OCT RCCA mag. New CEN MT might have a .30 engine

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Just got the OCT 2003 RCCA mag. In there they have a write-up of the CEN Genisis.

They say "heres the scoop" BUT dont lock these specs in yet could change.

4-wheel steering

12 oil filled shocks with reservoirs (8 main 4 after-shocks)

Big-Block racing engine (may even be a .26 or .30)

plus they have whats already been listed in other threads.

CEN put the .30 in put the .30 in
CATS OUT OF THE BAG:)

[Maxx_A_Million]

thatd deffinitely be the "monster power" people were saying was required for a center diff to be necessary...

[JT Racing Maxx]

cant wait till my issue for October arrives. A .30 sounds cool, I wonder who will make it and what kinda starting system.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

On the starting it says, will have electric strarting system. No further info on that.

It not a big article. Its in the "Inside Scoop" section just like 1 paragraph and that picture thats been seen already.

[raptorridr660r]

If they would only give us the price now!!!!!! Sounds like it could be a killer truck.

[CEN Racing]

We plan to use the shaft start system instead of Electric start due to less problem and shaft starter can also be used on Heli.

Price and Engine: .................................................. ...........

[Maxx_A_Million]

cen. . . youre mean!! we need more info! if cen plans on realeasing a kickass truck wthen ill reserve one for myelf through you personally!!

[WheelNut]

I can't even begin to imagine how heavy this thing is going to be. Not to mention expensive, 12 shocks, and a .3 engine, those can't be cheap!

[CEN Racing]

It might be expensive for some people but if you can afford a Savage or T-maxx, you can afford this. Thats all i got to say.

Weight: Not an issue here.

[racinlosi]

Please tell price???!!!!????:( :( :( :D ;) :p OR ELSE.:D :D :D j/k

[CEN Racing]

Didnt I just did?

I cant gave you a exact number right now due to marketing reasons. SORRY So i can give you a estimate

[fezzy]

racinlosi, Stop hassling CEN, You should realise they cannot disclose such information, The truck looks to be in very early stages.

[racinlosi]

O.K......sorry, but can you give up some uptodate info. whenever you can., PLEASE.:( :( :( :( That thing is going to be awsome though. Must get one when it comes out.:D ;) :p Good luck with all the test and stuff on the truck.:)




racinlosi

[Maxx_A_Million]

cen, ive summed it all up... in your honest opinion, if i am to do some race/bashing and lots of bashing/jumping should i get this truck or a savage SS?

email me...
Rc10Terror@Yahoo.com

[CEN Racing]

Seriously, I would rather not answer that question. Though tis pretty clear because our little truck MT2 is kicking ass everyday in stock form. So image what the big brother can do.

[StevePond]

Guys, all the information will come in due time. There a reasons the exact details are not available yet, but as soon as they are, I'm sure you'll know right away.

[Maxx_A_Million]

even if its right after i post this is isnt SOON ENOUGH! lol...

[GreenLantern86]

the thing i want to know is it RTR. it seems really neat and i would look into it. i know it would come with the engine and the shocks, but would it come with servos. and since CEN says they might use a shaft starter would i need a glow iginiter.

[CEN Racing]

It will be RTR.

[GreenLantern86]

:D :D :D :D SWEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry guys, but i am REALLY happy that it is RTR. i have been wanting to get an MT and was looking at a T-Maxx2.5. but since i read about the Genesis i wanted it. Now that i know it is rtr i am DEFFINETLY(sp) getting it. when i get a job

[Maxx_A_Million]

. . . now if only cen would tell us more. . .

[CEN Racing]

ok to make you guys happy:

It comes with 2 speed out of box. Expect some "Crazy Optional tranny" on the side. And no, i am not talking about reverse module.

[racinlosi]

Man, this thing is going to be AWSOME!!!!!:D :D :D :D Traxxas is going to have trouble compared to all of the new MT's that are coming out, including this truck. GREAT PRICE, .30 engine, 2 Speed, and RTR, THIS THING IS AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!

Hey CEN, are you guys going to make this thing in a kit also.:confused: That would be awsome if you did.http://www.*************.com/forum/images/happy.gif

[Maxx_A_Million]

. . . hahaha... cen... why dont you make a mini hondamatic transmission. . . make the tranny a CVT(constantly variable transmission) system... HAHAHA... crazy optional tranny? imma go with the mad force and guess itll be a 3 speed. . .

im glad cen decided to wait to build their truck... let everybody else screw up, then take the best of their trucks, modify it and make it better, and go for it! for all i know CEN may have actually had all this stuff in the planning stages before anybody else... but going on common sense, i still say its a good move either way...

i do have a really cool idea for you though. . . for racers and bashers who dont want to keep up with batts other than radio and glo (dont want an elec start) why couldnt you add a gearbox that upped the gearing to the crankshaft and include a hand crank. . . in the ahape of an H missing the top left nf bottom right lines... lol.... itd be a manual roto-start. . . and if your .30 si similarly sized to the savages .21 or SS's .25, you could sell it as a replacement for the roto start in plac eof a ullstart. . .

just a silly idea. . . but since a starter box cant be used and a pullstart is a big over the top for such a large displacement engine, it sounded cool at the time to me... hehehe...

it does have reverse? id suggest doing that like the savage... make it kit optinal or RTR standard. . . problem is that w/ reverse you have to charge more for the radio and extra servo. . .

oh well. . . ever-awaiting more info...

[Nosaj-Maxx]

This year seems to be gearing up to be very exciting with the monster gt being held up to upgrade the engine the .25 rtr and now CEN coming out to play with the big boys!! Very exciting stuff!

I just hope someone comes out with their new truck at the middle of spetember not freaking october!!

[MaxxThrasher]

CEN is like the underdog that came out of nowhere and put the whoop on everyone. This company has been coming on strong and seems to be doing everything right. Putting out reliable, durable quality products while keeping the cost down will get attention every time. This company is going to be around for a long time. With trucks like these on the market, the T-maxx will be put to rest...six feet under. :)

[Maxx_A_Million]

under the ground or under the genesis that jumps the triple (that the maxx had to double) for the win

lol...

[bad_company_9]

When you say a .30 racing engine, you mean an engine designed specifically for a car and not a heli or airplane engine shoehorned into a mt (TT EK4), right?

[CEN Racing]

yeah, its not going to be a one those heli engine.
We dont just find a engine and pop it on there.

[Maxx_A_Million]

im looking at an 8-11 port engine w/ massive flywheel and beefy clutch connected through (maybe a plastic spur) metal tranny gears to some nice 5-spoke MT wheels...

[randominsanity]

HMMM Competition...
I bet you my soon to be 2.5 maxx(i got an old skool one) could keep up with your new .30 beast, but will it be in the same engine class? a .30 big block vs. a .15 small block(seem's a little lop-sided) but I could be wrong you guy's do make pretty nice product's i gotta admit it:) plus It's nice to see that CEN has enough BALLS to Fight With them Traxxas T-Maxx's unlike all them other's!
I got one word that may pretty well sum up that CEN truck:"Sleeper", it dont look like it can do much harm but whoa doggy look out!:D

[randominsanity]

I guess them fun factor rhino stickers were a cover up all the time huh:confused:
Well i have to say congrats to CEN for the GOOD fight they put up @ the Proline Nitro Maxx Challenge :)

[Maxx_A_Million]

. . . random insanity os ok. . . but make it random, not mass-posting and make it insanity, not freakin stupidity... lay off dude... youre worse than i am, especially because i actually post stuff that makes sence...

btw, tamiya, HPI, cen (already) , and now losi have ALREADY accepted the challenge to the maxx. . . so they werent at any races... THEY DIDNT EXIST COMMERCIALLY YET...

