HPI RTR Savage 25

[doesgo]

Sounds like fun to me!

[savagepicco26]

I Put The 3-speed In 4.6 Kit,with Robinson 16/48.is A Good Deal?
i heard the 3-speed doesn't give you any more top speed, just more acceleration. i ran the robinson 16/48 steel setup on my savage and it was great. i raced mine though. with a picco .26, the gearing was great. too tall for the stock 25 though for the track. you could run 18/48 setup and have about a 20% higher gear ratio.

[mautoys]

And, If I Change The 16/48 For A 18/48 Work Better In My 4.6 Kit?

[rclapcar]

You will loose acceleration but gain some top speed. It will be slightly faster than the stock 17/49 gearing of the 4.6

[josh222]

i am thinking about going with a OS FS 26 4 stoke engine with a pull start, i know it won't go fast but that doesn't matter, i have a RS4 3 that will do 60mph :D

[Scissorhands]

Hey everyone, sorry if this has already been asked but what is the top speed (MPH) of the RTR savage 25? I know the 4.6 is 44 ....?

[ritchies rc10gt]

i am thinking about going with a OS FS 26 4 stoke engine with a pull start, i know it won't go fast but that doesn't matter, i have a RS4 3 that will do 60mph :D


go back a few pages.its been done by me.its slower than death and absolutely no fun.was a waste of time except for the cool sound of an open exhaust 4 stroke

[Ball Racing]

Stock geared 25 rtr is about 34mph. 36mph with the 18tooth clutch.
Put a different motor and, well much faster..

[josh222]

I bought a Savage 21 and it comes with 2 21BB engines and i saw that new LPR28 engine and it looks very nice. ritchies rc10gt did you ever try putting a supercharger on that 4-stroke engine?

[ritchies rc10gt]

no.i just cant justify spending the money for a supercharger that doesnt work.although it may work on a 4 stroke.thanx,now you got me thinking! :D

[josh222]

ya 4-stroke is a whole different ball game :D

[ritchies rc10gt]

oh and i used the OS fs 40s cx 4 stroke in mine.

[savagepicco26]

here's my latest creation. all hand-cut masks. parma and pactra paints.

[doesgo]

Nice job!

[ritchies rc10gt]

damn nice job.do you even use it?its too clean! :D

[savagepicco26]

damn nice job.do you even use it?its too clean! :D
that's only because i just finished trimming the body. the truck's clean cause i just recently did a major teardown and cleaning. i don't bash this truck much, i mainly race it. this body can be seen next month at one of the Bristol campgrounds. it will be dragging either a tony stewart, matt kenseth or kevin harvick beanie baby behind it! :D

[savagepicco26]

i may have posted this pic on here before, but this is the first body i raced with. very easy to see under the lights at night when running the A-main (doesn't happen much, but occasionally)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/speed_bump/racebody.jpg

[Ball Racing]

You know that updated "HD" second gear system that HPI has, well I just put it in, and was breaking in a weak ol force 26, and snapped a big piece of it out(where the dog hits the tab), and it took out the teeth on the second gear, and the teeth on the input shaft.

What a upgrade,
6 tanks and boooooommmmmmm....

[savagepicco26]

i'm still running the original gear box setup. never changed anything. probably at least 8 gallons through the truck between different engines. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. light weight gears....upgraded gears...bah! stock setup works fine.

[doesgo]

Same here! 29 months of ownership, several engines, and just one transmission.

[Ball Racing]

My picco 26 took out 3 second gear set-ups last year.. and about 3or 4 trans cases,
it would bend the pin over, and bend the ring that holds the parts in, rub a hole in the case at the brake shaft area......
I even installed the second pin -- no help

You could tell when it would happen, it stuck in second gear, and wouldn't down shift...

[savagepicco26]

My picco 26 took out 3 second gear set-ups last year.. and about 3or 4 trans cases,
it would bend the pin over, and bend the ring that holds the parts in, rub a hole in the case at the brake shaft area......
I even installed the second pin -- no help

You could tell when it would happen, it stuck in second gear, and wouldn't down shift...
i'm running a picco .26 right now. about 3 gallons with it and no problems.

[Ball Racing]

Good, mine still broke ;)

[doesgo]

No, ours didn't break so there's no way yours could have! :p

[savagepicco26]

Good, mine still broke ;)
no way! i don't believe you! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/speed_bump/smiles/bsflag.gif




:D

[Y2KGTP]

Hey, any good place to buy anti-roll bars ?

[chrisoneal]

what is the stock shock oil Wt

[losi racer13]

The stock is 10wt

[losi racer13]

no way! i don't believe you! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/speed_bump/smiles/bsflag.gif




:D
im lovin the flag haha

[KoE]

any comment on these pipes? look very kewl but a little bit worried about leftover nitro spitting on either rear wheel or on the arm

[savagepicco26]

any comment on these pipes?
what pipes?

[doesgo]

any comment on these pipes? look very kewl but a little bit worried about leftover nitro spitting on either rear wheel or on the arm

Side pipe or regular pipe, the exhaust will spit all over the rear wheel and arm.

[KoE]

thanks doesgo :) the side-pipes do look awesome tho but tsais's site says that they are coming up with dual exhaust pipe. smoke 'em gets new meaning :D plus spit 'em too LOL!

[ritchies rc10gt]

no.i just cant justify spending the money for a supercharger that doesnt work.although it may work on a 4 stroke.thanx,now you got me thinking! :D

well i might try a supercharger on the 4 stroke in the savage.i just bought one on ebay for 55.00 :D

[losi racer13]

Sweet. let us know how it works! im deffinatly interested.

[ron1431]

i got a savage a week ago so far i have used a liter of fuel. love the truck even if i got beaten by a mamoth lol. the truck is very strong. i wanted to know if you get the lexan radio cover will it be easier to get to the batteries. it is a pain every time u have to charge the batteries. will the cover take a beaten? also suggest any other mods that will make charging batteries easier.also whats the best glowplug to use. thanks

[doesgo]

BUY A RECHARGEABLE RECEIVER PACK!!! It will relieve MUCH frustration! Then you can either keep the connector outside the radio box for easy charging, solder in a charge lead, or buy a new on/off switch with a charge lead built in. It makes Savage ownership that much more enjoyable.

You can get a 1400mAh, 6-volt receiver pack for $20.99 here: http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=189

Oh, and I'm glad to hear you like your Savage! :)

[ron1431]

what are on/off switches that have charge lead bulit in.

[savagepicco26]

what are on/off switches that have charge lead bulit in.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXL303&P=ML

[ron1431]

thanks savagepicco

[harley1874666]

i built a 2300nimh pack from full size rechargables. i had to make a custom hold down but it works quite nicely.

[josh222]

i have a few qustions, i want to get the hpi polished pipe, dual disk brakes, motor saver filter, 4bevel diffs and maybe reverse. What weight oil should i put in the diffs?

[savagepicco26]

i have a few qustions, i want to get the hpi polished pipe, dual disk brakes, motor saver filter, 4bevel diffs and maybe reverse. What weight oil should i put in the diffs?
i run 7000 up front and 1000 in the rear, but mine's set up to race.

here's some good info on diff fluids. it's written for buggies, but just disregard the info on the center diff and the rest applies:

EVRYTHING YOU WANTED TO KNOW BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK


Front Thinner
· increases steering into corners (off-power)
· if oil is too thin the steering may become inconsistent,especially it can lose forward traction (and steering) during acceleration out of corners

Front Thicker
· increases stability into corners during braking
· increases steering on-power at corner exit

Center Thinner
· front wheels unload more during acceleration
· decreases on-power steering (reduces oversteer)
· easier to drive on rough tracks
· if a high-power engine is used you could waste too much power and sometime “cook” the oil in the center differential because it “overloads”

Center Thicker
· more all-wheel drive effect
· better acceleration
· increases on-power steering (reduces understeer)
· better suited on high-bite, smooth tracks
· car can be more nervous to drive especially if a high power engine is used - you might need to be smooth on the throttle

Rear Thinner
· increases cornering traction
· increases steering into corner

Rear Thicker
· decreases rear traction while cornering
. reduces wheelspin

[ron1431]

is it normal when the truck is upside down the temp rises and the whells start spinnig. my trucks usally runs around 230-240 and after its upside down i check the temp and it rises 10-20

[josh222]

thanks. Here what i am getting on friday.. Polished pipe, dual disk brake, reverse, 4 bevel gear diff, i already have an onfa filter with elbow

[savagepicco26]

is it normal when the truck is upside down the temp rises and the whells start spinnig. my trucks usally runs around 230-240 and after its upside down i check the temp and it rises 10-20
typically yes because it leans out.

[doesgo]

Sounds like fun! From where are you getting all those parts, Josh?

[josh222]

i am getting them at my lhs, they give me good deals like no tax and stuff which is 15% where i live

[doesgo]

That's awesome. Enjoy the hop-ups!

