HPI Savage 21 forum v2.0

[chickenmobilin]

I was talking to a guy at my LHS and he told me that HPI has been shipping the latest Savages with the heavy duty Dogbones in the box , as well as a few other parts , and rumor has it that the new ones have addressed the set screw problem.

[SAVAGESAM]

for the UPS ppl to knock on my door. Is there any last minute advice before I start this bad boy. btw I spoke with HPI and they said we no longer have to worry about the trans set screw. Any last words of advice?

[FrankT]

yea it came with extra dogbones....I thought it was kind of strange .I did'nt no it would come with extra.but oh well..
Frank

[SAVAGESAM]

Mine had them also, What's the diff. btwn. hd dog bones and regular ones? Which ones do they throw in the box? Lastly anyone even thinking about getting one of these should SERIOUSLY consider the roto start. Compared to my bro-in-laws T-maxx, yanking on that cord gets old quick.

[newracer]

I don't mind the pull start at all. My truck starts within 3 pulls every time and runs until I shut it off. I don't like the idea of carrying another tool. All I need to carry is my fuel bottle, ignitor and a screwdriver to make carb adjustments.

[RandyT]

I'm not sure which they put in the box, but I wish they gave them in mine. The heavy duty ones are chromed.

[coolracer47]

i just got the ritter pipe for the savage today and it rocks!!! Its worth 50 bucks id recommmend it it to anyone!!

[sport coupe]

the roto start is the same thing as the jump start by hot bodies.i prefer the jump start to the pull start.

[SAVAGESAM]

Originally posted by SAVAGESAM
Mine had them also, What's the diff. btwn. hd dog bones and regular ones? Which ones do they throw in the box? Lastly anyone even thinking about getting one of these should SERIOUSLY consider the roto start. Compared to my bro-in-laws T-maxx, yanking on that cord gets old quick. ..........The ones they put in the box are indeed the standard ones. I may have spoke too soon (I ordered one anyway) about the roto start, My truck seems to be starting just fine now. Can someone who has installed the reverse module LMK how hard/easy it is? One more question, when I install my HPI hi-po filter I shouldn't need to adjust (lean out) my carb as much right?

[SAVAGESAM]

A few questions, 1. Are they (5 cell) all equal as far as juice or quality? 2. Who makes the best? 3. Someone had mentioned one that came with TWO leads so you could install it in the savage and leave it connected and use the other lead to charge it. Anyone seen one of these?

[Ronin1973]

Look on ebay under savage.
There's a guy selling humppacks with 2 leads and a charger for $20

[FrankT]

yup you will need that I just ordered a new switch..

[SAVAGESAM]

Originally posted by FrankT
yup you will need that I just ordered a new switch.. ....Why do you need a new switch?

[RandyT]

You need the charging type of switch so you don't have to remove the battery to charge it.

[SAVAGESAM]

Originally posted by RandyT
You need the charging type of switch so you don't have to remove the battery to charge it. .Where do I find it? TIA

[RandyT]

Your LHS will have them, for Airtronics the part number is 97001. Just happened to have one at hand, they cost about 7 bucks.

[Harman]

Hey guys, new Savage owner here. I've been on the nitro scene for a while now (on road) but 'til now I've only messed with single need carbs and would like some help with this.

I got my Savage about a week ago and have had minimal trouble with it so far. Today I finally managed to finish breaking it in (idled one tank and went through about 2 and a half tanks at full rich (3.7 turns actually) doing mild runs alternating between idle and less than half power).

Anyway that stuff may be irrelevant, the thing is now I have it broken in (or so I think), I've noticed the sound the engine makes above half power sounds lean to me. Today as I finished up, I did a spot of light off-roading at around 3 turns out (both low and high needles) but I noticed that the engine sounded really lean once I gave it anything above half power. But the strange thing is this: I check the temps with the water test method and the drop sits there for about 5 (or more) seconds, there's a good amount of blue stuff coming out the pipe and the acceleration isn't great, but the sound baffles me. Coming from a .12, I thought a .21 would roar, but it sounds even tinnier than my other engine! Is it the pipe making it sound like this?

At idle it's fine, but as soon as the throttle increases and the low end needle 'disengages', the truck kicks forward and the engine sounds 'tinny'. It also has a bit of a habit of shutting off every now and then and becomes difficult to start for a while. But it's not overheating from what I can tell.

Anyone know what's going on here? I noticed also that if I let off after a brief full throttle run, the engine splutters slightly as it winds down and this leads me to think it's lean also. Am I ruining my motor here? I have the carb at 3 turns...I don't know what else to do. Air leak? Or do I have to mess with the midrange needle too?

Sorry for the novel. Any help greatly appreciated.

Harm

[newracer]

Don't mess with mid needle. That 'tinny' sound is normal, as long as you have smoke comming out of the exhaust you should be fine. Try going back to the factory settings then lean the main needle first, then the low end needle. BTW, my engine didn't really start to perform good until after 1 gallon of fuel.

[sport coupe]

my savave when it idles runs great but when i full throttle it, it shuts down. i have a dual exaust which is a pile of junk waiting for my new tune pipe to show up. it also gets really hot, the motor. can some one tell me what i can do to solve this problem?

[Harman]

Thanks newracer.

[VIPER X-F]

Richen it out 1 full turn on the HSNV to cool it. You are also starving your engine of fuel at your current setting. :)

Running your engine too lean is also a fast way to kill your engine, and bring your piston bottom dead center after play, it will keep your sleeve tight for peak performance.:cool:

[newracer]

Originally posted by sport coupe
my savave when it idles runs great but when i full throttle it, it shuts down. i have a dual exaust which is a pile of junk waiting for my new tune pipe to show up. it also gets really hot, the motor. can some one tell me what i can do to solve this problem?

getting rid of that dual exhaust should solve a lot of your problems. when you get your new tuned pipe adjust all your needles to the factory settings and start over. first the main needle and then the low end. when ever I have problems and my truck starts running crappy that's what I do. It is really easy to get the needles all out of wack

[sport coupe]

thanks newracer

[darkdemon]

this crankshaft is from the original .12r sc with white case and purple head and im trying to get it running but the clutch i have doesnt fit it fits the .15 fe but not the .12 anyone know what cltch and flywheel will fit? this is the crank shaft number you can look at it on the u.s. hpi website under buy hpi and under engine parts for the 12.r sc white case i will really appreciate your help if you can help me i need to know thans in advance

CRANK SHAFT (STD/12R)
Code:1931

[coolracer47]

Anyone havethe steering upgrade set. does it actually improve steering or anything?im goona buy this soon so i want to know if it improves steering.thanks

[newracer]

Originally posted by coolracer47
Anyone havethe steering upgrade set. does it actually improve steering or anything?im goona buy this soon so i want to know if it improves steering.thanks

it will reduce slop in the steering but I doubt you'll notice any difference unless to run on a groomed track

[Rcnit]

I race on a groomed type of track and the bearing won't give you better steering. It will make the steering smother. If you want better steering you can try several things to improve it. 1. Shorten the rear tie-rod length from 44.5 to 42 or 43. Also shorten the front from 44 to 41 or 42. 2. use the monster Pirate servo saver system on the truck.

[VIPER X-F]

Are the stock dogbones still breaking as I hear. I also hear that the model does come with some spare parts?
What are they?
Is the dogbone one of them and how many?
If not, does HPI do warranty replacement?
Does HPI provide you owners with good customer service on things that are breaking unexpectedly not including driver error of course.
Do these unexpected broken parts get replaced with upgraded parts of better material?

I am seriously looking into buying this model. How do you owners feel about owning this truck. Are there things you wished came with the truck. Have you had problems with Customer Service for warranty work.