[MaximumSTPro27]

Oh man....i can't wait for this thing to come out.....i've already got an MT2 and that thing run's like a champ and takes a major beating without stopping....If the genesis is anything like the MT2 (performance and reliability wise) it'll blow everything else out of the water.....all those guys witht their all alluminum Maxxes will be siiting there slack-jawed at the fact that they just got their asses handed to them by a company they never heard of....GO CEN!!!!!:D

P.S. sorry.....got a lil' carried away.....:D

[randominsanity]

I was just sayin thaT IT'S NICE TO SEE SOME ONE WHO ACTUALLY HAS A CHANCE BESIDE THE savage( caps lock stuck:p ) and all, but i no what ye mean:D

[lerningdriver]

just don't start fighting (seriously) that's the last thing we need here! Just have truck talk, racing, bashing, or whatever. Just no fighting on RCZONE property :D

[Maxx_A_Million]

that was before the "attn: randominsanity" post. . . lol... no ahrd feelings. . . btw, were still waiting for info on this CEN...

[randominsanity]

Ya old news, plus is CEN on a momentary leave of absence, TTT lol jk:D

[CEN Racing]

Ok here are some scoops:

Expect more than 2 speed out of box
Expect 4 servos on the truck.
And Expect a ridiculous engine

[MaxxThrasher]

That's a lot going on! :eek:

In what stage is it? Is there a working prototype? Can we expect a video any time soon?

[TitansGT4]

this truck is gonna kkick ass, i just hope it doesn't cost that much more than a Savage because i'm only 15 so i wouldn't be able to buy it

[Hairball]

I'm offically interested. :)

[raptorridr660r]

4 servos???? This thing gonna have 4 wheel steering or something???? Sounds sweet

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

3 speed manual? :eek:

[Maxx_A_Million]

i see a centrifital 2 speed with a low and high manual selection... 4 servos?? cens gonna ahve to send a 2100 mah rec pack with the truck! lol... rediculous engine? HELL YEAH!

back to the servos... 1. steering 2. throttle 3. reverse 4. maybe that manual high/low selector, maybe remote flipper? maybe 4ws, maybe even 2wd/4wd selector, heck, maybe even a second clutch-liek thing so you can disengauge the tranny fromt eh motor and rev ti up for those standing starts. . .

even more than the truck id liek to see the radio!!

oh, and cen, if this thing will cost the same as an SS WITH 4 servos and matching radio, CON-FREAKIN-GRATS CEN! and if theyre good servos, im sold... il sell my TC and my sterio and my ps2 to get this sucker. . . i cant WAiT for a review or video now! cmon... you gotta tell u when this sucker will be released. . . or at least tell u when a prototype will be available!

[evolution]

they said earlier that it will have 4 wheel steering didnt they????/

[BoardSlapper]

Yes, it says 4 wheel steering on the web page. So I would guess 2 for stearing, one for throttle/break, and one for forward/reverse.

But there is also supposed to be a 4 disk break system according to the web page. I would imagine you would have two in front, and two behind the center diff. That way you could adjust break bias. But you need some complicated linkage to do throttle, and two sets of breaks, all from one servo, not to mention some serious servo torque.

So whats the scoop CEN?

[Figit090]

4 wheel steering??? that's really cool...but won't it kinda make it suck competitively"?? i can't imagine it turning well.but then again wait a sec....i guess it would help a ton...cause it would have better footing and it would be proactically point and shoot..... all i'm worried about is the reciever pack...i think i'd like to see 6-7 cell stick in there.....you wouldn't have to change those infernal reciever batts so dang much....

i hope it has that 2wd/4wd thing or the rempte clutch...that would be awsome!!! you'd be able to do burnouts and stuff.....i can't wait to see what it looks like.......i just hope to gosh that the servos are nice and the radio dosen't feel like a toy...but as long as it works!!:D

[Skribble]

http://cenracing.com/cars/genesis/pic/chassis.jpg

[Sefro]

that thing is massive..
sefro

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by MaxxThrasher
CEN is like the underdog that came out of nowhere and put the whoop on everyone.

Who exactly did they whoop? I've yet to hear of anyone truly pleased with their CEN. Its a cheapie entry level truck, .....thats all. They will have to do something real special to derail any of the big manufacturers especially if its in the same price range as the Savage and Maxx.

[Nosaj-Maxx]

He is talking about when the driver from Cen spanked a bunch of modified tmaxxes bone stock in the proline race.

[Avalanche]

Come to think of it I did read that recently.

[Hairball]

So they have a working prototype then?

Because the one in the pictures above, ya, the drivelines aren't connected to anything. :)

[Skribble]

Originally posted by Hairball
So they have a working prototype then?

Because the one in the pictures above, ya, the drivelines aren't connected to anything. :) LOL, for some reason I was looking at that, and thought the diff was lower or something. o__O

[Maxx_A_Million]

ok. . . 1st, where in hell did you find that...

2nd, those links... you can barely see one to the left of the skidplate on the bottom arm... cant be shocks, cant be for the 3rd shock either... maybe swaybars?? hmmm...

3rd, yes that thing is massive...

4th, nto visible driveline in the front, but im nto sure sure about the back. . . i need a freakin video. . . lol

[Hairball]

nto?

SPEAK ENGLISH!!

[Maxx_A_Million]

Originally posted by Maxx_A_Million
ok. . . 1st, where in hell did you find that...

2nd, those links... you can barely see one to the left of the skidplate on the bottom arm... cant be shocks, cant be for the 3rd shock either... maybe swaybars?? hmmm...

3rd, yes that thing is massive...

4th, nto visible driveline in the front, but im nto sure sure about the back. . . i need a freakin video. . . lol

OK:
First I'd like to know where that picture was attained from.

Second, In that picture there appears to be some sort of ball end barely jutting out and slightly visible beyond the skid plate. What could it be for?

Third, I agree, that truck is surely large

Fourth, No visibly axles in the front, but the back is too covered to see. I'd like to see a prototype of this truck run in a video.

Add on:

Look at the back shock on top. It appears to be compressed greatly. Also, no cooling head is visible. The cooling head on a .30 cid nitro engine would be very large and deffinitely visible from the given angle.

I'm about 70% sure that picture is fake. Look at the body posts!

there... nearly perfect gramar the entire message. . . whatd it get me? about 5 minutes less in life than i had before i sat down...

[BoardSlapper]

http://www.cenracing.com

They have a few pics there that appear to be from CAD or something. I think we won't see this kit for another 6 months.

[Hairball]

Thank you. :)

[Maxx_A_Million]

lol sarchasm is fun. . .

btw, where DID this pic come from anyway?? i still say theres a good chance its a fake...

[Hairball]

It came from here -

http://cenracing.com/cars/genesis/pic/chassis.jpg

You really think they'd host a fake picture on there own website? I really doubt that.

(if you right click on the picture and go to proporties you can see where its coming from... )

[Maxx_A_Million]

hehe. . . oh... gotta admit though, them little body posts are LITTLE... tiny... gonna break. . . fast. . .

other than that the truck looks kickass in general. . .

[Skribble]

LoL .. I was suprised no one posted the picture before I did.

ok. . . 1st, where in hell did you find that... All you gotta do is right click > properties. And there's the URL.

[Maxx_A_Million]

i call it "being oblivious"

[Hairball]

Originally posted by Maxx_A_Million
hehe. . . oh... gotta admit though, them little body posts are LITTLE... tiny... gonna break. . . fast. . .

If you keep the rubber side down you won't have that problem...

[Maxx_A_Million]

im talking about liek landing a big jump theyl flex so bad theyll warp and break. . .

cen, please tell me that thing will ahve better production body posts. . . high impact nylon stuff. . . lol...

[Hairball]

Maybe if you don't abuse the thing, it'll work just fine.

Everything has its limits....

[Maxx_A_Million]

... but on a monster truck the limits are supposed to be higher than those will allow...