[josh222]

i took it apart to clean it and well maybe i should stay away from the mud and water :D makes it so hard to clean :rolleyes:

[savagepicco26]

i took it apart to clean it and well maybe i should stay away from the mud and water :D makes it so hard to clean :rolleyes:
water, yes, but mud and dirt is fun! if your monster truck is clean, then you're not running it hard enough! :D

[josh222]

ya it was a lot of mud and a little water like 1" deep, plus went to the skate park did some nice jumps there, big hill climp and a little sand but not the sfot stuff

[josh222]

i went to my lhs and got a integy center skid plate for um i all i did was trade ina pull start i had laying around :D it looks good and it only has a few scratches on it :)

[ron1431]

im going to be upgradeing my pipe soon. i want some thing to improve acceleration so what should i get the ribbed pipe or the tuned pipe. thanks

[savagepicco26]

ribbed is a tuned pipe. it's a low end pipe. get that.

[josh222]

my lhs also has a used integi chassi and they will sell it to me for like 10 bucks, also they have some hotbodies wheels that are used but look new and they will sell them to me for 20 bucks :)

[gomojo55]

Has anybody seen any video footage of the Trinity Nitro Spyder yet? I swear I can't find anything anywhere. And what's up with the stupid Duratrax Warhead. Are they ever gonna release the flippin thing?? haha!

[josh222]

i gto some stuff for my savage 21 today :) i got a hump pack, integy chassi, exhaust deflecter, put a ofna air filter on it and the hpi dual disk brake(wow it is sweet) :D

[ron1431]

have a problem no matter how much i richin up the engine after a couple of tanks it starts to heat up and it makes a weird revving sound after i hit the gas. i tried lowering the idle but that doesnt work either. its seem to be that its not engine tuning problem. the truck is stock expect for hpi heavy duty airfilter also im running blue thunder 20% nitro

[josh222]

here is my savage

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/96593/Ec89892.jpg

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/96593/Di99792.jpg

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/96593/Oj26791.jpg

[MT2 owns you]

nice savage...get some TVP bracesif you can afford it..i think it would be a good idea..

[zmaster007]

Hi guys!!

Im new to savage ownership, ive got the savage 25 with a high performance air filter and purple tuned ribbed pipe.

Today i stripped my spur gear and was looking for your opinion on what to replace it with. Shall i replace it with another hpi one, an aftermarket plastic one by gpm, or one of the titanium ones without the slipper

any help would be great

cheers

Param

[savagepicco26]

nice savage...get some TVP bracesif you can afford it..i think it would be a good idea..
what are they? links?

[MT2 owns you]

i dont know much about savages since i dont have one but i would say get another plastic one and remesh you gears so it wont happen again. if you get a steel/titanium (didnt know they made Ti ones) one then you will break some other more expensive and harder to take apart peice of your drivetrain. the sour is supposed to be a weak spot in your drive train so that other stuff doesnt break. just my 2 cents..

[savagepicco26]

Hi guys!!

Im new to savage ownership, ive got the savage 25 with a high performance air filter and purple tuned ribbed pipe.

Today i stripped my spur gear and was looking for your opinion on what to replace it with. Shall i replace it with another hpi one, an aftermarket plastic one by gpm, or one of the titanium ones without the slipper

any help would be great

cheers

Paramjust keep the stock HPI ones. nothing wrong with them.

[MT2 owns you]

what are they? links?
um, i think theyre bars that go on the outer side of the TVP's but i dont have a link...sorry...i think theyre made, pretty sure ive seen them but i might be wrong :confused:

[zmaster007]

ok guys cheers for the superfast response, will be getting another hpi stock one asap. Just another question, is the 52t spur worth it? or will it just make the truck really slow?


here are a few pics of the savage....its a little messy after my day out at the park

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3858/dsc021744fa.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1452/dsc021753rr.jpg

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6716/dsc021766iz.jpg

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7387/dsc021783hv.jpg

[savagepicco26]

the 52T will give you more acceleration. it will trim a tiny bit off the top end, but it's not really noticible.

[zmaster007]

the 52T will give you more acceleration. it will trim a tiny bit off the top end, but it's not really noticible.

ok cool, so what is the easiest way to get wheelie popping launches from the savage?

Also is it just me or does the brake linkage suck? im thinking of putting some of the tube from the reciever aerial on it. Anyone else tried this?

Cheers

Param

[ron1431]

have a problem no matter how much i richin up the engine after a couple of tanks it starts to heat up and it makes a weird revving sound after i hit the gas. i tried lowering the idle but that doesnt work either. its seem to be that its not engine tuning problem. the truck is stock expect for hpi heavy duty airfilter also im running blue thunder 20% nitro

can any one help

[savagepicco26]

ok cool, so what is the easiest way to get wheelie popping launches from the savage?

Also is it just me or does the brake linkage suck? im thinking of putting some of the tube from the reciever aerial on it. Anyone else tried this?

Cheers

Param
i replaced my whole assembly with the Ofna setup. go to www.savage-central.com and you'll find all kinds of mods and upgrades for the savage.

[savagepicco26]

ron, if the engine makes a revving sound, but the truck doesn't go very well, check the slipper. also, could be your clutch shoes worn out.

[losi racer13]

i dont know if i posted my truck in here but here it is

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/losiracer13/PICT0028.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/losiracer13/pict0019.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/losiracer13/loweredsavage4.jpg

[MT2 owns you]

that truck is sweet^ :cool:

[ron1431]

the truck is moving well. what can it be

[savagepicco26]

is the truck revving when you get on the gas or let off?

[ron1431]

it has a high revving sound when i hit the gas and then let go of it.sorta like if the pipe isnt sealed put i checked and there isnt no crackes. is the header suppoed to move or should it be tight

[savagepicco26]

header should move a bit. only the springs hold it on, so it won't be tight as if there were bolts. don't know what to tell you about the motor. never heard anything like that. only thing i can think of is the clutch.

[ron1431]

thanks i guess i have to ask the guys at the hobby shop. i heard that the hpi tank makes the engine lean or siomething like that could that be the problem.

[zmaster007]

WOW guys have you seen this

Supercharger (http://rbinnovations.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/29)


Has anyone tried this??

[savagepicco26]

thanks i guess i have to ask the guys at the hobby shop. i heard that the hpi tank makes the engine lean or siomething like that could that be the problem.
only towards the end of the tank, but almost every vehicle does this.

[ron1431]

well got the problem fixed i bought a ribbed pipe and when i was changing it the stock plastic pipe had a crack where the header meets the pipe. went out to run it it still had the high revving sound. then i adjusted the throttle on the control and lowered the idle to where the the wheels were not moving when the truck is in the air but stil could be started. truck was running great it seemed alittle to quick so i checked the temp and it was 277. i was wondering is that still ok for the engine or should i bring it down to 230?

[ron1431]

well got the problem fixed i bought a ribbed pipe and when i was changing it the stock plastic pipe had a crack where the header meets the pipe. went out to run it still had the high revving sound. then i adjusted the throttle on the control and lowered the idle to where the the wheels were not moving when the truck is in the air but stil could be started. truck was running great it seemed alittle to quick so i checked the temp and it was 277. i was wondering is that still ok for the engine or should i bring it down to 230?

[savagepicco26]

the stock .25 likes to run hot. HPI says it's okay as long as it stays under 300. i don't agree though. i always kept mine under 250 and had plenty of performance.

[savagepicco26]

and for those who say the savage can't race, i spanked a revo today at the track, and the revo had a .23 in it! my big old, high center of gravity, sluggish,.....(fill in what ever other name you've heard) savage spanked a revo.....oh, i was running the stock tires too (pro-line maxx impact foams) i came out of the last turn behind him headed down the front stretch. when the savage hit second gear, i just flat out ran over him......litterally. i thought i was going to pass him, but misjudged where i was at. smacked him right in the back, and drove over top of him. we got a good laugh out of it! :D now i'm not bashing revos cause i also have one. i just thought it was funny that even with a BB in his revo, the savage could hang!

[ron1431]

thanks savagepicco26. lol for running over the revo.

[losi racer13]

awesome story, always nice to hear savages hanging in with revos

[ron1431]

man this truck is awesome i have a gallon and a half through the engine and i used a gallon in about 3 weeks. havent had real problems with it. engine is running great. my first real problem came today i guess the roto start back plate has dirt in it so sometimes it turns over and somtimes it doesnt. so i have to clean it. is there any thing i can do to prevent this from happening again. also since im going to be basicly tearing apart the truck im going to relube the shocks. i was wondering what kind of weight oil should i use.

[savagepicco26]

my first real problem came today i guess the roto start back plate has dirt in it so sometimes it turns over and somtimes it doesnt. so i have to clean it. is there any thing i can do to prevent this from happening again. also since im going to be basicly tearing apart the truck im going to relube the shocks. i was wondering what kind of weight oil should i use.
usually, the OWB eventually cracks and will need to be replaced. the crack will be tiny and very hard to see. for shock oil, i use 35, but i mainly race.

[skapunk8301]

35 weight is great for general bashing as well.. anything over 45 weight will cause the shocks to crack if you do any jumps over 5 ft high.. I got the brilliant idea to try 50 weight oil to help keep the truck from bottoming out so violently when doing 20'+ jumps.. landed the first jump perfectly and 4 out of the 8 shocks blew apart.. pretty funny, but a PITA to clean off the truck!!!