Regards,

VIPER

[us_matrix]

Hi,

I am thinking to get HPI SAVAGE. I was wondering that if anyone of you replace the stock engine to OFNA Force .25 ? Any comment ? Is it give me much more speed and power than stock engine. I want it faster and also i believe that Force .25 will work w/ the ROTO start system? Which parts will break most?

Thanks.

[us_matrix]

Hi another question



Force .25 or Hyper 8 port...
Do you know which one give me most speed & torque? If compare to Stock engine, will i get much more speed than stock engine.
HPI said ROTO system will fit Force .25, but what about Hyper 8 port?
Are they both direct fit w/o any modifiaction?
Any parts i need to buy in order to upgrade one of this engine?
Thanks.

[RandyT]

Get a Picco .26

From what I've read the roto-start doesn't work on a Hyper 8. I do believe someone makes a conversion to work on the Hyper if you plan to go that route.

[ibanezcollector]

Originally posted by us_matrix
Hi another question



Force .25 or Hyper 8 port...
Do you know which one give me most speed & torque? If compare to Stock engine, will i get much more speed than stock engine.
HPI said ROTO system will fit Force .25, but what about Hyper 8 port?
Are they both direct fit w/o any modifiaction?
Any parts i need to buy in order to upgrade one of this engine?
Thanks.

Just got done putting the hyper 8 port in my savage.. One word W O W ....

Its a direct fit but you do have to take the flywheel, clutch shoes and springs, and clutch bell off and transfer them to the new engine..

Be prepared to lose some skin. The compression on the Hyper 8 port is fricking insane.. I have about 6 blisters from the pull start.

Break in is a little shady do to ofnas stupid instructions.. But it went ok..

Tech Tip #1 Buy ofnas recommended glow plug (low heat) for break in, but buy something else for running.. I used a high heat OS #8 plug for running and it made tuning 100% easier..

The 8 port is fricking fast as heck, and will wheelie from a dead stop or running. I love it..

Next step is to install dual disk brakes, 3 shoe clutch, 16 tooth clutch bell and a vented flywheel..

[mrpj1972]

click here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/mrpj1972/vwp?.dir=/RC+Cars&.src=bc&.dnm=savage1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/mrpj1972/lst%3f%26.dir=/RC%2bCars%26.src=bc%26.view=t)
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[tranced]

the stock dogbones suck.

after breaking the front two during some mild dirt jumping, i replaced them with hd ones.

then i went to a track, maintained 1st place during a-main, and my rear center dogbone decides to **** out on me. that same day i destroyed 4 rear dogbones. sheesh. but the hd dogbones came out unscathed. they really do the trick

[FrankT]

hello everyone ,got my new savage all done..what you think.
-r b 86 hard coated pipe
-hpi high flow filter
-fuel filter & line
-fail safe
-shock sox &20wt oil in the shocks

and much more to come:) :)

[FrankT]

:)

[sport coupe]

i have got the new muffler and airfilter.i can't get the truck to run without the ignitor left on. i have tryed several new glow plugs.i have changed the settings back to factory.i have charged the ignitor.i running out of ideas please help:confused:

[RandyT]

Have you tried to set your idle higher~? Are you breaking in the motor~? If not, the factory setting are going to be to rich.

[RandyT]

I always wanted one of these when I was growing up, so 30 years later, I got one. :D

[Godspeed]

Hey guys, which online hobby store sells the cheapest Savage and ships internationally? Thanks for any input. :)

[Ronin1973]

Meganitro (http://www.meganitro.com)

[bomber 1]

I am getting a savage and i want to know if i should use 20% nitro or 30%. I am getting a GPM air filter and shock socks and a different engine head from gpm. i also want to know what are some worth money upgrade parts. i have been thinking about the following.....
anodized skid plates and the center one and a gas tank guard
different shocks
tuned pipe
3 shoe clutch
and of course a dodge ram body ( a must)
what do you think?
what are good brands?
any thing else?
thank you

[SAVAGESAM]

On board engine temp guage. Fail safe. Better steering servo. HD dog bones.

[bomber 1]

okay i am getiing an onboard tempguge but were do i mount it

[Ronin1973]

I attached mine to the roll bar, just make sure you put it in a plastic bag or similar when you drive in wet conditions.

[newracer]

I put mine on the rear diff housing between the bumper mounts

[tperkins]

Hey, whats up everybody. I just got a Savage a few days ago. I already have HD dogbones and Imex Swamp Dawg Jumbos on it, and I have Kippster Racing a-arms and titanium brake disc and Integy Aluminum shocks coming on Monday. I have 3 questions:

1. I put in the dogbones that go from the diff to the wheels, but I cant figure out how to put in the center bones. Do I need to take off the whole front and rear assembly to get them on there?

2. I cant figure out how to get the pin off that holds on the upper arm. I tryed pulling it out, but it wouldnt budge, and it only goes through on one side, so I cant push it out. How do I get it out?

3. I heard that the shock shafts on the Integy shocks break really easy. I heard the guys over on Maxx Traxx are putting the shafts from the stock shocks in the Integy ones. Is this a good idea, and will it fix the problem?

Thanks in advance.

[RandyT]

1. Yes. (Well actually you don't have to remove it, you just have to move it far enough away from the tranny)
2. Pliers
3. Sorry don't know this one.

[stingray]

Is the stock Savage spur gear Steel? If not, who makes them? Thanks...

[RandyT]

No it's plastic. Everyone is waiting for someone to make a aluminum, or delrin one, but there isn't anything available yet that I know of.

[trakhak]

GPM, they make a 51,52, and a 53T delrin spur gear.

[RandyT]

I see that Hot Bodies has a steel spur gear for the Dirt Demon, wonder if that fits.

[bomber 1]

hey every one could you help me out?
i need to get an engine head ( heat sink)
i want one that will really cool my engine down and to be as cheap as possible please help me.
does anything else help to cool the engine head down
thanks guys

[RandyT]

Nova is suppose to make a good head. http://www.novarcproducts.com/

[teamspeedster]

Originally posted by bomber 1
hey every one could you help me out?
i need to get an engine head ( heat sink)
i want one that will really cool my engine down and to be as cheap as possible please help me.
does anything else help to cool the engine head down
thanks guys check out the GH Cooling Head (http://www.truxx.com/itemDesc.php?itemNumber=02051) from TRUXX.com

[hyper-7 44]

any 1 tested trinity's monster horsepower .27 engine? Drops right into the Savage and has 11 ports.

[BigBadTahoe]

That .27 is more expensive than the picco .26 isn't it? I had another question, is there any need for the little plastic piece in the rubber coupler that connects the tuned pipe to the manifold? I got the Hotbodies aluminum pipe and took it out and kinda broke it so far though it has run fine without it I was just wondering?:confused:

[kev-b]

There doesn't seem to be many pics of Savages in here, so let's get the ball rolling . . .

http://www.kab.freeuk.com/images/img_0559.jpg

A few more here (http://www.kab.freeuk.com/savage.htm)




DubDucedDurango, I think you'll find that plastic bit in the coupler is just the flange off the stock pipe, you definately don't need it in there anymore.

Kev.

[BigBadTahoe]

Ok, thanks I didn't think it was needed. I would also like to mention that I really like my Savage better than my T-maxx 2.5. It handles much better and makes every jump an easy one to clear. I may start racing it soon and if I need to I will get the .26 picco for it. Are there any specific things I would need to use to make the .26 work on the savage, such as what 3 shoe clutch would fit it? Is there anything else? I never installed a nitro engine before so keep that in mind. Thanks!

