

Originally posted by NiMo
The UK importer is expecting the UK stocks to be in September.

Is there are Kyosho UK site? Also what about in the US?

[Mika]

Originally posted by StevePond
I don't believe it will have a center diff, nor do I think you would ever want one for an on-road car. It would really kill the drive coming out of the corners.

You can actually have one, a sort slipper clutch, for FW04. It's called Viscous coupler that stabilizes the wheel rpm between front and rear. It also makes the more front wheel drive than full 4wd. I doub't you can use it in this car, though.

[StevePond]

You'd really have to be struggling for traction if you needed to use a center diff or a viscous coupler, and were able to use it effectively. A center diff/coupler just bleeds off way too much power in my opinion.

Back on topic, it looks like these cars are starting to appear in the Japan market. Anyone seen anything about these cars becoming available?

[NiMo]

RCModel has them listed for August 1st delivery - $310

I'm hoping it will have a centre one-way option like the FW04 has, then you'll have a one-way and 4 wheel braking.

[super_racer]

I have one on order from a dealer in Hong Kong as here in OZ, we dont see these new items for months. Im hoping to receive it in a couple of weeks.
I also have a FW-04 which i converted to 4 stroke and love every bit of it, the handling, power, features, etc. (i'll post up some pics of it soon) I also have the viscous coupler on it and the driveability is alot better with it - i have it on the back to give more power on front when racing on tight tracks and vice versa for large tracks. As far as ive been told, the FW-04 is still going to stay around for a while but wont be upgraded as yet.

I was looking over the Kyosho JPN site and found this information of a race that was held with one of the prototype FW-05r's and here are the results (the "???" are the drivers names, but i couldnt translate them, sorry :) )


1 - ??? - 17L/5:02.666 KYOSHO/FW-05R
2 - ??? - 17L/5:04.143 KYOSHO/V-One RR
3 - ??? - 17L/5:05.463 Mugen/MTX-3
4 - ??? - 17L/5:06.197 ASSOCIATED/TC3
5 - ??? - 17L/5:07.336 KYOSHO/V-One RR
6 - ??? - 17L/5:07.950 Mugen/MTX3
7 - ??? - 17L/5:08.163 Mugen/MTX3

I remember when the V-One R first came out, i was actually one of the first to have one in OZ. when i took it to the track, people just couldnt accept it. but now i see them everywhere. The same will happen with this FW-05, it wont be accepted, then people will realise how good they are.

[NiMo]

I have also got one on order, but here in the UK the Kyosho importer is only interested in the RTR kits so I dont expect the FW05R to be officially imported.
I have been running a V-one R since March 2001 (1 of only 4) but have had to get my spares from Hong Kong.

Found this part on the Kyosho Japan site:
Spare Parts List - kyosho.co.jp/rc_model/touring_rally/oneten/fw05r_option/fw05r_spare01-j.html
Options Part List - kyosho.co.jp/rc_model/touring_rally/oneten/fw05r_option/fw05r_option01-j.html
(start address with - http://www.)
It already shows that Carbon Shock Towers will be available.

[super_racer]

The spares and option parts are already listed on www.towerhobbies.com but not available until "Late October".

i wonder if a pullstart engine could fit in it? just curious.

[NiMo]

i wonder if a pullstart engine could fit in it? just curious.
Looking at the pictures it looks very possible (SuperTen style).
Mine is in the post so I should know in a week or so.

[super_racer]

cool, post up some pics as you build it!

[morlock]

Nont only do they get Asian products first - but heak - they are a day ahead to boot! They are selling them for about US$330.00.

From the diagram on the bright red box - it appears that at least the rear drive shaft is at an angle.

As far as quality - be assured that ksyoho cars are tanks. I had a v-one-r and I NEVER broke a part on it. I repeat NEVER. I have also owned a TC3 and currently run an MTX-3 (my current favorite). So forget any questions about slop or quality.

I AM a bit concerned about gas tank placement only as similar to an NTC3, it might be collateral damge from right side pipe hits (left on my NTC3 - which went thorugh 3 gas tanks).

