Pie Wagon

[RC Jack]

Totally anodized, including wheels and what wasn't anodized, was buffed & polished...with the new body.

http://www.******.net/media/Pie_Wagon-inshop.jpg

http://www.******.net/media/Right_front-inshop.jpg

http://www.******.net/media/Left_rear-inshop2.jpg

http://www.******.net/media/Bodyup-inshop.jpg

[Skribble]

Sweeeeeeeet. But where did you get Pie Wagon from?

[MaxxThrasher]

Hehehehehehe!

Where's the pie!!!:D

[WS7er]

Its a custom built truck with a 2 speed and a .70 ek4 engine.

[JT Racing Maxx]

well RC Jack, GREAT JOB ! wheres the smoke and lights for the presentation of this sweet truck?.

[popa71]

Very nice!!!!!!

[old phart]

That's just amazing! :D

[big1s]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[LOWGEAR80]

rcca was going to do a full review on it, but they got some retarted terms... Go figure. :mad:

[RC Jack]

Originally posted by JT Racing Maxx
well RC Jack, GREAT JOB ! wheres the smoke and lights for the presentation of this sweet truck?.

Hey, JT, that gives me an idea for a new video! I did manage to break down and buy a vid cam, but, now ,my "cameraman", my son, is sidelined with stress fractures in his foot. :eek:

Thanks, all!!

RCCA can go run their 10,000th T-Maxx feature instead!!!:D :D :D I'd be willing to bet that there are a lot of trucks out there that should be featured, but, because of RCCA's demands, they'll all go unseen. Too bad, 'cuz this is what Radio Control is all about!!

[egdinger]

That really sucks that it won't be in the mag, but it is one of the coolest I have seen in a long time, much better that the nth max there gonna show. You wanna make me one of em?

[astainback]

Man.. that is a nice truck..

I am sorry that you aren't going to be in the mag.. that sucks..

Congrats on one of the sweetest projects ever.


My hats off to you.

[nique]

Originally posted by LOWGEAR80
rcca was going to do a full review on it, but they got some retarted terms... Go figure. :mad: what are the demands anyway and RC_JACK that is the best looking nicest custom truck or car i have ever seen

[JT Racing Maxx]

you should call up eXtreame RC magazine and tell them about your truck, and tell R/C car magazine as well.


Your truck is so real , you should make a custom aluminum tube extention for the exhaus tip on your pipe to route the exhaust out the back in 3/4 inch dual chrome tips.


you also need to post some pics of your truck out side without the body to get better views of the great anodize and the parts. Also some pics that show off how articulate your truck is.

Lemme know when you race it and if the "clutch cooler" works good enough for you to sell me a Ofna version, i'd be great. thanks




Sweet truck!

[Skribble]

Don't forgot RC Driver ..

[RC Jack]

nique, their demands were to use one of their custom painted bodies, that I would get to keep. I had stipulated that IF & WHEN this truck gets shown, it will be with the new body that, at the time, was being painted, Pie Wagon.
Their second demand was for me to ship it to them, insured, of course, where they would have it for a week. I don't think so! And I had told them that; I did, however, offer to drive up to Ridgefield, Connecticut where RCCA is located and was told by Matt Higgins, an editor, via telephone, that they would then need it for 1 or 2 days. Then, I got another email saying to ship it to them, which I declined.


astainback, thanks. If RCCA wants to be more obliging, they know where to find me.

egdinger, from what I understand, advertisers pay more to advertise in that mag than if they advertised in HOT ROD or CAR CRAFT!! So, I guess, they've got "all they need"; features in the mag seem to be an "extra". :D

JT, eXtremeRC is located in the Granola State, as are most other mags...and I ain't driving out there!

There were "duals" listed on eBay for the EK, and all tho, some have bought them, no one ever critiqued them, which leads me to believe, that they are just this side of useless.

As for pix of the frame, (GO HERE) (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114234&perpage=25&pagenumber=16) sans the body, tho, these are in my shop. Today, me and my "crippled & handicapped":D cameraman son were going to go to the track in Sarver, Pa, for a "full workout", with pix & videos, but, no sooner did I get everything loaded into the truck, then it started to rain. If it's nice out 2moro or the day after, we'll go up then. This track is about 30 miles away.

I'll let you know how the "clutch cooler" works out. It would have to be a major improvement over anything else that's out there, including vented flywheels & clutchbells. The only problem that I can see is, that the fins should have been "captured" on both ends. I was going to make it like that, but, I didn't feel much like making a jig. We'll see....

