Brushless Motor Forum v3.0

[Lapster]

There was a guy at the track today that had a lehner in a T3 and it was smokin. It was keepin up with the 1/8 scale buggies with no problem. it got around the track faster in fact. Is this how every BL is?

[tc3punk]

you would think people would realize how serious BL is by now...:rolleyes:

[crono man]

i heard that rcca(or maybe xtreme rc) did a test of the novak ss and that they gave it a bad review!
Any of you guys read that article?

[k_sw31]

It was probably extreme rc cars, rcca never gives a "negative" reveiw. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Constructor]

To Lapster:

If you gear it right, and choose the best fitting parts combo (ESC and Motor) for your specific Car, yes this IS normal to BL !!
Most Cars ran like hell (even on 6 cells)
but with BL, it´s the only way to power Cars in the 8th or above Class really with powerplants, not these old Mabuchi 800 ones, too heavy, wear out fast, power is missing in all situations.
One negative is there:
Price !! many Combo´s are quite a bit on the heavy side with the Money (and with the weight and size of the esc too)
But as quantities rise, the price will go down (see: LMT Warrior and Basic series)
BL is def. the future of RC Racing or driving in general, many countries in Europe got problems with these loud and smoking Gas Cars, so the best way is to go BL !!

To the review in model mag:

If a system is bad, they should point that out, where it is bad, even if it is Novak (seems to be a little USA Diamond for an European)
But if the system really HAS some bad points, it´s the best for all to tell these (Novak is able to fix em and the potential driver is warned.
I think bad articles are necessary for all
you shall not hold ya mouth if it is a "big firm", say what the point is !!

For me, the Novak system has some very good basic ideas, but the motor RPM and power is too low (correct that, then you´ll have a real good package)
But for us in Europe, this system is too exp. (around 450 USD compared to you and has no real benefits in power or rpm for us here)
So the situation for Novak here is bad !! (sh** I really want to try this system, then decide if it is bad or not, but pricing . . . . .:mad: )

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by RCmaniac324
Soya v1.1- What motor are you using??? I've never heard of that happening to THAT extent...sounds like you are happy...I would b too with that much power. :D :p

It's a B50 8S. It's a beast in an E-maxx, so in a touring car, WOW:D

[yf22k]

wow i've been out of the loop for a while. I'm still hanging there with my 5300 still running strong. I'm thinking of getting into electric helis this fall so i'm gonna be gettting another brushless for that. I did hear the 5300 works well in it. I'll also be getting a second brushless for my cars heh. Not sure which yet but i have time to decide.

I have a nova two speed tranny if anyone's interested. I bought it never looking at the dimensions and realized it was about 2mm too long for my f201. If anyone's interested i'm going to sell it for about $50 shipped. I got it for $70. It has only been run with no load once just to break in the bearings and smooth out hte gears.

[Soya v1.1]

Behold, the power of BL :(
I destroyed my drive pulley, also :(

[crono man]

soya im giving you a new wrestling name

soya "the part killer" :D

[tc3punk]

seems to not be working right now....

but:
Brushless Petition for ROAR classes (http://www.PetitionOnline.com/roarbl/petition.html)
:rolleyes:

[crono man]

Originally posted by tc3punk
seems to not be working right now....

but:
Brushless Petition for ROAR classes (http://www.PetitionOnline.com/roarbl/petition.html)
:rolleyes:

great idea!!!
when it will be up and running post it as a new thread on the board so everyone could see it!

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by crono man
soya im giving you a new wrestling name

soya "the part killer" :D

Yeah, no kidding:p

[RadicalRustler]

do u use a sledgehammer to kill those parts?:p

[tc3punk]

HA!

you still got 3 more to kill before you tie my score;)

[Zero2Sixty]

I wonder if i will ever see my brushless :( hopefully now that RRH got back from their boating competition, they can get around to finally getting my stuff out. Any update TC3punk?

[tc3punk]

shoot, thnx zero!

I'll call donnie up right now, and see if he's there...;)

[R3VoLuTiOn]

there should be a brushless vs brushed race competition. i wouldnt mind wasting brushless folk with a 6x1 brushed that pumps out 50000+ rpm hehehe

[crono man]

Originally posted by R3VoLuTiOn
there should be a brushless vs brushed race competition. i wouldnt mind wasting brushless folk with a 6x1 brushed that pumps out 50000+ rpm hehehe

i think you just opened a can of whoop a$$:D

[RadicalRustler]

betcha a c40 s 5t could beat that (better gearing, althougth the rpm wouldn't beat it. Is that on or off load?

Or a special lehner 1920/2-3t (as i said special) could definitly kick that 6t's rear!!!

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by RadicalRustler
do u use a sledgehammer to kill those parts?:p

You do know that Sledgehammer is the name of one of my broken vehicles? :p

TC3-- How many have you killed? I bet I could beat ya.

[tc3punk]

heh, you broke 2, and I said you need to break 3 more to tie me...

2+3=5:p

it's the damn spool I tell ya:rolleyes:

[filipinoguy]

How fast would a basic 5300 motor and Warrior 7018 controller get me going in my sprint with a 6cell 2400 pack with not super tall gears but with like a usable ratio? Is 40 possible?I'm going 20 with a 17x2 if that helps.

[tc3punk]

I'd guess 40's

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by R3VoLuTiOn
there should be a brushless vs brushed race competition. i wouldnt mind wasting brushless folk with a 6x1 brushed that pumps out 50000+ rpm hehehe

And your pack would die shortly, after a few more packs you would need to cut the comm and replace brushes, the brushless guys would still be running, even if they are a little slower than you, but keep in mind there are still brushless motors that can kick a 6x1's ass.

filipinoguy- With a 5300 in my T3 with 18/87 gearing and 6 3000 hvs, I can touch the low 40s. :)

[filipinoguy]

Cool! Would runtime be longer than five minutes with that setup ?Hope so.
Hmmmm , If you can hit the low 40's with a truck and 18/87 maybe I can go faster in my Sprint with 28/87 hmmm maybe .:confused: Also would 34/75 be too tall ? (I have these gears just lying around)Thanks.

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by tc3punk
heh, you broke 2, and I said you need to break 3 more to tie me...

2+3=5:p

it's the damn spool I tell ya:rolleyes:

Oh, you mean dogbones? I thought you meant cars.

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by filipinoguy
Also would 34/75 be too tall ? (I have these gears just lying around)Thanks.

That's the gearing I have in my car right now. Used pretty much for speed runs only. Get like an 80 spur with a 30 pinion and that should be good. For my Hacker anyway, I'm not familiar with the Lehner

[tc3punk]

Originally posted by Soya v1.1
Oh, you mean dogbones? I thought you meant cars.

well, I keeled 5 al. cvd's on my tc3, so yeah dogbone/cvd, same thing;)

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by filipinoguy
Cool! Would runtime be longer than five minutes with that setup ?Hope so.
Hmmmm , If you can hit the low 40's with a truck and 18/87 maybe I can go faster in my Sprint with 28/87 hmmm maybe .:confused: Also would 34/75 be too tall ? (I have these gears just lying around)Thanks.

Run times for me are around 10 mins with good nimh cells. :D

And yeah, your sprint should fly! :D

But, 34/75 sounds pretty high for a basic 5300, on 6 cells anyways. ;)

One thing you'll need to watch out for is belts flyin off, some belt driven cars just dont do well with brushless. :rolleyes:

[PatrickJ]

A brushless do not need the rpm of a brush because they are naturally more machanical efficient and a small brushless motor usually have much less resistance than even a low turn brush motor so they can run at a higher ampage and put out more power. If you setup up a brushless to give the same runtime as a brush the brushless will be faster. The boat guys those run the brushless at high ampage. The only problem is the brushless may get undriveable due to the speed control.

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by tc3punk
well, I keeled 5 al. cvd's on my tc3, so yeah dogbone/cvd, same thing;)

I bet I could beat you with broken cars:)

[filipinoguy]

Does the warrior 7018 come with anytype of battery connector ? Also how exactly does the water cooling system work ? And could you have a heatsink and water cooling system ? Which do you prefer ?

[tc3punk]

battery connector, yes, it comes with a Deans Ultra Plug, but doesn't come with a female connector for the battery.

water cooling: from what I remember, it's basicly a heatsink on the controller that is drilled with pathways for water to travel through it to cool it off.

uh, if I was running a boat, I'd go water cooling. if it's a car/truck, your only choice is the regular heatsink

;)

[PatrickJ]

The water cooling is for boats only, some people install a water pickup on the hull then connect a small hoses to transfer the water from the water pickup to the speed control then there is an exit on the speed control in which another hoses needs to be connected to release the water from the speed control. For a car you need a heat sink.

[Zero2Sixty]

I just bought an aluminum center shaft and an extra set of CVDs :D Im running out of things to do, maybe I will dust off the T3 and take that for a spin

[k_sw31]

You can do my homework now! :D

[mcquto]

Has anyone tried putting a Novak SS in a TC3 yet? I wanted to know how well it fit.

[crono man]

yo guys just so you know this thread has officially the highest post count of all the other threads!!:D

[k_sw31]

Thats because they broke up the rc10gt thread into 6 different ones. :p

[crono man]

Originally posted by k_sw31
Thats because they broke up the rc10gt thread into 6 different ones. :p

cool plus the fish bit in this thread boosted post count!:D

[RadicalRustler]

yeah, and the looooooonng posts w/ vid links and mr. constructor's many long posts (s/t in quick succession)
edit: And the multiple pages w/ pics!!!

[JohnSheridan]

yo guys just so you know this thread has officially the highest post count of all the other threads!!



So will the Making BL Legal thread :p in time offcourse at the moment i think its the 2nd highest in the Electric forum :D
And i have no interest in making this bigger, so all of you shift your fingers at my thread :p heh

[krisI.925]

Can anyone recomend a good ESC to use with the 4200 motor on 12 cells. I was using a 7018 ESC but it fried.

[SixVi6-Camaro]

mcquto.. Yup.. I droped my Novak SS into my TC3. it fits fine.

[crono man]

Originally posted by SixVi6-Camaro
mcquto.. Yup.. I droped my Novak SS into my TC3. it fits fine.
how are you finding the performance of the novak SS in your touring?

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by crono man
cool plus the fish bit in this thread boosted post count!:D

The fish thing was awesome:D

[tc3punk]

Originally posted by krisI.925
Can anyone recomend a good ESC to use with the 4200 motor on 12 cells. I was using a 7018 ESC but it fried.

did you have it with the updated firmware?

it has much better overload and over-amp-draw shut down features....

I still stick by my 7018, but if you don't wanna try it, the hackermaster sport would be the next best thing...
just a little more pricey ;)

[SixVi6-Camaro]

On the small tight carpet track the SS has super smooth throttle respone and the brakes are excelent and just seems to pull forever with excelent run times. During practice laps with my SS geared for the small track with an 18 tooth pinion I was out there just as long as the stock motor guys but of course way faster on the straights and coming out of turns. also corner speds are kept up easily because of the low drag from the motor. I just have to adjust to the power as too much throttle on turn exits would easily break traction.
The sportsman setting is weird. it limits the power a bit and the rpm to 28000 I believe to mimic a stock motor. the RPM limit actually pulses. on the straights if you ride the rpm limit the car pulses along a bit. I just keep it unlimited with high braking and no rev.

next day in a parking lot I raised the ride hieght and set my TC3 up for parking lot duty. I made a huge track and gave the SS a workout using large pinions to see what kind of speeds and limits the setup has. I ended up runing a 26t pinion (the largest I have and something I'd never run on a low turn brushed motor) and the ESC and motor never had a problem. It still pulled hard all the way up to some pretty impressive speeds. While the TC3 was cooling I ran my Nitro Landmax 2 and I have to say the two are very close in the fun to drive category in large praking lots now. Using an IR temp gauge I saw low 190's on the fins of the ESC after runing it hard with the 3000hv's for a good 8 mins. I ran it through 4 packs like that and it never went into thermal shutdown on me.

ohh yeah and reverse is a trip.. I leave reverse disabled normally but I tried it for gigles. I have to say.. I've never seen a TC go soo fast in reverse.. ever! lol!

