Kyosho Landmax Forum v2.0

[Madaz]

ok i didnt think that you sold a GS21, i couldnt imagine anybody would have any trouble to fit one on a kyosho chassis. You are correct about the motor mount being built into the engine block, the landmax1 has the exact same engine with the mount, just the head is blue and smaller and the carb is metal.

Does the madforce motor still have a 3speed clutch crankshaft extension on it??? That and the carb round the wrong way is about all i can think would make it difficult to fit.
But im not much help sorry, i dont have a madforce.... or a MP6 :rolleyes: :D :confused:

I want to know if its possible to set up a landmax1 to have the carb round the other way with a pull throttle linkage (like the mp7.5) instead of the long linkage through the centre diff?. then i can swap my hyper motor between my inferno 7.5 for racing and my lm for bashing and wont need to keep rotating the carb. Has anyone done this successfully to a lm1?

[bgong79]

i just got a set of medial pro tarmac tires for on road use link: http://www.crazynutracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=44&products_id=283&osCsid=ca7f34a2e3b06d22a872830343a04587

but they don't seem to fit my landmax2, the hubs seem to be a bit smaller on the rims. man, i want to use these tires.. please tell me there's a way to make them fit. new hubs perhaps?

any help is appreciated!

[bgong79]

has anybody fitted a HPI super 280mm body to their landmax?? does it work? post pics!

[SixVi6-Camaro]

To run those medial pro tarmac II's you need these hubs. (http://acehardwarehobbies.com/2.2/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=57_38_236&products_id=4129) they will allow the use of 17mm wheels on the landmax. I run those same wheels on my landmax 2.

as far as HPI Super nitro bodies.. well they are too small. they are both too narrow and too short a wheelbase for thelandmax.

[bgong79]

:cool:
going down to ace 2m, thanks.

[Blaster]

l0freq - man, that wreck hurts.:(

cleanmaxx - as far as I know Madaz is right. I already switched my LM2 x MF x Lm1 engines and thy are direct fit - except that you have to rotate the carb 180deg and remove the 3 speed cranckshaft from MF to put it on a LM1.:p The MF engine mounts also have to be removed.:rolleyes: Look at the pic.

SixV6 - tks for the hubs tip. Now we can buy new tire/wheels to our LM. Kyosho originals are too expensive:D

Madaz - I tried to put the engine with carb linkage as you are intending to do now. Just have to bend a little the throtle linkage and set the breakes linkage as we use on LM2/MP 7.5. Ah and reverse the servo actuation on my radio. I just returned to original position because I wanted to keep the LM1 original (with a non original engine...:rolleyes: :confused: :p )

[Blaster]

cleanmaxx - oops! Forgot the pic.:eek:

[cleanmaxx brian]

Thanks Blaster! But you have the silver/gray chassis. The gold chassis is the one that it won't fit on.

Thanks all..I ended up giving him a refund. So the motor is back up for sale on e-bay with a starting price of .99cents! It will sell!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3180425977&category=34062&sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT&rd=1

And I am sr20declassic:D

[BOOCAKE]

just to clarify a little, the GS-21 would fit in the following:

burns DX/usa-1 nitro crusher (but not the turbo burns)
inferno DX/super eight/landmax 1 (but not the turbo inferno)
mp-6 sports (but not mp-6 standard or international)
mp-7.5 sports/landmax 2 (but not mp-7.5 standard or the kanai versions)

in other words, the lowend (dx/sports) versions (and the cars based off of them, like the super eight, landmax and usa-1) always get the cheapo chassis, which always has the 4 extra holes for the gs-21 (since it usually comes with the kit)

so you bought a mad armor? you have TOO MANY TOYS...gimme

john - i saw you have one of the new rb S5 motors in your hyper 7, what do you think of it?

[cleanmaxx brian]

Hey Boo,
Thanks for all the good info! Remember, he with the most toys wins...I am playing to win;)

[SixVi6-Camaro]

lovin the S5 now... initially I had problems with the carb. It would not hold a tune in the least little bit. I tossed on a Hyper .21 carb that I know is reliable and had no problems. I've since gotten a replacement carb and its all good now. S5's got more overall power than any other engine I've had. great torque and top end plus the price is not bad either. Every other engine I've had has been all Torque or all top end. downside is its very pickey on what pipe, plug, and fuel. It flies on 30% fuel, MC9, and RB 9886 pipe. I tried a couple OFNA pipes and my gutted Cvec and they were all horrible. RB pipe on the RB engine is the only way to go.

[BOOCAKE]

cool...first time i have ever heard of anyone putting a hyper carb on another engine though...hehe

just realized i never posted the following pic here, a little sumpin sumpin i picked up from ebay...actually would have cost less than a new body from tower, except the usps screwed up and it wound up having to be shipped from hong kong to the US twice...still not bad considering...

one note on the older bodies (r32 skyline, benz and alfa 155), they apparently didn't include the precut window masking or overspray film like all the newer ones do...

http://kyos%68o.org/gp20/misc/orientexpress.jpg

i also bought one of the evo IV bodies from tower when they were on the daily sale...couldn't resist as i was worried that would be the last of them...plus the price was right ($67, still overpriced but not as bad as the normal $80...hehe)...will make a nice street body, the scoop thing for the roof is a screw-on plastic piece unlike most of the rally style bodies that have it molded in

brian - i like that philosophy, what is the plan for the mad armor?

