HB Lightning RR Forum v2.0

[romulus]

k_bojar,
Not bad.... 4th out of 9..:D I bet that next time you will be closer to slammin' Sam

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by romulus
k_bojar,
Not bad.... 4th out of 9..:D I bet that next time you will be closer to slammin' Sam

lol :) I actually out quailified him :D But a flame out cost me almost 2 minutes :mad::mad: Then some typically bad marshalling cost me another lap

In order to "catch" him I'll probably need to update my motor...He did the NASCAR bump-draft to me on the front straight Sunday...Came up, bumped my ass and drove right on by :) But it was fun - good things he's a friend ;):D

[Juice]

Good deal on the race!! The lightning Pro's are no joke, it seems:D

Whats the deal with the Ofna's??? Did they break on previous races, and what all broke on them!!:mad:

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Juice
Good deal on the race!! The lightning Pro's are no joke, it seems:D

Whats the deal with the Ofna's??? Did they break on previous races, and what all broke on them!!:mad:

To tell you the truth, I'm not really sure what was up with those guys...I know a couple of guys were pissed that we were running a 10 minute main and needed to find someone to re-fuel them...but other than that - I dunno...A couple looked like the OFNA was his first car - real fast, no control :)

[blemaxx]

will piggyback reservoirs fit on stock pro shocks?

[stingray]

I don't understand how a company like this can stay in business when their web site and advertising is so weak. You would have to assume that a majority of their business would come from on-line visitors and magazines....not by word of mouth. At their site they give no dimensions on their buggies and trucks. They don't tell you what kind of engine it is...all it says is .21 engine. They are just VERY vague in all of their specs....if you call them specs. I understand that Hot Bodies and HPI are owned by the same parent company, but look at the differences between the two web sites(HPI and HB). It's like night and day. It seems that the Lightning has proven itself at the track, but why don't these guys advertise the excellent product they have? You would think that they would be willing to shell out a small amount of cash to let the public know what they really have. Just my 2 cents......

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by HBLigHtnIngRR
Thanks for the input guys. I know it's kinda slow, but I don't want a $100 servo. I don't wanna spend that much, plus, I can't really afford a really expensive servo (I'm 16). But how is that servo holding up, NitoIgniter? How long have you had it? Well, thanks for the info,
Steve
Also, where did you get that engine NitoIgniter? I really like the paint scheme!! On the Ofna web site, they are shown just being plain aluminum.

I'm not saying get the $100 servo :) I would suggest looking into something that's a "slight" step up in price...I know you can find Hitec Servos for the mid-$60 to low $70 - which should set you back that much more...Sometimes its better to spend a little more in the beginning than having to replace it and, maybe, much more a little while down the road :)

The other thing with the speed is that the steering may seem sluggish after a little bit of running - but this is only a suggestion :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by stingray
....I understand that Hot Bodies and HPI are owned by the same parent company, but look at the differences between the two web sites(HPI and HB). It's like night and day...

Actually HPI and Hot Bodies ARE NOT owned by the same parent company. According to people at HPI they are separate and unrelated companies. Hot Bodies is run thru a hobby shop called Ricky's R/C (hense why when you call HB you get Ricky ;))

They do however have a very nice working relationship :) But for all the information I've been able to obtain, I have yet to see anything referring that they are 'sisters'

[stingray]

http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/Lightning.htm

These people seem to think that these companies are "sisters"

[stingray]

The Hot Bodies Lightning RTR Nitro Buggy is probably the BEST DEAL that you will find in the 1/8th scale nitro powered RC market! This is not a cheap, poorly made copy of another nitro buggy. The Lightning RR RTR is a very high quality, shaft drive, 4WD, big block .21 powered, 1/8th scale nitro buggy. Hot Bodies is not new to the RC world. Since 1994, Hot Bodies has been making some of the finest RC bodies, parts, and accessories. Recently, Hot Bodies has advanced into the business of producing nitro RC vehicles around. Have you ever noticed why Hot Bodies seems to make so many aftermarket parts for HPI vehicles? Have you ever noticed that HPI and Hot Bodies seem to have an especially close business relationship? Want a hint... HPI and Hot Bodies are owned and run by the same parent company! The same leadership that directs the high quality that HPI has become famous for, is also overseeing the high quality production of Hot Bodies products. You can be sure that the Lightning RR is a well designed and made nitro buggy!

Have you ever noticed why Hot Bodies seems to make so many aftermarket parts for HPI vehicles? Have you ever noticed that HPI and Hot Bodies seem to have an especially close business relationship? Want a hint... HPI and Hot Bodies are owned and run by the same parent company!

[Casey]

The Lightning as well as other Hot Bodies products are on the HPI Japan website. Click on "Hot Bodies" on the left side of the screen. http://www.hpiracing.co.jp

Here's the Lightning page.... http://www.hpiracing.co.jp/contents/hotbodies/lightningrr/index.html

I've heard that the Lightning is also known overseas as the "CY Sacker". Here's a link to a pic. Everything seems identical except no engine and the aluminum is blue.

http://www.ozshops.com/cgi-bin/RT_Resp.cgi?1.IL&mt=na&re=h&nt=dynamic&ta=cy887k_detail::cy,d:,p:,s:,i:cy887k.jpg,t:&ip={mt=da&it=n&ap=radio&co=prdetail&us=1046786738-28&kn=pr.pr-land-203-7-255-001&**


I've done searches and can't find any other info on the "Sacker" buggy.

[k_bojar]

Trust me, I understand what you are saying...But I do know for a FACT when the original Hot Bodies was bought from the brothers in New Jersey - it was bought by a local California Hobby Shop

According to Frank at HPI - HPI Japan only imports the car for HB. Kind of along the same lines as when Associated imported Yokomo in the early 90's. They arent owned by the same company, just had a good working relationship

[Casey]

I didn't think the Lightning was an HPI product. There is no way this buggy is made by HPI. I've had two HPI trucks, and the Lightning is simply a MUCH higher quality vehicle. I would like to find out more about the "Sacker Pro" buggy, though. I can't find a manufacturer's website. I did find that the Sacker is available in several versions:

1/8 Sacker 4wd Buggy Assembled With Engine AUS$ 622.40

1/8 Sacker RTR 4wd Buggy Radio Included AUS$ 765.10

1/8 Sacker KIT 4wd Buggy w/o Engine And Radio AUS$ 490.85

1/8 Sacker Assembled With Engine AUS$ 760.30

1/8 Sacker RTR 4wd PRO Buggy Radio Included AUS$ 902.70

1/8 Sacker Pro Kit w/o Engine And Radio AUS$ 627.45


http://www.ozshops.com/cgi-bin/RT_Resp.cgi?1.IL&mt=na&re=h&nt=dynamic&ta=pr.pr-land-203-7-255-001&ip={mt=da&it=n&co=ENTRYPRLAND&ap=radio&fu=se_l&us=1051708996-6&kn=pr-land&**

[romulus]

I don't see why we jumped into the discussion whether or not HB is owned by HPI...etc....etc.... The important thing that I see is that HB has close relationship with HPI in which sometimes I believe that they share drawings to do their aftermaket parts. Have you noticed that any HB aftermarket part for HPI cars fits really well?..... Just as an observation....
Regardless...HB is doing a good job in having low cost products with high quality. I got a spare set of 4 arms for just $10. That is cheap! :) Also I believe that HB is not designing kits from scratch like HPI, Tamiya, Kyosho, Associated, Losi, etc.. They are just importing kits from another manufacturer overseas. Just like OFNA... The Hyper 7 is made by Ho Bao and the MBX 9.5 and other MBX series is made by Hong Nor. Both are companies from Taiwan. The only thing that OFNA does is putting their name in the boxes and packaging. I have been at OFNA offices and they are just a big warehouse with no R & D department.....Well, maybe a small one since they are just starting to sponsor team drivers....but no design department..
Anyway, reagarless of what others or my self are saying, I just know that I made a good choice in getting a lightning Pro. Cheap, well made high quality parts.
Cheers lightning owners!!!:D

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by romulus
I don't see why we jumped into the discussion whether or not HB is owned by HPI...etc....etc.... The important thing that I see is that HB has close relationship with HPI in which sometimes I believe that they share drawings to do their aftermaket parts. Have you noticed that any HB aftermarket part for HPI cars fits really well?..... Just as an observation....
Regardless...HB is doing a good job in having low cost products with high quality. I got a spare set of 4 arms for just $10. That is cheap! :) Also I believe that HB is not designing kits from scratch like HPI, Tamiya, Kyosho, Associated, Losi, etc.. They are just importing kits from another manufacturer overseas. Just like OFNA... The Hyper 7 is made by Ho Bao and the MBX 9.5 and other MBX series is made by Hong Nor. Both are companies from Taiwan. The only thing that OFNA does is putting their name in the boxes and packaging. I have been at OFNA offices and they are just a big warehouse with no R & D department.....Well, maybe a small one since they are just starting to sponsor team drivers....but no design department..
Anyway, reagarless of what others or my self are saying, I just know that I made a good choice in getting a lightning Pro. Cheap, well made high quality parts.
Cheers lightning owners!!!:D

Well put, romulus :D I completely agree :) High quality and low price is a winner in my book any day :) :cool:

BTW, where did you get a set of 4 arms for the price?? I can just barely get 2 sets of 2 arms for that price at dealer cost?????

This buggy kicks ass - and combine that with the price and you got yourself a winner right out of the box...I think I've put about $500 into mine and that still wouldnt buy a Kanai I or II chassis kit only at dealer price :)

[romulus]

I got the arms at Pegasus hobbies in Montclair, CA. I went there after work since is close by. After checking on my receipt, one bag (comes one front and one rear arm) is $5.99 So I got two bags to make a full set. I also picked a rear wing mount for $5.99 as well. Not that bad, I just wanted to have some spare parts for raining days but so far I haven't broken any parts. I also wanted to pick another flywheel since the stock one is kind of rubbing againts the rear quad brake system that I put. But they only have for the two shoes clutch for $9.99. I fixed the problem by machining the flyweel a bit thinner about 1/32" more. I also found out that they are selling the replacement main chassis for $52...... But they double checked the price and it was actually $28. Someone put the wrong price... Now here is the DEAL!!! they also have the harder anodize version of the main chassis for $38 if I remeber correctly.... A really good deal!!! :D I think that the MP7.5 stock chasis is close to $100. I really wanted to get it but so far my stock chassis is holding pretty good. The sales person told me that he is still amazed that these parts are priced so low...similar to a 1/10 scale. Anyway, right now my .26 is out from my buggy:( I am in the process is sealing the fittings etc, etc. because I think that I have air leaks to the point that my engine revs goes high and then low.... and its really hard to fine tune it.:mad: I guess that I sould have gotten an Hyper .21 8 ports...oh well.... maybe later.....

[romulus]

I forgot to mention.... Like you k_bojar.... I put about $500 as well for the buggy.... Now about $250 more for the new .26 engine and a starter box. I was getting tired of pull starts... Now the starter box works great. It also I used it for car stand as well;) Oh by the way, I just saw that at Pegasus Hobbies started to sell the HPI roto starter.... I think is for $45??? (too bad that I just got the starter box) So, if you still use the stock engine and don't want to carry a starter box, here is good way to start your engine....

[blemaxx]

I need a new wing mount any one know of a place that has them in stock or a diffrent one that works on the pro.?

[blemaxx]

ok all I can find for screw kits is a2-70 but this place has a kit which they made from talking to HB so it should have all we need it comes with 260 screws. I am going to get one and see how it works out.http://www.rcscrewz.com/offroad.htm

[stingray]

What are the main differences between the RTR and the Pro? Besides the included radio with the RTR.

[Casey]

This is off of Hot Bodies' website. The Pro has:

powerful .21 racing engine with pullstart
Double-Decker front brakes
soft compound racing tires
3mm hard-anodized 7075-series aluminum chassis
6.7mm hex wheel adapter
3 shoe racing clutch
6061-series suspension holder (3 degree)
alumimum deluxe shock set
front & rear sway bar sets with dust-proof covers
front universal axles
center universal axles
4mm 7075-series aluminum shock towers
7075-series aluminum front & rear suspension holders
7075-series aluminum knuckle arms
hard shock shafts
front & rear chassis aluminum anti-bending rods
painted and trimmed body

http://www.hotbodiesonline.net/images/lightning/lpro_chasm.jpg

http://www.hotbodiesonline.net/images/lightning/lpro_bracem.jpg

http://www.hotbodiesonline.net/images/lightning/lrr_brakesm.jpg

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by stingray
What are the main differences between the RTR and the Pro? Besides the included radio with the RTR.

