TC3 Rally forum

[StevePond]

Started at the request of Stock452

[Stocker452]

thanks a lot steve.

OK for the first question I need to know where I get new springs to replace the stock springs. They fit my friends B4 so would I just get associated front buggy springs or should I get some other kind. and also what weight shock oil do u use and stiffness of springs. :confused:

[LearjetMinako]

I can't really say what springs will fit, but I use both the rally and stock kit springs. I change them out so I can go back and forth from off-road to on-road. The rally springs that came with the kit are the ones that I use. And I also use the 25 weight oil. I kept with that oil for its all around use. I found that the 40 weight oil wouldn't allow the car to react fast enough. Thanks for starting a TC3 Rally fourm. I have a question: What do you think of the conversion kit so far?:D

[SteveK]

For the TC3 Rally you want to use the buggy front springs: That what my RC10DS uses, and it has the same shocks at the TC3 (The TC has shorter shafts, and the rally kit includes the longer ones to give them .56" stroke).

[Punisher911]

I'm thinking about getting the rally kit. Are you guys impressed with it? Could someone show some pics? Realisticly, how big can it jump, take bumps, etc...? Mine will probably run mostly on pavement, which here in Michigan is pretty rough. Most of our parking lots are full of cracks, dips, and bumps.

[LearjetMinako]

It won't take jumps very well, only if add pre-loaders to the shocks then it will. I have actually jumped mine a few times, off the truck jumps, and I was impressed on how well it stayed leved in flight and landed on all four without much bounce. But it did bottom out and touple over a few times too. Have to take jumps fast, if not, then the nose will drop in flight and dig into the dirt. But the TC3 is well built, so no damage from all the fun I had driving it harshly. Their is one thing that everybody at the LHS was impressed at. A elec TC3 running on a dirt oval beating the T-Maxx's, AE GT, Duratrax, and OFNA buggies on dirt. This was a jall drop for the drivers and a wake up call to the guys/gals that were there to watch. Nobody thought a elec car could beat a nitro vechile in a race around a dirt oval. And I wasn't even pushing it the limit yet.:D

Equipment:
TC3 Racer with Rally Conversion Kit
D5 Flatliner 12t Single with a 22t pinion
GP 3300 battery (6cell)
JR XR3 Radio
LRP Super F1 ESC

[Punisher911]

Nice car. Could you possibly show a picture of the ground clearance? Not to be picky. How smooth was this dirt oval? I'm trying to decide between a TC3 rally conversion, or a HPI RS4 Rally. Just looking to bash mostly with a friend who has a Tamiya rally, and I mean BASH. I like playing tag. Just a little clip or bump from the side or rear, and you're it. I was doing that with my kids EvaderSTs, with the other adults and it was big fun. Very hard to actually catch someone though. I don't know how the dogfighters do it. (anticipating their moves)

[LearjetMinako]

The track was a Blue Groove setup, but I mostly took the loose dirt on the sides. It is fun to watch dirt fly 6ft in the air from the spinning tires. As ground clearance, I think it is enough. I went through some pretty loose dirt that came 3/4 up on the rims. But with 4wd, it just pulled its way through with ease.

Sorry if the picture is a bit out of focus.

[LearjetMinako]

Now the pictures I posted was before I got it dirty and right after I finished it.

Oh, and one more thing, the outdrives from the diffs will wear a lot quicker if the ride height is increased to where the axles are not straight horizonitally. I leveled out my because of this, but in return, it performed even better and soaked more of the little bumps too. But jump performance decreased with the lighter preload. But still it was fun to drive.

Here a shot of it arcicilation.

[atm92484_3]

Punisher, I got the rally kit on my TC3 mainly just to bash in parking lots and on dirt. It makes a world of differences compared to running the car stock on rough surfaces.

http://www.******.net/media/MVC-002F---rcp4.jpg
http://www.******.net/media/MVC-006F---rcp5.jpg

[Punisher911]

Is that a Novak BL? Nice body. Wouldn't last long with me though. I wreck bodies, I'm a basher. I couldn't find the underbody cover on the website. I know you need that to keep rocks and stuff out of the steering. Any help with that?

[atm92484_3]

Yes its a Novak. For the guard, its pretty much just a piece of lexan thats cut and bent so that it goes on before the two nuts the hold the steering on. I don't have the diagram for it here (its on my PC at home and I'm at school), but it isn't that hard to make.

[Kodiak31415]

Got some questions for ya.

How long does the conversion from normal to rally take?
Would a p2k (fantom) work well enough to power the car off road?
and what else besides the conversion kit do you need for good bashing?

[LearjetMinako]

It took me 4 hours to do the conversion. The front suspension is the hardest part, only you get to the rear suspension, it will be done in about 30 min. A p2k is from Trinity, right? I don't know about that motor. But I already driven it with a P2K2, Monster Horsepower, and a D5 Flatliner 12t single. I liked the P2K2 and the Monster motors for their low end torque which is great for drifting through the dirt and its still fast enough to do little jumps. "What other things are needed to bash?" Well other than cutting a few more chunks of lexen off your body to make it fit or buy a rally style body to make it a rally car. Basically nothing else is needed. But I do recommend that you cover up the motor chassis slot with lexen or plastic and also build a dirt/rock guard for the steering rack.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. When the car is at maxmium ride height in the front. The steering links have a tendence to scrape the chassis, and in some cases, stop the wheels from being pointed in the right direction. Either lowering the ride height or cut a little bit of the chassis where the steering links hit, will fit the problem.

[Punisher911]

Can you show a pic of your steering guard? Thanks for the help so far.

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

how durable are the plastic bones that comes with the kit?

[LearjetMinako]

I haven't got around to actually build a steering rack guard yet. But I will later on. And for the durablity of the compsite cvd axles, I haven't yet found any trouble yet with them so far. But if their anything like the stock kit ones, then they will last a long time.

[SteveK]

I recall hearing the composite 'bones are actually stronger than the aluminum ones.

Could somebody jack their suspension all the way up and measure how much ground clearance they have with their TC3 Rally?

[LearjetMinako]

I've heard the same story about the compsite cvds are actually stronger than the aluminum ones. I like the compsite ones for light weight and low rotation mass.

For the max ground clearance. I measuered mine with the most preloaders on the shocks and got 3/4 of an inch or 20mm. Its high enough to stick your fingers underneth. I have my ride height set to 11mm for rally and for on-road racing, down to 2mm.

[Stocker452]

my composite CVDs actually bend under stress. thats why i switched to MIP Shiny CVDs on my non rally TC3. If I ever go back to rally then I will probably find some MIP CVDs for the rally. AE offers their blue FT version

[T3GT]

I'm so glad they finally made this forum.....I've E-mailed them about starting it, but never got a reply......but anyway, at least it's here.......It's been about a year since I've raced my TC3 Rally, but I'm getting ready to race it very soon, I just converted it back Rally a couple days ago......and all the R & D my friend and I did is starting to come back to me now....

Punisher911-----Here's a pic of the steering rack cover....I'm still using the same one I made a year ago....so they pretty much last....Now, the Driveshaft IS going to rub on the Lexan cover, so don't worry about that, but you will NOT be using the 4 washers below and on top of the bearings in the rack(if you have the bushings from the racer kit, chuck'em and get the Bearings!!!...this is a Must!!). The Lexan will take the washers' place........as you can see....I put lexan, cut to fit, under AND over the rack.....This is from experience of having little rocks and little chunks of dirt block my steering rack from moving in the middle of racing:(.....after I did this lil Mod.....I never had another problem with steering:)....and as far as the top piece, AE's site has a template that you can print out and use to cut you Lexan pefect.(I didn't find this out until after I made one up myself....I sent that Idea in to RCCA and got PIT TIP OF THE MONTH last year:):))...If I find the link again, I'll post it for you.....

