Novak HV-Maxx brushless motor

[StevePond]

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/novak/speed_control_motor.jpg

HV-Maxx brushless motor and ESC for Traxxas E-Maxx
Novak’s newest brushless motor and ESC combo is a direct replacement for the Traxxas E-Maxx. Check it out:
HV-Maxx ESC
> Same “footprint” as stock EVX controller for drop-in installation
> 6volt/3amp BEC circuit
> 12-cell compatible with proportional brake and reverse
> Industry-first Transmitter Check Mode
> Locked Rotor Detection circuit prevents damage due to a stalled motor.

HV-Maxx brushless motor
> Single HV motor replaces dual brushed 550s
> Uses sensor based technology
> Direct solder wiring tabs
> Ball bearings
>Thermal protection
Item no. 3220 (ESC), 3410 (motor), 3020 (ESC and motor combo)

[atm92484_3]

Sweet. Is this motor too big then to bolt onto something where it was powered by a single 540?

[Zr2]

They should allow waayyyy more cells on the motor and ESC. Everyone wants to atleast be able to to run atleast 16 cells if they want to.

-Matt

[StevePond]

It's much smarter to design the system around the same number of cells used in the original truck than to optimize it for an odd number of cells that would require custom-made packs.

[Lord Radeon]

I disagree. If your going to put down$$$ on brushless system, then your going to have done research on it. There are far better options available that allow you to scale power. Brushless power is almost linear. It's sad that their controller limits to 12 cells... a reason MANY buyers won't purchase the novak system.

[old phart]

Originally posted by Lord Radeon
... a reason MANY buyers won't purchase the novak system.

Don't count on it! :rolleyes:

[StevePond]

LR - I'd be willing to bet thats exactly the reason most people WILL buy this set-up. The portion of the market that actually wants motors that will bust a stock tranny in less than one battery pack is probably about 1/10 of 1 percent. It may shock you to know that the rest of the world doesn't think the way you do. ;) :cool:

[jwrape]

Ok, call me ignorant. But this motor looks like somethin' CRAZY.
I am from the old school. Where you had to replace the brushes in your motor every two or three times you raced. Ok,
tell me how this thing works and why it has SO MANY wires coming out of it?:confused:

[chickenmobilin]

I believe that this will be a huge success for Novak , along with their other brushless system.
Most people stay away from the other systems , partly because they do not under stand them , partly because they have no interst in running that many cells. I know that with any system , I have no interest in running that many cells , much to much maintenance involved.

[atm92484_3]

Plus building packs is a pain in the ass.

[RacerTim]

jwrape: Brushless works like a inside out brushed motor: the windings are in the case and the magnet is in the center. simply put, the segments of windings are energized in order and that is your rotation. The wires are your power wires, and the small harness is the sensor harness that tells the ESC which winding is energized (I think???:confused: )

[jwrape]

What are the advantages? Why would I buy this? For my Clod maybe? For my Bruiser Maybe?


So what kinda price tag are we looking at.

[NewToNitro]

Originally posted by jwrape
What are the advantages? Why would I buy this? For my Clod maybe? For my Bruiser Maybe?


So what kinda price tag are we looking at.

Tower has the motor/esc combo for 309. Their prices always drop once the item is released. Id guess that it will be 250-300 for the setup.

[JimmyMac]

I think alot of people are ignorant to the fact that they think Brushless means it should have more power and be blazingly fast. But the fact is that Brushless simply means it has no brushes and thus very very less maintance. Sure there are people who make insane brushless systems. But I'd like a simple less maintance reliable system that is a drop in replacement for my EMaxx. Plus slightly longer run times. Maybe later on Novak will build a "Hot" setup if the demand for it is there. But til then like Steve said, they need to support the majority before they support anything else. :p

[racinlosi]

StevePond- Why does it say it is for the T-Maxx? Can you use it on other cars than the MAXX line of cars?

[JitsuGuy]

I've seen E-Maxx videos on other boards with SERIOUS brushless setups... They are blazingly fast, the only problem is, once they get too fast, the handling goes out the window. Just barely turning the wheel at speed can lead to some serious carnage. Don't get me wrong, speed is awesome, but these little things can only go so fast before they're impossible to control. I think the Novak system will be great for the Electric MT's of the world and for people who want to get into Brushless fairly easily.