Its not as powerfull as other Bl setups that I've seen but Novak has made one smooth runing and very friendly setup that anyone can easily enjoy. It took Novak a long time but I personally think Novak may have set the standard. Its so worry free, the bearings are user replaceable, all wires are replaceable with soder tabs, no BEC issues or RX pack needed. Its just a great setup. overall I'm very impressed with the package.

John

[crono man]

Originally posted by SixVi6-Camaro
On the small tight carpet track the SS has super smooth throttle respone and the brakes are excelent and just seems to pull forever with excelent run times. During practice laps with my SS geared for the small track with an 18 tooth pinion I was out there just as long as the stock motor guys but of course way faster on the straights and coming out of turns. also corner speds are kept up easily because of the low drag from the motor. I just have to adjust to the power as too much throttle on turn exits would easily break traction.
The sportsman setting is weird. it limits the power a bit and the rpm to 28000 I believe to mimic a stock motor. the RPM limit actually pulses. on the straights if you ride the rpm limit the car pulses along a bit. I just keep it unlimited with high braking and no rev.

next day in a parking lot I raised the ride hieght and set my TC3 up for parking lot duty. I made a huge track and gave the SS a workout using large pinions to see what kind of speeds and limits the setup has. I ended up runing a 26t pinion (the largest I have and something I'd never run on a low turn brushed motor) and the ESC and motor never had a problem. It still pulled hard all the way up to some pretty impressive speeds. While the TC3 was cooling I ran my Nitro Landmax 2 and I have to say the two are very close in the fun to drive category in large praking lots now. Using an IR temp gauge I saw low 190's on the fins of the ESC after runing it hard with the 3000hv's for a good 8 mins. I ran it through 4 packs like that and it never went into thermal shutdown on me.

ohh yeah and reverse is a trip.. I leave reverse disabled normally but I tried it for gigles. I have to say.. I've never seen a TC go soo fast in reverse.. ever! lol!

Its not as powerfull as other Bl setups that I've seen but Novak has made one smooth runing and very friendly setup that anyone can easily enjoy. It took Novak a long time but I personally think Novak may have set the standard. Its so worry free, the bearings are user replaceable, all wires are replaceable with soder tabs, no BEC issues or RX pack needed. Its just a great setup. overall I'm very impressed with the package.

John

thanks for that review john i to have the Novak ss in my xxx buggy and im totally satisfied with its performance!!

to which brushed motor would you compared to(number of turns)?

[SixVi6-Camaro]

The Novak SS is a torque setup and I don't think it should be geared like a high RPM brushed mod motor. use a large pinion and keep the novak in the Low RPM range where it really shines. Also because of the low RPM nature of the Novak SS I believe it would be a great drop in relacment for those RTR vehicles that have stock 550's or 20 turn motors in there because the gearing would be just about right for the Novak.

Everything I posted in my review is on 6 cells either 3000hv or older crapier 3000's. I'd say the SS is in the low double digit turn category like 12 or so but its hard to judge because it feels different than brushed setup but I can say its not as powerfull as some of the single digit brushed setups but heck you gotta love the runtime and no maintence. I really do like this Novak setup a lot.

John

[SixVi6-Camaro]

I'm runing a 69 tooth spur gear on my TC3. Stock is 72 tooth and I just checked my setup sheets and my gearing on the small carpet track was 19/69 not 18. doh!!

[tc3punk]

:p
this is RCWarrior's Hyper7...

it's basicly the EXACT same thing I want to do, but with the batt's laying down, and dual motors...
his will be running a 1940/6...


here's what it looked like in early stages:
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/806628/1752226/21986570.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/806628/1752226/21986574.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/806628/1752226/21986578.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/806628/1752226/21986584.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/806628/1752226/21986594.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/806628/1752226/21986590.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/806628/1752226/21413900.jpg

and here is it all ready with new chassis mods, and just waiting for the motor...
(REALLY BIG PICS)
Hyper7Pro1 (http://www.brushless.net/~tc3punk/hyper72.jpg)
Hyper7Pro2 (http://www.brushless.net/~tc3punk/hyper71.jpg)
Hyper7Pro3 (http://www.brushless.net/~tc3punk/hyper73.jpg)

[Soya v1.1]

If you plan to do this, you might have to get a little creative for ESC placement.

[crono man]

tc3punk!!!!! OMG thats freaking awesome!!!!!
video PLEASE

[Zero2Sixty]

sorry to nag you tc3punk, but im dying here, any news yet? BTW, that hyper 7 is fricken awsome

[RadicalRustler]

q: How do you get batts to be laying down more than that?
That thing is SSWWWEEETTT!!!!!! Those tires look awsome! Can wait to see yours when its done!!

[tc3punk]

Soya, I'm way ahead of you... can you say "Roll Cage"?;)

crono, once his 1940 comes in, he promises a vid.:D

Zero, no word yet...
I'll call him up and leave a message...
I had someone send him an email saying to email me, but nothing yet, problem with Lehner, is it's a little "basement" (no, literally!:eek: ) company, and the distributors are too few for the current demand:rolleyes: ...
I'll lyk, as soon as I get word tho

Radical, what do you mean how do you get the batteries to lay down more?
are you talking about that buggy?:rolleyes: :confused:
also, I'm thinking LEXAN for my chassis, but the person I bought my Hyper7Pro from (more than 2 months ago), isn't being very helpful:mad:
read here for more info... (http://www.rcjimsplace.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=4120) :confused:

[JohnSheridan]

Damn tc3punk Must you post those mouthwatering pics? :(

Looks like my next investment is on the Hacker C40 + Controller.

Any other or better recomendations? im thinking of putting it in a Touring car

[RadicalRustler]

Originally posted by tc3punk
[B]:p
this is RCWarrior's Hyper7...

it's basicly the EXACT same thing I want to do, but with the batt's laying down, and dual motors...
his will be running a 1940/6...


how do you make those batts more lay down?

[SandManRacing]

A video of my Brushless T3 :)

High Quality
http://66.130.66.102:85/videos/brushless_power_hi_[divx].zip

Low Quality
http://66.130.66.102:85/videos/brushless_power_low_[divx].zip

If the link doesn't work, you will need to download it from my web page.

This is a very simple video. I didn't have a cameramen so there isn't a lot of differents views or zoom-in.

But I think it's a nice one anyway.

Give your feedbacks !

BTW, good luck with your project TC3Punk. It's looking great :eek:

Bye

SandMan
http://rccars.ca.tc

[krisI.925]

Originally posted by tc3punk
did you have it with the updated firmware?

it has much better overload and over-amp-draw shut down features....

I still stick by my 7018, but if you don't wanna try it, the hackermaster sport would be the next best thing...
just a little more pricey ;)

I saw that hacker recomends the use of the Sport for the C50 motor on 12 cells in the emaxx. But Im just wondering if the C50 motor is more powerful than the 4200. I cant find any specs on the C50 motor like amps and watts and what ever else tho. But does the sport come with thermal and amp load protection?

[SandManRacing]

The HackerMaster Sport does have a current limiter. It can be adjusted to: 30 - 45 - 60 - or unlimited current.

It's rated at 66 amp nominal
90 amp max (I think)

It's temperature protected. It will go off above 110 C.

[RadicalRustler]

A c50 is way more powerful than a 4200. there is a massive size difference too.

[crono man]

man if i had the money id get myself a emaxx with twin 1930/5 lehners and 12 cells!!:D

[Zero2Sixty]

ok. I was just wondering cause i already got the charges on my Credit Card, and was wondering if im ever going to get it lol

[2Fast2Furious]

Thinking of getting one and was wondering if anyone has one and how you like it.? also what car was it in thinking of putting one in my TC3.

[tc3punk]

radical, I was refering to the updated pics of his...
I'm gonna have the batts exactly like he has em in the pics posted here, I meant, I dont like how he has em standing up in his updated version (the 3 picture links)

sand, bah! every time I post pics or vid of somone elses' car, people think it's mine, even tho I say who's it is...
I'll take the "good luck with your project", but "it's looking great" should go to RCWarrior;)

zero, I know how you feel (I waited over 6 months to get mine), and I'm still waiting for my 2nd controller =\

and on a side note, I got an email from the guy I bought my buggy from...

I got it all packaged up this morning. I will get it out today.

Thanks
Terry
so we'll see....
http://www.brushless.net/~tc3punk/thud.gif

[tc3punk]

2dumb2fake, look here.... (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124551)

[PatrickJ]

The novak system I know is not as powerful as the hackers and lehners but considering smoothness, low end torque and no cogging compare to what the other systems does which do you guys rate as a better overall 6 cell motor.

[crono man]

Originally posted by PatrickJ
The novak system I know is not as powerful as the hackers and lehners but considering smoothness, low end torque and no cogging compare to what the other systems does which do you guys rate as a better overall 6 cell motor.

for 6cell racing use i would take the novak anyday...for land speed records and 7+cells i would take a lehner setup

[tc3punk]

heh
yes 7cells+

;)

ran my tc3 on 12 cells, and couln't keep it straight with my Futaba s3003:mad:

yes, I know I need a new servo lol

also, I hit a squirl (RIP):(

[Zero2Sixty]

2dumb2fake LMAO :D

[RCmaniac324]

Originally posted by tc3punk
also, I hit a squirl (RIP):(

LOL!!! Now you have realistic bloodsplatter on your body like you took off a turn marshalls foot!!!:D :p j/k, that sux, you must have broken some parts to kill a squirl. :eek:

[GWF]

It seems that most of the sensorless (Hacker/Lehrner/etc) users are high cell number/EMaxx or "speed run" users rather than people taking their racers to the race track where they can compare their ESC/Motors to other racers.

Is there anyone on this forum who DOES race 1/10 scale off road buggy or truck with a sensorless setup? Is cogging a problem other than right at the startup? Advantages? Disadvantages?

Thanks in advance for your time.

Gary

[RadicalRustler]

i have a three -wheeler and you don't - nahnahnah!!

Here - enjoy And its a lehner 5300, warrior 7018 w/ new software (same performace as 4018 w/o new software) and a receiver pack. Homemade front

[tc3punk]

software?
FIRMWARE:rolleyes:

nice "thing" you got there radical, looks very "ghetto" rigged:D

[RadicalRustler]

thanks - took me 5-7 hours at least to make, two finger injuries, and a lot of dirty clothes.

[k_sw31]

Thats possibly one of the most "special" cars I have ever seen....

except for when I made this ;):

[RadicalRustler]

I would have something like that if i could find alumium i could use!!! I want some to make a better, shorter chassis for the trike (thats its new name) how did your midget handle?

[k_sw31]

Lol, well the fact that it was wider than it is long made it SUCK! :p

It was still really fun, wheelied like crazy with a 15x2. :D

[tc3punk]

handled like crap eh?

looks like it'd handle a bit better if you added more toe...

