what is the topend of the monster GT [Archive]

toddzilla

08-24-2003, 09:36 AM

i'm getting sick of hearing people bash a truck that hasn't even arrived on the market yet.

hmm.. let's have a list of AE products that are anywhere near as bad as what people are saying..

uhh... i can't think of any.

good things come to those who wait. :D

i, for one am considering purchase of this truck next spring.

it's not like some fledgling company decided to get into the market..

muswagon

08-24-2003, 07:20 PM

Sorry Tphalen, I am getting so tires of people comparing this truck to your actual products. They just dont seem to get it. It doesnt seem fair to me that most of these trucks will sell because of the name. Anyway, I declare truce until the truck actaully hits the market. When is the actual release date? Not being sarcastic, I really want to know.

TPhalen

08-24-2003, 11:33 PM

Np muswaon, and I appreciate your 'truce'. I also appreciate your support and the fact that you want to uphold the 'greatness' of the AE name. But, what we have here is a vehicle that needs to BE good enough to wear the AE label. Sure, most of TT products aren't the greatest, but I bet his is one of the best ones to leave their production lines!!!! We've made HUGE steps forward since the release of the B4 and T4, allowing us ALOT more time to get the MGT finalized and complete. And, alot more time to test and fix all the little stuff we weren't 100% happy with.

Release date is on schedule for sometime in Sept.

slowsikiller88

10-10-2003, 12:03 PM

release date oct 15 cant wait to add to my ae collection

Puffnstuff

10-10-2003, 03:16 PM

I remember when the original release date was back in Feb and it came and went and we had no truck. Now it's Oct and we still don't have a truck. Don't get me wrong I have ae equipment and their parts support is very good but I did want that truck until hpi released the savage 25 and well I bought one. Fact is that I'll probably buy two more savages, one for each of my sons so that we'll all have a nitro mt. AE could've had my business but they kept on pushing their release date back and we still don't have a mt from them.

Hairball

10-14-2003, 10:11 AM

Don't worry, there will be plenty of people to replace you.

Puffnstuff

10-14-2003, 10:50 AM

No doubt there will be plenty of people in line to buy one. I'd still like to see one in person and I noticed on their website that their shipping them now. I certainly hope they increased the engine size during the delay. I also ended up buying another savage 25 for my youngest son but my oldest is intrigued by the monster gt.

Coconut

10-14-2003, 10:58 AM

No they didn't increase the engine size.

Hairball

10-14-2003, 10:59 AM

Don't criticize the engine displacement until you see one run in person.

Remember the first gen T-Maxx? Dog...

Now, look at the second Gen T-Maxx, the 2.5. Weeeeeeeeee!

Same displacement, just a hell of a lot more power.

muswagon

10-14-2003, 12:34 PM

Hairball,

I do agree with your statement 100%. However, all details point to the TTR pro.21, which is very similar in power to the force p4 and the black head hyper .21 (also 4 port). If they have another .21 planned with crazy power, then great, we cannot have too many trucks with crazy power!

Puffnstuff

10-14-2003, 12:44 PM

I'm not criticizing the engine in that truck. As with all things the market dictates the product and the trend is more displacement/power with 1/8 scale mt's.

r.c.dealer

10-14-2003, 04:41 PM

IS price going to be competetive with Savage, and Tmaxx.?

Hairball

10-14-2003, 05:00 PM

Tower is listing it at $500 RTR. They don't have then in stock yet though, so the price may go down a bit once they get them in stock.

muswagon

10-14-2003, 05:21 PM

I do feel that with the cheaper looking radio and a regular 4 port .21, it is slightly overpriced at $500. The Savage SS, the T-maxx, and the yet unproven TNX should all have higher top speed with the same low to midrange that the MGT will have.

The choices now are insane-

Trucks out or coming out now are-

TNX (40mph, hot 3.0)

T-Maxx (40mph, hot 2.5)

Genesis (crazy by the sounds of it)

Dirt Demon (if someone can keep one together please let me know, .26 MACH I would assume is in there)

Savage SS (depending on the bell, 40+ with a cleaned up force .25)

X factor with 24.7 (fast?)

MadForce (.21 but three speeds to help the weak .21)

Then there are the 1/8 truggies;

GS Storm unlimited truck with .26, should be hot

XTM Mammoth with 24.7 which should be hot

Dominator with 8 port hyper is hot

I am sure I am missing a million of them. The competition is crazy, and speeds are all up in the 40mph and big blocks are all in the .25 range and higher. I honestly feel that newbie's, which will make up a huge portion of the market for these trucks, will be sold by the displacement size and the speed that is advertized. Intermediate and experts wont mind spending the extra dough, selling the engine on Ebay and throwing in a Picco .26 or the like.