Jits

[speedydave]

I hope it's not for the T-Maxx, because the T-Maxx is nitro powered...:p Probably a typo on that.

You can use the motor in any large, 12 cell, high voltage application. Basically anywhere you'd use a Hacker C50 or EVX/Titan combo.

[jeepinator]

Originally posted by jwrape
What are the advantages? Why would I buy this? For my Clod maybe? For my Bruiser Maybe? Glad to see you crawl out from under that rock :D

[jwrape]

Glad to see you crawl out from under that rock

What rock? I just joined the site. :confused:

[Lord Radeon]

Steve, the point is future UPGRADABILTY. With novak, there's nothing there. Like I said before, with the linear power curve of the motor, you'd think they'd at least have a controller that can handle 14, if not 16 cells IF INDEED you were so inclined to handle the extra power. They're missing out on the experienced brushless guys, which IMO is around 20% of the market

[jeepinator]

It's pretty clear that, other than a few niche items, the RC industry is headed for total RTR/plug n play.
The reasoning is most likely higher margins due to lower support costs.
It is likely that Novak will have a range of controllers and motors in the future. Releasing so many models now, this early in the game, would seem unwise, especially from a company with a legendary reputation for making reliable products.
It makes sense that they start with direct replacement as the focus and then later migrate to high performance. Once the technology gets totally ironed out and possibly standardized a bit more you might see the types of things you are wanting.

Brushless has not yet achieved nearly the standardization that brushed has. This is a risky market to venture into. One must tread carefully and with clarity. I am sure that Novak is hoping their design philosophies become the standard. If so, Novak pays for R&D only once. The biggest market share, in my opinion, is direct replacement. Quickly building market share is critical to the industry adopting your design phillosophies.
Of course this is striclty my completely uneducated opinion on the matter. I really have no idea what I am talking about. Something tells me I am in the ballpark, however.

It all makes sense to me. I think you should stop being bitter. :D

[thelastd]

This is from Novak:


The HV Maxx Brushless Motor System is significantly faster than the dual
stock Titan setup that comes in the truck.

The final specs of the system have not yet fully been decided upon but 14
cell applications have been anticipated and tested.


so they are unofficially saying it will run on 14 cells.

[old phart]

FWIW, when the E-Maxx still had the Traxxas VX-12 speedo that kept failing (mine literally caught on fire) I switched to a Novak Super Rooster speedo. It was designed for a maximum 10 cells. I and lots of others ran them with 12 cells and never experienced a failure. Of course I also had a CPU cooling fan blowing air across mine but the speedo never seemed hot. I only changed it out after about 5 months when the newer Novak EVX speedo came out.

So.........chances are the Novak equipments maximum ratings are understated to allow for goofs (like me) to push them beyond their normal expected limits and still perform. :D

[SixVi6-Camaro]

Interesitng the experienced Bl guys are hammering the New Novak HV without even seeing the specs or seeing it run. If Hacker was putting a new system out I bet it would be a completely different story.

If the HV is soo bad because you can't upgrade as of yet and can't run 16+ cells then.. Well.. why aren't people buying hackers setups like crazy and running 16 cells? Could it be the unreliable random meltdown of controllers? could it be cogging? the use of an RX pack? or the lack of reliable brakes? mabey the price?

Novak has probably sold more SS's than all the other Car BL MFG's out there and they will sell tons of the HV setups for sure. I've seen at least a dozen different people with Novak SS's in a short time and only ONE guy running a hacker Bl once and that was a while ago. Novak is putting serious time, money, and manpower into their Bl setups to set a new standard in the BL market that will drag the whole market along even if they are kicking and screaming.

Thumbs up to novak for sticking to their guns even when the public was skeptical after several blotched released dates of the SS. The SS is a great setup and I'm sure the HV will be just as good!

[CharlieS]

And people wonder why we never give out early information anymore. Well, we are not at the point that we have Final Specs yet. All the information we gave at the show was "Not Final" so there is testing to be done. At this point cell count is undecided. Most likely it will be able to be used with more than 12 cells.

Thanks,
Charlie

[not.enough.toys]

woohooooooo. Just what I wanted to hear. I have a hybrid maxx that I was going to convert to brushless with the hacker. But, after having hearing of Novak's system, I will wait for it. And for an estimated price of $300, that sounds like a bargain.