[T3GT]

BTW....This is what my Rally Ride Looks like right now....considering racing puts a beating on all rally bodies(we go through a body a month:)), My silverado is holding up pretty good.....Time to start painting another one soon:D

[Punisher911]

Where do I look on the website for the template? Nice truck body, but I'm a Peugeot 206 fan. I'm looking at my gray slot car with the blue rims right now.(#99 ESSO) Sweet!

[LearjetMinako]

Here's the link for the steering rack cover from Team Associated.
Steering Rack Cover (http://rc10.com/pdf/tc3_rack_cover.PDF)

[Punisher911]

Thanks for the link.

[speedydave]

Hey ATM, how's the Novak in the TC3 Rally? Is it worthy(the motor, the car, and the package)?

[atm92484_3]

I'd have to say its worthy. I don't have a lot of experience with low-turn brushed motors, but for the money, the Novak seems really reliable and fast. I ran it on a track a few times and it seemed to do pretty good aside from getting thrown around a little big by the larger jumps for 1/8 buggies and 1/10 gas trucks.

[momosport]

Well, our track used to have a rally class and it was quite popular. Since the winter months are setting in, many racers are returning to the indoor offroad track ( www.amainraceway.com ) and getting back to racing.

I was running my HPI rally, but it just wasn't fast enough. having one of the first rally conversions in OR, I set out to repair my TC3 Rally and get it racing.

At the most recent race, i brought my TC3 still in pieces and repaired it between rounds. For the Main, I finally had the car back together with out any track tests or set up. I managed to move from 9th place Qual into 1st place for a few short laps, before i was taken out by ball stud. I was in a hurry and placed a shorter stud in a location that I knew would create problems. Sure enough, after about 10 laps, the gremlins caught me and I was forced to retire. I was smoking the field (which in all fairness was mostly novice w/ one other rally car) with my car and i hope to be back up racing in no time.

Most recently I replaced the stock shoks with the ones from my HPI so to give my car more travel and better suspension. It took a bit of modifying but i was able to get the suspension to work. Last week at practice, i misjudged the cross-over and landed on a pipe, breaking my front hub carrier. I'll be back racing in no time, I just need to get off work earlier!


MOmo

[LearjetMinako]

yeah, the guys/gals at the lhs are getting their TC3 for indoor racing again. I kept my rally conversion kit on but changed the front bumper back and lowered the car. Haven't tested as it yet. A little thing I found out. Driving the TC3 with rwd (rear 2-wheel drive) is very hard. The car wants to spin and slip everywhere. I thought it would be great for more power but I was wrong. I'm sticking to 4wd now.

[T3GT]

Yeah....4WD is the BEST way to Rally...I'm ready to Race My TC3Rally at my local track too...I think the Rally cars, set up correctly, are the most FUN cars to drive on the track...and they're fast as hell too:D

[boostinzx]

Has anyone found a good inner body or made up any kind of wheel wells for the TC3 chassis?... I have the TC3 with the Rally conversion kit on it and I love it...

[T3GT]

boostinzx-----The only Inner Body that I found was the HPI Inner Body. But it has to be modified to fit the TC3 Rally....The top stays the same, but the bottom gets cut up to make the sides taller (raises the Drivers up a little to look better--use a Rally body to adjust how high you need to make it) and the rest is bent upwards to attach to the side of the chassis with velcro. I Duck Tape the inside of the Inner Body and put cool stickers on the outside for looks. (Mine is just used and has seen many races:))...Here's a pic!!

[T3GT]

...As far as Wheelwells......You can make them yourself.....When you cut out your Wheels in your Lexan body, save them to trim and use as Wheelwells on your Rally Chassis.....Just make sure that when you cut the wheels out of the lexan body, leave the lip on the end, that way you can mount it upsidedown facing towards the wheel itself (Trim the lip to fit up inside your Rally Body)......This keeps the dirt out of the chassis pretty well.....As far as mounting them....Just drill 2 holes in the chassis right where you see the screws in the Pic Below....I used regular 4-40 Screws...:D

[T3GT]

Here's what it looks like in the WRX Body!!:D

[xxh0lywarsxx]

i live in new york soo how about ridding in the snow? that should be fun on packed powder or ice snow mean drifting lol. how hard would it be to waterproof electronics and what do i have to waterproof

[microrcdude]

MOmo,
What tires are ya' usin? Gonna get my top shaft and swich for my rs4 and i'm gonna have to race. What motor are you usin' too?

[LearjetMinako]

Its not too hard to waterproof (well not waterproof but water restit) the TC3. most recommend that you ballon the ESC and the Receicver. i just sran wrap the car and seal it off with duct tape. It works, and keeps the car cleaner and dryer too. Snow driving is alot of fun, but this year is going to be even more fun with the rally kit installed:D . Since you live in New York, HolyWar, then you know how much snow they get. Like, I can't get out of house because the snow is blocking my door:D. I just love to build tunnels through that white stuff. Too bad I can't be there this year, I'm stuck here in Oklahoma.

[microrcdude]

I guess you guys sold your TC3 rallys?

[LearjetMinako]

no, just haven't replied on the board latey. Rally season is at its down-time for me, until it snows or ice over. Mostly racing on-road with the TC3 now. Doing hop-ups to make it go faster and perform better. :D

[2jz-gte]

will parts from the rallly conversion (mainly the shock shafts and the bumper) fit a nitro tc3? or what about just using front buggy shocks for the suspension. the nitro is already 200mm so i wont need the arms, and i was looking at titanium chassis so it can handle bumps and jumps without bending. what do u guys think?

[microrcdude]

get HPI rally shocks. they are better than buggy shocks.

[2jz-gte]

will it work tho? and how much ground clearance will i get with buggy shocks vs hpi rallys? are there variable spring rates for the hpi rallys?

[microrcdude]

HPI are better and cheaper. they give a lot of GC to the TC3.

[Snoozy]

Does this conversion kit for for NTC3's too? I'm thinking about getting FT NTC3 + Picco .12 + Rally Kit. This would be for mostly bashing. (I have a job I like to spend money don't tell me this is expensive I know lol)

[LearjetMinako]

Sorry, its mainly met for the TC3 and not the nitro version.

[Lord Hobbes]

from what ive researched, ive been looking at a ntc3 + rally or a SNRS4 rally. i would love the ntc3, but from what it seems, the tc3 rally kid for a ntc3 is a waste. i think ud have to buy the parts manually, like the shocks and tires. i think if u bought everything piece by piece, it would be cheaper for the ntc3.

[boostinzx]

Thanks for the info man... I will have to make those wheel wells and purchase the inner body:)... Thanks again...:)

-Ian

[Stocker452]

The TC3 Rally conversion kit does not fit the NTC3. The NTC3's suspension is completly different. Plus the NTC3 wouldn't be able to survive rally and the max ground clearance of NTC3 is about .5 - .75 of and inch

[LearjetMinako]

Wow, I guess its a small world for the Rally TC3. Heeellllooooo, echo: Hello, hello,hello,hello,hello,hello,hello,hello.

[T3GT]

I hear ya Lear......But I still have my Rally kickin'....:).........

Later, Later, Later, Later, Later, Later, Later, ...... :D

[IMNOBUG]

Hey guys! Whats new? I've got a racer TC3 laying around collecting dust, probabley gonna score a conversion kit, steering rack bearings, and a motor heat sink. Tower has the kit for 64 shipped so maybe I can pick it up some time soon and get to rallying. If I like it enough maybe ill convert my TG10 into a rally car =)

[microrcdude]

^^^ Cool! another rally fan! dont forget that you will also need a 200MM body

[chickenmobilin]

I recently picked up a TC3 from a friend of a friend , and the next day , saw the Rally Kit in my LHS. Well , I bought it , installed it , and right now and contiplating what electronics and motor I want to install. I also need a body for it , and I want to fabricate some shields to keep the debris out as much as possible.
Any recommendations on motor ?