There are some other differences in addition to what Casey listed. Basically, if you have radio gear or plan on replace ALL the radio gear and maybe race it- get the Pro. If you just want something big and fun to play around with, get the RTR

Most places should be selling the Pro and the RTR for the same price (or very close in price) - I almost bought a RTR but then the Pro can out - and since I race - I waited and got the "better" buggy :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by romulus
I forgot to mention.... Like you k_bojar.... I put about $500 as well for the buggy.... Now about $250 more for the new .26 engine and a starter box. I was getting tired of pull starts... Now the starter box works great. It also I used it for car stand as well;) Oh by the way, I just saw that at Pegasus Hobbies started to sell the HPI roto starter.... I think is for $45??? (too bad that I just got the starter box) So, if you still use the stock engine and don't want to carry a starter box, here is good way to start your engine....

:) Its such a nice thing having such a good platform to work off of :) My totals included things like spares parts, new servos, some titantinum screws, some aluminum stand-offs, starter box. little things like that which added up after a while ;)

I'm waiting until next year to replace my motor - probably going with the whole OS V01B set-up (motor and matching pipe) with the O'Donnell cooling head

BTW - I'm using a starter box now - got tired of yanking the pull-start

[stingray]

Does the Lightning come with a Steel Spur and steel primary gears?

[hkgasmd]

hey guys,

I took my lightning pro out to a real track for the first time after breaking in the engine. I had some help tuning the engine from some of the guys there. It took quite a bit of adjusting to get it to run well. So far I'm not too impressed with the power of the engine though it improved a lot from proper tuning. Do you guys play with the midrange adjustment much? Also I let one of the guys who races (and wins) a kanai 2 play with it. He says the handling is way different than all the other buggies out there. He describes the handling as acting like a front wheel drive vehicle, which he claims is a good thing in some cases. It has less tendency to oversteer while on power that his buggies. He also describes the handling as very forgiving. What do you think of his opinions? Has anybody played with the suspension setting from stock apart from changing spring rates and shock oils? I think it is pretty easy to drive as it is. Anyways, just my thoughts.

[blemaxx]

Pegasus hobbies is great it's the only place I found to get parts and they had all I wanted in stock! Hope it comes soon need a wing

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by stingray
Does the Lightning come with a Steel Spur and steel primary gears?

Yes...its comes with Steel spur and primary - just like the higher end buggies :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by blemaxx
Pegasus hobbies is great it's the only place I found to get parts and they had all I wanted in stock! Hope it comes soon need a wing

You could try Pottbelly's R/C :) I know we have a ton of HB parts in stock - including wings (well, Kyosho wings) :)

Shoot slammin'sam an email (slairson@direcpc.com)

[romulus]

stingray,
The lightning comes with all steel gears for its drivetrain.

Blemaxx,
I am assuming that you got a replacement wing mount that you needed at Pegasus. Yeah, its a good place to get replacement parts :). As for a replacement wing, try the OFNA triple wing. I heard that is hard to break it. If you can't find one, other Ofna or Kyosho wing should do it since I think that it does not come with mounting holes.

[blemaxx]

you know I should have gave pottbellyus a call I got my pro from them but Ca. is closer to Co so shipping should be quicker! Man one of them needs to get online orders up so we could just click and buy. I got a mugen for now looks like it will fit but if not I can get others from the hobby shop in town.

[HBLigHtnIngRR]

Quote originally posted by stingray: I don't understand how a company like this can stay in business when their web site and advertising is so weak...You would think that they would be willing to shell out a small amount of cash to let the public know what they really have.

Mass advertising is exactly what we don't want! If they start advertising everywhere, the price of the buggy and its parts will skyrocket! (But they sometimes have one ad in RC Car Action) The buggy is nationally known now- Weaving its way through Forums like this one (you can't beat free advertising) and all kinds of stores (even a 2-employee hobby shop by my house)! That's why other buggies cost sooooo much- They pay out the wazoo for advertising.
Well, thanks for sharing opinions,
Steve

[HBLigHtnIngRR]

If anyone's still looking for wings- The GS Racing wings from General Silicones will work- It's a just a tiny bit loose, but you could probably cram some fuel tubing around the inside of the mounting holes. They sell for about $6.50. They also make wheels ($6.50/pair)- Pretty cheap and they are still holding up on my buggy after 2 rounds of serious bashing!
Always here to help,
Steve

[HBLighting PRO]

Originally posted by HBLigHtnIngRR
Quote originally posted by stingray:


I did see them advertise in radio controlled action magazine a couple of times!

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by HBLigHtnIngRR
If anyone's still looking for wings- The GS Racing wings from General Silicones will work- It's a just a tiny bit loose, but you could probably cram some fuel tubing around the inside of the mounting holes. They sell for about $6.50. They also make wheels ($6.50/pair)- Pretty cheap and they are still holding up on my buggy after 2 rounds of serious bashing!
Always here to help,
Steve

Actually the Kysoho wing works VERY well too - I put one on mine when I broke the kit wing. Its survived some pretty big crashes off jumps and other buggies landing on it during a race :)

As far as wheels, I'd go with OFNA's :) 3 pairs for like $19 bucks - cant beat that with a stick :)

[NitoIgniter]

I dropped my new hyper .21 8-port racing engine in my Lightning Pro this morning.

If anyone does this, you're going to need a locking spring ring for the crankshaft as the stock .21BB does not come with one and the shaft on the 8-port racing engine is a tiny bit longer and will leave you with slack if you don't put that locking ring in.

Also the stock pipe is a little bit small and you need to use the smaller, original gasket instead of the gasket that comes with the engine.

Also, don't confuse the 8-port racing engine with the normal .21 hyper 8-port as the racing version has 2.7 HP and the normal one has 2.4 HP. The racing engine is also closer to an RB in design.

[stingray]

Is this engine the same engine that comes in the Savage? And if it is, can it be modded to accept the Roto-Start, or would the shock tower be in the way? Thanks.....

[NewToNitro]

Ok guys i cant decide if i should go against what all the local racers are telling me and get a HB Lightning or save another 200 and get a Hyper PBS. I see that tower is starting to carry parts for the lightning now :)

[romulus]

stingray,
the Lightning engine is the same as the Savage. So you can use the roto start system. I did checked for clearance by using a long screw driver to see if there are any interference. So far none. The only thing that it concerns me is that the roto start uses only one stick pack. I am not sure if that is enough power to turn a new engine. But, I guess that is enough..... otherwise they would have use two stick pack.

[windellmc]

I am hoping you guys can tell me what the deal is with the rear diff failures in the HB car? Some seem to have problems while others don't. I know a couple of guys that want to race 1/8 but money is an issue. I can't recommend this car over a Hyper 7 if the diff gears won't hold up to a race engine. Will Kyosho diffs fit the HB car? Can the rear diff be setup to survive an engine like an RB S7 or OS V01b?

[cbr74]

The diff gasket throws the internal mesh off. I built my diffs without the gaskets and they haven't leaked and haven't failed.
*knock on wood*

They're holding up to a 7 port Picco XP .21 with no problems.

The Kyosho gears do fit.

I don't know if it matters, but when I built my diffs I used some 3X12 socket head flat machine screws instead of the self tapping phillips screws that come stock.

[stingray]

Absolutely nobody has the Lightning in stock. I've checked everywhere....sucks.:(

[cbr74]

How about here: Savage21.com (http://www.hpisavage21.com/lightning_pro.htm) ?

[stingray]

Their site says that they have them in stock, but I contacted them and they don't have em.

[blemaxx]

what proline bodie fits best on the lightning?

[cbr74]

the Crowd Pleaser for the MP 7.5

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by windellmc
I am hoping you guys can tell me what the deal is with the rear diff failures in the HB car? Some seem to have problems while others don't. I know a couple of guys that want to race 1/8 but money is an issue. I can't recommend this car over a Hyper 7 if the diff gears won't hold up to a race engine. Will Kyosho diffs fit the HB car? Can the rear diff be setup to survive an engine like an RB S7 or OS V01b?

I also think the rear diff issues is a kinda "hit-n-miss" thing :) I havent had ONE ounce of problems **knock on wood** and my diffs have been taken apart and rebuilt and filled with silicone diff oil.

As cbr said, the kyosho gears will fit the HB buggy. and yes the diffs/gears/plastic will survive a hotter racing motor

[Ski]

Stingray,You can buy HB,s @ www.hobbystop.com about 350.00

[blemaxx]

Got 150.00 tyo spend on a new engine what should I go with? Or should I save more and then shop?

[cbr74]

$140 will score you an 8 port Hyper, it'll be a noticeable improvement over stock.

[blemaxx]

CBR74 do they make 2 diff ones? I found this one http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2.2/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3913
But i saw a post about a racing one

[cbr74]

Ofna markets an 8 port race version with a larger crankshaft but it's non-pullstart (if that matters to you) and is a little above your stated budget.
NitroHouse (http://www.nitrohouse.com/ofna_hyper_21.htm)

Extreme R/C has the 8 port PS for $130:
Extreme R/C (http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/ccp5/cp-app.cgi?usr=50X7734637&rnd=7947283&rrc=N&cip=64.118.101.118&pg=cat&ref=ENGINES)

[Casey]

Renegade R/C sells the Hyper 8-port Race for $149.99. They are out of stock right now, but check back in a day or two they'll probably have them.

http://www.renegaderc.com/shop.mv?PROD=OFN53218

[stingray]

Ski....$454.00 for the Pro. Them boys be smokin crack! Almost everyone else has them for $350.00 or less. I'll wait, thanks anyways.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by stingray
Ski....$454.00 for the Pro. Them boys be smokin crack! Almost everyone else has them for $350.00 or less. I'll wait, thanks anyways.

Try Pottbelly's R/C. We have at least 1 in stock and they are being sold for $335 plus shipping :)

Email Slammin'Sam at samlairson@lairson.com to get all the particulars :)

[NitoIgniter]

I'm thinking about selling my Lightning Pro.

Upgrades:

2.7 HP Hyper .21 8-port Racing Engine
130 oz .20 sec (at 6v) hobbico steering servo

Draw backs:

No wing (it broke)
AM 2ch Futaba Radio
Steering servo isn't top notch but it works very well
The stock pipe has a dinged stinger but works great
Body has a small scratch or two.

What do you guys think this is worth?

The engine has 8 tanks of gas through it and I followed the break-in to the T. Nothing is broken and is in great working condition. I'm getting out of the hobby because it's too expensive and it annoys my wife.

I will most likely be putting it up on ebay, I'm just curious what you folks think it's worth.

Thanks,
NI

[romulus]

NitroIgniter,
Sorry to hear about that :( , I bet that you had a lot of fun :) . I guess that there is a fine line in how much you want to dedicate this hobby and the spouse. As for how much you want to sell your buggy, I think that $450 should be your minimum. If you can get $500 or more, great! Who knows, maybe you will get back into the hobby with a Lightning Pro2 NitroIgniter Edition :D Cheers, and good luck!

[geo8498]

Well, I broke down and bought a new engine. I was going to get the regular Hyper 8 port, but decided to go one better and got the Hyper 8 port Race. 2.7 hp

Can't wait to get it in.

Now if I can only find my clutch parts and flywheel in all my moving boxes.

[geo8498]

Now if only the rain would stop.

[NitoIgniter]

I installed that very same engine in my Lightning Pro.

It goes like a bat out of hell. At 2.7 HP its like dropping a picco .26 outlaw in there. Accept thit 8-port is race legal :)

enjoy dude!

[geo8498]

Well, I got the new Hyper race 8 port almost broken in.
It was really very tight to get it started the first time. First full tank I ran, I didn't even take it off the starter box. Now after I've run about 3 tanks through it, she starts up quite easily. The thing hasn't even been leaned out that much and she already has more power than I could believe.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by geo8498
Well, I got the new Hyper race 8 port almost broken in.
It was really very tight to get it started the first time. First full tank I ran, I didn't even take it off the starter box. Now after I've run about 3 tanks through it, she starts up quite easily. The thing hasn't even been leaned out that much and she already has more power than I could believe.

From some of the comments I've heard about the Lightning's stock engine - that's not too impossible to believe. I've heard several guys at my track complaining about the lack of consistent power outta the stock engine - and I think I'm beginning to see it myself...I lean the thing out on the top and the fatter and slower it seems on the track...hmmmmm, a new engine maybe not too far in my future ;):)

[NitoIgniter]

I bought my .21 Hyper 8-port Racing engine with a pull start for $165 on ebay. The seller often has them in stock (with a pull start). You can send him and email and he can't send you one without going through ebay too. He's very professional and I recommend him highly:

ruenjou@yahoo.com

I paypal'd him $165 + 7.50 shipping and had my engine 3 days later.

I love this engine. It's a great bang for the buck. :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by NitoIgniter
I bought my .21 Hyper 8-port Racing engine with a pull start for $165 on ebay. The seller often has them in stock (with a pull start). You can send him and email and he can't send you one without going through ebay too. He's very professional and I recommend him highly:

ruenjou@yahoo.com

I paypal'd him $165 + 7.50 shipping and had my engine 3 days later.