[uDi_MP75]

I know this has been covered before (hell i've probably even asked before) but could anyone post a list (just quote one if its already been talked about) of the complete parts list to convert an MP7.5 to LM2?

I'll already have one pair of shocks that'll work.

[SixVi6-Camaro]

Lexan Addicts haha.. yeah you would qualify. Very nice.

If you are addicted to lexan I'm addicted to Engines.. lol. I have the OPS .21, 2 XTM's, 4 Hyper 8 ports (and lots of parts, darn ebay), RB S5, and I just picked up an OPS on road engine for no reason at all. lol.

The Hardcore RB guys were up in arms when they noticed the Hyper carb in a pic of my H7. Its back to the Nova carb now though.

[BOOCAKE]

heh, i will have to get a pic of my naked landmax plastic collection sometime...2 corollas, the benz, the mitsu and the r34 skyline (nevermind the painted ones from my used car collection)

udi, you would need the a-arms (2 sets to get all 4 arms), 4 5x20mm turnbuckles and some misc. crap to mount em (the LM2 doesn't use the 7.5 front upper a-arms, it uses the 7.8mm balls/ball ends like on the rear of the 7.5), 4 of the shorty dogbones (or 2 bones and 2 unis), rear carriers, the 19mm hubs, LM rims and tires, a bigger clutchbell, front and rear body mounts and a body...that is the big stuff i can think of offhand, you can get all the part numbers from here (http://www.gpmd.com/cgi-bin/wgpprt100p?&I=KYOC0543) if you decide to go ahead with it...you can use the regular 7.5 shock towers but you would need to drill two holes in the rear one to connect the body mount...can also use the normal 7.5 steering setup but you have to modify the ball ends in the steering linkage to accomodate the narrower width

i still say you would be better off getting one from ebay to cannibalize, my LM2 cost less than what all those parts would cost at tower prices

[uDi_MP75]

thanks a bunch boo. might go add it all up just for kicks.

SixVi6's Subaru bodied car has been my main motivation all this time for wanting one.... so if that means anything six, i think that setup looks sick.

I have kept an eye on ebay, but man, no one hardly ever seems to sell LM2's - compared to the 7.5's, seems like theres always at least 5-10 of those.

[BOOCAKE]

very welcome, let me know what the total comes out to (i am guesstimating an easy $200+)...

agreed on ebay, LM2s don't come up all that often and when they do they bring about $300 or so...i really lucked out on mine, i was the only bidder...also ended at like 3 in the afternoon so that probably helped...hehe

also agreed on john's car, nice setup and looks just plain MEAN...blaster's LM2 (pictured elsewhere in this thread) is sweet also

[BOOCAKE]

p.s. congrats to brian on the sale of his GS-21...$85! not too shabby

[SixVi6-Camaro]

Thanks Guys! I'm lad my Rc's are influencing people in a good way.

Yeah Its actually cheaper to go from an LM2 to a Buggy simply because of ebay parts. going from a bugy to an LM2 is going to be expensive.

[l0freq]

hi all

i uploaded a whole buncha pics last nite so if youre bored have a look :) we got a buncha pics after lee and i finished our chevy luminas (http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040222%20-%20chevy%20lumina%20collection/)... a test drive of lee's bluesmobile on the street (http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040229%20-%20bluesmobile%20testdrive/)... some new tamiya electric cars (http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040303%20-%20new%20tamiya%20electrics/) i bought off the web... pics of the new wasp motors (http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040306%20-%20new%20WASP%20motors%20and%20breakin/) and fitting into the LM... a day at the 1:8 buggy track with madaz's 7.5 (http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040307%20-%20buggy%20racing%20at%20papakura/)... a late nite breakin run (http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040308%20-%20night%20drive%20at%20the%20quarry/) where u cant see much cus the cars were zipping around so fast/long exposure on the camera... and finally some action shots of the newly parma/duratraxx bodied and team orion/hyper21 powered LMs (http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040314%20-%20rippin%20up%20the%20quarry/). hope they are interesting :)

more action shots abound on madaz's camera!

anyway heres an interesting 15sec exposure in my garage with us being nods with a lighter... and a classic madaz shot... cars look like they are flying... because they are... haha

http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040222%20-%20chevy%20lumina%20collection/040226%20-%20lumina%20photos%2024.jpg

http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040314%20-%20rippin%20up%20the%20quarry/040314%20-%20rippin%20up%20the%20quarry%2030.jpg

[BOOCAKE]

hehehe...nice pics as always! i am particularly jealous of the two wasps and pile o' parts

[SixVi6-Camaro]

Very cool.. I'm soo going to have to pick up a couple of lumina bodies and mabey even the duratrax body. They look good. I especially like the look of the truck body. Looks very realistic.

[Blaster]

BOOCAKE - thanks for your nice words. Like you I am a fan of polycarbonate...:rolleyes: Specially the skyline, subaru and alfa bodies (hey sixV6, where you got your alfa??). I got a Novarossi RX-21 3.5 7ports Mario Mod. Not sure if the LM2 will be a good car to take all of it, as I don't have a 1/8 on road racecar by now. :confused:


l0freq - great pics! I liked the nr 78 shooted at 1/8 buggy tracks.:D The bashing pics are great. Very inspirating.;) Man, I need to go to NZ!!!!

[l0freq]

hehe i thought you were talking about buggy #78, thats madaz's car! but photo #78 is not madaz's :( nor one of ours :( belonged to someone else unfortunately...

we all were disheartened i can tell you! http://www.project-xordon.de/guest-book/images/smiley/cry_smile.gif

but yes come to NZ pls we need more LM nuts to bash with! :D

[SixVi6-Camaro]

well the Alfa bod is discontinued I believe. I got lucky and found it in the basement of an LHS tucked away in the corner with no labels or anything on it in an opened bag. i got it for $50 usd.