:rolleyes: :p

[k_sw31]

I couldn't get long enough turnbuckles, had to get really creative with the zip ties as well. ;)

[crono man]

k_sw1 thats just nuts dude!!:D remind me of a tamiya wildwilly!

mmm wildwilly and brushless(mmmm evil thoughts are brewing:D )

[Soya v1.1]

Oh yeah? Check out my Extreme cycle chopper:D

[crono man]

Originally posted by Soya v1.1
Oh yeah? Check out my Extreme cycle chopper:D

LOL thats thing rocks, soya you must find a way to stuff a BL in that baby!!! :D

[Soya v1.1]

I also made a 3 wheeler:D
Actually, you've given me a great idea. I've never seen a BL motorcycle, I think I'll buy the Thunder Tiger, and drop the Hacker in that beast. That would be INSANE:D

[Soya v1.1]

On second thought, maybe not. They're kinda expensive:(

[crono man]

to bad kyosho stopped making those ATV's;)

[tc3punk]

Soya, head over to maxxtraxx message boards...

there's a person that put a novak (I know that's a bit under what your thinking:rolleyes: ) in the TT Bike...

[filipinoguy]

OK guys got a couple of questions. I plan on getting a Lehner 5300 basic motor and Warrior ESC.

Does anyone have this setup? How do you like it ? Any major problems?

Ive heard about bl ESC's getting fried , will this happen ?

Can I use 1500's just for bashing? I've heard somewhere that a BL will damage your batteries , is this true ? How will a pair of Team Orion V-Maxx
2400's work with this setup? Should I go for more cells (only have space for 7) or more mAh ?

thanks guys, man I can't wait till I get the money for a BL!:D

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by filipinoguy
How will a pair of Team Orion V-Maxx
2400's work with this setup?

I would not suggest those batts. My BL destroyed them. Not worth the money. Get some SMC's off Ebay or something. That's what I did. 2 SMC 2400's for $65 never used:D

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by tc3punk
Soya, head over to maxxtraxx message boards...

there's a person that put a novak (I know that's a bit under what your thinking:rolleyes: ) in the TT Bike...

Damn, somebody beat me to it. Oh well.

[RadicalRustler]

I have a 7018/5300, and i run 1500 sharks - so far so good. They get warm, but you should be fine is you cool them off.

[Soya v1.1]

I guess I'm hell on everything:(

[tc3punk]

Originally posted by RadicalRustler
I have a 7018/5300, and i run 1500 sharks - so far so good. They get warm, but you should be fine is you cool them off.

ditto.

also, when running on 12 cells, they'll heat up even worse than with 6 =\

also, I might have fried my controller, but I talked to don from RRH, and he told me what to do to try and repair it...
basicly, unplug it, and flush it with WD40, and let it drip dry.
there's one small chip, with 3 large prongs that come off it, and static, dust, moisture* can easily kill it.
I'm about to try it again, and see if it works...

also, there's VERY good news about the lehner controllers:
seems that RRH will have a person that will be able to repair the controllers from there location (florida) instead of shipping em to Lehner/BK in Germany...
there's also talk of BRUSHED controllers, and them posibly bl controllers down the line from RRH
Don told me that the Brushed controllers they got working on right now, (they already have prototypes) has the lowest resistance than ANY brushed esc in the states right now....
and it also will have more "steps" of controll than the GT7:D

we shall see:cool:

[filipinoguy]

Well I can't have my contoller fried again, I'm getting second thoughts about going brushless.:( for 250 I'd just need to save a lil more for a GT-4 rtr.60MPH out of the box !:eek: Or at least thats what Yokomo says.

[Drayken S4S]

also, there's VERY good news about the lehner controllers:
seems that RRH will have a person that will be able to repair the controllers from there location (florida) instead of shipping em to Lehner/BK in Germany...

Don't jump the gun, lol. Donnie said he is TRYING to get this. He is pressuring Them to either step up to the plate and do faster repairs/replacements, or authorize him to do it there, in Florida.

Hey tc3punk, Donnie must have had the same conversation twice today, lol. He also said good shipment is being sent. He is hoping all orders will be filled.

Alot of people are upset with RRH, but you gotta realize that they are only the middleman. Their only fault, IMO, is lack of communication, via emails. None of the other Lehner retailers have anything to sell. Even the Hacker retailers are starting to run out of stock and getting backed up. Word is, Fine Design is having hard time honoring warrenty work now, on Hacker stuff.

[tc3punk]

Drayken, what Don (not donnie) told me was that they have a person that's in college, and they're planning on having him go to work for them as soon as he's done with school

Don's pretty funny too, he said "he knows the difference between a diode, and a transister, so I'm sure he'll do better than us"
he was j/k incase you people thought he was being serious...

also, he said that the ONLY person that repairs controllers recently had throught* cancer, and that's when all the repairs got backed up...

but yeah, he also said that everyone should have their controllers by next monday:D

[tc3punk]

oh yeah, I guess someone (Don, Donnie, or mabye both?) are gonna take a trip go Germany later this year, so they'll have nice long talks about what the future holds;)

[crono man]

Originally posted by filipinoguy
Well I can't have my contoller fried again, I'm getting second thoughts about going brushless.:( for 250 I'd just need to save a lil more for a GT-4 rtr.60MPH out of the box !:eek: Or at least thats what Yokomo says.

theres no reason that the controller will fry,unless you use it out of spec(i.e using to many cells)

[litegide]

For the regular ESC and the motor I will be looking at 135.00, for another 100.00 I can get the Novak Brushless motor and esc from my hobby shop - tower seems to be out at the moment.

I would be putting it into my B4 buggy chassis I just built. Is there enough room inside for the esc? How fast do you think it'll go on the street - w/street tires?

What kind of run times would I get out of it with a pirannah 1800 battery pack or equivelant. - Not to sure about the gear I'd require.

Thank you,

Phil

[Drayken S4S]

oh yeah, I guess someone (Don, Donnie, or mabye both?) are gonna take a trip go Germany later this year, so they'll have nice long talks about what the future holds

Ya, Donnie said they will try to light a fire under them. The problem is, the US market is second fiddle to LMT. RRH needs to convince them that we are willing to blow our money, like always, lol.

[BJMFH]

Originally posted by Drayken S4S
Word is, Fine Design is having hard time honoring warrenty work now, on Hacker stuff.

You have no idea just how true that is. About a month ago my Hacker Master Competition speed controller stopped working properly. I didn't have it overgeared or anything like that. The d*mn thing just quit on me all the sudden. I sent it back to Fine Design RC for repairs.

Yesterday I received an email from Chris telling me that Hacker had repaired my speed controller but the repairs weren't covered under warantee. They tried to hand me some b*llsh*t about bad soldering joints. My soldering joints were perfectly fine, I don't know what the f*ck they're talking about. Apparantly since my soldering joints were so horrid, they'd somehow reversed the flow of the current and fried the controller. Anyways, Chris also told me that my credit card on file was charged 200 dollars. How nice. :mad:

I reread the warantee just to make sure I wasn't being an*lly r*ped. Hacker's warantee is a f*cking joke. There are enough loopholes in it thing to make everything your fault. Hacker isn't responsible for sh*t. You could look at the speed controller wrong and Hacker would still charge you for it. Basically everything is your fault and nothing will ever be covered under the warantee.

Still 200 bucks is cheaper than a new Competition (269). What a f*cking deal! Up until now I was perfectly happy with Hacker, my Competition, and Fine Design. I do realize that Fine Design is just the middle man, but something about this whole situation just stinks.

The really sad thing is, the Competion is great speed controller. When it works it's just about the best BL controller you can buy. But beware, if it ever breaks down, you'll be stuck with the bill.

I will keep people posted when I get my "repaired" Competition back.

[Mr. Constructor]

To BJMFH

I really understand you, but almost the same happened to me with a Novak Esc (should be the old 410HPC, some days ago that story)
I bought it on a trip in the states, then (it really WAS my fault) the esc´s Mos FET burned, due to the snow i´m driving in with it, OK my fault, so I send it in for repair, not warranty, they said to me that they´re even NOT reapairing it, due to that this ESC is not bought through the german sales man of Novak, man was i angry, about the fault myself and then this !!
(Finally I read anything (or more . . .;) ) about the technical function of esc´s so that i was able to repair the Mos FET´s myself, the ESC is still running with a 11 T in my old Ultima (´90 Year of building )

But as you can see, there is always a problem when "they" should pay, esp. if the owner is living very far away or so.
Do not be angry, it doesn´t help, see the best thing: the new software should be already installed (smoother throttle response) when you´ll receive your esc !!
(I ve spend lots of money during all my years of RC, due to my unknown or anything else, that´s the reason, that i wanna help younger people to really got some help, because my generation doesn´t, the RC industry (mostly Knowledge of the dealers) wasn´t that big !!

Maybe this will give you a small grin over your face, this Car was completed yesterday, (still no ESC, should be there till next weekend)
This is a conversion from a Ultima GP typ R MT !! really low CG and great for power runs !! (hope that i will have good weather next week . . . .:D )

See ya

[Mr. Constructor]

To litegide

as fot he space, there should be no problem with the Novak esc, it is really small (hope that the other brands will "copy" the size soon !!)
the speed should reach the 30 mph line, for gearing start out with a 11:1 should be good enough for beginning, even when run times are really high, you could go down to 9.5 : 1 if the esc AND Motor does not overheat (over 140 ° F (should be about 120 ° Celsius i think !?!?!?)

The run times with an average gearing (10.5 :1) should exceed the 6 min range, maybe a little more, to go further down with gearing or improve run times, try to get your hands on the new 3300 cells from sanyo or GP, these both really have good punch and awsome driving time !!

Have fun with the Novak BL system, seem´s to be a good system for mid power solution (all 10th cars) too bad, that it is that heavy priced in germany, i really am a little on the looking side for the power, for a 10th sedan, this package should be great also, but in germany, the Combo sells about 450 USD (converted from Euro to USD) !!!

Too much for "only" an average system, for THAT much money, i could get 2 Hacker Motors and 2 warrior esc ´s !!! (they´re pretty cheap if you know the right ways to buy them :D )

[litegide]

Mr. Constructor - thank you for the reply - Is the Hacker better than the Novak?

Where in the USA do they have the Hacker system? I have not bought it yet, it was either the Novak or the LRP Quantum Pro reverse and a a 10T KR motor - I can get the Novak for 235.00 and the LRP W/motor for about 150.00


l:confused:

I need to make up mind

Phil

[k_sw31]

Litegide- I wouldn't be concerned about getting a different brushless setup, they are just way more expensive than the novak setup, the novak will work best from what you have told me your gonna use it for.

Mr. Contructor- Just so you know the average runtimes on GP3300 cells average about 9 and a half minutes on the full power setting for the novak! :D

[crono man]

YIHAAAAAAAAAAAA just got back from a day at the bmx track with my xxx-buggy and the novak..MAN THIS THING HAULS i was clearing 6 foot doubles!!..then i realised that the novak was in "stock" mode put it in unlimited and yooohhoo!!

[Bob Ebophalus]

Originally posted by Mr. Constructor
(they´re pretty cheap if you know the right ways to buy them :D )

and what excactly would that be??

