CEN Genesis Monster Truck

[StevePond]

Started at the request of 379.

[auto2]

Check out CEN's web site. Looks like we are getting close.

Plastic(re fancy plastic) drive shafts.
will that be the first hop up part to make?:-)


http://www.cenracing.com/cars/genesis/genesis.html


lets make a poll on what the price will be?

My guess not less than 597$

[rampbrian]

the price will be around 450$ ready to run, cen guy said that if you can afford a maxx or a savage than you can afford this one. I hope they can fill all the orders they are gona get for this thing,

even tho the website shows a tranny with 2 speeds there is a 3 speed still in the works. so its a 3 speed for shure. as for the drive shafts = they look beefy enough, only time will tell.

I want to see this truck with the 8 inch tall imex jumbo kong tires on. the stock tires are 7.5 inches tall, so there is not too much of a gear increase, the .46 could handle it.

my birth day is in febuary, thats when im getting one. I can hardly wait.

ps, show us a pic with the boddy on please.

[old phart]

Looks like I am going to have to sell some of my toys to make room for the Genesis! :D

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

$480 is my guess.

The only thing left that I would like to know more about is the amount of suspension travel. I run on a bmx track and jump my quake pretty high (10 feet) hope this genesis can handle a jump like that.

Man I have had $550 saved up for over a year now was going to get a MGT but didnt. Still have 2-3months to wait for the genesis and find out more about the losi mt.

[bjk660rex4]

Man I cant wait till it comes out! I dont know what Monster truck to get now! Hopefully it comes out soon!

[crypt]

well guys, any news on this beast, when it will be available?

[auto2]

the latest gossip is sometime in Feb

[punkrockracer]

if i had seen better come from CEN in the past i'd be all over this...but aye, in a year this beast willl have been proven good or bad..and if good i will be all over this like white on rice

[auto2]

Punkrock- you just have no cense of adventure.LOL!
Your theory is NG though because in a year every manufactor will have something better! This is just the beginning.

When you have to buy a trailor to tow your RC around that will be the day.

[punkrockracer]

not any good? i like that idea...it saves me money when i have no or very little to save

[auto2]

you do know I was joking with you right?:-)

Their coustomer support is so good that I "trust" them.

[badboy2]

so any fresh news on when is it comin out ?im guessing its gonna be around $479..and hopefully therell be available parts for it right away and i hope they made it fit tmaxx wheels

[Nitroaddict]

How about some new pics, like with the complete chassis and some with the body on it?

I know you guys are trying to keep things on the low, but this truck is supposed to be out next month..


Nitroaddict :)

[auto2]

hey Nitro; are you gonna get one?

I have 500 dollars hidden from the wife for a few months now.
I hope it comes out before she finds it LOL!

At the moment what is most important to me is weather it is easy or hard to work on.
The savage like side plates worry me. I wouldn't want to have to take out 50 screws and remove the whole frame just to remove a servo or tranny or something.

[Nitroaddict]

I am really wanting to get another truck, and was thinking about a Savage 25 or a Monster GT. Then this truck came out and I really like the way it looks. I am just hoping it is going to be durable and easy to maintain/keep running. I would just like to see what the truck looks like completed and with a body. So to answer your question, Yes I will probably get one after it has been out awhile.

Nitroaddict :)

[old phart]

Originally posted by auto2
The savage like side plates worry me. I wouldn't want to have to take out 50 screws and remove the whole frame just to remove a servo or tranny or something.

Hey auto2, better get that cordless screwdriver you've been putting off LOL! ;)

[379]

i think CEN has a handle on it

[minijosh]

hmmmm gonna be able to compete with the rock climbers???? i want the wheels for my clod buster. and the shocks. and the motor. nevermind, i will give in and buy the truck. stupid cen racing making me want one with stupid rcca ad. i live here in england, where they won't import that truck, and i was showing people the ad. they were like is that a tmaxx, the only nitro monster truck they know, and i slapped them in their face and told them to read the bottom in the big red words CENRACING. i bet this thing has more power than my 1979 Mini Clubman 1275cc motor.

[auto2]

home depot- 10 bucks! I got 2 .one for each hand. I'm ready now! bring it on!

[Quinton]

Whens that big SOB comin out.
Gettin anxious.

[Quinton]

See?

I need info... LOL

[mickeyp]

Go to cengenesis.com .

[Quinton]

The latest I've found out is they will be selling for 499 - 529 with a F150 or Hummer body.

[frank parker]

I HAVE ORDERED 2 GENS BY CEN A MOUNTH AGO
HOW MUCH LONGER CEN
i cant stand it any longer :o

[Quinton]

The shops in Cali told me they should come in at the end of March. Did you have to put down $100 ea?

[Darkend1]

i emailed CEN asking about what body comes with it and the reply was " a chevy with flame designs ".

