View Full Version : VOTE on Best racing Monster
spikevyxel
10-29-2003, 10:09 PM
Ok Guys, Pick the best racing Monster truck stock.
Savage
T-maxx
S-maxx ( sport maxx)
BFT
Dirt Demon
Mammoth
Savage 25
Savage SS
Terra Crusher
Help me out if i missed any
oh and feel free to post pics
:) :cool: :cool:
anothermbdusted
10-29-2003, 10:17 PM
Dominator
spikevyxel
10-29-2003, 10:18 PM
was that a vote or a correction
and remember the best RACING Monster truck
anothermbdusted
10-29-2003, 10:19 PM
thats a vote and a correction
spikevyxel
10-29-2003, 10:20 PM
alrighty 1 vote for the Dominator
lerningdriver
10-29-2003, 10:34 PM
kinda hard to tell without seeing the BFT and the Mammoth run, but i would say S-maxx ;)
HyperLosi
10-29-2003, 10:44 PM
are hybrids alloud? i would say the mugen hybrid other wise i would say dominator
spikevyxel
10-29-2003, 10:46 PM
No Hybrids
Just stock cars
So
S-maxx 1
Dominator 2
not.enough.toys
10-29-2003, 11:01 PM
Although I have only owned a tmaxx out of these, I would give two thumbs up for the Savage, both old and new. Truck's comparable to a 70's Caddy........plush.
Maseeh
10-29-2003, 11:03 PM
Smaxx, if it were modded to the 2 speed, but i would have to say the tmaxx, or the savage
spikevyxel
10-29-2003, 11:06 PM
their both great cars but you have to pick only one
joke_one
10-30-2003, 03:22 AM
i would have to say the dominator as well.
now ofna should make a truck based on the new violator. i mean its wider and longer, how could you go wrong when you put that to a MT.
Popop
10-30-2003, 07:17 AM
Ho Bao (http://www.hobao.com/) Dominator !
Muffinman
10-30-2003, 08:20 AM
i got to say savage ss
and AE bft mt
Maxxcrazy
10-30-2003, 04:19 PM
Savage SS
Were you joking when you said BFT?
shadowghost1
10-30-2003, 04:35 PM
The Dominator, hands down is the best overall racing monster.
morfracerX
10-30-2003, 05:09 PM
Dominator
This has to be the best thread i've read all week!!
spikevyxel
10-30-2003, 05:51 PM
ok so hands down it seems that the dominator wins.
But i have to ask why a t-maxx won teh Maxx challenge
A dominator won 2nd
correct me f i wrong
majikmike
10-30-2003, 06:24 PM
T-MAXX!!!:cool:
Gen. Salsa
10-30-2003, 07:39 PM
its called driving skill
when it all comes down to it very very few people here on these forums are able to exploit the performance difference between any of these vehicles on a track...
what difference does it make if one vehicles suspension is much more finely tuned to transfer the weight smoothly during a turn if you are running into walls!!
What difference does it make if one has a higher top speed if you can't even get on the straight aways without flipping your vehicle....
A good truck will not compensate for bad driving skills period.. Brian Kinwald would kick all your asses driving a blackfoot....
Moral of the story: buy the most durable, dependable truck you can... most of you will probably need it
liquidmetal77
10-30-2003, 07:58 PM
Dominator
OFNA even advertizes it as a racing truck
Driving skill isn't going to do anything for you if you flip in the corners.
Dominator
I smoke every MT at the track with mine, even RB C5 Savages! I run a RB WS7 and I have done minimal mods to my actual truck. I actuallly still have the short shocks up front! Nothing comes close to the Dom.
I have owned TWO T-Maxxes. The old one and the new 2.5. I had my 2.5 tuned GREAT, but it still was too weak. The whole truck is weak compared to the Dom. I have only broken one part on my Dom after a gallon, and that's a rear arm. I landed horribly and I have jumped this truck tougher and higher than any other RC I have ever had. It's the truck to get!
spikevyxel
10-30-2003, 09:47 PM
i am truly suprised. Down here in Tucson , AZ The Dominator is unheard of. i think that could change once i get mine
So as of this moment The Dominator is ahead with an astonishing lead.
thanks for your votes guys
WS7er
10-30-2003, 10:12 PM
Add another dominator to the list.