[dont slow down]

hey this is awesome! today i just bought the ss system for my t2 and that thing has crazy power! i also have an emaxx that i wanted to go brushless with, but the price of hacker kinda held me back, i just couldnt afford over 450 for a setup no matter how the performance was. i think i will seriously look at the new novak hv for my emaxx, and i dont even want to run more than 12 cells because my packs that i have are matched, and if i add another cell that will throw them off. but from the look of it, it wont be much more expensive than the ss!

[old phart]

Originally posted by CharlieS
And people wonder why we never give out early information anymore.

Exactly! That's why I left MaxxTraxx forums over a year ago because the ModelTech hooligans were just obnoxious and unrelenting. Turns out their vaunted ModelTech was merely a re-stickered Hacker.

I also remember on Novaks' board there were the same hooligans and even now some of them are here at RCCA praising the Novak SS system. :rolleyes:

I am Novak orange thru and thru. I have been patiently waiting. The moment the SS came out I had it in one of my vehicles. The moment the HV-Maxx comes out I will have it in my E-Maxx.

Thanks Novak!

[mavrick0]

My one question is do we have a minumum cell count on this unit. I know the SS is a good set up but if this can do minumum of 6 cells I'd personally rather pick up this new HV for my E-pede then pick up the SS.

[GWF]

As with your example, I've had such good experiences with Novak, I cannot see a reason to have anything else. The XXTRAs were a FANTASTIC idea and I love them, the SS Brushless is another FANTASTIC idea and the best advancement I have EVER seen in motors and I LOVE it

Thank you Novak.

PS: I also agree with Charlie that the VAST majority of us who simply bash and race; don't really experiment with 20 cells or really have much of a desire to, but we want products that work with the "standard" setups our fellow racers have.

Gary

[hyperstang]

What about us racers out there with the TXT. Can we put this bad boy in a TXT without and ESC overload???

I currently run my TXT with an emaxx tranny, so I am hoping this thing can run well with the TXT...


Race on...

[Hairball]

Originally posted by Lord Radeon
I disagree. If your going to put down$$$ on brushless system, then your going to have done research on it. There are far better options available that allow you to scale power. Brushless power is almost linear. It's sad that their controller limits to 12 cells... a reason MANY buyers won't purchase the novak system.

Have you seen what a Hacker C50 can do with 12 cells? If not, open your eyes.

[jay272]

I have a ? for everyone who thinks that a 12 limit is a good Idea. What would be so terribly wrong with building the new novak BL system so that it CAN hand 16 cells? Why does novak build so many of their racing ESC's to handle up to 7 or 8 cells? People only race with 6 right? :confused:

Guessing, I would say that they do it so that the consumer enjoys having the option of running more cells than what is deemed standard.

You guys are making it seem like those who want a system to handle more than 12 cells are asking for something impossible to create. Hell, I say just make it able to handle 14 or 16 cells, and increase the retail price of the system another $3-5 (or whatever it'll cost novak) to make up for the extra engineering costs. No one will really care about or even notice a small price increase, but novak will get more satisfied customers, and more notice from the speed freaks out there who love the extra power. I think that the Hacker and lehner crowd would go to novak too, since novak is an all around great company and have such great customer support, and most would prefer a sensored system like novak's.

Everyone can say what they want about who is EXPECTED to buy this system. All I know is that everyone (that own brushless setups) at the 3 tracks that I frequent only buy brushless primarily because of their speed and runtime. Not one said they spent hundreds of $$ just to avoid maintenance, though they like not having to ever true a comm or change brushes. I never see the average guy with a brushless set up. It's always the speed freaks with deep pockets. The average guy will never even buy a brushless system, Or spend $250+ on anything for a car/truck that doesn't at least off the POSSIBILITY of insane speed.

Am I wrong?? If so it wouldn't be the first time!:D

[Hairball]

Nothing wrong with allowing it to use more cells.

My point is, if you've seen what can be done with 12 cells (Hacker C50, and we'll see what Novak has done), I don't think you'd want to use anymore cells.

My Brushless E-Maxx hits 50mph easy with 12 cells....