[Mr. Constructor]

To litegide

I thinki for your solution, the Novak will work very good, Hacker is way more expencive (esp. the Comp. ESC )
and some people are having problems with the warrior ESC from LMT in the low cell mode (6 cells)
by the way, the problem with these 6 cell combo for the warrior, seems to be a general problem, due to the higher cut off cell voltage that is programmed in the warrior series, they told me about that, with kontronik or schulze, this should not be a problem (and is not a problem, i own both, never had problems with)

so the novak system is a really good choice, for "only" 6 cell cars when going to 12 cell, use the other systems.

To k_sw31

sounds a little too less, because ive had run times in my cars around 10-11 min with 3000 packs (that are around a real 2800 )
so if daled in right, the car may go for over 11 min with the novak setting !!

To Bob Ebophalus

I got a friend of mine, who´s a hobby shop owner, he sells them with at least the original price - 10-15 % to me, that IS an advantage !!
(exs. : Warrior 7018 BEC is around a 105 USD !! (110 Euro) )

For all others out there:

If anyone needs some parts he can´t get (BL ESC Motors mostly) maybe he(or she) could contact me, i will try to find a solution.
But remember, I live in germany, so postage and handling my cost a little more and will take some time (or you use 24 hours shipping, what is REALLY exp. !!)

see ya

[k_sw31]

Hey guys I was just surfing the online hobby shops, and I noticed that stormerhobbies (http://www.stormerhobbies.com) now has a hacker listing! Sure enough they have escs, and have a few different motors on order. :)

I think its great to see some of the larger hobby shops starting to carry brushless stuff! :D

see them here (http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/searchpn.pl?stype=cust&pn=HBM&man=Hacker%20Brushless%20Motors)

[Soya v1.1]

I saw that on there first, like a month ago:p

[k_sw31]

Yes but I was first to post it. :)

[Soya v1.1]

Sooooo;)

[Zero2Sixty]

I am going insane, i'm practically stalking my mail-man to see if he has a package, and im checking my e-mail every 10 minutes to see if Rum-Runner has replied to either of the two e-mails i sent. I cant take it anymore, maybe i should cancel (if i could REACH THEM) and just pick one up from finedesign RC.

[k_sw31]

You wont have any luck, rine design gets all their stuff through RRH. :p

[Zero2Sixty]

You wont have any luck, rine design gets all their stuff through RRH. :( :( :( Oh well, maybe if i stop by their shop they may have something in stock, i live in NY. I wouldnt b so un-happy about waiting if they actually replied to my e-mails, and i at-least had some human correspondence from RRH telling me that I will "eventually get it"

[tc3punk]

zero, Lehner/BK is sending out their shipment tomorow, so RRH should get them around thursday, and you should get your controller Monday-Wed.

it's comming, I assure you;)

[JonDax]

Originally posted by k_sw31
Hey guys I was just surfing the online hobby shops, and I noticed that stormerhobbies (http://www.stormerhobbies.com) now has a hacker listing! Sure enough they have escs, and have a few different motors on order. :)

I think its great to see some of the larger hobby shops starting to carry brushless stuff! :D

see them here (http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/searchpn.pl?stype=cust&pn=HBM&man=Hacker%20Brushless%20Motors)


Yeah, I got my Maxx setup from Stormer about a month and a half ago--the C50 and Comp controller. So far so good, no smoke yet!:D Hopefully it will stay that way. I dunno if Stormer would be helpful with warranty or not, hopefully I won't have to find out! So far though, all my dealings with Stormer have been great--I've ordered a lot from them.
--JD

[RadicalRustler]

maxximizer is the lehner distributor in the us

[Zero2Sixty]

thanks TC3 for the input, i trust what you say since you do have Donnie's cell phone # :D So they are getting controllers in, but what about motors? I ordered a 5300 basic as well.

[Drayken S4S]

maxximizer is the lehner distributor in the us

No, they are a retailer. RRH is the distributor. But if I am not mistaken, Maxximizer gets their stuff strait from Lehner. They had that deal, before RRH became the sole distributor. Maxximizer does not supply any other retailer, that I have heard of, they just get products for themselves to sell.

[tc3punk]

zero, motors should be in as well.

radical, from what Don told me, (and I asked this, just so I woulnd't be giving out the wrong info on message boards;) ).
Lehner/BK used to have a distributer out in cali. but the guy only wanted like half a dozen setups, so they saw it as a waste of time.

now, RRH is the ONLY importer of Lehner/BK to the states, and then they send to Maxximizer and Finedesignrc to be distributed, as well, as RRH them selves...

:)

[DualBL]

are you planning on racing or just speed runs?

I'd recomend a lehner 1525/7, but I'm not sure it'd fit in the motor pod....
if if doesn't, I'd go with a lahner 5300basic motor and 7018 controller

but if your going to be racing, the Novak is most likely your best choice

http://www.rumrunnerhobbies.com

:)

[crono man]

the only controller that would fit in a 1/12 car is the novak ss..and its especially designed for 4-7cell use!
at 6 cell the novak the novak equal 12t motor at 4cells it should equal about a 15-16t motor.

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by DualBL
are you planning on racing or just speed runs?

I'd recomend a lehner 1525/7, but I'm not sure it'd fit in the motor pod....
if if doesn't, I'd go with a lahner 5300basic motor and 7018 controller

but if your going to be racing, the Novak is most likely your best choice

http://www.rumrunnerhobbies.com

:)

Yes, I will be racing. :)

[Mr. Constructor]

To jeffrey

first you have to consider,that the starting amps are way higher than a brushed motor, and the voltage will easily reach the cut off point !!
(maybe this could prevented, when using a receiver cell pack (try to find a rec. that could handle 7.2 v, then you´re able to run very light LiIon or LiPol cells !!

The other systems do NOT function under 6 cell, there is really something missing in the market !!!

Try to "rent" the esc Combo from Novak from your LHS, safest way for you to test this out, or go with a big name (towerhobbies??) that you could easily send parts back and get your money back too!!

This 4 cell mode is not very well supported, I´ve tried a older (also sensored) Kontronik Combo, this functions, but torque and speed was too low, or Amp draw was too high (with higher rpm/V Motors)

So best way is the "rent" version or go with a good brushed one !!
(one last idea: check out aveox.com for other details on their Sensored esc and motors, they´re the only firm that do make sensored esc for cars !!
(maybe mix the novak motor with aveox esc ?? (no problem, the sensors are following all the same system)

Looks not so good for 4 cell Fan´s out there . . . .:(

[jeffrey]

Well I'm probably going to be doing 6 cell now.

I talked to my LHS where I'll be racing primarily and as it's an outdoor track, it's a 6 cell class. Since the Yokomo YXR-12WE is 4 cell only, it's a no-go. Oh well. :(

I'll be getting the Associated RC12L3 and running either Panasonic 3000UM's or 3300's in 6 cell packs.

Will the Novak system suit this application? And what gearing would be the best combination of acceleration and top speed (track has a long straight for 12th, probably 120').

Thanks for the input guys! :)

Jeff

[PatrickJ]

Something don't sound right to me, if the brushless run at higher amps than the brush how can the runtime be longer.

[DualBL]

there's VERY LITTLE friction....
the only contact is the 2 bearings...
so that makes it more efficient ect.

[crono man]

Originally posted by jeffrey
Well I'm probably going to be doing 6 cell now.

I talked to my LHS where I'll be racing primarily and as it's an outdoor track, it's a 6 cell class. Since the Yokomo YXR-12WE is 4 cell only, it's a no-go. Oh well. :(

I'll be getting the Associated RC12L3 and running either Panasonic 3000UM's or 3300's in 6 cell packs.

Will the Novak system suit this application? And what gearing would be the best combination of acceleration and top speed (track has a long straight for 12th, probably 120').

Thanks for the input guys! :)

Jeff

i have the novak ss in my xxx and it flys!!!
with 6cells youre rc12l3 will break the sound barrier at the end of that 120' straight!

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by crono man
i have the novak ss in my xxx and it flys!!!
with 6cells youre rc12l3 will break the sound barrier at the end of that 120' straight!

Sold!

If it sucks, I'm blaming it all on you.

Just kidding. :)

I'll let you guys know how it is, post pics, etc. :)

[litegide]

What a Bummer :(

Phil

[DualBL]

pft

ok, I have a Warrior 7018 w/ the car firmware installed

i have 3 setup options
1.Forward / brake
2.Forward/ reverse
3.Forward/brake/reverse

I've only ran setup 1, because I'm afraid of what would happen if I tried to drive my tc3 at 80mph in reverse:eek:

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by litegide
What a Bummer :(

Phil

Reversing ESC's aren't allowed at the track I race at anyway. :)

[JonDax]

Originally posted by litegide
What a Bummer :(

Phil

I have a Schulze and a Hacker BL ESC, and both have reverse and brakes. The Hacker will brake for a few seconds then go into full reverse--not so great for good car controll, especially when jumping and hitting the brake to bring the front down and having the thing go into full reverse while in the air!

However, my Schulze is really neat for brakes--it will keep the brakes on until the car comes to a complete stop, and then after a few seconds of being stopped reverse will come on. Kind of a pain if you're in a hurry to jam into reverse, but nice if you linger on the brakes for awhile in the air, or if the car is coasting. Coasting the brakes still work! Brakes also work while in reverse.
--JD

BTW--both escs allow for turning reverse off for racing.

[JonDax]

Originally posted by litegide
What a Bummer :(

Phil

I have a Schulze and a Hacker BL ESC, and both have reverse and brakes. The Hacker will brake for a few seconds then go into full reverse--not so great for good car controll, especially when jumping and hitting the brake to bring the front down and having the thing go into full reverse while in the air!

However, my Schulze is really neat for brakes--it will keep the brakes on until the car comes to a complete stop, and then after a few seconds of being stopped reverse will come on. Kind of a pain if you're in a hurry to jam into reverse, but nice if you linger on the brakes for awhile in the air, or if the car is coasting. Coasting the brakes still work! Brakes also work while in reverse.
--JD

BTW--both escs allow for turning reverse off for racing.

[Mr. Constructor]

To PatrickJ

its the way that the controller needs more amps ("watt" will be better) to create 3 separate, 120° lapsed, 3 dimensional controlled Phase, than only giving the power to the motor (as a normal esc does)
So in the startup, there is more amp, but this will go down very fast (only up to a few %) so then the amp will be lower and the friction is reduced also, this already results in very great power output to input ratio, named efficency ( ;) )

a BL is always better than a brushed setup, due to these facts !!

As for 12th carpet racing, Have you looked at the Corally site ??

They offer a very excellent 12th car, in various battery options, and academy is relaesing a FRP and even a Carbon version (both fully and totally tuned) for very low money, I ordered 2 some years ago, good car (in this modification state, the plastic basic version is not really a winner)
they´re excellent fast on track, same as all other brands !!

[litegide]

Thanks, I had ordered the Novak and just realized it had no reverse :(

Phil

[crono man]

Originally posted by litegide
Thanks, I had ordered the Novak and just realized it had no reverse :(

Phil

the novak ss does have reverse!

[litegide]

Knowhwere does it say that the ss has reverse?

I called Tower where I had my order and they confirmed it did not have reverse, looking over the ad It doesn't say anything about reverse.

Phil

[RCmaniac324]

Well then tower is wrong, like they have been on many things......it does have reverse!!!

[litegide]

I was really disappointed about the Novak brushless not having reverse - now I'm happy again, although I cancelled my order and ordered the Trinity Spped Gem Cryptonite Pro for 30.00 and a quantum pro reverse new for 95.00!