[NewToNitro]

Still 16 days till i can order my savage :( I cant wait.

[Zorp]

Still 16 days till i can order my savage I cant wait.

Gosh! I hope It ain't hobbypeople you are ordering from?
I saw they where out of stock... and I dont know how long time it will take...
I am going to buy it from there too....

God dam it! Then im going to wait 16 days too... :(

[NewToNitro]

nah im going to order from tower...they better still be in stock when im ready to order. Plus they have a new coupon code 15bucks off woohoo

[Zorp]

Ok...
I'll rather buy from hobbypeople...
Couse' tower wanted me to pay a 25$ fee to fint out how much the shipping price is. hobbypeople said it would be 113$...
So I'll pick the one with the best service! :p

I'm ordering It all the way from Norway, and then i have to shipp it with FedEx...
I'm getting it much cheaper from the USA. actually I'm saving 400$!!!!! :)

[Mossdog]

Originally posted by DubDucedDurango
Ok, thanks I didn't think it was needed. I would also like to mention that I really like my Savage better than my T-maxx 2.5. It handles much better and makes every jump an easy one to clear. I may start racing it soon and if I need to I will get the .26 picco for it. Are there any specific things I would need to use to make the .26 work on the savage, such as what 3 shoe clutch would fit it? Is there anything else? I never installed a nitro engine before so keep that in mind. Thanks!

Go here for all your Savage Answers. :D

http://www.savage-central.com/

[BigBadTahoe]

Good Site!

[northernmadman]

Hi y'all

I just bought the graphite upper and lower arm braces for the Savage 21 and had them shipped over from the US to England since they aren't out here yet..........all seemed fine until I opened the packet and only the 4 lower arm braces came out!

The other two weren't there!

I e mailed HPI in the US no reply

I rang HPI europe who said ring HPI US.....so I did!!!! at great cost! they told me that it would be quicker to go back to the hobby store....so I did.........I rang them...........they told me to go to HPI US as the packet was unopened hence it must have been the suppliers fault.

Not impressed.......HPI I hope you are out there! any chance you can get the missing bits to me?

[kev-b]

Latest pics . . .

http://www.kab.freeuk.com/images/Img_0588.jpg

More here (http://www.kab.freeuk.com/savge.htm)

Kev.

[BigBadTahoe]

Very nice truck! What hopup improved your truck most? And the ne 2nd and 3rd most? Just want to know what I should upgrade next, I only have a hotbodies aluminum pipe and a motorsaver airfilter so far but I have to take care of about 10 other Rc cars and trucks to so I don't get to spoil my savage much.:D

[kev-b]

Couldn't tell you yet, I'm in the same boat as you, too many trucks! :rolleyes: (14 at last count)
I got this one second-hand and totally stock. I wanted to get it well on the way to how I'd like it before I use it, that way it'll feel like 'mine' and not the persons who totally abused it before! (Poor truck)
It definately feels like mine now so it's time to play!! :D
I expect it to go well with the 8 port and the RB pipe.
The HB Racer shocks are very good and stop the truck from looking as if it's 'all shocks' like the stock ones do.
The skids look as if they'll stand up to a lot, as does the tank guard.
Modified hingepins are a great improvement over the stock ones.
As for the practicality of the ally towers and upper arms, time will tell, but they look good. :cool:

Last thing on the list for it is a set of Big Joes, they should be here any day, fingers crossed.

Kev.

[RushMan86]

Hey guys i got a problem and need it fixed fast, Whenever i tighten the slipper nut even if its all the way, after about 2 seconds of running it just completly backs off so the spur just sits there and spins, what is wrong and how do i fix it?

[BigBadTahoe]

You could ethier be missing a part, (so check you manual and compare) or you could try some threadlock where the nut is usually set at.

[RushMan86]

your right i was missing the washer...

[BigBadTahoe]

I hope it works for you now.;)

[RushMan86]

works great...i'm impressed agian ;). Also i want to say anyone who can do it buy the 3 shoe aluminum clutch upgrade. Oh my god is it amazing. I have problems keeping the wheels on the ground. And i'm running the .21bb, its ported but still. Very nice set up and if you don't have it...buy it!

[BigBadTahoe]

Don't aluminum clutch shoes need more maintence done to them? I remember reading somewhere about how the wear different than regular shoes?:confused:

[FrankT]

I just ordered a .21 OS RG-x for my savage...I loved that engine when I had it in my t-maxx...what do you think
Thanks Frank

[Mossdog]

Knowing that the stock Savage rims tend to "round out" rendering them useless I have been diligently switching the tires front to back to lengthen the lifespan of the rims. When bashing I have been checking the wheel nuts between every couple tanks and have been locktiting them regularly, but I still have one rim thats starting to strip.
Looking around my workshop for a fix for the rim I started to prepare some JB weld, then realized I could probably shim the wheel hex to re-center the wheel hexhub into the rim and prevent more stripping!
I used 20 thou shim stock and cut it into rectangles, 0.25 inches long by 0.20 high. The shim pieces fit directly between the gap created by the drive hex beginning to spin in the rim. I used 2 pieces of shim, one on top one on bottom to help keep the drive hex centered in the rim. It sure doesnt look like it will allow the hex to strip any furthur. I guess time will tell, will post an update after I run another half gallon! Hope it works! 8)

[RCfun12]

I've been thinking about getting a Savage but i have a couple of questions. Is the motor reliable? Is it easy to Tune? And is it easy to start?
Plz Help

[metal gear]

yes to all questions

[supra528]

anyone know the specs on the new .25 engine for the new savage??

[NewToNitro]

Originally posted by supra528
anyone know the specs on the new .25 engine for the new savage??

I would assume its a re-badged Ofna force .25

[supra528]

prob... looks good though... i think ill get one.. then i can just bash wit it... not have to upgrade it... and saave my $$$ for my 705...,

[malibu4bbl]

hpiracing.com (http://www.hpiracing.com/index2.htm) http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/savage_ss/SavSSActsidef.jpg

[crono man]

which parts do you guys think should be made out of aluminum in order to make the truck tougher?

[newracer]

Originally posted by crono man
which parts do you guys think should be made out of aluminum in order to make the truck tougher?

none. I have abused mine and broke very little, 2 tanks, 1 tank mount, first generation rear upright (haven't broken one since they were revised) and that's it. my suspension arms have big chunks out of them but haven't broke. the last tank I broke was a 12'+high jump with a distance of about 20' with a very bad landing. the first one I broke while running the truck in 30 degree weather, which made the plastic brittle

[jcole1976]

Does anybody have any tips for rewinding a pull start spring and reassembling the starter

[bomber 1]

http://www.hpiracing.com/walkthroughs/psrebuild1.htm
this should help you out read thrupgh all of it

[FrankT]

here is a picture of my new OS powered savage ,it is awesome ,the truck rip's with this engine.
Frank

[kev-b]

Here's mine with it's new boots on, ready to stomp on whatever it can find . . .
(I see HPI have stolen my colour scheme for their body on the SS!! :rolleyes: )

http://www.kab.freeuk.com/images/sav103.jpg

http://www.kab.freeuk.com/images/sav104.jpg

A few more new ones here (http://www.kab.freeuk.com/savge.htm)

Kev

[kev-b]

ooops! Double post. :o

[RushMan86]

Hey man that body is very sweet lookin along with the big joes. Also I like the idea with the body clips for the pins. Looks really good man!

[BigBadTahoe]

Are those the new Savage SS purple springs? I am wondering when or where they will be avalible since they should probably make a it handle better on the track.:confused:

[NewToNitro]

Originally posted by DubDucedDurango
Are those the new Savage SS purple springs? I am wondering when or where they will be avalible since they should probably make a it handle better on the track.:confused:

Looks like he has the HotBodies race shocks. They come with purple springs.