I love this engine. It's a great bang for the buck. :)

I'm sure that's a good deal, but for a few bucks more I can get the new OS motor - dealer cost :) Its great having connections ;):):D

[geo8498]

So I'm trying to tune in my new engine. Here's my question. The buggy has terrific hi-end. But I've noticed that it's difficult to get a good lo-end on it. What's happening is the car seems to hesitate a bit before the engine kicks in. It's like it has no "off the line" kick. Once it gets going though, it plumes nice smoke and rips down the field. Anyone know which setting I need to adjust to get it to kick in on the initial throttle squeeze? I was thinking that maybe my clutch is engaging too early. But I really think it's aa needle setting.

[Juice]

Sounds like your low end is a little rich and its bogging coming off idle! Turn it in 1/8 turn and try it again!

[Ski]

Can anyone tell me where to get parts for pro other than Rickys these folks dont seem to know much about their own product.

[cbr74]

I've heard that Pegasus Hobbies (http://www.pegasushobbies.com) has parts, you can also try RcBoyz (http://www.rcboyz.com), MegaNitro (http://www.meganitro.com), and HPISavage21.com (http://www.hpisavage21.com/lightning_parts.htm)

[Ski]

thanks CBR:)

[k_bojar]

Hey all...Anyone try the OS .21RG engine?? I just got a hell of a deal on one and I decided to go for it...I'll hold off on the V01B until next season :D

This should pack just enuff power to get my buggy into some more respectable finishing positions (even better odds with a better driver ;) ). But it should stop me from getting bump drafted on the front straight

[romulus]

As far as I know the OS .21RG has a power output of 1.9 hp. The only bad thing is the cooling head. It seems a bit smaller than other heads. Maybe a cooling head from O'Donnell will do the trick. Other than that you got a pretty realiable engine.

[k_bojar]

I know the OS is realiable :) and it should be a definite upgrade from the kit motor....Either way - its only gonna stay in the buggy until the end of this season or it blows up :) I got my eyes set on a V01B with an O'Donnell head and an OS pipe/header :D:D:D:D

Actually the head doesnt physically look smaller than the V01B's head...At least side by side it doesnt appear to be that much different - it is a black color, so maybe that has something to do with it

[romulus]

I see...when you get your V01B with an O'Donnell head and an OS pipe/header will be soooo sweeet!:D
As far as the .21RG will be an improvement over the stock engine at reasonable cost. Let us know how do you do with this mill during races... Cheers;)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by romulus
I see...when you get your V01B with an O'Donnell head and an OS pipe/header will be soooo sweeet!:D
As far as the .21RG will be an improvement over the stock engine at reasonable cost. Let us know how do you do with this mill during races... Cheers;)

The next run for the buggy is going to be the 25th - going on-road racing this weekend, so the buggy will sadly be sitting in my house :( But look out the following weekend :D:)

[Juice]

Anybody have the RC Boyz phone number?

I need to get a P/S set quickly but need to know if they even have it? They list no number on there website and have emailed them on 2 differant days with no response?:confused:

[kcobra]

I know the feeling about hobby shops not getting back to you. I emailed 2 shops this weekend asking them if they have the Lightning Pro in stock and neither has responded. I swear, hobby shops are worse than automotive shops when it comes to customer service. No wonder half of them go out of business.

[blemaxx]

Try a diff. shop like Pegasus Hobbies I called and got parts quick also maybe Pottbellys

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by blemaxx
Try a diff. shop like Pegasus Hobbies I called and got parts quick also maybe Pottbellys

I know we dont have any in at Pottbelly's...But if you really want one, shoot Slammin'Sam an email and he can let you know how long it will take to get 1 back in stock. We get them from a distributor in Maryland which is very close to us :)

[Juice]

Thanks guys, all under control now!

[blemaxx]

my new body I got the screw kit from RC screws and it is a good deal I will see how they hold up this weekend. I also took the ano. off the shock towers man they clean up nice.

http://www.cupofjoe.org/pics/front-buggy.jpg http://www.cupofjoe.org/pics/rear-tower.jpg

[geo8498]

Does anyone know of an alternative wing mount? I'm really getting tired of having to replace the thing. Especially when I can't just pick one up at LHS. I was looking at Kyosho mount, but it doesn't look like it would fit.

[kcobra]

From looking at the picks, it looks similar to a Thunder Chicken mount from an EB4. Not positive though, since I don't have a Lightning.

Anyone know a place besides Potbellys or the HPISavage shop that has the Lightning Pro in stock? Neither of those places responded to my emails asking them if they were in stock, so I assume they are not and even if they are, I am not gonna patronize them considering they ignored my emails.

[cbr74]

Juice... RcBoyz: (801)252-0244

[RokleM]

Are you guys really having that much trouble with the wing mount? I bought a spare in case (as I heard some people breaking them), and have yet to have any issues. I've had some nasty rolls, but I don't even want to know what you guys are doing :D My wing blew up just like everyone else, but the Ofna tri level has worked perfect.

-RokleM

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by kcobra
From looking at the picks, it looks similar to a Thunder Chicken mount from an EB4. Not positive though, since I don't have a Lightning.

Anyone know a place besides Potbellys or the HPISavage shop that has the Lightning Pro in stock? Neither of those places responded to my emails asking them if they were in stock, so I assume they are not and even if they are, I am not gonna patronize them considering they ignored my emails.

What email addy did you use for Pottbelly's??? I work there and I know we dont have any in but if you email Slammin'Sam he can and will give you an answer

So dont be making claims that cant be backed up or starting crap

[kcobra]

Originally posted by k_bojar
What email addy did you use for Pottbelly's??? I work there and I know we dont have any in but if you email Slammin'Sam he can and will give you an answer

So dont be making claims that cant be backed up or starting crap

I emailed PottBelly@PottBellysRC.com which is the email POSTED on PottBelly's site. My claim certainly can be backed up. Business 101 says you respond to customer inquiries if you want to make a sale. Business 102 says you keep your contact information up to date and don't make the customer go through hoops to figure out what email address to use.

[stingray]

I must say that I've been investigating this buggy hard for about two months now. The verdict is this...Hot Bodies consists of about two people. One who answers the phones and one who acts as tech support, sales, and everything else(and he's never there). The documentation and web site for their products are a complete joke. They list no dimensions of their vehicles, are very vague in their descriptions, and they don't respond to e-mails. I've heard great things about this buggy, but I think that my money would be better spent elswhere. Somewhere that actually has tech support, responds to questions, and truly endorses their product. Replacement parts for the buggy are almost non-existent, and if you can find someone who carries the stuff, it's always on backorder. Once again, I'm not dogging the buggy, but the company needs to get their S**t together if they ever want to be considered a real player in the market. Don't flame me just for telling the truth. Just my two cents.....

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by kcobra
I emailed PottBelly@PottBellysRC.com which is the email POSTED on PottBelly's site. My claim certainly can be backed up. Business 101 says you respond to customer inquiries if you want to make a sale. Business 102 says you keep your contact information up to date and don't make the customer go through hoops to figure out what email address to use.

well that addy is for the track and the guy who reads that email is in Orlando for work...If you read any of the posts in this thread, I specifically say email Slammin'Sam - who runs the hobby shop

We do answer email ASAP when we get them to the right addresses

either way....

[cbr74]

OK stingray... then don't buy one.

Have you ever tried to get tech support from Ofna? bwahahahaha
How about Kyosho?
I can't say anything bad about Mugen though.. they have good support.

I agree that HB could have their act together a little better.. but also remember.. they're very new to the market... give 'em some time. Tower's going to be carrying all the Lightning parts soon enough and then all the whining and crying about parts availability will cease.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by stingray
I must say that I've been investigating this buggy hard for about two months now. The verdict is this...Hot Bodies consists of about two people. One who answers the phones and one who acts as tech support, sales, and everything else(and he's never there). The documentation and web site for their products are a complete joke. They list no dimensions of their vehicles, are very vague in their descriptions, and they don't respond to e-mails. I've heard great things about this buggy, but I think that my money would be better spent elswhere. Somewhere that actually has tech support, responds to questions, and truly endorses their product. Replacement parts for the buggy are almost non-existent, and if you can find someone who carries the stuff, it's always on backorder. Once again, I'm not dogging the buggy, but the company needs to get their S**t together if they ever want to be considered a real player in the market. Don't flame me just for telling the truth. Just my two cents.....

yea the website is pretty crappy to say the least, you do have to remember one thing though, HB is only importing/rebadging this buggy - this is not a HB-only built buggy, so they may not have much info. I'm not defending them nor do I work for them - I just know what I've heard. Personally I've never had problems dealing with them

[kcobra]

Originally posted by k_bojar
well that addy is for the track and the guy who reads that email is in Orlando for work...If you read any of the posts in this thread, I specifically say email Slammin'Sam - who runs the hobby shop

We do answer email ASAP when we get them to the right addresses

either way....

Then perhaps the hobby shop needs to get their email address put on the website so customers won't think they are just being ignored.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by kcobra
Then perhaps the hobby shop needs to get their email address put on the website so customers won't think they are just being ignored.

I'll pass that along to our web designer. It was never there because technically the hobby shop does not exist without the track, so it never crossed anyone's mind

If you email Slammin' Sam (slairson@direcpc.com) he can give you the best information regarding when we can get more buggies in

[kcobra]

Originally posted by k_bojar
I'll pass that along to our web designer. It was never there because technically the hobby shop does not exist without the track, so it never crossed anyone's mind

If you email Slammin' Sam (slairson@direcpc.com) he can give you the best information regarding when we can get more buggies in

Thanks for the information k_bojar. Sorry if I sounded like a butt. It's been an annoying week. I am ready for the extended weekend.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by kcobra
Thanks for the information k_bojar. Sorry if I sounded like a butt. It's been an annoying week. I am ready for the extended weekend.

Its ok :) I think Sam replied to you before last nite :) We wont be able to get anymore Lightnings until the end of May, early June - which probably wont help you any

I cannot wait until the weekend myself - unfortunately I think we're gonna get rained out here :( grrrrrr :mad::mad:

[kcobra]

Originally posted by k_bojar
Its ok :) I think Sam replied to you before last nite :) We wont be able to get anymore Lightnings until the end of May, early June - which probably wont help you any

I cannot wait until the weekend myself - unfortunately I think we're gonna get rained out here :( grrrrrr :mad::mad:

Thanks for the info. Please post on here when y'all get some more Lightning Pro's in. I'll probably still be looking for one in June since everyone seems to be backordered.

I sure know about the rain. It's been raining for 2 months straight here in St. Louis. Outdoor racing started at the beginnning of April and we have only been able to racing about 6 times because of the rain. That's counting weeknight racing.

[romulus]

kcobra,
I just went to Ultimate hobbies and also Pegasus. Both have one Lightning Pro in stock. You can go to their websites or just give them a call. I am sure they can arrange something for the shipment. www.ultimatehobbies.com www.pegasushobbies.com
I haven't asked how much they are selling it for. cheers

[Kenny123]

I have been wanting to buy a Lightning Pro buggy but is worth the money? Do parts brake a lot? How does it handle? Is this buggy almost the same as the Kyosho 7.5 ll? Would you say it handles almost the same as the 7.5 ll?

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Kenny123
I have been wanting to buy a Lightning Pro buggy but is worth the money? Do parts brake a lot? How does it handle? Is this buggy almost the same as the Kyosho 7.5 ll? Would you say it handles almost the same as the 7.5 ll?

From what I've seen of mine and the ohter 7 or 8 that run at my local track - is there are every bit as durable as the Kyosho car. I'd even venture to say more durable, since I've seen 2 Kyosho's break at my track

If you are gonna get into 8th scale and dont have or wanna drop dump truck loads of $$, then the Lightning Pro is the way to go

Layout and design in practically identical to the of the Kanai's - just some very minor/subtle differences in the 2 chassis. I've never driven a Kanai but depending on set-up and driver ability, anything can outhandle any other chassis. I've seen a BOX-STOCK Pro TQ and win 10 min A-Mains at my track a couple of weeks in a row, so that definitely says something about the buggy

Hope that helps...I love mine and damn glad I waited and got the Pro

[tallcracker]

hey guys
i used to post here quite a bit, but recently due to work i havent had time to play with my car or goof off here. i have decided it is time to sell my lightning and let some1 who actually has time to use it enjoy it. i decided to post here incase any potential buyers came in here asking questions and looking for a good deal. here is a list of what i am selling

-lightning rr buggy
-standard radio and servos inc but not installed

the buggy has the following hop ups
-7.5 rims
-7.5 wing
-F & R alum purple braces
- 4mm front tower (2mm front included)
- 3mm rear tower (2mm rear included)
- 3mm front a arm brace
- proline 7.5 crowd pleazer body painted blue in good shape
- stock body also included but has some cracks
- venom failsafe compatible with all radios
- new rear and front A - arms
- new shock boots
- new tire foams
- front and rear upper and lower suspension mounts

i am asking $250 plus the buyer pays shipping. the engine has great compression and has never been run lean. i always cleaned the car down after every day of play. this buggy is in excellent shape and worth the money. please e mail me with any questions or offers
tallcracker21@aol.com

[Ford Racer#1]

does anyone know of any company dealer that still sells the Pro version?? all ive been findin is the Lightning RR rtr verion but i want the Pro. please help i think this buggy is what ive always been dreamin of

[BiZzAr0]

I just got one today and it rocks, ive been breaking in all day though.

