Trinity/Team Magic G4 Nitro forum

[StevePond]

New for the summer of 2003 is the Nitro G4 from Team Magic. The nitro G4 is the culmination of a year of intense on track testing resulting in the latest in 1/10 nitro touring car technology.

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The G4 main design goal was to get everything as low as possible to the ground. To achieve this the two speed has been made 2/3 the size of other two speeds in current cars. This allows this spinning mass of weight to be lower to the ground and center the mass more towards the shaft it spins on. The clutch size has been dramatically reduced down to 30mm to give the G4 great acceleration and driveability. The front and rear differentials and or front one-way have been lowered through the chassis to get the proper dog bone angle and keep the mass low. Both servos have been laid down on the chassis to further lower the center of gravity.

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To make it easy to adjust the front and rear use blade type roll bars for easy adjustment and features a cam on one side to aid in keeping the car balanced right to left after installing the sway bars. The G4 also features threaded shock bodies for easy ride height adjustment.

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The G4 is offered in two trim levels: Racer and Pro. Below is a list of features for each kit. (Neither kit includes: Transmitter, receiver, servos, engine, manifold, pipe, receiver pack, switch harness, air filter or body.)

Racer Kit: Part # 502011 - $449.99
- Hard coated, threaded, aluminum shock bodies.
- Light weight two speed
- Vented brake disk with brake cam bearings.
- Low drag belts.
- Light weight dirt scavenging pulleys.
- Light weight pivot balls and two speed shaft.
- Ball bearings throughout.
- 3mm aluminum chassis and
- 2mm aluminum radio plate.
- Low CG front and rear differentials.
- 5th body post.
- Low CG fuel tank and
- 30mm three shoe clutch.
- Front and Rear Gear Differentials

Pro Kit: Part # 502061 - $599.99
- Hard coated, threaded aluminum shock bodies.
- Light weight two speed.
- Vented brake disk with brake cam bearings.
- Low drag belts.
- Light weight dirt scavenging pulleys.
- Light weight pivot balls and two speed shaft.
- Ball bearings throughout.
- 3mm aluminum chassis.
- Carbon fiber radio plate.
- Low CG rear differential and front one-way.
- 5th body post.
- Low CG fuel tank.
- 30mm Centax clutch.
- Front and Rear sway bars with aluminum mounts.
- Front One-way and Rear Gear Differential.

Available June 2003

[Nightz]

The price for let alone the racer kit is a lil more than what the average consumer would fork out, don't you think?

[AreCee]

Those are the retail prices and look like they're in line with the other kits out in the market.

[KronicRacer]

k factory and team magic both collaborated on this car.... i first saw it here www.the-border.com 2 months ago its not available yet....

[tallyrc]

great, another car designed for perfectly manicured race tracks, not parking lots where the vast majority of us race. one rock in there and it's an hours work to fix it. the same reason i sold my yokomo gt-4 and now own a nitro tc3. not a faster car in the world, and the easiest to clean and maintain.

[Canada]

I agree

[fastharry]

I also agree..my tc3 is the best car I own,and I own them all...

but if you think you love it on Rubber tires,you try foams ona prepared race track...I had the pleasure of running in a 1/8th scale track.....it was great!!!!!..(btw,4th amain..30 minute main,,edison NJ ROAR region 2)...,

[rocketguy]

I've driven this car, and trust me when i say that it basically drives itself.

[fastharry]

g4 or tc3?

[rocketguy]

both. The tc3 does rule.. but I would hate to see people pass judgment before they take the controls. Everything is a copy of everything else in the RC world. Just look at the tmaxx. If someone tries to make a monster truck, it's either a tmaxx or an 8th scale buggy with big tires.

[InspGadgt]

This is sweet!...Not totally new concepts but they've refined them further than anyone else yet. laying down both servos instead of just one, bladed style sway bar in the rear instead of just the front. The one thing I wonder is how hard is it to get to the diff pulleys to work on them. That's one of the best design features of the new HPI car. Easily accessable diffs.

[synapse75]

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[munim]

The electronics and pipe are really just hanging out there, of course, it's all for the better performance but if that car gets T-boned, you get the idea. But it's a prototype so they'll probably add nerf bars or something like that.

[synapse75]

what onroad cars come equipped with nerf bars??

[tekrsq]

I don't like the way the rx sits out there either......Anyone know what kind of engine is on the one in the link Synapse posted?

[fastharry]

all these cars have something hangin out,somewhere(that may be the tc3's BIG advantage;) )......

My veteq took a solid hit Sun....one RB in line pipe,toast..100 bucks please...

thats racin...and like cars that break when they hit boards,or you crash in the middle of a corner and get t-boned,thats your own fault..

I race 2wd buggy and rally all winter...1/8th off road(kanai) and on road(veteq)...and tues nite touring(tc3 and iimpulse),...and ROAR region 2 races....guess what I've learned..

you betcha...don't crash or get hit..

[synapse75]

tekrsq

its a nova rossi, with some kind of after market head.

[KingWillie]

is there a big difference in the pro and racer?

and which should you use if u race all day?:confused:

[hpijoepro2]

trinity rules, there for this car rules:cool:

[KingWillie]

Originally posted by KingWillie
is there a big difference in the pro and racer?

and which should you use if u race all day?:confused:

My son decided to use my log on, no need to respond. Thanks

[codeman]

Any more info on this kit?

When is it expect to hit retail; late June or so? Can't wait ... I have an MTX3, love it, awesome car ... but I've been eyeing this kit for a little while now; if its worth it it WILL be mine.

That blue heatsink looks absolutely awesome! GOtta find a European distributor and order one up :P

Anybody driven the kit yet?

[codeman]

well thats good to hear; personally I'll be buying one as soon as I can manage. It looks like an awesome car; and sadly having just bought the MTX3, and while I love the car ... I'm just too tempted by the G4 :D

Espcially, considering it looks like it has easily accesible/top loading diffs which would be GREAT as the mugen is a pain in the butt to get at everything to clean ... have to take the entire thing apart to get at all the drivetrain parts.

If i could just pop out a few screws, and have immediate access to the diff and diff bearings it would be heaven! cleaning will never be the same.

MTX3 is great, but like I said .. a real pain to gut, clean then fully assemble again.

Once interesting thing, is the steering rack .. I wonder how well that 'floating' rack will hold up with dirt? If you get dirt on the guides, whats stopping it from chewing up the rack that controls the linkage? I can't se how it would be as smooth as a more direct ball bearing steering rack ...

[jia_zhuang]

Didn't take you long to start posting about the G4 CODY!!! U just got the dame MTX3 man LOL. Oh well, u can give it to me if u want. I don't mind spending some TCL on the MTX3 if u don't want to LOL. Joke.

[codeman]

hahaha, you caught me! punk, always wanting my Mugen aren't ya? :D

I want a kit that handles as well as my MTX3, looks as cool if not better(G4 with that crazy heatsink head :) ) and is easily(easier perhaps) maintainable.

This wrench from dusk till dawn after a run gets old fast, and you start to leave your car full of crap after about the 6th full rebuild. Its just too much work, for an hour total of racing. Too much work on the car, and timevs.money spent on the actual hobby itself is crazy.

More fun, less work!!

[bighurt98]

You are saying you want to get the G4 because the MTX 3 has to be taken apart to clean? That is the case with all cars if you are going to clean to that detail. Have you ever thought of using an airhose to blow your MTX 3 off?? Walmart has a small aircompressor for around $100 does the trick!