Right now I just put an OPS On Road engine in my Landmax. Its got a very different powerband compared to all the buggy engines I've had in the landmax. Geared a 15t clutchbell it starts way slower off the line than the buggy engines . After a second though it just goes.. wait I mean really Rips through the mid and top end with unreal top RPM. So on road engines will work on the landmax it will just have a weird powerband. just be carefull with the glow plug because its probably a turbo plug which is not too dirt friendly.

[uDi_MP75]

I think different onroad engines might have different characteristics there.

I'm running a C5-Circuit in my buggy right now, and the lowend is quite strong - with lightened ally clutchshoes, 1.0 springs, and 13T bell. Will try 1.1 soon but so far even with 1.0 its wasting away my tires too quick.

The difference is it has a very defined/hard hitting powerband, there's not much modulation - it jumps from low to top with almost no transition, and screams crazily on topend.

so blaster, I think the RX21R should go fine in the LM... i'm thinking that and C5C are comparable motors (I think the mario mod is quite a mild mod anyways..)

[l0freq]

hello hello
madaz and lee and friend steve (with an electric buggy) and i, had a blast on the weekend racing again in the dead end road next to a small quarry we have here - was a real fun drive with the addition of a small jump made out of a spare tyre and bootliner panel... pics are coming but i processed and uploaded some quick vids here

http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040321%20-%20rc's%20at%20the%20quarry/

- so if u feel like it have a look :) the vids are mostly below 1mb each, compressed in divx 5.0.5

the wasp .26's really help down low for that tyre destroying action. and no i wasnt giving it full nuts in those donuts - actually throttle was really around 40-50% feathering there :)

of course i have to say this one is my favourite! hehe

http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040321%20-%20rc's%20at%20the%20quarry/040321%20-%20rc's%20at%20the%20quarry%20-%20lofreq%20drift%2003.avi

ps: i couldnt embed the URL's because this forum was having a fit with the single quote marks ( ' ) i was using in the link names. so, you'll have to copy the whole URL out of here and paste into your browser. gayness! sorry guys

[l0freq]

ok sorry guys the links above dont work as the message board has cut out some of the characters for some reason

here it is in full:

www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/RC%20Stuff/040321%20-%20rc's%20at%20the%20quarry/

dont click on the first part of the link, it goes no where. copy and paste all of it into your browser and add http:// in the front of it


lemme know if that works!

[HKmaxx]

Good vids, keep 'em coming.

[Jimmy33]

yay! I FINALLY picked up my Evo Shell! Its going to be yellow!

James - keep rallying dudes!

[mundenbk]

Does anybody have or know of someone whom wishs to sell there Landmax2?

If not were have you guys been getting them. I notice alot of folks are from NL. If you have been purchasing them locally, how much are they going for?

Just looking for some different options as who to go thru. If you have websites that will be cool.

Thanks

Brian

I have looked at Tower but like I said just looking for more options.

[Madaz]

hi all, since testing i have come to the conclusion that the nitrodemon body is pretty damn good for offroad bashing! ( its better than my lm1 escort body) I was giving my landmax some real hard driving a few weekends ago, i was jumping it and rolling it alot. The body has a 30mm rip where the motor heatsink fits through the rear deck and it has a few dents and gouges in the lexan, also lots of paint flaked off!!! never before have a damaged a new body this much on the first day of driving it :D

But for $20 i dont really mind if it gets wrecked. I recommend everybody try this body because it makes you drive your landmax like a maniac and it is alot of fun. Ok it isnt the most detailed of bodies and id rather have a new yellow lancer evolution body like jimmy33 but for a bit of fun driving and for the low price its perfect. :rolleyes:

Udi_ instead of converting your inferno mp7.5 to a landmax why dont u just get a nitrodemon body or a landmax body and mount it straight on your inferno 7.5 for some rallycross driving? im gonna bodgy the nitrodemon shell on my inferno sport but i really want some medial pro tarmacs or road tyres for the buggy before i cut the wheelwheels out radically to fit around the huge offroad tyres. It will have a similar appearance to an ofna GTP but with a better proportion body.

[Madaz]

hehe

[VoodooKiller]

About a week ago I managed to blow up my GS21-R enginge that came with my landmax 2. Looking at prices vs performance I want to get a better engine. I am looking at the O.S. .21 RG here (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBZ32&P=7) :( . Now I know I need engine mounts for it. I know it does not have a pull starter, that is fine, I am going to get a bump box. What engine mounts do I need, and will this engine even work? If it does not what engine will? I really need help and opinions with this, thanks a bunch. :confused:

[Madaz]

voodoo that OS motor should work fine in your lm2, you will need to get a flywheel (possibly a flywheel nut also), and engine mounts......

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVD24&P=M

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVD25&P=M

these are the correct engine mounts you will need.

Most flywheels should fit ok on that engine because they usually come with a brass collet to locate it on the shaft.

I think the flywheel nut/crankshaft extension off the original GS21 will fit on the OS crankshaft but im not 100% sure so hopefully someone else who knows more about this engine conversion can reply.

There are so many different engines to choose from it can be tough to decide which one to get. mostly all will fit with a little thinking and the right parts.