[deekortiz]

3 speed, 4 wheel steering, .30 engine hmm fastest rtr mt yet with good handling too hmmm only time will tell i wonder if it will hit at least 50 stock maybe only time will tell...

[CEN Racing]

That picture was taken long time ago so that might explain the little details that does not blend in. Thanks for pointing it out, i will host the lastest pictures after i return from hobby Vision

[alphax43]

are the resivors on the shocks functional? (please say yes!)

K Man

[Maxx_A_Million]

when will you get back... we need pics!

[Maxx_A_Million]

(crap... cant edit posts here)

oh, and btw, that thing loosk big enough that it could really be helped by heavier springs. . .

better yet... cen, talk to someone about dual rate springs stock. . . how freakin cool would that be??

btw, hwo ahve the top shocks held up when the truck flips??

[Hairball]

So the shock on top of the shock tower acts as an ajustable sway bar.

[CEN Racing]

the top shocks will most likely not comes with truck.

[Hairball]

So its just going to be a T-maxx with a bigger engine and 4WS?

[Maxx_A_Million]

ok. . . pardon my venting:

you moron. . .

in the cad things, in the 2st pic, nd still in the 2nd one, its got LATERAL CHASSY PLATES... when in hell have you ever seen a tmaxx with lateral chassy plates?? you HAVENT... if youre going to do the noobish thing and call it a clone then call ti a clone of a savage. . . at least youll get the single biggest and most basic ID-able part of the truck right...

ok. . . that being said, no it wont be a maxx with 4wd... itll be a CEN... itll be a genesis. . . it will be one kickass truck and a truck that will eat a 2.5 maxx for breakfast. . . (back me up on this cen...)

[Skribble]

d00d! Don't mind Hairball, he's old and blind. :p :p :p :D :D :D

[Viperrgh2]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: omg maybe I should sell my t-maxx early before no one wants one...lol The only thing I am concered about is well I do believe the enge will be enuff to power the thing but if it gets really heavy even if the power/weight ratio is ok how it gonna jump ok if the thing like over 15 lbs.! and why can hobby vision be over already!!!! lol

[Hairball]

Originally posted by Maxx_A_Million
if youre going to do the noobish thing and call it a clone then call ti a clone of a savage. . . at least youll get the single biggest and most basic ID-able part of the truck right...


Ok, fine. Its a Savage clone, which is a 'Maxx suspension system clone. (longer shocks, big whoop)

So its a clone of a clone with a few changes here and there to make it somewhat "unique" in the mess of 'Maxx clones on the market right now.

A "refined" clone if you will.....

[jrd21]

Ok, fine. Its a Savage clone, which is a 'Maxx suspension system clone. (longer shocks, big whoop)

OK Hairball, (noobie), you are definitely digging yourself a bigger hole.

Not only does the CEN and Savage chassis set-ups look nothing like a T-Maxx but dude the last time I looked the T-Maxx used a pillow ball suspension set-up not a c-hub like the Savage and the T-Maxx does not use super long shocks nor do the shocks mount on the end of the arms. At least if you are going to claim something is a clone get your facts half way straight, please.

Later,

Jason

[Hairball]

So the pillow ball setup is what make a 'Maxx a 'Maxx?

COME ON! What is the biggest identifiable feature of a 'Maxx?

The suspension. Long, double a-arms, and dual shocks on each one. Four wheel drive, maybe...

Just because you change a few things here and there (improvements are welcome) does not mean you've designed a new truck from the ground up!

CEN took the T-Maxx suspension, bolted it up to a savage style chassis, maybe a few tweaks here and there, and are calling it "genesis".

The shocks above the shock towers look neat and all (although I'm not exactly sure what they do), but according to CEN, they are not coming with the truck.

[jrd21]

The shock on top of the shock tower will act like a sway bar it will keep the big truck more planted in the turns. They make one of those same setups aftermarket for the T-Maxx and they work. I believe that RC Trix makes the item they call it aftershock I believe.

Later,

Jason

[Hairball]

Originally posted by jrd21
The shock on top of the shock tower will act like a sway bar it will keep the big truck more planted in the turns.

Thats what I figured, but wasn't sure.

But CEN said that the truck WAS NOT going to have those, so thats one less thing to set it apart from everything else out there.

[CEN Racing]

The shocks are minor details compare to what we are offering. BIGGEST MONSTER TRUCK WITH BIGGEST ENGINE SIZE. If thats not enough, i dont know what to say. :D

[Hairball]

Biggest engine? So its bigger than a .70 or a .90?

Biggest truck? Its larger than the Ofna Titan? Even the Dual Engine Titan?

[CEN Racing]

oh, come on, we can not be bothered by some "heli" engine thats not even meant to be in a truck.

wheel/tire alone is 7.5 inch. :D Its not as wide due to vertical chassis but its longer and bigger tire.

[Hairball]

Sorry. I am really interested in your truck. I just like to play the devil's advocate. :D

[CEN Racing]

its cool. Bring it on. I can tell you anything but what engine it will come with and other top sercret info.

[Hairball]

I think the shaft start is cool as hell. I've been thinking about converting my Mad Force over to this type of setup, since I already have a .60 size Heli with a shaft starter. :D

You mentioned before about removing the top shock option. Is it going to be an add on kit or something?

[CEN Racing]

We are more toward shaft starting system over electric start.

It will most likely to have 3 speed tranny with reverse and a 210-240cc fuel tank.

[Hairball]

What kind of run times are you getting with that large fuel tank? And I'd really like to see the three speed with reverse, something I wish I had on my Mad Force. :p

[Maxx_A_Million]

hairball has removed himself from the clouds. . . lol...

had to rag on someone ;)

anyway, 3 speed fwd/reverse... assuming theres a working prototype, is the tranny big, bulky, etc. liek the terra crusher? smaller but still blky like the maxx, or more liek the mad force with no real tranny and just a few gears??

will it be a "transmission" or will it be more like a 1/8 buggy or touring car? if it is a transmission design, does it ahve significant slack like the TC does?? and PLEASE tell em the breakes are mounted on the axles, not up on top of the transmission... thats the signle stupidest thing on the TC... there HAD to be another way to do the reverse brake...

also, with 4 servos, im assuming that its going to be a maxx-style fwd/reverse... (yay if so, crap if not...)

whats the word on battery pack lifetimes?? im anxious to hear that...

also, a feature to consider including... amek the rerar steering convertable to fwd onyl steering with ball ends. . . amek it so that for racing you can simply take the ball ends off the servo head, put them on some ball studs w/o messing up the toe and then just unplug the back servo fromt he Y-harness and vuala(sp?)- a fws only vehicle legal (besides the negine and fuel tank... ok not so legal) monster truck...

CEN, how bout some better chassy pics? when can we hear abotu the engine and some other "super secret stuff"?

thx again...
-tony

im still waiting for that email about an pre-release tester...

[Skribble]

w00t w00t! Who got the hook ups?! (Not really, I was just surfing around).

http://www.wildhobbies.com/news/wildhobbies/Hobbyvision2004/CEN_genesis1.jpg

[Hairball]

Got any pics of it next to a current monster truck?

Savage, T-Maxx, Mad Force, etc....

[Maxx_A_Million]

skribble... that is most deffinitely not on cenracing.com... i should probably just goto the proterties... is that actually supposed to be a genesis? it sure aint a savage...

[Nitroaddict]

This truck is definately very Savage like in looks, with the engine and fuel tank swapped to opposite sides..that is definately not a bad thing though. I really love my savage and think it is one of the coolest designs out to date, hopefully CEN has made the radio tray more accesible than the Savage. I am also really liking the sound of a .30 engine as well as the three speed tranny with reverse...I hope this truck is as good as it is starting to look!!