If you have a MTX 3, you have a winner car. If you have a TC3, you have a winner car. At least trade into something because you dislike the car for it's driving features, weight, something; NOT because it is tough to clean. That is very weak!!

The only car at this time I wouldn't recommend to anyone is the 705. To expensive, parts outrageous, and plenty of small headaches when racing, meaning, always something coming loose, getting out of ajustment to name a couple. Friend had to replace the bearings throughout the car because they began freezing up.

This new G4 seems to be a solid car, but performance is the answer to any racer. How does it compare to the MTX 3, TC3, 705, Vision, or even old trinity car. Hopefully it has great results in comparison and becomes another viable option to compete with the other great cars out there.

[codeman]

I agree with that you're saying; to an extent. I don't mind at all selling my kit to somebody else who would die to have a Mugen, and buying a G4. OR keeping it and having a second kit.

And you know what? I would sell my Mugen (no matter how great it is; because you know what? it IS a great car) for a kit that could shave off an hour or more of cleaning ...

The air compressor doesn't really clean your car dude, you still have to get in there with a toothbrush and clean off any movings parts as best as you can. It speeds up cleaning the chassis, arms etc. but you still need to go over it again anyways.

What does anybody have to lose? You get a guy who gets a top level kit for cheap, or I keep it and have a second kit to have (nothing wrong with that either!) .... eitherway dude, alot of people have more than one kit... you jealous mommy won't give you a bigger allowance? ;) hehe jokes

Take it easy guys .. and lets hear some more thoughts about the G4 if there are any more :rolleyes:

[TSR6]

The mugen is very easy to clean, imho. It's called a $6 gallon of Denatured Alcohol, a $2 spray bottle, and an air compressor.

No need for a toothbrush. :rolleyes:

[codeman]

and that will clean off your bearings, even the cheap metal shielded ones included in the front end?

if so, then I mays well invest in it

I don't see how you clean off your bearings, pivot balls, and ball ends without some good old elbow grease and a toothbrush :)

anyways boys, you can't deny the G4 is easier to get at ... you dorks are just jealous i have an MTX3 and don't care to keep it with me as much as you may, its just an RC car I'll buy what I want thank you very much :) .. I'll also bet my car is in much better shape after every run than yours. I've run mine about 17 times since i've gotten it, guys at the track and the LHS asked me If I had run it yet after bringing it there for the first time 2 weeks ago at the race.

Anyways, you can all go eat pooh ;) haha have fun fanboys!

[KingWillie]

Access to the diffs on the G-4 is something new in the 1/10 scale class, we'll have to wait and see how well it actually works.

[codeman]

definitly Willie; and I don't think they chose to design the kit with 'easy access' diffs for nothing. Its pretty obvious many users are complaining of the same thing I am. Ease of use/maintainablility.

Uhmmm, I also recall the HPI R40 stating that was one of their main design goals, and they too designed their kit with top access diffs.

Make sense? Thought so. :D

Guys I feel sorry for your cars, if all you do is spray it down everytime and never get around to cleaning all the 'crevases' and spots that really matter. Ie. bearings, outdrives,cvd joints, linkage. Denatured alcohol sprayed on a kit isnt going to do anything about those spots.

Get with the 'top loading' program ;) haha

[KingWillie]

I was looking at the new HPI's pictures, it looks to address this very well also.

[superspeed]

Originally posted by hpijoepro2
trinity rules, there for this car rules:cool:


Honestly, Joe Johnson and Josh Cyrul spent tons of time to design this car and make improvements from the Reflex. Credits should be given to these guys, not the brand T.

[KingWillie]

Originally posted by superspeed
Honestly, Joe Johnson and Josh Cyrul spent tons of time to design this car and make improvements from the Reflex. Credits should be given to these guys, not the brand T.

Who do they work for, who gave them the opportunity to do this? Who did the CAD drawings, who built the prototypes for the parts, who put the manufacturing together. I don't think either one of them would call this a garage built car. The "T" people deserve the credit for hiring and supporting their efforts at the very least. Other wise they would be about as likely to succeed at this as you would be on your own. Cheers. Hope it goes as well as everyone thinks it is going to.:)

[herbster]

We received the first batch of G4's this morning and they are looking very good. Parts fitting and the instruction manual is excellent (after building 40% of the car right now). My collegae Michel is working the whole night to assemble the first car.

Some first pictures of the contents of the box (at the bottom of the page) you'll find at : http://shop.the-border.nl (http://shop.the-border.nl/customer/product.php?productid=16634&cat=&page=)

[codeman]

How is the plastic?

also how about the steering rack? :) is it as cool as the CAD pics, and how well does it seem to function .. man do I like the look of this kit. I wonder how good parts supply will be though around where Im at :S

[ChrisMi6]

From your pics, it looks like the rear diff is the only "top-loading" one. So is the front top-loading too?

[herbster]

Originally posted by codeman
How is the plastic?

also how about the steering rack? :) is it as cool as the CAD pics, and how well does it seem to function .. man do I like the look of this kit. I wonder how good parts supply will be though around where Im at :S

The plastic is very OK, comparable to the quality of cars like the MTX-3. Fitting of parts is also excellent. The car is very easy to assemble...

[iplaydu]

I am thinking about purchasing the NT Team car
to upgrade from my 4-tec and allow me to race more.

but I am now looking at the G4 from Trinity as well.

what is the main difference I will see between the two...
if they were raced side by side with Sirio Nitro .12 and
Airtronics M8 Electronics installed.

[iplaydu]

I am thinking about purchasing the NT Team car
to upgrade from my 4-tec and allow me to race more.

but I am now looking at the G4 from Trinity as well.

what is the main difference I will see between the two...
if they were raced side by side with Sirio Nitro .12 and
Airtronics M8 Electronics installed.

[herbster]

We tested the G4 on our hometrack yesterday. Did very well for the first time : very good roll, and lots of steering. The supplied setup in the instruction manual was not the right one for our medium-bite track. Building this car took us more time than a NTC3. But for the first batch : the kit was complete, no parts missing...

Things to keep in mind when building the car, take your time for the steering servo part, space is very limited due to the very low radio plate. Also space for your receiver is very limited. Our PCM receiver which was supplied with the Futaba 3PK receiver fitted nearly (but OK).

Tomorrow we're testing at a brandnew track here. Keep you informed.

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The Border
http://shop.the-border.nl

[morlock]

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Originally posted by superspeed
Honestly, Joe Johnson and Josh Cyrul spent tons of time to design this car and make improvements from the Reflex. Credits should be given to these guys, not the brand T.
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Who do they work for, who gave them the opportunity to do this? Who did the CAD drawings, who built the prototypes for the parts, who put the manufacturing together. I don't think either one of them would call this a garage built car. The "T" people deserve the credit for hiring and supporting their efforts at the very least. Other wise they would be about as likely to succeed at this as you would be on your own. Cheers. Hope it goes as well as everyone thinks it is going to.


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Guys, hate to burst your bubble, but I am not sure trinity or Josh Cyrul spent a lot of time engineering this car.

What make you think they did? - when in fact, the car is made by TEAM MAGIC.

The Chinese company which also ownes K-factory. Trinity is likely just the importer. I could believe that maybe Team MAgic received some feedback from some of the drivers such as Cyrul (amazing driver), but it appears they were looking at the trends such as the MTX-3 and came up with some nifty improvements and trick parts. Remember Trick parts is what K-factory is known for. NOt a criticism of the car - I might buy one myself - just a critique of your logic.

