Mad Force

[rctrk]

been racing trucks for a year now started out with a t-maxx then got a savage it was much better racer in my opinion. i was looking at buying a x-factor then i got a copy of -sept. 03= car action-ran out to the lhs and bought a mad force 5 days later-truck built-broke in and raced -its junk but i could tell while i was building it. should have took it back. thanks CAR ACTION for the heads up!! 500.00 down the drain. called and ordered an ss savage. i wonder how much kyosho paid them for that issue.

[fezzy]

You can't just say a truck is junk without saying why.

[-=ADA$=-]

yea, and i can say without having it its not best for racing due to solid axle!!

[San Miguel]

I don't see how you can say it's junk just because it doesn't race well, or handle like a buggy with big wheels. It's the best monster truck to bash with that I've seen and that's why I have one. My Maxx barely gets driven anymore because it's just not as fun to bash with.

[Dirtwerx]

The Madforce is the best truck to bash with? Are you kidding me? It's the best truck to drive if you like flipping it over off its lid all the time. It's the best truck to drive if you don't mind not being able to steer. It's the best truck to drive if you wanna spend spend a lot of time and money modding it just to be useable.

That said, yes, the Mad Force is Still better than the T-Maxx. :D

I've owned a Mad Force and a Savage. There is absolutely, positively no way to even compare the two trucks. The Madforce is very raw, unrefined and funky. The Savage is much more precise, elegantly designed and fun to drive. HPI executed the twinplate chassis design much better than Kyosho did. The results are evident the first time you fire the Savage up.

Both of my trucks were pretty heavily modded. There is nothing you can do to the Madforce to overcome its shortcomings. You can minimize them, but they are always present, no matter how much $$ you throw at it. The Savage on the other hand has the potential to become a fairly docile and controllable beast.

The Savage is still no where near the capabilities of a buggy, but it makes the Mad Force look like something out of the stone-age.

[rctrk]

fezzy-this truck is worth a lot less than i paid for it .i ditched 500.00 for a 200.00 truck made for building and setting on a shelf.when i was breaking it in on the third tank it droped the rear dog bone axle twice. (first two tanks of fuel are the only tanks this truck has run out with no problems and they where on pavement mostly at idle during break in.) i had to drill holes in the rearend housing and put some old t-max tie rods with ball eyelets from there 3 inchs up the suspension arms to keep the rearend from twisting upward and slinging out the dog bone.the first time this truck went over a jump i was checking it out -it flew 2' high then on its lid and back over on the wheels-3- of the shocks come off the eyelets. i fixed this with washers but the old savage only did this when the eyelets were slap wore out.the running gear is great-first pull it cranks every time-runs great and is fast .no problem there. the truck it self is a very bad design.steering is a joke -hit the brakes and the truck may go to the right or the left or just stop-big tires with nothing more than the steering rods holding them together.the body post are 3'' tall with 2 screws 1 inch from bottom holding them on -- you can kiss the body and the post goodbye the first couple of times it hits the lid. it came with plastic nuts to hold the shocks on and i paid 450.00 plus tax for a kit truck with no servos,receiver or transmitter.thanx dirtwerx --you knew too. i never compaired to a buggy san miguel i have 2- ofnas 3-t-maxxs 1-rustler 1-savage and (1-mad force that is for sale 200.00 any takers)

[Z-tuner]

I was going to buy the Mad Force due is the one I can find in Spain, but after reading in different topics that is for bashing only I think I'll get the new Savage SS on-line. I drove a friends Mad Force las week and it was like a crazy cow, I really got difficulties to control it, it was funny but I prefer something more similar to a buggy.

[rctrk]

z-tuner go with anything but the KYOSHO MAD FORCE. you would be better off going to radio shack and buying a 9.6 volt elec. kids toy.

[San Miguel]

One of you said it the best, there is absolutely no way to compare these trucks, the Mad Force looks and handles the way a Monster Truck does on TV. It has it's big solid axles, accerelates very quickly and will pop wheelies and jump off of small obstlacles. Now when I bash I do similar things and that is why it is so fun for me. True it has it's problems, but so does everytruck. The dogbones popping out is a simple 10 dollar fix if you get the extended drive cups from the Mad Armour and the steering is easy to fix also.
That being said I also don't think you can call any OFNA or Maxx a Monster truck because any plate Chassis with an independant suspension is not a Monster truck in my opinion. The Savage I would say is marginally different. So that only leaves the X-Factor and some custom trucks as monster trucks. I've bashed with an X-Factor and have driven one and don't care for it. I've never driven a Savage so I can't say anything about it, it probably is a great truck to drive.
Personally the only time something bad has happened to my mad force is when I was climbing some hills, but didn't stop in time and I launched it off about a 15' hill and it landed on it's side and I broke a shock cap.
You are allowed to your opinion. I could say that the Savage is a piece of crap monster truck because with that suspension it will never act like a real monster truck, it will do many other things well. Just like the Mad Force, it will never jump well or handle well, but it does do other things well that I value.

