Super charger

[R6905]

Has anyone seen the new super charger, it fits directly on the t-maxx 2.5 and lots and lots of other cars and trucks. its made by rb innovations.... www.rbinnovations.com its suposed to give you a 30% power boost on your t-maxx!!!! its so cool. they also have a special fuel line that puts more gas into your engine so you can jump off the line quicker. and they have a air filter that can be extended to reach to any part of your vehicle! very cool site!!!



Brandon

[MrCrash]

That's SO 3 months ago.Way to keep up with the times,Brain Fart:p

Actually,it looks like it's worth about as much as my dog's excrement for both power and value.

[RS4Tinkerer]

Like I sadi when it first came out. RIP OFF!!!!!

Mike

[R6905]

rip off? 30% more power? it would cost twice the price of the super charger to get that kinda power. think about it, you would need a .21, with a conversion kit, .21=200$ and conversion kit=1-200$ thats expensive, i think its well worth your money! im gonna buy it soon


Brandon

[RS4Tinkerer]

um... I do have a .21. Hyper 8-port. thanks for asking. do a search for it. and see what was said about 3-4 months ago when they were first brought to our attention.

Mike.

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by R6905
rip off? 30% more power? it would cost twice the price of the super charger to get that kinda power. think about it, you would need a .21, with a conversion kit, .21=200$ and conversion kit=1-200$ thats expensive, i think its well worth your money! im gonna buy it soon


Brandon

You fail to take into consideration that the supercharger couldnt possibly work on a 2 stroke engine. So revise your math along these lines. .21=$130 + Converseion kit $180=$310 for proven power gains. Supercharger =$200 /power gained (0) = 0 thats right ZERO!

Its funny how every once in a while a brand new user posts an alsmost exact post as yours screaming about what a super deal this thing is and how we all better run out and get one. You wouldnt by any chance connected with the company thats trying to push this modern day snake oil are you? Stop the phony posts please Mr. Phony Supercharger maker.

[NPedeInsanity]

maybe it could work with that os 4 stroke

[R6905]

how do you think it couldnt possibly work on a 2 stroke? it must work, else they would get some false advertisment law suits.... it does work im sure. if it works like a real super charger, it makes the fuel air mixture more dense so you can pack more in. you dont know that it doesnt work, mr. know-it-all.


Brandon

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by R6905
how do you think it couldnt possibly work on a 2 stroke? it must work, else they would get some false advertisment law suits.... it does work im sure. if it works like a real super charger, it makes the fuel air mixture more dense so you can pack more in. you dont know that it doesnt work, mr. know-it-all.


Brandon

Yes I do know for a fact that it doesnt work. You cant pressurize a 2 stroke intake tract like you can a 4 stroke. Remember the engine gets its mixture from the crankcase NOT the intake tract. The 2 cycle engine has the intake/exhaust and bypass ports open at the same time during each cycle, thats how it scavenges unburnt fuel from the exhaust, not to mention how its able to run in only 2 "cycles". Any "pressure" will be blown out of the exhaust. Please do a little research and educate your self before you make blanket statements based on ignorance and try to pass them on as fact. Do a google search and read up on how these engines work, then come back and apoligize to all the people here for insulting their intelligence. Your product is snake oil.

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by NPedeInsanity
maybe it could work with that os 4 stroke

In theory it should!

[R6905]

it condenses it inside the super charger before its released into the engine so all the pressure is built up in the super charger. thats why the super charger has the air filter and the fuel line attached to it. it also has a pressure valve on the side of it for pressure release when theres too much.


Brandon

[RS4Tinkerer]

tellyou what, get a small paper cup and cut 2 holes in the sides across from each other about 2 inches diameter. now blow into one hole and try to pressureize the inside of the cup. Kinda hard isnt it with that other hole in it. that is how a 2 cycle engine is made. that is why your stupid charger WONT WORK! now stop trying to sound like you know something when we all know that you dont. RBInovations is a rip off like I already said.

good bye little boy. go play with your pokemon cards now and leave us adults alone.