[microrcdude]

for motors, try the P2K series. they have lots of tourque and rpm, which allow for better acceleration. RALLY ON!!

[LearjetMinako]

I would say go brushless, like the Novak SS 5800. This way dirt and debris isn't really a problem for the motor. Kinda wish I had one but I decided to go with a RC10GT FT, but its still not too late too change my mind. :p

Oh, by the way I finally got out of the touring for a while and went rallying for a while. By the end of the day. Every little thing inside the car was covered with dirt and dust. It was so thick that I couldn't read the labels or make out any of the bolts or parts. Took it home, air blasted, and now it looks all clean again. Gotta love compressed air. :D

[microrcdude]

cool. Sounds like u had fun

[chickenmobilin]

I will try those motors out! I have so many projects going , I need to slow down!!!
The Rally car is coming along , I am rebuilding my RC10GT , actually converting it to a sprint car!! :D I am also in the process of redoing a Clodbuster as well as taking care of my HPI Micro that I race every week and the 1/8 scale buggy I just bought! The wife thinks I have a problem :o

[LearjetMinako]

Its alright to have a problem with r/c cars. Only the ones that are in it, turely understand the r/c way of life. I'm getting my TC3 ready for dirt oval racing. And I also should recieve a RC10GT FT by friday (hopefully, if shipping is good about order and they don't take their time). :p

[chickenmobilin]

I failed to mention my other projects! :rolleyes:
I love to buy Vintage R/c's (such as Tamiya , Kyosho,etc.) , and love the challange finding the parts to make them function agian.I love wrenching sometimes more than running my stuff , but hey , noone claimed I was normal. :eek:

[microrcdude]

^^^ That must be real fun! wish i had the money to do that!

[Techno]

Hi all im new to electric I have spent a few frantic days pouring over all this info that I can glean from the forums to decide what to do well I have a tc3 tried it out to try it out and hoped to rally it decided that I wanted more speed and then decided to get the alloy shocks I found a used one with some spare parts so now I have2 hehe.... still don’t know how much I am going to have to buy to get the used one up and running its been apart for a while so looks like I’ll be a while piecing it back together
So now I have the rally kit, Novak ss5800, the alloy shock set and a Subaru body on the way on the way
Now I need to look at the HPI rally shocks
Also im planning on sharing the 5800 between the 2 and keep the stock just for racing indoors

One question though is it possible to change the gearing on it and put even larger tires on the rally kit to get some more ground clearance like some small mashers like for stadium trucks?

[LearjetMinako]

I tried something like that. Putting stadium tires on. It does work, but the tires rub on the side of the chassis and steering is very limited. Maybe a set of tires meant for a buggy might work, since they are a little bit smaller than truck tires but also bigger than touring tires. I did like how the TC3 was able to crawl over almost anything, including pillows and blankets. If you do go with bigger tires, gear down to a 18 or even a 16(if possible) tooth pinion. I geared mine down to 18t. I might just have to try it out too, since I'm putting a truck body on it for a dirt oval racing.

[T3GT]

:) Still here...

[LearjetMinako]

I'm still here too. Been awhile since the last post. Still drifting and drifting through the board too. My TC3 is still set on rally and probably will be that way for little longer.

Where are the rally drivers???

:cool:

[GT Freak]

could i rally with my tc3 if i just put on the different tires :confused: has anyone done/tried this??

what type of tires do they use, and can they be bought seperately :confused:

[LearjetMinako]

Yes it is possiable. Its actually what most guys down at the track do to race the dirt oval. But if you think about it. A set of tires may run up to $50 + tax. For about $15 dollors more, you get the set of tires w/ rims and inserts plus a suspension tune-up to help the TC3 perform better. One the reason why I did the rally conversion instead of just buying tires & rims. As for what tire will fit. Any touring 1/10 scale should fit. HPI sells some off-road ones that will work. The ones that are included in the conversion are from Pro-line.

[cpoore]

Hey everyone, I have been reading up on the TC3 Rally conversion lately and was wondering what motors most people are using in there TC3's with their rally conversion. The reason I ask is that I am planning on buying a TC3 Racer in addition to the Rally Conversion and wasn't sure how other's were setting up their cars. I am mainly buying the rally conversion so I can run my car on rough pavement if needed. The motor issue is the only thing that I don't completely understand as far as winds/turns......etc...... if someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Any feedback would be wonderful, with me being new and all to the RC Car scene.

Thanks in advance!

[LearjetMinako]

On my TC3, I'll use anything from a D5 to ROAR stock motor (P2K2, Monster, Epic). Right now, I got my TC3 w/ rally kit, set to race on uneven road course. It works great.

As for the motor wind/turn bit. Heres what I've gathered. The "turn"s is the number the wire is wrapped around one pole of the armature. The higher the number, the lower the rpm, higher torque, and less amp draw for longer run times. The lower the number, the higher the rpm's, less low-end torque, and higher amp draws (not as long runtimes compared to a stock motor). The "wind"s refer to the number of wires being used to wrap around each pole. Single, double, triple, quads, and even 5 wires can be used. This affects where the power will lay in the powerband. The singles produce the most torque, but only on the lower end of the rpm's. Making it good for tight tracks. While the quads have the power on the higher end of the rpm band. Making them good for wide open racing, like oval racing.

Also for a motor to run good, an apporite ESC is required w/ a good set of batteries. If you decided to go w/ a low turn motor, like a 10turn. Then a ESC that is capable of handling a 10turn is required, its best to get one that will even go lower than the motor to have it perform better. And also a high capacity battery is best to keep runtimes up, but also to help keep the battery cooler.

Sorry if I scared you with all this motor tech. It will come to you w/ time.

One last tip, ESC (Electronic Speed Control) are usually rated by the number of turns on the motor that they can handle

[microrcdude]

sometimes it's good to run an esc with no motor limit. Then, you know any motor is capable for your car.

[always_opencarb]

hey i have a tc3 and i run street i want to get a rally kit iam thinking of a surbaru body with it i have a qustion do i need to buy new tires for the rally if so what do you recomend?

[always_opencarb]

oh i forgot have any of you blueprinted your tc3 dirve train?

[cpoore]

If you puchase the Associated TC3 rally conversion kit, it comes with wheels and tires.....so you'd be all set.

[TopKatz]

Well its all hooked up now!

http://img52.exs.cx/img52/6621/tc3scooby.th.jpg (http://img52.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img52&image=tc3scooby.jpg)

http://img52.exs.cx/img52/8100/tc3scooby2.th.jpg (http://img52.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img52&image=tc3scooby2.jpg)

clickable thumbs :D

I ended up with a TI 13 dbl, Quantum pro reverse with a 24t pinion and a HI-TEC 625-mg for equipment. It goes real good with a 3000mh pack. Im running it on the HPI 26mm Pirelli tires and 98 subaru sti wrc body.

[microrcdude]

VERY nice! How are those tires? Im in need of new tires for my rally.

[TopKatz]

They are working sick on asphault, and concreat. I dont know how they are on dirt yet, but they handel road dirt/dust well. The sort of stuff that slicks would fail on.

Im used to running nitro's and having to rotate and replace tires often, so this is so nice!

Im think Im going to get a stock motor for it though. Im thinking about the monster horspower. Any thoughts?

[microrcdude]

monster horsepower? Ive heard of people running the P2K series motors. Thats what i would go with.

[dub-c]

I might be getting the rally conv kit soon. Are the wheels 24mm or 26mm? Thanks. I also plan on getting the FT Ti Turnbuckles and screw kit, then maybe the FT shocks, gotta have that blue!

[TopKatz]

You might want to price out the parts individualy then. You can get the FT ti rally turnbuckles and drive shafts, instead of using the kits stock composit and steel parts. Not only this, but my rally kit came with gumby wheels, not the rally style ones.

