Serpent 710 Nitro Touring Car

[StevePond]

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/serpent/serpent710.jpg


Many racers have awaited Serpent’s new contender for the nitro touring class for some time, and now it's upon us - the all-new S-710. The S-710 is scheduled to be available in early December but Serpent has decided to reveal the new 710 to show some of the unique features of this brand new car.

The S-710 is a complete new platform. The design team felt that the Impulse/705 platform was already stretched to the limit performance wise, and that they had to start with a clean sheet of paper. And that’s exactly what they have done. The S-710 has been under development for over 2 years now, resulting in a highly advanced top level racing car loaded with well tested innovative technical features.

Stay tuned for more information...

[kakolitoy]

an email from Ronald Baar about this kit. Hopefully this would not be a totally different car like the Mugen MTX 3 and 2. For me, the 705 is great kit already. What else would they do to get the performance they need. I saw the rear bulkhead, rollbar etc. is kind of different. They also took the spacer out. Honestly, in the 200 mm serpent has the kit that does not have an adjustment on the rear camber, unless you change the spacer. I like that option compared to any kits. I would to see one of this kits in action. Finally, they came up with a new clutch Centax Gen III. Is this true? or they just replaced another bearing on the Centax Gen II

[Saboteur]

Great to see the post already started Steve. :) I cant wait to see the chassis.

[fastharry]

http://gasrccar.com/serpent%20710/front.jpg


New features (front)
Some of the features of the new 710:
Front-
- quick change system for front transmission; you can change from front shaft, to differential or solid axles in a few minutes only
- front blocks with integrated belt-tension adjusters (eccentric)
- same length wheel-axles and drive-shafts front and rear
- re-inforced, long wishbones
- center shaft servo-saver system with adjustable spring-tension and Ackermann
- integrated mounting position for personal transponder
- adjustable steel track-rod

[fastharry]

http://gasrccar.com/serpent%20710/rear.jpg

New features (rear)
- new geometry up-rights with high upper mounting position; adjustable camber and toe-in
- re-active rear suspension
- re-inforced, long wishbones; lower rear suspension arms with 2 mounting postions for the anti-roll bar and shocks
- adjustable rear ball-differential with easy external diff-adjustment
- quick change system for rear transmission; you can change from differential (standard) to solid axle in a few minutes
- rear blocks with integrated belt-tension-adjusters (eccentric)
- easy to use adjustable roll-center through nylon pivot inserts
- same length wheel-axles and drive-shafts front and rear
- rear right bracket with new brake-position, creating better cooling
- disk-brake with steel disk and plates and excellent friction brake-material; cam-operated with auto-return spring-system
- carbon fibre upper rear plate

[fastharry]

http://gasrccar.com/serpent%20710/centertop.jpg

New features (centre section)
- carbon fibre side-plates with integrated ball-raced belt-tensioner
- lower engine mounting position
- side-mounted receiver position with protection case
- 75ccm fueltank with integrated filter, AFL-fuelcap and with special shape for low CG and rubber-mounted
- battery-pack mounted below fueltank, easy access through chassis-plate (battery not included)

[fastharry]

I got those pictures off of winners circle RC......

http://gasrccar.com/


Lee's a good guy.........and he's taking preorders...give a call..

[talon51]

Serpent just put info on this car up on their website on Friday (11/14/03).
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=3293

Its got some sweet features, I'm really interested in how the Dynamic Rear Steering works. Hopefully we can get a review of this car really soon. I was sure I was going to get an MTX-3 until I saw this car was coming out...

[BRT]

I just post it in nitro forum, you have more detailed photos in www.cochesrc.com

[POKeY]

Hi-

I have pre-ordered my 710 and was wondering if anyone had a link to a page that walks you through the process of how to propperly build the 5 cell battery pack for the car.

Just to let you know, I have never built a battery pack before, but would like to learn. I have acess to all the needed equipment... i.e. soldering iron, connectors, etc... I just need instuctions to walk me through everything.

I'm looking forward to this kit. I've raced a kit version NTC3 for a while now and love the car, but recently I began racing on a LARGE sweeping track and think the 710 should perform nicely on it. Plus, I've been wanting to try something new, lol.