I'll start saving all over again since I don't have to pay for the tower brushless until it arrives - I'll give it another try :confused:

Can you tell - I'm New! ;)

Phil

[crono man]

Originally posted by litegide
I was really disappointed about the Novak brushless not having reverse - now I'm happy again, although I cancelled my order and ordered the Trinity Spped Gem Cryptonite Pro for 30.00 and a quantum pro reverse new for 95.00!

I'll start saving all over again since I don't have to pay for the tower brushless until it arrives - I'll give it another try :confused:

Can you tell - I'm New! ;)

Phil

it actually has 6profiles pre-programmed you can also disable reverse if you wish to!:)

[krisI.925]

Any one here any news on the new Lehner 9918 ESCs. I ordered one the other day and will probably get it in a week or to. I hope it does fry like my 7018 did.

[Mr. Constructor]

To krisI.925

I have spoken the last week directly with the inventor of these esc´s, he said, that the only difference is that the esc comes with a top circuit board and an aluminium plate between the board and the "Mainboard" so the power FET´s are more (and weight too, but only about 20 gr) and so the Amp could go up 99 !!
(but be careful, when using the esc really at the limit (near by 100 A) the bec function is not functioning good, due to the very high heat dissipation from the esc, the bec cicruit is not cooled that much (Say: NOTHING) so it overheats easily.

So do yourself a favor, run the esc only as a extra safety (+29A to the 70 A version) or do use a battery in very high power conditions, that are not buildable with up to 18 cells until you make some mistakes in gearing (18 cells is around 21 V under load, multiplied by 100 A That makes around 2,1 KW !!!!)
(the esc will not stand this power very long)

[crono man]

local bmx track
i destroyed
1 tranny case
1 rear bulkhead
bent motor plate
motor guard

landed about 10feet from the jump in the background:D

[anothermbdusted]

ok i dont want to read 2500+ posts so im going to ask my question....i have a emaxx and want it to be able to do about 45mph what is a good reliable BL system out there for it...
ill be racing nitro trucks....main concern is reliable as i hear alot about controlers being fried...dont have to have reverse but would be nice if i had that option...and please provide link to motor if possible...thank you.

[BJMFH]

I got my Hacker Master Competition back from Fine Design yesterday. It turns out they ended up giving me a replacement unit rather than giving me the unit that Hacker repaired. The new HMC works great. I guess I got a pretty good deal. Fine Design was even kind enough to give me some quality solder since Hacker said my bad solder joints caused the failure with my old HMC. I'm still kinda confused about the whole situation, but oh well. At least I'm up and running again.

[DualBL]

kris, RandomLetterz has a 9918, and has had it for over a week, but has yet to run it, because he didn't get gold connectors for the controller, lol

cronoman, :eek: :D

anothermbdusted, dual 4200's and 7018 controllers will most likely get you up to 45mph
a member of the maxxtraxx boards got his E up to 50mph with dual 5300's and 20 cells...

moep's SM would have had a good run at 65-70mph with his dual C50's on 16 cells each!
to bad that one of the c50's shafts snapped, and he decieded to part his SM out, rather than wait for a replacement....:rolleyes:

BJMFH, what solder were you using?
I got deans...
just wondering:(

[unit_4tec]

the novak ss does have reverse! LOL damn look at the spec sheet on novak racing website damn i feel sorry for u man! ur missing out! :D

[BJMFH]

I was using deans connectors for the battery plugs and those small gold connectors for the motor. They didn't have problem with the connectors, they (Hacker, not Fine Design) said I was using bad solder and that my soldering joints were bad also.

I was using standard rosin core lead solder and my joints were just fine. I've been into rc for over 10 years and know how to f*cking solder sh*t. This hasn't ever happened to me before and I've soldered dozens of different connections. Now all the sudden I get a really expensive BL system and I suddenly forget how to solder? Give me a f*cking break! Hacker just didn't feel like honoring their warranty. I would have had more respect for the company if they'd just told me to f*ck off right to my face rather than create some b*llsh*t excuse. The excuse wasn't even that good; they could have come up with something better than bad soldering joints.

Oh well, it's water under the bridge. My car is up and running again; that's all that counts.

[JonDax]

Originally posted by BJMFH
I was using deans connectors for the battery plugs and those small gold connectors for the motor. They didn't have problem with the connectors, they (Hacker, not Fine Design) said I was using bad solder and that my soldering joints were bad also.

I was using standard rosin core lead solder and my joints were just fine. I've been into rc for over 10 years and know how to f*cking solder sh*t. This hasn't ever happened to me before and I've soldered dozens of different connections. Now all the sudden I get a really expensive BL system and I suddenly forget how to solder? Give me a f*cking break! Hacker just didn't feel like honoring their warranty. I would have had more respect for the company if they'd just told me to f*ck off right to my face rather than create some b*llsh*t excuse. The excuse wasn't even that good; they could have come up with something better than bad soldering joints.

Oh well, it's water under the bridge. My car is up and running again; that's all that counts.


I think Hacker may have a point as they specify silver solder. My manual says to only use high quality silver solder for connections to motor and controller.

I think maybe the reason you never experienced problems before is that the Hacker BL system draws so much current? Not as much resistance as a brushed motor, so when the lead based solder is used it generates too much heat in the controller. That would be my guess, anyway. I don't think standard solder is the best for electrical applications, especially where high efficiency is important. I also think silver solder is more resilient, so it will resist cracking better, and even microscopic cracks can generate more resistance.

Not flaming you, just thinking they weren't just blowing you off with a BS excuse.
--JD

[BJMFH]

You do have have a very good point JonDax. And no, I didn't take your comment as a flame. Sometimes I need a level-headed voice of reason to bring me back to reality.

But I still can't wrap my mind the concept that non-silver solder would seriously damage the speed controller. My Competition didn't ever get that hot, even the connections. I had the current limiter set to 3 (60 amps) so it couldn't have been drawing more than that. I'm using silver solder now with my current BL system just to be sure.

By the way, what do you set your current limter at? Right now I'm going to stick with 30 amps just to be safe.

[BJMFH]

JonDax,

I just reread my Hacker manual at least 10 times. I couldn't find a single mention of silver solder anywhere. It states that you should only use high quality connectors, motors and batteries but nothing about the composition of the solder. Maybe I'm just stupid or something but I cannot find anything relating or even hinting at silver solder.

I ordered my stuff from Fine Design and they sent me some high quality printouts, five pages, of the Hacker manual. I don't think that what I have is the "official" Hacker manual. It still has all the info about connections, timing, frequency, current limiter, etc. Perhaps my bootleg manual is missing some information.

It makes sense to use silver solder with high performance equipment like this. But as far as I can tell, the manual doesn't mandate silver solder. They really stress the use of Dean's Ultra Plugs though.

[krisI.925]

Originally posted by Mr. Constructor
To krisI.925

I have spoken the last week directly with the inventor of these esc´s, he said, that the only difference is that the esc comes with a top circuit board and an aluminium plate between the board and the "Mainboard" so the power FET´s are more (and weight too, but only about 20 gr) and so the Amp could go up 99 !!
(but be careful, when using the esc really at the limit (near by 100 A) the bec function is not functioning good, due to the very high heat dissipation from the esc, the bec cicruit is not cooled that much (Say: NOTHING) so it overheats easily.

So do yourself a favor, run the esc only as a extra safety (+29A to the 70 A version) or do use a battery in very high power conditions, that are not buildable with up to 18 cells until you make some mistakes in gearing (18 cells is around 21 V under load, multiplied by 100 A That makes around 2,1 KW !!!!)
(the esc will not stand this power very long)

I was told that the ESC also has current and thermal protection on it thats suppose to work(or actually work) better than the old controllers. Either way as long as it doesnt burn like my other one I dont really care. Im going to be running the same setup as before but just with a better reciever pack. So everything should be fine. Plus the 9918 is suppose to come with a heatsink to.

I wont be using the BEC I have a big reciever battery to use instead that should supply the controller with more than enough current. Im going to be running the controller with a 4200 motor 12 cells in a TXT-1.

And BTW thanx for the help.

[felix]

how fast would my xxxt go with a lehrner 5300 basic motor?

[DualBL]

felix, shut up

[RadicalRustler]

Fast enough. Feel better now that your question has been answered?. I'd say 35-40/45 depending on gearing and batts

[CHEVYMAN07]

I have a couple of quick questions. How would the novak ss in a t3 compare to a xxx-nt sport in speed and performance on the track and off. And another question, does anybody know if you can buy the higher voltage motor when it comes out and use it with the novak brushless esc? Thanks again

[Zero2Sixty]

Still no motor or ESC. Not even a REPLY YET!!!! TC3 punk, you know whats up? thanks

[DualBL]

Chevy, if it's a wide open track, the SS wouldn't have a chance, but if it was tight, the Novak SS might be able to pull it off...
it's just not that powerfull compared to the bigger setups...

Zero, yes i know what's up. No, I'm not going to tell you. truth is, I don't like you.
j/p =)
i called and talked to Don on Fri, and he said that they got a "bunch" of em in (around 45 controllers), and sent out a batch on Thurs, and on Fri.
so you should have yours by mon.;)

[JonDax]

BJMFH,

Sorry about that--I may have only imagined I read that in my manual about silver solder. I swear I thought it was in there, but I just looked through mine again and didn't see it. I'm thinking the guy at Fine design told me that when I called and asked questions about hooking it up.

Anyways, if you used it this time you should be ok. I'm using mine with the 30A limiter too, just to play it safe.

I did notice though, that my Hacker warranty states they can change warranty at anytime, for any reason, so now that doesn't make me feel so secure. Knock on wood, and drive it like you stole it!
--JD

*Racing is life--anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

[Zero2Sixty]

thanks for the info Dual. I wish RRH had a phone # posted on their site, that would solve all my worries. I didnt get an e-mail confirmation for shipping from them, but im hoping they sent it out and are slow to send out confirmations.:rolleyes:

[BJMFH]

Originally posted by JonDax
BJMFH,

Sorry about that--I may have only imagined I read that in my manual about silver solder. I swear I thought it was in there, but I just looked through mine again and didn't see it. I'm thinking the guy at Fine design told me that when I called and asked questions about hooking it up.

Anyways, if you used it this time you should be ok. I'm using mine with the 30A limiter too, just to play it safe.

I did notice though, that my Hacker warranty states they can change warranty at anytime, for any reason, so now that doesn't make me feel so secure. Knock on wood, and drive it like you stole it!
--JD

*Racing is life--anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

It's cool dude; no need to apologize. They should put that in the manual though. I refuse to believe that I'm the only idiot out there that uses regular solder.

I don't think Hacker is some evil company. In fact, I'm very grateful that there are companies out there like Hacker that cater to speed freaks like us. I'm sure the Novak system is great, but I want something with b*lls. Hacker more than fullfils my speed requirements.

I do, however, think that Hacker isn't too big on honoring certain aspects of their warranty. It isn't comforting to know that they can change their warranty whenever they feel like it. That little statement provides them with the ultimate loophole. Yeah, they'll probably repair your equipment if it's a cheap or quick fix. Anything more invovled than that and you'll stuck with the bill. I guess it's the chance you take when you want more speed.

Novak, the few times I've dealt with them, has always had great customer service. They've honored their warranty every time. I've only had to pay for shipping. I hope they come out with a high performance brushless system. I'm not going to waste money on a maintenance free 12 turn.

I hope Hacker grows to be as big as Novak. Maybe then they can afford to repair faulty equipment. German engineering my *ss!:D

Next week my 1920/5 should come in, provided Rum Runners isn't having stock problems. I can't wait to strap that b*stard into my TC3. I can use my 5300 in one of my other cars.