Nitroaddict

[muswagon]

In regards to the clone wars, no company can this one. Here is one example, if a company puts two shocks per side like the Maxx, people say CLONE! If they only put one shock per side, they say thats not good enough, look at the Maxx, it has two per side. Calling anything a clone is idiotic. What was the first 'real' car in North America, I think it was the model T, are all cars after that Clones? Come on guys, there are only so many designs that can be utilized, some look like others because they work. Should someone desgin something uinque like Homer did on that Simpsons episode when he bankrupts his brothers car company? Thought not. (although it would be cool if Homer designed an RC car!!).

[Hairball]

Originally posted by muswagon
In regards to the clone wars, no company can this one. Here is one example, if a company puts two shocks per side like the Maxx, people say CLONE! If they only put one shock per side, they say thats not good enough, look at the Maxx, it has two per side. Calling anything a clone is idiotic. What was the first 'real' car in North America, I think it was the model T, are all cars after that Clones? Come on guys, there are only so many designs that can be utilized, some look like others because they work. Should someone desgin something uinque like Homer did on that Simpsons episode when he bankrupts his brothers car company? Thought not. (although it would be cool if Homer designed an RC car!!).

I knew someone was going to try the 1:1 car defense. Good job! :p

[CEN Racing]

Thats a True Genesis. Thats the one we showing at Hobby Vision. Of course, again, we are not showing engiens and other secret stuff.

[muswagon]

It looks good. CEN god, is it safe to say that this truck is aimed at bashing, or do you think it will be competitive? If it is best for bashing, are you planning to take advantage of your recent positive racing results to update the MT2?

[CEN Racing]

Its very race worthy. We are aiming to show up and kick some ass at Norrca Nats if we can have everything dial in by next week or two.

Basically, in race segment, expect way more than what MT2 can do, thats the best way to put in.

[BoardSlapper]

Can you tell us how the servo's work along with the steering and braking system? Is it one servo for braking/throttle, one for forward reverse, and two for stearing?

is it a centre diff type system with breaks for and aft, to be able to adjust brake bias?

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by Nitroaddict
...I hope this truck is as good as it is starting to look!!

Nitroaddict


The thing is, its not looking like anything! Its all rumor and speculation, there isnt even a working prototype. To simply say it might have this, and it might have that is not anything to get excited about. You guys are cracking me up. I can see it already, CEN Genesis vs. Tmaxx and Savage treads galore, why wait, lets start them now.

[CEN Racing]

Its a working prototype. We remove anything we dont want to show for marketing reasons such as engine, 4WS...etc. We dont show final spec yet because its still under testing so its pointless to publish specs thats not final. But features wise, I can answer questions in that area because they dont tend to change.

Can you tell us how the servo's work along with the steering and braking system? Is it one servo for braking/throttle, one for forward reverse, and two for stearing?

One for thorttle. One for reverse. Two for steering. Front and Rear individual servos.

is it a centre diff type system with breaks for and aft, to be able to adjust brake bias?

Yes, you can adjust front and rear brake seperately

[r.c.dealer]

Is there any targeted release date for the Genesis?

[CEN Racing]

Possible for Christmas but not later than Januray

[Maxx_A_Million]

Originally posted by Maxx_A_Million
is the tranny big, bulky, etc. liek the terra crusher? smaller but still blky like the maxx, or more liek the mad force with no real tranny and just a few gears??

does the tranny have significant slack like the TC does??

PLEASE tell me the breakes are mounted on the axles, not up on top of the transmission...

whats the word on battery pack life??

when can we hear about the engine and some other "super secret stuff"?

im still waiting for that email about an pre-release tester...


... i think those qualify as "features" not secret sutff. . . and if any of it is secret, just be really vague... the last part. . "pweeeze??"

[379]

if this truck is better than the mt2(which i just got done breaking in) thenit will kick some ass nice pic there crushing a electric onroad i like the red chassis better than the purple one on my mt2(not that i care much it runs great) just one minor detail about the engine try to ensire the instructions dont say to set it so rich it loads up with fuel and wont run for 2sec i had to lean my mt2 .25 a turn to get it to run long enuff to drive it overall i like the genisis and would be a nice partner truck to my mt2 for things the mt2 just cant do

[CEN Racing]

4 disks are mounted next the center diff. 2 on each side

Battery pack life will dpend on what battery you buy. Get some 4000 then you are good.

[BoardSlapper]

Thansk CEN. Do you have any more we could see.

http://www.cenracing.com/cars/genesis/pic/chassis.jpg

And here are some more questions.

Is it decided that it will have a shaft start system? Is there no way a starter box could be used, if the engine was mounted nice and low.

Is there going to be a RTR kit, and a build it yourself kit?

Any chance you could include an extra pinion or spur, that would be good for the 6" size tires, in case people start saying that is the size you need to use for the monster truck racing class.

[Maxx_A_Million]

4000 mah!? JEESE!

ive never seen a battery besides lithium that can hold 4000 mah and not weight 5 lbs... how can you really expect a newb to find a 4000 mah pack? how long will ti last at race conditions on AAs??

[Skribble]

Originally posted by Hairball
Got any pics of it next to a current monster truck?

Savage, T-Maxx, Mad Force, etc.... LoL .. I was on WildHobbies looking at the Hobby Vision link. :) I'm assuming I was the only one or one of the first to see the Cen Gen pictures.

[BoardSlapper]

Originally posted by Maxx_A_Million
4000 mah!? JEESE!

ive never seen a battery besides lithium that can hold 4000 mah and not weight 5 lbs... how can you really expect a newb to find a 4000 mah pack? how long will ti last at race conditions on AAs??

I'm thinking that much would get you a full days run time. But I am sure that a 1000 mah pack would be more than enough for racing, with maybe one charge during the day.

[CEN Racing]

4000mah is not required but thats what we always use. So...

Shaft start is almost a certain thing because you wouldnt want to electric start a engine that size.

It will be a RTR only on the 1st batch. Kit version might be possbile depend on market response.

AA will not last long in the GENESIS because we talking about controlling 4 high torque servos oppose to regular monster truck with 2 standard servos.

[BoardSlapper]

OK, so tell us about the tires and rims CEN. So they are going to be 7.5" right? are they a standard rim, but larger tires? or are the rims larger as well?

Are there any tire/rim companies preparing for the release of this truck, and are starting to make products for it already?

[Nitroaddict]

Where are you guys getting a 4000mah receiver pack, I would love to have one of those?


Nitroaddict

[2 F45T 4 U]

i have a 2400 mah rx battery in my maxx powering to high torque servos and one standard and it will last bout 2 weeks constant bashing before it needs recharging. it does weigh a lot bout 300 grams and stops my maxx wheelying but it is probably the best hop up ive ever got.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by BoardSlapper
OK, so tell us about the tires and rims CEN. So they are going to be 7.5" right? are they a standard rim, but larger tires? or are the rims larger as well?

Are there any tire/rim companies preparing for the release of this truck, and are starting to make products for it already?

Like 20 posts back there is a pic showing the tires/rims. Looks like x-large rims low profile tires.

[BoardSlapper]

Is there anything else about it you can tell? How is the release date looking? Are there any more pictures we could see?

How will the start system work. Should we go out and buy an HPI roto starter? Or are you going to have your own?

Is the fuel tank going to be a nice primerless tank, or have crap in it that is going to cause air leaks.

What kind of body will it come with? Are they going to be a standard size?

What kind fo hop-ups are you planning, aside from the extra shocks/sway bar kit that will go on top of the bulkheads.

[raptorridr660r]

Good questions BoardSlapper!! How about it Cen????

[CEN Racing]

Check our website later on today for most updated pictures.

We still dont want to release engine size yet. Tough, I can tell you its between .21 ~ .50.

Fuel tank is actual around 230cc and primerless. Its going to be a straight out flawless tank.

We will have our own roto start. Cant be bothered with others.

Body will not be standard size because truck is so much bigger than others, it will look funny with a small body.

Hop ups wise, we will offer the commom ones as usual. Aluminum stuff, shinny stuff. We also plan to send a Genesis to JT, Hardcore, New Era...etc as soon as they are complete for aftermarket support.