If you want to gice credit where credit is due - give to those engineers at Team Magic/k-factory. Just give the guys at trinity a little kudos for picking a winner -

[InspGadgt]

The name Team Magic comes from "Magic Joel Johnson" as he was called when he was on top of the racing world. It is part of Trinity and I believe Jim Dieter has a lot to do with the subsiderary as well.

[StevePond]

Originally posted by morlock
Guys, hate to burst your bubble, but I am not sure trinity or Josh Cyrul spent a lot of time engineering this car.
...Just give the guys at trinity a little kudos for picking a winner -

Morlock, you are ill-informed. Trinity Team drivers Joel Johnson and Josh Cyrul had a significant influence on the design of the G4. Yes, Team Magic does the manufacturing and I'm sure they did a significant amount of design of their own, but to suggest the guys at Trinity only had a minor role in design and are just the importers isn't accurate at all. Not flaming - just passing along what I know from conversations with those involved in the project.

[morlock]

Originally posted by StevePond
Morlock, you are ill-informed. Trinity Team drivers Joel Johnson and Josh Cyrul had a significant influence on the design of the G4. Yes, Team Magic does the manufacturing and I'm sure they did a significant amount of design of their own, but to suggest the guys at Trinity only had a minor role in design and are just the importers isn't accurate at all. Not flaming - just passing along what I know from conversations with those involved in the project.

Steve,

Don't doubt your knowledge. I would assume your contacts know better. From antithesis comes synthesis - and usually the truth.

Seems like credit should be well distributed amongst the parties.

I think there should be enough to go around from such a nice kit.

So Steve, more impotantly - when can we expect a competition tourer shoot out? Or should we just wait for the results of the upcoming ROAR race at Revelations this weekend?

Look at the field now. Mtx-3, ntc3, G4, v-one-rr Evo, GS vision (don't knock it), HPI R40 . . . . did I miss anything else? Time for a new thread - - - ?

[RC Demon]

just recieved my G4 kit today, looks very promissing. I can't wait to put it together, looks like i'm gonna pull an all nighter. I love my kyosho cars but i think i have a new favorite.

that is until i get my hands on the evo and the fw-05r :D

[StevePond]

Originally posted by morlock
when can we expect a competition tourer shoot out? Or should we just wait for the results of the upcoming ROAR race at Revelations this weekend?

I think the results from the race will help to form opinions, and I also think there's enough new stuff to justify a guide or shootout of some sort, but it's a big and difficult undertaking. We'll see... ;)

And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Philly's Finest]

anyone have this car? what's it like?

[fongsteve]

Does it come with a clutch type 2 speed?

[SuperDude]

I bought one of the G4. It is my first real racing nitro car :D Its was farily easy to build, but i had a little trouble with the shocks. either then that it was a breeze, it took me 3 days (4hrs/day)
I put in a new STS RS5 turbo in it :P and i just starter to break the engine in, this engine has super crazy compression :D The piston got stuck on second tank of gas :o but i unjammed it, and i cant wait to get it on the road!! i would recommend this car to a person who want to race, The car looks very appealing, i owned a NTC3 b4 and the G4 looks and setup is way better in my opinion :D

[fongsteve]

Any one? Does it come with a Finger type or Clutch type 2 speed?

Thanks in advance

[SuperDude]

clutch type

[Coconut]

Anyone read on ask Josh thread on trinity site that he has quit trinity. He say that he doen't expect his post to last long on the site ;so sounds like it may not have been a good parting.

[SuperDude]

hi

I got the New G4, i put an a New 2003 model STS RS5 'outlaw' motor :) its flys!!

pics here

http://www.pbase.com/g4racer

[RCNitroDude999]

Is there any possibility of the belt coming off the rear diff? From the pics it looks like it could slide off the left side (when viewed from the rear) if it sways to much.......

[nickko]

http://www.teammagic.com.tw/images/joshaustralia2.jpg

Josh's K Factory G4

[RCNitroDude999]

Sup dudes. I just placed my order for a G4 Pro kit yesterday. Should be in middle of next week.....can't wait!:D

[RC_Alan]

RCNitroDude999... Did you get your G4 yet??? I got one last week myself and hands down, this car is awesome!!! I have a NTC3 and the HPI R40 and after driving all three.. The G4 beats the others hand down... The NTC3 is still a good and is easy to work on and set up... The R40 is still way to heavy when compared to the other two and where are the Hop-ups HPI??? The G4 cost of up keep is more then the others though so keep that in mind. But when set up correctly and dialed in, the car will almost drive itself...:D

[RCNitroDude999]

Yep, I've had it for a week, but I am still short a motor and servos. I am upgrading to a Futaba 3PJS PCM next week, and I have an RDLogics pipe on the way. As for the motor, I'm most likely getting the ROAR legal Novarossi .12 black pixi, and airtronics servos. Did you have any trouble with the brake calipers rubbing the screws that held the brake disk on the shaft when building your G4? I had to end up grinding about a millimeter off the calipers, I checked it many times to make sure everything was right before I did this.

[RC_Alan]

No I didn't have any problems with building the brakes... One thing to watch out for is to build your steer rail assembly very carefully... Also, the G4 only excepts micro receivers, so keep that in mind when you buy your new radio... As fas as motors go.. Novarossi, Sirio, and Rossi are all different motors and companies... They are all brothers that branch out in different directions in the micro RC motor business... The black Pixy is a Rossi product... Purple head motors from mugen, Nova Mega, Gold head motors from RB and Top motors are all built buy Novarossi and Sirio heads could be Blue or Green depending on the class of motor... Oh, Sirio also has a dark gray head motor for the T-Maxx. That G4 is one Great car... Except for the cost of replacement parts..

[budlightnmyhand]

Hi guys, i have never posted here before but i have a G4 Pro with a Rossi Pixi 3 port .12 motor thats ROAR legal. Its not the black one it has the gold head on it. I bought the JR XS3 radio with the no crystals thing. Man, what kind of receiver pack do they expect you to buy, i could cut mine in half and it would barely fit. Oh well, i kinda figured out a way to get mine to fit in there with a little work from the dremmel and some CA glue. No i didn't not glue the RX pack in there just some other thigns to make it fit. I havne't ran my car yet ( damn RX battery charger was broke when i bought it, so i have no way to charge my battery). Anyone else have a problem with their steering setup with the piece that snaps onto the servo? I hope all my work of grinding here and there will pay off. Oh by the way, don't buy HPI bodies for this car, they will not fit at all. I had to cut almost all the plastic away from around the wheels so that it would not cut my tires. ANyone have any settings they would like to share, for example droop, caster, camber etc? I havne't got to break mine in yet and i have an integy setup station, so i can set all that up before i take it out, hopefully this week. Thanks,
Mike

[budlightnmyhand]

Also i don't think i'm going to like these stock springs, what other springs can i buy, probably softer for rear and harder for front, i don't know much about springs so i would like to buy like a kit that has various settings. Thanks,
Mike

[RC_Alan]

budlightnmyhand, I just read your post and I'll try to help you out with some setting when I get back in from work... Was just passing through... Check back in the morning.. I should have some good base setting for you. From there you can adjust as needed.