[crono man]

Originally posted by BJMFH
It's cool dude; no need to apologize. They should put that in the manual though. I refuse to believe that I'm the only idiot out there that uses regular solder.

I don't think Hacker is some evil company. In fact, I'm very grateful that there are companies out there like Hacker that cater to speed freaks like us. I'm sure the Novak system is great, but I want something with b*lls. Hacker more than fullfils my speed requirements.

I do, however, think that Hacker isn't too big on honoring certain aspects of their warranty. It isn't comforting to know that they can change their warranty whenever they feel like it. That little statement provides them with the ultimate loophole. Yeah, they'll probably repair your equipment if it's a cheap or quick fix. Anything more invovled than that and you'll stuck with the bill. I guess it's the chance you take when you want more speed.

Novak, the few times I've dealt with them, has always had great customer service. They've honored their warranty every time. I've only had to pay for shipping. I hope they come out with a high performance brushless system. I'm not going to waste money on a maintenance free 12 turn.

I hope Hacker grows to be as big as Novak. Maybe then they can afford to repair faulty equipment. German engineering my *ss!:D

Next week my 1920/5 should come in, provided Rum Runners isn't having stock problems. I can't wait to strap that b*stard into my TC3. I can use my 5300 in one of my other cars.

actually i think hackers explanation is total BS,yes silver solder will make a improvement but NOT that much.If you used electronic solder and know how to solder correctly that should have been enough!
if temperatures are getting high enough to melt solder there is something wrong with their design what the hell hapened to thermal protection!?


just my opinion:)

[JonDax]

Originally posted by BJMFH


I don't think Hacker is some evil company. In fact, I'm very grateful that there are companies out there like Hacker that cater to speed freaks like us. I'm sure the Novak system is great, but I want something with b*lls. Hacker more than fullfils my speed requirements.

I do, however, think that Hacker isn't too big on honoring certain aspects of their warranty. Yeah, they'll probably repair your equipment if it's a cheap or quick fix. Anything more invovled than that and you'll stuck with the bill. I guess it's the chance you take when you want more speed.

I hope Hacker grows to be as big as Novak. Maybe then they can afford to repair faulty equipment. German engineering my *ss!:D


Yeah, i think you're right about taking chances when pushing the envelope for speed. I've been following some sports car groups as well, and while it seems that the Porsche Boxster is regarded as one of the best handling true sportscars out there, they are not without their reliability/mechanical issues as well. Someone was comparing a Boxster to the Miata, and the Miata seems a bit more reliable, but not up to par with the Boxster in contruction/handling. Kinda like the Novak vs. Hacker--German engineering might give the better performance, but maybe not the best reliablilty. Just be glad these high performance BL motors aren't made in Italy!! (oops, did I say that out loud?) I'm just kidding!!!:p
--JD

[dusterk]

Ok guys. I have read 45 pages of the many here. I have not found a solid answer yet. I have a tc3 and a stmpede. Thinking about a t3 truck. I want one system that will get me pretty good speeds but more torque for take off and corners. THe track we race is not very big so speed isnt that big of an issue. I would like to be faster than a mod brushed motor but dont need anything that gets 45mph+ that to me seems uncontrolabley crazy. For the pede a little more speed would be nice but I think I can acheive that with different gear ratio. So please inform me of what to get. I have a JRXR3 for a radio. I need to know what gear ratio would be a good choice and what kind of hopup parts needed so I dont break anything.

Thanks
Dusty

[crono man]

Originally posted by dusterk
Ok guys. I have read 45 pages of the many here. I have not found a solid answer yet. I have a tc3 and a stmpede. Thinking about a t3 truck. I want one system that will get me pretty good speeds but more torque for take off and corners. THe track we race is not very big so speed isnt that big of an issue. I would like to be faster than a mod brushed motor but dont need anything that gets 45mph+ that to me seems uncontrolabley crazy. For the pede a little more speed would be nice but I think I can acheive that with different gear ratio. So please inform me of what to get. I have a JRXR3 for a radio. I need to know what gear ratio would be a good choice and what kind of hopup parts needed so I dont break anything.

Thanks
Dusty

if youre staying 90% of the time with 6cells then get novak ss.
(for ratio recommendations see novaks website)

[RadicalRustler]

A 4200 would work good for that. You wouldn't have it the best in the tc3, but the pede would love it. Or take crono's advice and get the Novak. Either will work.

[dusterk]

I thought you guys have been saying that novak and orion are not that good compared to Hacker and the 2 others.

Dusty

[DualBL]

dusterk, yes, the SS isn't as powerfull as some of the hacker/lehner setups...

BUT, you said you just wanted more torque, and didn't need 45mph

so you will be happy w/ the SS;)

[BJMFH]

Originally posted by dusterk
I thought you guys have been saying that novak and orion are not that good compared to Hacker and the 2 others.

Dusty

It all depends on what you consider good. If you plan on racing at short, tight, courses purchase the Novak system. If you plan on breaking the sound barrier at your local parking lot, purchase something from Hacker or Lehner.

Yesterday I saw some guys running the Novak BL system in their touring cars at a small, carpet track. Their laps times remained consistent and no one had any kind of electrical problems (shorts, thermals, cogging). They performed very well and had plenty of power on tap. Everyone I've talked to who owns the Novak BL system is very pleased with their purchase. If I ever get into stock, off-road racing I might buy one.

I own a Lehner 5300 and a Hacker Competition (1920/5 on the way). Every time I go to a small, tight, course I'm overpowered no matter what the gearing. There aren't any large, on-road, gas tracks around my area so I'm forced to run at the parking lots. I'm more of a basher so I'm cool with that.

You also have to consider reliability factors. I you buy the Novak system from a hobby shop and it fails, you can promptly return it and get a replacement. Or they'll send it to Novak who has a reputation for excellent customer service. If anything ever goes wrong with some of the more exotic offerings, you'll have to send your equipment to some distant location. The whole ordeal will take at least a month and you have no guarantee that the company will even honor their warranty.

Price is also another issue to keep in mind. You can buy the Novak system from most places for around 250. 250 buys you the motor and the speed controller; you have everything you'll need to be up in running in a nice package. The Novak system does not require a receiver pack either. You can purchase a Warrior speed controller and a 4200/5300 for about the same price. But they generally require a receiver pack to eliminate cogging in most applications (I'm talking about the older Warrior models, I don't know how the newer software performs). But if you really want to get some crazy fast system, you'll be looking at spending at least 400. Plus all the extra money you'll be spending to beef up your car so it can handle the power.

You can buy brushless systems from either www.finedesignrc.com/
or
www.rumrunnerhobbies.com/
or your local hobby shop should have the Novak system in stock by now. Good Luck!

[CHEVYMAN07]

Would this be considered a tight track, medium track or a large track. I plan to race a team t3 with novak ss, xxx-nt sport, or lightning. I would just like to race reliably to. Well hopefully it shows up http://www.tfbraceway.com/pix/tfb_offroad.jpg

[k_sw31]

Well, from the looks of it, I would guess the novak would be a great match. :)

BTW, very nice track!

[crono man]

Originally posted by CHEVYMAN07
Would this be considered a tight track, medium track or a large track. I plan to race a team t3 with novak ss, xxx-nt sport, or lightning. I would just like to race reliably to. Well hopefully it shows up http://www.tfbraceway.com/pix/tfb_offroad.jpg

i think its more on the technical side

cool track btw:D

[dusterk]

Alright. Ill try the novak system first. Thanks to everyone that replyed. I appreciate it.

Dusty

[PatrickJ]

The instructions on the warrior says it will shut down when heated to 120 degrees celcius does it really happen or do the speed control blow?

[yf22k]

I've seen that most of them blow. The heat melts the solder that holds the IC's into the board and the heatshrink melts. It can get pretty messy and demeaning

[GWF]

I just received my Novak Brushless system. I don't ever just bash or perform speed runs. I just race 1/10 off road truck and buggy (mostly fair bite, occassionally a bit dusty on the outdoor track and HIGH BITE on the indoor track. I also race 1/10 4wd sedan (190 mm). All my racing is electric.

I placed my review in the Novak Brushless review thread. To say the least, I am very happy with it and it's characteristics. It's simply a wonderful product.

Gary

[Mr. Constructor]

To PatrickJ and yf22k

I haven´t had any trouble with the warrior series, even with 2 Hacker B 50 at one esc, no problem with overheating, normally the esc will be slowing down (getting less power to the Motor) whenm overheated, not a total hard brake, that will destroy every tranny, no, they will slow down, if treated right, the fet´s should be there when the esc is cutting down, nothing melted at all.
The only thing my one of my esc´s does, was to burn the heat shrink, but this was in an 18 cell powered 6th buggy with a top power of 1500 W !!
(that is overload for the esc off course, but when equipped with a good heatsink (additional self build thing) and some heat transfer tape, even this wasno problem, I´ve never had any heat problems that are not handable with a good heatsink !!

(Only some motors will get very hot, but if geared a little lower, the problem will not occur any more !!

But there is one other thing that i have to mention, don´t forget the screw lenght when screwed in !!!
(my Lehner special motor (special winding) was destroyed some weeks ago, maybe due to the too long screws, check this out at every Car you´re running Bl, these Motors will be destroyed much easier than other ones !! (was at least 250 USD Money loss with this Motor !!! :mad: )

[BJMFH]

Originally posted by Mr. Constructor
I´ve never had any heat problems that are not handable with a good heatsink !

I need to get a t-shirt with your quote printed on it. Heatsinks are like the duct tape of the BL world. :D

I am sorry to hear about your motor. It's never fun to waste money.

[CHEVYMAN07]

Thanks for your replys on the track. A couple of months ago nobody was there and it just got done raining and it was very muddy. I took my e-maxx up there and drove it around until it dumped. It was awesome, unfortunatly nobody was there to race so, but you could barely tell my truck was an e-maxx. Anyways, so you think the t3 with the SS would fair pretty good on the track compared to the xxx-nt sport? And which would you buy if you could buy just one. The lightning rr, xxx-nt sport, or t3 with SS brushless and aggressor radio? Thanks again

[Zero2Sixty]

I FINALLY GOT MY ORDER :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Lehner 5300 basic and Warrior 7018 but to my dismay, in all the weeks of waiting and preparing, I managed to loose my motor mount for the TC3 :(. But I dropped it in my T3 instead. All I can say is
:eek: WOW:eek: I have a few questions though. First, it would "jitter" to start up (kind of reminded me of starting my old nitro RS4 lol) and then it would take off. Is this the cogging? And last, are brushless usually this un-controllable (insane spin-out:p ) or does my car need work (havent used it in a year) I noticed the right wheel is getting more power (balloons insanely) could it be my slipper settings?

[PatrickJ]

The basics are incredible but are you using bec or a reciever pack?

[Zero2Sixty]

BEC, is what im experiencing (like at first it doesnt have enought power, then it finally takes off) cogging? I bought a RX pack, i just need to get a charger for it

[yf22k]

hmmm i did not like the warrior 7108. I ended up selling it and got a schulze 18.61. Much better throttle control and no cogging at the first trigger pull like the warrior.

The warrior hesitates like that because it is programmed to save your drivetrain. It prevents you from going to full throttle from a standstill. I can do this with my schulze and it spins all 4 wheels in my f201 hehe:)

The 5300 is a great motor. I think the T3 spins out a lot because its rear wheel drive if i'm not mistaken. My f201 tracks straight if have all 4 wheels peel out but i also have that set up almost perfectly.