[ImpulseGTP]

here is mine with the outback welds.:cool: :cool:

[NewToNitro]

Originally posted by RC action1
Hey guys check my message board out! Once i get more members i will get stores up and all.. Lets get it going! Heres the link.. (RCCARACTION im not trying to steal members just though people would like a more organized savage site to post on)

http://pub151.ezboard.com/bsavagestation

not trying to steal anyone from you..


www.savageunleashed.com
www.savage-central.com

just to name a few

[Mossdog]

Mossdogs Savage......more pics at www.mossdog.freeservers.com

[Grifter]

Awesome Trucks guys!

Does anyone go to Trilordy to Download their Videos. Great vids, but for some reason they arent working for me anymore. Anyone have the same problem.

[Razornmt]

i didnt know we could add pcis to posts here. let me try.




http://www.razornmt.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Directory/Kyosho%20Inferno%20MP7.5%20Buggy%20/buggyfly.jpg

[Razornmt]

lemme give that another g0....

[kev-b]

That's a strange looking Savage! ;)

Kev.

[Mossdog]

Trilordy is up, you should beable to download....

[Mossdog]

Trilordy is up, you should beable to download....had a great bash today the savage performed like a champ!

[Grifter]

Trilordy is up but it's just not Downloading the video. It's taking extremly slow, it's usually a fast connection.

[Wyle E. Coyote]

I'm grabbing 2 new savages for my pop and myself. I'm getting the reverse module, and the HiTec HS-645 MG stearing servo, and moving the current stearing servo to the reverse module.

These are just going to be for bashing around, and having some fun. Are there any parts that are almost necessary to get ie, do the tanks need extra protection, does it break shafts etc?

My apologies if this question has been asked and answered.

[Grifter]

You'd probably want to pick up some HPI Heavy Duty Dogbones.

The stock one Break easily.

[malibu4bbl]

Anyone hear any word on when the Savage SS is coming out?

[StevePond]

Hopefully some time in August.

[rc man37689]

drool this (http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/ccp5/cp-app.cgi?usr=50X1772571&rnd=8477657&rrc=N&cip=67.80.85.60&pg=prod&ref=HBUFOMAYHEM&cat=&catstr=HOME:UPGRADES:SAVAGEUP)

[rc man37689]

drooooooolthis (http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/61169-ON-SAVAGE-400px.jpg)

[RushMan86]

very very nice. The rims would looks so much cooler on an extended chassis

[Mossdog]

Originally posted by Wyle E. Coyote
I'm grabbing 2 new savages for my pop and myself. I'm getting the reverse module, and the HiTec HS-645 MG stearing servo, and moving the current stearing servo to the reverse module.

These are just going to be for bashing around, and having some fun. Are there any parts that are almost necessary to get ie, do the tanks need extra protection, does it break shafts etc?

My apologies if this question has been asked and answered.

Wyle E...the Savage is one tough cookie right out of the box. The stock doggies WILL bend, HD dogbones are a must. I have not had a problem with mine. Before you run the trucks, seal up the skidplates where the diffs are with some sealant to prevent dirt from working up into the final gears. Rotate your stock rims from front to back frequently and always be sure your wheel nuts are TIGHT and locktited to prevent the rims from stripping. (I used some shim stock to take up the slop in the rims, but it only prolongs the rims demise). I would also take the time to tighten and seal the backplate. My backplate came loose at around a gallon. The bolts were not locktited by the factory, heck they were falling out! I think that should set you up for some good bashing, have fun with them! Take a look at my website for some savage pics and the rim shim trick.

www.mossdog.freeservers.com

[Godspeed]

Hey there people, i heard from some of my friends who own savages complain about the often stripping of the spur gear on their savages. Has anyone encountered this problem and is there an ultimate solution to this? Thanks for any suggestions.

Cheers. :cool:

[tperkins]

l finally got some pics of my Savage http://www.******.net/member/Wicked_Savage Right now I have Kippster Aluminum, Integy shocks, and a bunch of other stuff. Still a work in progress, next hop up is Vertigo CB chassis plates with center skid.

[Mossdog]

Originally posted by Godspeed
Hey there people, i heard from some of my friends who own savages complain about the often stripping of the spur gear on their savages. Has anyone encountered this problem and is there an ultimate solution to this? Thanks for any suggestions.

Cheers. :cool:

This is the first time I have heard of the spurs stripping. I have over 3 gallons on mine and its perfect and shows little signs of wear/stripping. Improper gear mesh is most likely the cause of the stripped spurs.

[nmtr13]

Whats a good pipe to replace the loud stock one? Also my savage shuts off at half tank alot, why??

[nmtr13]

??? is this forum dead or what???

[kev-b]

http://www.kab.freeuk.com/images/frankensteins_cousin_grave_md_wht.gif

[Dirtwerx]

The stock tank creates a lean running condition below 1/2 tank. There are several theories as to why this happens. My personal theory is that the internal tank volume is so large (The savage tank is much larger than typical) that the pressure line can no longer maintain enough pressure to keep fuel flowing at an adequate rate. The reduced fuel flow causes a lean running condition, which depending on your existing needle settings, can cause the motor to overheat and die.

One way to test this theory would be to install a one way valve on the pressure line. I don't run the stock tank, so I can't test my theory at all.

There are two solutions to the problem. Replace the stock tank with a 125cc Ofna tank, or add a header tank off of a helicopter (so you have 2 fuel tanks.) The installation requires a little ingenuity on the part of the owner, but lots of people have gotten nice results.

check www.savage-central.com for info on both mods.

[nmtr13]

Ok thanks, but now i have another question. When i was running my savage i noticed it was a little sluggish, when i picked it up it looked like the front wheels are moving faster than the rear.

Also my savage isnt shifting, it was shifting fine when the engine was rich but now that im starting to lean it out its not shifting. I tried to adjust the 2 speed to shift earlier but nothing happened so i tightened the set screw back where it was.

Thanks in advance.

[bad viking]

Hi
I think the kit verjon of the Savage looks realy good.
Actualy so good that I want to get one, I just have some simple questions 4 you before I order the truck.
Is there any weak points in the design?
Does it pop whellies? (25 is bigger than 21, and 21 didnt wheelie)
Does the tank fall off easely? (got a little scepic when I saw that it was atached with only 2 body-clips)
Is the engine easy to tune?

This is what I am planning to buy:
The kit truck (go figure)
Airtronics mx-3
The Airtronics 200oz servo(steering)
A Trinity battery pack (6v)
Pro-Line Masher 40 Series Tires
Pro-Line 40 Series Velocity 6 Wheel (Chrome)
And a tube-chassie from New Era.<-----CHECK IT OUT


Will I have a good working truck??

The BAD VIKING

[nmtr13]

1. IMHO there is a weak point in any design.
2. YES, it pops wheelies with the 25, i dont have the 25 but i saw a vid and it was popping wheelies like crazy.
3. Its looks like its gonna fall off, its feels like its gonna fall off, but its not gonna fall off. Its actually very secure.
4. I dont have the .25 so i cant say but i have the .21 and its pretty easy to tune.

You might want to pick one of those 2oz ( i think its 2oz) heli tanks, because of the savage half tank problem.
You'll have a great truck, especially with that steering servo.

[Mossdog]

BAD VIKING..... The newer releases of the Savage are supposed to have the half tank lean out problem solved. I cannot confirm that but have read it on various forums. So the header tank is not necessary. Be sure to monitor your engine temps and if they dont climb at half tank or less, no problems.