[dux]

Hey, I'm interested in how you made that beast. Is it a partial cannibal or is it all original?

[JT Racing Maxx]

I know what your saying about the duals being useless, but those are the ones on ebay, I am saying make something custom thats mounts with a set screw onto the tip of your current pipe and have the exhaust come out the back, then your getting the tuned pipe for preformance and the duals for more pimping stiff for your pimpin truck!:D

[RC Jack]

Thanks all!

We did manage to get up to the track in Sarver, Pa......and if there was a chance that something could go wrong, well, everything went wrong! Battery packs, that were charged before leaving, would keep a charge at the track. The glow ignitor wouldn't work. The manual glow ignitor would hold a charge. Lost 4WD, which was no big problem, (set screw on the front cup was loose). Finally got it running and the front stabilizer broke after a cartwheel endo, at the ball end, (only a 3mm screw). This has since been corrected. So we bailed. I half expected this track to be much larger than what it was; my truck was much too big for it, but, I would have gotten some vids out of it, tho, not "balls-to-the-wall" vids. When I got home, all of the batteries were fully charged! Go figure.
BTW, this track seems to be suited for stadium racers, just not for monster trucks.

Originally posted by dux
Hey, I'm interested in how you made that beast. Is it a partial cannibal or is it all original?

It's an all original design. For various stages of the build: GO HERE. (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114234)

It puzzles me to understand why these magazines don't meet the owners or in my instance, owner/designer/engineer/builder, half way or at the very least, show some respect for the work done.
According to my information, some of these "editors" get emotionally involved over some of the potentially featured vehicles, to the point of NOT doing a feature....cuz they're jealous(!). It must be nice to involve your personal emotions to dictate what gets featured...and what doesn't! (rather than gut instinct!) All I can think of is, (in a whining voice), "I don't wanna!" :D :D

[badboy2]

wish i can do that:) ..how much did it cost u to put up this truck..i hope to see some vids ...nice job:D

[TraxMaxST]

RC Jack - The truck looks great! Have not been on the board for a bit. New body is sweet, even though it isn't a Dodge. <G> The fit is really good. Everything looks great anodized and polished.

Too bad about RCCA. It would be cool to see your rig in the mag. It's their loss though. Doing cookie cutter projects will only keep readers entertained for so long. Something like your truck could / would be a great feature that if done right would be informative, educational, and entertaining. I guess it probably isn't a priority though because you're not buying advertising space from them. We'll see 80 more cookie cutter T-Maxx hop up articles before we see your truck just because of the amount of advertising Traxxas runs.

Between your truck and other projects I've seen here I've been motivated to do a project truck of my own. I picked up a Clodbuster the other day I'm going to make into a crawler. Started on the chassis last night. It will probably be quite awhile before I get it done, I'll only have a couple hours per week to work on it, but hopefully by next summer it will be ready to go.

[RC Jack]

badboy2, how much did it cost? More than I care to think about!

John, nice to see you back. "Ida" preferred a Dodge, too, but, the ones that are available are just too small, but, the paintjob that Chris did was outstanding! I gotta tell ya, tho, this '50 Chevy, (cough cough), Panel fits better than anything out there. I did consider the ProLine 4dr Power Wagon, still too small! Along the same lines of Dennis Anderson's '50 Chevy, stands out amidst the hoards of Fords and bevies of Chevies.:D

A clodbuster? Tons of parts are available for those, including tube frames! New Era (http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/navlinks.cgi?session_id=rjkkfitnbjrxijvhomttedgmxi scrntr&catagory=Tamiya%20Trucks%20&%20Cars) (go for it!) But....ELECTRIC? John! John! John! A NITRO conversion is in order here.:D And to still make it a crawler, you can use a .46 4-stroke, not a whole lot on top end, but great bottom end which is what a crawler is all about. N-I-T-R-O!
I wasn't under any "gun" to get this (NITRO) truck done, John, but, once the pieces started fitting and falling into place..... Still, all 'n all, it took 8 or 9 months to complete, so next summer is a realistic time frame for the Clod. Oh, did I mention nitro conversion?:D

(WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.......or ROOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRR!):D :D :D

[TraxMaxST]

That paint job is killer, for sure! I wonder how many bodies and pop bottles he painted to get that good? Probably more than he cares to remember!