[skapunk8301]

Found a couple pics of my truck set up for race...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/skapunk8301/IMG_0097.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/skapunk8301/lambosavage.jpg

Then one with my hideous (but VERY effective) roll cage on it back when i had stock tires

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/skapunk8301/2c_1_b.jpg

[ron1431]

thanks so i guess i will pick up a extra owb just in case.skapunk where do the electronics go with the tank inthe front?

[skapunk8301]

I'll have to take a picture when i get off work tonight.. i have the reciever mounted on the right side of the transmission hump on top, and i relocated the throttle / brake servo to the lift side of the chassis beside the engine. You can see the battery packs on the sides in the first picture.. those were installed there temporarily about 2 months ago, with the intention of putting a hump pack in front, but so far, even with the HUGE jumps it gets, they have survived just fine!

by the way, the mid tank mod is definitely helpful in keeping that front end down!!! Doesn't eliminate wheelies like i wish it would, but it helps. with the Mach and 18/47 gearing, it'll still pull wheelies from a stop.. really annoying, but spiffy that it actually has the balls to do it!

[ron1431]

can i get a part number for the ofna throttle linkage.thanks

[savagepicco26]

can i get a part number for the ofna throttle linkage.thanks
here's what you need
http://store.savagess.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_28&products_id=263

[treeboy]

was needing to know the differance between using upper control arm with shock mounts. ,or keep with to long shocks. I just thrash . the upper control arms wont clear the shocks so its one or the other.

[savagepicco26]

was needing to know the differance between using upper control arm with shock mounts. ,or keep with to long shocks. I just thrash . the upper control arms wont clear the shocks so its one or the other.
this doesn't make sense. :confused:

[treeboy]

i just got a set of steel lower control arms and a set of upper contol arms. but the upper arms have a built in shock mounts to use, i guess a t-max shock, which must be a shorter shock? the savage shocks wont clear, so i either have to buy a different shock or not use the new upper arms . (online order that i cnt return)

[savagepicco26]

i just got a set of steel lower control arms and a set of upper contol arms. but the upper arms have a built in shock mounts to use, i guess a t-max shock, which must be a shorter shock? the savage shocks wont clear, so i either have to buy a different shock or not use the new upper arms . (online order that i cnt return)
never heard of arms like that. who makes them?

[treeboy]

never heard of arms like that. who makes them? newera racing www.NewEraModels.com there pretty cool, but I dont know if I want to buy a new set of shocks.

[savagepicco26]

newera racing www.NewEraModels.com there pretty cool, but I dont know if I want to buy a new set of shocks.
if you bought these:
http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=1552
then yes, you'll have to buy tmaxx shocks. if you want to use your stock shocks, then you need these:
http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=1550
or these
http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=1565
personally, i don't run anything alluminum that didn't come alluminum on the truck already. the alluminum suspension arms are a waste IMO. they just add extra weight to an already heavy truck. the stock plastic ones are strong enough. if you replace the arms with alluminum cause you're breaking the stock ones, you'll just start breaking uprights and gearboxes (which are harder to replace than the arms) so other than the bling factor, i don't recommend alluminum arms/parts.

[ritchies rc10gt]

any body try the picco .27 yet?i just stuck one in my savage last night.oh man this thing has some bottom end!!!on the first tank running rich it was doing wheelies with out even trying,on the third tank it would hit 2nd gear and come up on a wheelie :D .dont know how fast its gonna be though.its only 31,000 RPM but the 3 speed sould take care of that.the mach .26 was pretty fast with the 3 speed but i had to really try to get it to wheelie.

[treeboy]

if you bought these:
http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=1552
then yes, you'll have to buy tmaxx shocks. if you want to use your stock shocks, then you need these:
http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=1550
or these
http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?session_id=&part_id=1565
personally, i don't run anything alluminum that didn't come alluminum on the truck already. the alluminum suspension arms are a waste IMO. they just add extra weight to an already heavy truck. the stock plastic ones are strong enough. if you replace the arms with alluminum cause you're breaking the stock ones, you'll just start breaking uprights and gearboxes (which are harder to replace than the arms) so other than the bling factor, i don't recommend alluminum arms/parts.thanks for your input I wish I'd talked to you a few weeks ago .Have any suggestions on making my savaga bullet proof?

[savagepicco26]

thanks for your input I wish I'd talked to you a few weeks ago .Have any suggestions on making my savaga bullet proof?
if it's the stock 25, here's what i did:
-4 gear diff upgrade
-high torque steering AND throttle (it takes power to have good brakes) 645MG is decent with airtronics 94358 being the best
-ofna steering bell crank mod (HPI didn't have one back then. HPI's will work though)
-ofna throttle/brake linkage mod
-HD dog bones and drive cups all the way around (MIP CVD's are better, but $$$$$! )
-23mm hub adapters (proline or dace)
-23mm hex rims with your choice of 40 series tires.

i run alluminum shocks, but if i ever break one, i'll be putting the stock plastic ones back on. they're so cheap to replace and just about as strong as anyone else's alluminum shocks. as i said before, i think the alluminum suspension arms are a waste. some people swear by the alluminum diff cups, but i've never had a problem with the stock ones. fill them with the weight of oil you want and clean them out every 1/4 gallon or so and the cups will never wear out. i'm running the same diff cups that i bought in march of 2004! the only reason i bought them was because my stock ones were shot from only having 2 gears and no oil.

[losi racer13]

did u notice a diff in acceleration with the cvds? i was thinking about getting them.

[savagepicco26]

did u notice a diff in acceleration with the cvds? i was thinking about getting them.
i don't have them. the HD dogbones work fine for me and i race too.

[ron1431]

does any one have reviews on the picc/ofna .27 engines in a savage. my friend is thinking of a upgrade.

[savagepicco26]

i've got a picco .26 in my savage. if the .27 is any more powerful than the .26, you'll have a hard time controlling it! the .26 is an animal! i have a hard time keeping the front wheels on the track!

[ritchies rc10gt]

well the .27 is just plain sick!!!front wheels hardley touch the ground.although it is controlable.i blew 2 3 speeds today with it.the first one was in the truck a good 4 months,maybe longer with a dynamite mach.26.well it snapped some teeth off of 3 gears today and locked it up.nothing worse than doing a wheelie and having the truck come to a complete stop and flip over :D .bought a new unassembled 3 speed and installed it,cleaned the tranny case to makesure no pieces of the first one were left in it.got the truck together and fired it up.well it made it halfway across the parking lot before it went.it was going good and shifted into second,started to wheelie and dropped back on the ground.tranny was locked up again.took it apart and shook the tranny.HHMMMM its got an awefull lot of rattles going on in there :eek: .split the case and pieces fell out :D .it shattered the final gear on the output shaft into 3 large pieces and about 20 small fragments of teeth.also took out the teeth on the middles gears.didnt hurt the top gears.LHS gave me another new 3 speed for free cuz the second one didnt last me more than 2 minutes.installed the 3rd tranny and so far it seems ok.took it out and drove for half a tank untill it landed upside down and shattered the fuel tank.so far i am overly impressed with this engine.

[savagepicco26]

so far i am overly impressed with this engine.
i'd say so! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/speed_bump/smiles/RCTruck.gif http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/speed_bump/smiles/ROLFLMAO.gif

[ron1431]

could the max.26 be used cause the bigblock .26 is Discontinued. basicly the question im asking whats a good engine that controlable and wont rip the tranny apart lol :eek:

[ron1431]

ritches rc10gt that sounds like a hand full a very expensive handful :D . yeah shifted into second,started to wheelie isnt exatcly controlable.

[ritchies rc10gt]

thats cuz i was driving it like i normally do,FULL THROTTLE!!! :D but if you drive it like it should be driven it can be controlled.the dynamite mach .26 is an excellent engine for the savage.had it in mine and loved it.it was just time for something new when i got the .27.still have the .26 for a back up if i need it.the .27 has so much compression i can pick the whole truck up off the ground with the pullstarter :eek:

[josh222]

any of you guys interested in the OS .30VG? Os is saying 3hp :D

[josh222]

look

[redneckracer197]

I would have to attest by the Mach 26. I have one and I love it and I run with all the other mod engines on the track

[Needler56]

can the cen genesis rear exhaust engine fit on the truckzilla conversion for the savage intstead of the side exhaust engine it comes with?

[ron1431]

.the .27 has so much compression i can pick the whole truck up off the ground with the pullstarter =
how do u turn that thing over.if you are using a pullstart you must have one ripped arm.so i guess i would tell my friend about the mach then. :( his going to be killing me but its ok.

[josh222]

has any one here have any Titanium parts from www.f4iracing.com ?

[savagepicco26]

has any one here have any Titanium parts from www.f4iracing.com ?
never heard of them. i don't see the need for titanium parts though. JMO.

[josh222]

he makes some nice parts like these rear buckhead brace that will stop the rear toe in from flexing to much or a nice engine plate, tvps and a nice skid plate to

[savagepicco26]

JMO, but the stock ones of all those are fine.