BOWTIE1
10-31-2003, 03:49 AM
i would have to say EK4 or t-maxx
hueyracer
10-31-2003, 02:51 PM
I haven't owned one but I have raced against several and since we cannot vote for nonfactory built hybrids. I'll have to vote for the Dominator all though a JT Mugen woops it's A$$. Huey
QUAKE&SHAKE
10-31-2003, 04:07 PM
CEN MT2
Been reading of it in stock form kicking mod mt's butt.
WS7er
10-31-2003, 04:18 PM
A ek4 isn't a good racre. It would just be wheelieing all over the place. You'll be flipping over alot also because of the emense power of the .70.
Bansheeman
10-31-2003, 06:10 PM
MONSTER GT
Maxxcrazy-Don't bash the MGT. I doubt you even have one.:o
Sam Rothstein
10-31-2003, 06:44 PM
Savage SS
And yes Ive seen and driven one and will probibly be selling my MGT to buy it!
Are the rules that you have to own the truck your voteing for?
Bansheeman
10-31-2003, 06:56 PM
Don't blame the MGT for you mistakes.
not.enough.toys
10-31-2003, 07:57 PM
No hybrids, right? Well isn't the Dominator a hybrid. I know that it is sold as a racing monster truck, but it is still a 1/8 buggy with big wheels.
Frapechino
10-31-2003, 09:04 PM
CEN MT2 even though it wasn't on the list!!!!!!!!!!:)
you know it quake and shake!!!!!!!
Not.enough.toys - No, it's not a Hybrid. It comes from the factory as a Dominator. Hybrids have two different cars combined. The Dominator is changing the wheels and spur gear, that's about it, aside from bumpers and the same shocks and towers.
Maxxcrazy - I raced the Savage SS. The stock suspension has ZERO settings to adjust. With the power of the new engine, it is constantly flipping in the corners. The Savage is NOT a race truck at all.
The BFT is more of a race truck than the Savage anyway. It has multiple suspension settings which allows you to customize everything on the suspension.
Must I also mention the T-Maxx and Terror Crusher are NOT racetrucks either? The S-Maxx? Handles worse than all of them! I have driven one. Good tires might help, but not enough. The only race trucks are the Dominator and the GS truck.
Dirt Demon? I can't remember what that is!
The Savage 25 RTR? Same thing as the Savage 21 RTR and Savage SS.
Cen 30? It's a Savage look-a-like! TVP and all! It's a clone of a clone!
Let's not forget the XTM truck. It will be an extreme competitor and will probably be the closest competitor with the Dominator - STOCK.
Also, remember that with the Dominator, there are certain things you have to do first before you start to "raunch" on it. I am talking about the shimming the diffs, getting the steel dogbones, and the longer drive cups. Actually, that should be all.
Popop
11-01-2003, 05:36 AM
Wel said GTX !
Could you just explain more about the drive cups ? I'll quickly be concerned as a Dom owner ...
Popop
R/C SAGA (http://rcsaga.com)
not.enough.toys
11-01-2003, 08:08 AM
Oops, my bad. The Dom is not a hybrid, it just has a chassis,suspension, drivetrain similar to a 1/8 buggy only with bigger wheels/tires. It's a FACTORY hybrid. The other trucks' chassis bear no resemblance to a 1/8 buggy. And the GS truck.....another FACTORY hybrid!
QUAKE&SHAKE
11-01-2003, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by GTX
Cen 30? It's a Savage look-a-like! TVP and all! It's a clone of a clone!
So, big deal, the Dom is just a clone too!
Bansheeman
11-01-2003, 08:55 AM
I'd have to say the MGT is a race truck. It has almost al of Æ's race winning features. Like adjustments, almost zero bump steer, and a super trany.
Originally posted by QUAKE&SHAKE
So, big deal, the Dom is just a clone too!
A clone of what? The Monster Pirate? LMAO!!! There was NOTHING before the Dominator and Monster Pirate! Monster Blazer? Almost the same thing, but with some problems. The Dominator is not a clone, get real.
Drive cups for the Dominator - the stock drive cups are a little short and your dogbones might fall out. Get two pair and put them on the diff output shafts. You will also need the steel dogbones. All this should be less than $50, and you will have a good Dom. The only thing left to do is shim the diffs.
Link to drive cups - http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCAL8&P=7
(the ones that come stock are part number 18009
Link to dogbones - http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBZP6&P=7
(stock ones are that cheap grey aluminum stuff and are the same price!)