In any event, once you start replacing stuff in the rally kit it makes no sense to get it as it is only the a-arms, turn buckles, drive shafts, shock shafts, springs, and the wheels.

[dub-c]

I want the rally kit so I can lift the car a little so I will be able to run it on the street w/out having to preload the shocks a ton.

EDIT: ok I looked throuhg and TopKatz you are probably right to price it out. It will probably be cheaper to get the FT 200mm conv kit, FT shocks, and FT screw kit. The only thing then to get the car lifted a little would be the longer .56 shock shafts and possibly new springs. Doing it this way would alleviate the need to buy the FT turnbuckles seperately. Oh and a new bumper if I would need it.


$141.82 seperately
$157.92 w/the rally kit

[dub-c]

For the TC3 Rally you want to use the buggy front springs: That what my RC10DS uses, and it has the same shocks at the TC3 (The TC has shorter shafts, and the rally kit includes the longer ones to give them .56" stroke).


Where can you get these springs? I have looked on Tower, but only found the truck & buggy front springs. What's the rc10DS anyway? I saw the b4 has 1.30" front springs. That's too big for the .56" shafts isn't it? maybe it isn't???? since the added length that the shock body will contribute.

[TopKatz]

Im fairly certaint they are the FT buggy springs, green for the front and silver for the back.

[dub-c]

So I could get this and have some tuning options.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBVF9&P=0

I could find the silver ones, but not the green ones. The only green ones I could find on Tower were the T3 front springs which are 2.25"

[TopKatz]

Those are the ones I was looking at. if I had it to do over I would just get:

FT TI rally turnbuckles
FT 200mm rally dog bones
Rally A-arms front/rear
Shock shafts
HPI Pirelli D compound tires and wheel of your choise

I have been using it out in front of my house mostly. I run a Reedy TI 13 dbl with a 24t and a P2k2 pro with a 27t. I put the wire type swaybars in the front and rear because It is mostly on road. It eats up the weather beaten street with no problems. Traverses up and down drive ways with ease. It can take jumps over man holes and off the curb (its a little ruff).

I have broken a c-hub and an out drive from whacking it off a wall, and a curb stone at high speed. For the most part though its fairly resilient, it has walked away from most licks.

[LearjetMinako]

Yaaa, I'm back. I've been out of the R/C biz for a long while. Been working a lot lately. And also kinda of lost my R/C passion. Well, after watching WRC in Japan on the SpeedChannel. My passion has come back to me. So now I'm getting my TC3 back up to run specs w/ the rally kit on it. And since I also have a little play money too. I just might drop by the LHS tomorrow and pick up a Novak SS5800 system. :D . And a couple of other things that I also wanted to update.

Glad to be back and hopefully drifting by tomorrow. :p

[microrcdude]

LOL. welcome back man! are you gonna update the body as well?

[LearjetMinako]

hmm, thats a thought too. If going rallying, then a Surbra body would be better fitted than a Skyline. That is one thing that I always loved, customization of your cars. No two cars are really alike. :D

[LearjetMinako]

Got the Novak SS5800, and let me say on thing, "YAHHOOO". I have never seen my TC3 take-off so dang quick. The torque is awasome. I can do dounts w/ the blimp of the throttle. Tires sqeeling, drifting side-ways, wicked speeds. I knew the benefits of brushless, but this really takes the cake. Now for the rally part. Here dirt, dirt, dirt. :D

Had to upgrade a few things, Dean's plugs on the Novak ESC, Steel front outdrives, and a cooling fin for the motor. Since the motor is sealed, gotta find a way to disapate the heat.

[LearjetMinako]

Been having fun w/ the TC3 rally for a while now. But it seems that I can't get through one battery pack w/o having something go. Last problem surprized me. Went a little too much sideways and ran up the curb. Well nothing really broke, excpet a steel ball stud. Out of all the plastic steering compents, a ball stud brakes. Go figure. But since I didn't like the rack steering system for rallying, because of all the little rocks that find their way in. I upgrade to a bellcrank that was for a NTC3. Of course, since this was a first for me, I did make a few mistakes, but I got the process down. 6 hours later, I'm done w/ the prototype (test version). Worked pretty dang good. I lost a little turn radius, but it makes that up for better high speed performance. It tracks straight and true w/ out the twitchness that the old system had. Road test, performaned almost race ready. Still need to test dirt and durablity against jumps, bumps, scuffs, and crashes.

I know this ain't new, and some guys/gals already probably did this. But it was the first time for me to really take my dermel tool to the chassis. :eek:

[TopKatz]

Is there a link to the NTC3 rack upgrade some place?

[LearjetMinako]

There was a guy, now that I remember, who did the same thing as I did. He also provide pics and instrustion for it. But I didn't follow those instrustion. Couldn't find them if I did. I basicly winged it and took measurements. Dermel all those little surports in the front, drilled two holes, and find a couple of other parts to help make the Bellcrank fit snug. It works. I'll try to get pics of it finished posted soon. I might also mod another chassis, this time w/o the mistakes, to better desgin of it.

[T3GT]

I like that idea LearjetMinako, I also don't care for the dirt getting in the steering rack, I cover mine, but I'd rather have a bellcrank instead. Post some pics and/or info on this mod. Oh, and don't ya just love that brushless :p

[LearjetMinako]

Ya, that Novak SS5800 is really something. I finally got to see the runtimes. On a GP3300 pack, I got 22mins of runtime :eek: . That was awasome and insane. Its to the point that I can charge a pack and run a pack. And when the car pack is dead, the pack charging is almost done. Almost contunious driving. As for the bellcrank conversion. Very nice. It handles well and takes the abuse. Haven't tried it on dirt yet, but little rocks did find their way in and it didn't jam like the rack would. I'll try to pics up soon. Tonight maybe. :D

[TigeRyan]

Here is the site I used to get all the details of the rack to swing conversion for the TC3 steering system...

http://www.mistercrash.ca/_themes/page_mod_steering_tc3.htm

The guy gives great details on how to do it...one thing I will note...if you have or know someone who has a Nitro TC3 get there chassis and make a pattern out of it and use the diff case holes to match up where to drill your new holes for the steering posts....oh and you dont have alot of margin for error....Measure twice, dremel once :) :cool:

[LearjetMinako]

Dang, I did the conversion w/o any instructions. I winged though it. But comparing the two. Its the same conversion and where to place the two screws were also the same. I planning on buying a second chassis to make a improved version (accidently drilled too big of a hole and exopied a shock plastic screw into place to make up for it). Well here are the pics.

[LearjetMinako]

Second pic, inside the car. Very tight fit, but still had room. There is about .5-1.5mm of space between the servo saver screw and the front diff input yoke.

[LearjetMinako]

Novak SS5800 System. Very nice to have. :D

[microrcdude]

WOW! Thats one nice rally! What servo are you using?

[LearjetMinako]

I'm using a JR Z270 servo. Its good enough for the job. I set the servo saver to be weak so that if the car goes end over end. It shouldn't put too much force back onto the servo. Not only that, replacment gears are cheap. Replaced the gears for the servo probably about 12 times now (most playing rough w/ the touring compentition.). I'm planning on going to a dirt site (construction, dirt road, gravel road, etc) and having some real fun. I already tore apart my slicks for ashaplt. :D

[microrcdude]

nice! is that servo worth the money?

[T3GT]

Thanks for the info LearjetMinako....Your rally looks Killer... ;)

TigeRyan--thanks for that link....it'll help out A LOT when I get the chance to do the conversion... :D

[LearjetMinako]

The servo is mostly for the budget minded. It does its job and nothing really more. It has nylon gears, so they can break. When I had this servo in my T3, it took more abuse than any other servo can handle. I smashed it, rolled it, and still kept going. In a race, a tooth broke on one of the gears, but it kept on going. There is definitely better. I'm a JR guy, so thats the radio equipment that I stay w/. Try a Z590m or Z650m, lots of torque w/ those. The Z270 only has about 40oz/in. While the Z590m has about 79oz/in.