[jay272]

50 mph? Not bad at all! I'm sure that a 12 cell novak system would be pretty sweet. How fast would your max go with 14 cells?? :D

[Hairball]

I have no idea, and I'm not about to try. The controller is rated for 12 cells, and gets damn hot while running. At $200 a peice for the ESCs, I'm not about to push it... :)

[k_sw31]

I think it is great that novak has started producing brushless motors, it can only help the rc market. Its nice that they are designing brushless motors that produce power similar to their brushed counterparts, however, I do think it would be wise for them to design setups that would also target the guys who go out and drop 500$'s on a hacker setup. Say if they were to allow the new HV bl motor to take up to 18 cells...I think they would make a ton of sales, and it would probably pick up the interest of many hacker guys.

I own a lehner basic 5300, I can tell you, the power is just amazing, but, finding a decent controller has been a total bitch, not to mention how expensive it has been.

I think if novak were to start releasing motors taking high cell counts, spinning high rpms and producing driveshaft bending torque, they would have the entire brushless motor market dominated.

I am saving up for a 200$ hacker controller to use with my 5300, but, if novak were to release a motor with similar power to it, taking 8-12 cells, I would sell the basic and buy one of those in a heart beat.

Even if the performance would be the same, it would be because I know there is some serious costumer service behind it.

Just give it time...If novak continues down the road they are going they will no doubt own the brushless market. :)

[Hairball]

Ok, time to fill in the uneducated.

Novak is NOT producing a motor for the extremeist. They are producing a direct bolt in E-Maxx motor replacement system.

Its not going to be a SUPER motor. It will be fast, but not much faster than a stock E-Maxx. Its designed for noobs.

Why do I say this? Look at the picture and the specs given. Its pretty damn obvious what they are doing.

Tamiya plugs?! Anything that draws more amps than the stock motors would melt Tamiya plugs in a heartbeat!

I'm happy that Novak is making the HV system to replace the crappy Titan motor / EVX combo, but its not going to compare to a $400 Hacker system, or a high end Lehner system. Its going to be somewhere in between the Hacker C50, and a stock E-Maxx.

10 : 1 Traxxas starts selling E-Maxxes with the Novak system pre-installed sometime in the future...

[Performance RC]

Whats the release date o this system?

Hairball, I sure hope your a little wrong.

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by Hairball
Ok, time to fill in the uneducated.

Novak is NOT producing a motor for the extremeist. They are producing a direct bolt in E-Maxx motor replacement system.

Its not going to be a SUPER motor. It will be fast, but not much faster than a stock E-Maxx. Its designed for noobs.


...I know that, its pretty obvious, I was trying to communicate how if novak were to come out with some super powerful motors, they would have the entire market in their hands...

[jay272]

Originally posted by Hairball
Ok, time to fill in the uneducated.

Novak is NOT producing a motor for the extremeist. They are producing a direct bolt in E-Maxx motor replacement system.

Its not going to be a SUPER motor. It will be fast, but not much faster than a stock E-Maxx. Its designed for noobs.

Why do I say this? Look at the picture and the specs given. Its pretty damn obvious what they are doing.

Tamiya plugs?! Anything that draws more amps than the stock motors would melt Tamiya plugs in a heartbeat!

I'm happy that Novak is making the HV system to replace the crappy Titan motor / EVX combo, but its not going to compare to a $400 Hacker system, or a high end Lehner system. Its going to be somewhere in between the Hacker C50, and a stock E-Maxx.

10 : 1 Traxxas starts selling E-Maxxes with the Novak system pre-installed sometime in the future...

For every "noob" you show me with a brushless system, I'll show you 100 who don't even know what a brushless motor is.

[Hairball]

You 'tard.

RTR and Noob go hand in hand. Novak is going to advertise no? Hobby shops will push this thing like its cool. Its Novak. Everyone knows who Novak is.

Like, when this thing comes out, they're will probably be a flyer in every new E-Maxx kit for the HV-Maxx system.

Something like "Maxximize your 'Maxx" or some crap like that. They will sell like hotcakes!

This is a DROP IN REPLACEMENT SYSTEM! Do you have any idea of what it took to make my E-Maxx handle the power of a Hacker C50 system? New diffs, new drivelines, new tranny gears, etc...

Otherwise I'd be blowing these parts like crazy. Novak is not going to make a 'Maxx killing motor like Hacker did. People can see spending $300 on a no-maintence + upgraded performace system. They are NOT going to see spending another $500+ on beefing up there 'Maxx to handle the extra power.