The 710 definately appears to have a lot of potential.

Any info on the battery build would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance-

jeremy

[talon51]

Anyone know the exact release date on this car?

[dude]

Hi Steve, sorry, not about the 710 but have tried to contact you through admin and mag with no luck. I am after any info on the nitro dyno you use in the reviews, what type it is, how much and can I buy one. Have built one out of an old elec fanton dyno which has it's limitations.
Any help would be appriciated.
Please email me.
Thanks

[MiCkLe207]

Please don't be biased...
I'm going to buy an on-road r/c and I'm going to decide between these two on feb 2004.
Which car is better? the Kyosho V-one RR Evo or the Serpent 710?
I'm looking for the following:
-reliability
-durability
-speed
-handling
-performance

btw, Here in Bangkok, Thailand it's easier to get kyosho parts, although serpents are also available, but a bit more difficult to find.

When is Kyosho coming out with a newer car?

[Saboteur]

Originally posted by MiCkLe207
Please don't be biased...
I'm going to buy an on-road r/c and I'm going to decide between these two on feb 2004.
Which car is better? the Kyosho V-one RR Evo or the Serpent 710?
I'm looking for the following:
-reliability
-durability
-speed
-handling
-performance

btw, Here in Bangkok, Thailand it's easier to get kyosho parts, although serpents are also available, but a bit more difficult to find.

When is Kyosho coming out with a newer car?

The VoneRR Evo is a well proven vehicle. I would go with that for now since its easier to get parts. As for a new kyosho onroad nitro, I dont know. May not be any time soon. They already have 3 great onroad nitro sedans.

[MiCkLe207]

I dunno... I'm very indecisive and the info on the Serpent 710 makes it so tempting to buy!!!!!

[Saboteur]

Hearing good info about an new rc is a good thing. Trying to find parts for it, especially when they aren't easily accessible isn't. ;)

[sebtarta]

Hello all, got the 710 in my hand, will post pictures later as I go building the car. It has more manuals than a 1/1 car, but as usual Serpent and their details on the manuals are fantastic. the car has more options for fine tuning than a 1/8th car, and believe you me its looks 10 times easier than the 705 or the Impulse in the way of building.
I will keep you posted later on with the pics.
Good luck, :)

[sideways]

Hi everyone.

I am getting a 710 soon with the money I've saved from my part time work. I had a HPI R40 before and I am quite dissapointed (build quality and weight issue), so I decided to change to Serpent. Have anyone assembled the car? Coz I have a few questions;


Looking at the pics, the receiver box seems quite small... Can it accomodate larger receiver such as the JR's XS3 synth receiver (RS300 if I'm not mistaken)?

Is there any site that offers battery building tips for the 710?

Have any of you guys have any idea what does the dynamic rear steering do / how does it work? Is it the same as 4 wheel steering?

Do you guys know where can I get aftermarket parts for Serpent? (Like Kawahara for Mugen Seiki, etc).


Thanks in advance for the reply.

[Boxxer]

The build quality and fit and finish are second to none. I just finished mine about 2 weeks ago. I cant wait to get it on the track.

The rear steering thing works as the rear suspension moves through its range of travel. Its not really the same as 4WS as its passive until the rear suspension moves up or down. It is adjustable through the inboard mounting location of the link just infront of the lower rear suspension arms. You can set it up so it has alot, or little effect(or none, i think) on the rear end. Its gonna be fun to play with and hopefully effective, but I cant say yet as I havent gotten any track laps in.

About the receiver mount. Yea, its tiny . You will probably have to trim/modify the mount for a larger receiver.

The battery is the same that was in the 705, its 4 across and one ontop. You need to make the shrink wrap tight or it will end up holding the gas tank up a few MM's(a bad thing). I ended up having to redo mine.

I havent found a site with battery pack building tips(but I didnt look) and its pretty straight forward anyway. From the side it looks like this.

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The gas tank keys into the space just above those first 3 cells and gets tight right at the inside corner.

Ok, hope some of that helps. I think youll enjoy the 710 alot, I know I am. There is a wealth of info on the MyTsn forum as well.