Also, to ensure that the rear dogbones don't come out, put a small piece of fuel tubing in the outer (sometimes called lower) drive cup. This is the drive cup that is connected to the hex and wheel. If you do this, it forces the dogbone up and into the top drivecup and it won't fall out. You need to do this even if you get the longer drive cups. I haven't had a dogbone fall out since!
Freedom
11-01-2003, 03:10 PM
I vote the Ofna Titan Deluxe and the T-Maxx 2.5. I have both and they rock in stock form!!!
Viperrgh2
11-01-2003, 03:11 PM
for racing.. s-maxx
Popop
11-01-2003, 05:15 PM
OK Gtx, I'll go for them next ... In automotive industry they also use inexpensive springs in such kinematic ... Tamiya uses to add some donuts joints too.
Frapechino
11-01-2003, 07:00 PM
I'm not talking about a CEN 30, I'm talking about the cen MT2 the little guy...that thing has been screwing over soupped up t-maxxs and savages since day one.....:( ...And i have one and its a little beast...heres a pics of a stock one....
http://www.cenracing.com/cars/ff/pic/mtnaked.jpg http://www.cenracing.com/flashbody/ff390.jpg
not.enough.toys
11-01-2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by GTX
A clone of what? The Monster Pirate? LMAO!!! There was NOTHING before the Dominator and Monster Pirate! Monster Blazer? Almost the same thing, but with some problems. The Dominator is not a clone, get real.
Drive cups for the Dominator - the stock drive cups are a little short and your dogbones might fall out. Get two pair and put them on the diff output shafts. You will also need the steel dogbones. All this should be less than $50, and you will have a good Dom. The only thing left to do is shim the diffs.
Link to drive cups - http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCAL8&P=7
(the ones that come stock are part number 18009
Link to dogbones - http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBZP6&P=7
(stock ones are that cheap grey aluminum stuff and are the same price!)
Also, to ensure that the rear dogbones don't come out, put a small piece of fuel tubing in the outer (sometimes called lower) drive cup. This is the drive cup that is connected to the hex and wheel. If you do this, it forces the dogbone up and into the top drivecup and it won't fall out. You need to do this even if you get the longer drive cups. I haven't had a dogbone fall out since! Sounds like a lot of work to make a " racetruck" raceworthy. Is that why you are selling your " racetruck"?
If you look at my ad I am working on a 1:1 project. It runs great and I have a blast driving it, but I have some bigger projects to complete.
I can't race anymore anyways. I work all day Sunday and they switched back to Sunday racing. So it's bashing only for me anyway. I need something with some ground clearance.
Plus, in my opinion, MT's weren't mean to race. That's why I plan to get a T4 and race it (if I ever get a Sunday off!).
jdm3849
11-02-2003, 12:01 AM
Dominator.
QUAKE&SHAKE
11-02-2003, 08:10 AM
The DOM looks like the 1/8 Kyosho Inferno ST, from the early 90's, just with bigger tires. Meaning just like every 1/8 scale buggy before it. There is no new design on the dom everything on it is cloned from an earlier buggy.
DCLXVI
11-02-2003, 01:41 PM
Kyosho released their USA-1 Nitro Crucher in '91 or '92...it is the EXACT same thing as the Dominator...this whole clone war is silly...who cares if one truck is simmilar to the other one...all of them has four wheels anyway...
The important thing is that we have a wide variaty of trucks to choose from...
Originally posted by QUAKE&SHAKE
The DOM looks like the 1/8 Kyosho Inferno ST, from the early 90's, just with bigger tires. Meaning just like every 1/8 scale buggy before it. There is no new design on the dom everything on it is cloned from an earlier buggy.
How is it a clone if they took their own parts off their other buggies and made a truck?
That's like saying a Dune Buggy is a clone from a VW. If you make something from the parts of one car, it's not a clone, it's just a mod. If you take parts from two cars, then it's a Hybrid. If you look at the T-Maxx and want some of the cash flow and make a whole new truck, THEN it is a clone!
Those are the definitions for mod, hybrid, and clone.
When the word "clone" is used in the Monster Truck world, they are most likely referring to a design somewhat based on the T-Maxx. This has nothing to do with a truggy or anything like that.
I think you have your wording wrong. How can you make a clone of the T-Maxx when it hasn't come out or been designed yet? The Monster Pirate was designed way back when and THEN Ofna updated it to compete with the T-Maxx and make it more reliable.