Went to the lake to find a nice rallying place. I did and let the fun begin. I also took a lot of snap shots of the car in action. I got a few really good ones. The best one is where the car is on one wheel, kicking up dirt. I'll be posting a few here shortly.

[microrcdude]

darn. So, do they make a metal geared version?

[LearjetMinako]

Ya, they do. Usually a JR servo w/ a "m" like "Z590m", while be metaled geared. JR did make a servo w/ trendmendous amount of torque (129oz/in), nice speed (around .11-.16 sec @ 60*) at a price of around $50-60bucks w/ metal gears. It was in a Car Action mag..

Got the shots up. Out of 275, I picked the best 5. Enjoy. :D

[LearjetMinako]

Shot number two

[LearjetMinako]

Shot number three

[LearjetMinako]

Shot number four

[LearjetMinako]

Last but not least, the fifth shot, the one-wheeling rallyer. :D

Driving the TC3 rally was a blast. In the end, the car was covered from front to back in red dust. I should have posted one more shot were it showed the whole place where I was driving. The air filled w/ dust, so much, the TC3 is barely visable. :D

[TigeRyan]

Not a problem at all...Was looking at the pics for the TC4, that thing SCREAMS rally conversion.... :)

[TopKatz]

IM sure they will have a tc3 to tc4 conversion kit for 89.99 msrp ;)

[dub-c]

nice pics learjet, tc3 rally gettin' after it :D


EDIT:
Will there be a kit to convert from TC3 to TC4?
No.

Are you planning on a rally conversion?
No.

from:

http://rc10.com/shusting/CatalogHub/kitspecs_tc4/kittc4.htm

[TopKatz]

The rally conversion kit is over blown anyways. The rusult is nice, but the kit it self is not all that impresive.

As long as there is a 200mm conversion then we can do it our selves.

[microrcdude]

lol. just looked in my car, and i realized i have the metl gear version! DOH!

[LearjetMinako]

tap, tap, bump

Just checking in, haven't been on the board for a very long time. Got a job, been going to work. It seems thats all do now, but I do find r/c time in between.

And just a little update, my TC3 had a date w/ the curb and curb put the smack down on it. So my TC3 is out of action for a while.

[microrcdude]

OUCH! WAY TO GO SMARTY!!! just messing.

[dub-c]

Whew it's a party in here! I haven't been rc'n in awhile. I, like you, Learjet got a job and haven't had much time lately. I'm trying to get a bunch of rally stuff for xmas so hopefully I'll have my TC3 rallying no time.

[microrcdude]

I must say that the TC3 rally is more fun than the HPI rally. And for some reason, it handles more relisticly than a HPI rally. So when my TC3 comes in, it goes to rally mode.

[dub-c]

What's on your guys X-mas list? Mine is full of TC3 Rally stuff. (Sorry it's newb-ified for my mom, lol)



RC10 TC3 Rally Conversion Kit
200mm Rally body
Rally Tires (4 of them, they come in pairs of 2)
7.2 V, 3600 Mah Ni-MH Battery (select Install Deans Plug in the Install Connector box)
RC10 TC3 Factory Team Blue Aluminum 200mm CVDs (4 of them, they come in pairs of 2)
RC10 TC3 Factory Team Shock Kit
RC10 TC3 Factory Team Screw Kit
RC10 TC3 Factory Team Aluminum motor heat sink (short)
RC10 TC3 front one-way differential
Reedy Spec 19 motor

[microrcdude]

Mine is simple: ANYTHING RC!

[LearjetMinako]

Mine would be GP3300 packs and a Comp. charger. Maybe a few electronics upgrade (servos, get 2 more JR systh. recievers). But pretty much, w/ my B4 FT, GT FT, TC3 racer-rally, and HPI NMT. I'm pretty much set. Maybe the new AE RC18T w/ the Mamba system. :D . Right now, its shocks for my Ranger, little gifts for the family, and a raw-bone bigger than the dog (Shi-zsu, can't really spell it but I think you get it).

Haven't been rallying really much. Repaired the TC3 after the hit into the curb. The B4 is what I'll be racing in spring once race season starts again. A little FYI, my LHS track banned the TC3 Rally from being used in the open class and now has a class of its own. Problem is, its dirt oval only. TC3 Rally out did itself and proved its too tuff to beat against everything else.

[EvaderRacer76]

rallying looks pretty darn fun, i'm gonna have to try it wiht my TC4 when it gets here... has anyone tried making a TC4 rally yet?

[perez1410]

rallying looks pretty darn fun, i'm gonna have to try it wiht my TC4 when it gets here... has anyone tried making a TC4 rally yet?


It should not be hard at all, but I am going to convert an extra TC3 chassis that I have into a rally. I want to the rally out. I will use B4 front buggy shocks, custom A arms and custom CVD's. I will be using a different steering system from the steering rack. I will be using bellcranks. Once complete i will post some pictures. I believe it is a straight forward project.


If the bellcranks work out, I will let you know how to make the conversion. I am sure most of you do not like the steering rack for rally application due to rocks getting stock inside.

Carlos

[LearjetMinako]

Good luck on the custom rally conversion. For the TC3 Rally, its a whole lot of fun. And the steering rack is dead end for rallying apps. and the NTC3 bellcrank works great for rallying. I've already done the bellcrank conversion. Well worth the time and effort. :cool:

[TigeRyan]

The Nitro TC3 steering conversion is cake if you know someone with a Nitro TC3 simple mate up the holes for the diff case between the two chassis and drill the pilot holes for the steering rack and then take a dremel to remove the necessary material to allow free movement. Took about an hour to do mine....The TC3 Rally with the NTC3 steering is a very capable rally car...I normally run a Losi Rally Weapon but with parts getting very hard to come by for that car I did the TC3 Rally thing....

Here are some pictures from a special rally event we ran last weekend...
7 stages with 2 drops....

http://www.sixfoottiger.com/admin/index.cfm?fuseaction=admin.party_pix_view&partyid=87

Forum to read about it here

http://www.sixfoottiger.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1328&start=75

Later!

[perez1410]

Good luck on the custom rally conversion. For the TC3 Rally, its a whole lot of fun. And the steering rack is dead end for rallying apps. and the NTC3 bellcrank works great for rallying. I've already done the bellcrank conversion. Well worth the time and effort. :cool:

The bellcrank conversion I am talking about does not need to use the nitro Tc3 one. It is a different one that does not require to drill any new holes on the chassis. I will let you know how it goes.

[dub-c]

Yeah, let us know how it goes. I am interested in converting to a bellcrank, but don't want to drill holes in the chassis.

[dub-c]

sorry for the dp,


I picked up the 200mm conversion kit today; gonna install it later. :D I'm just ordered from tower the 0.56 shock shafts, the buggy spring set, subaru WRC body, hpi pirelli D compound tires, hpi ss wheels, rear shock tower, and the FT screw kit for good measure. Unfortunately I won't be able to install it for awhile since I'll be out of town. Oh well, I'm sure it will be snowy and wet here; not the conditions I initially want to use it in, maybe later though.

[Southern_Pride]

Im gonna try to rally the TC4 also. Got me some HPI snr rally tires and wheels. I'll take out the droop screws and see how she does. But first i need a motor and radio.

[T3GT]

Hey Carlos....You gonna try to use some of the parts from the TC3-O?...cause I thought of that before but never tried anything yet. The Bell-crank will be a must, and the B4 shocks will work better than the TC3 shocks......but how are you trying to make the arms longer?...by slimming out the chassis in the center?...cause it wouldn't be too kool to exceed 200mm.