I would post a pic, but I am new to the forum and it will not let me. Why is this?

By the way - looks like they sell a GRP version with foam tires. Who ever heard of foam tires on a kit not intended to compete?:cool:

[morlock]

Again, cannot post pics - but! - here is a link to the ENglish version of the JAPANESE kyosho site with many pics and a good descript.

-

1) go to http://www.kyosho.co.jp/main-e.html

2) Select english

3) follow the links to new produt ---> kits and scroll down till you see the Fw-05r.

Sorry, their site does not displat the full url of the link when you are on it - just the main address.

[super_racer]

i own a FW-04 which has the same placement of the fuel tank, i got many hits to the side that destroyed atleast 3 pipes but never a tank.

i agree with kyosho build quality, i never broke a part on my superten or 3 previous v-one r's. i also have a v-one s and still havent broken a part except for a few stipped spurs on the 2 speed (expected when using high rpm engines :p ).

is it possible to use a pulstart engine in this car?

[V-one R Finland]

Originally posted by morlock


From the diagram on the bright red box - it appears that at least the rear drive shaft is at an angle.



Here you can get detailed pics of the drivetrain:

http://joybox.fc2web.com/shs03_kyosho.html

[morlock]

Originally posted by V-one R Finland
Here you can get detailed pics of the drivetrain:

http://joybox.fc2web.com/shs03_kyosho.html

Great links! But thanks alot! I might have to buy one now! From those pics it appears that both shafts are straight.

Now where would one pick up a right side pipe/manifold? :rolleyes:

[StevePond]

O.S. makes the pipe and header - top shelf stuff too.

The header is O.S. part number 72106160

The pipe is O.S. part number 72103031

Tower Hobbies has both items in stock.

[morlock]

Good info - thanks! Anyone who gets this car will need that combo.

[super_racer]

This is my FW-04 with 4 stroke, it has the same layout as the 05r including the tank position. ive had numerous hits in the pipe side and never broke a tank.

i'll be putting in a 4 stroke in my 05r, the 04 needs a little brother!


http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~wolf5/fw-04/4%20stroke.JPG

[StevePond]

Super Racer - O.S. has a .30 four-stroke engine now. They don't have a specific car version yet, but I'm sure it will still work. They were saying it has around 20 to 25-percent more power than the .26. You should check it out.

[super_racer]

way ahead of you steve, looked into it already :)

as far as i know, they arent making a car version but im thinking about a block conversion.

[StevePond]

Block conversion?

I don't know that there were any significant differences between the car and airplane versions of the .26, other than the black parts and the intake manifold. I think you might be able to just drop the .30 straight in without a problem. Just swap manifolds and Ihink you'd be in business.

BTW - not to take this thread futher off topic, but have you tried using a 2-needle carb yet? I installed the O.S. 10E-R carburetor and preferred it over the standard single needle carb.

[super_racer]

i looked into my options and theres not alot, actually none but dropping in the new motor but i was told the crank was also a different size and i also require a pullstart motor.

about the carb, is there much of a difference? isnt it harder to tune with two needles on the 4 stroke? i was thinking about drilling out the hole in the existing carb for a larger intake.

not sure though. anyway this is going off topic, could we continue this conversation elswhere?

[NiMo]

Found a pipe for the FW05R, but they only ship to USA and Canada, guess I need to persuade the UK importer that he needs to bring them in.

http://www.rdlogics.com/store/P_138.htm

[StevePond]

Kyosho also makes a VSW009 manifold. It's supposed to fit the car a little better and it can be used for any right-side tuned pipe.

[apus]

Looks like the handling will be good. Shaft driven means less parts to strip too.:D . But it looks it will cause quite some trouble when doing maintenance.:(

[NiMo]

1 nut, 1 screw - fuel tank off.
1 nut, 7 screws, steering rod, thottlebrake servo horn - radio deck off.
8 screws - rear gearbox swingarm assembly off.
4 screws - gearbox off.
8 screws, 2 steeringf rods -- front gearbox swingarm assembly off.
4 bolts - motor off.

just left with steering assembly and chassis.

under 10 minutes to strip the car.

and boy does it handle, comparing it to my V-one R is like jumping from a Minardi to a Ferrari, so much less effort required to get those quick laps (this is from a car built as the instruction sheet using Kyosho Mugen NSX 2002 shell), the way it just launches out of the corners is breathtaking, the car simply loves corners.