RC_Alan

[budlightnmyhand]

Thank you, I'll try to get some pics of my G4 on here in the morning, i got my pics back from the store ( kinda turned out crappy, just too bright. I can probably adjust the contrast or something with photoshop. I will try to get them on here tomorrow i gotta scan them.
Mike

[RC_Alan]

budlightnmyhand... Try these settings as a base and adjust as needed. Not sure if you're on asphalt or a prepared RC track...

Ride height.. Front 4.5mm Rear 5mm
Droop.. Front 0 Rear 4mm
Camber... Rear -3* Front 0..
Toe-in... Rear -2* Front 0
Caster... Front 3mm spacer behind arm... Try this one and
see if you have on power steering and adjust
as needed.
Also, make sure you check the width of the car... This very is important in the handling for your car. 198mm front 198-200 rear

Diff fluid... Rear diff 10,000 wtg oil.
Swaybar Front set at 0 deg and rear at 30 deg.

Remember these are just base setting... Try them out and let me know how the car drives. Oh, use a setup board/Setup station to get all the setting dailed in correctly. If you don't have one.. Get one and have some show you how to use one. This is key in your car handling correctly... When you car is setup correctly, it's drive so smooth... From there it just takes practice and more practic... One last thing... Make sure you have new tires... Foams if you're running on a prepared RC track... 30mm rear and 26mm front... Goodluck and let me know how thing turn out...

RC_Alan

[budlightnmyhand]

I have the integy setup station, just like the hudy only purple in color easier to read and cheaper. I got myself some free plexiglass so i made a flat surface out of that. My front settings are a little different than yours. I'll try how i have it setup now and if it sucks and spins out i will try yours. Your rear is about what i have except i do not know how to adjust the rear sway bar. The bars are flat now (looking from strait behind car) and they kinda look like this a little " /\ " but not so much, you know what i mean. Also how do i measure how wide my car is???? Where do i measure?

Mike

[KMac]

Here's a blank G4 setup sheet that is editable. All you have to do is click in the upper left hand corner in the blank of the "Date" line and you will get a text insertion cursor. From there just type and Tab your way through the sheet. The tabs follow a logical order through the sheet.

G4 Setup Sheet (http://www.knology.net/~boiler88/RC_Cars/G4%20Blank.pdf)

[RC_Alan]

Thanks for the set up sheets Kmac... I'm over at the team magic website reading there more then here... I just sold my HPI R40 and just bought another G4 E-class... Could've had a MTX3, but when sitting side by side and driving both cars, hands down, the G4 is light years ahead of anything racing right now...:cool:

[RC_Alan]

Here's a link to the pics of my two G4's... Got rid of all my other cars... Just driving the best now... Oh, I kept the NTC3 with the Euro Truck body and the TRX2.5 motor installed.. Way to much fun for bashing to get rid of...

http://community.webshots.com/user/rc_alan

[budlightnmyhand]

I see you have that HARD Racing Viper head on one of your G4 cars. What motor do you have that on and will it fit on my Rossi Pixie .12 3 port motor? Also where did you purchase it and does it make your motor run hotter?

Mike

[RC_Alan]

budlightnmyhand... I bought that viper head to put it on my 5 port Rossi Pixy. It wouldn't fit, reasoning being that Rossi designs it's motors to accept only there heads, so I put it on a 5 port Nova turbo instead. It cost me $45.00 and it temps very well on Lola bodies as well and Sedans... I'm temping 210-220* out here in SoCal... I bought it at Ultimatehobbies in Orange California. There web address www.ultimatehobbies.com

I bought the last one, so when you go to there website, look for there 800 number, call and ask for Robert or Hank to order it for you... Shouldn't be a problem at all. If they got some in, have the employee to not only look for it in the Nitro head section, but also in Team Magic/G4 parts sections as well... Hopes the info helps..

RC_Alan:)

[rcabj]

i just worry about 2 things about this G4..

1. RECEIVER POSITION
2. steering servo linkage..a bit funny i think...

what r u owners of g4 think about them....other than that
this kit is super........thanks....

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

Sup guys,

Well, right now I own an HPI RS4-3 (don't be hatin!) that is hopped up to the max, and it kicks butt, but not enough butt to competitively race with....so I began looking around...

In an un-biased opinion, which of the three below would be the easiest to maintain, easiest to build, best for hop-ups/accessories, and reliability....I want something fast and efficient, but easy to take care of...you know...not having to replace bearings and belts and stuff every time I race...

1. HPI R40
2. Serpent 710
3. Trinity/Team Magic G4 Pro

I know most people say the R40 is too heavy, and that the Serpent 710 is expensive to hop-up and maintain, and I read somewhere that the G4 only has about a 70cc gas tank....not sure if that's true or not, I think I read it in RCCA.

So, which should I get? And can someone give me an estimate of a G4 and the necessary stuff (engine, body,pipe,etc...)

I don't plan on buying the MTX-3 or whatever Mugen's TC is, I'm just not familiar with the company and their products enough to go and purchase anything.....

I have been asking around and the 710 seems pretty tempting...it appears to have many new innovative features that seem to give it an edge over the others.....

so....what do you guys recommend?

If the G4's tank is only 70cc then that is a big turn-off for me purchasing it...

[RC_Alan]

All three cars have there pros and cons... You can't go wrong with any of them. If you want get to into racing seriouly... Then the G4 and S710 are a toss up. Both are great cars out the box and both are about the same to keep up and maintain. To drive the very best, you have to pay alittle more to step up to the wheel... Like comparing a Mercedes to a Ford.. Both are cars but... I think you the idea... lol As for the R40... It's not a bad car... but to drive it like HPI's team driver's or have one like Hara's car that won the Roar Nationals, you have to do alot of mods... Don't let anyone tell you different.. If you can find the Jan 2004 addition of RC-Driver... It's a new and very good RC-Mag, on page121, it show's Atsushi Hara's car and some of the mods he did to the car just to drive it in the race... Make no mistake, Hara is a great driver and coming from Japan, knowing the car as he does... He has a great advantage over everyone else owning the R40. The mods he did to the rear Geometry of the car can't be done by just any Joe racers... Go to www.rcdriver.com and see if you can locate the article or get that issue... It's a must read for any would-be R40 owners.. Oh, there is a great article on the Trinity/Team Magic G4 in is as well. Compare the two.. Hands down, the G4 is light years ahead of the R40. So getting back to your question... All three cars needs motor, pipe ect... The cost to maintain the R40 will be alittle better then the G4 and S710... Now if you want to bash and stuff.... Buy the R40 and if you want to win at the track... Buy the G4 or S710. I know all three cars because I owned the R40... Sold it after driving the G4 and Wow!!! the car was Super to drive... I sold my MTX3 as well to get a second G4... The car is that good.. No car is perfect, remember that when you do decide to get one. I drove the S710 and yes the car is very good as well... Which one is better the G4 or S710??? Mercedes or BMW... It's a toss up:cool:

PS. As for the fuel tanks.. The new kits have the correct 75cc tanks in them...

[mikecasc]

If anyone needs parts for these items, I carry them all. Just email me at rcnutshobbies@si.rr.com and I can email you a price listing. I am cheaper than trinity.

[tunerjetta29]

Wow, this forum is dead.........does everyone chat about teh G4 somewhere else, because both here and the team magic forum are very unpopular it seems. Anyways.....my G4 should be here next week......i cant wait..... Does anyone know a good place to get a 4mm chassis (it doesnt have to be K-Factory, but i think they are the only ones who make one) online for cheap (most places dont have them in stock, or want like 80-100 bucks for them.