[Blaster]

Madaz - you and l0freq gave us great tips with those parma bodies. The price clearly worth the downsides...

voodookiller - the RG .21 is a great engine to our MF/MA. The RCX Version came with it from factory. I converted mine to use it and it makes wheelies on 1st and 2nd gears. :rolleyes:

You can use this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXU246&P=V) flywheel with it. I just recommend to change the GS21 manifold to this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCJW3&P=Z) manifold as the OS pullstart will touch the stock manifold (OS is on the left, looking the engine from the rear. Kyosho GS 21 is on the right). You can use the stock one but the cord and your fingers mightl touch it even while it is hot... Have fun! :D

[l0freq]

madaz - u gotta post up the pic of me and lee's twin jump!!! :D

[Madaz]

landmax double jump...

[belgravekm]

does anyone own and run this system on any of their engines?would this shaft start system by ofna work on a gs-21r from the landmax 1 or a nova rossi 8\s start.i,m very intrested in this system ,so much so that i would buy a force engine that could surely accomodate.
thankx
http://www.ofna.com/

[uDi_MP75]

madaz - yes yes, something like that is what i want to do.
not sure if i mentioned it, but I bought a used K2 a little while back now, and now i have two mp7.5's - but yeah, i want to go rallygame with the second car.

But i'm not sure what i need to buy. I like the ofna GTP's mclaren body, will that work - and is that the body this guy has used?
http://www.kyoshofrance.com/kweb/voituresdechampions/cahier/cahier.html

and I figure the rest of what i need (to do a proper job) is some onroad wheels/tyres, a foam bumper and mount, and some suitable body mounts.

What could I use, does anyone have any good reccomendations for what i could use?

and then finally - smaller shocks/shocktowers (i could work that out myself) and then do something about the gearing.

so - body, body mounts, bumper, mount for bumper, wheels, tyres, shocks, shocktowers, and gears. did i miss anything?

thanks

if it doenst cost a stash to do it, this project might become reality :)

[uDi_MP75]

Just looking at the ofna GTP one, it looks pretty gay (at least compared to that one in the link i showed) so I don't think they are the same.

Can anyone tell me what that guys one is? I really like it, if I can find a nice sweet RG body (I.E HIS :D ) then i'll have all the motivation to go all the way with it - because looks is the whole reason I want to do it, so I can have a nice street car.

[BOOCAKE]

looks like the ofna mclaren body to me (and i haven't seen anybody else make one)

i wouldn't worry about all that stuff, figure out how to mount the body (LM2 mounts would be the easy way i think), throw a set of proline road rages (or similar) on an extra set of rims, limit the shock travel a bit (fuel tubing), gear it up a little and have some fun

[uDi_MP75]

yeah im not sure, might just say stuff it, sell off the second kit and concentrate on racing the other. its on ebay now, so if it ends up at a reasonably healthy price, its gone. Can't afford to keep two kits going i dont think.

[Blaster]

Agree with boocake - this seems to be a ofna body. However Bergonzoni (http://www.bergonzoni.it/prodotti/1a8/carrozzerie/body_eng.htm) makes the McLaren and other 1/8 bodies too. Just dunno if their price is more reasonable than the Towr/Kyosho ($77.00 apiece).

I was trying to set a IFW-013 on my LM1 but the distance between the center dif and front diff doesn't allow it. Anybody nows if it is possibe to place a universal shaft on LM1 with some changes?

Another issue: I bought the optional (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXRM77&P=0) shocks to the LM1. However the front ones reach the end of travel ( if I compress the car against the ground ) but the car chassis stops almost 1cm (+/- 1/2 inch) above the ground. As I am bashing it on dirty pavement the car chassis is now is around 3cm (1 1/2 inch) above the ground while the shocks are not compressed. It means that the front and rear arms are as low as the drivecups allows...

I am using blue (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXT924&P=0) springs (same as K2) on it . Any clue of how to change this issue - i don't like the idea of cut the shock shafts... :confused:

Please take a look on pic attached.

[BOOCAKE]

i think the bergy mclaren and celica bodies are the exact same as the ofna

there is/was an optional carbon fiber front shock tower (GTW-8) made just for the LM1 which was taller to prevent that problem...you might be able to find one, or you could make a similar one out of aluminum...gpm and fibrelyte also make front shock towers, but i think they are probably just copies of the stock one, geometry-wise

not sure about the center universals, but i did recently see an LM1 on ebay with center unis, so it definitely can be done...they were probably the ones from the front of the MP-5 (IFW-12)...is the IFW-13 too long or too short?

[Blaster]

Boocake - thanks for your answers. I wish I had that much knowleadge about rc (jealous...) :rolleyes:

The IFW-13 is around 5mm longer than the dogbone+drivecup of original kit. And there are no hole on original chassis that allows me to change the fixing position of front support of central diff. If I do it I will be forced to remove the IFW-13 that I already instaled on rear diff.

As for the GTW-8 any clue of where I can find it? None was available on e-bay. :o The problem of doing one in aluminum is that I need a "original" one to take all measures... :( The front diff of LM1 seems to be wider than the one of LM2 ( I already tried K2 shock towers but they are now as wide as the LM1 original support).

1) Do you have any idea if these (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAWC0&P=0) will fit a LM1??
21) Any idea if THIS MP-5 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV186&P=0) fits the LM1??
3) What about this one? (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV272&P=0)
4) Any idea if the USA-1 shock towers (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV179&P=0) will fit and solve the problem? Was this truck based on any kyosho car/buggy??