:D

[perez1410]

Hey Carlos....You gonna try to use some of the parts from the TC3-O?...cause I thought of that before but never tried anything yet. The Bell-crank will be a must, and the B4 shocks will work better than the TC3 shocks......but how are you trying to make the arms longer?...by slimming out the chassis in the center?...cause it wouldn't be too kool to exceed 200mm.

:D

It looks like you have an idea of where I was going with the steering system. The arms will be new machined Delrin a-arms. Same with the CVD bones either aluminum or steel. I will be using the TC3"O" V2 parts including the new carbon fiber chassis/steering brace. I am waiting for some parts to come in. In the mean time we are working real hard on finishing the manual and production batch of the TC3"O" V2 before the launch date.

I will keep you posted.

Carlos

[T3GT]

Sounds good.....maybe you can work in a slipper clutch too....I was looking at my friends TC3-O, and like how yall designed it. That started me and him thinking about how the Rally could be better, cause we were the ones that started the Rally Class at our local track a while back.

The TC3 Rally did excellent on the regular off-road tract layouts, and actually beat all of our local track's stock classes, with slightly alternative driving lines, but it would be killer if the Rally can handle the rough stuff better so it can keep up with Mod Classes. The only thing that beat our TC3 Rally's speed was the 8th scale buggies (and 4WD Mod electric buggies...if they had any to run). The rough stuff slowed us down enough for the stock class to catch up and sometimes pass us, but the Rally's speed in the smooth parts and the straights took the position right back:) With better handling, the Rally could be one of the fastest classes under the 4WDs

Good Luck with the improvements, I'll be looking for your posts:)

[TigeRyan]

If you dont mind me asking, whose bellcrank will you be using for the conversion then??

[perez1410]

If you dont mind me asking, whose bellcrank will you be using for the conversion then??

It will be a modified B3 bellcrank system, with custom posts for support, a custom tie bar link and a custom chassis brace. I got all these parts right now. Need to fit them and see how it works. Hey if they do, we may offer these as an upgrade to the rally kit...

more to follow.

[microrcdude]

I like how efficient the B3's steering is. Its real smooth, and much better than the stock TC3 steering, so i cant wait till ya post pics of your rally!

[w0mbat]

Hi All, Happy new year.

First post, hope you can all give me some advice.

I have an opertunity to buy a used stock basic TC3.
As racing is not my thing, I would be looking at doing a rally mod on it straight away so as to take it playing off-road <> short-grass

Questions are:
Is it worth moding the TC3 to make it into what I would it to be, or just go buy something cheaper to beat up?
What is a used basic TC3 worth? (no ESC-stock motor-no bearings).

Thanks :)

--Steve


My

[microrcdude]

A used TC3(depending on the condition) is around $50-$75. But how tall is the grass? if its over 1", consider getting a T4 or B4 instead.

[w0mbat]

By grass I guess I mean lawn......like in a park for of thing....

[microrcdude]

??? *confused* can you state that clearer plz? Thanks.

[w0mbat]

Sorry, too make clearer.
The sort of places I would be wanting to use a car would be on is roads, dirt, and what we call grass (lawn, turf)
The TC3 as is is can only handle the road.
I would be hoping that a rally kit would make it able to easily run on the dirt and the grass.

Thanks

[microrcdude]

It will make it easer to run on dirt, but it may put too much stress on the drivetrain to run it in grass.

[dub-c]

What shock wt is everyone running in their TC3 rally? I see the conv kit comes with 25wt oil. Is that optimal?

[Aluma]

try the tamiya gravel hound wheels(2.2 inch diameter front only though for tc3 front and rears) with some proline front holeshot tires on all four...the wheels fit touring hubs, and the extra height should help you guys through the rough stuff....not to mention the grip those tires should give you... :D

disclaimer...never actually tried it, but I dont have a tc3 rally to try the wheels onto...

[dub-c]

What shock wt is everyone running in their TC3 rally? I see the conv kit comes with 25wt oil. Is that optimal?


Anyone have any suggestions? Should I just use 25wt?

[microrcdude]

I use 35 to 40wt. 25 is just too soft for a rally car.

[dub-c]

Thanks :)

[dub-c]

What droop numbers are you guys using for the F and R? Are you even using the set screws at all?

[dub-c]

Anyone still rallying.....anyone?

[T3GT]

Yeah....I'll always Rally...but right now I'm in DRIFT MODE!!!

:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/TC3RallyDrifter/GTRWallpaper.jpg

Here are some more pics...

http://photobucket.com/albums/v622/TC3RallyDrifter/

[LearjetMinako]

Currently, my TC3 is sleeping. Its been too cold and wet for any drifting or rallying. Now if there was snow or ice, it would be a different story. Race season starts in April, gotta get ready. :D

[dub-c]

Yeah....I'll always Rally...but right now I'm in DRIFT MODE!!!

:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/TC3RallyDrifter/GTRWallpaper.jpg

Here are some more pics...

http://photobucket.com/albums/v622/TC3RallyDrifter/


Nice pics! Is that the HPI R34 body? I have that one, but your paint job owns mine. I have some drift tires (PVC), but haven't had them on lately.


I haven't been rallying too much since it has also been wet and I've been on the road forever it seems like. Oh well gotta make $, and then probably blow it on RC. :D

[LearjetMinako]

Ya, its a HPI R34. It was my 3rd ever paint job. I was trying to paint it like the Pennzoil GT-R car but it didn't quite come out that way. It makes a great drifting body but not a rally body. After one too many pratices and racing. The body now has duct tape to hold it together.

[perez1410]

For those of you out there with the rally TC3, would you be interested in a slipper system for the car? If so, please let me know.

[GTR Brian]

Does anyone know if the TC3 ralley front bumper will fit an NTC3, or if it could be modified to fit if not? I'm playing with the idea of setting up my NTC3 for rally on occation. thx :)

[dub-c]

Not sure GTR Brian, I haven't ran a NTC3 before.


Perez, do you mean a slipper like a 2wd buggy's slipper clutch? I think that would be very beneficial to rallying, but by the looks of this thread, the winter weather, and the tc4 coming out I don't see too much demand for it, unfortunately.


I'm thinking of putting an Epic 6x1 in my tc3 rally, lol, either that or an Orion Revolution 6x2. Which would be better? I have a lrp F1 with no motor limit and will probably get a Fusion 3300 or greater NiMH battery, with all the 3600 craziness and so on that keeps coming out maybe I'll get something with more mAh.

[perez1410]

Yes, I meant slipper system just like the 2wd buggies do. I got a system that is a straight fit into the car. It needs a couple of chassis modifications and it will replace the direct drive shaft system to a slipper system. We are currently using it in the TC3"O" V2 4WD buggy. It works great.

I will be running mine with a V2 10x2 motor.

Carlos

[RacerR]

Perez - If you know of a slipper that will fit into a (pretty much) stock TC3 Rally conversion - please provide a link or some info. I'm putting my TC3 Rally together now - and would like to install one during the build. Thanks.

[RacerR]

For a TC3 Rally Conv., are there better shocks to use than the stock TC3 shocks with extended shafts? I would think that Buggy front shocks would work, and possibly provide more gound clearance.

If anyone has any experience with this, please post a reply.

Thanks

-R

[KHaus41369]

Hey Perez1410??? i would be very interested in this slipper clutch Idea im in the process now of converting one TC3 to a rally car with the rally conv kit Im also in the process of doing my own 4wd buggy/truck conversion for the TC3 making my own parts out of aluminum and exsisting associated parts i have on hand also to anyone im new to this forum site today so these bell crank conversions id love to hear more about and does anyone know much about the old Trinity gas conversion for the tc3 before the NTC3 came out I have one thinkin that might be a hell of a fun rally/truck conversion also oh yeah and tires/rims to those want alil more ground cleance and fun ?? try and find the rims and tires to the tamiya F-150 or S-10 trucks they look like BF goodrich all terrian T/A's its kinda fun to run them

[RacerR]

Hey Khaus - I think we may be the only ones here now, I haven't seen any other posts on this forum lately. I'm currenlty doing the TC3 Rally conversion as well - I've actually looked at a lot of the kits that are available for buggy conversions too. Here are a couple of links to some of the buggy conversion sites I've seen...

http://www.jconcepts.net/

http://www.rcproductdesigns.com/

http://www.rc10.de/

All of these sites will probably have some of the info you are looking for... the RCProductDesigns link is the company, I think, Perez works for.