[KingWillie]

Originally posted by NiMo
Found a pipe for the FW05R, but they only ship to USA and Canada, guess I need to persuade the UK importer that he needs to bring them in.

http://www.rdlogics.com/store/P_138.htm

Ship it to me I'll mail it to you. PM me if your interested.

[NiMo]

Originally posted by KingWillie
Ship it to me I'll mail it to you. PM me if your interested.

Thanks for the offer but I have found the sole UK Dealer, turns out that I've been racing against them for the last 3 years.

[NiMo]

Kyosho FW05S ??

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/events/hobbyshow/43th_tokyo/img/boos.gif

From what I can work out it comes with a GS15R motor and a choice of 2 shell, Nissan Skyline GT-R, BMW M3 GTR.

[StevePond]

Yeah, it's the sport version of the R. It was inevitable - shaft drive is a much more user firendy drive system for newcomers, so a sport model makes total sense.

[nitro burn]

bloody hell that thing looks fast, but expensive. does that engine give it a high cg?:confused:

[StevePond]

It's deceiving because it looks like the engine is sitting up so high - in fact it's not mounted any higher than the engine in any other car. Everything else around the engine sits so much lower in the FW-05R that it makes the engine look so tall. I find that this car has an incredibly low CG.

[NiMo]

To give another view of how low the FW05 is, the fuel tank is the same as the one used in the V-one R, but it sits lower in the car and yet it looks as though it sits higher.

[KingWillie]

NImo, have you tried the one-way yet?

[NiMo]

Not yet as I'm still running in the Rubber series, also I'm a bit too brake happy to be able to get the best from a one-way.
I have ask the guys at 3racing if they would do a central one-way (a one-way bearing in the brake disk holder), they said they would look into it.
If I could get the centre one-way I could then still have 4 wheel braking (as was possible with the FW04).

[StevePond]

A center one-way with four wheel braking would be an interesting option.

BTW - Nimo, have you experienced any unusual wear of the ring and pinion gears of the differentials? The rear diff would be the first place to look for the most wear. I haven't seen any unusual wear on my car, but there's someone running around the boards (probably the same guy :D ) saying that the gears wear out after a only a weekend. Just curious what's happening with your car.

[NiMo]

I got a little wear as they broke in but that's it, they have not got any worse, and I have probably done a good 8/9 hours of running with the car.
It looks like a wet weekend here so it will be the first chance to try the car on a wet track.

[StevePond]

I forgot that you wacky Brits still run in the wet. ;) :D

[NiMo]

We've been lucky this year, I've never had so many dry meetings.

[StevePond]

How do you change the set-up for wet? Really soft rubber tires or foams? What about suspension?

[NiMo]

Foams are a no go (more control on ice).

For Rubber you use the Pits D98J's of 20 or 25 compound.
Set the clutch softer and give less bite on the brakes.
Suspension depends on the track, some tracks you actually go to harder springs but remove the roll bars.
And the most important thing, don't run on the racing line, you can get more grip on the parts that don't normally get used (even if you have to square the corner).

[NiMo]

I should also add:

95% of our on-road tracks are permanent tracks.

I've only ever run on parking lot tracks when I've gone abroad whilst doing the Kyosho Cup Euro and World finals, and I hate them.

[StevePond]

We might have 10 percent of our tracks as permanent facilities. I'm envious. :(

[NiMo]

A list of most UK clubs (on/off/indoor/oval) can be found here:

http://www.brca.org/tg_new.htm

My club is Aldershot (track pic found on site)

[StevePond]

Ahhhhh. Look at you winning the A Final. :D

[NiMo]

All thanks to the FW05R for making life so easy.

[KingWillie]

Nimo, how are you adjusting the front toe, I read in the review there are no turnbuckles up front? What pipe did you end up using and did you get the KYOSHO manifold? For that matter what engine are you running in it.