[josh222]

i like hopping things up :rolleyes:

[outlaw tunnel]

hi from the land of OZ
juat after some advice i just got my self a rtr 25 savage and im going to hop it up with all the good bits in time but for now im after some advice on tuneing it and how to set the shift point in the 2speed also is there any benefit in removeing any of the shims in the motor any performance mods,info anything would be grate thanks
regards
ian

[ron1431]

people on this board are always helful so i have a question to ask. im going to be in my first offroad race. i was wondering what should i get. i have limted resources so its either one or the other for now. should i get some better race tires or a high torque servo. which would be more help full on the track.

[doesgo]

Tires get my vote!

[ron1431]

can anybody else help me out?

[Needler56]

bow tie tires, leave out the reverse module and its servo, don't add anymore aluminum parts, or change the aluminum parts to graphite, but most importantly its the indian not the arrow

[ron1431]

lol yeah it is the driver but i can take all the help i can get. so i guess some bowties would be best.

[doesgo]

Yeah, Bowties are great tires for most offroad surfaces.

[savagepicco26]

people on this board are always helful so i have a question to ask. im going to be in my first offroad race. i was wondering what should i get. i have limted resources so its either one or the other for now. should i get some better race tires or a high torque servo. which would be more help full on the track.
definitely get some bowtie 40's. if after that, you can afford $40 more, then get the Hitec 645 servo. if it's one or the other, definitely get the tires. you'll have to buy new rims too.

[ron1431]

with the 40s can i run standard hexes. or is it nesscary to run 23mm. also can i put a AL fuel filter next to the engine. im worried that the fuel will get to heated or some thing. i usally have my filter mounted on the body post but since its so low cant use it there no more.

[savagepicco26]

with the 40s can i run standard hexes. or is it nesscary to run 23mm. also can i put a AL fuel filter next to the engine. im worried that the fuel will get to heated or some thing. i usally have my filter mounted on the body post but since its so low cant use it there no more.
depends on the rims. you can get 40 series rims in 14mm or 23mm hex's. the 23mm's are stronger obviously, but the 14mm's will do for awhile. i busted out the 14mm hex's several times on my savage last year, but that was before proline changed the compound of their plastic to a stronger material.

[ron1431]

thanks savagepicco26. do u know if its ok to run the fuel filter close to the engine.

[savagepicco26]

thanks savagepicco26. do u know if its ok to run the fuel filter close to the engine.
shouldn't really matter. if it's metal though, it might absorb some of the heat from the motor and heat up the fuel. that will cause tuning problems. i have mine straptied to the rear shock tower to keep it from flopping around.

[ron1431]

ok thanks i will try to reposition the fuel filter.

[ron1431]

what kind of servo arm do you use for the throttle with the ofna linkage?

[savagepicco26]

what kind of servo arm do you use for the throttle with the ofna linkage?
the stock one. you just take off the top part and the servo saver spring/ring. there's detailed pics of it on www.savage-central.com

[ron1431]

hey what diff Wt do you use in your savages. is 5k ok i use that on my rs4 3

[Needler56]

i use 7000 in the front and 3000 in the rear. it squares out really well on road, but off road i wouldn't be able to tell you the difference. i was thinking about spooling the rear diffs, who makes the aftermarket part for that?

[outlaw tunnel]

hi all
can anybody give me some tips on mods and performance tips to get the most out of my savage 25 im new to nitro monster trucks how high can i go with nitro percentage in the fuel i know it says 25% but can you go higher with my 3.5cc K&B outboards i run 50 to 60% no bull eather they say to use 50% some of the guys i race with are going as high as 70% anyway enough about my boats any tips for the savage would be grate
regards
ian

[ron1431]

is spooling like a lock diff? if so diff locker (http://http://www.vertigoperformance.com/products_Lockers.html)

[savagepicco26]

hi all
can anybody give me some tips on mods and performance tips to get the most out of my savage 25 im new to nitro monster trucks how high can i go with nitro percentage in the fuel i know it says 25% but can you go higher with my 3.5cc K&B outboards i run 50 to 60% no bull eather they say to use 50% some of the guys i race with are going as high as 70% anyway enough about my boats any tips for the savage would be grate
regards
ian
don't go higher than 30% without reshimming the head. you don't need more than 30 though. make sure you run a cold plug like OD99, MC9, OS R5 though

[ron1431]

hey savagepicco is it ok to run od 99 with 20% also since the wheater is geting colder would i need a little hot plug like a od77?

[savagepicco26]

hey savagepicco is it ok to run od 99 with 20% also since the wheater is geting colder would i need a little hot plug like a od77?
i'd run a 77 with 20% no matter what. i don't think a 99 will work well with 20%. the 99 is a colder plug, so it retards the timing of ignition. you need this with the higher nitro content in 30% to prevent predetination. i would think that a 99 with 20% would run sluggish. either an OS 8, MC8 or OD77 would be good for 20%. personally, i run 30% in all my big block engines (.21 and up). i have found that they run smoother, cooler, more consistant, and have more power.

[outlaw tunnel]

thanks savagepicco26
would the factory nitro star s-25 be ok on 30% with one of the plugs you suggested.
thanks
regards
ian

[savagepicco26]

thanks savagepicco26
would the factory nitro star s-25 be ok on 30% with one of the plugs you suggested.
thanks
regards
ian
i'm pretty sure i remember HPI saying somewhere that it would be fine. you could send them an email or check their BB on their site to make sure.

[ron1431]

hey look what i found on hpi japan website pretty cool :D kinda late but still very nice. i wonder in the roll bar is cf.
http://tinypic.com/f9mx40.jpg

[josh222]

that engine palte looks nice

[ron1431]

does anybody know what happens if u put a spur with higher teeth. like going from 47t to 49t? bought a 49t by mistake.

[josh222]

you will loose speed but get more low end

[doesgo]

All else being equal, the more teeth you have on the spur gear, the faster the truck will accelerate, but the top speed will be reduced slightly.

[ron1431]

thanks so i guess i will keep the spur. i really dont need much topend.

[josh222]

Pinions- Small= Accleration, big = speed

Spurs- big= accleration, small=speed

[davepex]

Hi, Im thinking about buying a savage 25 but am not sure if thisis the best choice. I have read reviews about t maxx and monster pirate being the best.

Is the 25 as good as it looks

[savagepicco26]

Hi, Im thinking about buying a savage 25 but am not sure if thisis the best choice. I have read reviews about t maxx and monster pirate being the best.

Is the 25 as good as it looks
i would love to see the review that said a tmaxx was better than a savage!!!! that author must have been on CRACK!!!!!

[M3EVOlution]

Hey guys what do you think of this savage, It comes with two engines and all the other stuff but seems to be quite dirty. The looks are deceiving.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6016981917&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ShippingPayment

How much do you think these trucks will go for? Do You think I can do a 70-80 winning bid(based on how these used trucks sell on ebay)Also what would be the worst thing wrong with it? Im guessing the motor and the radio but I dont know. Also which motor is better the xtm 24.7 or the hpi 25? What do you think of this. Should I jump on it? I just want a cheap basher. Thanks

[doesgo]

Yeah, the Savage is definitely a better truck overall than the T-Maxx and Monster Pirate! There are others out there now that are very good, but I doubt you'd be disapppointed with a Savage 25.

[lou diamonds]

i have a .21 that i dropped a .46 in. at first the truck ran fine but now all off a sudden the slipper clutch is burning up. ive gone through three of them. and noooo i dont set the spring tight. but if i set it "just right" during a run you can see the truck loose power due to slipage. i was thinking about joining the spur to the clutch and call it a day. sombody set me strait. :mad:

[TXTRCR]

what mods are needed to run the hotbodies fireball tires on the .25 savage. has anyone run these tires on there 25 savages, if so did you get any diff damage or is my cousin just being too rough with his truck. seems like right after he put those huge tires and wheels on the front diff busted, broke two teeth off the pinion gear and messed up the ring gear. did the tires do it or is it from jumping the truck and landing with either the brake on or the throttle on.

[TXTRCR]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHLK4&P=ML these tires and wheels the quite a bit larger in diameter than the stockers

[RenHoek]

i have a .21 that i dropped a .46 in..... <snip>

Lou-
Based on my 4.6 SS experience, you gotta crank the slipper clutch down completely, then back off 1/8-1/4 turn at most.

On a related note, if you're running the stock composite clutch shoes and spur gear (on the engine, not the slipper clutch :)) you'll probably find that they'll slip too much and heat up the clutch bell to the point that it melts the teeth off of the plastic spur gear. I moved up to Nova's AL shoes after going through about 5-6 spurs and haven't had a SINGLE problem since then.

-RenHoek

[lou diamonds]

thanks for the info. as far as what i run, i have the 3 shoe clutch and steel spur gear.

[savagepicco26]

Lou-
Based on my 4.6 SS experience, you gotta crank the slipper clutch down completely, then back off 1/8-1/4 turn at most.
he's running a .46, not a 4.6. 4.6 is a .28, not a .46. depending on the .46, you may need some serious mods. what .46 is it?