[BOOCAKE]

very welcome, i am jealous of your toys...hehe

that IFW-12 might fit up front, i have been meaning to buy one and find out for sure for a long time now...your LM1 is single speed right? (the two speed makes the center longer)

the GTW-8 is very hard to find...i think jeroen got one from his local shop in holland, but tower has them listed as discontinued for a long time now...i don't think it would be too hard to "fake" one though, just move the shock mounting points up and in a few mm to compensate for the longer shocks...

1. nope, the 7.5/LM2 bulkheads are definitely too skinny compared to the inferno/LM1 bulkheads
2. haven't tried it but i doubt it, MP-5 also has different (and narrower) bulkheads too
3. those are the standard inferno towers, the front one is the same one you have now and the rear one has the same geometry as the (plastic) one you have now, but has no body mounts etc
4. the USA-1 was based off the burns buggy (predecessor to the inferno) and i have seen people use the inferno shock towers on the burns, so they will probably fit, but the USA-1 had 8 short shocks so using those towers probably won't do what you want as far as mounting the longer shocks...

if we could get jeroen or someone to trace the GTW-8 to make a template on paper, would you be able to make an aluminum version of it? i would be interested in a couple (and i think a few other people would too)

[Blaster]

hehehe - well I think we then shall meet. You share knowleadge and I share the toys! :D

My LM1 is a single speed with original gearing. Just changed the stock engine for Kyosho GS-21 and the stock pipe for a rear exaust (plastic one).

Well, definitelly you know about those cars! The USA-1 could be the solution but as you well said, doesn't worth a try. I think that the crazy (now also a top K2 racer) Dutch would be able to copy/measure the GTW-8. With that on hands I could make a "clone", either on 7075 alu or maybe in titanium (this is something I really wanna try). I already made some other parts and now I am developing thinner ones (2-2.5mm) to be used in place of originals (3mm) on my K2 to save weight. I will let you know how they perform... Again, I could not find the GTW-8 anywere on the web. Do you use stock shocks on your LM1?

Jeroen, where are you mate? Do you have the GTW-8 there? Would you please copy it and measure it to us? :rolleyes:

[jeroen]

I'm here

Madaz,those are some very nice action pics!

I'm 1 of the lucky few who has the orginal carbon front shocktower(too bad I had too buy the fibrelyte 1 in the rear,as the carbon color isn't the same)

I could scan it,or draw it.
Just tell me how you like it.

I will make a nice new LM vid this month,with some nice drifting in it.

[VoodooKiller]

:confused: :confused:

Alright, this is for anyone who can help me.
First off, thanks,
Second, I brought the O.S. Max .21 RG sport engine. I ordered the mounts, which are on the way, and I have also purchased the bump box. Now I bought a ofna flywheel and clutch today to finish setting up the engine. Here is where I have run into a problem and need help. First the flywheel was to small so I would have not been able to use the bumb box on it anyways. The next problem is that the clutch nut wouldn't even screw down close to where I needed it to go. I've been told I can fix that by putting a lot of spacers behind the cone shapped piece (would be 10-20 spacers)(please tell me if this is true????? :confused: , they also said I could cut the threded piece on the engine, and I am not confident in my skills to do that, and I have no tools right now). So as of now I am looking for a new flywheel, and I need to find one that works for sure, I am getting really tired of ordering and returning (long story). Would this flywheel work here (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXU247&P=7) ? If not, which one, somebody has to know? :( . And if anyone thinks i'm missing something please let me know.


::Edit:: I just looked and saw that Blaster said I could use this flywheel here (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXU246&P=V) alright I am going ahead and get it ordered. But I think there is still the problem of the clutch nut not going down far enough so someone please help me with that.

::Edit2:: Does the MP5 flywheel that Blaster suggested that I should use, is it big enough to work with a bump box?

As always, thanks for the help.

Evan

[Blaster]

Ok folks. Great to know that this thread is one of fast movings...

Jeroen - if you cand put it over a piece of paper and draw it, that would be a start. Another option is if your friend that makes MF parts copy it and you/him send us the pieces. We'll pay for it... :rolleyes:

Boocake - let's see what Jeroen comes up with. Do you use stock shocks on your LM1? 1 or 2 speed? What engine? I found these (http://www.kyosho.co.jp/main-e.html) surfing on Kyosho JP page. Couldn't see the difference between GTW20V and GTW20. Any clue?

Vodookiller - I am using this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVD48&P=Z) flywheel on my LM2. And my starter box is this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCLD8&P=0) OFNA. No problem on start my car with that flywheel with my starter box. By the way, the tower list this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVD26) as a "Possible Substitute" for the flywheel I use - this is a 2 shoe one.

I guess that the flywheel that you (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXU247&P=7) suggested on your last post might fit better an OS engines than the one I suggested on my post placed on 04/04. The one you mentioned is shown as appropriate for OS RG, so....

As a additional info, I'll poste a pic of my engine with the clutch. Besides mine is a VZ-B it has same mounting as the RG (I have it also). The clutch nut fits perfectly. If used on a 2 shoe clutch it won't interfere.

Hope it helps. :)

[Blaster]

Vodookiller - here are the pics of my VZ-B and RG. For exemplification I assempled a Kyosho flywheel kit cat # 39523 on my RG just to show you how it fits fine with a clutch nut on it.

Guys - hope you don't mind with so many pics....

[Blaster]

Another one...

[Blaster]

well, I don't live from taking pictures, as you can see...

[Blaster]

Now without the clutch bell and clutch itself...