Just my opinions.

I dont want to bash as I dont have a place to bash. So, I am looking at a race truck. Out of all of these, call me crazy, but I am going for either the TNX (that video is great) or the yet to be seen Losi truck just because I trust Losi.

Hairball

10-14-2003, 05:32 PM

Maybe someone should make a price comparison page, showing all the trucks, features, and currect market price....

Coconut

10-14-2003, 08:59 PM

The only thing we have to go by as far as how it runs is R C Savge and some of the buggy guys on the Starting Grid conference that saw it race at RC Madness driven by a RRCA employee. Wildhobbies called and confirmed that it was run with stock set-up with a change of tires. The buggy guys said it had good lowend but lacked the topend of others racing. The second place truck was a JT Hybrid with a RB WS7. They said that it handled so well in rough stuff and jumped well that it was able to make enough time to TQ and win the race. Since I want this for a basher the handling in rough stuff and jumping said alot to me. I can't think of a RTR truck that I would want to race at a competitive track with only a tire change from stock set-up. I wouldn't even have treid to race my Dominator as set-up by ofna out of the box. Several hundred dollars and too many hours in rebuilding/setti8ng -up for it to be competitive with a JT hybrid. The WS7 alone cost over half what the MGT does. Seems that someone is telling alot of stories as he said on another forum that he ahd ordered a JT buggy conversion on Ebay and was trying to decide which buggy to get even tho the Mugen RR and XR are the only JT conversions available at this. Has to make you wander about that person;huh Muswagon. You really need to get your stories straight ;big guy.

muswagon

10-15-2003, 07:43 AM

Coconut, I was refering to bashing with the 40mph comparison.

I had thought about a conversion for the MBX4 I bought off ebay, but I might just resell, or race it if we have a buggy class next year.

I wasnt negative at all in my post above, just my opinions and facts. Mind your own business.

You post where I said I ordered the JT conversion, I said I bought a buggy, and was thinking about ordering the conversion. I dont get mad often, but when someone is following me around like you are, and posting wrong information, I am angry and frankly creeped out.

You are obviously talking about the wildhobbies JT forum, have a read, they are releasing the conversion for the hyper 7 and other buggies soon hence my earlier question. I am very angry and a little scared, are you following me on my way to work too? Get a life KID.

Sorry that I burst your bubble on the AE truck, was just posting actual information, and I what I felt that makes a newbie tick in regards to displacement and speed.

muswagon

10-15-2003, 08:08 AM

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Will the conversion that is already out fit the MBX4RR? I think that is what I bought from ebay, its the Mugen buggy that has the center diff mounted more towards the front of the chassis.
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This is my post you are refering to, it says I bought a buggy, and will the conversion fit. It you would like, I can post where i asked when the other buggy conversions will be out. Why dont you check out my post at terra Crusher .net (I am sure you already have, freak) it says the same thing, either the TNX or Losi.

If you want to know everything else about my decision, which you do, because you are obsessed with my posts, the buggy conversion scene is a tad beyond my knowledge and comfort level. the TNX with electric start is much easier for an intermediate.

Coconut, do you want my address or phone number? Do you want to know where I work too? You need help man.

StevePond

10-15-2003, 08:10 AM

You guys are really testing my patience with this. I would strongly suggest you get over your biases and desire to chase each other around the board to argue.

Hairball

10-15-2003, 09:35 AM

Go Steve! :p

muswagon

10-15-2003, 09:46 AM

Steve,

I took your warning seriously from that other thread that got deleted. I posted nothing but facts in this one and did not call down the truck at all. Coconut felt the need to rekindle this fued, and I think its kinda creepy to have someone following me around the internet posting things that i did not even say. I am sorry that I reacted as bad as I did.

If I am not allowed to post the facts as I did please let me know, and I will find a new forum to post in. If what I posted was ok, again, please let me know. However, I do not think it is fair that someone is following my posts everywhere looking to take shots at me.

Again SteveP, I took and I am taking your new warning seriously, obviously my tango partner is not. I ask anyone this (including StevePond), how would you feel if someone was stalking forums and posting stuff that was never said, it is a little strange and very creepy.

StevePond

10-15-2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by muswagon
It has no top end, no low end, no midrange. You cant hold it, work on it, or do anything with it. Why? Because it does not exist at this time. Why not? Because AE knows it will bomb. I hear they are changing the name (if it ever comes out) to MegaForce.

These are not innocent facts. It's an insult to the people that spent a lot of time and energy making the truck, and it's an insult to people that think it worthy of their investment - not to mention it's an insult to the whole RC Zone community because you guys trashed yet another legitimate thread with your your little spat. Your bias against Thunder Tiger is evident. The fact that there may be a bias against you to counter your comments shouldn't come as a surprise.