[RenHoek]

he's running a .46, not a 4.6. 4.6 is a .28, not a .46. <snip>

Yup...I realized that when I replied. My point was that the slipper needs to be cranked down and the shoes need to be upgraded for any more powerfull engine (.28, .30, .46, 350 small block, etc...:))

-RenHoek

[savagepicco26]

Yup...I realized that when I replied. My point was that the slipper needs to be cranked down and the shoes need to be upgraded for any more powerfull engine (.28, .30, .46, 350 small block, etc...:))

-RenHoek
gotcha. good advice. i run Mugen alluminum clutch shoes in my savage with a picco .26 great combo.

[ron1431]

what kind grease do you guys use on your owb. my owb keeps slipping . when i open it up every thing is good.

[savagepicco26]

what kind grease do you guys use on your owb. my owb keeps slipping . when i open it up every thing is good.
grease causes it to slip. you don't want any grease on it. if it's slipping, clean it really good (i use brake cleaner). if that doesn't fix it, there's a good chance the bearing's cracked on the housing (has happened numerous times; crack's are tiny and hard to notice) or the one way function is just done.

[dekoras]

Hi,
I have just finished break-in of my 25 but 2 speed set up is probably wrong. I get into second gear tooo late. What is the factory default for 2 speed set up, especially how many counterclockwise turns after we all turn it to clockwise? As i remember from the forums it has to be 3.5 bu i am not sure.....
Need help THanks!!!!

[savagepicco26]

Hi,
I have just finished break-in of my 25 but 2 speed set up is probably wrong. I get into second gear tooo late. What is the factory default for 2 speed set up, especially how many counterclockwise turns after we all turn it to clockwise? As i remember from the forums it has to be 3.5 bu i am not sure.....
Need help THanks!!!!
i wrote this in response to your PM, but for other's too.....

don't mess with the factory settings. they are correct. if you just got the truck new and broke in the motor, it does take awhile for the truck to shift into second. it will continue to shift sooner and sooner the more you run it. it's as if the tranny has to break in some too. i don't know what the factory settings for the shift points are. i've never changed mine and don't recommend that anyone does. once you start messing with them, they're very tough to get set correctly. just give it time and the truck will come to you. probably took about a half gallon before the shifting was reliable and not at very high RPM's.

[davepex]

Can someone help, I got a used savage 25 with about 3 hours run time. I have ran it twice, once around my back garden and the other ona street, nothing too heavy. I came to run it a 3rd time and it seems as the rotostart is slipping, the piston does not move when you take the glow plug out. I have removed the rotostart backplate, checked it and tried again but I keep getting slippage. If you take the backplate off and turn the starter bearing the piston moves. This is really frustrating. Has anyone got any ideas.!!!

[brc358]

O.K. guys, here is a question for you.
I bought a new Savage, and the same day I brought it home, I also bought the new Pico 27,adjustable shocks,Ofna throttle linkage,battery packs,crime fighter tires and new wheels. While I was sticking in the new engine, I also changed out to the Robison steel spur gear, and clutch bell. 14 tooth clutch bell, and 52 tooth spur gear. After breaking the engine is and watching the temp. I took it to the track,knowing that it would have a lot of bottom end due to the gearing. Boy, did I underestimate the Pico 27. The truck will flip over backwards when it hits 2nd gear. Plus, I put a wheelie bar on it, but it flips right over the wheelie bar. Anyway, I have called quite a few shops, and no one can give me a straight answer. Can I change just the clutch bell to a 16 tooth hardened steel, and does Robinson racing sell just the clutch bell by itself, or do you have to buy the package set. No one can seem to tell me if the combination of 16/52 will work. I even tried HPI. thanks,

[wrecked]

Can someone help, I got a used savage 25 with about 3 hours run time. I have ran it twice, once around my back garden and the other ona street, nothing too heavy. I came to run it a 3rd time and it seems as the rotostart is slipping, the piston does not move when you take the glow plug out. I have removed the rotostart backplate, checked it and tried again but I keep getting slippage. If you take the backplate off and turn the starter bearing the piston moves. This is really frustrating. Has anyone got any ideas.!!!

i bet the 1 way bearing is cracked... or could just have some oil in it. so if thats the case just take the bearing out and spray some nitro cleaner in it and see if it works. if it doesent, you need a new bearing.

[wrecked]

O.K. guys, here is a question for you.
I bought a new Savage, and the same day I brought it home, I also bought the new Pico 27,adjustable shocks,Ofna throttle linkage,battery packs,crime fighter tires and new wheels. While I was sticking in the new engine, I also changed out to the Robison steel spur gear, and clutch bell. 14 tooth clutch bell, and 52 tooth spur gear. After breaking the engine is and watching the temp. I took it to the track,knowing that it would have a lot of bottom end due to the gearing. Boy, did I underestimate the Pico 27. The truck will flip over backwards when it hits 2nd gear. Plus, I put a wheelie bar on it, but it flips right over the wheelie bar. Anyway, I have called quite a few shops, and no one can give me a straight answer. Can I change just the clutch bell to a 16 tooth hardened steel, and does Robinson racing sell just the clutch bell by itself, or do you have to buy the package set. No one can seem to tell me if the combination of 16/52 will work. I even tried HPI. thanks,


you could put the 16 tooth clutchbell in but i think the gearing is still going to be way to low. i dont know if RR makes any smaller spurr gears other then that 52t spurr but if they do try to get like a 47t spurr and a 16t pinion. that would be good for raceing with that engine and the the smaller tires. ;)

[brc358]

you could put the 16 tooth clutchbell in but i think the gearing is still going to be way to low. i dont know if RR makes any smaller spurr gears other then that 52t spurr but if they do try to get like a 47t spurr and a 16t pinion. that would be good for raceing with that engine and the the smaller tires. ;)
I did find out that RR makes a 46 tooth spur gear, but you have to buy the complete set. It comes with a 46/16 gearing. I was hoping to try just the clutch bell first, but if I need to, will get the new set.

thanks

[savagepicco26]

O.K. guys, here is a question for you.
I bought a new Savage, and the same day I brought it home, I also bought the new Pico 27,adjustable shocks,Ofna throttle linkage,battery packs,crime fighter tires and new wheels. While I was sticking in the new engine, I also changed out to the Robison steel spur gear, and clutch bell. 14 tooth clutch bell, and 52 tooth spur gear. After breaking the engine is and watching the temp. I took it to the track,knowing that it would have a lot of bottom end due to the gearing. Boy, did I underestimate the Pico 27. The truck will flip over backwards when it hits 2nd gear. Plus, I put a wheelie bar on it, but it flips right over the wheelie bar. Anyway, I have called quite a few shops, and no one can give me a straight answer. Can I change just the clutch bell to a 16 tooth hardened steel, and does Robinson racing sell just the clutch bell by itself, or do you have to buy the package set. No one can seem to tell me if the combination of 16/52 will work. I even tried HPI. thanks,
ditto what wrecked said. i ran the 48/16 robinson combo with a picco .26 and it was good. a 52/14 with a .27 would be insane! :D yeah, just get a 16T clutchbell and make sure it's hardened/heavy duty. if that still doesn't tone it down, look at robinson's 48/16 combo. although, you don't need steel gears, even with the picco .27. the stock 47T gear off the new savage 4.6 kits would work best for the picco .27.

[brc358]

ditto what wrecked said. i ran the 48/16 robinson combo with a picco .26 and it was good. a 52/14 with a .27 would be insane! :D yeah, just get a 16T clutchbell and make sure it's hardened/heavy duty. if that still doesn't tone it down, look at robinson's 48/16 combo. although, you don't need steel gears, even with the picco .27. the stock 47T gear off the new savage 4.6 kits would work best for the picco .27.
I"ll see if they have one in stock today, and try it just for kicks. I knda went ape sh-- with the truck, with the new parts. With the new engine, steel gears,carbon fiber pipe,shocks,tires,battery pack servos,and then to top it off, I bought the new Airtronics M11 radio, and stuck in the Spektrum system. The M11 is great, as you can really adjust so much as far as servo speed for steering, and still get plenty of EPA at the same time. Problem was that because I have so many cars<10th scale> I had to buy 7 Spektrum receivers to make it worth doing, as all of my cars and the Savage are run off the M11 radio.But I am having a blast with the Savage, even though it is still geared way too low. I found out that HPI is coming out with a new chassis in a couple of weeks, that will lower the engine about 2mm to 3mm, and really help with the balance of the truck. They are going to be around $99.00 for the new chassis, which is not too bad.

[charles]

I"ll see if they have one in stock today, and try it just for kicks. I knda went ape sh-- with the truck, with the new parts. With the new engine, steel gears,carbon fiber pipe,shocks,tires,battery pack servos,and then to top it off, I bought the new Airtronics M11 radio, and stuck in the Spektrum system. The M11 is great, as you can really adjust so much as far as servo speed for steering, and still get plenty of EPA at the same time. Problem was that because I have so many cars<10th scale> I had to buy 7 Spektrum receivers to make it worth doing, as all of my cars and the Savage are run off the M11 radio.But I am having a blast with the Savage, even though it is still geared way too low. I found out that HPI is coming out with a new chassis in a couple of weeks, that will lower the engine about 2mm to 3mm, and really help with the balance of the truck. They are going to be around $99.00 for the new chassis, which is not too bad.