[mikecasc]

Shoot me an email, I have them for $80 plus shipping. rcnutshobbies@si.rr.com

[tunerjetta29]

So i take it everyone is pretty much on their own with the G4? No one seems to talk about them anywhere. :) Oh well

[mikecasc]

Hey all,

the website is finally complete. I carry all parts for the G4. Check it out www.rcnutshobbies.com

[Lycan]

tunerjetta29: I frequent rctech.net Nitro forum for G4 discussion.

[totalrecklez]

check mines out after 13 hours of work 4 hrs on day 1 and 9 hrs on day 2 I have not have no problems,the instructions are great tell me what you think

[RC_Alan]

Looks nice... take your time and build it right... Did you get the 75cc fuel tanks with yours? Also one hop-up to get the Alum/graphite rear shock tower. Oh, while building your shocks, get some aftermarket shock badders... The stock ones are alittle too small and won't work right. Ofna has them for all of $3.00. Good luck!!! Alot of G4 owner hang out over at RC-Tech forum. Alot of info over there and Team Magic also has a forum site to check out as well...

RC_Alan

[tunerjetta29]

http://www.geocities.com/christianenterprises/g4.bmp

Here is mine (i have a few more things done to it now :), but its almost how i want it. Man i love this car!!!!

[totalrecklez]

look!

[mikecasc]

Here is my G4 Pro with the following Hop-ups:
K factory Gas Tank
Low Friction side belt
Rear Shock Tower with Alum stiffener bracket
Front Carbon Shock tower
From lower arm carbon stiffener bracket
hard coated 27 tooth pulley
hard coated 19 tooth pulley
aluminum servo mount
aluminum brake lever
hard coated 19 tooth brake pulley
Aluminum middle shaft
carbon bumper top plate
front and rear cvd kit
4mm blue chassis
aluminum disk brake
stainless steel screw kit
team magic pipe
Rossi Black pixi engine

[Shiznick]

She's almost done.... A few more hop-ups and a motor.... Baaadow off to the race track :cool: :rolleyes: http://www.members.aol.com/eddie9968/g4

[MikeWz]

Guys, I just sold my Trinity Reflex NT and plan on getting a G4 pro shortly. I have a brand new MT12 I plan on dropping in along with an Orion In-line pipe (the black one). Do you guys think that this will be a fairly competative set-up?

[mikecasc]

MikeWz,

get it from www.rcnutshobbies.com, he has the g4 pros for $255.

[MikeWz]

That's an awesome deal. In that case I'm going to get the Pro powered kit with the Sirio EVO 2 engine. I'd go black pixi outlaw but I do plan on racing so there goes that. Anybody here have experience with the RB Concepts V12 engines? They apparantly made the X12 better which IMO is pretty hard to do.

[Shiznick]

Has anyone seen a G4 with a V one RR EVo Front end??? Or a modded front end istead of the rails.....

[griffo]

HI GUY'S

JUST BOUGHT A G4 AND MAN IS IT SWEET. I PUT A .12CC COLLARI

IN IT & ITS FLYING. HAS ANYONE GOT A GOOD SETUP 4 THIS CAR.

LET U KNOW HOW IT GO'S RACING THIS WEEKEND IN SYDNEY

SEEYA :cool:

[petrol-head]

hey umm im thinking of buying a g4 and was just wondering if u guys have the trinity version or the eagle version ?????

eagle racing made a copy of the trinity g4 and it looks exactly the same !!!!

[mikecasc]

There is no eagle version. Team magic makes the car. Trinity no longer carries the G4. You will have to get the g4 evo which is the e-class(pro version) with the hop-ups that are needed. THere we no design changes except for the updated gas tank.

[petrol-head]

r u sure because i am confused now

[petrol-head]

http://www.eaglemodel.com/en%20net/en%20cont/en%20on%20new10/pickup10/G4BKG.gif

this is the eagle version isn't it ???

[mikecasc]

It is the same car, eagle must be a distributor for the car. Team magic is the company that makes the car. You can find out more at www.teammagic.tw

[petrol-head]

thanx for that.

with the steering rails on the front end, what happens when dirt gets on the rails ????
does it damage the steering in anyway ???

[mikecasc]

this car should not be run where there is dirt. This car is made specifically for racing only. It is not a bashing car. Most people put silicone on the rails before they race, keeps the movement smooth.

[petrol-head]

ohhh and what about the thrust bearing in the centax cluthch ???? how often do you need to replace that because i heard it can fall apart pretty often

[mikecasc]

I have had my car for 10 months and I never replaced it. If you install it correctly and use threadlock you will not have any problems

[petrol-head]

so you have never replaced that little bearing in the clutch ??????

because i have a car at the moment but it uses the 2 shoed clutch system which is totally different than the centax clutch.

[petrol-head]

also, what has been the part u guys have replaced the most ????

[mikecasc]

I have not touched the clutch at all. I did take it off one engine to put on another but that is it.

[petrol-head]

someone posted that it costs a lot to maintain the g4.what 'things do they have to maintain ????

[mikecasc]

It costs money to maintain every nitro car. It does not matter what car it is. You need to keep it clean, make sure all drive trains are smooth, you need fuel, tools, etc. The same thing for every car or truck

[petrol-head]

i ordered a g4 today!!!!!! should be here in about 2 weeks. is it hard to build ???

[mikecasc]

where did you order from? It is not hard to build just take your time.

[petrol-head]

well i am good friends with a hobby shop owner so i would never buy any parts or accesories anywhere else


what has been the part you have brocken the most ???? or what screws/parts should i stock up on?????
what eventually wears out ????

[petrol-head]

what part/s have you guys brocken the most ???

[PitStops]

I have to say That aside from a thrust brearing that went out on me (which no one seems to be able to get a replacement for not even trinity themselves) I have not yet broken any parts. well actually I did have to find a better way to mount my battery pack in as the little rubber sleeve just was not working well for me I rubbed it almost completely in half during a race. luckily I caught it before my battery ended up on the ground dragging behind. but that is a minor thing I fixed with some zip ties and all is good now.

though one thing I did have to do to my car is replace the front dogbones with CVDs as the right one kept falling out no matter how I tried fixing it. but the way I figure it it was worth the 20 bucks I spent for the cvds.

Bryan

[PitStops]

stock up on the usual, arms, steering blocks rear hubs body posts ect. bearings are always good to carry extras of.

I have a question as well does anyone have exp with 3 racing products?

I typically buy K-factory only but i did buy a few thing from them based on the price. the one thing I am having a problem with is the front upper deck, my servo horn is hitting pretty badly, I have shaved it down quite a bit but I am affraid if I go too much further I will leave a weak spot around the ball end. any suggestions or ideas for this?
Thanks,
Bryan

[RCNitroDude999]

just a pic of my G4

http://tinypic.com/amfwk

[PitStops]

Here is a shot of mine after I did a few hop ups

3racing top bumper plate, front upper deck, brake support w/ belt tensioner, rear tower w/ alum. brace, front CVD's

K Factory drive hexes, brake lever arm, front shock tower, rear carbon fiber tower brace, servo mounts, middle shaft mount, radio plate supports.

It running on a Sirio 3 port .12 with a Shark pipe Airtronics Radio and steering servo (357) and a JR throttle servo 650

[romeok]

Hi, we've just built a G4 and running the motor in. Everything is cool, but noticed one "strange" thing.

If it goes with medium or even slightly higher speed and you break - it spins out heavily.