Hey, let me know if you have any shock suggestions for the rally conversion - I don't know if the Touring Car shocks with extended shafts is the best way to go....

L8r - good luck with the conversion.

[RacerR]

Hey - I got another question that someone might be able to answer... Will the HPI "Super" size (26mm) rally tires fit on a TC3 Rally conversion?

They would provide a little more ground clearance, and let the car get around on rougher terrain.

If anyone has any experience with this, please post a reply.

Thanks

-R

[LearjetMinako]

The rally conversion kit comes with 26mm tires and rims. The HPI super rims are 35mm. I know 26mm tires will work. 35mm might have some clearance issues.

Its been a long time. TC3 rally has been racing alot. And finally the day has come for it. It needed a long list of parts and new bearings. By the time I added everything up. I could buy TC3 FT. So, I'm cutting the losses and getting a TC4 Team w/ some pefered upgrades to go rally with.

[RacerR]

That's cool, thanks for the info.

I thought about getting a TC4 and doing the conversion - but there are too many good deals on TC3s on eBay right now.... It's very cost effective to do a TC3 rally conversion right now, and the resulting car should be pretty fun.

I was thinking about using the 0.71" Gold associated shocks on the rally car - they are a bit longer than the stock TC3 shocks.

If anyone has any info on trying these shocks - let me know (hopefully before I drop the cash to find out if they work).

Thanks

-R

[microrcdude]

They would work fine. We put some on my cousins car, much better handling due to the longer shock stroke

[RacerR]

Thanks - I've ordered the .71 shocks (they should be here today).

Another TC3 Rally question - It looks like shaving or grinding either the chassis or suspension arms would allow for more ground clearance. I'm not entirely sure this is a good idea however - cause shaving the chassis could result in a "flexy" chassis, and shaving the sus arms could result in a weakened arm.

If anyone has any expierience with this type of mod please post a reply.

Thanks

-R

[KHaus41369]

well i got my rally kit assembled i went with the AE threaded shocks with the longer rods but i only used one of the white rings gave a bit more travel im using 40wt at first put a blue one way diff in the front and using a 15 turn double stock tires im gonna go beat the hell out of it in bout 20 mins see what needs to be changed as for the chassis you can take away some of it w/o hurting the chassis that one company perez works for modifies them for their buggy conversion ill have to modify mine when i finish my a-arm design for my own conversion

[LearjetMinako]

Be worry about the one-way diff. I used the NTC3 one-way diff, and yes, it makes a world of difference in handling and turning grip. But the compsite cvd axle aren't up to the task of taking too much abuse from it. For gravel and dirt it fine. But if race, be very careful not to smack the wall while on throttle. They snap like tiwgs. I don't know if you noticed or didn't have this problem yet. When I was using the one-way diff. I had to use 190mm cvd axles in the front and 200mm in the rear.

[microrcdude]

Not too sure if AE makes gear diffs for the TC3, but if they do, Gear diffs are the best diffs for rallying.

[KHaus41369]

i have the one way for the electric in the front diff car handles great quick its great on dirt gravel somegrass if the speed it up but it dont like a gravel road with large stones my god its all over the place

[microrcdude]

the advantages with gear diffs are much greater than other diffs:

-Less maintinence
-Can easily be locked and unlocked
-More durable then any ball diff
-Doesnt require new balls every 30 runs.

[rhesus4]

I think I remember reading somewhere right after OFNA's LD3 came out, that their gear diffs might fit the TC3.
Anyone know if this is true?

[trickedoutGT]

Going to get my rally conversion on Tuesday. Can't wait.

This is going to be my second TC3 rally (had to sell it for money reasons). :(

[GT Freak]

is the rally kit still out :confused: if so, where can i get it at??

[microrcdude]

Did you try tower? They usually have it in stock.

[RacerR]

Yup - Tower Hobbies sells the TC3 Rally conversion kit.

I'm still waiting for a few parts deliveries before I put mine together - I should have it going in about a week or two. I'll see what I can do about posting pics when I get it together.

-R

[s2bs2]

Good to see there are some recent posts!

I just finished my tc3 conversion, and upon the first bashing I thought for sure I'd broken the steering, but it was lots of rocks.

does any one know where to get the .pdf that used to be on associated's site that had the template for the steering rack cover?

Thanks.
s2

[trickedoutGT]

Anyone here have a TC3 Rally with the HPI Subaru WRC 2001 body? I have trouble with the body since I can't get enough body clearance for the rear. The front is fine. Just the rear that needs work. I followed the instructions as well (flip over the body posts to the other side of the tower).

[s2bs2]

Anyone here have a TC3 Rally with the HPI Subaru WRC 2001 body? I have trouble with the body since I can't get enough body clearance for the rear. The front is fine. Just the rear that needs work. I followed the instructions as well (flip over the body posts to the other side of the tower).

I have that, and it works great, but it is at the top hole. have they been cut?
I also moved the rear wheels forward to fit the body better.

[s2bs2]

does any one know where to get the .pdf that used to be on associated's site that had the template for the steering rack cover?

Don Natale, from AE emailed me the link:
http://download.teamassociated.com/pdf/tc3_rack_cover.PDF

[thewarrenator]

does anyone have a video of there tc3 rally? i checked rc pics but they dint seem to have any. im about to get a tc3, then change it to rally and wanted to see song footage.

[rsclio]

I'm interested in a rally car too and am thinking of a TC3 and converting. It seems I am too late as rally RC cars seemed to have died out in the last couple of years.
I'm thinking
TB01 rally
TC3 + rally
HPI sprint rally
I'm leaning to TC3 because there are heaps of hop ups and while they are not the latest they are not discontinued (yet)
Any thoughts??
Cheers
Mike

[TopKatz]

The TC3 rally car is a nice car, however it is not the most durable rally out there. I think the tamiya tb01 and 02 chassies are a little tuffer, and better desighned for rally use. This is not to say taht with some minnor mods that th eTC3 cant be made tighter. I use an HPI inner body set on mine to help keep th edirt and debris out of the chasie of mine.

The TC3 rally is what it is, its a touring car with longer shocks basicaly. For what I use it for it works. I mainly run in front of my house, up and down the street, in and out of driveways, and sidwalks. The only time I have parts isues is when I hit a wall, and I dont care what car you have then, parts will brake.

Im currently running HPI's new 190mm WRC impreza 04 on it.... so slick!

[s2bs2]

I've done some mods to keep the dirt and debris out, but still, the steering is often effected by little rocks and stuff, I've done the lexan cover, etc.
can you post a pic of your hpi inner body conversion?
Thanks.

[P90Puma]

Just bought the rolling chassis with rally conversion NIB, gonna head out to LHS, buy me a motor and some batteries. Gonna use the rest of the RC gear from around the house!

[s2bs2]

nice! have fun.
make sure you do the steering rack mod. it's not bullet-proof, but it'll help.

[P90Puma]

Need to do some dremeling soon, to have more ground clearance. Gonna take out the bit that the turnbuckle hits when too low, and maybe the part that the A-arms rest on but not sure yet. Will give me more clearance but then the only way i can raise it and lower it would be using shock compression and so on.

[s2bs2]

Need to do some dremeling soon, to have more ground clearance...

were you having problems?