I PLAN ON RACING MY SAVAGE 25 IN THE UPCOMING RACE SEASON. I WOULD LIKE TO RACE USING EITHER JUMBO CLAW DAWGS TIRES OR BIG JOE TIRES. MY DECISION COMES FROM KNOWING THAT BIGGER TIRES ALLOW FOR GREATER DISTANCES, THE TURN OVER RATE AT HIGH SPEEDS IS ALOT LOWER AND I WILL HAVE BETTER HANDLING GOING OVER BUMPS AND JUMPS. THE THOUGHT HAS CROSSED MY MIND TO UPGRADE THE SPUR GEAR AND CLUTCH BELL TO HELP THE TRANSMISSION DEAL WITH THE NEW WEIGHT FROM THE TIRES. WITH ALL THIS, THAT I'VE MENTIONED, AND TO ANYBODY WILLING TO READ AND RESPONDE TO MY THREAD. WILL THIS HELP ME DURING THE RACE SEASON? IF NOT, WHAT OTHER IDEAS DO YOU HAVE?????

[brc358]

I PLAN ON RACING MY SAVAGE 25 IN THE UPCOMING RACE SEASON. I WOULD LIKE TO RACE USING EITHER JUMBO CLAW DAWGS TIRES OR BIG JOE TIRES. MY DECISION COMES FROM KNOWING THAT BIGGER TIRES ALLOW FOR GREATER DISTANCES, THE TURN OVER RATE AT HIGH SPEEDS IS ALOT LOWER AND I WILL HAVE BETTER HANDLING GOING OVER BUMPS AND JUMPS. THE THOUGHT HAS CROSSED MY MIND TO UPGRADE THE SPUR GEAR AND CLUTCH BELL TO HELP THE TRANSMISSION DEAL WITH THE NEW WEIGHT FROM THE TIRES. WITH ALL THIS, THAT I'VE MENTIONED, AND TO ANYBODY WILLING TO READ AND RESPONDE TO MY THREAD. WILL THIS HELP ME DURING THE RACE SEASON? IF NOT, WHAT OTHER IDEAS DO YOU HAVE?????
Larger tires will not help you if you plan on racing the truck. Find out what type of track you will be running on, whether it be hard packed, or loose dirt.
Crime fighter tires are very good on medium to hard pack dirt.If you use a larger tire, you will lose acceleration, and some control.Dont be fooled into thinking the bigger the tire, the better. You have a lot more rotating mass to turn and control, than you would if you use a smaller tire that is designed for the type of surface you will be runnning on. I run my truck at least 4 to 5 days a week, and not once have I seen anyone use those types of tires other than for bashing.Stick on some decent tires,change your shock fluid and springs,drop the truck down a little in overall ride height, and then if need to, change you clutch bell and spur gear to match the size of your track.

[davepex]

Has anyone got and good reviews of the HPI MT2 18SS stadium truck. I have a savage and my brother wants an MT2.

What d'ya think.

[DNF2005]

I just purchased a new HPI .25 engine and have discovered an air leak around the pinch bolt on both sides!! I have noticed the hpi k4.6 engine appears to have a better designed pinch bolt so my question is will it fit?
thanks

[seth0810]

ya im sure its a direct drop in

[ccs77]

In response to tires, I have the Proline Wabash spoked wheels and Bowtie tires. I really like the lower profile side walls on these tires. Handling was improved tremendously, but I wouldn't suggest these tires for anything but racing. I'd save your stock set for bashing etc...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/ccs77/ProlineBowties003.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/ccs77/ProlineBowties002.jpg

[EZM]

I have a .21bb egine that needs a carb and want to know if the carb from the s-25 will work, thanks

[ashburg]

Is the savage more durable than the duratrax warhead?

[doesgo]

The Savage was the most durable MT out there until the Warhead came out, and it doesn't sound like it's being challenged based on this post in the Warhead thread: "After reading several posts in several forums about the chronic plastic part breakages going on here, I've just resigned to not beating this particular truck up too much with radical jumps - at least until duratrax comes out with some more robust parts"

Sure, there's the "Stress-Tech" warranty, but even free parts are annoying to replace if it has to be done frequently and when breakage can effectively end your bashing session.

[ashburg]

doesgo...I'm looking at replacing the carb on the Warhead with a Savage SS carb as well as doing the same with the clutch (replacing the 2 shoe warhead clutch with the 3 shoe savage clutch) as reccomended in another thread.

How is it that these parts match up so well and are so interchangeable...is it basically the same car? ARE the warhead and savage parts truly interchangeable like that without modification?

ash

[doesgo]

Lots of vehicles run standard-type (or at least standard size) clutches, clutch bells, air filters, fuel line, wheels, tires, electronics, engines, etc. However, the Warhead is definitely NOT the same truck as the Savage, far from it, but interchangeability does occur among vehicles. For instance, I'm running the same Mugen aluminum clutch shoes on my Savage, SUT, Storm buggy, LST, NMT, and RC10GT (the latter two have been converted to big-blocks).

[savagepicco26]

doesgo...I'm looking at replacing the carb on the Warhead with a Savage SS carb as well as doing the same with the clutch (replacing the 2 shoe warhead clutch with the 3 shoe savage clutch) as reccomended in another thread.

How is it that these parts match up so well and are so interchangeable...is it basically the same car? ARE the warhead and savage parts truly interchangeable like that without modification?

ash
just because the savage carb fits on the warhead motor, doesn't mean it will run well. lots of motors use the same size carb mount, but the mechanics inside the carb can be totally different from one to the next. just look at how many O.S. Carbs are on TH with a 15mm throat. they're all for different engines. and with the clutch, as doesgo said, there's a lot of "common" parts and clutches tend to be one of them. the clutch bells used on the savage are the same size as the one's used on 8th scale buggies, so just about any Ofna, Mugen, Kyosho, Jammin, etc will fit. the flywheel for the savage is the same exact design as the mugen MBX5's, but $15 cheaper, so i rand the HPI on my Mugen. on my savage, i run HPI flywheel and clutchbell, with Mugen alluminum shoes and mugen 1.1 springs. so a lot of things are interchangeable. the carbs might fit, but changing carbs can either hurt or help your performance.

[ashburg]

Ok, I'm sold on the mugen aluminum shoes and the mugen 1.1 springs, coupled with the HPI flywheel and clutchbell.

I'm going to bolt these onto an OS .30 motor.

Installing into a Duratrax Warhead.

Will I have to modify anything else to get this to work? Do you have the part numbers for that clutch setup?

MANY thanks,
ash

[doesgo]

The shoes are Mugen #C0754 and you can get them here (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=32_61&products_id=117).

The springs are Mugen #C0753 and you can get them here (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=32_61&products_id=228).

Be sure to get a good-quality clutch bell, too. The OFNA hardened clutch bells (http://www.smfstore.com/index.php?cPath=32_38) are good and come with bearings, but the regular and heavy-duty HPI bells don't last all that long. The "race" versions of the HPI bells are hardened and vented, however, and reportedly last a while.

[ashburg]

VERY cool...ok, I'm placing an order now.

I hope you don't mind me quoting you and your links in another thread/forum...lots of friends of mine are wondering about this very setup.

regards,
ash

[doesgo]

Well <sheepishly> it's my online store, so I certainly don't mind! :) Thanks.

[Caseaday]

I'm looking at entering the RC world for the first time and the Savage SS unassemble kit is what I think I may like to do this. I would rather build it myself and run it. Is this advisable, and is this an appropriate vehicle to enter with?

Any info much appreciated

Cheers

[doesgo]

If you truly believe you have the mechanical ability, time, and space to assemble it without rushing, then that's DEFINITELY the best way to go! You'll really learn all about the truck and when the time comes for repairs someday, you'll be able to jump right in and do it.

As for the vehicle, there aren't many monster truck kits out there from which to choose! But the Savage is for sure one of the best, especially the Savage SS 4.6 (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=231). Amazingly tough and powerful. There are other good monster trucks, but precious few in kit form.