[Ford Racer#1]

did you get the Pro version?? wered you get it from?? im still trying to save up for one but im trying to get an idea were to get one i just spent today going thru the new rc car action mag. goin to every dealer in it and none had one. or atleast in stock

[geo8498]

Does anyone here run the Ofna Hyper 8 port Race? If so, what plug do you use. I still haven't been able to get the thing tuned properly. Guy at LHS is even having a tough time with it. It just doesn't make the transition from low to high. He thinks I might need a hotter plug. I just put in an OS A3, which doesn't seem to make a difference. So I picked up a McCoy 59. Haven't tried it yet.

Does anyone have a suggestion on the engine?

By the way, I just fabricated a custom aluminum wing mount. As soon as I find the batteries for my camera, I'll post some pics.

[BiZzAr0]

i got mine for only $370

anyway, iam tryin to find some better wheels for it, where can i find some?

[Blacktiger]

Try the Mc59 for sure, most hypers like the hotter plugs. Mine loves the mc59 and mc9 depending on the temps outside.

[geo8498]

Got tired of shopping and waiting for a wing mount. They keep breaking anyway. So I built one . . .

[geo8498]

rear view

[geo8498]

detail view

[kcobra]

Thanks for the tip romulus. I snagged the Pro Ultimate Hobbies had today. They are going to ship it out to me on Tues or Wed. It was a great price at $330 + shipping. Now I just need to get some servos and stuff.

[Kenny123]

Hey geo8498 do you think you can make me a wing mount? If yes how much? Email me at: KennyVIP@msn.com

[Colon18]

Hey guys I am new to this board and I am very pleased with the way everyone is sharing info and taking care of each other. I ahve one question where t\do i get spare parts. I ordered my Lightning Pro form HPI Savage21.com. I still have not received it and I hope i comes in sometime this week. The LHS do not carry parts for the lightning but, some sell it( with no product support!!) Ohh well i am extremly excited about getting my new buggy soon and I hope to contribute to this post.......

[kyoshofan420]

Colon18,
I think towerhobbies should have parts and so should some others, they are named somewhere in the thread and I am pretty sure your LHS wouldn't stock something unless they were going to have parts too. My LHS was selling the Pro and RR without having parts, but after a week or so, they had parts for it. I have not bought one yet, but I plan on getting the pro once I save up for it. Paying for college will mean that it would take longer than I would like to get the buggy. I hope I helped and good luck with your purchase:)

[kyoshofan420]

Oh yeah, I forgot some questions I had. Does the pro have a fuel filter? I have seen some people use two for the carb and one for the exhaust. Does this really help? Thanks in advance. Great job on the wing geo.

[blemaxx]

no you need to get a filter. I use 2 just for more lid time and better protection from the dust I run in. Hope that helps.

[Norm1968]

Hello everyone. I'm a newbie here and have been reading your forum on the HB Lightning RTR and Pro. Nice to see everyone sharing opinions and ideas. I just bought a HB RTR on Ebay for $200 +shipping. The guy says it's just broken in (used 3 or 4 times) and it looks good from the pic he sent. Can't wait to try it out. This will be my first nitro but not my first RC car. I've already picked up alot of ideas and suggestions here and look forward to chatting and exchanging tips.:D

[kyoshofan420]

blemaxx, thanks for the help and norm, have fun with your car.

[Norm1968]

Kyoshofan 420, thanks. I plan to do a few hop ups first then some backyard bashing to get use to the car and finally some racing locally. I've already learned plenty here.:)

[kcobra]

Most people run multiple fuel filters (ussually the big kind) so they can get more fuel capacity. I've never heard of a filter being used on the pressure line.

I you don't care about fuel capacity, one of the small filters with the fine mesh filter is plenty.

[Colon18]

Hey fellas can some one tell me what the swingarm(front end) parts numbers are? I can't seem to figure out with the lil info online. Also, can someone tell me if they have dealt with "HPISAVAGE21.Com" I ordered my lightning pro thru these guys and was just wondering a lil more about them(buddy of mine ogt one also about 3 weeks ago, he was pleased).

[kcobra]

Originally posted by Colon18
Hey fellas can some one tell me what the swingarm(front end) parts numbers are? I can't seem to figure out with the lil info online. Also, can someone tell me if they have dealt with "HPISAVAGE21.Com" I ordered my lightning pro thru these guys and was just wondering a lil more about them(buddy of mine ogt one also about 3 weeks ago, he was pleased).

Colon18: When did you order the Pro through the hpisavage21.com website and have you heard anything back from them? I was going to buy from them but they never reponded to my email asking them if they had the Pro in stock. I assumed they were out of stock. Would be interested to find out if they indeed do have them.

[Colon18]

Hey Bro I will let you know something as soon as i get the Lightning in. I ordered mine on 5/24 and tehy already took the money out of paypal...I am hoping to get something from them tommorow .........

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by geo8498
Does anyone here run the Ofna Hyper 8 port Race? If so, what plug do you use. I still haven't been able to get the thing tuned properly. Guy at LHS is even having a tough time with it. It just doesn't make the transition from low to high. He thinks I might need a hotter plug. I just put in an OS A3, which doesn't seem to make a difference. So I picked up a McCoy 59. Haven't tried it yet.

Does anyone have a suggestion on the engine?


I kinda had a similar problem with my new OS engine on Sunday...The thing was not getting hot at all...I got the low-end screw almost all the way in and the high-end has been moved significantly :) I finally had to go to a Rex 07s/g or something like that - it is a specifically HOT plug...Once I did that, the engine finally got some heat into and I was able to tune to better - still need to lean her out some more, cant make a 5 min qualifier ;):) and that's odd for an OS :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Colon18
Hey fellas can some one tell me what the swingarm(front end) parts numbers are? I can't seem to figure out with the lil info online. ....

the part number is:

C8010 SUSPENSION ARM SET F, R

It gives you 1 front and 1 rear arm - the arms are interchangable left to right :)

Hope that helps...I got my list from the hot bodies website :) and i think a bunch of pages back someone listed the exact web-link to the list

[kyoshofan420]

Has RCCA or Nitro ever reviewed the Pro version? I looked in both magazines back issue list and I didn't find anything, although Nitro's was missing a few issues for some reason.

[Colon18]

Has anyone on here dealt with hpisavage21.com? If so please let me know...and thanks for the part number....hey got another quick question what parts should i stock on is the reason i am asking all these questions.....i do not have anyone nearby where I live that carries parts for the hotbodies....thanks AGAIN

[RokleM]

Has anyone broken the pressure nozzle off the stock tank? I managed it somehow during the main last weekend, and pulled my WS7 off the track at 310. I've ordered two from Ricky's RC's, but they are back ordered.

-RokleM

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Colon18
Has anyone on here dealt with hpisavage21.com? If so please let me know...and thanks for the part number....hey got another quick question what parts should i stock on is the reason i am asking all these questions.....i do not have anyone nearby where I live that carries parts for the hotbodies....thanks AGAIN

I've never dealt with them....As far as parts, I'd keep a bunch of the screws as back up - especially the ones in the steering knuckles...We've had 2 different buggies loosing the bottom screws out of the steering knuckles - and I managed to loos both the screw and bushing.

Other than that I'd try to make sure I can get my hands on another wing - the stock wing is kinda brittle

I cant think of anything else right now

[nitrovortex]

Hiya guys, been a while since I was last on here. Does hpisavage21.com happen to ship to the UK?, cos they look like the best place to get replacements for my Lightning Pro.
Im off racing aswell on Sunday, my Pro's fully stock so wish me luck :)

Ed

[Norm1968]

Originally posted by nitrovortex
Hiya guys, been a while since I was last on here. Does hpisavage21.com happen to ship to the UK?, cos they look like the best place to get replacements for my Lightning Pro.
Im off racing aswell on Sunday, my Pro's fully stock so wish me luck :)

Ed

Good luck nitro , let us know how you did. I'm new here, just picked up a HB RTR, and to 1/8th. I've never dealt with hpisavage21.com personally....sorry. ;)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by nitrovortex
Hiya guys, been a while since I was last on here. Does hpisavage21.com happen to ship to the UK?, cos they look like the best place to get replacements for my Lightning Pro.
Im off racing aswell on Sunday, my Pro's fully stock so wish me luck :)

Ed

The fully stock Pro should hold its own :) I know mine did and several of the other HB buggies at my track :) I just got a good deal on a new engine, so I bought it :D I probably could have done some more tuning to my kit engine, but it wasnt worth it :)

The only thing(s) I did to my Pro before I took it racing was - changed the shock oil (so I knew what oil was in it), refilled the diffs with new silicone (again, so I know what was in it) - That's it...

One other thing...I'd check the glue job on the tires :) 1 day of racing and mine started to come unglued in several places on the rims...And I'd double check the lock tight-ing on the screws in the steering knuckles...The last 2 weeks at my track have had a rash of screws getting loose and lost - not enuff to mess up the buggy and its handling, just enuff to annoy you with additional parts to buy :)

[nitrovortex]

Thanks for the tips and stuff guys, you Lightning lot are sure friendly folks. Ill locktite my screws right now.

Do the Lightning diffs come prefilled btw?

thanks alot guys,
Ed

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by nitrovortex
Thanks for the tips and stuff guys, you Lightning lot are sure friendly folks. Ill locktite my screws right now.

Do the Lightning diffs come prefilled btw?

thanks alot guys,
Ed

Ed - Yea the diffs (on both buggies) come prefilled...The RTR's are filled with some kind of grease...THe Pro's are filled with a silicone - I dont know if anyone have figured out what weight, but they are filled...

[nitrovortex]

ok thanks for the info k boyer. i think ill leave em with whatever they have then, i dont like messing with grease:) summut always seems to leak when i try!

thanks for the help everyone, your a real great help.
off to replace a few screws, and locktite a few bits now,

cya later,
Ed

[geo8498]

Saw my first HB Dirt Demon at LHS tonight. What a huge beast it is. those tires are the size of small mellons. Looked like a pretty sturdy truck, except for the turnbuckles, which looked rather flimsy. It's not the prettiest thing though. I think the Savage is much better looking.

[atm92484_3]

Geo, what is the engine doing? With how high the compression is on all of the 8 ports, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually needed a cooler plug.

[geo8498]

Andrew

Actually, I switched to a hotter plug. The thing is still tough to get tuned. It's really bogging out on the low end when I give it trigger. A guy at the school said it was loading up. If I lean out the low end , it stalls.

Top end is pretty good, once it makes the transition. I switched from the Pico plug Jeromy sold me and OS A3 plug (which does great in my OS15) to a McCoy MC59, which seemed to help. I think I just need to get a good day to really get it running.

When I first got it going, the compression was so tight that I'd have to loosen the plug or turn the flywheel with my pliers to get past the top. Then try to get the starter box to turn it over again.

[NitroCrackers]

Whooooooooooooo Hooooooooooooooo, i just got a lightning rr for 240 shipped (rtr) with a decent amount of stuff.

1 buggy body (used-painted)
1 buggy body (new-painted)
1 extended unpainted ford f350 body (new-proline)
4 stock wheels and mugshots (practicly new)
4 wheels onroad tires
and dom body mounts

I have pics, but i dont know how to post them.


p.s.

Geo, i saw some of your work and would like to talk to you please.


I also hace a hi torque servo for the steering, and i saw the buggy whith the 4 disk brakes (3 in front and 1 in rear), what all do i need to do that except with 2 on both sides?

[geo8498]

sure nitrocracker, email me or pm me if you want.

anyone have a recommendation on a couple nice torquee motors for my ofna starter box? I just fried both of mine. (Guess that compression on the new engine took its toll.) I have one Photon motor from Duratrax that I had in my electric Evader. Wondering if I should get a second one to use them in my box. Not sure if it's got the guts for it though. Anyting around $20 would be okay. What about a P2K or something?

[atm92484_3]

Those Photons might do all right, but what a lot of people have used are E-Maxx motors. Since they're 550s, they have even more power to start the higher compression engines (not to mention they're torquey as hell).

[Norm1968]

OK everyone, I got my HBL RTR and ran it a few times...this thing is awsome. This is my first nitro anything and i have a couple of questions. 1st, What is a good shock oil setup using the stock yellow springs? Need that till I get my Kyosho blue's, which leads me to the second question. What's the setup oil wise, for the Kyosho blue's? I'm sure I could go back and read thru all the post for the HB but this would help timeline wise.

P.S. My oldest son races a OFNA Hyper 7 PBS and can't believe my HB out turns him on the track.