[VoodooKiller]

Alright, thanks for that. Now I am wondering if I should send the engine back that i have and get the one with the pilot-shaft, because the sport version of the RG that I have dosn't have the pilot shaft build on. Your opinion?


Thanks

[Blaster]

Vodookiller - I don't think you should return your RG engine. If you mount your flywheel on it, the flywheel nut and then the clutch, the shimmy, the bearing(s) and the clutch bell and everything fits fine.... no need to change the engine.

I am not the expert here, most of the guys have more knowleadge about rc than me. I wouldn't change the engine prior to try to assembly it properly. Please keep in mind that you should cut the thread in excess on your engine shaft. OS makes them bigger exactly thinking that some people need it longer and some need it shorter. Easier to cut the shaft than weld a part and truer in.... ;) Assembly everything then measure how much is in excess. Then remove all the parts and cuth the shaft - preferably with a dremel cuting tool... :o

Any pics of your engine assembled with flywheel, clutch, clutch bell, etc?

[jeroen]

Vodoo

See the pics of mine setup: http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135712&page=36&pp=25

Its for a 2 speed pilot shaft,but will work the soem with a single speed pilot shaf this 1 I mean:http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXU760&P=7
Or this 1 when using a 3 piece clutch setup: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXU736&P=7

[VoodooKiller]

I don't have any pics of flywheel with clutch bell because all that I have right now is the old one. Here are some pics of my car, old engine with seized piston, and the new engine.

[VoodooKiller]

Damaged Engine

[VoodooKiller]

New Engine :D , when I ever get it to work...

[Blaster]

vodookiller - when you are going to get the new flywheel? :confused:

What happened to your GS21?? Where is the air filter? Does that yellow wheel belongs to a.... buggy??? :rolleyes:






Hm.... do you play squosh? :)

[VoodooKiller]

Squosh? huh?
I'm going to get the new flywheel soon, I just have to talk with the hobbie shop guy. But I still can't run the car soon, because towerhobbies (of all places) is out of kyosho mounting spacers, and won't get any for a few more weeks.

The air filter is in the box that the car came it, I was just to lazy to go get it out. The yellow wheel is a buggy wheel, but I am putting it on the Landmax 2 for heavy duty off-road and jumping :D .
I'm not exactly sure what happened to the engine. I accidently ran it without the filter, got a decent ammount of dirt in it. I cleaned it out and got it running again, it was working probalby about at 90% at this point. A few days later I take the car out for a drive, start the engine give it a little gas, it dies, start it up again, give it a little more gas then !!!NOTHING!!!. I couldn't even pull the pull start. I took it appart, metal shaving everywhere, connecting rod shattered, and the piston was frozen in place.


::Edit:: P.S. Those slicks on the car were actually the origional rally tred pattern tires that came with the car. :D

[Blaster]

Hehe.... :o my mistake. Should have said Squash racket...

Well, sand is only good to an engine if you wanna polish it, LOL

Man, you really drives hard your LM, huh? Good!!! You should join Madaz and l0freq, lol. I wanna achieve this level of bashing very soon... :D

[l0freq]

hey guys. tech question

is this (http://acehardwarehobbies.com/2.2/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=4129) the same as this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBZP1&P=7)? the ofna 19mm to 17mm hex adaptors.

http://www2.gpmd.com/image/o/ofnc3654.jpg

i found the link to the ones on tower and they dont seem to say (on tower) if they are Ofna part#86000. however they look like it?

are our LM1's shafts 8mm? what size is it referring to here?

just makes it easier for me to order from tower as im buying a bunch of other stuff from them too and im thinking of throwing these on as well so i can fit some basher rims onto the LM to destroy, ripping up LM kyosho original tyres is very very expensive...

ps: havent had a chance to read all the above/load the pics... will do so when my 56k dialup stops exploding... hehe

nice to see a new basher!!!

[Blaster]

vodookiller - I was reading my last post. Please apologize for my comments regarding the dirty on your engine. :o

l0freq - I think these are the same, except for the 2 philips screws on Ace's pic. How I figured that out? The tech specs are both about hex to be used on 19mm cars to allow the usage of 17mm wheels. Are you planing something similar to this?(post #96) (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135712&page=4&pp=25). :rolleyes:

Did you watched the World Rally Championship race that happened there? :D

[jeroen]

I made a movie this weekend.

Its called landmax the movie (http://www.kyosho.nl/landmaxthemovie.wmv) :D

Hope you guys like it.

[l0freq]

thanks blaster - yeah thinking of switching to some wider rims and cheap rubber, better than the narrow LM wheels, might look better with my parma lumina body (at the moment the wheels are stuck inset and looks a bit gay when driving) + cost factor also

and WRC, yes! i went on final day 3, down south to raglan coast, didnt get to see much but what i saw was good! 1st pass thru Whaanga Coast, where everyone ****** up - i was at the end of stage, stage control where all the interviews were happening - basically could just go and touch the cars. was great! pics and movies here:

http://www.defy.net.nz/lofreq/pics/Car%20Stuff/Events/WRC%202004

get the vids (use divX 5.1.1) of Duval at stage control, this is where he rocks up on 3 wheels trying to be a bulldozer! haheha

[SixVi6-Camaro]

l0freq .. I don't think those hubs from tower will work. the problem is the cross pin location on the hex part of the hub. if you look at the pic you posted vs the pic from ace the cross pin hole is much closer to the the edge of the hub. the 19mm hexes have the pin a lot closer to the bearing carrier than on the 17mm cars.