[ashburg]

Ok, after some drilling down of exactly what would work best, I have put together the following:

:cool: OS .30 Motor - Got on eBay at (what I think is) a considerable discount...maybe he's got more...here's the closed auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6028783794&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 . Here's a good installation guide for that motor: http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=596

:cool: Upgrading the clutch so'z I can yank the front wheels off the ground through 1st gear hehe:

- OFNA 16 Tooth (reducing from the stock 17) Hardened ClutchBell: http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=120

- OFNA ClutchBell Shim Kit (just in case): http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=383

- Mugen Aluminum Clutch Shoes (going from 2 shoes to 3): http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=117

- Mugen 1.1mm Clutch Springs (or 1.0): http://www.smfstore.com/index.php?cPath=32_61

- OFNA Clutch Nut SG Shaft: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHMG0&P=7

- OFNA SG Shaft Flywheel Taper: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDSW4&P=7

- Dubro Translucent Blue Fuel Tubing: www.dubro.com

I reckon' that'll git 'er done for the time being...until I strip the transmission from all the torque hehe. Hopefully by the time I get this together, some more billet products will be on the market :D

ash

[pushnf8]

I have been debateing getting a savage for awhile. I now have a Mini-lst. It's my first r/c not bought from radio shack. It's nice and fun, but I want to experiance a nitro truck. I was wondering the best savage to get for bashing. I'm not afraid to build if thats the case. I saw HPI's site they have a savage X thing looks insane. Are there pros and cons to each. The X looks like its desighned to be worked on. Easier access to the tranny and diffs. The rtr 25 looks to be cheapest and most complete. Already has radio. I have nothing other than the mini-lst so I need to get everything from the savage to the radio. Anyone influece me in a certain direstion?

[doesgo]

I'd go with the Savage X if it were me. Lots of advantages over the regular Savage, most of all much easier to work on! The jury is still out regarding durability and such, but I'd bet money it's right up there with the regular Savage.

[pushnf8]

Looks like they use different shock towers and suspension setup in the savage x. I dont want to have to wait for parts WHEN I break it. Anyone think this will be a problem? I just sold my Mini lst because of that. I dont want to baby something because I am worried about parts being available. It was my first r/c not from Radio shack. Now I want a big nitro one. The savage and Revo were my choices. I decided on the savage because it looks like a damn tank.

[doesgo]

The regular Savage is unbelievably tough! Can't speak for the X yet, nor can anyone else, since it's not been released to the public. If durability is a concern, the regular Savage will fit the bill!

[pushnf8]

I found a rtr 25 for $250.00 in local paper. Still in box, guy got it for birthday last year before being shipped to Iraq. He's back now and just wanted cash. So, now that I have it what would be the first upgrades you guys would reccomend. Are the gears good to go, or should they be upgraded? I'm gonna beat the crap out of this thing.

[Needler56]

when i first got mine, i couldn't believe how fast it was considering its size. it ran fine until i started really bashing and going off road. my first mods were a nimh rx pack, the hpi dual disc brake, ball bearings in the steering, reverse module, hitec servos, motor saver air filter, rd logics one piece pipe, and the hpi adj upper arm set. to me, those were what i felt needed to be changed, may be different for everyone else.

then i got the hpi cam type steering servo, spider gear diff mod with si oil f/r, and started using my air m8. see how you like it when you run it, then decide on what suits you.

what i do know is that the biggest mistakes i ever made were getting the integy msr5 piggy back shocks and the integy center skid plate. the shocks seemed to be of low quality and the shafts were like wet noodles. the center skid plate would trap rocks in the under carraige, put stress on the roll cage, and would get in the way of engine mount screws.

[pushnf8]

I've read a lot about the servo's. Is this a good mod? Are the stock ones plastic? Thanks for the info.

[Needler56]

stock ones a plastic, i believe at six volts they put out 90 oz/in. when you're constantly bouncing around, steering left and right they'll eventually give. hpi has a metal gear conversion

[brc358]

I have a fairly new Savage, with a new Pico 27, Robinson steel spur gears, and just about every other uprade possible, and I keep blowing the rear diiff.
I switched to the four spider gears,changed them twice,shimmed the gears, even changed the diff. housing, but the truck will last about 3 laps, and then blow the rear diff. again.
I am not a newbe by no means, but I have never seen this problem before.
Has anyone had problems with the Savage diffs holding up to the extra power of the Pico 27.
Even when I change the complete assembly to a new off the shelve 4 spider gear diff. it will wipe it out in about 3 to 5 minutes.
I of course checked the dog bones,bearings inside and out, and just about changed every part associated with the rear diff. 2 or 3 times, and it still will blow the gears.
So my question is, are the Savage trucks prone to diff. problems with the added power of the Pico 27.
Like I was saying, I did change every part that is even closely related to the diff, so I know there are no other damaged parts.

thanks for your help

[ccs77]

Maybe that Metal spur has a slipper that is not workng properly, if that was the case you would think the tranny gears would go before the diffs though.

Are you sure the cases for your diffs are ok? Is the gasket your using to thick, not allowing the top of the differential to sit down far enough making the mesh between diff gears to loose?

Just a couple ideas...

Go to www.savage-central.com if you want advice from more people running that truck.

[brc358]

Maybe that Metal spur has a slipper that is not workng properly, if that was the case you would think the tranny gears would go before the diffs though.

Are you sure the cases for your diffs are ok? Is the gasket your using to thick, not allowing the top of the differential to sit down far enough making the mesh between diff gears to loose?

Just a couple ideas...

Go to www.savage-central.com if you want advice from more people running that truck.
Thanks for the help, but just yesterday, I bought another brand new off the shelve 4 spider gear diff<complete assembly> and installed it. The truck made about 3 laps, and blew the gears out on the new diff. This was the complete assembly, including a new housing, bearings everything. The trans is holding up to the added power with no problem. I have even changed the rear dog bones, hub bearings,main shaft dog bone, every part I can think of. I now have about 3 or 4 diff assemblys that I have gone through, plus the one that I wasted yesterday. I am really at a loss now. Even some friends of mine at a local hobby shop that I race with, are at a loss. It has us all scratching our heads thinking what the hell have we missed, but between the four of us, we can not find any other damaged parts, or anything that could still cause the problem. Are Savage trucks prone to having diff. problems holding up to the added power? And when I mean power, this Pico is a monster of power. When we it running so strong, that the truck will easily flip over when it hits second gear thanks

[ccs77]

Are the gears shearing or is the case getting destroyed or both?

I would get an aluminum differantial housing. They flex less under power and the notches in the case that hold the gears in place won't give any. I suspect your just torquing the crap out of them and they are jumping gears due to the flex and evntually destroying the cases or gears or both.

again...sign in over at www.savage-central.com Theose guys are Savage freaks and have alot of answeres to obscure questions.

[brc358]

Are the gears shearing or is the case getting destroyed or both?

I would get an aluminum differantial housing. They flex less under power and the notches in the case that hold the gears in place won't give any. I suspect your just torquing the crap out of them and they are jumping gears due to the flex and evntually destroying the cases or gears or both.

again...sign in over at www.savage-central.com Theose guys are Savage freaks and have alot of answeres to obscure questions.

Thanks again.
I just posted the question at the Savage web page.
Hopefully will get an answer. I was unaware that I could get an aluminum diff. case. That might be a good suggestion, that due to the power, it is tweaking the stock diff. case just enough to cause the problem.
Do you by chance have any links for the upgraded diff. case.
thanks again

[ccs77]

Somone over there can get you a link, I don;t know where to get them.

[brc358]

Somone over there can get you a link, I don;t know where to get them.

Thanks for the tip.
I am already starting to get responses from the Savage web. site

thanks again

[ccs77]

No sweat, those guys are great over there...

I'm a total noob to Nitro and they where nice enough to help get me up to speed. There are alot of tear down guides with photos etc...

[wrecked]

Does anyone know the best or good ways to put a throttle return spring on a picco 26 carb?
thanks,
wrecked

[chrisoneal]

well i have a picco .27 and i dont think there to much diffrent from the .26 i just put it on the same way that it came on the s.25 or the 4.6

[savagepicco26]

I have a fairly new Savage, with a new Pico 27, Robinson steel spur gears, and just about every other uprade possible, and I keep blowing the rear diiff.
I switched to the four spider gears,changed them twice,shimmed the gears, even changed the diff. housing, but the truck will last about 3 laps, and then blow the rear diff. again.
I am not a newbe by no means, but I have never seen this problem before.
Has anyone had problems with the Savage diffs holding up to the extra power of the Pico 27.
Even when I change the complete assembly to a new off the shelve 4 spider gear diff. it will wipe it out in about 3 to 5 minutes.
I of course checked the dog bones,bearings inside and out, and just about changed every part associated with the rear diff. 2 or 3 times, and it still will blow the gears.
So my question is, are the Savage trucks prone to diff. problems with the added power of the Pico 27.
Like I was saying, I did change every part that is even closely related to the diff, so I know there are no other damaged parts.

thanks for your help
slipper clutch is too tight. i have almost the same setup as you, except i got rid of the steel spur. it's not needed. part of the goal of a nylon spur is that it will strip out instead of damaging more expensive components. if the wreck, jump or whatever is too much for the slipper to absorb, then the nylon spur will strip out to prevent damage to other drive train parts. better to replace a $4 gear than $40 in diff parts. properly adjusted, the nylon gears will handle the Picco's just fine. i have one.

[brc358]

I finally found the problem with the diffs.
After changing the diff gears over and over<and actually buying new off the shelve 4 spider diffs.> it looks like just the diff housing itself was bad and causing all the problems.
I upgraded to the aluminum diff. case, Hot Bodies hardened 4 spider diff. set, and so far, so good.
I have been driving the living hell out of it to see if the diff. will hold up.
But so far, nary a problem.
Now I have a stack of old diff gears some good, some no good floating around in my parts bin.
I guess thats the price you pay when you start upgrading in power,something has to give somewhere, and its usually the weakest link. I guess the diff. case was out of round,warped, or just not molded exactly right, and it caused the problems.