I think you guys need to classify the chassis correctly.
Trucks like the T-Maxx, Savage, Titan, BFT, and the Terra Crusher are what I consider monster trucks (some of you are going to cry foul and say that real monster trucks are like the TXT-1, Mad Force, or XTM X-Factor, to which I say that these are realistic monster trucks) while trucks like the Monster Pirate/Dominator, USA-1, EK4, and such are truggies. Truggies are basically buggies that have been converted into monster trucks. The trucks listed are factory-made truggies while truggies like the JT conversion for the Mugen XR-Works buggy are spawned from the aftermarket.
Having said all that I would have to cast my vote for the Dominator for a racing truck. If you count out the truggies then I would vote for the BFT despite having never seen one in real life (the Savage does not have any adjustments to the suspension, something that I feel is essential for racing).
DCLXVI
11-03-2003, 06:44 AM
It is a bit pointless to count out the "truggies" as not MT when they are simmilar enough to the "lowerd diff" MT's (T-Maxx, Titan ect) when compared to the solid axel MT's...then we also have the TVP chassi such as the Svavage and some older Tamiya kits...
I'm not saying that the T-Maxx style trucks aren't MT's but if the truggies souldn't be counted as such, the T-Maxx style sould not be either...
2 cent deposited...
QUAKE&SHAKE
11-03-2003, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by GTX
How is it a clone if they took their own parts off their other buggies and made a truck?
This is exactly what makes it a clone . How so? The ofna buggy parts were cloned fron inferno/burns/mp5 buggies, they copied the design of kyosho buggies.
You said the cen.30 was a look-a-like clone because the chassis "looks" some what like a savage yet the chassis of the dom "looks" just like any other buggy chassis so in your own meaning then it makes the dom a clone.
morfracerX
11-03-2003, 04:39 PM
every car looks like every other car, the mugen ST looks like a hacked up LOSI XXX-NT the new kysho looks like the offspring from a GT and XXX-nt love fest. no one makes their own cars anymore it's all a pcik a part contest to see who can come up with the best monster.
I dont have a problem with colnes as long as they imporve on the base, otherwise what was the point? it's kind of like re-making a song if they improve then good for them but if they fail to improve then they should be burned alive.
Frapechino
11-03-2003, 04:43 PM
burned...whoa this is getting personal....lol......:D
Originally posted by morfracerX
every car looks like every other car, the mugen ST looks like a hacked up LOSI XXX-NT the new kysho looks like the offspring from a GT and XXX-nt love fest. no one makes their own cars anymore it's all a pcik a part contest to see who can come up with the best monster.
EXACTLY! Thank you! That is what I am trying to say. All the 1/8 buggies are the same now. The only reason you call the Dom a clone is because you were around long enough to see that they were once very different.
The Dom isn't a clone. They took their own parts and made it. Clones are made by looking at the designs of another truck (which there weren't any at the time) and making something similar to that design.
Ofna took their own parts and made the MP. Kyosho has a completely different design for the USA 1, I would know, I have had two of them. The suspension is completely different and so is the drivetrain. The USA 1 actually has two main gears.
Also, the Monster Blazer was out at around the same time as the USA 1. The reason it didn't have much success was because of it's gearing. It had stock gearing and huge tires. That's the only reason.
If the MP was a clone, it would have 8 shocks and two main gears, etc etc. Why didn't Kyosho update the USA 1? I wonder why that is....
Skribble
11-03-2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by spikevyxel
ok so hands down it seems that the dominator wins.
But i have to ask why a t-maxx won teh Maxx challenge
A dominator won 2nd
correct me f i wrong The Dominator won 1st place on it's debut a while ago in the Outlaw class, not to mention he was going up against Robin's Razorback which isn't even a T-Maxx .. It's a finessed racing monster. And what was the price difference between that T-Maxx that beat the Dominator? 1-3 grand. Not bad for a nearly stock vehicle.
Voting for Dominator. But it all comes down to driving skill, mentioned earlier in the thread.
hueyracer
11-05-2003, 06:08 PM
This has been an intresting thread but I think the question should have been more clearly stated. MT racing has taken off in the last couple years and there should be more standardized classes for MTs. This would end some of the fighting over what is and what is'nt a MT. Here are the rules for the R/C Pro series races I race in, covering the MTs.