[Blaster]

SixV6 - tks for share your knowleadge, mate.

l0freq - better consider SixV6 advice's. :o He placed posts about those hubs before. The rally pics are great, man. I wish I were there. Too close to the cars... By the way, I though that SARS was a kind of a flu, not beer! :D

Jeroen - nice vid. Great soundtrack! Better Jorge Lucas and Spielberg watch out! :p Which "red" wheels were these? ;)

[Blaster]

These are pics of my new Lm2 body, a Toyota Corolla Rally car. The new body is a homage to Boocake (and his Lexan addiction) and l0freq (for his great NZ rally pics). :D To those who might be interested my LHS is selling this body for US$45.00 here in Brazil. If someone wants one please let me know or contact (in english) them robson@hobbysonmodels.com (Robson is the manager). I though the price was very cheap, to a Kyosho... :rolleyes:

Vodookiller - have you assembled your RG engine already?

SixV6 - What engine are you using on your LM now?

Guys - How you managed to have enough suspension travel with a reduced ride height and longer than standard shocks on your LM 2? I am already using the optional shock tower. However as the car is too close to the ground (1cm < ) the shocks travel just few milimiters forcing me to use hard springs and making suspension way to hard (front end jump on bumps).

Now, the pics...

[Blaster]

From rear....

[Blaster]

Upper view...

[SixVi6-Camaro]

Very cool looking body. what shocks are you running? I'm running front MP shocks on mine with stock shock towers. I have no problems with the shocks being too long.

I'm running an OPS .21 on road engine right now with a 4 shoe ofna clutch but I switch engines a lot... lol. I also run an OPS .21 off road buggy engine and I've even droped in the RB S5 from my JT hybrid maxx into the LM2. that RB S5 will probably be my next engine for the LM2. brutal low end and good top end.

[l0freq]

low end on LMs for life!!!
theres nothing like constant loss of traction :D :D :D

ok so i'll give up on those hub things... and just buy the proper ofna converters from somewhere else

mint corolla Blaster man! looking at the rear shots it might almost pass for an EK civic. might consider getting one and with a bit of sticker trickery make it into a typeR. or something ;)

[SixVi6-Camaro]

another option is to just pick up those Ofna hubs and redrill the cross pin holes using a drill press on another side of the Hex. Then pick up some set screws that will fit in the LM's axles to hold the cross pin in. I did this to a set of Kyosho hubs and its held up and worked fine for me.

Low end is for sure soo much fun on the LM's. I'm going to put the OPS buggy engine back in soon to get the low end snap back. I had the on road engine in to beat up on some touring cars. hehe..

[Madaz]

Very nice rally corolla shell Blaster ;) i dont see how you can set up the front shocks properly if they are too long (except for a taller shock tower but you have tried that) Could you get some shorter bottom mount/eye things? but this would only shorten the shocks slightly.

voodoo, have you got the new flywheel yet? I have sympathy for you having to wait for parts :( especially when you have a brand new engine sitting there but cant use it yet.
I expect when u get your OS motor broken in those tyres will blowout quite soon!

Anyone who doesnt have a throttle return spring should seriously consider fitting one to their car....My lm1 did a runaway on full throttle when one of the AA batteries dislodged itself from the batt holder. It hit a few curbs hard then i finnally caught up with it and cut the motor.
Damage is.... a bent chassis, bent my homemade bumper, bent front steering bulkhead, even the centre diff bulkhead is bent because the homemade chassis brace is bolted to the both bulkheads. ive put the motor back into my inferno now until i strip down the lm and bend all the bent bits back to straight again :o :o

lorfeq have u tried the wheel hexs off your singyh on the lm axles? if you could cross drill them it might be cheaper to get $4 singyh parts to modify (ill drill them for you) :p

[Blaster]

l0freq - tks. Sure the pics doesn't make justice to the body. For the price it worth a try. Funny you liked the S5 engine with lots of low end. Wonder why. LOL :rolleyes:

SixVi6 - tks. I would like to try the ofna 4 shoes. Are your OPSs pilot shaft? I am using this optional (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBXD1&P=0) shock tower. And the IFW140 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCXY0&P=ML) are the shocks used in the front. The problem is that I set the car to ride too low. Sorry but do you have pics of these OFNA hubs you reworked? :(

Madaz - tks. By the way, what shock tower/shocks you are using on your low heigh bodies??? :confused: Man, sad to know you bent all those parts. I will definitelly try to get a return spring on my car... :eek:

[SixVi6-Camaro]

hmmm... those shocks are from the K3 and should work fine unless kyosho changed the length of the shock body on their K3. Yes my OPS's are pilot shafts in fact al of my .21's are pilot shafts. No pics of thsoe hubs I sold them off a little while ago when I picked up the Ofna hub adapters from Ace hobbies. I'd go with Madaz's idea. Buy some 17mm hubs for the synth and redrill them on another side of the hex.

[jeroen]

Blaster

That new body of yours is looking very nice,great job done mate.
Now we know where too sent our bodies for the great finish.

Madaz

Said too hear you had a runaway,which caused some nasty damage.

I had too run the cup/drive shaft on 1 side up front :(

[Madaz]

i need some help on how to dye some wheels i got flouro green inferno wheels and spoiler and i wanna make them grey or black. anyone who has tried this please advise what kind of dye and how long to boil them for.???

My lm does still drive but it handles very badly ill fix it easily i have spare parts from a lm i bought for spares.
jeroen the front driveshafts have a hard life but i am surprised your universal broke. was it from a crash or just wear and tear??