Mike

[MrHorspwer]

Please do a little research and educate your self before you make blanket statements based on ignorance and try to pass them on as fact

Why not do a little research yourself before making blanket statment that NO 2-stroke can be pressurized.

http://www.aerocharger.com/machz1.htm

Take a look... a 2-stroke snowmobile with a turbocharger. This Mach-Z makes 226HP on pump gas and 324 on race gas. I know people who run Aerocharger turbos (on a MXZ) and they are very fast. In other words... they work.

I'm not saying the product in question works or not... I'm just pointing out that you CAN use forced induction on a 2-stroke application and make power.

[Avalanche]

You got me there, Thats only possible becuase it uses reed valves, like most larger 2 cycles. RC engines dont have them and therefore have nothing to hold pressure. There are no really reliable or effective turbo/supercharger systems for 2 strokes, because they just dont grow power like they do on 4 strokes. I never meant to say it couldnt be done, just that it doesnt do anything for you except look pretty.

[Figit090]

well has anyone tried it on the t-maxx yet?? cause that's the only real way you can know for sure....i agree with the posts that it will not work....but has anyone read a review on the damn thing?? i want to read it if you have....anyone??? :rolleyes: i'd like to see what heppened in testing if anyone actually bought one.,..

[Avalanche]

There is a guy with one on a Maxx or Savage I believe, he said it did nothing but lean it out and make it overheat so bad it would stop running after a few minutes. He said it was a total waste, no power gains at all. I think it was on RC Universe, he even had pics.

[R6905]

I understand fully why you guys think it wouldnt work, and i agree with you, but (i dont know for sure cause i have never had this supercharger) i think they would do something to pressurize it. i may be flat *** wrong but i dont know....


rs4 tinkerer, i think you are having some problems today cause everyone of your threads your being a little prick on. Mr. "adult". your probably some 16 year old kid with a girlfriend and 4 kids, and you work at mcdonalds am i right? and cause you got kids you think your some "adult" and that you know everything. even if you are an adult you still can be wrong, now either get over yourself and relize, like avalanche, that this might work or you guys could both be right in saying it doesnt work. all im saying is that on the rb innovations website it says its pressurized in the supercharger. now again I DONT KNOW FOR SURE, dont get all over my case. i think we need a review for this too.


Brandon

[MrHorspwer]

I'd love to see RCCA do a full on review with results... but I doubt that will ever happen. Too much corporate hoopla over bad reviews for that to happen with large magazines.

[RS4Tinkerer]

I have seen this "great invention" in action. it diddnt work. My friend put it on his MBX buggy. all it did was lean out the engine so bad it overheated and fried a NEW piston and cylinder. Yes it was broken in. Yes we knew what we were doing with the engine. Yes I know what Im talking about. it is not my fault that you seem to be saying a bunch of things that I dont agree with. like that this thing must work or they wouldnt be selling it, or that your friend put a 2 pound brass weight inthe front of his truck and it made it handle better and it still is the same speed. Think about what you are saying.

Maybe I am having a bad day. Look in my profile. You will see where i live and what my job is. I am a US Marine, and have been since 1994. Think about what is going on in the world and you might be able to figure out why I am cross today. My unit is still in Iraq and recently some of my friends got ambushed. I got to come home last month since the Stop loss has been lifted. So I am now processing out after 9 years. But my friends, the men I have been serving with for a number of years, are still over there getting killed.

Yes I do have a two year old child, and a wife of 5 years.

I am rather experianced in RC. I have been in it for about 12 years. for the most part I know what I am talking about. IF I am not SURE about what I am saying, I will say my piece and thaen add something like "does anyone agree with this?" I dont want to be that guy that everyone looks at the post and sees my name and says, "that guy dosent know anything. He is always passing false info." I try to maintain a level of creditability here and on a number of other forums that I frequent.

You came off in here like you knew everything and all of us who were saying that the RB supercharger wouldnt work were idiots. Calm down in your posts and so will I.