Thanks for the help.:)

[kyoshofan420]

It is all setup with any car. I think 25-35wt should be fine with the stock springs. The shock oil wt shouldn't change that much for the Kyosho springs. Have fun with your buggy:)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Norm1968
OK everyone, I got my HBL RTR and ran it a few times...this thing is awsome. This is my first nitro anything and i have a couple of questions. 1st, What is a good shock oil setup using the stock yellow springs? Need that till I get my Kyosho blue's, which leads me to the second question. What's the setup oil wise, for the Kyosho blue's? I'm sure I could go back and read thru all the post for the HB but this would help timeline wise.

P.S. My oldest son races a OFNA Hyper 7 PBS and can't believe my HB out turns him on the track.

Thanks for the help.:)

Currently I'm running 40 wt oil in the front and 25 wt in the rear...I ran this with the kit springs (yellow) and with my blue (med) OFNA springs...I think the rear is a tad too soft so I might switch to 30 in the rear....I'm just unsure since the buggy handles so well and changing the oil my f'up the entire handling :) hmmm

Also I think the OFNA and Kyosho are very close in stiffness and length - besides a butt-load cheaper (2 front/2 rear springs for about $20) :) I cant see or feel a difference between the 2 sets - just incase you cannot get Kyosho springs - its another alternative

[Norm1968]

Thanks guys for the help on the shock oil thing. You can always count on help here and I appreciate it. I'll check into the Ofna springs but already have the Kyosho's ordered, good to know for future reference. :)

[gkcontra]

Hey all, need to get rid of my Lightning, here is a link to a detailed ad for it:

Here it is (http://216.22.104.127/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=34&t=39364&st=&&#entry321180)

[RokleM]

Anybody know where to get a tank? I have one on order from Ricky's, but they're still on backorder.

Being that I haven't been racing this much at all during the summer, and the road and electric bug have caught my attention... I'm half debating getting rid of it. Pro, WS7 with half a gallon through, enough parts to build another one, Kyosho 7.5 internal gears, Ofna pipe, etc, 2 sets of mounted pink taper pins and the original rims/tires, Ofna starter box, etc. Figure I can get $700-800ish out of it.

-RokleM

[CRSMP5]

http://members.aol.com/crsvwdesigns/rc/hblight/l1.jpg
the windshield has a cut out to fill the tank, i like how the black plastic wall seperates it from the rest of the electronics when filling it like this.. i bet i finish breaking cooling fin on it too..
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that beetle body is my next victuim.. i took it from my touring car to see duribility issued before i use the sweet purpal body on it..

well i got it tonight.. 373 out the door.. shop owner likes me i guess.. got discount.. what i see on the car i like..

it has CVDs for center drive shafts and front wheels, aluminum braces, the shock towers are thicker, has front and rear sway bar, has a set of really cute rubber booties on the shocks, 2 front brake disks, 1 rear, all steel, 3 shoe clutch set up, so far im impressed with everything except the engine mounts.. they are for 21 bb sized engines and are not adjustable like a ofna is..

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well i tore it down and rebuilt it.. just to double check quality issues.. what kinds of goodies/dissapointments did i find.. hmmmm

it comes with dif lock oil in the diffs, they were not topped off as full as i see for the savage, i have no idea what weights there were.. so i refilled them...

NEXT those who want a 4 pin diff set up, hows this soung.. the diffs on it are the SAME as a savage.. yep same.. the plastic housing and all, the metal gears are steel, and are of lighter material though.. need to save a few grams racers :twisted: ill post part #s later.. i think the actual plastic housing is of better quality than the plastic used on the savage also.. too bad the metal gears look of poorer quality..

besides the lack of oil in the diffs (not as full as i see in pics of 4 spider gear set ups for a savage).. and no idea of what the fluids are in it stock.. thats all i saw.. the diff cases need sealed like a savage.. so i took care of that at the same time..

i used my 21bb i had from my savage all broken in with my 16t cb i have for the savage.. it is unreal how fast it is..

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by CRSMP5
...well i got it tonight.. 373 out the door.. shop owner likes me i guess.. got discount.. what i see on the car i like..
... they are for 21 bb sized engines and are not adjustable like a ofna is..[\quote]

Actually the mounts [b]ARE adjustable - I've moved mine when I mount my new OS engine in it (smaller footprint than the kit motor)

And depending on where you are, that price is kinda high for the Pro version...I know (for a fact) that the RTR and Pro will cost a hobby shop the same for either kit.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CRSMP5
well i tore it down and rebuilt it.. just to double check quality issues.. what kinds of goodies/dissapointments did i find.. hmmmm

it comes with dif lock oil in the diffs, they were not topped off as full as i see for the savage, i have no idea what weights there were.. so i refilled them...

NEXT those who want a 4 pin diff set up, hows this soung.. the diffs on it are the SAME as a savage.. yep same.. the plastic housing and all, the metal gears are steel, and are of lighter material though.. need to save a few grams racers :twisted: ill post part #s later.. i think the actual plastic housing is of better quality than the plastic used on the savage also.. too bad the metal gears look of poorer quality..

besides the lack of oil in the diffs (not as full as i see in pics of 4 spider gear set ups for a savage).. and no idea of what the fluids are in it stock.. thats all i saw.. the diff cases need sealed like a savage.. so i took care of that at the same time..

i used my 21bb i had from my savage all broken in with my 16t cb i have for the savage.. it is unreal how fast it is..

Actually that is silicone in the diff houses :) not sure what weight it is either, but it is silicone (on the Pro) nonetheless...I would not want to run lighter material diff gears in the buggy - especially not if its being raced...The light material will get chewed to hell - heavier-duty gears is what is really needed, weight really isnt all that much of an issue with nitro

Not sure what you are talking about sealing the diff cases...I took mine apart, cleaned them out, replaced the bearings and refilled the diffs and reassembled it without taking any additional steps to seal the case - and not one drop of diff goop has leaked outta mine

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by CRSMP5
...well i got it tonight.. 373 out the door.. shop owner likes me i guess.. got discount.. what i see on the car i like..
... they are for 21 bb sized engines and are not adjustable like a ofna is..

Actually the mounts ARE adjustable - I've moved mine when I mount my new OS engine in it (smaller footprint than the kit motor)

And depending on where you are, that price is kinda high for the Pro version...I know (for a fact) that the RTR and Pro will cost a hobby shop the same for either kit.
Originally posted by CRSMP5
well i tore it down and rebuilt it.. just to double check quality issues.. what kinds of goodies/dissapointments did i find.. hmmmm

it comes with dif lock oil in the diffs, they were not topped off as full as i see for the savage, i have no idea what weights there were.. so i refilled them...

NEXT those who want a 4 pin diff set up, hows this soung.. the diffs on it are the SAME as a savage.. yep same.. the plastic housing and all, the metal gears are steel, and are of lighter material though.. need to save a few grams racers :twisted: ill post part #s later.. i think the actual plastic housing is of better quality than the plastic used on the savage also.. too bad the metal gears look of poorer quality..

besides the lack of oil in the diffs (not as full as i see in pics of 4 spider gear set ups for a savage).. and no idea of what the fluids are in it stock.. thats all i saw.. the diff cases need sealed like a savage.. so i took care of that at the same time..

i used my 21bb i had from my savage all broken in with my 16t cb i have for the savage.. it is unreal how fast it is..

Actually that is silicone in the diff houses :) not sure what weight it is either, but it is silicone (on the Pro) nonetheless...I would not want to run lighter material diff gears in the buggy - especially not if its being raced...The light material will get chewed to hell - heavier-duty gears is what is really needed, weight really isnt all that much of an issue with nitro

Not sure what you are talking about sealing the diff cases...I took mine apart, cleaned them out, replaced the bearings and refilled the diffs and reassembled it without taking any additional steps to seal the case - and not one drop of diff goop has leaked outta mine

[kcobra]

I believe the poster is talking about the mounts not being adjustable for the motor mount holes. Most engines have the same motor mount hole spacing but some don't (i.e. TTR engines).

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by kcobra
I believe the poster is talking about the mounts not being adjustable for the motor mount holes. Most engines have the same motor mount hole spacing but some don't (i.e. TTR engines).

I dunno...all I know is I was able to adjust my motor mounts on my buggy??:confused:

I just wish it would stop frigging raining here...I wanna run the buggy again :mad:

[SVTMaxx]

Just an FYI to the people considering buying a Pro, Tower now has a Hot Bodies Lightning Pro RTR listed as being on order, which makes me wonder if they're going to continue with the RR or just offer the Pro and the Pro RTR.

[CRSMP5]

it was 349 pre tax.. sealign the diffs.. the dif housing where it contacts the aluminum is not sealed.. my savage sucks dust in this same point.. so a square bead of silicone glues it down to fine dust does nto get in..

and i put 5k in center, 5k in front, and 3k in back.. since i did not know the weights..

he is correct on the engine block holes.. thats what i mean is not adjustable.. cannot stick a ofna force 25 on it cause they will not line up, this is what i refer too, the ofna mounts are able to be adjusted there...

[CRSMP5]

diff gears.. the lightning ones vs the savage one, savage is much stronger and more hefty is what i refered to also..

[Ford Racer#1]

where did you get your pro version guys?? how much was it??


THNX

[nitrovortex]

Got mine from Meganitro.com when it first came out

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Ford Racer#1
where did you get your pro version guys?? how much was it??


THNX

I got mine from Pottbelly' RC (slammin'sam)...We have them in stock $340 plus shipping :)

Shoot Slammin' Sam an email at slairson@direcpc.com **DO NOT EMAIL THE ADDRESS LISTED ON THE WEBSITE, THAT IS FOR TRACK INFO ONLY ** :):D

The Pro version is the best deal going - especially if you already own a good radio and the necessary electronics

CRSMP5 - for what I've seen with the Lightnings (and we have 9 of 10 buggies were Lightnings yesterday) the diff gears do their job well enough...We got guys running all kinds of motors in them too - OS V01B, Hyper 8, OS .21RG, I think someone has run a WS7 in it at my track - and no one have every had a diff failure....

I think the need to seal them is on a diff-by-diff basis...Some people on here needed to do work to their diffs and some (like me) didnt - I mean aside from refilling them with a known weight oil...I think HB should get on the original manufacturer of this machine (HB only imports and rebadges it) and tell them to step up their quality control :)

[Norm1968]

k_bojar, you said that HB imports the car, from where? Seems like it must come from the same company that produces the MP7.5 since so many parts are pretty much interchangeable with a few exceptions, (Kyosho may have some input there wanting their buggy to be at least alittle different.)

Even though I only had my RTR a week, the performance is great. There are quite a few HB's running at the local track, mostly Pro's and they do very good against Ofna 7PBS's, Ofna 9.5's, Ofna Ultra's and Mugens. Most are pretty much stock ( steering servo's replaced of course), even the motors. About the only place the Ofna's (7PBS's and 9.5's) have any advantage is a long straight and that's because they're running 8 ports. Everyone that has them (HB) likes them.

[kcobra]

Kyoshos makes the 7.5. The Hot Bodies car is not made by Kyosho. Basically the manufacturer of the Lightning copied the 7.5 with some minor changes. Kyosho purists would say the Lightning Pro is just a ripoff of the 7.5, which it is, but that definately is not a bad thing, as the 7.5 is one of the top cars.

Anyways, here's something I posted on another board about my new Lightning Pro:

I ran the Loghtning Pro this weekend at the local track. I am very impressed. Quality of parts is very high. Nothing broke or came loose. Seems like they did a good job of putting this thing together. Most people say the diffs are rough on this car, but by the time I had the engine broken in, the diffs were very smooth. The included tires also hooked up pretty well on a lightly watered, semi hard-packed (definately not blue grooved) track. The foams are kinda soft though.

While the included engine ain't nothing great, it started and ran
consistently and put out decent power for a $100 engine. I ran the same qualifying times with the Lightning Pro and the HPI engine that I run with my XR and WS7.

Based on my one weekend experience, if it was 3 months ago and I was buying a new car for the upcommming season, it would definately be a Lightning Pro. Part the engine and pipe out on ebay and you have a $200 car that holds it's own against $400-$600 cars.