You know these types of comments are going to evoke a certain type of response, so you can't claim the moral high ground on this one. I'm not making a judgment here because each of you will think you're right. All I insist on is that this stops right now. The next post that is directed at one another for any reason will probably result in the loss of that person's account. I think I've given both of you ample opportunity to speak your piece without swinging the hammer here, but that time is over. This is taking up too much of my time.

BTW - your threat to cancel your magazine subscription and/or participate in another forum if we don't silence your adversary, WILL NOT influence any decision here. ;)

muswagon

10-15-2003, 10:54 AM

Steve, that post you copied was from before your first warning (please check the date), and as I said I took it seriously. I am sorry that it is still there, and I should have edited it out of this thread.

I would have also thought anything that i wrote in my "report post to moderator" was private information, and would not be posted for the entire forum to read. This would have been better placed as a private note to me directly.

I am sorry that I got carried away with the MGT, and yes, my distaste for TTR fueled my comments, not actual facts. That is inexcusable on my part. I realize that alot of work went into this truck, and I should not overlook that.

StevePond

10-15-2003, 11:06 AM

Fair enough; I didn't take note of the date. I appreciate your willingness to aviod any further conflict. Thanks for understanding.

Hairball

10-15-2003, 11:07 AM

That was pretty good muswagon. I hardly ever check the dates on stuff..... :)

muswagon

10-15-2003, 12:52 PM

Thanks SteveP and Hairball.

I am actually looking forward to someone at the track racing one of these next year. I will either have the TNX or the Losi, we are overun (as i am sure all track are) with Savages and T-maxxs, so having one or more MGT's will be a nice mix.

Request- Would like to see a future high end race comparo for the maxx class. All trucks should have the same tires (Maxx Bowtie or the like), a good steering servo (matching), but otherwise stock. the contenders could be;

Dominator

TNX

MGT

Losi truck

T-Maxx

Savage

Plus any other truck that would be a contender that I have missed. Just an idea.

TPhalen

10-16-2003, 08:33 PM

First off, thank you Steve. To hear someone bash something you worked SO hard pretty much sucks a$$. We know TT's reputation. We know how they work. We are NOT TT!!! It's not even out yet and muswagon has condemned it because he hates TT product. Well....you're going to be surprised.

Second, muswagon. Let the truck come out. Get one or don't. Base your decisions ON the truck, not on a manufacturer that touched it. Bashing the MGT not only bashes TT, but also bashes AE.

Anyway, the truck will be good. :)

Coconut

10-16-2003, 11:32 PM

If you read my previous posts frankly ;I could have cared less what he said until he not only bashed evrything anyone said about the truck but then started calling the people that were going to buy the MGT;Brand W... and clan members. I frequent many forums and have for many years. I think the truck looks good and ahve one on order and that's why I came here in the first place.I and others got called names names if we talked postively about the truck. I do not regret responding to his insults when nothing was done about it. As I said;if that gets me banded then so be it.

muswagon

10-17-2003, 12:07 AM

TPhalen, never really looked at like that. Good point. There is no disputing AE's rep, I watched the DeadPool on TBS the other day and remembered the glory days with Jammin Jay and the like :)

TPhalen, I promise not to bash this truck, but please understand that I will not own one. Kinda like a Ford guy buying a Chevy, you know hat I mean. However, I do look forward to racing against the MGT as mentioned above. They obviously are good on the track, so a good challenge never hurt anyone.

I would like to hear as much info on the other trucks coming out. The choices are endless. Funny only two years ago there was the Monster Pirate, T-Maxx or the Nitro Quake. Look at the selection now!

muswagon

10-22-2003, 07:48 AM

To answer the original question, 32mph is what I think RCCA tested it at.

DCLXVI

10-22-2003, 12:57 PM

I would think that some of you guys are being a little hard on TT...my TT DT-10 works really good, some initial problems but that are taken care of...

GILLAGAN

10-23-2003, 03:40 PM

I have a MGT and associated did a GREAT job. This thing is more like a RC 10 in tightness,fit and finish than it is to any part of a EK-4. Mine's going to get more power but I would bet that the majority of buyers are going to be extremely happy with it stock. It's a great truck.

Hairball

10-23-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by GILLAGAN
I have a MGT and associated did a GREAT job. This thing is more like a RC 10 in tightness,fit and finish than it is to any part of a EK-4. Mine's going to get more power but I would bet that the majority of buyers are going to be extremely happy with it stock. It's a great truck.

Where did you get it?