Just remember, you started the whole Name-Calling thing...

how do you think it couldnt possibly work on a 2 stroke? it must work, else they would get some false advertisment law suits.... it does work im sure. if it works like a real super charger, it makes the fuel air mixture more dense so you can pack more in. you dont know that it doesnt work, mr. know-it-all.

Like some one else in here said, look around and do a bit of reasearch. these cant perform like the manufacturer says. the cylinder is not fully closed, so NO presure could be built up by forced induction.

I apologise for offending you. If you wnat to continue this disccussion with me Email me at Nipplebandit45@aol.com and I will be more than happy to talk.

Mike

[Janders]

while air moves very quickly, and presure is equalized at incredibly fast speeds, there is still a delay and time of movement that allows superchargers to work on 2 stroke engines. If it didn't work at all there wouldn't be any problems as listed above, of engines 'leaning out'(unless of course all the fuel is blown out the exhaust before it can ignite), as this is EXACTLY what a supercharger should do.

However, due to small 2 stroke design, superchargers will become inherently innefficenct, as the power needed to supply the power for forced induction, will not be as sufficiently recuperatedas would in a normal engine. Whether the SC actually 'takes'(all SC's do) more power than it gives, on an RC 2 stroke is simply a matter of testing. Listen to people who have done it, not others. Armchair warriors of physics, or fluid dynamics are a dime a dozen... theories only go so far, testing is what matters.

BTW, IMHO, a 2 stroke SC is waste of $$

[rx78gp03s]

i remember starting up a thread about if super chargers/ turbo charges will work. there was a really good debate about it.
hopefully i'll find it to shw u ppl

here's one, this isnt' it but here u go:
http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129424&highlight=super

grr i can't find my thread.

[R6905]

i wasnt aware that you had acctually tested it rs4. now that i know this, i understand, although i always understood what you meant, i guess i was working on a shred of hope that i would be able to get power cheap..... as i am only 14, i have no money income. I am very sorry about your friends, i was not aware you were a marine. I take back all the things i said about you, and good for you with the wife and kid! now, this hole big discussion is over, thank all of you guys for the info. I only wish you were more clear with what you knew in the beggining, if i only knew you tested it, this would have been over a while ago. thanks again



Brandon

[RS4Tinkerer]

Cool. Once again Sorry for being a jerk.

Mike

[rcconcept]

My two cents is this RBI impeller looks like a copy of some sorta CPU fan.I think a true impeller look sumething like this --> http://www.pcaeng.co.uk/im/vistacc1.jpg

[rc man37689]

Originally posted by R6905
Has anyone seen the new super charger, it fits directly on the t-maxx 2.5 and lots and lots of other cars and trucks. its made by rb innovations.... www.rbinnovations.com its suposed to give you a 30% power boost on your t-maxx!!!! its so cool. they also have a special fuel line that puts more gas into your engine so you can jump off the line quicker. and they have a air filter that can be extended to reach to any part of your vehicle! very cool site!!!



Brandon
i had to do this
lol no offense

[R6905]

haha thats great..... i know thats old news, but i found out about it after i acctually read my magazine which was last week? haha woops




Brandon

[RS4Tinkerer]

ROFLOL. RCMAN you shoulda posted that sooner.

MIke

[rc man37689]

lol hahahahha roflmao
i couldnt find it in my hard drive lol
+ i didnt see this thread

[5150SR71]

Hey guys. So regardless if all this supercharger crap will work on a 2 stroke, has anyone heard anything about one for a 4 stroke? I'm clueless on the whole thing as if it would work or even be worth it, but I like the idea.

and a Hoo-raaa to RS4Tinkerer.....thanks to you and everybody else for kickin ass over there! Stay strong man!

[R3VoLuTiOn]

not another one of these threads...