[k_bojar]

I'm not really sure who actually produces the buggy - I think someone had posted that a company called Slacker and even had a link for it...Either way its a very nice buggy for the money - basically a steal :) As far as a copy of the 7.5, I'd say there are worse designs that could have been copied :) And, as the saying goes, its the best sign of flattery :)

As far as the sheer number of HB Lightnings surfacing at local tracks, my track had 9 of the 10 buggies out this weekend were Lightning - and most were Pros :) With the exception of 3 buggies, 6 were running box stock :) and were running well, I played with the set-up on mine too much, not it handles like crap ;) :)

The kit motor holds its own, just seems to have hit and miss power bands....It starts and runs fine, but sometimes appears to be weaker than other times - and then other times the motor has more balls than you'll ever need...I just broke down and replaced mine with an OS .21RG engine :)

You are right - with the "right" driver and a good set-up (and the stock set-up is good) the Lightning can hold its own against any buggy available :)

The loose screw remark....[b]MAKE SURE YOU DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE CHECK THE SCREWS IN THE STEERING KNUCKLES!!!!![b] I've lost 2 now and the one I lost Sunday caused me to tear apart the C-Carrier in the front :mad: I'm actually going to order a "bulk" supply of them from Fastener Express :) Just so I have more than enough spares :) Other than that, I think they pretty much stay in and survive pretty good :)

[Norm1968]

k_bojar and kcobra, thanks for the remarks. I couldn't agree more on the thought " why spend $400-$600 on a buggy "when the HB can run with the best and cost less...ha ha ha I did a funny. Back to being serious. I'm sure with a better motor and of course the servo swap this buggy can't be called a second rate buggy. I bought my RTR for $200 and it was barely used plus got a few neat extras, Raytech temp gun, new recoil starter still packaged and a rechargeable receiever pack and radio. I'll slowly add the few "Pro" parts that I think will help.

Oh, and thanks for the warning on the screws in the front Knuckles....I'll pay very close attention to those. Sorry you had the problem last weekend.:(

[kcobra]

Probably the first upgrade you should get is CNC knuckles. If you race you are pretty much gauranteed to strip the screws out of the molded knuckles. This is true for any vehicle.

Anyone know if Ultimate has any more Lightning Pro's in stock?

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by kcobra
Probably the first upgrade you should get is CNC knuckles. If you race you are pretty much gauranteed to strip the screws out of the molded knuckles. This is true for any vehicle.

Anyone know if Ultimate has any more Lightning Pro's in stock?

The Pro comes with the purple machined aluminum knuckles...No plastic on an 8th scale - at least in that department...The part I tore up was the c-hub in the front - which is plastic and that's the way I'd want it, you dont want all aluminum in suspension arms...better to break then bend

I actually havent stripped out the threads....just cant get enuff thread lock in there :)

[geo8498]

I blobbed some silicone glue over the knuckle screws and a small wad of tin foil. Haven't lost a knuckle screw since. The silicone will peel right off when it's time to do some wrenching.

[Casey]

Hey, everyone. I haven't posted here in awhile. Been busy with family and looking for a new truck(full size). Some of you may recall my post about my 2nd place finish in our LHS's "Spring Race". Well, I missed the two May races after that which were both on Saturdays. Last night was the first race for our "Monday Nitro Points Season" and I was finally able to race again. I had the only Lightning Pro(only Lightning at all) and was up against a Kanaii II(OPS), a Hyper 7 Pro(Ofna-Picco B-01), and four Mugens(two had the OPS, not sure on the other two). I'm still running the stock engine and am very proud to post my results:

1st heat : 2nd place behind Mugen w/OPS
2nd heat : 1st place AND Top Qualifier
Main : 1st place

My setup:
stock suspension settings
stock shock fluid
stock diff fluid
Pro-Line Mugshots

Just goes to show that the expensive equipment isn't that much of a factor. It's how you race that is.

Also, I've said it before and I'm saying it again. The Lightning Pro is one TOUGH buggy. If you're hesitant about buying one, just take the leap and you'll be very glad you did.

Thanks for letting me brag.

[romulus]

Good job Casey! :D As you mentioned I was just as hesitant about the Lightning... But I took a leap of faith and so far I am not dissapointed.:cool:
Since I got it I only broke the rear wing, I lost the steering nucke screw. and I craked engine mount plate. how?? probably I landed hard in the rear that the rear stiffener screw bent and allowed some chasis flexing. But I am still using it since I have to wait for the replacement. Right now I am happy with my OFNA .26. It was a nightmare in tunning it to the point that it was ready to go to the trash. But since someone in other forums mentioned to use the other low speed needle, I gave another chance. And now the engine has much stable idle and temperature (it was overheating no matter how much you rich the fuel mixture). Anyway, cheers to everyone and keep winning races.:D

[Apis]

Casey Congrats man, thats awsome. I love seeing this car get the spot light. Thats awsome you took first.
I run a GS storm and I am sick of fighting with the poor design. I had to buy hinge pins and the chasis srews rip right out of the chasis, on and on... I cant wait to get my Lightning pro.

My bro races the lightning and once you get most of the pro stuff on there, its a solid car.

Hot Bodies is made by HPI. I do not know why they don't put HPI on their stuff, maybe its their buggy division. The Lightning has the same engine and carb as the Savage.

There is a car load of pro stuff on ebay, hopefully this is a sign of parts being more readily available.

[NitoIgniter]

Originally posted by geo8498
[B]Does anyone here run the Ofna Hyper 8 port Race? If so, what plug do you use. I still haven't been able to get the thing tuned properly. Guy at LHS is even having a tough time with it. It just doesn't make the transition from low to high. He thinks I might need a hotter plug. I just put in an OS A3, which doesn't seem to make a difference. So I picked up a McCoy 59. Haven't tried it yet.

Does anyone have a suggestion on the engine?


I have the 8-port race.
Make sure you're using a "long" plug. I think the A3 is a normal glow plug (not long). The McCoy 59, however, is:


This is the McCoy MC-59 Standard Long Plug (No Idle Bar) with a Hot
element that's designed for use with Low to Medium Nitro Fuels, perfect
for Helicopters.


I'm running the new "long" glow plug made by Odonnel I also run the Odonnel 20% race fuel.

The carb on the hyper .21 is a little bitch. It's not impossible to tune, but close. If you get fed up with it, the OS 20e carb is a direct fit and makes tuning a dream. It will run you $60-70 new but you may luck out on ebay and get one for $30.

Good Luck, if you can tune it, this engine flat out rocks your socks.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Apis
....Hot Bodies is made by HPI. I do not know why they don't put HPI on their stuff, maybe its their buggy division. The Lightning has the same engine and carb as the Savage...

THE LIGHTNING IS NOT AN HPI PRODUCT. THE ENGINE IS SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT NONE THE LESS...Different and subtle differences in the molding of parts

Trust me I was thinking it was an HPI product in the beginning, but after speaking with an HPI employee and being told its isnt a HPI machine, then I'm convince :)

:) either way its cool to see the buggy doing well...I had mine in a TQ position 2 weeks ago, but the f'ing rain stopped the racing for the day :) The only change I made is springs (OFNA's) and changed to an OS engine :)

[geo8498]

Thanks NitroIgniter

Still having a heck of a time trying to tune that Hyper 8 port Race. Tried 3 different types of plugs. So far the McCoy 59 is giving me the best luck. I've even tried some 30% fuel, which doesn't seem to make a difference. Took my CVEC pipe off because it was leaking like carzy, so I thought that might be the problem. Put the stock pipe back on. Still loading up too much and bogging on start off. If I lean the low-end any more, it stalls. Even after adjusting the idle stop.

The high end seems tunable. I can get the thing screeming on the top.

Printed Ofna's tuning guide and I was going to reset everything right back to manufacturer specs and go from there. Then tonight at the park, I think something in the drivetrain went bad. Not sure if it was a diff or the clutch. But the buggy stopped going. I'd get engine revs, but very little forward motion.

Anyone have a suggestion on what to check first?

I'm wondering if my clutch was not disengaging, because since I put the engine in, the wheels had a habit of spinning on the starter box, which never happened with the stock motor. Spent the afternoon on Sunday trimming and adjusting linkage.

This also makes me wonder if all of my throttling problems could have stemmed from a bad clutch setup. ie, the clutch prematurely engaging before the motor spins up in RPMs. Or maybe a diff problem.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[kcobra]

Normally when your engine rev's but the car doesn't move it is a diff problem. The internal sun gears will strip/break on any 1/8th scale. When one blows the center diff sends all the power to that diff.

As for the CNC knuckle recommendation I made, I was talking to the guy with the RTR who was wondering what hop-ups to get. The molded, cast, or whatever is the right word for the standard knuckles are normally not up to snuff on any car.

[geo8498]

So is there any way to tell what diff might be stripped before opening it up?

[kcobra]

Originally posted by geo8498
So is there any way to tell what diff might be stripped before opening it up?

Sure, for the front or rear, hold the corresponding center drive shaft still and then turn one of the wheels on the end of car you are testing. If the opposite wheel turns the other directions that diff is ok. Repeat for the other end of the car.

For the center diff, hold the spur gear still and turn both front wheels. The rear wheels should spin in the opposite direction.

[Colon18]

Hey guys has anyone done any business with "HPISAVAGE21.com"? about 3 weeks I ordered my HB Lightning Pro from them. The probelm is not the price of $329 or the website(looks great) but the fact that the owner will not e-mail me back or even return my phone calls....needless to say I don not have my buggy but, they sure have my money......ohh well I have logged a complain with Pay Pal and maybe that will get my money back. If anyone has dealt with them please let me know and for those of yous that are looking at getting anything HB or HPI you might want to reconsider and go to another seller......

[Casey]

I picked up my Lightning Pro from "HPISAVAGE21.com" and had no problems at all. How long has it been since you paid them?

[BiZzAr0]

EVRYONE LISTEN UP


Ive found that the lightning is just the kyosho inferno!!Hb just took the chassis and put new wheels,tires and engine in it.

WE OWN A CHAMPION BUGGY!

this means we use hop ups for the inferno on the lighning!!

[Casey]

Not exactly. The Lightning is similar to the Inferno, but is definitely not the same buggy.

[BiZzAr0]

Iknow but it uses most of the chassis

[atm92484_3]

They may look similar, but they are different. As soon as I got my Lightning, I put it side by side with my 7.5. While many of the parts have simliar dimensions, there is almost always some small difference that makes the parts incompatible (90% of the time its the location of the screws). The Lightning is defiently simliar to the Inferno, but aren't all buggies today? After all, why not copy a design thats been winning for more than a decade? Take the time to read through this forum. Pretty much all of the parts that are compatible have been listed somewhere.

[Colon18]

Hey Casey,

Well I did not get my Lightning Pro form HPISAVAGE21.com, I had a huge problem with them. I sent them my money thru paypal. It then took like 3 days for the guy to e-mail me back. I then attempted to call the guy at the store and dropped the guy like 30 e-mails. He never replied. So 2 days ago I logged a complain with paypal and did get my money back. I really wanted to do business with the guy, but as the buyer need input from the seller and in this case there was none!!!! I reordered my buggy from:
Samuel E. Lairson III
Lairson Electronics Inc.
1036 North Pearl Street
Bridgeton, NJ 08302
Phone (856) 453-1616
Fax (856) 455-6577

Mr Sam owns a Lightning Pro and spoke very highly of it....... well like I said before I just want my buggy and cant wait to start playing with the darn thing.......
I think he has a couple left for $340 plus $20 s&h.....

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Colon18
Hey Casey,

Well I did not get my Lightning Pro form HPISAVAGE21.com, I had a huge problem with them. I sent them my money thru paypal. It then took like 3 days for the guy to e-mail me back. I then attempted to call the guy at the store and dropped the guy like 30 e-mails. He never replied. So 2 days ago I logged a complain with paypal and did get my money back. I really wanted to do business with the guy, but as the buyer need input from the seller and in this case there was none!!!! I reordered my buggy from:
Samuel E. Lairson III
Lairson Electronics Inc.
1036 North Pearl Street
Bridgeton, NJ 08302
Phone (856) 453-1616
Fax (856) 455-6577

Mr Sam owns a Lightning Pro and spoke very highly of it....... well like I said before I just want my buggy and cant wait to start playing with the darn thing.......
I think he has a couple left for $340 plus $20 s&h.....

Sam is the guy I was talking about :) With Pottbelly's RC :) We've sold (not counting online) proabably at least a dozen and a half of these buggies (mostly all Pros) since they've come out

The only thing Colon forgot was Slammin'Sam's email - slairson@direcpc.com shoot him an email to check availablility

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by BiZzAr0
Iknow but it uses most of the chassis

The company (again not HB, they only import it) copied alot of the Inferno but did not use the Inferno parts...Check out the inferno's direction (you can download from kyosho.com) and you'll see all the subtle differences between the 2 buggies. Things a similar but not exact

The actual manufacturer of this buggy is looking like the ultimate mystery to solve :):D But whoever it is has done a good job with this machine :)

[Norm1968]

Allright everyone, I'm new to the 1/8th nitro seen. I want to tear my diffs out clean and refill them. I know everyone seems to say 1000 wt. in the rear, 3000 or 5000 in the front and 7000 or 10,000 in the middle but how full do you fill the diff. I bought my buggy used and its still factory original according to the gentleman I bought it from.