The shocks are cool too, even for plastic bodys(just make sure you deburr the piston and dampening plate well.). They are externally adjustable for dampening and you can feel a "click" as you turn them. Good stuff.
Later

PS on the spare parts thing. Ive already bought a few. Items like the dog bones, half shafts, ball links, etc are are the same on all 4 corners.... Plus, if you keep it off the boards, you wont need that many in the first place.:p

[sideways]

Thanks for the reply Boxxer!

POKeY, as for the battery building sites, I couldn't find any that helps to build packs for the Serpent cars. Most of them are for electric cars (sub C). But anyway, since the technique is the same I suppose it is applicable. Here is the link:

http://www.rccaraction.com/rc/articles/build_battery.asp

http://www.rccentral.com/guides.asp?ATCL_ID=51&PAGE_NUM=147

Cheers.

P.S. : Any idea where I can get those shrinking wraps?

[Boxxer]

No prob.

I just looked at those links. Thats pretty much it in a nutshell. Its really easy. Probably the most important thing is having a decent soldering iron.. I have that same ungar(from my old pan car racing days.) If you buy one just to make this pack, it probably wouldnt pay for itself unless you made something like 20 packs for your friends.

Shrink wrap is at any real hobby shop. Once you have some, youll find a bunch of uses for it.

Later

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

Hey everyone,

I recently heard about the new 710, and it looks pretty sweet. But 1 question: its a 1/10 200 mm NTC, correct? I was confused cuz Serpent has a 705, an 835, and a 950 (or 905, not sure)

If it is a legal NTC, how would you say it fares compared to the HPI R40? I was so stinkin close to gettin the R40 it was actually funny, but now that I have seen this it looks pretty nice. From a post on the NTC 3 thread it looked like the shocks (at least on the front I think) were positioned horizontally instead of vertically, is this true? Or was this a pic of the 950? (my computer is having troubles loading the pics on this thread)

And, does anyone know about the base price of this (I assume it will be kit only)

I want to get into competitive nitro racing, so I was wondering how efficient a car you think this is?

[Boxxer]

Its a 1/10 200mm.

The shocks are more laid down than they are straight up.

Price of the kit is about 340-4hun depending on where you look.

Its killer for racing. Put it on your list of chassis to buy.

Later

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

I had one more question (thanks for answering the others Boxxer).....

Someone in a post above this one said they were interested in seeing how the "dynamic rear steering" works, what the heck is this? I doubt that it means the rear tires turn too, since that would be to complicated for a little TC. I suppose it means something about the rear end entering a turn better than other TC rear's....can someone clarify?

I got the pics to load properly, and this thing looks sweet!

[POKeY]

HPI fan... the dynamic rear steering is basically "bump" steer in the rear. Normally bump steer is an unwanted thing up front, but Serpent has it set-up so you can have more toe-in when the suspension is compressed entering turns, exiting turns, or you can set the rear at the nuetral settings where there will be no change in toe settings.

The 710 is definately a winner. I haven't finished breaking-in my new engine in yet so I haven't had a chance to race it yet. But I have seen about four 710's run in a race a couple weeks ago and I was definately impressed.

Boxxer and Sideways... Thanks for the links and tips!

OMT, if your planning on running a '03 Fantom .12 in your 710 it won't fit. Enven after taking the factory boost chamber out it still won't fit due to the carb design, unless you want to do quite a bit of cutting and shimming. Just a heads up. So my trusty Fantom will stay in my NTC3. I bought the RB V12 for the 710.

Later guys-

jeremy

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

So, basically, when your suspension compresses, that the car sorta "gives" itself more toe-in? Then when the suspension decompresses again it gets less toe-in for the straights? If so, this is a very cool thing, and I can see that giving the 710 an edge over other TC's.

A good engine will cost a little over 200, the kit will cost around 350-400, body/paint up to 40, a good pipe up to 60-80, so i'm looking at about 650-700 bucks without the radio system....how much would a cheap-yet-reliable system cost? I'm only 16, so I am definitely on a budget but I want to get my money's worth....

Can anyone post a link up so I can see more detailed and thorough pics of the car, along with all the specs and stuff? Thanks!

[Boxxer]

Ill post up some photos of another 710 I'm building right now. Most radios will get the job done, but some a lil better than others. Best thing to do would be to go and actually hold a few in your hands. A good radio that doesnt fit in your hand right wont get the job done. Also look for one that allows you to dial the servo throw.. helps when setting up the throttle/brake linkage.