I say get a good aftermarket air filter and a fuel filter right off the bat! Unless the SS has 4 spiders in the diffs, a 4 spider diff mod may be a good idea to reign in the power of that .25. I am currently awaiting parts for my diff mod, I am putting 5000WT in the front and 3000WT diff fluid in the rear diff with the additional spider gears and Kyosho diff shafts. Should help keep the front tires planted more firmly when cornering and in general have better performance./reliability. I would seal the diffs by using some sort of sealant between the skidplate and diff (I used the same RTV I use for my backplates and such). Dirt can work its way up into the diff under the skidplate and make short work of the final gears if unmonitored.
The fuel tank will be fine, but there are some cool tankguards on the market for it.
Have fun with that Savage.

[Mossdog]

Oh ya, The Savage is a great truck, very durable but dont try your first few backflips on CEMENT. I have landed a few, but didnt land ONE on CEMENT, here is the end result. My rollbar will never be the same. :D

[nmtr13]

lol what did u do to your engine head???

[racer13]

FrankT your going to come to A-Main and let me drive that bad boy RIGHT?! :D

[bad viking]

Mossdog: The newer releases of the Savage are supposed to have the half tank lean out problem solved.

Ehh, lean out after a half tank?????
Why did it do that?

Bad viking

[bad viking]

how good is the reverse mecansim?

[nmtr13]

Not that good, i dont think you should waste your money on it. Its just added weight.

[Ewan Hoosarmy]

did the tank mod - waiting to try results - also added the Ritter Race Pipe - it rocks!

here be truck

http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/1.jpg

http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/2.jpg

http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/3.jpg

http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/4.jpg

[Grifter]

Awesome Truck Ewan.

How much was the Ritter Racing Pipe, and do you have any pictures of it.

Thanks!

[Ewan Hoosarmy]

hi grifter

got mine from Renegade RC - http://www.renegaderc.com - $48.95.

Although it looks odd to say the least, it has excellent bottom end, and top end is better than stock too, though not quite up to the RB pipes, but then I prefer the low end climbing stuff for MT's.

here be pix:

http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/pipe-002.jpg
http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/pipe-003.jpg
http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/pipe-004.jpg
http://www.geovisionlimited.com/savage/pipe-006.jpg

sorry the quality is not good - need to get better digicam.

later

EH

[ALJR]

hey, i am sorry to be posting this here...

once again, i am really sorry for posting this...

If you know you're not supposed to be posting it here (you said so yourself twice) why did you post it?! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: - Admin

[Mossdog]

Originally posted by bad viking
Mossdog: The newer releases of the Savage are supposed to have the half tank lean out problem solved.

Ehh, lean out after a half tank?????
Why did it do that?

Bad viking

The problem lies in where the pick up is... The fuel pick up is at the front of the tank, under acceleration the fuel can slosh to the rear and cause the engine to suck air, thus leaning it out. Problem solved with the header tank.


I am also making Plastic center skids for the Savage. Weighing in at only 25 grams! Super durable!!!!and cheap!!! check out my webpage for more info.

www.mossdog.freeservers.com

[metalry101]

I don't have a Savage but I've got a question about the aftermarket engines that people run in them. I have a friend who got a Savage a few months ago and he stripped the thing that the glow plug screws into, and of course that part is on backorder till September or something, so he hasn't even driven the thing all summer. As you can imagine he's getting kinda impatient, and he wants to get a new engine. He wants to get the Picco .26, but I don't know how hard parts are to get for that, and how easy it is to tune, etc. I know it's an awesome engine and that the truck flies w/ that in there, but my friend knows jack about r/c because this is his first truck, so I'm worried that he's going to get the new engine and then proceed to blow it up or break something else internal within a few months. So, the question of the day is, what's the best aftermarket engine for a beginner who wants more speed and power, but who needs something reliable and easy to tune? I was thinking maybe the Hyper 8 port might be better for him, or maybe the Force .25. He doesn't need more speed really, but more low end would definately be a good thing.

[doesgo]

The Ofna/Picco .26 is amazingly powerful, the 25 is pretty darn good too, and the 8-port is a nice all-around engine. Unfortunately there are many threads on this board as well as the others (www.savage-central.com is a great one) that discuss the problems people are having with these engines.

Considering the situation (new guy, lack of experience, etc.) I'd STRONGLY recommend an O.S. 21 RG-X. I think everyone whose had one loves it and I don't recall any threads discussing problems with them. They're stronger than the stock engine, people put them on par or slightly below the 25 and 8-port, and it's not as strong as the .26s.

However, O.S. engines are known for their longevity, tuneability, they hold a tune, easy to start, etc. Just overall quality is good with O.S. Should pull wheelies and provide lots of fun.

I just got one and will be breaking it in this weekend, so my recommendation is based on the comments of others, but I expect I'll be singing the praises of the RG-X in a couple days.

[doesgo]

Oh, for more info on this engine, and in case you don't believe me :D , go here: http://www.hpisavageforum.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=38587#post38587

[bad viking]

Hi
I thought about this lean-out problem. Cant you just flip the tank 180 degrees around so the pick up will facing the rear?
I mean; it held in place by bodyclips so this should be no problem!
Or is it not posible?

Bad Viking

[razataz]

Who makes the tank gaurd on your truck?

[doesgo]

Originally posted by bad viking
Hi
I thought about this lean-out problem. Cant you just flip the tank 180 degrees around so the pick up will facing the rear?
I mean; it held in place by bodyclips so this should be no problem!
Or is it not posible?

Bad Viking
No can do, bad viking. The tank isn't the least bit symmetrical.

Oh, and as for the O.S. RG-X I've been recommending, I got mine broken in and I LOVE IT!!! Down with OFNA, long live O.S.! :D

[PumPkinHead]

Hi I just got my savage two weeks ago and I love it!
I was wondering how do you fix the lean problem? What is a header tank?

[doesgo]

Here's one option: http://www.savage-central.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=20

And the more popular "header tank" option: http://www.savage-central.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=17

[Dirtwerx]

Why has the Ofna 125cc tank fallen out of favor for the more complicated dual tank mod? I suppose the added fuel capacity would be nice, but its a lot of work to go through to put a bandaid over the real problem. I run the Ofna tank and find it perfectly acceptable. Run times are lower than with the 160cc tank, but I came from the buggy world, so I am used to the 125cc run times.

I guess the new HPI tank will be the best fix since it preserves the stock mounting location, capacity and should function normally.

As for the Picco, I have mixed feelings on it. I run the motor, but I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner. While I experienced no problems tuning it, some people have had a horrible time getting the motor to run right. I did have a couple fairly significant problem arise with the carb clamp and crankcase sleeve. The carburetor wouldn't fully seat into the crankcase and the stock clamp had to be modified to be functional. I ended up having to RTV seal the carb into the crankcase sleeve because I couldn't get the top o-ring to sit flush with the crankcase. Sloppy machining on the crankcase seems to be the culprit.

On 30% fuel, the motor is quite powerful. I run a 16t clutchbell with the Mugen 3-shoe clutch with an Ofna tuned pipe. Power is instantaneous on the bottom end, and it is very impressive on the top end aswell. Most of the overbored 21's fall flat on the top end, but the Picco keeps pulling.

One issue I am having is with regards to operating temps. I run on a track, and was running harder towards the end of the night. Without changing needles settings, and with a reduction in ambient temperatures, my temps swung over 30 degrees hotter! It seems that if I am gonna run the motor very hard, I have to set it rich and let it come into tune as I drive it.

[doesgo]

Based on the Savage forums, I don't think the Ofna tank has fallen out of favor at all, I just didn't mention it above. It's still a popular mod.