As an afterthought, I'm glad to have an HB and the number one reason is because everyone on this thread are so very helpfull and knowledgeable about the car. Thanks one and all.:D

[romulus]

Norm,
You fill the diffs until the oil cover the four bevel gears. More than that the oil will spill out when you try to reasemble. One advice, when you have the diff apparts check the gears for wear and replace as needed. After you put the diff together, check if the gears are binding. Depending of the situation you might need to add or remove shims. I think that k_bojar has dealt the with diffs more than everyone here. If you need to replace the gears and you can't find them in your LHS, you can use the gears from the Kyosho MP7.5; these are the same and have a little better quality, but is more expensive.

[Norm1968]

Romulus, thanks....as I said you can always count on the fellow HB owners. The buggy is fairly new but I'll check for wear anyhow. Never hurts to be safe. I've read all the post about how some of the 7.5 parts can be used on the HB, that helps when your ride is down and HB parts may not be available, but as you say there's a price to pay for the 7.5 parts even if the qualityis better.

:rolleyes:

[romulus]

yeah, at towers the HB diff gears are for about $5 while the Kyosho are for about $6. Not much difference, so make your pick ;)

[Norm1968]

Thanks romulus. Your right the price isn't much, but if the quality is better on the Kyosho it may be wise to get them instead.;)

[BiZzAr0]

iam tellin you hb just bought the inferno and changed some stuff

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by romulus
Norm,
You fill the diffs until the oil cover the four bevel gears. More than that the oil will spill out when you try to reasemble. One advice, when you have the diff apparts check the gears for wear and replace as needed. After you put the diff together, check if the gears are binding. Depending of the situation you might need to add or remove shims. I think that k_bojar has dealt the with diffs more than everyone here. If you need to replace the gears and you can't find them in your LHS, you can use the gears from the Kyosho MP7.5; these are the same and have a little better quality, but is more expensive.

Hey thanks for the praise...but all I did to my diffs was take them out, emptied and cleaned them, then refilled and replaced them in my buggy...Havent done anything else - yet :)

[RokleM]

Well guys, my Lightning is on it's way out the door. I've got it on e bay if anyone wants to see what it looks like now. Tons of parts and a WS7 ;)

item 3135037461

-RokleM

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by RokleM
Well guys, my Lightning is on it's way out the door. I've got it on e bay if anyone wants to see what it looks like now. Tons of parts and a WS7 ;)

item 3135037461

-RokleM

How come you're parting with it??????

[Norm1968]

Yeah, why have you decided to sell it? You've always sounded happy with it from what I've read in your post. Hope you continue to post on our forum. Good luck with the sale.:(

[RokleM]

Honestly, I'm about finished with a new house I'm building, so I'm selling anything I'm not 100% sure I want. It truly is a amazing vehicle, and I will still post on the forums, but I'm not positive if I will be racing it indoors this winter like last year. I'm debating going electric off-road this winter for something new and challenging.

-RokleM

[Norm1968]

RokleM, Understood. A new house has priority and that's natural. glad to hear you'll still post on the forums. And if you go electric later this year I wish you success. Enjoy the new home.:)

[Blacktiger]

Just picked this up from atm92484 this weekend. It is the RR but I will upgrade to the Pro parts as needed. So far I am very pleased with the buggy.

This is how I got it in the mail.
http://www.thesinwithin.com/kg/hb-1-small.JPG

http://www.thesinwithin.com/kg/hb-2-small.JPG

And here it is with a totaly new look!
http://www.thesinwithin.com/kg/hb-black-1-small.JPG

http://www.thesinwithin.com/kg/hb-black-3-small.JPG

atm92484 pretty much had it ready to go. For now it is running the stock .21 BB. Seems to have plenty of power.

[gkcontra]

Originally posted by RokleM
Well guys, my Lightning is on it's way out the door. I've got it on e bay if anyone wants to see what it looks like now. Tons of parts and a WS7 ;)

item 3135037461

-RokleM

Yep tried with mine too but no go, so I guess I'll be running it a bit longer :)

[slamminsam]

Originally posted by kcobra
From looking at the picks, it looks similar to a Thunder Chicken mount from an EB4. Not positive though, since I don't have a Lightning.

Anyone know a place besides Potbellys or the HPISavage shop that has the Lightning Pro in stock? Neither of those places responded to my emails asking them if they were in stock, so I assume they are not and even if they are, I am not gonna patronize them considering they ignored my emails.

Hey Kcobra,

Ther is a listing up here explaining to use slairson@direcpc.com for questions on hobby products. the hobby shop is a different entity than the track. I respond to all emails usually within 4 hours or so. We have them in stock and try to keep them in but they are selling fast. I apologoze for your confusuion.

Sam Lairson
slairson@direcpc.com

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by slamminsam
Hey Kcobra,

Ther is a listing up here explaining to use slairson@direcpc.com for questions on hobby products. the hobby shop is a different entity than the track. I respond to all emails usually within 4 hours or so. We have them in stock and try to keep them in but they are selling fast. I apologoze for your confusuion.

Sam Lairson
slairson@direcpc.com

The Slammin' One has returned :) :cool: See make a little noise and the shop owner posts :)

[kcobra]

Thanks for the info Sam. No problem on the confusion. I was just having a hectic week and was a little short tempered then. Sorry that I came off like a butt. It's cool you and your emplyees come on here and offer advice/tips.

As to the original posters question about the wing mounts, someone on another forum said the mounts from a Mugen RR/XR are an exact fit.

[Casey]

Last night was our second race in our "Monday Nitro Points Series".

Showed up at the track a little late and found out it had been completely reconfigured since last race. I didn't get a chance to run any practice laps before racing started, so the first heat race was my first time on the new layout. This week they decided to run two heats of four buggies(last week all buggies ran in the same heats) and then all eight buggies in the main. Here's how I did:

1st heat - 1st place
2nd heat - 1st place
Main - 1st place

We run 6 minute qualifiers and a 10 minute main. The track was changed so much that my total laps for the main this week(17) were nearly half of last week(29).

Well, guys. I'm done with my bragging. Chalk another one up for the Lightning Brigade.

[Norm1968]

Great job Casey:D , with results like that and some others have posted racing their Lightning's, the secret will be out and Hot Bodies will have trouble supplying all the orders.;)

Keep us updated on your other race results and good luck!

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Norm1968
Great job Casey:D , with results like that and some others have posted racing their Lightning's, the secret will be out and Hot Bodies will have trouble supplying all the orders.;)

Keep us updated on your other race results and good luck!

I think they already have supply problem on their hands :)

[Blacktiger]

Proof that the lightning can hold it's own. Any pics of the track you raced on Casey?

[Casey]

Blacktiger - I don't have any pics right now, but I'll be heading out there in the next few days so my kid and I can practice. I'll take the digital and snap a few.

[romulus]

Just a quick question. Does the Proline crowdplezer body for the MP 7.5 will fit the Lightning?
thanks

[Blacktiger]

Both bodies on mine above are the Crowd Pleazer for the 7.5. Just have to trim the shock tower area a bit more.

[CRSMP5]

shock tower in front, engine hole in differen tplace, tank hole in different place, the upper arms and tir rod sections need modded to fit with out hitting also..

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129795

link to mine i installed on it..

[romulus]

thank you guys for the info. :)

[Casey]

Just got back from the track. Here's a pic of the new layout, my kids, my brother and my new truck.

Casey

[Casey]

View left of driver's stand

[Casey]

Driver's stand view center

[Casey]

Driver's stand view right

[Casey]

Here's a shot of the jumps. As you can see, this track is very loose with lots of rocks. Just the way I like it.:)

[Blacktiger]

Very nice Casey. Looks like a fun track!

[Casey]

Just a heads up for you guys thinking of buying a Lightning Pro. Tower Hobbies has the "ready-to-run" version of the Pro in stock now for $369.99. Use code # 010X2 and save $10.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEYK0&P=0

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Casey
Just a heads up for you guys thinking of buying a Lightning Pro. Tower Hobbies has the "ready-to-run" version of the Pro in stock now for $369.99. Use code # 010X2 and save $10.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEYK0&P=0

There is no such thing as a "Ready-to-Run" version of the Pro...The Pro kit is fully built and includes a engine and painted body, but no radio gear...And last I checked, Tower only carried the RTR version - which is different than the Pro

That listing is the "normal" Pro kit...Nothing special about it, all Pro kits come that way :)

[Casey]

Hey k_bojar -

I KNOW what the PRO is, I race one and bought a second for backup. But I'm telling you that Tower had that thing listed as a RTR as recently as this morning when I made my post. I can't believe they revised it since then. They are carrying the Pro now, just click the link and see for yourself.

[SpeedMunkey]

Originally posted by Casey
Hey k_bojar -

I KNOW what the PRO is, I race one and bought a second for backup. But I'm telling you that Tower had that thing listed as a RTR as recently as this morning when I made my post. I can't believe they revised it since then. They are carrying the Pro now, just click the link and see for yourself.

Actually, as of Saturday, it was listed as w/o radio. I know for a fact because after my electric Evader got seriously spanked by the gas powered cars, I came home and looked up the one that took the 1/8 gas A main. It was the Lightning Pro. I'm PROBABLY gonan get one in a couple weeks, especially after reading this thread.

Oh and www.rcboyz.com has it for $319, $50 cheaper than Tower.

[SpeedMunkey]

Ok guys, help me make up a shopping list. My plan is to get the Lightning Pro in a couple of weeks.

Now, what I need from you guys is a list of parts that are most commonly replaced. Meaning, does it have weak A-arms? Weak shock towers? Anything you find yourself replacing frequently, and in a hurry, 5 minutes before qualifying. Also, I'd like some suggestions on brands of diff lube, shock oil and any other liquid component (air filter oil, after run oil, etc...) you use on your Lightning.

I'm really excited about this car, and I wanna do things the right way. I may not get everything right away, but I wanna compile a wish list of things I know I'm gonna need.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Casey
Hey k_bojar -

I KNOW what the PRO is, I race one and bought a second for backup. But I'm telling you that Tower had that thing listed as a RTR as recently as this morning when I made my post. I can't believe they revised it since then. They are carrying the Pro now, just click the link and see for yourself.

That's what I thought (you run a Pro). I did check the link and its just the "normal" Pro kit - nothing special about it....Tower still doesnt have much in the lines of parts for the buggy - and what it did have listed, were back ordered

So like someone earlier said "we got a hot little buggy here" :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by SpeedMunkey
Ok guys, help me make up a shopping list. My plan is to get the Lightning Pro in a couple of weeks.

Now, what I need from you guys is a list of parts that are most commonly replaced. Meaning, does it have weak A-arms? Weak shock towers? Anything you find yourself replacing frequently, and in a hurry, 5 minutes before qualifying. Also, I'd like some suggestions on brands of diff lube, shock oil and any other liquid component (air filter oil, after run oil, etc...) you use on your Lightning.

I'm really excited about this car, and I wanna do things the right way. I may not get everything right away, but I wanna compile a wish list of things I know I'm gonna need.

First off, I'd get yourself a good steering servo :) OTher than that, this buggy is very solid - much more so than some of the Kanai's I've seen. The biggest thing you can get - to be safe - is a pack of 4x10mm Cap head screws for the steering knuckles :) I've lost several (and they've been locktight'ed to hell)...

I've only broke 1 thing (aside from the kit wing) and that was one front C-Hug (knuckle carrier) and that was basically because I lost the bottom screw and some crappy marshalling ;) :)

I run mugen diff lube in my diff and Associated/Trinity oils in the shocks - I dont see an advantage of one company's over another in this department.

I dont use after-run oil in mine - it hasnt been sitting long enuff :) But as far as air filter, I got Associated's on mine - but I did replace my airfilter when I got the new engine.

On the Pro, you have the thicker shock tower (3mm vs 2mm on the RTR) and I havent seen any of them bend at my local track - and we have at least 10 -12 Lightnings running there :):D The arms look good and are sturdy

I think you'll be set. On the Plus Side, ordering a complete "package" of spare parts for the Lightning is dirt cheap. One of the guys I race with, got the whole thing for about $70 directly from HB. My parts were significantly cheaper since I get a special "discount" ;):):D

[SpeedMunkey]

good stuff, exactly what I'm looking for. What all was in his $70 package? Is it something HB puts together or did he pick and choose? Where can I get those cap screws? On the diff lube, will the weights vary based on my track or is it a universal thing that the ones suggested in this thread will work?

I've driven RC stuff all my life, but this is the first time I've ever been serious about racing it. All this tweaking is still pretty new to me, so please be patient ;)

Got suggestion on that servo? I've gotta pick out a radio, so if you know of one that comes with a radio (preferably Futaba), I'm all ears. I was looking at this one:

Radio (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXASX5**&P=0)

Comments? Keep in mind, I'm doing this without an unlimited budget, so while one of those radios with a built in computer might be a great thing, it ain't gonna happen =) Since most everyone at my track is running the Lightning RR RTR, I figure I'll be ok on the 75mhz channels. The rtr comes with a 27mhz radio, I believe.

[kcobra]

Don't get that AM radio. FM is much better for gas racing or racing in general. Airtronics makes the MX-3 FM radio with 3 model memory for $100. That would be a much better buy. I believe JR also makes a 3 model FM radio that cost about $130 or so.