Nitro would be hard to do on a Clod. A TXT would be a much easier conversion. With the Clod gearboxes being independent of each other and not sharing a common engine (or two), it would be a very big challenge. Besides, we're looking at moving into a new subdivision, and I have to have something a little quieter to run around there. I don't think my neighbors would put up with too much nitro action. :D

I also have visions of this truck becoming my son's when he gets old enough. I wouldn't want to start him out in nitro, and once he shows he can drive this truck well, maintain it, and be responsible with it, he might get a nitro. Of course, a hand me down nitro so dad can get a new one! LOL!

This project is really exciting for me though. I guess I'm "old school" in the fact I used to think 60% of the fun was building the things! Now everything is RTR. This project reminds me of being 12 again and having a Tamiya Lunchbox spread out over my bedroom floor for 3 days putting it together. I'm giddy with anticipation!

I think I will be ordering the ESP 4 link suspension, but everything else will be fabricated. Well, I should say as much as I can. Like I said, it will be my winter project, so I'll have quite a bit of time to play with it. I'll post pics as it comes along, although I'll be a *little* ashamed of it as long as your truck is still on the board. That thing is a work of art!

Pie Wagon...Hehehehehehehee

[RC Jack]

Originally posted by TraxMaxST
That paint job is killer, for sure! I wonder how many bodies and pop bottles he painted to get that good? Probably more than he cares to remember!

Chris is a professional painter on full size cars & trucks. I've spoken with him on the phone and he's been at it for quite a few years, so, he should be pretty good at it.

{QUOTE]
Nitro would be hard to do on a Clod. A TXT would be a much easier conversion. With the Clod gearboxes being independent of each other and not sharing a common engine (or two), it would be a very big challenge. Besides, we're looking at moving into a new subdivision, and I have to have something a little quieter to run around there. I don't think my neighbors would put up with too much nitro action.
I also have visions of this truck becoming my son's when he gets old enough. :D [/QUOTE]

Come to think of it, that's what Lee Iacocca said in the 80's when Chrysler was on the verge, "It's too hard!" :D


....although I'll be a *little* ashamed of it as long as your truck is still on the board. That thing is a work of art!

Pie Wagon...Hehehehehehehee

What's to be "ashamed" of??? My creation is not the "end all, cure all" of RC! It's just my idea(s) brought to fruition....just as yours will be!!! It's not a competition. It's about quality, craftsmanship. Design & originality are a personal choice!

Go over HERE (http://www.rcjimsplace.com/frames.html)
for some killer Clods and crawlers. There's a fella there that claims to have over 100 crawlers!! (it won't take you long to find out who!)

I'm "old school" as well, but, my % is a little higher...closer to 90%.:D (I enjoy designing & building maybe more than running them!) The real elation comes from "testing" it after it's all done and if you've done your "homework", only a minor flaw or 2 should surface. Seeing how you work at a place that has some of the best auto designers/engineers in the world......... You fill in the blank.;) :D
(but, that's cheating!!) :D
I'm debating on, for a winter project, making either a tube frame quarter scale MT or a tuber, starting with a New Era frame, using solid axle, cantilever design, tho, not for crawling. dunno yet.

On your Clod project, my advice is to base it on a theme, of sorts, as it makes it so much easier to build, thereby, weeding out the junk & garbage that you don't need to be considering. Then, to steal a line from Nike, "Just do it." Have fun! & PIX!!

[Mustang_child]

Love the truck as i probably stated before i jsut dont remember if i di lol. and i wanted to ask u a question in a pm but ur bins full so i dunno if i should ask it here or not. i dun wanna steal the thread so i wont ask heh. great truck and hope to see the winter project then. c ya.

[RC Jack]

MC, go 'head, PM me, I dumped the bin

[Viperrgh2]

:eek: THAT TRUCK IS SICK!!!!!

[rodmanrc]

very nice rcjack ?????????? what machining tools do you use... and why the 70.

[RC Jack]

Thanks Viper! And as sick as this truck is, there is no cure!


rodmanrc, I useda milling machine & a lathe.
Why a 70? 'cuz a 21 doesn't have enough b@ll$ to move this truck!

[nique]

Originally posted by RC Jack

Why a 70? 'cuz a 21 doesn't have enough b@ll$ to move this truck! and when tuned that engine will stop any monster out their bar none

[JT Racing Maxx]

hows the clutch holding up?