You're right, the loss of capacity is noticeable, but if there were no alternative it'd be quite acceptable. There is an alternative, however. The header tank. It fixes the stock tank's problem as does the Ofna tank, I don't know that one is more of a "Band-Aid" fix than the other.

The header tank mod is cheaper and/or easier to do than the Ofna tank setup (depending on what Ofna tank mount you use) and you not only retain your 160cc capacity, you add another 60cc. And you can run upside-down. Can't do that with the Ofna buggy tank.

Personally, I'm undecided. I did the header tank but had problems. I was getting air in the lines. Based on the considerable success of many others who've done this mod I figure it was a fluke and it'll only cost me about $3 to get another header tank to find out, compared to $12 for an Ofna buggy tank plus a mount for it (or fab one up).

To each their own.

[Ewan Hoosarmy]

from the wildhobbies news item on the soon-to-be-released savage 25 rtr - the fuel tank has been changed to a rear pickup plus filter. I'm hopeful that this fixes the leaning issue.

If any of you guys get hold of one of these new tanks when they come out, give it a try and let us know - I'll do the same - but the UK tends to get things later.

have fun

eh

[StevePond]

Uhhhhh.... from rightonthiswebsite.com there's info on RTR Savage .25 :rolleyes: :D j/k

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139387

[doesgo]

Holy carp! All that for only $20 more than the Savage 21 RTR? Why would ANYONE buy a 21 RTR? They've fixed everything on the Savage except the PITA radio tray, added electric start, and it's only $20 more. Amazing.

Anyone want to buy my RC10GT so I can buy a Savage 25? :D

[Dirtwerx]

Many people who recently purchaced Savage's are kinda pissed about HPI's announcement of the 25 RTR. One possible benefit is that it will drive prices down on the left over 21 RTR's. Ace is down to $360, and I will expect that to go down even further once the 25 RTR hits the street. I'd almost buy a 21 RTR if the price was down near the $300-320 pricepoint.

Here is a pic of my Savage for anyone who's interested.

http://sr20de.homestead.com/files/carpictures/savagebronco2.jpg

It's really huge, so I didn't directly link it in this thread.

There is a good chance that this truck will be for sale in the coming weeks. It has a lot of hop ups and a picco .26 with the brand new Bronco body in the picture. If your interested, let me know. lamouria@mscd.edu

Since there has been no mention of the new "truckzilla" kit from Hotbodies, what do you guys think of that? .46 heli motor, extended chassis, wheels and tires, ect. Good deal or bad? Has anyone heard if the motor is ringed or not? Any ideas on what motor it might be?

[Mossdog]

doesgo, do the header tank mod! Even with the new HPI tank the truck will stall when upside down. At least for me the thing always ends up on its back when its the furthest away! I got some new goodies today, and installed some more I received about a week ago. Ofna Tuned pipe, Ofna mini failsafe and some GPM parts, 3mm chassis, alloy brake disk hub, aluminum steering assembly (silky smooth!)

[tlane77]

I just bought the Savage RTR (my LHS talked me into it). I was getting it ready for break-in, and noticed that the antenna wire is like 2 1/2 feet long, and the tube is like 10 inches long. WHAT THE HELL DO I DO WITH ALL THE EXTRA?

[nmtr13]

Dont pull all of the antenna out of the tube, just pull out enough. Then just stuff the rest in the radio box. DONT cut the antenna.

[Mossdog]

Yep coil up the antenna and leave it in the radio box. If you twist it down the antenna tube on the outside it will get cut in rollovers.

[FrankT]

Hello Everyone,I have 3 question's. if you don't mind helping out.

1-on the fuel tank modifaction,I still have the stock tank in my truck.can you buy the new tank that HPI suppose to come out with on the new truck,or should I just put the Ofna tank in there,but will I need some mounting bracket's.

2-I been reading up on a upgrade that people are doing to there diffs,adding gear's or something.is this a must.will my truck handle better.

3-I have a OS 21 RG-X & RB 86 pipe installed in my savage will I need to change my gearing.I still have the stock gearing in my truck.I also just ordered a set of beadlock wheel's and imex j-hawg tires also if this helps.

:) Thanks Frank

[tlane77]

On the fuel tank question. Go to Savage-central.com and pick up a Hanes 2oz tank. That's what I was told to do. it'll be like $2.99.

[doesgo]

1) I'd just get the Hayes tank. Cheap and effective, and it'll let it run upside-down, too. The OFNA tank is good too, but you'll need a mount for it (more money) and you'll lose capacity and it won't run upside-down.

2) It doesn't affect the handling of the truck, but it can really add to the longevity of the diffs. Basically it's just adding another pair of spider gears and a cross shaft to each diff. The only come with two stock.

3) No need to change your gearing if you don't want to. J-Hawgs are a little shorter than stock tires and the RG-X is a torquey engine so a 15-tooth or 16-tooth bell might suit you better, but you don't NEED to change it. Just change it out if you want to tailor the running characteristics to your type of driving.

[FrankT]

Thanks doesgo for all the info...I got to do some ordering now..

:) Thanks Frank

[FrankT]

Hi does go ,one question how to run the fuel lines on the hayes tank.
Thanks

[Ewan Hoosarmy]

hi fredt

sorry it took a while to answer your query - I hope, this is the answer you need

take the 'line-out' from the main fuel tank and run this to the feeder 'line-in' on the header tank (this will be the one at the top generally). Then take the clunk 'line-out' and run this to the carb input.

essentially you are just putting another tank in line with the original. The idea behind it is that the 'clunk' (which is a weighted tube in the tank), stays always at the bottom of the tank and thus in the fuel, so no bubbles or leaning problems.

To fill the header tank: half fill the main tank, swap the 2 lines on the header tank so clunk line becomes a filler line, remove the line from the pipe at the pipe end, and blow down this pipe to fill the tank.

Sounds complecated I know - but it works.

take note!!!
Be carefull not to flood the engine - you can remove the carb line (carb end) too if you want, and when swapping the lines back, you will spill fuel so just be aware. This is just how I do it.

hope this helps

just as a footnote - when installing the tank, try to protect it as much as possible, maybe put a small metal plate behind it or something - I had a rear-end down jump on mine and put a stick right through the tank - so I have to go get another - but it's only £2

hopefully the new Savage tank will be better and reduce the leaning problem anyway - I expect I will still keep the header mod tho.

bt

[Dirtwerx]

I am gonna go against the grain here and say that the diff mod is absolutely necessary. The mod is more than just adding the additional two gears...it is also replacing the horrible factory screws that hold the diff together. They WILL back out on you....taking your bevel gears out. I have had it happen on past vehicles...and it isn't pretty.

Adding silicone fluid will improve the handling of your truck, and the additional 2 gears will make the diff quite a bit stronger...which is especially important in a MT where you have a lot of situations where the diff "unloads" to one wheel.

The final benefit of doing the diff mod is that you can seal the skid plate to the diff plate, minimizing the amount of dirt that gets into the housing. The diff is completely open on the bottom, so dirt will get in there if you don't seal it.

[doesgo]

I haven't had my diff screws back out, but it sounds like maybe I'm one of the lucky few.

I didn't mean to minimize the benefits of the diff mod at all, I think it's a very good idea and cheap to do. I also neglected to mention filling the diffs with diff oil too, but I didn't consider that part of the diff "mod", I'd do that with or without the additional side gears and cross shaft.

By the way, to do the mod, I bought these cross shafts (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXT505) and two sets of these HPI gears (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXDLD4). You could use the HPI cross shafts and skip the Kyosho ones, but you'd have to machine the shafts for the recess so they can fit together. I decided I'd rather spend the $7 or whatever on new shafts.