If you are on a budget, get the JR 590z servo ($40) for steering and use the included Airtronics stock servo for throttle/brake.

[SpeedMunkey]

Exactly why is FM better? More frequencies? We run at most 4 cars per heat and 6 in the main, so a conflict shouldn't be a problem. Most of the guys there are running an AM/27 of some sort and they seem to be doing ok. Convince me why I need to spend the extra?

Btw, Tower has the one with 1 servo for $104, the one with 3 is $135...

[romulus]

In general, FM band is less prone of glitchin and its responese time are faster. As for 27Mhz band, here in the States you only get less than 10 channels available (probably 8). In other parts of the world you get somewhere around 30 channels. At 75Mhz you get 30 channels from 70 to 90 chanels. This has to do with the FCC. If you race electric people recomend using 27Mhz since the electric motor has a close emits close to 75Mhz. In my case I also race electric sedans and I have an FM 75Mhz band radio. So far no problems (most of the time). In general any radio should work ok.:)

[SpeedMunkey]

That is basically what I thought. A nicer readio would be a good thing, but if it makes the difference in getting the thing up and running or not, then I can settle for a lesser one.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by SpeedMunkey
good stuff, exactly what I'm looking for. What all was in his $70 package? Is it something HB puts together or did he pick and choose? Where can I get those cap screws? On the diff lube, will the weights vary based on my track or is it a universal thing that the ones suggested in this thread will work?

Got suggestion on that servo? I've gotta pick out a radio, so if you know of one that comes with a radio (preferably Futaba), I'm all ears. I was looking at this one:

Radio (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXASX5**&P=0)

Comments? Keep in mind, I'm doing this without an unlimited budget, so while one of those radios with a built in computer might be a great thing, it ain't gonna happen =) Since most everyone at my track is running the Lightning RR RTR, I figure I'll be ok on the 75mhz channels. The rtr comes with a 27mhz radio, I believe.

I know he picked and chose what he wanted, but I think it ended up being one of everything :) He definitely got enuff spares to get thru racing without having to buy "essentials" (arms and pins)

I think the much more serious racers - more so than I am - would be changing diff lube based upon the track and conditions...I normally dont have time (on a race day) to do all that, so I make do with the filled weighs :)

I'd definitely stay away from the "cheaper" AM radios...Every major RC car mag has done a article on the newer "hi-technical, low priced" radio like the Artronics and that JR radio....Sometimes its better to spend a few more bucks and get the better equipment, especially radios... I opted and bought an M8 when I needed a new radio and I love it - it was money well spent :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by SpeedMunkey
That is basically what I thought. A nicer readio would be a good thing, but if it makes the difference in getting the thing up and running or not, then I can settle for a lesser one.

Definitely look slightly harder at the radios...When I got back into racing, I dropped money (about $125) on a Futaba Magnum Jr - a real nice radio - but it just didnt give me what I wanted or needed. The money I spent on it would have better saved or put to a higher-end more functionality-equipped radio

If you are looking for a radio to get going right off the bat, see about getting a used radio - it will save you some money :) and still work, that way the guilt wont be there should you need to dump the radio (for a better one) in a couple of weeks/months

[CRSMP5]

a old futaba magnium jr with the end point adjustments u can get used off ebay for under 35 shipped. 75mhz am.. thats what i am using and have ability to turn a knob to increase brakes via remote, ot turn th ethumb wheel to remove/add steering..

[Bex]

Originally posted by Casey
...Tower had that thing listed as a RTR as recently as this morning

Its the pro, just listed under the RTR section.

Well guys I finally picked up the lightning pro, got a great deal on it. $300 in my hands from a LHS. Put an extra radio/reciver in it from an old Tamiya touring car, and futaba 3003's (yeah I know I need a stronger steering servo) I have the JR XS3 on the way. Any of you all out there running that one? Hows it hold up with the buggy, how are the servos? Hopefully it will quit raining long enough tommarow that I can break it in before the race.

[geo8498]

do i want grease or silicone in my diffs after replacing a stripped gear?

[CRSMP5]

you stripped a gear in your diff?? how many tanks/gal of fuel, what engine, and what was in it?

i put silicone diff lock fluid in mine when i did the check to see if everything was built right when i got it, so i knew what weight it was, has it in it stock on my pro, but i noticed the gears were of a pot metal look and not near as heafty as my savage or the ofna pieces i saw hanging on the wall of the LHS i was at..

if you stripped one.. id suggest those gears over the stock pieces due to being pure steel vs the stock cast thats in it. but id like ot hear what happened to yours for my own knowledge as to know what to expect from my pro..

[SpeedMunkey]

Well, I got my little beastie lastnight. My LHS told me the pro was on backorder for at least 4 weeks, so I just went ahead and got the RTR version. I know it's missing some hop ups, but at my racing level, it's more than enough. So, I broke it in lastnight, sitting there frothing at the mouth the entire time it was idling through 5 tanks. Finally got to run it at about 11:00 lastnight and the 3rd place guy from lastweek just happened to be standing around.. So, we decide to have a fun run..... =) This thing was owning his $1000+ invested Ofna and it WASNT EVEN LEANED OUT YET! He told me he'd pay my entry fee in tonight's race just to get another shot at his dignity. I'm heading to the track in about 3 hours, I'll post the results tomorrow.

Oh and as for radio, I swapped out the AM/27 one it came with for my trusty old Futaba 2PB (yes, B) that is AM/75... No one there seems to have AM/75 and there was a conflict lastnight with a guy on AM/27...

[Blacktiger]

Here is a small video of my first run with my lightning at our local track. Track is located in Dayton, Ohio.

http://www.******.net/view_single.php?medid=4547

[geo8498]

wasn't a big deal. i've had the car for a good six months. engine is my new hyper 8 port race. i just wore out one of the gears in the rear diff. replaced it with a kyosho.

[CRSMP5]

indoor track... http://members.aol.com/crsvwdesigns/rc/drool.gif ok i need location of said track.. i may be on the other corner of ohio.. but i want to stop by the local pizza inn anyways to see how good they are vs all the others i drive to see..

will be a good nasty weather trip to take in the fall..

[gghost]

Where is that track in dayton and when is it open? Also can anybody run and what does it cost? I run at Indy planetrcraceway.com. Would love to bring my son out to your track. Looks like a nice setup. Is it open all year round? What do you have for ventilation on race nights? Thanks for the info.

[SpeedMunkey]

well, lastnight didn't go as well as I had hoped. I took the beastie out to the track to get some early runs in, but the thing was closed for cuz they were working on it. Finally got on the track along with about 10 other cars and I realized that my brakes were pretty much non existant. I was all over the place. One time, I did a 180 flip right infront of the driver's area. I saw the bottom of my car go by me at about 30mph. At that point, I decided to withdraw and wait until I could put some real laps on the car before entering it and breaking either my own car or someone else's. I'm guessing the brakes just wore themselves in the night before and needed some tweaking. I came home, spent about an hour on it and I THINK I got em dialed in. Speed wise though, no one was touching it on the straights, this thing is truly lightning in a bottle. Several times I came out of the turns with all 4 wheels on the wall, full power. If I could learn to do that for every lap, it would be unbeatable.

Now a tech question. Should the front and read brakes be equal? Meaning, when you hit the breaks, should they engage at the same time and with the same strength?

A rocky start, but I still got a good feeling about this car.

[CRSMP5]

in a real car the rear brakes do not get the force the fronts do, i tried it both ways... stops better if fronts have more pressure imo. next, the old futaba jr mag radio i have has end point adjustments.... if i feel as if i am loosing brakes i turm the dial to get more or less bite... so make sure you did not unajust your trim or brake points...

[Blacktiger]

Here is our website for the track in my video. Should answer all your questions.

Ohio Nitro Indoor Offroad Track (http://www.ohionitro.com)

[gghost]

Can't wait to load the wagon and head over there! Only wish you were open more often. It will be fun to race on a large layout like you have and still be out of the sun! Thanks for the info. How many 1/8 buggys show for race day?

[Blacktiger]

Not sure on the number of buggies, but it is usualy more buggies than any other class.

[CRSMP5]

Well after 3 days of basically leving this forum on for me to read thru all the posts since page1, i hav efinally read thru them all.. THANKS for all this super info.. i see i did make the right chice on my purchase.. now we just need a forum deticated to the buggy.. :D to make thngs like the HB links and stuff easy to find...

a few updates on my pro.. threw a orna 8 port in it, much faster, a 16t cb is insane in it, and the worst damage i hav edone is pull th elower screw out of the bottom of the wingstay in a wonderfull carwheel/flip scene.. the stock wheels are starting to get stress cracks :mad: on th eoutside of them like th ewheels are laminated plastic, the crack is not thru it, and i boiled the wing before use and it is now warped.. besides that it rocks..

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by CRSMP5
Well after 3 days of basically leving this forum on for me to read thru all the posts since page1, i hav efinally read thru them all.. THANKS for all this super info.. i see i did make the right chice on my purchase.. now we just need a forum deticated to the buggy.. :D to make thngs like the HB links and stuff easy to find...

a few updates on my pro.. threw a orna 8 port in it, much faster, a 16t cb is insane in it, and the worst damage i hav edone is pull th elower screw out of the bottom of the wingstay in a wonderfull carwheel/flip scene.. the stock wheels are starting to get stress cracks :mad: on th eoutside of them like th ewheels are laminated plastic, the crack is not thru it, and i boiled the wing before use and it is now warped.. besides that it rocks..

The plastic used for the wing and wheels has been "known" for breaking under use :) I've managed to mess up my wing mounts too - to many wing landings :)

[Bex]

Ok, I am stupid, Jumped it about 10 foot in the air, and landed it. AMAZINMG JUMP! Went around the turn to the next ramp I had set up, much smaller maybe a foot. When it landed it got all squirly! I tried to drive it over to me only to find out I had no steering. No biggy, I had an Futaba S3003 in there (waiting for the high torq's to come in) figured I just had shreaded the gears, I'd walk over and shut her down and change the servo and run again, I have about 10 s3003 servos laying around. Well I look through the window and turn the wheel and the servo moves. Well, no stripped gears there. I notice the servo horn is broke. Better yet I have probally 50 of those things laying around(touring car I use has a weird horn). Put another on, about 10 minutes, sevral jumps latter, snapped that one. Put a third horn on and didn't hit any ramps, horn still holding up, through 6 tanks atleast. What I am wondering, is there like metal servo horns? or atleast super heavy duty servo horns?

If you are wondering im using the servo horns with the 2 holes in them, got to put the linkage through the outside of the horn, and its kinda breaking diagonally across through the inside hole.

[CRSMP5]

i have a blue ofna one on mine.. it has a metal ring around the base of it.. and is made of a mylon type plastic the wings and wheels are made of.. if i break it ill buy a aluminum one an dit will never be a issue again.. i also have the same sterrign servo in mine.. too poor at moment to get a higher torque one for my savage so i can use the metal geared one i have in it in the buggy..

[Casey]

Last night was week three of our "Monday Nitro Points Series". There were only five buggies total last night - my Lightning Pro, an Ofna Ultra, Kanai II, and two Mugens.

I managed to pull off another good week.

Heat 1 - First place
Heat 2 - First place
Top Qualifier
Main - First place

That makes two little "Top Qualifier" plaques and three little "1st Place" plaques in three races. At the end of the 8-week season there will be larger, fancier plaques handed out. Hopefully I'll be getting one.

[Casey]

Here they are....

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Bex
...What I am wondering, is there like metal servo horns? or atleast super heavy duty servo horns?

If you are wondering im using the servo horns with the 2 holes in them, got to put the linkage through the outside of the horn, and its kinda breaking diagonally across through the inside hole.

You really need to put a better servos saver on instead of those crappy ones that come standard in servos kits :) I'd invest in either a good aluminum one (OFNA and Dynamite makes them) or a heavy duty thick-assed plastic ones (GS and a few other makes them) :):D

I went right for the heavy duty ones when I got my buggy...The torque required to throw the wheels was enuff to make things go boom :D

[Bex]

Originally posted by k_bojar
...I'd invest in either a good aluminum one (OFNA and Dynamite makes them) or a heavy duty thick-assed plastic ones (GS and a few other makes them)...

That would effect how much weight the servo would have to push and also how much the gears in the servo would have to withstand with out breaking right? So I would need an even more torqier servo right? Right now I'm looking at the Hobbieco servo that is like in the $55 price range, forget the number, but it has like 100ish in oz of torqe. Good enough for steering? Also looking at another metal geared servo for throttle/brake its like 40 some in oz of torque but has like a .12 transit speed. Would the high transit speed make the throttle more responsive? Figure 40ish in oz should be fine to move it and compress the TRS.

[desai]

will the lightning's reciever box accept a hump reciever pack?

thanks

[blemaxx]

it sure will!:)