[randominsanity]

My 5 cent's...
WOW You Have Got ONE NICE MONSTER!
I WANT ONE:D :D

[MaxxThrasher]

Hey Jack,

Congratulations! Just saw Pie Wagon in a latest issue. Looks even better on the pages of a magazine.;) :cool:

[RONZI]

What magazine is it in?
And how is your clutch holding up Jack? I cant keep one in my EK4

[JT Racing Maxx]

yeah, hows is the clutch? How much would you make another fan flywheel like like yours for?

[RC Jack]

Thanks Maxx! RCCA will be also doing a feature.

As for the clutch...it's holding up pretty well, tho, I haven't run it for about 3 weeks.

RONZI, the clutch in the 70 is junk, no question there, but, when you mate an engine that has the power that the 70 has, something will have to give sooner or later.
Most people that have the EK are looking for a "miracle cure" and it simply doesn't exist! At best, it will be a trade-off: longevity or performance. The only main problem in using 7075 T6 for the clutch is that the flywheel is also made of alum alloy and one will be grinding against the other as it engages & disengages. About the only cure for that is a piece of stainless shim stock for the alloy clutch to "ride" on.
The only other way is to make the clutch considerably larger than stock, with a matching bell. Then & only then will most any clutch last and have performance.

As for making a flywheel like mine: email me.

(because pix aren't available, this is a direct link to the pix...."Direct Link". (http://www.******.net/media.php?searchstr=user:879&trick=Any&type=Any&time=1068680273&search=search&limit=10) )

[electric130]

i don't see the pics, only little red x's

[RC Jack]

Sorry I haven't responded sooner; I haven't been online much, lately.

I'd post a link to the pix, electric130, but, this forum doesn't allow it, so, I'll post a few of them....at the risk of over exposing.

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/1103/RCJack/nocage3.jpg

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/1103/RCJack/2e67d757.jpg

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/1103/RCJack/074233e6.jpg

[rampbrian]

Mr Jack,

I am still in awe of your truck,

I am hearing that thunder tiger is coming out with a .90 engine for the ek4, have you heard that too? if its any thing like the .70 it should be sick.

I just got my self a mgt, and im severly disapointed in the thunder tiger .21 that is in it.

how much bigger is the thunder tiger .70 than a stock size .21 engine?

I mainly need to know the leingth from the tip of the shaft ( its sg shaft right? ) to the end of the pull start,
my mgt engine measures roughly 4 5/8 inch from the pull start to the tip of the sg shaft. when you get a second, could you measure the tt .70 engine for me?

im thinking that the .70 would kill in the mgt. and if they make a .90 that would be absolute murder.

bty, your truck is the most inovative thing ive ever seen in rc.

[RC Jack]

rampbrian, as for the 90 engine, I'm pretty sure that "idea" was scrapped, possibly due to all of the breakage that the 70 was generating. If you're looking to insall a 70 in your MGT, I'd seriously give some thought the the drivetrain(!!!). In my opinion, I don't think the MGT drivetrain will hold up for very long using a 70 for power.

These measurements should help you out:

PRO-70H
Practical RPM Range 2000-18,000
Output (BHP/ RPM) 2.25/16000 rpm Length Backplate-Thrust Washer mm/ in 83.1/3.27
Height Beam-Top of Cylinder 80/3.15 Crankshaft Thread 5/16 x 24 Beam Width mm/in 42.93/1.69
Weight g/oz 578/20.38

[GT Freak]

nice ride you got there :)

[RONZI]

Jack, have you seen the 3 shoe set up on that new Truckzilla .46 motor is using? I think it should work great in a TTR .70
Its huge and comes with a 19 tooth bell gear.

[RC Jack]

RONZI, most everyone who has an EK has/have clutch problems, and although I've seen that setup and it could work, tho, most EK owners aren't interested in trying something that might work. I haven't had any problems with my clutch setup yet and Pie Wagon tips the scales at a hefty 16.39lbs.
People who have the EK want a clutch that (1). lasts a long time and (2). hooks up well . This ain't gonna happen, especially due to the 21-sized clutch. At best, it'll be a trade-off. If a clutch were made more proportional to the size & output of the 70, there'd be no clutch problems. But, then, a completely new oversized clutchbell would also have to be made, with provisions made for screw-on gearings, much like the aftermarket bells, not to mention a larger flywheel. Granted, I don't beat the living daylights out of Pie Wagon like others do with their EK, but, I don't baby it either. When and if my clutch fails, I'll just install a new one. (I make my own)

[MPDano]

I jsut got a used EK4 and the clutch seems to be holding up so far. Can you send pics of your custom clutch to mpdano@netzero.net?

Thanks,

Leo