BTW jay272 - Do you own a brushless system? Do you even have an E-maxx?

[drumr racer]

Is it me, or does the motor on the picture from the first page look longer, and skinnier than the titan motors. It sure is longer and sleeker than my Novak Super Sport system (of course I know it's a 550)
I got my BL SS just so I don't have to maintain it so much, the only thing that I have to maintain is pretty much simply brush the bearings.

[speedydave]

From Novak's site:

Slightly longer than 550-size motor

[Hairball]

Its amazing to see what can happen when you read. :p

[CharlieS]

Still very interesting posts I must admit. :) Thanks again for all the kind comments.

We're hoping the HV system will blow the doors off everyone elses systems. I've driven it pretty extensively and it is much faster and more powerful than the Stock Titans. We can acheive failry good performance out of decent stick packs, but also will be recommending that everyone upgrade their connectors and point out this system is designed for trucks with modified drivetrains and will damage stock parts very easily.

Also, we are working on more systems of course, we have a more powerful 4-7 cell system in the works right now. Early testing has got us close 7-8 turn speeds, and well still have lots of things to try.

We have considered a lower speed Drop in type of system for the E-Maxx and stock parts, but it is unlikely we would go that route for quite some time. All request have been for more and more power, and that's what we plan to offer. If the sales are even half of the request, we'll be fine I'm sure.

Also, just so you know, adding a few cells to limit is no easy task and usually involves much much more than a few dollars in cost.

The HV motor is about 1/4 in. longer than the stock motors, it's the same diameter as the SS.

Again, Thanks
Charlie

[Hairball]

Tower is listing the new HV-Maxx system for about $330. Good price! :)

But, will it blow the doors off of my Hacker system? :D I'm really curious how powerful this system is, and what upgrades are "A MUST" to prevent constant E-Maxx breakdowns....

[CharlieS]

Well you need to upgrade to CVD's for the axles and the centers, the Diffs do okay, if you take them appart, regrease and shim them a bit. I've buckeled a few diff cases and destroyed a few Second gears, but if you don't "try" to break the tranny's they hold up okay. But who can resist the wheelies and backflips. I've had a truck last as long as 10 hard runs, and as short as a few minutes. Most of the running we do is in super high traction it's a lot worse than on the dirt. I big saver, was running the slipper a bit loose, you still get all the wheelies and back flips, but the shock is taken out so it will hold up much better. Problem is the stock slipper will constantly need adjustment as you use it. I'm ordering a bunch of drivetrain stuff for future testing.

Right now, I'm the master Emaxx repair guy too, I can swap a diff or tranny pretty quickly now. :)

I don't know that it will be the fastest kid on the block, but that is exactly what we are hoping for. Then we can offer slower motors if needed. That part is easy.

Thanks
Charlie

[Hairball]

How is it at low speeds? Cogging?

How about torque at low speeds? I'm thinking about one of these for my TXT-1 rock crawler, since my Hacker C50 setup is just too damn fast, and it coggs at low speeds.

[Performance RC]

Hey, you seem to know alot. Can you answer a couple questions?

1.) Will an ESC be realeased later for the HV maxx that will alow it to hold 7 cells instead fo 6's?

2.) Would you recommend at all to replace the diffs or any parts of them, if so do you like the maxximizer stuff or the Robinson Racing stuff?

3.) How long till I can purchase one, I cant wait to get my maxx' runnin.

[Hairball]

Oh, one more question.

Will it run on less than 12 cells? I like to run my TXT-1 on 6 to 8 cells.

[jeepinator]

Charlie for president!
What a great response!

[Hairball]

Originally posted by Performance RC
Hey, you seem to know alot. Can you answer a couple questions?

1.) Will an ESC be realeased later for the HV maxx that will alow it to hold 7 cells instead fo 6's?

2.) Would you recommend at all to replace the diffs or any parts of them, if so do you like the maxximizer stuff or the Robinson Racing stuff?


I run a Robinson Racring dual disc slipper on my brushless maxx, and its held up great so far. Stock slipper melted on 2nd run. :D

7 cell packs? That was already covered in this thread. Charlie said they "might" allow 14 cells, still testing.

[Performance RC]

Thanks for clearing some of that up fursphere!