[Spooph]

Well, i'm glad you guys finally matured, for a moment there both of you seemed about as mature as 2 6 years old fighting..... Hehe, anyways, for a show truck, it wouldn't be a bad idea, and by show, i mean static, but that's not RC, i'm also interested in the 4 stroker idea..... and yea, eventhough my political standing are what some people call "confused", you guys kick some ass over there. My only trailing thought, is where is Osama Bin Laden, and where is Saddam? It seems like these guys some how disappear easier in today's world, than they would have a few decades ago, even with superior technology. Oh yea, for any liberals, just read "The ultimate Hichickers Guide to the Galaxy", it opens up your mind to the train of though, and way we humans live.. More than a shuda sed, well time for bed...

[Zr2]

Originally posted by MrHorspwer
Why not do a little research yourself before making blanket statment that NO 2-stroke can be pressurized.

http://www.aerocharger.com/machz1.htm

Take a look... a 2-stroke snowmobile with a turbocharger. This Mach-Z makes 226HP on pump gas and 324 on race gas. I know people who run Aerocharger turbos (on a MXZ) and they are very fast. In other words... they work.

I'm not saying the product in question works or not... I'm just pointing out that you CAN use forced induction on a 2-stroke application and make power.

Snowmobiles also have adjustable fuel flow and reed valves. Our 2 stroke r/c engines do not.

-Matt

[MrHorspwer]

Snowmobiles also have adjustable fuel flow and reed valves. Our 2 stroke r/c engines do not.

The post I was refering to when I made that statement said that a turbo wouldn't work on ANY 2-stroke. I was simply pointing out that particular statement as being incorrect. I was not justifing the product as being worthwhile or even possible for power production. Matter of fact... I think I put that pretty plainly in the post.

I'm not saying the product in question works or not... I'm just pointing out that you CAN use forced induction on a 2-stroke application and make power.

[madhatterpdc]

I came across this item in an eBay auction, and immediatly flipped my lid when I saw it... "I need one!!!"

Careful thought, inspection, and sticker shock slowed me down enough to avoid the impulse buy. I think that this technology has potential but not this specific device.

1) Pressurization of the fuel/air charge: The point of the whole supercharger/turbo concept is to increase the net amount of mixture available for combustion. In order to create pressure, you need more volume in than out. Without a reed valve as previously mentioned, I don't see this as being a significant amount in the RB design as designed.

2) Components: I have a supercharger on my Regal and have had blowers on a couple of my other cars in the past, and in each of those designs, there was a wholistic approach to the engine to take advantage of the additional mixture charge and to handle the more violent explosions and resultant heat. These mods include stronger components all around, LOWER COMPRESSION pistons, colder plugs, and totally different approach to cam and ignition timing. While you don't have the availability to adjust cam and ignition timing in a 2-stroke, I would have to at least have a much cooler plug, richer fuel mixture, greater cooling capacity/airflow to the head, lower compression piston (forged if possible, although much increased rotating mass), and a MORE RESTRICTIVE exhaust (without SIGNIFICANT scavanging, the supercharged charge is going to blow right through the combustion chamber). The RB design makes no other mods to the engine, and uses A RUBBER BLOWER-TO-CARB HOSE!!! Even a thick rubber hose can't handle but 2-3 psi without flexing. Now at this point we note that the "supercharger" is only "compressing" (at this point I don't think there is much compression, just moving the air faster) the air being fed to carb, not an air/fuel mix. So if the impeller is actually efficient, then you will have ALOT more air arriving at the carb, but the jets are only so large, and can therefore only allow so much fuel into the mixture, unless you got WAY radical and used a very rich mixture (or "rejetted" the carb), but that would only work effectively at higher RPM's and would probably idle like crap and foul plugs very frequently.

3) Final thoughts on the RB desing: I think there is value in the mechanically driven FUEL TANK pressure line, and in the snorkel that can allow for a "cold-air induction" setup. I would also prefer a more sturdy drive belt (one that is as sturdy as an actual engine to diff drive belt) and an idler pulley to keep the belt taught and minimize slip.

So with all of my recommendations above, it would probably be more expensive to supercharge my 1/10th scale remote control car than it was to supercharge my full-size Regal.

Am I going to buy an RB Innovations kit? Yes. I am also keeping my expectations low, and another engine on hand to replace the one that I destroy with the supercharger.

Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back.