Production Monster Truck Class
Any 1/10th or 1/8th Scale Monster truck, that has an engine no larger than a .15 in size.
The R/C Pro Official at each race will have the final say so in what class a monster truck should be placed in.
Must resemble a Monster Truck.
Unlimited Monster Truck Class
Any 1/10th or 1/8th Scale Monster truck, that has an engine .18 or larger in size.
Must resemble a Monster Truck.
According to these rules I could run my JT-tmaxx with a RB .15 big block in production MT.
Just my $.02, Huey
Maxxcrazy
11-05-2003, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Bansheeman
MONSTER GT
Maxxcrazy-Don't bash the MGT. I doubt you even have one.:o
Exactly, I don't. I doubt you have another monster besides the MGT.
It was built to T Maxx standards, which are outdated now in the Monster Truck world. The Savage (which was released at the same time) is a lot better at everything including racing. At 14lbs, a cheap .18 engine is not enough.
The Sport Maxx is a joke. They advertise it as a race truck but its not. Just becuase of a few ounces. In racing, 2wd sucks. The acceleration is bad, grip is bad, cornering is bad. If you don't believe me, drive a 4wd truck.
DCLXVI
11-06-2003, 03:47 AM
At 14lbs, a cheap .18 engine is not enough
Weren't you talking about the MGT? It has a .21...
Frapechino
11-06-2003, 04:29 PM
I still say the MT2 check out this article....
Go down the page to the Cen MT2 part...
Cen MT2 (http://www.rccaraction.com/rc/articles/proline_nitroch2.asp)
Information Man
11-06-2003, 11:03 PM
Dominator
nothing even comes close !!
motionmachine
11-20-2003, 08:47 PM
I race an old Ultra GT conversion I call the MB-GT. It just under 9 pounds fuel'd (as shown). I fix'd the gearing issue familiar to the MB using a MP spur gear and a solid center spool. So far I haven't found a track that justifys using a 2 speed, Im usually pushing 2 speeds down the back stretch as it is :)
I could shead nearly 2 pounds if I replace the Aluminum wheels and remove the cage but so far I haven't needed to "go all out", even with all the new contenders. They have more "bling" but my MB-GT has more sting :lol :lol :lol
http://perfplusparts.netfirms.com/MBCagesd1.jpg
Its track record should speak for itself, 10 races, 6 checker'd flags.
Racer Rob
11-21-2003, 12:14 PM
Like said, for monsters theres really 3 classes:
Truggy: I too would have to vote for the Dom, and with the Pro-Line suspension they are sick! (My boss has one like that)
Monster Truck: I would say the T-Maxx with the forward only kit. Sick engine, adjustable, easy to work on in a hurry. I haven't seen a Savage or a MGT run though. The Tamiya TNX looks like a good truck for racing as well. Just have to see how it runs.
Realistic Monster: I would say the Kyosho Mad Force. Nothing like hearing that 3 speed shift. But don't think about racing it.
I am going to be building up a truck over the winter for the 2004 season. Still trying to decide what to get, but the Tamiya TNX is looking like a good choice so far. Its on top of my list as of now.
:cool:
super_maxx
11-23-2003, 01:00 AM
put me down for the OFNA DOM!best thing ever made after the proline kit came out!
spikevyxel
11-23-2003, 11:13 PM
OK, Truggies are NOT monster trucks. have you ever seen a real monster truck that has a chassis 1 foot above the ground. same thing with the RC cars. A truggy has the chassis like and inch aove the ground. sure its good for racing but its not a monster truck. Prosecution rests
Oh and sorry about the non specifics in the starting thread.:(
DCLXVI
11-24-2003, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by spikevyxel
OK, Truggies are NOT monster trucks. have you ever seen a real monster truck that has a chassis 1 foot above the ground. same thing with the RC cars. A truggy has the chassis like and inch aove the ground. sure its good for racing but its not a monster truck. Prosecution rests
Oh and sorry about the non specifics in the starting thread.:(
I've never seen a real MT with flat pan style chassie either so that takes the T-Maxx and a few others out as well in that case...
That leaves the X-Factor, Savage and Mad Force/Armor for nitro and TXT-1, ClodBuster and some others for the elecs...
But on the comp, I have to say USA-1 NC since that is the only one I've seen run but if I were to buy one I'd get an EK-4...(and I'm planning to)...