[MaxxThrasher]

CEN, the truck looks freakin' awesome!! Can't wait until it comes out.

With the dimentions being larger then most MTs out there, would it be concidered 1/6th scale?

[BoardSlapper]

I haven't run a Savage, or any of the other trucks. Only played with a maxx. It had plastic skid plates front and rear, and we actually ended up breaking the front one. In the pics of the Genesis, below the chrome bumper (plastic?), there appears to be a grill of some sort there. Any chance this is metal? Or is there a skid plate there of some sort that is going to be able to stand up to some huge air?

Will your roto start possably have the glow lighter run off the battery in the starter, or will it have to be separate? I loved having a starter built into my starter box for my Nitro car, so it would be nice to have these two together as well. Will the rotostart have a hex head type connection, or a tog bone type like others.

[Maxx_A_Million]

... *drool* i sense a new background coming on. . .

done... hahaha...

cen, where do you get 4000 mah rec packs??? run 2 2000mah packs?? make sure the rotostart hold up. . . ive heard a LOT of bad things about them...

how about a recomended/required items list??

also, being as heavy as this thing is, and with or without the extra shocks, how does this thing handle the big big air?

[CEN Racing]

my bad. I meant to say 1400 not 4000. Sorry.

Required Item list: FUEL AND BATTERY. Possible Glow Ignitor but not finalize yet.

Though its big, its not that Heavy. It will handle jumps perfectly with standard 8 "giant" shocks with reserviors.

[BoardSlapper]

Well, I don't see the new pics on the site yet CEN?? :D


Any chance there is a video coming up soon? And is it pronounced like "sen" or "C. E. N."?

And please see my questions at the bottom of the previous page if you missed them.

[CEN Racing]

come on, i am still at work. I will upload it tonight.

I dont have details on the roto system. I will keep you updates though. Let me go dig it up from R&D guys.

We are doing a video right now. Should be done within this week.

CEN suppose to pronounce as "SEN" however, because of HPI is pronounce as H. P. I, so some people start saying C. E. N. But really, CEN is a single phrase not a abreviation.

[Maxx_A_Million]

very cool. . . cna i help with anything??

id liek to do somehting and maybe get a discount since you didnt take me up on the offer of a pre-release tester/good reviewer...

also, "giant"? like... bigger than stock TC? theyre barely bigger than traxxas big bores. . . also, on the wheels... ive had 2 TC wheels just freakin FALL OFF now... one while doing donuts (rear) and one about 20 minutes ago via a WOT crash into a concrete stair... yes, the arms are durable... but why arent the wheels durable at all!? lol... i hope htis doent happen with this truck... ??

turnbuckles. . . do they develop slack?? the ones on my TC are pretty loose by now. . . the back left one requires no pressure at all to slip off and on...

so... youre the cen guy who does the website, video, etc.?? whats your position at cen anyway...

[CEN Racing]

Size wise, Its bigger than TC. NO KIDDING. Engine size, its bigger than .21 but smaller than .50 So take a guess

All i got to say is dont worry about durability.

NO, i am not the one do website and video but they seat close to me so i can just ask them to take some additional time to upload it. I wouldnt be able to get R&D info until i talk to the guys down there.

[BoardSlapper]

OK CEN, are you guys all outside playing with this thing, and neglecting us, your followers, who are dying to get one of these for Christmas???

Where's the new pics? Wheres the video?

B:D

[Maxx_A_Million]

im looking at thw website now. . . hmmm... i still havent put it on my favorites. . . omg. . . will do. . .

can we get a ballpark on the video??

also, on the negine, i think anything over .40 really gets too big to rev really high so im still going to stick somewhere around .25 to .35 1400 receiver pack... what a load off. . . ;)

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Is it going to have the RED chassis thats shown in the pic?

[CEN Racing]

I will check on the website. We also have the CT4 S video done. 73mph in a parking lot. Dont need airport runway.

Yes, Coca-Cola Red will be the standard color.

[379]

how hard is the engine to keep running and how many starts does one rotostart battery get u

[BoardSlapper]

Can you give us a weight CEN? Or is that just going to make the big A cry. How well does it handle jumping? Is it balanced in the air? Can I expect to be able to get one by early 2004?

[Racer Rob]

Wow I am impressed for sure. I like the red chassis plates.

I have a couple questions.

1. Does it have 14mm wheel hex's so you can use Maxx wheels?

2. Are the shock resivors for looks or working?

3. Are the driveshafts plastic?

[2 F45T 4 U]

he sed the tyres are 7.5 and tmaxx tyres are 5.5:p

[Maxx_A_Million]

dude.. the tire/wheel size has nothing to do with hex size. . .

also, as far as the resevoirs, they wont be included, and cen said it didnt need anything to be a good jumper. . .

[CEN Racing]

Lastest updates: Reserviors are included and yes, they are 100% functional.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

OK I checked the DEC, 03 RCCA magazine for places that sell CEN products, the only one I saw was E HOBBIES.
What other well known places sell CEN?
Any chance Tower Hobbies might?


OH and I just have to ask this.
The new XTM MAMMOTH is claimed to go 50mph. This Genesis with a 3speed can we look forward to about the same speed; faster than a maxx?

[379]

tower dont carry them i already checkes besides ehbbies has every part available anywayz

[Cal-Torque]

CEN, where are those new pics?

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

What about the ground clearance?


I found a few other Cen dealers. :)

[BoardSlapper]

Originally posted by CEN Racing
73mph in a parking lot. Dont need airport runway.

Does this answer your questions Q&S?? :D

[Ninja Viper]

Originally posted by CEN Racing
I will check on the website. We also have the CT4 S video done. 73mph in a parking lot. Dont need airport runway.

Yes, Coca-Cola Red will be the standard color.

Board Slapper, you need to include the rest of the quote. This speed rating is for the CT4 S, not the Genesis.

[BoardSlapper]

Oops. Guess I misunderstood CEN. Sorry guys.

[2 F45T 4 U]

hey maxx a million i was just saying the tyres are way bigger so who'd want to put tyres that would look too small on it?

[Maxx_A_Million]

again, tire/wheel size has nothing to do with hex size. . . buggies can use the same zize hex as a maxx, wich uses the same size as a TC, wich used the same size as a savage, wich uses the same size as the pro-line 40 series tires, wich most likely use the same size as the genesis wheels.

the hex has nothign to do with how a hweel looks, etc. its ihhden and is only used for dispersing rotational force over a larger area of the wheel...

[2 F45T 4 U]

u still dont get it, 7.5 replaced with a 5.5 tyre is 2 inches smaller tyres on truk = silly looking truk.
the end

[379]

hes talking about the tire diameter dumbass

im not flaming u tho

[Maxx_A_Million]

not end of story. . . youve taken a "no, its this way" discussion to a "youre an idiot" discussion... you asked about if the maxx wheels would fit... YES THEY WILL! any wheel that uses the same size hex and is big enough to clear the hub (anything bigger than 3 inches) will fit on ANY TRUCK with that hex size!...

wait...

or are you truly an idiot and said "wheel" instead of "tire"?

if so, then no the stock tmaxx "tires" wont fit on the cen's "wheels"... the cens "tires" wont fit the maxx "wheels"

a tmaxx wheel/tire combo will fit a genesis, same as a genesis wheel/tire combo will fit a tmaxx. . .

geese...

[Maxx_A_Million]

Originally posted by BoardSlapper
OK, so tell us about the tires and rims CEN. So they are going to be 7.5" right? are they a standard rim, but larger tires? or are the rims larger as well?

Are there any tire/rim companies preparing for the release of this truck, and are starting to make products for it already?

point is, other WHEELS wich fit OTHER TIRES WILL fit... and even fi they dont, there will soon be adapters... tire size itself has nothing to do with it... the jumbo kong tires, wich are like 8 inches tall, sit on a barely-bigger-than-stock-maxx wheel...