And the "bump" steer description is the simplest and best ive read.

One side note, I was pitting for a friends 710 and the e-clip that holds the front jack shaft drive pully broke and allowed the pully to fly off on a highspeed sweeper, car oversteered immediately and then spun into the outside wall. It was pretty funny to watch, but make sure you carry a few extra large e-clips cause we didnt have any that were big enough. Im sure it was a rare/freak mech failure, but one none the less.

[Boxxer]

HPI FAN,

There are some other costs to consider(which you either have already or probably know) that hopefully wont keep you from getting one, but no doubt will put a little(or giant) hole in your wallet.

Starter box(batteries, charger for batteries, etc).
Tires... least a set a race weekend, and probably more.
Fuel.
Spare parts.
Set up board.
Glow plugs.

Plus whatever else you happen to break, bend, loose or generally mess up along the way.

The list could go on longer than any of use would like and all those things add up. Being 16, just use the money you would normally spend on the rent.
:p

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

thats the beatuy of it, i don't gotta worry about rent yet:p:p:p

thanks for the tips on the radio, i thought all servos were the same except for torque/speed, and i did notice that the more options on the transmitter thing the better, since on my Futaba one on another car I can only adjust the steering and throttle trims.....

i completely forgot that i would need a starter box, unless i have really strong hands and plan to turn it over myself :rolleyes:

I have fuel and some tires (not the best for racing however, some worn out TRC's) and a glow igniter/plugs, etc, so how much you think i could get a cheap starter box for? And a set-up board is relatively cheap.....right?:confused: I know I sound like a beginner to this kinda stuff, but its just that I don't competitively race or anything. I'm not lookin to be the next ROAR national champion or anything, I just wanted a nice, reliable, fast car possibly for racing with and this looked like what i was wanting.....

so, just the engine i planned on getting doesn't fit in it huh :(

my LHS is having a sale too, the Fantom FR12 is only $140.......

grrrr why must i always draw the short straw in the game of life...

[rcabj]

hi.....sac 04 in thailand this 10 and 11 jan. 04....

michael salven will be there also sort of serpent engineer/advisor part ,,not to race i heard.

see how they perform in major races...too bad its for serpent only, like to see how it perform againts other big names like mugen,v1r and etc.

[Boxxer]

Umm, starter boxes, anywhere from 50-150 depending on power source, types of motors used and manufacturer. I like the serpent starter box mostly because its small...

There are many bells and whistles on high end radios that you may or may not find helpfull. The most important things for me have always been absolute glitch free performance and an ergo fit. As far as servos go I use a high torque/high speed on my steering and regular servos on my throttle. Ive pretty much always used Futaba stuff and havent had a whole lot of problems.

You could probably get away with making friends with someone who has a set up board just to get your car in the ball park as far as adjustments go. Its 140 or so you can save for something like tires... which youll need if you stay with foams. I like rubber tires for their wear and realistic grip qualities, but in almost all cases nothing will beat a foam tire for racing.

Engines: I run a .12 nova rossi 3 port in mine and it runs pretty good.

Sorry i havnt got a chance to take photos of the 710 in progress, I got distracted(surprisingly/sadly) by a Savage SS.

Oh one more thing youll def wanna have.. but they arnt to bad to buy.. temp gun. Im on my second raytek now. Dont ask what happened to the first.
:rolleyes:

One of the first heavy races for Serpent with the 710 will be at the winter nats(south gas championship) race at the Ft Myers track in Florida in a few more weeks. I might go, but im not sure work will let me take it off.

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

too bad its in thailand.....for me anyway, i can't afford to fly there....

i had another question, the 710 has 3 belts correct? i assume its built most like other competition TCs......

ok, so i don't load this thread up with questions, can someone gimme a link or something so i can few the car specs and stuff about it, and so i can see more pics....

[Boxxer]

Check MyTSN.com

There are set up guides and photos. Its the serpent site.... best place to look.