[rckid11]

how fast will a brushless e-maxx go?

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by CharlieS


Also, we are working on more systems of course, we have a more powerful 4-7 cell system in the works right now. Early testing has got us close 7-8 turn speeds, and well still have lots of things to try.



Just what I've been wanting to hear! I'd love a rock solid, cogg-free system as powerful as my lehner 5300! Consider it sold. :)

It would be nice to see 8-10 cell capability, but 6 should be just fine for now. :)

Thanks for dropping by Charlie! Its always awesome to see company reps on the boards!

[old phart]

Originally posted by CharlieS

I don't know that it will be the fastest kid on the block, but that is exactly what we are hoping for. Then we can offer slower motors if needed. That part is easy.

Thanks
Charlie

:D :D :D I'm salivating! I can't wait to install that bad boy in my heavily modifed E-Maxx. :D :D :D

I also can't wait to rub the Model Tech hooligans faces in the HV's waste!

[dont slow down]

so this setup will only allow 6 cells? or am i picking up something that isnt realy? lol, will i be able to plug in my normal 6 cell packs to this thing? i know that i will only run 12 cells becuase my packs are matched. but i love my ss system, i hope this system is worthy of my emaxx :D :D

[StevePond]

This system is designed to use up to 12 cells or more. The final specs are not locked in, but I believe the original post said 12 cells.

[Hairball]

No, I think hes asking if he can use two normal six cells packs, or if he has to use a custom twelve cell pack.

If you look at the firs post with the picture of the ESC, you'll notice two battery connectors. The system is setup just like a stock E-Maxx. Using two batteries.

[metalry101]

Charlie~
Great to see a company rep on the boards. That's awesome, and Novak is a great company. I run a lot of different stuff, Mtronics, Novak, LRP, etc. I've had great luck w/ all of them, but I used a Rooster hard, including soaking it many times, and after I let it dry, it always worked perfectly. It wasn't the smallest or the cheapest, but it was one helluva good design. I'm not so enthusiastic about the EVX, and as such I'm kinda worried about the reliability of the controller for this brushless system, because obviously it is infinately harder to design a controller that can push ridiculous amounts of amps while operating on double the voltage of a normal ESC. But, if it wasn't so hard, more companies would have made ESCs that could be run in the E-Maxx and converted TXT-1's by now, so kudos to Novak for stepping up. So, even though the design isn't perfect, at least you took a chance. Also, I've never ran the SS Brushless system, but I've heard nothing but praise for it, so I would assume that it's worth every penny. If I ran a 1/10 scale, I'd put that system in it, and after I check out this new setup for the Maxx, not to mention save some money for it, I'll probably get it.

And my comment on the whole number of cells debate is the same as many other people's. Why not make it so it can? Except for one little note here. 3-5 bux extra so it can run 2 cells more? *** are you smokin? Let's see here, that's 2.4 more volts through the controller, the wires, and the motor, which necessitates bigger, heavier components. Also, this gives the motor more RPMs for more speed, correct? Ever think that spinning faster is harder on the motor? You know, thinks like bearings? And what about the magnets (that's what spins in a BL motor right?)? That's more centrifigal or centripital (I can't remember physics from last year) force that they have to resist, all while having that extra voltage (AKA energy, and more energy= more heat). Ya, the parts might not be much more expensive, but the design process, and possibly the manufacturing process could potentially be much more costly, which would increase the price more than just a few dollars. Ya, that system would be more reliable for the people who did just run the stock setup (12 cells), but it would also scare more people away because of the higher pricetag. I don't know about you, but paying 330 dollars for a new power system for a truck that moves damn well out of the box, and that only cost me 320 bux that way is kinda painful. Paying 370 or 400 would be even more painful, and it would cause them to lose people to the Hacker system (which I've heard great things about, but they're not a huge PROVEN name brand like Novak) because their system is faster or something.

[Hairball]

I'm a Hacker person. I paid about $420 for my setup. And then I paid about $600 on top of that putting aftermarket stuff onto my E-Maxx so it wouldn't break. Then I decided to go all the way about spend a total of about $2300 total on my E-Maxx.

Its fast. Stupid fast even. 50mph+ fast.