IMO the warrior does not give you the greatest throttle control for a brushless controller. The schulze was a major improvement over the warrior. Its also a little smaller and has more functions.

Just my 2 cents

-Keith

[DualBL]

congrats Zero:D
i told you it'd be worth it lol
sounds like you need to rebuild your diff (one side might be sticky?)
yes, you are experiencing cogging...
try it with the RX pack, and if it still does that, drop 2 teeth on the pinion...

for me, a little cogging isn't that big a deal, even when I'm racing, cause as long as I'm not at a STOP, i can go WOT w/ my tc3 from like .001 mph:cool:

now you need to make a custom 10 cell pack, and see what that BL is all about!:p

[k_sw31]

Zero2Sixty- Try rebuilding your diff- new rings and carbide balls, you'll be even more pleased if it needs a rebuild. :cool:

You say your right wheel is ballooning much faster? Make sure nothing it to tight or scraping on your left wheel....

Beleive me, once you get a good all around setup, you will have lots of fun. :)

[FCTRYSEALD]

Been reading alot of great information from everyone and decided to put the new Novak BL in a brand new XXXT MF. I have been out of the hobby for 12 years, but I can still remember all the maintenance that comes with racing brushless motors. So I think this is the way to go. I do have two questions though

1. Will I be able race with a BL setup? Will they have to create a new class, or will I just race in the modified class?

2. Where can I get one? Everybody is out of stock.

Thanks.

[Soya v1.1]

Originally posted by yf22k
hmmm i did not like the warrior 7108. I ended up selling it and got a schulze 18.61. Much better throttle control and no cogging at the first trigger pull like the warrior.

The warrior hesitates like that because it is programmed to save your drivetrain. It prevents you from going to full throttle from a standstill. I can do this with my schulze and it spins all 4 wheels in my f201 hehe:)
The schulze was a major improvement over the warrior. Its also a little smaller and has more functions.

Just my 2 cents

-Keith

I have the 18.61 also. I love it, instant power:D

[yf22k]

:) Does anyone know if the new schulze car controller is out? or when it will be?

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by FCTRYSEALD
Been reading alot of great information from everyone and decided to put the new Novak BL in a brand new XXXT MF. I have been out of the hobby for 12 years, but I can still remember all the maintenance that comes with racing brushless motors. So I think this is the way to go. I do have two questions though

1. Will I be able race with a BL setup? Will they have to create a new class, or will I just race in the modified class?

2. Where can I get one? Everybody is out of stock.

Thanks.

Well, it depends on your track. Some will let you run BL in with the mods, others will make you run with the gas. So just check with your track owner and see what he'll do.

Towerhobbies is out of stock right now, but chances are they will get some in soon. I would go ahead and order one now and you should have one fairly soon. :)

[dusterk]

Been out of the hobby for a while..what can or should I upgrade on my pede so it can handle the novak. ON a few posts up when I asked which system to get a guys said it ran great buy he tore stom stuff up. Looked like he already had it modded up some so is there anything that would really work or just buy cheap parts and replace them everytime they break? Is a Pede a good truck or is a stadium truck better.

Thanks
Dusty

[k_sw31]

Well, I know of a guy who was running a novak in his pede. He had the regular hop ups needed- slipper, al idler gear, and better drive shafts (as well as 5x11 bearings).

He was running MIP CVDs, and he kept snapping the shafts, then tried stock sliders with steel yokes, he twisted the shafts there. He basically switched the novak out for a lower power brushed motor, he was breaking so many drive shafts.

I myself cant see how you could snap a CVD multiple times with a novak setup. Who knows, the guy may just have a personal problem. :rolleyes:

To me it sounds like a pede should be fine with the hop ups above...but then again I have never ran a novak to see what kinda power it has...

[yf22k]

With my Lehner Basic 5300/Schulze 18.61 setup in my f201 I've only stripped two spur gears completely. But that's the extent to the damage done to my drivetrain. I have just about every hop up for it.

I'm also wondering how that guy snapped so many cvd's with the novak setup.

-Keith

[Zero2Sixty]

well i made an adapter today so i can charge my RX pack, i guess I will try it out tomorrow. I am mad though that i lost my aluminum motor mount on my TC3, a new one cost $25, so i bought the plastic one for $8. I hate ignorant hobby shops. They saw the RX pack in my T3 and told me to take it out, that it is of no use in an electric. Then i TRIED to explain i need it for my brushless, and he tried to sell me the NOVAK, telling me it doesnt cog and would blow my "no-name" brushless away. :mad: :mad: HOW DARE THEY I know it doesnt cog, but my lehner 5300 basic a "no-name" brushless, being blown away by the SS. ignorant fools

[k_sw31]

My hobby shop couldn't even tell it was a brushless setup! :p

[DualBL]

HA!
zero, are they gonna let you race?
if they do, run the rx, and tell them that your (insanely fast) t3 need the RX;)

[R3VoLuTiOn]

HI GUYS! Im new to brushless motors etc. I currently have a 10/2 motor, with a 20T pinion in an 8:1 ratio, go figure. I want more speed, i dont wanna change brushes cut comms, do all that maintenence stuffs. I dont however, have too much money. I want a brushless system that would perform better than a reedy kr 9t on 6 cells. im 14, student, low income etc. help me out plz

[DualBL]

shoot...
for only 6 cells, I'm not sure what I'd recomend to beat a 9t kr...

bl STRIVES on rpms...
and with 6 cells you would most likely be dissapointed
not to say it's slow, but its' just INSANE when you add a few more cells...

[FCTRYSEALD]

Has anyone read any reviews about the Orion Vortex controller and BL motors? Or does anyone own this setup that could post a review?

[crono man]

Originally posted by R3VoLuTiOn
HI GUYS! Im new to brushless motors etc. I currently have a 10/2 motor, with a 20T pinion in an 8:1 ratio, go figure. I want more speed, i dont wanna change brushes cut comms, do all that maintenence stuffs. I dont however, have too much money. I want a brushless system that would perform better than a reedy kr 9t on 6 cells. im 14, student, low income etc. help me out plz

9t brushed motor speed on 6cells AND be inexpensive thats a tuff one!
unfortunatly i think youre out of luck.

ill give you some options anyways
1)the novak ss 240$(esc and motor)
12t performance on 6cell and i hear that on 7cells it equals a 10t motor.

2)hacker motor/esc combo(450$)
i think you will get 9t performance with the lowest turn hacker motor

sorry dude but theres no cheap AND 7-9t equivalent(that runs only on 6cells) bl system out yet!

the only thing thats coming is the novak "pro" version of their bl system which they say will equal 8-9t brushed motor on 6cells,but i think that will not be out for atleast another year!

[yf22k]

Originally posted by R3VoLuTiOn
HI GUYS! Im new to brushless motors etc. I currently have a 10/2 motor, with a 20T pinion in an 8:1 ratio, go figure. I want more speed, i dont wanna change brushes cut comms, do all that maintenence stuffs. I dont however, have too much money. I want a brushless system that would perform better than a reedy kr 9t on 6 cells. im 14, student, low income etc. help me out plz

What kind of car are you going to use it in? If its a touring car with 6 cels, I'd suggest a Lehner basic 5300. It has more than enough power for my uses.

If you have too much money y not send some this way!:D

[DualBL]

Originally posted by yf22k
If you have too much money y not send some this way!:D

I dont however, have too much money.
:rolleyes:

[yf22k]

oops i read that wrong lol...I think i read what i wanted to see lol...I didn't get any sleep last night :o

[crono man]

Originally posted by FCTRYSEALD
Has anyone read any reviews about the Orion Vortex controller and BL motors? Or does anyone own this setup that could post a review?

heres my take on the orion situation

i think they say that everybody was jumping on the sensorless bandwagon so they bought the controller from schulze and developed their own motor,now orion being more geared toward the racer they realized at the last minute that sensorless and 6cells dont mix to well for racing applications so imo they tried to reprogram the controller but coulnd get the controller to have zero cogging at 6cells.So now there up the creak without a paddle remember that orion buys its technology from other motor and controller builders.So they have three options

1)wait untill sensorless becomes smooth enough to race on 6cells(imo it will take another 2years at least if it EVER happens)

2)go sensored BUT aside form novak and aveox no other companies are making sensored systems and i really dont think novak will sell them controllers.

3)develop their own system which i think orion doesnt have the resources.

imho and i might eat my words,i think orion have screwed themselves bigtime and you wont see a bl system for atleast a year.
UNLESS they decide to do a emaxx kit that runs on 7+ cells then they could effectively use sensorless tech.

[PatrickJ]

Buy a lehner basic 4200 or 5300 and a warrior 7018 and use a reciever pack. Run like a 4: 1 gear ratio the runtime will not be that long but I garentee this will be much faster than a 9 turn Kr. The motors are very powerful. When a 9 turn puts out it max power at about 250 - 255 watts at about 70-75 amps the basic 4200 can put out 276 watts at 50 amps and the 5300 can put out 352 watts at about 67 amps on just six cells. These motors also have alot of torque and they will run much cooler than the regular brush 05's. Right now I am getting some insane speed on 6 and 7 cells in my bladerunner for the 05's to run as fast as I am getting you need 12 cells which will burn the motor out quickly and I haven't push my motor yet it runs cool.

[yf22k]

Hey I dont' really recommend the warrior controllers. They're bad with cogging. The schulze 18.61 is the way to go for a basic series motor.
just my 2 cents

-Keith

[DualBL]

omfg
after 2 months and about 2 weeks, my hyper7pro came!:rolleyes: :D

paid $230, and got the hyper7pro, with a WS7 with new sleeve and piston:o

so I'm gonna sell the ws7, and then I'll begin work on mod'ing it for dual basic 5300's:cool: :eek:

[k_sw31]

ahhh I get it, your tc3punk...was wondering where he went and where you came from :p

How many cells you gonna run per basic?
:cool:

[DualBL]

omg
you=slow!:p

plan is to run 10 cells per motor...

anyone wanna buy a RB Concepts WS7 Worlds motor with a new sleeve and piston?;)

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by DualBL
omg
you=slow!:p



Lol....you have no idea....:p

[crono man]

guys i have a favor to ask you

In the uk there a movement to get the BRCA(equivalent to our ROAR)to make BL legal!

heres the link to the forum were you cast your vote(i know you must register with the chat forum to be able to vote so i understand if you dont want to)

also i quick reply will be greatly welcomed!

thanks alot:)

heres the link
http://www.rcracechat.com/forum/index.php?board=8;action=display;threadid=692;star t=0

[JohnSheridan]

Originally posted by crono man
guys i have a favor to ask you

In the uk there a movement to get the BRCA(equivalent to our ROAR)to make BL legal!

heres the link to the forum were you cast your vote(i know you must register with the chat forum to be able to vote so i understand if you dont want to)

also i quick reply will be greatly welcomed!

thanks alot:)

heres the link
http://www.rcracechat.com/forum/index.php?board=8;action=display;threadid=692;star t=0



I second that fellas...A little support please :)

[RadicalRustler]

dualBL, i didn't no that either. And i'm not slow. Just thought tc3punk when on vacation or something w/o internet (or dial up like me)

And whoever was the one who didn't know if the new warriors cog - they do. My 7018 cogged just as much as my 4018. old 4018.


I might be selling my rustler so as to get money for a dual starter (10hp) dual car battery's (in parralel) tank style off road go-cart. So far price is at 2000$ (planned est) but expect it to go up to 3500$ before not making it.