[RacingEVO]

Like you said if you are not going to race competetively then you don't need a set-up gauge. All you need is a $20 caliper and a camber gauge($10). Just make sure the measurements are the same from left to right. You can get away with a JR XR3, Air. MX-3, or the new Futaba 2PL. You need something with steering and and throttle EPA. Servos should be Futaba S9451 for steering($79 best deal ou there) and a standard servo for throttle will be plenty. If you get the JR or Airtronics radio you will have to cut the little wing on the servo plug. Get the Ofna pink starter box with the 12volt motor. A great engine is the MT-12. You won't notice much of a difference between this and the NS12 because you're not racing. Even if you do I have a modified MT-12 that will keep up with the modded NS12s. For a pipe it should be the RD 2 piece pipe. You don't want the one piece because it will bend easier in a crash. I had this same idea when I bought my Impulse Street Spec and this guy told me what to buy so when I started racing I had everything I needed to be competitive. If you ever decide to race you'll be prepared.

[HPI-Fan-4-Ever]

wow, thanks for all the info....i forgot to ask, i heard that o'donnell fuel shouldn't sit unused for more than a week or two, is trinity's platinum fuel the same way? if so, what other fuel has a long shelf life but is good performance-wise?

right now for my FR-15 in my HPI RS4-3 i have 20% Performance stuff, its orange, it has been sittin on the shelf for ages, a gallon can last me months, and it retains a good kick to it and it keeps my engine running good....should i just stick with performance, and is 30% nitro race-legal by ROAR standards? if not, i will stick with 20% and prolly just get maybe a quart of trinity at a time or so, that way i can go through it faster.....

thanks again for the info!

[Saboteur]

The fuel is legal but the engine isnt.

Racing Evo- I wouldn't say the one piece pipes bend easier. The only difference is that with the single unit is if the pipe gets bent, you will have to purchase a whole new set, or run with a bent pipe. I try to keep the body on and not hit the pipe. Oh yeah, I also have an MT12. Awesome power plant. :)

[kakolitoy]

[
]i had another question, the 710 has 3 belts correct? i assume its built most like other competition TCs......[/B]

710 have a different parts that is different to other manufacterer. In my opnion, The centax 3 and the 2 speed Gen II is the key to get a better accelaration in a car. I also suggest a bigger bearing .12 motor for additional accelaration, such as the Novarossi Ns12 ($230 to $250 U.S.)or the SS ($230 to $250) and KHM ($300 to $325) from Novamega. The shocks of 705 and 710 are adjustable inside, you can adjust them depending on the oil and spring rate you want to use for a specific track. One the coolest feature is the adjustable axles. You can use a solid or one way to a non solid rotating differential (in real cars is like using a slip or lock transmissions). That is great because you do not have to take the diff out if you want to use solid rear and one way front.

Good luck on you decisions,

BTW: you will never go wrong with 710 and Novarossi or Novarossi based motors.

[shogun]

Originally posted by Boxxer
Its a 1/10 200mm.

The shocks are more laid down than they are straight up.

Price of the kit is about 340-4hun depending on where you look.

Its killer for racing. Put it on your list of chassis to buy.

Later


Hey Boxxer: you mentioned the price of the kit at about $340. Do you have any idea where i could get the 710 kit at that price here in the U.S. particularly in the northern calif. area? thanks in advance.

[Boxxer]

Not sure bout NorCal. I got mine at fastnfurious here in SoFla. Its in Ft Lauderdale if you havent bought one already. I think they have a lil web page if you do a search for them, or just call information and ask for the number. I was there Sunday, but I dont recall seeing any more 710 kits on the wall...

[packetdreamer]

guess what's coming in the mail on saturday, or monday :) :)

[VANWALL]

Assemblng my new 710. I at the point where the rear diff is assembled. The instructions do not show using any diff lub. I have never built a ball diff with no lub on the balls.

Can someone help me here.

To lube or not to lube???

[packetdreamer]

i have built the impulse pro, the 705, and now am in the middle of the 710 (just finished my diff yesterday). i pack the thrust bearing with graphite grease.

edit - what is graphite grease anyway?? well i could not find any, so i have concocted some by mixing a healthy dose of graphite powder and a medium/medium-heavy grease... hey it works for me!