[crono man]

hey guys i was wondering which aluminum parts help out in the durability departement
i was thinking of getting these parts
-alloy bulkheads
-alloy shock tower
-alloy diff case

To they all help to make the savage more durable?which ones would you recommend?
any other alloy parts suggestion would be of a great help!

[FrankT]

Thanks again everyone for all the info...really help's
Frank

[doesgo]

Originally posted by crono man
hey guys i was wondering which aluminum parts help out in the durability departement
i was thinking of getting these parts
-alloy bulkheads
-alloy shock tower
-alloy diff case

To they all help to make the savage more durable?which ones would you recommend?
any other alloy parts suggestion would be of a great help!
Shock towers and bulkheads are nice since they minimize flex and might save a shock or a fuel tank here and there. Not sure about the diff cases, I'm still running my original stock ones after several gallons of abuse.

Aluminum uprights are kind of nice, but since HPI updated their plastic ones, they're really quite strong and I personally wouldn't spend the money. Can't really think of much else!

[FrankT]

one thing on the diff mod, does it matter which brand diff oil you use.I see that on savge central they use the ofna,but I have some GS silicone diff oil left over from when I did my storm's diff.
Thanks

[doesgo]

Originally posted by FrankT
Thanks again everyone for all the info...really help's
Frank
This site is nice for good Savage information, but a couple others you might want to check out are www.hpisavageforums.com and www.savage-central.com. Tons of info there!

[doesgo]

No, the brand doesn't matter. Probably all comes from the same vat anyway. I've got some OFNA, some GS Racing, and some AE diff and shock oil. I use whatever is convenient.

[FrankT]

Thanks...save some money

[CRSMP5]

off HPi's webpage

This Monday night (September 15), check out the latest Monster Garage episode on the Discovery Channel! This episode, labeled "El Camino/Figure 8 Race Car" features Jesse James of West Coast Choppers and his crew converting a vintage El Camino Super Sport into a real Figure 8 race car! It also shows off the capabilities of the Savage monster truck in the hands of the Monster Garage team members! HPI staff members brought six Savage monster trucks to Jesse's garage in Long Beach, California, bringing out Jesse's neighbors and even the Long Beach Police Department!

[Mossdog]

The Kyosho diff shafts are difficult to get and are on backorder at many places. The GS Storm bevel gear sets come with notched diff shafts that are exactly the same as the Kyosho ones. They cost a little more because they come with some crappy pot metal bevel gears, but the shafts are all that is necessary out of the package.

Gs part number is GSCST008

[sport coupe]

my question is how do u post a pic? if anyone can hel me it would be much helpfull.:D

[kurtis]

I have a savage 21 and i just bought a roto start and i have gone through about 3 one way bearings because of this, and it is starting to get expensive. does anyone have a solution.
when i drive and the engine stalls its very hard to get running again, but its not over heating. i have a Venom on board digital temp guage. Please help:confused:

[doesgo]

Originally posted by sport coupe
my question is how do u post a pic? if anyone can hel me it would be much helpfull.:D
You have to have the picture hosted somewhere and then you enter a link to it here in this forum for it to show up. There are some free hosting sites out there, but ususally you can't do remote linking to them, they require you to actually go to their site to see the pics so they can throw advertising at the viewer.

If you don't have luck elsewhere, send me an e-mail or PM and I might be able to help out.

[doesgo]

Originally posted by kurtis
I have a savage 21 and i just bought a roto start and i have gone through about 3 one way bearings because of this, and it is starting to get expensive. does anyone have a solution.
when i drive and the engine stalls its very hard to get running again, but its not over heating. i have a Venom on board digital temp guage. Please help:confused:
I never had much luck with the one-ways either, but word is if you only hold the trigger for 1-second bursts, then let go, then try again, then let go, etc. the one-way will last.

What engine are you running? The Force 25 is pretty notorious for hot-start problems. Some people seem to have better luck by holding the throttle halfway open when pulling or cranking, but be careful when trying that, your Savage can get away from you when it starts!

[kurtis]

one second bursts might help, i'm running the stock .21bb untill i get this tuning thing figured out then on to bigger and better things. no point wrecking an expensive high proformance motor
with a rookie like me cranking and cranking. some guys at the hobby shop said once i get it all tuned it should start within 3 pulls. by the way what is the best upgrade? I was told the XTM.247 is supposed to be good but i want the most power.

[Ewan Hoosarmy]

best power block is team orion wasp .26 or picco ofna outlaw .26 - monster torque for a good price, direct fit, even compatible with the rotostart - but I suggest breaking engine in using the pullstart and then putting on the rotostart, the compression when new is pretty intense:eek: .

I have the team orion wasp with the black lsn - I have found it easy to tune and runs really well all day - I have changed the gearing to 18t clutch and 49t spur - geared for higher speed and more low end control, but still easy to lift the wheels on demand with insane top speed!!!:D It's a pretty good idea to change the bones to the stronger ones - HPI do a set of high strength ones. I'm also working on a four super shock setup (rather than eight) - to improve handling. They will be bigger, fatter shocks, much tougher and easy to tune.

bt out

[doesgo]

Yes, a properly tuned and primed engine should start in less than five pulls, usually one or two. Easier said than done, of course!

What engine to upgrade to? That's a huge question. How much money do you have? The Rex P5 is awesome, but I don't think you can get a pullstarter on it. The RB Concepts C5 is rather insane, and you can get Unlimited Engineering to put a pullstarter on it, but I think you're looking at at least $400 for the total bill. An RB WS7 is also great, but you're probably at $350 with a pullstart conversion.

Back to the "real" world, the Ofna/Picco .26 is probably the strongest pullstart engine for under $200 (the Wasp .26 is the same engine). They're proving to be relatively reliable, but not top-notch in that department. The XTM 24.7, 24.7 Pro and .21 Pro are quite powerful based on what I've read, and probably are the most reliable engines of their caliber. They have a new Pro engine out, the v2.1 or something that's supposed to be even better. As a result, the regular .21 Pro can be had for $99 from Hobby People which is a screamin' deal, but I'm not sure if you can get a pullstart version or not.

http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/146025.asp

There are several other engines in the $100-$150 range, but I personally won't buy another OFNA engine, too many problems. For power, reputation, and cost, I'd probably go with an XTM 24.7, either this one:
http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/146027.asp
or this one if you have the money:
http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/146030.asp

[sport coupe]

http://www.2quicknovas.com/bruce/oldsavage1.jpg


i have done several things to her. i had a custom airbrushed bod from tamduze. i bought aluminum rims that are adjustable from 1/4 to 1 1/8 offset.i bought a msj cooling head,rear diff.,shock covers,tune pipe.
:D

[kurtis]

can any one tell me what they run for needle adjustments on there stock savage 21 carb. mine likes to run hot but when it's only a 250 it bogs and i can't get any acceleration out of it. and when it stalls good luck starting it.

[kurtis]

how much diffrence did the tuned pipe make?

[GA Maxx]

decided to liven this forum up, extended tvps have gone on since picture

im after some Jumbo Kongs, found em cheap, but performance is going tosuffer

Oh i also run an Air Tronics Mx-3 radio, a few more parts since pics

its not as shiney either ;)

So far ive spent $2000

the Power :D

http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=2662

http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=2663

http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=2664

http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=2672

http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=2673

http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=2674

[munim]

Hello all of you Savage owners!I am wondering, would you guys be interested in high performance brakes?I was looking around at what was available before I thought about selling these ones and there really aren't any (good ones) available, unless you think titanium is a good material for brakes,LOL.Before I get into it, would you people be interested?