Although it breaks with only two rear wheels (not with four like mine v-one s, for example), I think it still should break in a straight line.

Anybody has any ideas? What's you g4 is doing?

[KanaiDude]

Hi Guys I just got a brand new e-class with airtronics 357 and two new bodies for 225 shipped!! now that im done gloating you guys have any advice while building this, what motor pipe and starter box to get? Was thinking of getting novarossi or sirio roar legal mill, maybe RD logics pipe, and associated starter box will that one work?

looking forward to posting some pics and chatting it up!

[budlightnmyhand]

Hi Guys I just got a brand new e-class with airtronics 357 and two new bodies for 225 shipped!! now that im done gloating you guys have any advice while building this, what motor pipe and starter box to get? Was thinking of getting novarossi or sirio roar legal mill, maybe RD logics pipe, and associated starter box will that one work?

looking forward to posting some pics and chatting it up!


Hello,
I have heard only good things about the serio 2 motor. May wanna look into the Team Magic 1 piece pipe if you can find it. I don't know about starter box but i ahve the ofna one and it works fine. Check www.rctech.net for some more info on this car. They seem to cover alot more over there.

Mike

[KanaiDude]

Thanks Budlight! I check it out over there I'll join soon and say hello looks like a alot of talk on that forum Yay! Thanks again.......

[PitStops]

Hi Guys I just got a brand new e-class with airtronics 357 and two new bodies for 225 shipped!! now that im done gloating you guys have any advice while building this, what motor pipe and starter box to get? Was thinking of getting novarossi or sirio roar legal mill, maybe RD logics pipe, and associated starter box will that one work?

looking forward to posting some pics and chatting it up!

KanaiDude,

The Sirio EVO II mills are killer I run one in my Vision, and it is super fast.
The sirio I am runnign in my G4 is the older version and after two years still runs killer. I am not sure who make the Shark pipe I am running, but I can find out, It made a huge difference in the performance of my engine.
for starter boxes look into the Team Magic Alfa box it is super small and light.
I really like the one I have.

have fun and enjoy the car.

Bryan

[KronicRacer]

is there an online manual for the G4? i need on for reference

[KanaiDude]

Thanks Bryan, I have the evo2 in my rc10gt and it is awesome i'm trying to pick one of them up off ebay as they are 200 bucks at tower, i passed up a 120 dollar deal on a new buy it now from ebay a few weeks ago and am still kicking myself. I already got a team magic pipe, trinity battery, and am looking at the alpha starter box. I saw the shark pipe on RC mushroom I almost got it...

Does anyone know if the associated starter box works ok? it is currently set up for my rc10gt and by the looks of it I think this is the same configuration for touring cars like the G4, mtx-3?

[budlightnmyhand]

I use the ofna box, works fine for me.

Mike

[PitStops]

it should be close if you use alignment posts you will need to reset them for the g4 but it should work ok. I use the alfa box from Team magic my self, just easier to haul around.

[KanaiDude]

Reset the alignment posts yuck. Think I'll pick an alpha box looks to easy Thanks...

[YR4Dude]

Hi,

I've been looking through the posts and but none of them have answered my question about the G4. Anyways perhaps this may stir-up the thread.

Prior to the G4, Trinity had the Reflex which was interchangeable with the Kyosho V One R but not completely.

So my question is: Is the G4 interchangeable with the V One RRR? Or is it more interchangeable with the V One RR Evo? (Please detail what is and what isn't)

Please don't take offense to this question. Just asking to see what other parts sources are out there for the cars compared. My last few V One R/ Reflex Nt that I purchased on E-bay had a mixture of parts from both. Perhaps it could help others in building a G4-RR evo or a G4-RRR.

[NitroJohnnyD]

Hi,

I've been looking through the posts and but none of them have answered my question about the G4. Anyways perhaps this may stir-up the thread.

Prior to the G4, Trinity had the Reflex which was interchangeable with the Kyosho V One R but not completely.

So my question is: Is the G4 interchangeable with the V One RRR? Or is it more interchangeable with the V One RR Evo? (Please detail what is and what isn't)

Please don't take offense to this question. Just asking to see what other parts sources are out there for the cars compared. My last few V One R/ Reflex Nt that I purchased on E-bay had a mixture of parts from both. Perhaps it could help others in building a G4-RR evo or a G4-RRR.

Some of the components are interchangeable to the G4 from the Reflex & V One RR. The diffs are identical. The shocks can also be swapped. The suspension arms front and rear are interchangeable as well. The belts and pulleys are also the same and can be swapped between cars providing you are not using an under or over drive set-up. Other than that, I do not recall anything else obvious.

I have been out of nitro racing for a period and I have owned several reflexes and a couple G4's and swapped those parts I mentioned.

Now that somebody has developed a better steering system for the G4, I bought two of them and I am going back racing. That was the only hang up I had with Magics car.

[NitroJohnnyD]

Hi, we've just built a G4 and running the motor in. Everything is cool, but noticed one "strange" thing.

If it goes with medium or even slightly higher speed and you break - it spins out heavily.

Although it breaks with only two rear wheels (not with four like mine v-one s, for example), I think it still should break in a straight line.

Anybody has any ideas? What's you g4 is doing?

Sorry if I missed someone else answering this. The reason your car spins out is it has a front one-way. There is no getting around this. You have to back off the brake adjustment in order to not spin it. Every car equipped with a one-way exhibits this trait.

[KronicRacer]

k factory did come out with an aluminum steering rack and also a version 2 steering rack .
http://shop.the-border.nl/customer/product.php?productid=19200&cat=403&page=1
and
http://shop.the-border.nl/customer/product.php?productid=20969&cat=403&page=1

[NitroJohnnyD]

k factory did come out with an aluminum steering rack and also a version 2 steering rack .
http://shop.the-border.nl/customer/product.php?productid=19200&cat=403&page=1
and
http://shop.the-border.nl/customer/product.php?productid=20969&cat=403&page=1

The aluminum servo saver idea does not prevent the binding in the slide rails. IMO it's a band-aid on a broken leg.

The new swing rack system is the way to go.

Also, The V One RR EVO had a steering system that was adaptable to the G4 and it completely did away with the slide rails and that whole mess. The sliding steering system looks great on paper, and it works okay if you rebuild your car every single race, but that whole thing just eats servos and servo horns.

The new swing rack (ALA NTC3 looking) I am sure will do the trick.

[TM Tina]

K-Factory New Catalogues as following
link :http://www.teammagic.com.tw/news.php?action=show&nid=599

If you want to buy the parts you want, just send me the e-mail.

tmmarket@cm1.hinet.net . I will help you.

[KronicRacer]

thanks for the info!

[NitroJohnnyD]

K-Factory New Catalogues as following
link :http://www.teammagic.com.tw/news.php?action=show&nid=599

If you want to buy the parts you want, just send me the e-mail.

tmmarket@cm1.hinet.net . I will help you.

Personally I just ended up buying the K-Factory pieces. Pre assembled with bearings. K-Factory part number is K1480. Doesn't get any easier.

And thanks for that info Tina.