[packetdreamer]

as i have mentioned :), the building has begun. NICE. honestly, at first i was a little upset to see the 710 was coming out just a when i just got the 705... but after getting this kit, i see why it was time for a change.

[VANWALL]

I used a the same grease that I use on the trust bearing in the centrax clutch on my 835.

The diff lube I was talking about was on the ball in the center diff gear. I used some diff lube when I assembled the diff even though the instructions did not list. I asked another racer in our club and he said he lubed the diff balls. My 835 does not have a rear diff so this was my 1st Serpent diff build.

I'm slowly building the kit. I have plenty of time the 1st test date for our club is may 1st.

[packetdreamer]

i was going to lube the diff balls, but i heard a suggestion against it... hmmm. i guess you just gotta take what you can use and throw the rest out.

i am building mine slowly too. have you noticed how freely the suspension paarts move. of all the kits i have put totether this kit has the most "bindless" suspension. i didnt have to file, sand, dremel or anything. bravo.

[kevina250]

I friend of mine has a 710 and tried to race it this weekend. The only problem though is that when he spins the car shuts off. As if going backwards on a spin stalls the motor. Any ideas why it does this?

[kakolitoy]

I friend of mine has a 710 and tried to race it this weekend. The only problem though is that when he spins the car shuts off. As if going backwards on a spin stalls the motor. Any ideas why it does this?


HI!

Tell your freind not to spin and reverse the car, so the motor will not die :) I am just wondering if your trying to say turning, and that might be another problem. I suggest to check his clutch then tune the motor depending on temp, glow plug, and % of nitro.

Hope that helps

Almost summer cannot wait!!!

[kevina250]

No literally when he goes into the corner the car spins and while going backwards it shuts off. I did notice when I looked at it that you can grab the front wheels and try to spin them back at the same time the motor will cut off. Has one way diff in the front end. Oh he is using it to race oval. Said he wants to try and beat a guy with a TC3.

[packetdreamer]

I just posted to the general forum about a question I have about how free my suspension parts should move. Since the touring car I am refering to is a serpent710 I figured I would reference that post here.

LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1405595#post1405595)

Basically, when I put on all the suspension parts and wheels (except the shocks and swaybars) my suspension falls nicely, however, take it all apart and just raise one arm (with nothing attached to it, it does not fall. should eache arm fall independantly, or should it fall freely when everything is attached to the car?

thanks (again)!

[rc addict]

MUST HAVE *drops to floor*

[packetdreamer]

when you guys installed the ball joints/links, did you install them so the larger hole in the link when over the ball firsr, or the smaller hole? my steering has a bit too much play in it for my taste. anyone else?

[Needler56]

is there a reason why the servos are angled? is it to have the weight as close to the center as possible? will a novak xxl fm receiver fit? i think this car won me over with the drs, does any other car have drs like lets say the mugen seiki mtx 3?

[Needler56]

how does everyone feel about this car out of the box? just want to know the pros and cons.

[tharis]

I am using ball differentials front and rear and i would like to know if serpent have normal differentials (with silicones) for 710 or if there is a differential from another make that fits in 710. Thats why i am playing in a quite dirty track and it is a problem with the ball differentials.

[gtrmex]

how does everyone feel about this car out of the box? just want to know the pros and cons.


I have tried several kits... Kyosho V-one RRR, HPI R40, Serpent 710, G4 or RD Logics Mongoose.

Hands down, the 710 has the best out-of-box setting of all the above, but I strongly suggest locking the front onw-way to make it a solid axle. Obviously some extra work on different tracks will yield a faster car, but most of the drivers I know that have switched to the 710 instantly fell in love with the car.

I have seen the Kyosho, the 710 and the RD Logics all battle it out real well after some tuning work. But as far as my experience goes the 710 rocks!

[gtrmex]

is there a reason why the servos are angled? is it to have the weight as close to the center as possible? will a novak xxl fm receiver fit? i think this car won me over with the drs, does any other car have drs like lets say the mugen seiki mtx 3?

I do not know about other cars with the DRS but I already fitted a XXL into the receiver box with no problems... :cool:

[tnbigdawg]

Hey all, Where can I order a new Serpent 710 in the U.S.?

[spiderwc]

does any one know who makes a all ready assembled pack for the 710/ besides ebay?