[2 F45T 4 U]

ok ur taking this to far now all i was saying is the tmaxx has smaller wheels/tyres and it wouldnt look rite on a truk wif large tyres/wheels. this is a good thread please do not ruin ti for the rest of us.

[BoardSlapper]

So whats the latest news CEN? Are there any more details you can release?


Is the center diff and 3 speed integrated, or does the 3 speed actually come directly off the engine? Where would an upgrade reverse kit fit into there? How much of the engine head sticks out of the body?

[CEN Racing]

3 speed is connect to engine. Reverse is standard on the Genesis.

Fuel tank is around 240cc, 3 speed forward/Reverse. 4 wheel Steering and "Dimension X" 10 coil over system as standard features are still debating.

[Maxx_A_Million]

the 4ws i say make it option... as for the shocks... id take them over 4ws any day, but how much can we ask for? we already get the resevoirs...

[379]

if i can get the genisis i may lock the 4ws anyway so it would be a great option for some models like what u guys have done with the funfactors with all the available factory packages and all like a top of the line genisis with the whole 9 yards and a baseline genisis with no reverse and no 4ws

[BlutoSigPi]

Here's my opinion so far. Looks like a REALLY cool truck. The huge gas tank is the way to go...especially if it has a big engine. Lets hope for a .40. I think the shocks on the top of the towers are gay. If the truck needs them...come up with some larger shocks. When I see stuff like that all I can think of is higher CG and that is not fun IMO. If your going to do 4ws then do it right. Do a progressive 4ws system so it doesn't oversteer when your going fast. Most of the rear tire swing can happen in the last 30% of the throw. You also don't have to have the rear tires swing as far as the front tires. Rather have the truck push a little at high speed instead of traction rolling at 50mph. :eek: Just sayin if the 4ws isn't done right it will be annoying and people will lock the rear anyway. Anyway...try to keep the CG low CEN. Ground clearance and jump handling is cool, but it's pointless if the truck is on it's lid all the time. A dual pickup tank would also be a cool feature...one of the coolest features on the MGT I think. Just my $0.02.

[2 F45T 4 U]

do u still keep to your werd of this all costing the same as a savage or a tmaxx?

[MaxxDaddy]

If it is built in China like most everyting else in RC, it will cost the same or less. The FF is a copy of the TMaxx and costs about $100 less, so I am sure the factory in China can produce this and still sell it for the same price as a TMaxx. Most of us would agree that a TMaxxs/Savages/RC cars in general are overpriced, but the Manufacturers have us by the Kahunas because they are the sole producers. Most of the time I can buy a used RC car for 1/2 of its new price? Often times in fairly new condition. That is because like real cars, the true value isn't realized until after a purchase is made. I will now step off my soapbox!

[CEN Racing]

All of our stuff is built in Taiwan in our own facilities. Therefore, we can ensure its done right even if it cost a lot more.

The CG and Ground Clearance on the Genesis is low. Same as the Suspension travel. Its not like the Savage with ridiculous long shocks. We did put race into consideration because we know some people will race it.

The Horizontal shocks is not a must have to maintain good jumping ability but it sure look cool and it will provide even better ability that the standard 8 shocks cant. Note: The Standard Shocks on the Genesis is a lot larger than any 1/8 MT out there, just like the wheel.

Switching from 4WS to 4WD is as easy as a filp of switch. Take no more than 30 secs.

[BoardSlapper]

Sorry to bug you about this again CEN, but any chance we are going to see some more pics or a video any time soon?

And how about a possable release date? Are they still totally in testing, or is there any chance you are tooling up the factory already?

And by your last post, did you mean switching from 4WS to Front only is simple?

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CEN Racing

The CG and Ground Clearance on the Genesis is low. Same as the Suspension travel.
[/QUOTE
oooh That hurts. Why all the shocks then with the lack of suspension travel?
OK lets put it this way will the clearance and travel be equal or less than the t-maxx? 3.5 inch

My Quake has 3 inch ground clearance and travel I would like my next truck to have more.

[CEN Racing]

All i was trying to say is that its not going to be like the Savage with ridiculous long shocks. thats all. But its going to have pletny suspension travel. Just not like the savages.

Pardon my poor english

[2 F45T 4 U]

wats the estimated release date and price? the reason im so interested is i want to get a truk for xmas but if this fits my budget and is released close to xmas ill wait.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by CEN Racing

Pardon my poor english

No problem at all.:) My wife is from Thailand and so I'm use to a little miscommunication at times.

[BoardSlapper]

You have anything more for us CEN? What decisions have been made? Whats it going to come with, and what are we going to have to buy as add ons.

Can you tell us about the diffs. Are they 4 gear? What kind of lube do they come with? Should we buy some diff lock? Is there a video coming soon? I wann see how this think looks in the air.

[CEN Racing]

Here is a prototype of the engine. Final Spec will be released soon.

[BoardSlapper]

Looking good CEN. I know I certainly don't speak for everyone, but even though that engine doesn't look flashy, I would take that over some fancy heat sync, if it keeps the cost down. Although I am sure everything will look sweet when your done. Thanks again for the update.

[Nitroaddict]

That doesn't happen to be a bored out .25/.26 force engine does it? It looks like the force symbol on the crankcase...

[BoardSlapper]

Umm, I know that won't make the masses happy. I see the screw holes. I hope that is changing CEN.

[CEN Racing]

Good eye. Thats the prototype. The final spec will be rear exhaust.

And No, its not a .25/.26.

[Sefro]

who is gonna manufacture the engine cen or are you gonna contract someone else to do it?
Sefro

[CEN Racing]

We always manufacture our own engines..etc

[kcobra]

Comming from a racing perspective, I would say get rid of the shocks on top of the shock towers. That's just something to easily break in a roll over and looks kinda ghetto'ish.

Also. make it easy to lock out the rear wheel steering without causing reliability problems. Final thing would be to use standard 1/8th scale buggy hexes on the wheels instead of the smaller T-Maxx size wheel hexes.

[BoardSlapper]

Thanks for the update on the engine CEN. You rock. How about the start system? How is that coming along? Have you decided on what kind of connection between the starter and engine? Will it be a dog bone style, or a hex style, or what?? Is there any way you could sell and adapter, that we could just through in our cordless drill?

[Nosaj-Maxx]

Originally posted by MaxxDaddy
The FF is a copy of the TMaxx and costs about $100 less,

By FF do you mean Fun Factor?? If being a MT is a copy then yeah:rolleyes: Thats is where the similarities end.



This new truck is shaping up to be a killer machine.


Cen I would watch out calling the Savage shock length rediculous. That truck drives away from some insane drops and that is not rediculous... Check out the crashnbash videos at savage-central.com by having a design so similar we should expect similar performance and toughness.

[AJH]

I agree on the top shocks I would rather have the functional resevoir on the shock. I would imagine that you have a volume comensating foam in the res. The other way would be for a sealed pistion and a spring that you can set the preload but that would be too complex.

Questions for CEN RACING


What is the displacement on the engine at this point?

When is the production prototype going to be finished and announced?

What is the ground clearance?

Are you going to angle that skid under the front bumper more so that the truck does not get hung up on that and will use the skid as a ramp like the tmaxx?

Will a Kit be made as well as RTR? At very least an ATR kit so that we can put a high quality radio and save some money.

Are you working on Hop-ups already or have you submitted the truck to any hopup manufacturers?

[379]

does that prototype engine run and has the truck moved on its own yet

[2 F45T 4 U]

earliyer in the thread it says sumit bout they have run it.