[hrapter]

i have to agree that the mad force is crap because my bro got one as i got my savage and lets just say that buy the end of the week he part exed it for a savage and lost £250 on it,bashing maybe'racing noway,fun yes (for about 10 minutes) i've also got an xtr 3e from shumacher and it wheelies on demand even at around 40 mph but after 1/2 an hour i sorted out the suspension cos you could't turn on the power(if its doing a wheilie then it an't gonna turn).You could always be a bit careful with the throttle on the mad force but its at a piont wheres its a pain where as the savage can power round so what the mad force makes on the straight it lose's big time on the corners.:rolleyes:

[rctrk]

look guys the main reason i posted,is to keep anybody else from being ripped off by kyosho. i can't believe they 1-give you plastic nuts to hold shocks to the truck. 2-the dog bones falling out when you get on the fuel. 3-you can pick on the truck then push up on the rearend and see that the rear drive cup hits the bottom plate of the truck. 4-the spiderweb 45% functional steering gear under the front of the truck mounted to the suspension arms with no bushings- bearings- just plastic to plastic and 2 -1/2"long tiny sheet metal screws. 5-the long body posts with no kind of support between them what so ever.---------in the manual on page 30 it says-avoid changing the running direction too often and too abruptly- this tells me to drive on flat land 50 or more feet then turn easy and come back-what fun.kyosho has nothing on there web site about the mad forces major problems leaving buyers in the dark.car action mag knew this stuff too if they built and tested this truck like they said and failed to tell the truth to the readers.sept.2003-page 80.tug a war a tie -only if they both fell apart in 5 seconds!!!thats it i'm over the money loss =just a heads up for anybody thinking of buying one. 500.00 price range kit truck w/o radio system- as far as kyosho is concerned -you get what you paid for.

[rctrk]

the good thing that came from this is--i found this great web site!!!

[r.c.dealer]

Every rc kit on the market has some short comings. The truck is of a solid axle design. It wasn't designed to handle like a race truck. Is the TXT1 crap becuase it doens't handle well and has a few durability issues, I think not.

If you don't like the truck fine, I however find it rediculous that you are trying to convince people who truly like the Mad Force that there truck is junk.

my.02 cents ;)

[rctrk]

i'm sorry if i offended anybody that owns a mad force. i did not know that a TRUCK OF SOLID AXLE DESIGN was just for fartin around in the backyard and not for competing with other m/trucks like they did in r/c mag.also R.C. DEALER YOU CAN KISS MY WHITE ASS !!:D

[Dirtwerx]

I am really surprised to see people defending the MadForce. Aside from the one guy that actually owns one, have the rest of you ever laid eyes on one? I have to assume you haven't, because it is a joke compared to many of the other Monster Truck offerings out there. Much of the truck is total parts bin technology (going all the way back to the turbo burns!) The motor, differentials, gas tank and hubs can all be found on other Kyosho vehicles. The rest of the truck is an afterthought at best. The transmission (which is FULLY exposed) needs constant maintenance...especially the one way bearings. The steering linkage is mezmorizing. Holding one wheel still, you can rotate the other 45 degrees in either direction. It's difficult to believe the MP 7.5 came outta the same factory as this truck.

I too bought the truck because it had more of a scale appearance. The only problem was that looks alone don't justify spending a small fortune to own this truck. I am far more satisfied with my Savage, with a far smaller overall investment of time and money.

[San Miguel]

I wish this thread would die but I am compelled to post again. Yes Kyosho did use parts from other cars, but a lot of them are from the 7.5 including the diffs, now I am happy to know that the diffs and other parts are from the best 1/8 buggy out there. And why bash Kyosho as a business, does HPI have a better business model with the Savage. Lets release a product and see a response. Now it has problems from what I've read, snapping dogbones, wheel hexes stripping and a somewhat backwards gas tank pickup. Lets fix those problems and release what we should of in the first place, for what I hear is about $20 more(RTR savage 25) make a big deal our t of it and piss off all those people that bought the original "beta" truck.
I know there are easy fixes to the Savage problems just like there are to the Mad Force problems. Also all of what I am saying is speculation about the Savage since I don't have one, but I was looking into getting one at one point.
I don't like bashing on products or on others, but there is always something that is going to be faulty with a product. People's tastes are always going to be different also. So just let this thread die and know that some people are happy with MAd Forces and people are also happy with Savages.
The reason I go the Mad Force was because I read it behaved more like a real truck than all the other independent suspension M/T's out there and that is the truth. It can't handle the abuse that a Savage can take, it isn't as fast as a Savage around a race track and will be more expensive because of the Kyosho name. I knew all that going into it and I bought the Mad Force and am very happy with it. I also know that many people don't look for the same things that I did that bought the Mad Force and will be very displeased with it. That said my Mad force has been proven to me to still be more durable that my maxx.