[1 Mugen racer]

Hello,

Has anyone tried to modify one of these to fit a larger engine, or to fit custom cogs and wheels to turn it into a drag car or high speed car?

Or is this thread dead as well.

[1 Mugen racer]

Has anyone tried to fit a .21 engine in one of these?

[Adanmtxt1]

These are pure race cars, and no one is likely to spend the money on a performance chassis just to throw off weight and turn it into a "sport" basher by adding a .21 engine. If you want to drop a large engine into a tourer, I would suggest looking into a 4Tec, an RS4, or, more appropriately, a Schumacher Fusion. The Fusion comes STOCK with a .21 :D:D:D. Look over in those forums. :)

[1 Mugen racer]

Adanmtxt1. How are they pure sports cars if they can be beaten flat out by an rtr basher.

The Serpent should be ideal for it. Firstly it comes with a lot of features the guys that modify their rtrs want.
Ball suspension,
Better lay out
Racing chassis,
Lola body
3 belt drive and so on.

The guys with their rtrs spend hundreds to get the parts which are already included on a Serpent 710. Plus its old everyones moved on to the 720.

Looks like i will be the first to give it a go.

[nitrohead5300]

Some rtr's can beat onroad cars in a drag race or highspeed run but not on a real technical road course. Onroad cars are a compromise, they have good handling, ballistic acceleration and good topend speed. The RTR's that you have been talking about like the traxxas, fusion etc have been purpose built to have topend speed they both have bigger than normal motors in them for a 1/10 scale car and as a result don't handle as well as a 1/10 scale onroad car with a .12 motor in it. The center of gravity is too high the tires don't provide enough traction especially in the fusions case and they way the radio components are layed out leaves something to be desired. You end up with a car that is only good for landspeed attemp runs. And just like the fusion and 4-tec are not the best handling cars out there neither will you Serpent 710 with a.21 in it .

[1 Mugen racer]

Thats true but only because they are fitted with larger engines or in the case of the cen geared very high.

The track cars are specifically designed for a .12 engine.

I don't know how true this is but, i heard some guy geared his Serpent to get it to 75mph with a .12 engine. It would probably be a record if he did but there is no reason not to believe it almost went 70mph.

[rctechdomain]

VIDEO : RACE AT JP RACEWAY PHILIPPINES WITH GUEST JULIUS KOLFF OF TEAM SERPENT NETHERLANDS

JULIUS KOLFF ARRIVES AT JP RACEWAY PHILIPPINES

http://one.revver.com/watch/231478

JULIUS KOLFF GETTING READY FOR FIRST TRACK TEST

http://one.revver.com/watch/231481

JULIUS KOLFF TUNING ENGINE AND CLUTCH

http://one.revver.com/watch/231483

JULIUS KOLFF FIRST TRACK TEST AT JP RACEWAY

http://one.revver.com/watch/231485

JULIUS KOLFF TRACK IMPRESSIONS

http://one.revver.com/watch/231487

JULIUS MEETING WITH MR JP REYES

http://one.revver.com/watch/231489

JULIUS KOLFF 5 MIN INTERVIEW WITH IANHOBBIES

http://one.revver.com/watch/231490

FLYING LAPS WITH BRADIR JULIUS KOLFF TEAM SERPENT NETHERLANDS

http://one.revver.com/watch/231495

TEAM BRADIR

http://one.revver.com/watch/231499

PRACTICE with JP,RALPH,KOREVO,DANIEL AND JULIUS

http://one.revver.com/watch/231521

QUALIFYING PART 1

http://one.revver.com/watch/231526

QUALIFYING PART 2

http://one.revver.com/watch/231531

JULIUS KOLFF QUALIFYING COMMENTS

http://one.revver.com/watch/231537

JULIUS KOLFF'S SERPENT 720

http://one.revver.com/watch/231540

BRADIRS GETTING READY FOR THE MAIN FINAL

http://one.revver.com/watch/231541

A-MAIN FINAL MARCH 16 2007 PART 1

http://one.revver.com/watch/231542

A-MAIN FINAL MARCH 16 2007 PART 2

http://one.revver.com/watch/231556

A-MAIN FINAL MARCH 16 2007 PART 3

http://one.revver.com/watch/231557

A-MAIN FINAL MARCH 16 2007 PART 4

http://one.revver.com/watch/231572

[1 Mugen racer]

Adanmtxt1, You can't tell me that the price of an rtr can possibly be justified.