[ElectricThunder]

All I have to say is that this truck looks like it can kick some serious ass so far.:D

[Maxx_A_Million]

. . . still no pics or videos on cen... not even for the sr4-s or whatever that we ahve confirmed a video for. . .

whats the word cen? btw, at least get a red heat sink to satisfy all the mecha-noobs who read the genesis vs maxx topics... lol...

thanks for the engine update... is it normal .21 rear exhaust? if so, make it like the tmaxx rear ehxaust!

btw, is the exhaust secured? my TC has a 2.5 in it and i snapped the header cuz i didnt support my pipe...

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by kcobra
Comming from a racing perspective, I would say get rid of the shocks on top of the shock towers. That's just something to easily break in a roll over and looks kinda ghetto'ish.

Back a few pages was mention no top shocks but 8 BIG shocks/res.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by AJH

Are you working on Hop-ups already or have you submitted the truck to any hopup manufacturers?

Was stated JT, Hardcore, New Era will be sent trucks.

[Viperrgh2]

woah.. looks big :) i think i shud start saveing my pennies now..lol LOOKS SWEET! what kind of exhuast will it come wit? plastic? alluminum? and how tuned...

[CEN Racing]

Production is still under testing. Will announce when finished.

We are in the process of "coloring" the engine up a bit. Case, cooling head..etc Thats just a testing prototype

Exhaust is secured. And it will be rear exhaust instead of side exhaust shown in the picture. Most importantly, thats not a .21 class engine in the pic. :D

It will be available as RTR only in the first batch.

"Dimension X" 10 coil over system will be standard on the truck. 10 giant shocks is always better than 8. And dont worry, it wont break.

[CEN Racing]

Here is a picture of the ceter main tranny. Ignore the 2 speed.

[379]

thats real nice but has it moved under its own power yet CEN Racing

[CEN Racing]

uh... yeah, how are we suppose to test it if it wont move? :D

[379]

push it with a MT2 can u get a pic of it sitting on/next to a red body MT2 i have a MT2 with the red body and will probably end up with a genisis will the genisis engine physically fit in the MT2

[Maxx_A_Million]

sweet. . . will the brakes be mounted to the axles? oh yeah. . . center diff... its gottta be. . .

when can we get eve more pics and some better specs? how about a picture of the included shocks newxt to standard or big bore shocks?

either way, tranny looks good...

[Racer Rob]

A center diff would be sweet. Then it would actually turn good, and you could adjust brake bias.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by CEN Racing
uh... yeah, how are we suppose to test it if it wont move? :D

I know. Do like Traxxas and tie a string to it. ha ha ha :)

[379]

i think i see a 45mph+ top speed in the genisis

[BoardSlapper]

Are you using Hudy spring steel in this thing CEN? The outputs off the diff look exactly like the ends of the shafts that go into the hubs on the Xray.

Could you post that pic with something beside it so we could see a size comparison. Like a pencil.

[2 F45T 4 U]

earlier in the thread its next to a cen car (is it a cen gx1 cos i have one of those) and its 1/10 scale.

[Maxx_A_Million]

. . . its not quite engine displacement, or engien tiself, so can you tell us what kind of clutch this thing will have??

[BoardSlapper]

I imagine CEN is saying ignore the clutch, because it is going to have a 3 speed. This truck is gonna rock. I am getting one for sure.

[CEN Racing]

Here is a pic for size comparsion.

[BoardSlapper]

Wow, this thing is big. Are sure you can call it a a 1/8th scale still. :)

I see you are hiding the exhaust from us. Darn you, little teaser after little teaser.

[379]

the engine in the genisis was the side exhaust prototype and yes the genisis is gynormous i have an mt2 so i can quite nicely imagin the size the genisis makes the mt2 look like a 1/16

[Maxx_A_Million]

about 2 inches longer than a TC?? im impressed... i meant will it be normal 2 shoe, aluminum 2 shoe, 3 shoe, sentax (or however you spell it) or the ones that slide out from the shaft like on the ek-4?

[CEN Racing]

The actual production model will be another 1.5-2 inch longer than the one in the picture.

Let me find out about the clutch

[Maxx_A_Million]

dayum, and sweet... cuz im really interested... if normal shoe style, i suggest an 1/8 buggy type, at least 3 shoes, and if like the EK-4 or sentax, i dunno much about it. . . lol...

oh, and one more thing... as far as brake adjustment, are you going to include the convenient little turnable collars? or will we be stuck with all collets and grub screws? the hand adjustale ones would be a NICE and VERY welcome touch...

[Maxx_A_Million]

oh yeah... and yet one more thing...

on the steering... can we get the specs on the hi torwue servos used to turn this beast?

thanks

[2 F45T 4 U]

is the tank gona stay like that? if it is i rekon it should have a maetal skid surrounding it or a metal tank completly.

[Freedom]

CEN that's a 1/5 scale, and it looks awesome!

[Maxx_A_Million]

. . . what fuels do you recomend??

[Frapechino]

that thing is HUGE!!!!

its makes the MT2 i just bought look like a mini:D

oh well I like my little baby!!!

[budlightnmyhand]

i want one are they out yet? I'll trade my trinity G4 Pro with rossie pixie .12 3 port for it!!!!!! Let me know wherei can buy it!!! Is Cen a good company. I was looking at getting the savage 25 but how much bigger is this car i want big and fast just for bashing not racing!!! i'm a basher

[rampbrian]

hey guys,
ive been watching this thread from the begining. I just signed up.

any how, that pic of the genisis next to the mt2, how big is a mt2 compaired to a maxx or savage?

I havent seen a mt2 in person yet, so I dont know how it compares to maxxes, it uses 2.2 size truck tires?

any how, if any one has a pic of the mt2 next to a maxx or savage,

or if cen wants to post a pic of the genisis next to a maxx or savage, that would let us all know just how insane this truck is gona be,

and I am totaly in love with the design, 3 speed tranny = yay, monster block = yay times 2. can we expect to see speeds of or around 50 mph? and how do you thing boddys are going to fit, parma makes 1/8 scale boddys like grave digger and some ext cab truck. they fit terra crusher, ( ive never seen one of those either ) maby cen will show us their plan for a boddy.?
keep up the good work and keep us posted

[379]

yes it does use a 2.2 tire and i think it can use any maxx rim and tire


the genisis uses a 7.5'' low profile tire the maxx uses a 5 inch tire(tread diameter) with big sidewalls

[Frapechino]

I own a cen mt2 and there not quite as big as a maxx but there not small at all....

[fezzy]

After not checking the thread for a while I am astounded with the ammount of info you have posted up CEN, And Pictures for that matter... The truck looks unbelieveable kick ass and amazing value for money.

Only thing that concerns me a the momment is that tank, Looks like its in no-mans land and very exposed there.

[BoardSlapper]

Any more information you could feed us would be great.

So about dimensions. So is there official length width height? What kind of turn radius does it have? Will the front diff have some nice thick lube in there, or just regular greese?

[Nosaj-Maxx]

Simply awesome.

[xXSavage25Xx]

Looks impressive from what little I can see.... I wished this thing could be out before Christmas, Santa...AKA Wife , needs to find a new rc for me :cool:

[samyman]

HEY CEN,butter up sirio and get the sirio the .27 RACE motor in.
the .30 mite be beter.I dont care.I WANT FAST!!!!!!!!VARY DANG FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
































I FAST

[rampbrian]

ive been thinking a bit about this truck, and I see some things that would make it a whole lot better,

first I thought about how the ek4 has that big ol .70 engine, whell thats big, but it eats clutches and bells alive, all that torque is too much for a normal fly wheel, I would think a vented fly wheel and a vented clutch bell would be the ticket to cooling the clutch assembly, you could run all day in grass and not over heat and smoke your clutch, or have it get glazed.