[P90Puma]

I havent assembled all the parts yet, just test fitting. But with the clearance i want to run the turnbuckels bind on the chassis. Still not sure on taking out the bits that the a-arms rest on. Not gonna touch that till its all ready to go, and i have a few runs under my belt. But im gonna make some grooves for the steering turnbuckles shortly.

[chrisalter]

hey guys my names chris and im new here looking for vids/pics of tc3 rally car in action. want to do the conversion to mine if i can find a kit when i get back to the states. also any web sights for this stuff ben looking but havent had any luck. just bought the car used and if i have to buy the parts separately its going rallying

[s2bs2]

Hey CHris,
I don't know how to post pics here, or I would.
I bet you could get one from towerhobbies.com, that's where I got one.

[P90Puma]

Will post vids in 2-3 weeks. Just modded the chassis to allow steering when the car is at about 1cm of ground clearance. Good stuff.

[chrisalter]

hey thanks yeh i bought the tc3 for a drift car but i just cant stay on the road besides it likes being dirty beter. for a body im thinking about a celica or evo 4 every one has the WRX and i want some thing a little difrent :D

[s2bs2]

yeah, I'm a suby nut, so I've got a wrx, but there's some other good ones out there. It's a fun car no matter what.

[chrisalter]

that looks great any one know if they make the wrc toyota corolla i like that little car . I had a geo prizm and it is the same car as corolla the car wouldint die and think i might sell my 85 celica and buy a corolla if i can find out witch year that body stile is

[s2bs2]

I'd check out towerhobbies. com or rcmart. com.
I think there's a tamiya corolla or celica

[chrisalter]

hep found both of them dont no witch one i want any vids i want to see them in action stuck in the desert right know so the build will have to wait but i still want to see them in action

[microrcdude]

HPI has one, infact i own a corolla, it was made by HPI and tamiya i believe

[P90Puma]

What does the body matter when the car is in action.

[microrcdude]

like is there an advantage to using a different body? I believe theres some downforce issues, nothing you cant fix.

[discgolferlee]

I am putting together a website for Radio control rally racing nuts like myself. please stop by and visit our message board and say hello. the site is under construction but functioning.

http://www.rcrallyracing.4t.com/

[P90Puma]

Hopefully will have some videos to show tommarow. Finally the SuperRally is back on the road and tearing them up. Got some massive air today. Only damage was both the rear body posts as i slid into a parked car sideways. But i had a set of spares and 5min later back on the road.

[P90Puma]

Posted this also in the TC3 thread.

My TC3 Rally with the following (note the CF driveshaft and front CVD's i took off as i screwed up an axle and lost a cvd somewhere in the house and cant find it so right now it is RWD)

The dirty carpet shot
http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~jakubos/host/RC/resize1.jpg

My TC3 ("SuperRally") with my lil bro's TC3 that needs some electronics to get it up and running
http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~jakubos/host/RC/resize2.jpg

Desk shot.
http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~jakubos/host/RC/resize3.jpg

The ride height is now 17mm.
http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~jakubos/host/RC/resize4.jpg


Mods list.

200mm Rally Conversion
Dremeled Grooves for steering
FT Threaded shocks (40w oil)
Stainless steel screw kit
Aluminum chassis underplate that i still need to trim and mount somehow
17t Speed Gems 2
Duratrax Intellispeed 12t limit (with a blown reverse)
Futaba Based ofna 27mhz am radio (blown reciever looking for replacement)
Futaba 3003 Servo with CNC aluminum arm
2 2400mah Sanyo matched NiCD's
2 3300mah GP matched NiMh's
Few sets of tires ranging from rally all the way down to slicks and foams.

Few assorted FT parts that you can see that were taken from the other TC3. (FT Motor sink, Aluminum Hubs , etc.)

Gonna try to get some video up when i get a chance. It jumps amazingly for an onroad and nothing breaks on the jumps. (not huge MT style jumps just launching up gradual curbs and stuff) got like 10m distance once or twice.

Cant wait to get it back on the road when i find a new rx. Thinking of getting a JR XR2/3 i or XS3 depending on how the balance is.

[pigeonfarmboy]

Just wanted to let you guys know about a site my friend and myself launched that caters directly to Rally. If you're experienced post your setups and tips, if you're new come check out how to mod your car. We've also compiled a pretty good set of videos to watch so at least go watch those. http://www.drcrally.com
Enjoy!

[s2bs2]

looking for vids/pics of tc3 rally car in action. want to do the conversion to mine
Not the greatest vid (or driving;-), but some idea.

[Miedin]

Anybody still have one of these? I just picked up a cheap roller but I need some advice on the Motor and pinion. How many turns and teeth are good for this on the dirt?

[microrcdude]

Your best bet motor wise are tuned stock motors. pinion wise, run about a 25-26t pinion

[s2bs2]

I'm running a 17x2 with a 23 pinion, I can't remember the spur, but like always, it depends on the track the competition and the driver.

[Miedin]

TC3 inner shell! check it out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280067874808&rd=1&rd=1

[FocusWRC]

I just purchased one for my TC4 . It looks like it should work . I run dirt oval with my TC4 .

[rc10mike]

I just picked up a New FT TC3. I plan on doing the 200mm conversion because it has the Alu. Cvds and Ti turnbuckles. Ill get the rally bumper and shock shafts seperatly.

Whats a good size pinion to use with the LRP 3 Star Brushless? I have the stock 72th spur. W

Where can I get some of that Factory Team chassis protective film stuff?

Whats the best spring/oil comb. front and rear for rallying?

[s2bs2]

the rally kit comes with some springs and 25 wt oil.
#8232 Buggy Front Racing Spring Black 3.2 LB
#6494 Buggy Front Racing Spring Green 3.5 LB
green up front, black in rear

[mnster]

That dust sheild looks awesome any idea of where to get one?

Just getting into this, just ordered.

Subaru WRX body
Castle creations brushless
A used roller with the rally kit installed
HPI rally tires

That link for the steering shield got deleted.

[Miedin]

This guy here carries those inner shells. If he doesn't have any just email him I think he can get some more.
https://american-rc.com/shoppe/index.php

Here is the new link to the Steering rack cover.
http://aedownloads.com/pdf/tc3_rack_cover.PDF

I would recommend to anybody to do the NTC3 steering rack conversion.
http://www.thefishnet.com/rc/tc3/mods/NTC3steeringrack/ntc3steeringrack.htm

Here is my TC3 with buggy shocks.

[JaminKirby]

anybody post about the tc3 rally anymore? looking for latest pics, newer mods maybe. -Thanks

[Bnoland]

Bump from the dead. I have a TC3 with a NIB rally kit on the way to me. Anyone have any pictures of some with a body on and body off shots? I have it mainly as a collectors item.. I am a huge fan of rally.

[Bnoland]

Well, My stuff got here today and some of the kit was broken so I sent it back to him. I thought it was new.. it was not. Didnt the rally conversion kits come with shocks too? :( Back on the hunt for a TC3 rally kit or TC3 with a rally kit. I have a TC3 so a new TC3 rally car kit would be perfect.

[A4DTM]

the rally conversion came w/ composite cvd's, 200mm arms, turnbuckles, wheels, tires, shock shafts, springs, and a bumper.
I just recently built my second tc3 rally, as I sold my first one a few years ago. I got a roller tc3, bought new steel diffs, the 200mm onroad conversion kit (aluminum cvd's, 200mm arms, turnbuckles..) and got some blocky rally tires, but w/ the 200mm kit, you can run HPI's super nitro tires, and I ran those on my old car, so I bought a new set. I didn't feel like spending more money to get the lighter springs, so I put 1/8 truggy shocks on it.. first test was good, but I need to fine tune the suspension to get it to hang w/ the 4wd buggies..

it's got plenty of power with a feigao 380c 9L w/ a TrueRC 3s 4000mah lipo, it rides wheelies in the grass :)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8184/p9110221.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5490/p9110232.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6687/p9110209.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2404/suspension.gif