They are a total rip offs, and are all round inferior cars. Modifiying a 4-tec or Fusion IMO is a waste of time and money.

Cheers for those videos.

[nitrohead5300]

You can't tell me that the price of an rtr can possibly be justified.
..................HUH!!! did I miss something when did I say anything about the price of RTR?? :confused:

[1 Mugen racer]

I wasn't talking to you nitrohead.

[nitrohead5300]

Good.

[rctechdomain]

JUNE 17 RACE AT JP RACEWAY PHILIPPINES

with guests Chris Lee from HK and Julius Kolff Team serpent Netherlands

A-main

part 1

http://one.revver.com/watch/307004

part 2

http://one.revver.com/watch/308098

part 3

http://one.revver.com/watch/308109

part 4

http://one.revver.com/watch/308158


part 5

http://one.revver.com/watch/308137

winning serpent 720 of Mr. Clemen Pancho

http://one.revver.com/watch/308193


B-main

part 1

http://one.revver.com/watch/305864

part 2

http://one.revver.com/watch/305872

part 3

http://one.revver.com/watch/305878



C-main

http://one.revver.com/watch/306998



TQ: JP REYES MUGEN/RB

BEST LAP : JP REYES 12.220

A MAIN RESULT:

1) CLEMEN PANCHO 271 LAPS SERPENT 720/NOVA PLUS2
2) RAFFY ABELLO 266 LAPS KYOSHO RRR/NOVA PLUS3SCT
3) KING SARMIENTO 261 LAPS KYOSHO RRR/NOVA PLUS3SCT
4) DANIEL SARIENTO 254LAPS KYOSHO RRR/NOVA PLUS3SCT
5) JP REYES 249 LAPS MUGEN MTX4/RB
6) LEE CHRIS(HONGKONG) 245 NT1 /AXIAL
7) JOHANNE SY 244 LAPS SERPENT 720/NOVA PLUS3SCT
8) RALPH LORENZP 243 LAPS SERPENT 720/NOVA PLUS5CT
9) MITCH ESTRELA 81 LAPS MUGEN MTX4/RB
10) JULIUS KOLFF 71LAPS SERPENT 720/MEGA

B MAIN:

BEST LAP: 12.7 (SECRET)

1) DECK BALATBAT 179 LAPS G4/RB (SPECIAL GUEST FROM SINGAPORE)
2) RICKY TANGAN 170 LAPS SERPENT720/NOVA PLUS 3CT
3) LARRY TAN 147 LAPS MUGEN MTX4/NOVA PLUS 3SCT
4) JULIUS REYMUNDO 138 LAPS SERPENT 720/NOVA L5
5) GWINN MARTINEZ 137 LAPS G4S/Nova 12+5ct
6) LOUIE CARBALO 130 LAPS KYOSHO RRR/NOVA PLUS5CT
7) MIGUEL PASCUAL 107 LAPS MUGEN MTX4/SIRIO EVO3
8) JOHN TOVILLO 90 LAPS
9) EDGAR NGO 50 LAPS SERPENT 720 NOVAPLUS
10) ALAN MOTOL MUGEN MTX4/NOVA PLUS5CT

C MAIN:

1) JASON YOROBE 113 LAPS SERPENT 720/NOVA L5
2) JORDAN GO 107 LAPS GPX4/NOVA L5
3) COCOY MARTINEZ 71 LAPS G4S/Nova 12+5ct
4) IAN DOROTEO 59 LAPS KYOSHO RRR/NOVA PLUS 5CT
5) ERIC TAN 47 LAPS SERPENT 720/NOVA PLUS5CT
6) MIKE RAMOS 42 LAPS G4/NOVA PLUS 5CT
7) PINGGOY BITANGCO 15LAPS KYOSHO RRR/NOVA PLUS 5CT
8) MACKY ZABALA
9) DONDON SAID 0 LAP
10) SHERWIN MACARANAS 0 LAP

[serpent17]

do some parts fit the impulse