I was also thinking about earlier in this thread about how some guys want a "spool" and some want a diff in the center, whell, to make both partys happy you could equip us ( in the kit ) with a diff locking device, that would fit inside the diff and lock the gears, maby like a metal coupler, that would run strait across the empty diff and attatch to both pins on the inside where it would connect the diff outdrives to locked position. suppplying this simple tool for locking the diff, will keep cost down ( by not having to manufacture a whole new center diff, that is locked ) and it will keep buyers happy cause we can try out the spool type diff and the open type diff and see what we like more, and then run it the way we like, me= spool = wheely mode.

you have to admit wheelys are fun, and if this truck does them, o boy, even more fun.

and I am dyng to know if the engine you are testing is a "ringed" engine like the one on the ek4, I know that ringed engines last 4 to 6 times longer than a nitro engine when both are kept properly, and we need a long lasting engine , since this will be a fuel hungry beast,


and my last question is about the rims and tires, you say they are the same hex size as a tmaxx, so you could put them on a maxx, direct bolt on?

the pure size of theese rims and tires worrys me about aftermarket suply of diffrent tread designs, un less they are the same size as the ones from hot boddys, you know, the big ones with low profile tires, ?

do you know if the tires from hot boddys will fit on the genisis rims? and if not, are they too small? or too big?

and im still wating to see what the boddy will look like, im so excited to hear more, keep up the good work cen.
rampbrian is egarly wating, along with the rest of the world.
:Dhttp://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/d8/9c/88_1.JPG
this is a pic of the hot bodies wheels im talking a bout

[CEN Racing]

I will reply the question later. Just want to show you guys the 4WS real quick.

[bullethead]

im kind of new to this
my first MT was a Pirate 10 M i got in june now ive got a RC10GT also.
ive been reading this thead rigt along and it looks amazing!!!!!!!
im very impressed with the amount of information CEN is willing to part with.
i will be watching this closely as this WILL be my next truck.
thanks CEN.


bullethead

[bullethead]

oh yaeh,

ANY news on the RELEASE DATE?



PLEASE!!!!!!!




YER KILLIN ME



BULLETHEAD

[2 F45T 4 U]

cen b proud u introduced me to the hobby wen i bought my first rc of u and now this mite b the truk which keeps me in the hobby:D how awsoem that is that its impressed me so much.

[AJH]

Is the 4 wheel steering lockable as well?

What are the radio specs?

[dtdragon]

:D To cool ,was planing on getting a new truck, I have a t maxx. And didnt know what i wanted to get next ,after reading and see this new truck,Im sure i have found what i was looking for here:D Looks like a really nice pice of work and im ready to see it when it comes out. Thanks for all the great info on your new truck.cant what:D

[Figit090]

WOAH!!! 4WS??? that's nuts!! I wanna know if you can lock either of the 2 sets of wheels for different handling....can you control them sepratly???? that would be SWEET!!! it would get around like a reall monster if you could independantly steer the rear!! what size engine is that? i don't remember...

[Viperrgh2]

hmm kinda hard to tell which is fron/back lol and ime not sure if i like the fuel tank sticking out like that? will that be changed?

[CEN Racing]

Fuel tank wont look like that on production model. Thats there because we are testing it and making some adjustments.

[Maxx_A_Million]

ooh. . . 4ws...

yo cen, got any action pics??
btw, how exactly does the top shock act like a swaybar? if one side gets pushed up, the other side will be pushed down. . . it it somehow attatched in the center?

any news on engine size, etc.; releasable yet?

[BoardSlapper]

Well CEN. You have shown us the centre diff, and basically the engine too, all that is left, is where the electronics are mounted. How about a pick of that?

And do you have spec's on the servo's that are going to be coming with it?

Is it going to include reverse? Or will that be an option.

[Freedom]

Great now I am going to have to sell my trucks to get this one, lol.

[CEN Racing]

Reveiver and battery will have their own sealed case.

Reverse is standard.

Servos is debating. mix of 5kg and 10kg.

[BoardSlapper]

I have started a thread entitled KIT vs RTR Cen. only 3 replies so far, but we will see what eveyone says. I personally think that getting another monster truck on the market that is a Kit, would be a very good thing.

Even my brother who has never built an r/c vehicle before, bought the Savage SS, and loved it.

[Maxx_A_Million]

the truck may very well coem as a kit, jsut not in the first batch...

[CEN Racing]

RTR is the only format Genesis will be available in the first batch

[CJHunterX]

Can these things run through shallow water?

[Maxx_A_Million]

uhh. . . they deffinitely wont float with those low profile tires, but shallow as in like 3 inches or under my TC will run in... im sure this truck will manage, but itll be strictly prohibited according to the manual. . . make sure to waterproof before you do anything wet...

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

AAHH-oooh There is an add in JAN 04 RCCA of the GENESIS.
Main focus is on the BIG TIRE shown actual size. You can see a little of the front shocks, top shock, and a blue chassis.
Says biggest meanest MT ever released built to out climb out power, drive over all other trucks. Designed for the hardcore monster truck fanatic.

[379]

Originally posted by CJHunterX
Can these things run through shallow water?


my MT2 can cross water i have a small 2"deep puddle on my property and the tire in it floated

[BoardSlapper]

Thanks for the update on the website CEN. Looks sweet. I have now decided that I will in fact be buying one of these beasts. There is a spot there though that says, click here to listent to the engine. But there is no link. Any chance that, and possably a video, will be going soon?

How do the stearing servo's link? I was thinking of using digital servo's and they don't always work so great on a Y splitter, but thought I would ask. I figure that is pretty much the only way to hook up two servo's in unison.

And how about the roto start system add on. Is it going to be cordless drill type system? Or full system like HPI uses. I would prefer the cordless drill type deal. Especially since a drill would have enough torque to start a new engine.

And a couple more questions about the motor. Is it ringed (I doubt it, but thought I would ask). Are rebuild kits going to be readily available (piston, sleave, etc). I am planning on racing this bad boy, and I would like to have an extra set of stuff, already broken in, sitting in my toolbox.

[CEN Racing]

Check out the website. Did a quick update real quick. Will update again with detail information and description next week.

[BoardSlapper]

You guys are probably still working on it CEN, but here are some things that I see that still need to be corrected.

FEATURES section. lists min .21 size engine. Thats obviously old news. And says two speed tranny. I thought it was going to be 3 speed for sure? Still says top secret Chrome Wheels. Basically that entire section needs updating.

And the link to listen to the engine still isn't a link.

Sorry to bug you CEN

[Psycho Chicken]

MY GOD! a .46? That's awesome, CEN! I think I know what I'm getting for Christmas!

[Racer Rob]

WOW looks like our shop is going to start carrying CEN products and parts. :D
Can't wait to get one.

[379]

i wouldnt mind seeing a ringed engine myself or a hopup that includes a 4stroke conversion kit as if it neded any more torque

[mushroom281]

I hope you guys offer a more detailed body for this truck.

your cars look good but the truck lacks something to be desired

how about a crew cab ford f-350????

and are you guy picking up more distributors so your parts are more readily available? if this truck is what it it cracked up to be their should be allot of people wanting to be dealers for CEN

release date???? more christmas or 04??

[xXSavage25Xx]

Please say a release date before Christmas... I know , I seriously doubt it happens but a man can dream!!!!!!

[cbr74]

I want one, but would definitely need some "tweaking".

First up: center diff has to go. Center diff with a 3 speed just doesn't make sense to me. Put a spool in there. Lighter weight, lower rotating mass, less complicated, more durable and one less thing to re-build.

Second: the "sway bar" shocks... sit up to high, adds weight, raises center of gravity, and too susceptible to damage from rollovers and inverted landings. Two more things to worry about pistons, oil weights, and spring tensions for.

Third: 4WS... a great idea for low speed crawling but makes for scary high speed handling. The extra servo also adds weight and current drain on the RX pack. Now if the rear steering were independent... it'd be worth keeping.

I never gave CEN a second glance before... the Genesis definitely has my attention but I think they're making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be. All the extra goodies make for more weight, more things to go wrong, and most importantly.. more $$$.