[Dirtwerx]

HPI does have a better business model though. HPI is renouned for having just about the best customer service out there. There are plenty of people on this board that have been hooked up by HPI on various things. Try calling great planes and getting something for free! It's really nice being able to talk directly with a the manufacture and get good support after the sale.

The Savage has its problems. I don't think you could argue that the Savage problems are WORSE than the Mad Force's though. At least the Savage is functional out of the box. You won't get very far with a Madforce if you build it without any hop ups. It is likely you'll lose one of the center driveshafts after the first jump or two. God forbid you lose one, cause chances are it is on backorder....like many of the other Mad Force parts. hahaha.

The Mad Force has its place in the R/C world, all I am saying is that for the vast majority of users, the Savage will provide a much more rewarding experience. Neither truck is even close to perfect, but what monster truck is.

[Tjappie]

The Madforce is a GREAT truck:
-Realitic solid axle design
-Very durable
-Super power with the .21 engine and 3-speed

I like this truck, only sometimes a part breaks, but i do crazy stuff with it. ok, it's not made for racing, but its a great rockcrawler, hillclimber, mudpuller. A T-maxx or a Savage looks just like a buggy with big wheels and i don't like that. I never had problems getting parts(but i live in holland) and there are aftermarker products (chassis, alu parts, etc.)

But if you want to race, don't buy it, it's not made for that, it's for BRUTAL BASHING!!
Don't say it is crap cause it doesn't race good:mad:

:mad: FORCE

[Maxxcrazy]

Great rock crawler? Ive been into rock crawling for about a year now and I know that you won't get far with about 4in of articulation

[MadForce121]

i have no idea what you guys are talking about. in my opnion, it is by far one of the best trucks out there. in a world of cloned
t-maxxes and t-maxx clones it is something different. it is in no way, shape, or forum made to be on the track. solid axel trucks just dont belong on the track. but, for rock crawling and off roading, it cant be beat. kyosho never had the idea of racing in their mind when they were desighning this truck. nobody said you have to buy this truck, and you obviously dident do any research befor you bought it. i love my mad force, and so does anybody that drives it.and as for fliping it on its roof: ummmmm, when? as long as you have the talent to drive and tune a truck, it shouldent flip at all. i practiced driving it and tuned it good, and now it is almost impossible to flip it. driving a solid axel truck is completly different then driving an independant suspension truck. why dont you just try to drive it right. solid axels are very different then other trucks, so practice. it can toast any truck at off-roading, then it can toast them on the street.

my opnion: one of the best trucks you can buy.

just my 2 cents

[Maxxcrazy]

Its not good for crawling for a couple of reasons. 1: Its nitro. you have to be able to sit still for a long period of time if you get stuck. A nitro would stall if it sat still for a while. 2: Limited travel. Due to that its not a 4link, it won't have good travel. You need atleast 7 or 8in to rock crawl. a Madforce can only articulate on a soda can which is about 5in. 3: No reverse. You absolutly need reverse. You don't want to pick up the truck everytime you get stuck. Theres not even a reverse module for the Mad Force. 4: the 3 speed. This is completly useless if you want to crawl. if you get slightly stuck, useually you would rev the motor to try to get out of the rut. The 3 speed would just shift into 2nd, which will give you less torque and make it even harder to get out.

Just my hard earned 2 cents

[-=ADA$=-]

I kind dont understand it, people just accuse Kyosho on makin bad NEW things, first it was QRC trucks, first nitro trucks with revers using 2 channel radio, and people said maxx is so much better, and starts "new line" of MT's, than came Mad force-first solid axle nitro truck, and its with 3 speed, and what, its bad, its uncontrolable. So i would say learn to operate trigger on your radio, learn few tricks as putting fuel tubbing in drive cups which will prevent dog bones from popping. And look what is your fault and whats the fault of the truck!
Its just my oppinion, im not trying to bash anyone!!

[Tjappie]

ok ok, so it's not a great rockcrawler, but it can crawl!! definitely better than a T-maxx.
Let's just say it has a bit of everything.
I like to destroy with my Madforce: my moms garden:) and i make cars from toiletpaper-rolls and paper and stuff. Then i go crush 'm like real monstertrucks. And of course do some jumps over my 8 other bodies that i have:cool:
It jump's great if you set up the suspension right and train a bit,
solid axle is a bit more difficult to drive.
I can drive my Madforce with full steering to left or right and full throttle without flipping, however if i let go of the throttle it flips over. This is what i mean with training, you learn that stuff and drive it better and better every time.