[MORTER MAN]

Sorry wrong form:rolleyes:

[munim]

^----Was that directed at me?

[need4speed4]

Hey guys, this is a really random question... I was just wondering if someone could please tell me the ride height(from ground to bottom of chassis/tvp) I'm trying to decide on a savage ss or monster gt, and I want to compare the two's spec's. but the savage's ride height is not mentioned on hpi's site. Thanks in advance...

-Tom

[cbr74]

I'll see if I can dig up a ruler... for now, you can get a basic idea of the two from this pic:
http://groups.msn.com/cbr74spictures/hobbyroom.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=161

MGT at left, Savage at far right.

[sport coupe]

must be nice to have all those toys. i wish i could afford all them.:)

[eurylokhos]

It's funny you'd ask about the ground clearance, I just made 2 display stands, one for my Savage and one for my new MGT. To the bottom of the front and rear skids, THe Savage needs a 5" stand, and the MGT needs a 6" stand to have the tires 1" off the ground. So, Sav 4", MGT 5". Those are both with no weight on the wheels, with the suspension at full extension. About half fo the difference comes in tire height, the other half is greater suspension down travel.

[1Badsavage]

Hey! Does anybody have that sweet-looking Tsais side pipe? What's the exhaust tone like? I want something that makes it deeper.

[shift fast]

There is a sound clip at www.savage-central.com I think

[1Badsavage]

Thats friggin awesome!!!!! Thanks!:D

[ALJR]

Originally posted by kurtis
can any one tell me what they run for needle adjustments on there stock savage 21 carb. mine likes to run hot but when it's only a 250 it bogs and i can't get any acceleration out of it. and when it stalls good luck starting it.

needle setting vary from region.. altitude, airtemp, fuel/glo plug used all play factors in engine tuning..

it sounds like your low end needle is set to rich. turn it in 1/8 turn at a time till it accelerates good.. a rich low end needle will also make the engine hard to start...

[KoE]

the stock spur melted after some climbing n bashing. what could be wrong? meshing too tight? the slope wasn't steep, perhaps slippery that's all. it was just low speed climb. all the rest is stock parts. :mad: :confused: :mad:

[eurylokhos]

Yeah, that happens, you really have to lock down the slipper. If it's too loose you lose a lot of power and melt the spur. Once you get it REALLY torqued down, you'll see a huge difference in power, as well.

[1Badsavage]

I was thinking about doing an Ice Cream Truck Body just for fun, using the pro-line body shown here:
http://www.prolineracing.com/proline/bodies/3107/3107.html
Or maybe i could do a UPS truck.:p

[newnitrofan]

Ok so I am a little bit new to the savage 21 just got mine used this weekend off of ebay and well I got a good deal and a not so good deal. I have fixed all the problems with the truck thus far. My current problem is with the rotostart. The switch is seriously all jacked up and the part that sticks in the back plate of the motor well it is missing one of the parts on it. I am wondering if HPI will take care of it for me. I dunno I have a lot of HPI crap that would be cool if they did. Hope all is well for everyone. Here is my new baby.
http://www.rcnitrotalk.com/gallery/data/500/2321SAVAGE_PICS_003.jpg

[eurylokhos]

Nice..... You're showcasing the Natty. :D

As for broken parts, I'd try HPI, They may warranty the switch, and the start shaft. It's worth the phone call. The only thing I see as a big stumbling block is that you bought your stuff used and don't have a receipt from a dealer.

[newnitrofan]

Hey people,

What a dead thread. So where is everyone running their needles for the stock 21BB. I ran mine for the first time tonight and the motor was smoking kind of bad. I don't know if it was running too lean or what but smoke was coming off of the head so I shut it down. However I had a great deal of smoke coming out of the pipe no problems. Later

[eurylokhos]

I don't know about the needles, as I stopped running the .21bb a while back (but I do remember that it was close to the stock settings listed in the manual), the smoke problem is interesting. If I were guessing, you're running the engine needles close to where they should be, or rich, since you are getting good smoke from the exhaust. The smoke coming from the head sounds like you got something on the head which was burning off. Other than that, maybe you had a leak on the exhaust header shooting exhaust on the head.

[newnitrofan]

Eury thanks for the post. I am finding more and more that it is hard to find anyone using or anyone with practical experience with the stock 21. Oh well, I found all of the needle settings on HPIracig.com and I am going to make sure I go back to stock and try to tune from there. Later

[eurylokhos]

No problem, I know that when I was using mine, whenever I had a problem, using the stock settings always fixed it. I don't know why, but I seem to have a habit of fiddling with my engine too much :) Also, the .21bb is a nice engine, I used it for about 2 gallons, and only replced it because I wanted something else to play with. It seems like too many people judge an engines performance before it's really broken in. The .21bb really came alive just after a gallon.

[Needler56]

what weight silicone oil (if applicable) are you using for the differentials? i added 3,000 in the rear and 5,000 in the front. i've been told to go 7,000 in the front. would you be able to feel the difference between the two when you spin the wheels or no?

[VMach]

Are you racing it on a prepared off-road track? You might notice it if you've been driving for a long time. Look for the front end to pull harder coming out of turns.

[newnitrofan]

You shouldn't be able to really notice a difference. If you are a track racer or even just a back yard basher those should be just fine. I am using 5k front and rear and it has been working well so far. Although since I have startet posting in this thread I have been doing some amazing hop ups. I might even be able to graduate to the SS or S-25 thread LOL some pics

http://nitrofan.net/images/SAVAGE%20PICS%20063.jpg
http://nitrofan.net/images/SAVAGE%20PICS%20181.jpg
http://nitrofan.net/images/SAVAGE%20PICS%20069.jpg
http://nitrofan.net/images/SAVAGE%20PICS%20058.jpg

[Nitro41]

Nice truck!:D

[nuespeed]

My friends Savage in Texas was stolen from his storage building. It's a stock savage but has no decals on the stock body/(minimum stock decals) and the Savage has a roto start. on the .21 it's otherwise stock.. Keep an eye out thanks. He's informed the Pawn shops and the hobby shop to keep an eye out. He said not many have savages in that area only Tmaxxes. I'll let you know his exact city soon...

[rayzor267]

Any Ideas on why my tranny won't shift into second? I reved it up and no shifting,

[RCfun12]

Is the savage any good
hows the engine is it reliable and easy to tune. I'm thinking about getting one

[always_opencarb]

what are the best hop ups or most needed? iam thinking of getting one

[Raul Garcia]

what are the best hop ups or most needed? iam thinking of getting one
CHeck out the RCX spot on this forum. We are tricking out some Savage's there.
http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/forumdisplay.php?f=362

[Needler56]

how do i set the 3rd channel for the reverse module?

[DT-10 basher]

has anyone seen the new 3.5 rtr, any opinions on it?

[Needler56]

anyone have any experience with the aluminum threaded shock set by hpi and/or know the specs on them? thanks

[nitro_newbie]

i know this thread has been dead for a while but i have gotten a an ofering for a savge .21 it looks in good condition has nice custom body and engine runs really good. he wants 250 for it and i was like pretty neat and that would save me lots of money inst4ead of dumping 600 dollars for a 4.6 ss that i really dont need. i also plan to buy a new servo the diff cups and the 4 gear mod and reverse and other misalanious stuff. andi wopuld still be under the 400 mark and it also has the roto-start too. is this a good deal? thanx and sorry for the bringing up of this thread again.
nitro_newbie
also what were the short comings of the savage .21? thanxx again

[nitro_newbie]

my savage is for sale in the for sale or trade forum

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=242752