[savagepicco26]

I finally found the problem with the diffs.
After changing the diff gears over and over<and actually buying new off the shelve 4 spider diffs.> it looks like just the diff housing itself was bad and causing all the problems.
...........
I guess the diff. case was out of round,warped, or just not molded exactly right, and it caused the problems.
i had assumed you would've changed the case when you blew out the diff. if the case is damaged, it's usually pretty easy to see the damage. scratches/gouges inside the case are a bad sign. the cases are cheap. i still run the plastic ones without any problems. glad you found your problem though.

[ron1431]

http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/news/2006020501/2006020501_2.jpg
http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/parts/87245/87245_01.jpg
http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/news/2006020501/2006020501_3.jpg
http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/parts/87248/lcg_comparison_03.jpg
hpi didnt forget about the savage. know it seems hpi is making upgrades to help handling. also the savage x is looking good making the truck easier to service and better handle.
http://www.hpieurope.com/graphics/news/2006020501/2006020501_6.jpg
Savage/Changes suspension geometry for faster lap times

The Savage Suspension Conversion Set fits all Savage trucks and includes new Aluminium Upper Arm Braces, Aluminium Knuckles, Aluminium Knuckle Carriers, Aluminium Rear Spindle Carriers, Adjustable Upper Arm Link Set, thread lock, screws, wrench and complete installation instructions.

[chrisoneal]

were can i get me one at...please tell me hurry hurry....

[Needler56]

i know that the shocks are nothing new, but are they hardened?

[savagepicco26]

looks nice, but what they really needed to add was a sway bar. that would help the truck a ton!

[ron1431]

the suspension upgrade is only on the uk site. the shocks are the regular threaded shocks hpi sells now. the lcg tvp are already being sold. the savage x is coming march.
i think im going to build a savagex mutant. get the lcg tvp, the nubz, the quick access diff,the lighted arms and the suspension. also the head cage. that would be a nice strong truck that can still be bashable and can go to the track once in a while.

[Racing t]

what use do the sway bars have?

[savagepicco26]

what use do the sway bars have?
keeps the body from swaying/rolling too much and allows the truck to corner better. same purpose it serves on buggies, truggies, and real cars and trucks. keep body roll to a minimum and cornering greatly improves.

[fastest_savage]

Has anyone had prolens with the bearings for the front and rear c.v shafts going bad. I have repaced mine about 3 times now.

[savagepicco26]

Has anyone had prolens with the bearings for the front and rear c.v shafts going bad. I have repaced mine about 3 times now.
you talking about in the front/rear gearboxes or in the tranny? i've never touched the ones in the tranny. the gearbox ones I replace about every half gallon along with all the other 8x16 bearing like those on the outdrives of the diffs and in the front/rear uprights. bearing replacement is just part of good truck maintenance. i replace clutchbell bearings after each race, so figure every 30-45 minutes of run time (give or take). bearings are cheap though. keep good ones in and it will prevent damage to more expensive components.

[fastest_savage]

Yea, they are the ones on the gear boxes. I found out today from HPI that you can remove the little rubber seal on the bearings, soak the bearing in alchohol and re-pack them. But like you said, they are cheap and easy to replace.

[savagepicco26]

Yea, they are the ones on the gear boxes. I found out today from HPI that you can remove the little rubber seal on the bearings, soak the bearing in alchohol and re-pack them. But like you said, they are cheap and easy to replace.
this is where i get mine. http://www.carolinasrc.com/Webstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=301

[fastest_savage]

Thanks, man. Those are CHEAP. Better than Tower.

[savagepicco26]

yeah, carolinasrc has great prices. he can get stuff that's not even on his site. i've gotten savage and revo stuff from him before. it will take probably an extra week or so though since he has to special order (doesn't stock it like the stuff on his site), but he usually has the cheapest prices, so i don't mind waiting.

[chrisoneal]

hey i know savagepicco26 ran a metal spur so u might be able to help me. Ever since iv put one it i keep melting slipper pads and burning up clutch shoes.. If i go back to my plastic one my pcco .27 will just chew it up and think u guys can think of i can do to fix my problem..

[ashburg]

What's up fellas...I've started a new Savage X Thread if anyone's interested: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3914271/tm.htm

cya later!
ash

[madsavage]

Hi all

I'm looking to upgrade the tires on my savage for racing. Im looking at the HPI Nubs 17mm conversion or Proline 40 series rims and crimefighters or bowties tires. the track Im going to race at is hard packed with a dusty covering most of the time.

Any help you racers out there that can give me on which way to go would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Pete

[savagepicco26]

Hi all

I'm looking to upgrade the tires on my savage for racing. Im looking at the HPI Nubs 17mm conversion or Proline 40 series rims and crimefighters or bowties tires. the track Im going to race at is hard packed with a dusty covering most of the time.

Any help you racers out there that can give me on which way to go would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Pete
you'll have to run unlimited if you get nubz. they're not leagal for the production class. i run bowtie 40's on wabash rims with 23mm hexes. works great on most anything.

[savagepicco26]

hey i know savagepicco26 ran a metal spur so u might be able to help me. Ever since iv put one it i keep melting slipper pads and burning up clutch shoes.. If i go back to my plastic one my pcco .27 will just chew it up and think u guys can think of i can do to fix my problem..
hmm. i never had that problem. i've got a picco .26 and the stock plastic gears hold up just fine IF the mesh AND alignment of the motor are dead on. the thing that always got me was the alignment. i'd have the mesh good, but the alignment would be off and i'd tear up the gear.

[chrisoneal]

well no im keep melting the slipper pad

[madsavage]

[QUOTE=savagepicco26]you'll have to run unlimited if you get nubz. they're not leagal for the production class. i run bowtie 40's on wabash rims with 23mm hexes. works great on most anything.[/QUOTE
Thanks

[Prinler4256]

I just purchased the new Savage X... i was running it around after breaking it in and im having problems with the clutch i think. I can rev it up and the wheeles done move. can water effect this? its was raining this morning and the grass i was going over when it stopped working was still damp... you think the clutch bell is toast?

[savagepicco26]

I just purchased the new Savage X... i was running it around after breaking it in and im having problems with the clutch i think. I can rev it up and the wheeles done move. can water effect this? its was raining this morning and the grass i was going over when it stopped working was still damp... you think the clutch bell is toast?
check your spur gear. if that's fine, then either the clutch shoes or springs probably broke. water shouldn't affect it. if the shoes broke, try some alluminum shoes. that's what i run. i get the mugen alluminum shoes and 1.1 springs. http://www.carolinasrc.com/webstore/Scripts/prodList.asp?idcategory=91

[1 savage]

Does anyone have an approx. top speed for the Savage X? If so, please post.

[Prinler]

check your spur gear. if that's fine, then either the clutch shoes or springs probably broke. water shouldn't affect it. if the shoes broke, try some alluminum shoes. that's what i run. i get the mugen alluminum shoes and 1.1 springs. http://www.carolinasrc.com/webstore/Scripts/prodList.asp?idcategory=91


yeah.. dang the slipper didnt slip... most of the teeth are stripped!!!! HOLY COW!

[Prinler]

Does anyone have an approx. top speed for the Savage X? If so, please post.

well i purchased my truck just yesterday and on my 6th tank i decided to open her up on the street.. amazing i know that does help but WOW

[chrisoneal]

so the new dual slipper isnt doing a good job. Besides that how do u like the truck

[savagepicco26]

yeah.. dang the slipper didnt slip... most of the teeth are stripped!!!! HOLY COW!
if the truck took a hard lick, it could have jarred the motor or torqued the chassis enough and caused the spur to strip. that would have nothing to do with the slipper.

[ron1431]

can some one tell me Why is it harder to put a servo arm on the truck then to take the truck apart :eek: :mad:. what does jr use do they use 23, 24, 25 or futaba, hitec or airtronics. ive tried all but none seem to fit. also can i use a kimbrough servo saver. y cant be use one univeral thing and stick to. :rolleyes:

[savagepicco26]

can some one tell me Why is it harder to put a servo arm on the truck then to take the truck apart :eek: :mad:. what does jr use do they use 23, 24, 25 or futaba, hitec or airtronics. ive tried all but none seem to fit. also can i use a kimbrough servo saver. y cant be use one univeral thing and stick to. :rolleyes:
i'm pretty sure JR and Airtronics are the same servo spline. you CAN use the kimbrough servo saver, but i think it's crap. it's super sloppy compared to the bellcrank servo savers (ofna or HPI).

[ron1431]

so how many teeth does the airtronics spline have?

[savagepicco26]

so how many teeth does the airtronics spline have?
don't know. you can probably find out on tower's site. just do a search.

[CRSMP5]

jr, sawna, air, ko use the smallest one.. think 23, hitech uses 24, and futaba uses 25..

[savage25le]

on the ss 4.6 are the diffs put to gether like the other ss