Now I'm waiting to see what Novak can do. :)

[LongRat]

I was annoyed to find the Modeltech system was basically a re-sell, and what I have is a Hacker C40 motor and Kontronik controller. But I can't fault the performance, faster than anything else I've seen and I was one of the first to own a BL system - got it in Jan 2001. Maybe I'm a hooligan too ;)

[DrDiff]

Tower has the ESC listed for $209.99 It says nothing about the motor.

[Hairball]

Originally posted by DrDiff
Tower has the ESC listed for $209.99 It says nothing about the motor.

Look again. I found both.

[anothermbdusted]

124.99,209.99 is what tower has them for although still pending orders but they list them for that at least.i just want to know how fast they will go is all whats it compared to?the price is right for sure though

[muswagon]

Just a note on what was written on the first page (I just found this thread). Someone said the crazy fast high end BL market is 20%. That leaves 80% of the newbie/basher/racer market. I am sure that Novak will make more money on lower input cost/higher sales than on the crazy high input costs with low sales. Niche markets are for small companies who do not want to take on big companies head to head. Compare buying a Hyper 7 1/8th buggy, vs buying a Kanai 2 and all the fixin's. They both do a great job, however, the performance of the KY will obviously be better. However, I bet Ho Boa/Ofna are making a hell of alot more money than Kyosho is on each of the mentioned buggies.

[anothermbdusted]

Hairball: Since your truck does 50+ MPH how long does it take for your engine to eat your tranny for lunch?

heres something to make you drool over also
:http://www.thewebmine.com/gears/PA160021.JPG
those are emaxx gears..prototypes off of maxxtraxxusa.com

[Hairball]

Originally posted by anothermbdusted
Hairball: Since your truck does 50+ MPH how long does it take for your engine to eat your tranny for lunch?

heres something to make you drool over also
:http://www.thewebmine.com/gears/PA160021.JPG
those are emaxx gears..prototypes off of maxxtraxxusa.com

It doesn't. I've got SuperMaxx steel idlers, and haven't had any problems yet.

And those prototype gears? Already got a set on order. :D

[anothermbdusted]

i dont mean your diffs i mean your transmission.

[k_sw31]

There are no idler gears in differentials...those are in trannys.

[anothermbdusted]

yeah i know that but from what ive read and heard from alot of people that run brushless even if you have that idler gear from super maxx you will still strip out a tranny in due time...especailly anything over 47mph.....look at bombproof he said at maxxtraxx one time he goes through them about once a week thats why hes got a few trannys laying around.....

[Hairball]

Well, I don't abuse my rig either. :rolleyes:

[mr-e-maxx]

I received my new Tower Talk from Tower Hobbies today and on page 66 they have the Novak speed controls,their it says that the HV-Maxx is a 12 cell forward,reverse and brakes. So their we have it. What does everyone think? :D

[Hairball]

I think if you would have read this thread, you would have already known that. Charlie (Novaks PR guy) already said that two, maybe three times.

[mr-e-maxx]

I think if you had also read this thread you would also have known that Charlie kept hinting that it would possibly go 14 cells
also. So now at least know for sure what its cell limit is. :cool:




Hang Tough & Keep On Crushing
Tony/ mr-e-maxx

[BigBadTahoe]

Did I miss something or did somebody say the approx. speed? Titans are good for about 25mph, right?

[mr-e-maxx]

Whos takling about speed (my E-Maxx with diffirent pinons & spur,with two six cell packs and two Titan motors has been clocked on radar 32 mph and still have plenty of low end tourqe) we where talking about cell limit on the HV BL esc.

Hang Tough & Keep On Crushing
Tony/mr-e-maxx

[Hairball]

Originally posted by mr-e-maxx
Whos takling about speed (my E-Maxx with diffirent pinons & spur,with two six cell packs and two Titan motors has been clocked on radar 32 mph and still have plenty of low end tourqe) we where talking about cell limit on the HV BL esc.

Hang Tough & Keep On Crushing
Tony/mr-e-maxx

Ya, and I can clock a palm tree at 80 mph with a radar too.

Radar guns are highly inaccurate. If you want to check the speed of an R/C, use a GPS unit. Just about anything else is bogus.