[TM Tina]

K1489 G4 S-class Hard Coated Alum. Light 18T Clutch Gear
http://www.teammagic.com.tw/images/product-20041209090648.jpg

K1490 G4 S-class Hard Coated Alum. Light 19T Clutch Gear
http://www.teammagic.com.tw/images/product-20041209090730.jpg

K1491 G4 S-class Hard Coated Alum. Light 20T Clutch Gear
http://www.teammagic.com.tw/images/product-20041209090928.jpg


K1492 G4 S-class Speed Gear Set

http://www.teammagic.com.tw/images/product-20041209091007.jpg

Source: Team Magic (http://www.teammagic.com.tw/home-p2003-3p.htm)

If you need more information just e-mail to tmmarket@cm1.hinet.net :)

[YR4Dude]

Hi,

I posted here before in regards to what is compatible between the V Ones and the G4. I finally picked up a G4 C-class from E-bay. I also have two V One Evos. After putting the G4 together, I noticed it is nothing like the V Ones. I found the V One Evo to nothing more than a RR with a narrower front end and laydown servo steering, weight is still and issue.

While putting together the G4, I found it to be completely different from the V One / Reflex cars. It is muche lighter and the CG is very low. Also the diffs are more centered on the chassis with narrower bulkheads. So far the only thing I can see that is compatible with the older cars are the arms, hubs, driveshafts and bumper.

So here is my question, is the G4 very similar to the V One RRR? If so, what parts?

Also in putting G4 together, I found that the kit iis is not packaged very well. Not all the screws and hardware necessary are included. Some parts and pieces changed and are not shown in the manual. Fit and finish is not all there in the parts as well.(I'm not complaining but for the record not a beginner kit)

My plans for the car is to take advantage of its light weight and low CG by using it as my short track car..

Will the Kawahara negative diff for the V One fit in the G4?

Please let me know guys.

Thanks.

[YR4Dude]

Hi,

I posted here before in regards to what is compatible between the V Ones and the G4. I finally picked up a G4 C-class from E-bay. I also have two V One Evos. After putting the G4 together, I noticed it is nothing like the V Ones. I found the V One Evo to nothing more than a RR with a narrower front end and laydown servo steering, weight is still and issue.

While putting together the G4, I found it to be completely different from the V One / Reflex cars. It is muche lighter and the CG is very low. Also the diffs are more centered on the chassis with narrower bulkheads. So far the only thing I can see that is compatible with the older cars are the arms, hubs, driveshafts and bumper.

So here is my question, is the G4 very similar to the V One RRR? If so, what parts?

Also in putting G4 together, I found that the kit iis is not packaged very well. Not all the screws and hardware necessary are included. Some parts and pieces changed and are not shown in the manual. Fit and finish is not all there in the parts as well.(I'm not complaining but for the record not a beginner kit)

My plans for the car is to take advantage of its light weight and low CG by using it as my short track car..

Will the Kawahara negative diff for the V One fit in the G4?

Please let me know guys.

Thanks.

[hdcchrome]

People still running this car? It is now the Mongoose over at RDlogics, but I think the car parts are 99% interchangable

[PitStops]

The mongoose is the exact same car, RD Logics is importing it now, and has the mongoose as their special version, it has a few extra hop ups on it the the standard E-Class. And yes there are some of us still running this car, myself and another racer in town here run them.

[hdcchrome]

I am glad to hear the car is running. I do not understand why it has not taken off better.

I have always been a fan of the Reflex NT (very nice chassis, fit/finish out of the box). The Team version combined with the ROSSI PIXY OUTLAW made the car VERY NICE. I still have a few.

I have built the G4 with all the Kfac upgrades and this is another well built fit/finish car. I like the idea on the steering, but sad to hear the troubles.

I wish the G4/Moongoose had a better marketing plan and reviews.

[KronicRacer]

..... ill tell you why this car hasnt taken off. trinity over prices their parts so people run to associated and hpi for cars since they are cheaper. parts are very hard to find at the local hobby shops. yokomo gt4's run into this problem also. No doubt that this is one of the better cars out there and hopefully with rd logics at the helm the will bring the glory this car so deserves. :)

[YR4Dude]

This is a problem with every competitive well built on-road car. (ie Mugen, Yokomo, Kyosho etc, etc) The shops are not going to carry them if they can't get a lot of sales for them. Especially for the likes of us who are all online. Are you going to support your LHS by buying your Ellegis, or Nitro Shoes or Fast Tires at $15/pair instead of buying in bulk online from all the HK shops for $8/ pair plus shipping? Same place where you buy your tires is also the same place where you'll buy all the latest upgrades from 3-Racing or K Factory. So given that, why would the LHS want to stock a full line of parts just for you to drop by in an emergency to pick up a broken fuel tank or suspension arm?

Until something major changes in the hobby market, your LHS is going to be more supportive of those RTR's than anything else. RD Logics being a distributor may help but only when they were bringing high quality accessories at a very affordable price for both the LHS and customer. However, RD Logics also sells DIRECT online which may also turn away many shops from further carrying any RD Logics product.

[hdcchrome]

yr4dude, this is an excellent point and more so a message to those of you who do not support the lhs. if the lhs is gone and the tracks disapear, what is the point of the hobby?

[Dennis R]

Please understand as RD is a small operation that is growing our distribution channels are continuially growing. Yes we do have everything available online but at substantially higher pricing than the hobbystores are retailing for. This is an incentive for individuals to encourage their hobby shops to stock our products as from the hobby shop they cost considerably less and the hobby shop can actually make more margin on our products than most and still sell to you cheaper. The online store exists for those who do not have a hobby shop in their area to serve them with RD Logics products. PS contrary to the comments above we are a manufacturer not an importer in many cases. In many cases our products are ripped by other brands that claim them for their own. nauseating at best but what you get when dealing with some manufacturers. Its not us that are hurting the store front hobby shops its the online ebay dealers and non store front operations we cant control. we operate in the mode of customer first, hobby shop second and RD third.

Dennis Richey
RD Logics.

[KronicRacer]

so does kfactory still make options parts?

im glad that you guys are carrying the car.

[Dennis R]

We have everypart that K factory makes available for the Mongoose/G4 and we are adding some new pieces of our own but those are all we are bringing in. www.rdlogics.com

Kronic Most people are not aware of the pricing on our car yet. If they knew they would be shocked. The website prices are higher than the dealers are retailing them for. their running about 260/280 on the street.

All replacement parts for the car are also available but you need to call as they are not listed on the site. Talk to Alan.

[MikeWz]

Looks like the car is dying out :( . Just when I have the opportunity to snag on too

[hdcchrome]

So many people want to run what others CONSIDER the "sh@#", BUT if you like a car and have a good parts supply, who cares what the popular crowd says. I still run a VERY nice Trinity REFLEX NT Team Only, Serpent Impulse PRO, and the G4 team. The G4 is one of the most NEW designes out there, NOT COPIED 95% from other designs like so other many others out there. If you like the G4 or now Mongoose, I have 100 of parts :)

[hdcchrome]

I also have the Mugen MTX3 propect with $300 in after martket crap and I still don't like it as much as the others. The mugen front C-carry is still junk... Oh well , veryone has an opinion right????

[MikeWz]

Awesome, I should have mine shortly. Don't think I'm going to be able to run it untill the summer because I need t come up with the money for the rest of the parts. Thinking about going with an FR-12 SC and a Novarossi in-line pipe. Gonna snag an MX-3 radio with a hitec 645 for steering...sound about right?

Also, what's a good set-up to start with, so I can go from there (tires included)

[hdcchrome]

I have a ton of new in package Foam Ellegi tires. I also have the new FR if you want.

[MikeWz]

I may take you up on some of those tires. What's the new FR? I'm not getting the Mongoose, I'm getting the G4 Evo version, so I know it's not as updated.