[NiMo]

There are front turnbuckles, the cups butt together making it look like they're solid item, I've unwound them a turn or two as it was giving a bit too much toe out when the car is set to 200mm with Schumacher wheels.

I got the Kyosho pipe for the National racing as it's the legal 5.2mm stinger (outlet) but fore club I'm currently running the RD Logics pipe as the spring connectors hold up better when in and incident (cars that find chicanes on the main straight) but this pipe has a 5.9 stinger making it an outlaw system.

I tried a Sirio AAD 3 port turbo but after a month I could not keep it running for more than 3 minute due to no compression, So I've gone back to my 2 year old NovaRossi RS12 S3.
I have just purchaced an NS12 3port Turbo but waiting till the December break to put that in.

[spenzalii]

Interesting car, but exactly what would you need to put a 4 stroke engine in it? and what kind of gearing would you use? That would definately be an interesting kit to build

[KingWillie]

Originally posted by NiMo
There are front turnbuckles, the cups butt together making it look like they're solid item, I've unwound them a turn or two as it was giving a bit too much toe out when the car is set to 200mm with Schumacher wheels.

I got the Kyosho pipe for the National racing as it's the legal 5.2mm stinger (outlet) but fore club I'm currently running the RD Logics pipe as the spring connectors hold up better when in and incident (cars that find chicanes on the main straight) but this pipe has a 5.9 stinger making it an outlaw system.

I tried a Sirio AAD 3 port turbo but after a month I could not keep it running for more than 3 minute due to no compression, So I've gone back to my 2 year old NovaRossi RS12 S3.
I have just purchaced an NS12 3port Turbo but waiting till the December break to put that in.

Traction pretty good with the S3? Do you think the car could handle the S5, traction wise ? Have you looked into the front one-way yet? Does the car handle the fast corners well with the front diff, I'm sure the braking gets you in deeper. Lastly have you broken anything on it yet?

[NiMo]

I think the car could hande the S5 as I believe you run foam, I run the S3 on Rubber and find it almost impossible to lose the rear end under power in the dry.
As for the wet, as soon as you hit the power band you will light up the tyres, but saying that, not even the V-one RR guys with the Negative diff could keep up with me.
The car is almost water tight with the use of an MP7.5 air filter and the Kyosho receiver protector, I say almost as two KO Thottle servo's have failed in both wet meetings (guess I need waterproof servo's.
All I changed on the car for a wet set up was to stick on some Pits D98J 21mm tyres with kit insert, nothing else required yet.

Have I broken anything yet ? No. I appear to be making far less mistakes with this car, and when I do I can mostly catch them in time. Only real problem is rear ending other cars out of the corners as they cannot put down the power like me. The clutch is great, almost as though it has a traction control thing fitted.

Not yet got a front one way as it's not ideal when using rubber.

[NiMo]

I reported in a previous post how I thought the FW05 may be undergeared, but I now think it may be the odd exhaust note with a wrong mixture that has caused a flat spot in the rev range that couldn't be cleared at my local track.
I ran at the Brooklands Circuit at the weekend which has a longer straight and found the car still picking up speed at the end of the straight without using the chicane which they used for the racing.
So now I need to go back to my local track with the smallest gearing I can find so I can clear the flat spot in the motor, although I may stick with the long first gear as the car pulls it no problem.

http://www.brooklandscircuit.co.uk/track-details.htm

[NiMo]

New beefed up parts for the 05 for release from factory around end of November

No.VZ004H
Carbon composite rear suspension arm
* For V-One S/RR/RR Evo. /FW-05

No.VS020H
Carbon composite front suspension arm
* For FW-05.

No.VSW018
Steel bevel gear set (39T)
* For FW-05.

No.VSW019
Steel bevel gear set (40T)
* For FW-05.

No.VSW020
Aluminum brake disk holder
* For FW-05

[StevePond]

Nimo - thanks for the info.

Guys, lets try to keep the information on this car in the thread that's located in the vehicles section. Here's the link...

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125596