[hooppjs]

G'day all. I'm a Landmax nutcase and I want to share my enthusiasm with you all.
I am new to this forum and found it searching the net looking for stuff on the LM. Sorry if I offend anyone posting LM1 gear on a LM2 forum, but it looks like the LM1 forum is dead??? Well, I'm not and nor are my LM1's.
I made a site not long ago and am SLOWLY updating it. Please have a look at:

http://www.landmax.bigpondhosting.com/

[Madaz]

welcome hooppjs, Cool site, Great Cars :) :) im glad youve joined the no1 landmax forum you obviously know alot about landmax's :p

Dont worry this is a landmax 1 or 2 forum, they simply split the threads into v1 and v2 when they get too long, I think this thread is about due to have a part3.

[jeroen]

Madaz

It just broke wear and tear(too much HP I think)

Hooppjs

Great too see you found your way too the ultimate LM forum,and just like Madaz said its for LM 1 and 2
I often check out your website for any updates,I like the design of your site alot.

[hooppjs]

Thanks for the welcome Landmax fans. I will be making the site 10mb soon for more stuff. We now have cable internet and it is a joy compared to dial up???? I am going to attempt to load a pic too on this site.
Thanks again.
Peter :)

[Blaster]

SixVi6 - I solved the susp problem. Changed the oil and the springs. So far, so good! :D

Madaz - I have painted the original white wheels of my LM2 in gold (to looks like the real rally car) and used the Testors "Spray Enamel" 1244 Metalic Gold. It worked fine for me. :rolleyes: It has a good adhesion to the plastic and great finish.

hooppjs - Nice to have you in this forum also. You have a very cool website! :D Nice cars. By the way, I liked your Corolla body. ;)

Jeroen - hope you get the new parts to your LM untill the end of the week. :D

[hooppjs]

A lone 2 speed Landmax on the unused OLD Glebe Island Bridge, Sydney Australia.
The house at the end is the bridge control, and it used to spin in the middle to let big boats go through. The cables on the right are the new mighty ANZAC bridge. Landmax power rules the lower Bridge. ;)

[hooppjs]

Bit of Landmax madness. :)
Can I post more photos or is this frowned on? I'd like to do some sequence shots? Because I'm a new member, can I only post 1 at a time?
Thanx
Peter

[Blaster]

hooppjs - pics, specially the action ones, are always welcome. To add more than one just click on "Post Reply" button as many times as you need to finish to upload all pics.

[jeroen]

Nice action pics,but where are those nice bodies?
Thanks for explaining the hole bridge thing on the photo.

If you can make some vids,I'd love too put them on my site for you.
Just let me know if you are intrested.

Blaster I'm looking forward too the universal swingshaft ;)
Thanks mate!

[hooppjs]

Some photos, I hope they turn out ok. I try not to run them with the shells as they are too beautiful and new. I fear I will go sick and crash them. Anyway, the first is the GTR getting a safety foot bump start...

[hooppjs]

Volvo preparing...

[hooppjs]

Just a power slide, some spray, no body shell.

[hooppjs]

Approaching at gs21 top speed, via the 2 speed, pre-didily preparin' for Landmax flip.

[hooppjs]

Mad Max.

[french-fry]

In the immortal words of Dave Chappel "I'm back bitch!" (for those of you who don't get comedy central, well, you're missing out)

Holy crap, its been way too long since i posted up here. Stupid college and teaching me usefull things when all i really want to do is play with cars!

Love the pics and I'm glad somebody finally found a solution to the body-cost conundrum.

So i'm finally ready to get my LM running again, and I was about to just spend $40 bucks or so on a new piston and sleeve, but then i started looking at whole new engines and i found a pretty good deal on an ofna hyper .21. Now here's my problem, the good deal is for an SG shaft (the one with the extra unthreaded part right?) and supposedly you can't run a two speed with an SG shaft engine, however I know some people were trying to get that to work and I was wondering how that turned out. How much extra did you end up spending, beyond the engine? I know, at the very least, I'm gonna need the engine mounts. Is that it? Am i gonna need a new fly-wheel and clutch assembly, cuz it seems like, with the 2 speed set-up that, in fact, an SG shaft engine would be ideal, all you'd need is a clutch nut and then everything would be fine? Probably some spacers right? So yeah any answers would be helpful.

Alright! It's good to be back. :D
-Alex

[edit] -i like Jeroen's solution back on page 36, just cut off the SG shaft, any thoughts?

[edit] -also, is the ofna hyper .21 better than an OS RG-x?

[jeroen]

French fry good too see you found your way back bitch :D

The ofna hyper 8 port(header included+++) is a nice 1 for the LM.
Like you said your self you still need some engine mounts a different flywheel and it will be better too use a 3 piece clutch setup with all that power and a 2 speed.

I think the O.S RG is easier too tune and slightly better quality,but the Ofna hyper has more power/speed.
I went with the Ofna hyper cause I only read great reviews about it.

I aplied the SG shaft cutting solution too both my LM=2 speed and MF=3 speed,but uses the some 2 speed pilot shaft as the LM 2 speed.
Its the cheapest and best way too do it(less spacers and adjustments too be used)

[Blaster]

french-fry - welcome back!

As Jeroen well said, a 3 shoe clutch setup and a new flywheel will be very welcome. Besides that and new engine mounts all you will need is this OFNA (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXNT03&P=0) kit or something similar.

Don't forget to post pics! :D