[GWF]

It seems that I read somewhere in this forum that part of the problem with cogging had to do with voltage drop during the initial period of high amperage sent to a motor to start it turning (as well as the fact that the ESC doesn't know the position - direction of the armature).

If cogging is due to amp/volt drop, has anyone tried using a large capacitor to try to decrease momentary voltage drop?

[dont slow down]

hey guys, i am seriously considering buying the novak brushless motor setup for my emaxx. i do however have a few questions. if i buy the novak setup, do i need anything else to get it to run? or is everything i need right in the box? also i read a bit on this thread and i saw people talking about cogging. what is that? i plan to use my 2400 packs with this motor, 2 packs, will this be enough power? also do i have to make any modifications to my truck to install the motor, or is it a drop in installation? thanks for the help guys, i would read all the pages here, but there are like over 100, and im looking for some quick info. thanks guys.

[RCmaniac324]

dont slow down- I would NOT reccomend the Novak for an E-Maxx.......first of all, it probably wouldn't perform well in such a heavy truck, being designed for cars and stadium trucks. Second, it can only use 4-7 cells, so you wouldn't be able to use two packs anyway.

Get a setup from Hacker or Lehner...they'll perform well in the truck.

[JohnSheridan]

Yeah RC is right..The Novak system should be primarily used for things like racing and nothing big or heavy stuff like mass amounts power is needed...But you have to hand it to the novaks for being totally smooth even at ver low revs otherwise experienced with sensorless systems.

[crono man]

Originally posted by dont slow down
hey guys, i am seriously considering buying the novak brushless motor setup for my emaxx. i do however have a few questions. if i buy the novak setup, do i need anything else to get it to run? or is everything i need right in the box? also i read a bit on this thread and i saw people talking about cogging. what is that? i plan to use my 2400 packs with this motor, 2 packs, will this be enough power? also do i have to make any modifications to my truck to install the motor, or is it a drop in installation? thanks for the help guys, i would read all the pages here, but there are like over 100, and im looking for some quick info. thanks guys.

dude i have the novak bl and even thou i loved it in my xxx buggy i would not use it in a emaxx it wasnt designed for that application!
you would be better served with system made by hackers and lehner!

[BJMFH]

Does anyone here know what the deal with Rum Runners is? Last week I ordered a 1920/5 from them along with some gold plugs. I paid for next day shipping. I haven't been contacted by them at all (outside of the transaction approved email). I'm assuming they just don't have the motor in stock.

Are things usually like this when dealing with Rum Runners? How much time does it usually take for them to process an order?

[dont slow down]

thanks for the info guys, ill have to see what kind of deal i can get on a hacker setup. i was thinking novak cause i work at the lhs, and can get a 30% discount. the novak didnt seem too far out of price range with my discout. is there any websites you can give me so i can get some more info on the hacker setup? thanks for the reply guys.

[RCmaniac324]

hmmmm....I don't know a website for hacker, but you can find out about Lehner stuff at Rumrunnerhobbies.com . If you have a price limit and the Novak with a 30% discount wasn't "too far out of price range".......then you might want to start saving. A setup befitting a maxx from either Lehner or Hacker will cost a bunch more......about $300-400+ depending on the exact stuff you buy. Sorry to have to break that news to ya, b/c I too lacked money when I originally wanted a BL system and had to wait the better part of a half a year. :(

On a side note, if you aren't looking for something too insane, you COULD buy the Lehner Warrior 7018 conroller and Basic 5300 Motor...supposedly the new version of the Warrior has had a firmware change to eliminate all the little problems it had before (inacurate temp shutdown, cogging, etc.). I've heard of people using this setup in their Maxxes with success...you can use it with upto 8 cells by the limit they set, or I have heard of many using 10 cells with the one motor and having no problems. That setup would cost about $250...so that's not too far off the Novak I don't think, so I think it's your best bet if you're low on money... you just might need an Rx pack to eliminate any cogging the new firmware doesn't get rid of, but don't buy one untill the problem arises, b/c it might not. :p

Hope this helped. :)

[crono man]

dont slow down--heres the link to hackers u.s website

http://www.hackerbrushless.com/

[randomletterz]

dont get 5300 for maxx. get 4200 or 3100 atleast. i would get the 3100 and run 14 cells that would be fun for little money. or you could get a hacker B50 or C50(more expensive but more powerful). or your last move would be to get a lehner set up. either high turn 1920,1930, or 1940 if your really crazy...

[JonDax]

Originally posted by yf22k
Hey I dont' really recommend the warrior controllers. They're bad with cogging. The schulze 18.61 is the way to go for a basic series motor.
just my 2 cents

-Keith

Yeah, I agree. I don't understand why people say sensorless and 6cells cogs, cuz I have a schulze 58ce abd a Bacic 5300, no cogging at all with 6cells. Smoothest motor I've ever ran.

[Mike Haswell]

Originally posted by crono man
guys i have a favor to ask you

In the uk there a movement to get the BRCA(equivalent to our ROAR)to make BL legal!

heres the link to the forum were you cast your vote(i know you must register with the chat forum to be able to vote so i understand if you dont want to)

also i quick reply will be greatly welcomed!

thanks alot:)

heres the link
http://www.rcracechat.com/forum/index.php?board=8;action=display;threadid=692;star t=0

Don't bother - It is not a BRCA Forum and will not effect the outcome of things that are have been in progress for sometime.
The pole has been reset and locked to prevent it from being hijacked and rigged.

[crono man]

Originally posted by Mike Haswell
Don't bother - It is not a BRCA Forum and will not effect the outcome of things that are have been in progress for sometime.
The pole has been reset and locked to prevent it from being hijacked and rigged.

my intentions where not to "hijack" or "rig" the poling on your chat forums but to get rc'ers more involved in the BL discussion process.

[Mike Haswell]

Once the racers can see them being run and write-ups appearing in the mags (which they have yet to do in the UK) then we will probably get some more chat on the subject (hopefully some of it will be informed).
Why tell them to vote then?

[BigBobDeBlob]

i'm going to ask a question that has probably been asked several times before, but i really don't feel up to cruising through 110 pages of forums ;)

i wanna put a brushless motor system into my e-maxx. wut is a good system? rest of stuff i can figure out on my own, but i dun know where to start for motors...

[crono man]

Originally posted by Mike Haswell
Once the racers can see them being run and write-ups appearing in the mags (which they have yet to do in the UK) then we will probably get some more chat on the subject (hopefully some of it will be informed).
Why tell them to vote then?

ok maybe telling them to vote for bl was a mistake but i thought i was helping you guys over there get the BL mouvement rolling faster.
My mistake i will not get involved into any polling on bl stuff in the future on your website.

[crono man]

Originally posted by BigBobDeBlob
i'm going to ask a question that has probably been asked several times before, but i really don't feel up to cruising through 110 pages of forums ;)

i wanna put a brushless motor system into my e-maxx. wut is a good system? rest of stuff i can figure out on my own, but i dun know where to start for motors...

well one advice i can give you is NOT to put the novak brushless in a emaxx(its not strong enough)

sorry cant help you more then that as i only have experience with my novak ss but the other bl guys help you out!:)

[randomletterz]

i can pick up from there. what is your budget. you can go as big or as little as you want. lets start there.

biggest. either lehner 1940(if you want bigger then that just tell me) or hacker b50 XL both kick out about 2hp and you only need 1 to drive your maxx with controler set up would run about 500

medium.(but still crazy) 1920 or 1930. again only need 1 and set up would run about 500 again

littleest. basic 4200 with warrior. that would run about 250ish. just tell me what you want in the system and i tell yo whick one to get...

[Skribble]

Originally posted by randomletterz
i can pick up from there. what is your budget. you can go as big or as little as you want. lets start there.

biggest. either lehner 1940(if you want bigger then that just tell me) or hacker b50 XL both kick out about 2hp and you only need 1 to drive your maxx with controler set up would run about 500

medium.(but still crazy) 1920 or 1930. again only need 1 and set up would run about 500 again

littleest. basic 4200 with warrior. that would run about 250ish. just tell me what you want in the system and i tell yo whick one to get... I'm in the same boat ..

I'm looking for a setup cheaper than $300-350, but a little more powerful than stock, but not overkill where it's undriveable .. Mainly going to be used for racing on a 1/10 scale track.

[randomletterz]

in emaxx? or like a stadium truck?

[Skribble]

Originally posted by randomletterz
in emaxx? or like a stadium truck? My bad. E-Maxx (I have to get rid of my XXX for it). I'll probably be using the RaceBomb chassis too ..

[BigBobDeBlob]

i would like it to be powerfull enough to do some serious hill/rock climbing, yet still controllable enough to go race with.

and i can't spend more than $350...MAX...

[randomletterz]

emaxx is a bad festering ground for brushelss in my opinion it costs big bux just to upgrade for it to handle brushless. but for a system with 350 maxx i would go with basic 3600 XL ($150) with a warrior 9918($195) you can get the motor at rumrunnerhobbies.com and the controller at maximizerproducts.com. i hope that i helped.

[Soya v1.1]

I've only upgraded to rear CVD's, and I twisted the stock ones with the stock motor. Other than that, it's all stock. And I have a Hacker. And I run in really thick mud.

[randomletterz]

good for you.../

[PatrickJ]

The lehner basic xl should work fine whether the 3600 or the 4200.

[BigBobDeBlob]

well, i have CVD's all around, titanium (BIG ones...from lunsford) stuff...and i pland on getting some better gears for the drivetrain, as well as some engine cooling fins and add my own fan onto them.

would it just be cheaper and more effecient to get some of those 19-turn trinity monster-maxx motors?

[DualBL]

bigbob, i'd recomend a lehner basic 4200 motor and 7018 controller, cause it'd give you better than stock power, and you'd be able to upgrade to duals in the future for insane power if needed.

[BJMFH]

I want to start doing some 12 cell speed runs in my BL TC3. Does anyone here know where to purchase an AC charger that will charge at least 12 cells. I'm not interested in a DC charger; I don't feel like hauling some car battery around. I need something that I can plug into a normal outlet. It also has to have the ability for me to attach Dean's Ultra plugs to. No alligator clips for me.

[BigBobDeBlob]

ok thx guys

[ALB]

Hi, I just wanted to share my ride with you all.
I have a Losi triple X-4 with a Novak Super sport brushless system. I'm running a 22 tooth pinion with it, it accelerates verry well and I have an OK top speed. I was wondering if there is a way to get some more speed out of my car. I tried a 23 pinion but I didn't notice any change in speed.
To be honest I was expecting a little more speedwise from the motor, but I am verry happy with the system.

PS
I would recomend the XXX-4 to anyone who wants 8th scale preformance with 10th scale electric mantinance. ;)

[crono man]

Originally posted by ALB
Hi, I just wanted to share my ride with you all.
I have a Losi triple X-4 with a Novak Super sport brushless system. I'm running a 22 tooth pinion with it, it accelerates verry well and I have an OK top speed. I was wondering if there is a way to get some more speed out of my car. I tried a 23 pinion but I didn't notice any change in speed.
To be honest I was expecting a little more speedwise from the motor, but I am verry happy with the system.

PS
I would recomend the XXX-4 to anyone who wants 8th scale preformance with 10th scale electric mantinance. ;)

maybe you should try 7cells

[k_sw31]

7 cells would be a good idea and you should just double check that you are set to have unlimited rpms. :)

[DualBL]

bjmfh, either make a "Y" connector to connect 2 6cell packs in series, or look at http://www.integy.com for chargers;)