[hdcchrome]

The G4 Evo is VERY NICE! Email me if you want/need anything for the G4. jessie@landjump.net

[MikeWz]

Can somebody here recommend a good all around set-up for me? I'm talking about droop, ride-height, springs, oil, diff oil, toe-in, camber...etc...just as a general thing. Obviously that's not going to work for every track, just looking for a good starting point

[hdcchrome]

Have you tried what the manual says?

[MikeWz]

I actually don't have the kit yet. It's in the mail, and I'll have it in my hands on or around the 13th. I was just hoping to order any parts I may need to by then so I can just throw it all together. I guess it doesn't really matter though, because I'ma have to wait 'till this summer to get everything I need to run it.

[MikeWz]

Okay, got the kit and built it up. Looks to be super nice. I can see HUGE improvements over their Reflex kit, and it looks to be at least of equal if not better quality than the MTX-3. Ordered me a Picco XP-12 Turbo engine, a Werks racing .12 pipe set, and a Hitec SRX 3-channel radio with a 645 servo. HOpe that's a good set-up at least for now.

[skunk99]

Im thinking of purchasing a rd logics mongoose its the same exact car as the g4 right? and how do they compare to a serpent 710 or 705 i think im sure of getting the g4 but i dont know too much about them and ive read just about this whole forum and are they exactly the same as the trinity g4's and ive seen g4 evo II ? wuts that about? somone help me out and explain this a little thanks i really appreciate it

[hdcchrome]

Just while I was on the thread :)

[Pearce]

I have g4 and there the best :D

Set best laptime at new zealand nationals..

[hdcchrome]

My new Mongoose arrive today WITH the new Richey Racing engine. WOW is it a fast engine. The engine keeps up with the Italian MAX POWER and also JP BLACK mods. The engine is more than HALF the cost too. Only $190 compared to $325 plus. The Mongoose will be showing up in ALL the major mags in the next month too and they all loved it!!!!!!

[hdcchrome]

For anyone who does not know.....The mongoose is the RE-labled name for the G4. 100% of the parts are interchanable and the Mongoose comes with the new steering and many other upgrades already in the box. I bought several if anyone is interested :)

[KronicRacer]

also go to www.rdlogics.com to find parts and kits

[hdcchrome]

I can beat RDlogics :)

EMAIL ME HERE (jessie@landjump.net)

[KronicRacer]

is that on parts also?
or just kits


i may refer hpijosh222 to you

[hdcchrome]

try me

[KronicRacer]

the rear assembly: hub carriers, bearings for the hub carriers, the arms, axels(non cvd) the hex adapters for the tires, the pivot balls with the nut that holds them in place..... and rear roll blade. ill get the pn for the stuff in a few.

[CANPAR]

The G4 has been rippin up the Southern Ontario Canada circuit. Its either won or finished in the top 3 every race this year, beating racers such as Breno Corsara, and Mark Frechete factory racers.

I've been reading a bunch of posts on this forum about the car and what I don't understand is people who are running this car way outta the tunnings specs. One thing this car loves rear droop.

I regularly run 2mm droop in the front and 4.5-5mm of droop in the rear using F61mm Jaco 40shore Front and 62mm 42 shore Rear on a very nice prepared high traction surface, 4mm ride height 2mm caster www.fastcats.ca

On a uneven low grip surface I am running 35 shore 60mm front 62 38 shore rear with 4 mm droop all round and medium to soft springs(associated with 6mm ride height) FR shock 2 holes 50wt, RR 3 holes 50wt ans 2mm of Caster. www.hobbyhobby.com/plrc

Any questions about set-up or help with the G4 don't be shy and e-mail me at morgan@usemybank.com please include track conditons and what ur car is doing that you do like and do not like.

[Tabushi]

My Team Magic New G4 EVO just arrived (the same car as mongoose) and wow !! ...

You can see a pic of me with a happy face and my other 2 team mates who bought the same kit ... we are the only 3 on the whole country runing G4's ... i think we will be racing them in about 2 weeks ...


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One my friends will be using a Mega Z12 engine with STS Pipe, the other one will be using an OS .12 TR Turbo with RDLogics Pipe and i will eb using an STS D3R Modified engine with STS Legal pipe ...

[Jayweezy]

How well do HPI bodies fit on this car?

[RCRevolution]

hey guys , between the RD Mongoose and R40 which car should I get?



and are there any known issues with the G4/mongoose?

[RCGuyG4]

Ive got 2 G4's, well if you want to get technical ive got a G4 Racer kit AND the RD Logics Mongoose. It handles EXCELLENTLY. Ive driven an MTX-3 Prospec (my friend is the BEST racer at the track i visit, he always wins 1st no question) since he is sponsored by Mugen he just let me have at it... I only totalled the front end :cool: He didn't seem to mind though. Driving HIS MTX-3 PROSPEC, well that specific MTX-3 dominates over my G4s'....

If your looking for a pretty cheap car, GET THE MONGOOSE!!!! Its an EXCELLENT car for its price, for 250.00 you even get the Push clutch(Centax)! Some of the other kits by OFNA and some other companies just include a 3 shoe... I don't mind the 3 shoe on the g4, but the push clutch is incredeble... Ive had the car for almost a year... Iv'e done 68 MPH head on crashes into tire barriers, big air jumps(which i landed) barrel rolls, front flips, and just normal wall taps, ive also jackknifed(heh thats right.... jackknifed) and ive been T-boned by several other drivers.... and the only think i broke was the right rear bulkhead! This car is literally a TANK!

Im running the Sirio .12 TRP SG with an RD Logics .12-.15 balanced pipe, which is an amazing setup with plenty of speed and i hardly ever top 210!! and i usually never let off the throttle, i keep it pinned 3/4 of the way through my local track, which is small and tight.... about the size of Revelations, maybe a little smaller....

[nitrothugg]

well i own both.

my disclaimer is that i am a c-main driver, i have built several 1/10 scale kits and i bought the r40 first (so i may be slightly biased)

i bought a g4 racer kit (3-shoe clutch) 3 weeks ago and the r40 5 weeks ago. i have yet to race the g4 at my local track but box stock it is more planted to the ground then the r40.

the g4 is also noticebly lighter, cheaper and just flat out more exoticly sexier looking then the r40

however

the build was a pain. if you are a new builder, all kits are not this hard. i found that a few parts required a little shoe-horning. the manual i had did not mention you will need to reverse the ball on the steering servo horn or that you will need a shorter servo or low profile servo for steering.

i'm looking forward to racing it because of the parking lot handling

[RCRevolution]

Hey guys I just got a RD Mongoose, the one with all the good stuff, centax clutch, new steering system, etc.

Well how well does the car build? were the "hand fitting" problems the g4 had fixed?

and anyone have any race setups for this track?

the red line is the course, and from end to end its a good 200-300 feet

[TM Tina]

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[TM Tina]

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[hdcchrome]

Email sent from BMI Hobbies, Dallas, TX. 972-758-BOSS WWW.BMIHOBBIES.COM or WWW.RUSHRC.COM

We can test anything on our track and write a detailed review, plus display the product in hour store in Dallas, TX (USA) ;)

[RCRevolution]

Also trinity has the g4s again

and as of now towerhobbies is carrying the g4s, hopefully they dont jack up the prices for it

[evoevo58]

but does anyone know if towerhobbies is gonna carry the g4 evo parts and cars?

[rezenclowd3]

If you want parts for these cars, check out http://www.racedayhobbies.com/