[metalry101]

I don't think radar's all that innaccurate if it's set up correctly, and I can totally believe 32 mph out of a stock Maxx that's geared right and runs on quality packs. I bet my Maxx does that with 22/66 gearing and Pro-Match 3000HV's. Nobody who's seen my truck run that combo has ever complained about speed in the least bit. I have a friend w/ a Savage, and he finally got 'er runnin well, so I plan on racing him a bit one of these days. He said his truck was doin about 27 mph w/ stock gearing and a new HPI 25 that probably hasn't been leaned out much. Should be fun! Also, can't wait to see what this BL system can do. I hope to see a test of it in one of the mags b4 Christmas. I plan on getting the Torpedo chassis for my E-Maxx first (my b-day's tomorrow), and then the best BL system (either this or Hacker) for Christmas. I wanna see a review of it, how smooth it is, and how powerful and fast it is before I spend that kinda coin though. It looks to be excellent, and I've heard great things about the SS system, but I wanna see how fast this system is compared to the Hacker system.

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by Hairball
Ya, and I can clock a palm tree at 80 mph with a radar too.

Radar guns are highly inaccurate. If you want to check the speed of an R/C, use a GPS unit. Just about anything else is bogus.

I agree, although radar guns can be more accurate than that gps, its hard to achieve. I have heard a ton of bogus radar times.

Take police radar as an example. They are around 800$, top quality stuff, and need to be calibrated every 2 weeks to a month (required by law). This much work for a top of the line radar gun says something about the ones you pick up from 100-200$.

GPS, on the other hand, are fairly accurate and consistent.

[Hairball]

I read a consumer reports article that review 15 current police issue radar systems.

All of them, when calibrated correctly, were on average 45% - 75% INACCURATE.

But its all they have, so its what they use.

[metalry101]

I see what you're saying, but I don't have GPS, and I don't know too many people who are comfortable strapping a 300 dollar GPS unit to a 1/10 scale car that's gonna do anywhere from 20-60+ miles an hour, ya know? Not to mention, my Micro can't exactly carry that kind of weight and remain controllable, or even get any kind of speed, it's too big relative to the car, the GPS would add too much weight. Obviously my E-Maxx wouldn't notice the weight a whole lot, but it still would notice it some. It sure as hell isn't as fast when it's loaded w/ snow and/or mud. Then again that weighs more, but still, the extra weight slows it down at least some, and the smaller the car, the more it'll be noticed, especially in acceleration. So ya, GPS is probably better, and more accurate, but it's got it's share of problems too.

[Hairball]

Looks like you've never even looked into a GPS unit.

http://www.garmin.com/products/geko101/

Garmin Geko
Weight: only 3.1oz with batteries
Compact size: 1.9" W x 3.9" H x .96" D
Price- around $100

[mr-e-maxx]

All of my RC'S that I have given speeds for on this or anyother forum where done by my next door nieghbor who is a police officer, so I am sure that my speeds if off are not off by much. :D

[Mr. Constructor]

Normally i wouldn´t by the Novak SS, as i wanna use the extreme limits of my cars, but in this case, another thing might be cool:
use a Novak HV and Motor with 12 cells in a Schumacher big 6, this would be really a good thing, the normal Novak is way too costly here in germany and has not the good power, but this system is very good, the general direction of novak is right:
bringing BL in soft powered forms to the people, the other ("extreme" people) will choose other systems, so novak really will have a chance with it !!
(i just have to look around for it to get my own, this might be a n interesting winter project, the big 6 and this system and some carbon parts . . . . yeah !!
That thing might be very fast AND driveable (due to the huge car itself !!)

[anothermbdusted]

says on order at tower for 299 i hope its that cheap means ill be able to get it ease then lol

[bonescro]

I'm with you, Hairball. I have $2200 in my E-Maxx, and was running a B50-8S with the Sport Controller, and the Sport took a dump. I went to Titans @ 14 cells until I could decide what I wanted to do. I am quite please with the current setup (haven't broken anything else), and am looking forward to the HV-Maxx system. I want a bit more than Titans sans mantenance.

The Hacker system was sick, but it was tough on the gear. I like the idea of the sensored design, and the multiple settings. Those are the two big points on this one for me. As for the power, I can trust Novak for doing the same thing that they did with the SS.

[mr-e-maxx]

Has anyone gottin there hands on one yet? If so how about a report.:cool:

[anothermbdusted]

not yet released but ill be on the list to get it first since my buddy owns a online store lol