[Yellow Jacket]

I talked to my LHS today and they said the Genesis should be in sometime the first week of April. He also said there was a delay in the release because of a design change and that the production truck WILL NOT had 4 wheel steering. Think about it... what would happen to a truck that size going 40 MPH and then turning all 4 wheels at the same time.... not a pretty site I can imagine..

[MaxxGT23]

Okay, it is the first week in April. Where the heck is this darn thing. I want to see the finished product.

[Quinton]

What wrong can't you sleep?? LOL j/k

[rpmmaxxed]

Wheres the updates?

[Nitro_Racer571]

in the vid of the hill climb it looked like it ha no power

[Nitro 4 me]

http://store.yahoo.com/rc-models/cengenesis.html Suppossed to be in stock ready to ship! Someone buy one and let us know how it is!!!

[cheerwhiner]

my store got one yesterday.

all i can say is wow. i mean it even comes with a failsafe from the factory.

[379]

coolness failsafe on an RTR does it work and will that beast stand up on its ass

[MonsterBlazer#1]

hey all
this thread seems that it hasnt been written in since the release so i was wodering
Who has it?,
is it worth buying?
any weak spots?
what would ur ate it for all over performance /10(10being outragous...like a rc10gt hehe:D)
is it easy to work on?

thanks guys and anything else you can ass would be really appreciated.

Neil

[budlightnmyhand]

Yeah how come no one has written back on these threads about the Genesis. I think my LHS has one still and they have a whole support package for it. I just want to hear how the Genesis is doing.

Thanks,
Mike

[Quinton]

Yeah you don't hear about the Gen anymore. Must be all low end torque ane not much for top speed.

How much is your LHS selling them for?

[jocktheglide165]

good truck whoo hooo big and fun......

[bob333]

Yeah you don't hear about the Gen anymore. Must be all low end torque ane not much for top speed.

How much is your LHS selling them for?

I wouldn't say that when it has a 3speed and a 5hp .46 engine

[performula]

Any word on this truck?

[ApriliaRacer]

I read a review in RC Driver, but IMO, most of the magazine reviews aren't worth much because they don't run them for a long period of time. Although they did mention some issues in RC Driver that CEN has fixed.

But I'd still like to know how its working in the hands of the general populace

[Poor Judgement]

check rc universe, the manufacturers support section has a cen forum, u will find out all u want to know, and what u dont want to know... about the genesis in there. just bear in mind that ppl who have no probs dont tend to post a lot.

[dub-c]

Yeah, seriously does anyone have this?? There must be someone. I saw one at a hobby shop while on vacation. It looked really sweet. They had a Genesis, LST, MGT, T-MAXX, and Revo all lined up. The Genesis made the LST and MGT look like stadium trucks, lol, not to mention making the Revo looking like a Nikko. Well size-wize at least. Someone needs to get one and get the word out if it's all it SHOULD be.

[eternaldragon]

i have a 2nd generation genesis and have not had to many problems with it the only thing i had happen to it was the set screw that is in the rear center out drive came loss and made me think i stripped my rear diff and the 17t gear on the clutch bell stripped out.
cen has great costumer care though they got me my new aluminum diff case's with the 4 spider gear set up (witch is standard on all the new trucks) in 4 days it only took 1 day for them to reply to my e-mail and 3 days for the new diffs to get here.
as for speed it's plenty fast for a truck this big and has plenty of power as well but it's not vary quick just fast and your going to find your self upside down if you try to nail the trigger if you have the lock block in the center diff.

[CEN Racing]

DUB-C

You can check out our website for more information. www.cenracing.com there are a few videos on there that show the truck in action. Thanks for your interest.

Regards,
CEN RACING

[Monsterbrad]

I have heard there are problems with this truck is this true???

[CEN Racing]

Like many other major brand, Genesis 46 did experience minor difficulites at the beginning. However, all parts has been re-engineer and upgrade for ultimate performance and durability. We assure you Genesis 46 will be the biggest most powerful truck at your blcok. Older generation truck has been replaced with new parts or swaped with newer generation.

[Monsterbrad]

well I would like to see this truck go up against the LST or the slower MGT in a bash contest....

[doesgo]

If the weather warms up you may see that soon, MB! SlapMaFro Productions, Inc. now has an LST and a Genesis and they're just beggin' to be put through their paces! We'll be filming it all...

[monstatruCkin]

did cen even fix *EVERY* problem wit the gen? cuz i want one, but not wit all the problems i heard it has..

[Quinton]

Doesgo - I can't wait to see a decent vid of the big gen. I don't think I'll like it as much as the .28 Savage though.

SMF should get a XTM XLB. That would be cool to see that big buggy on your nice vids.

[CEN Racing]

Dear monstatruCkin :

We already fixed all of the early production bugs. Including new design driveshafts, and new Aluminum Diff gear case with 4 diff gear set. Genesis 46 is one of the most durable MT in the market. We were demoing the Genesis 46 during Monster Jam last weekend and no part was broken.

[doesgo]

Me too, Quinton! The Genesis looks very promising and we're excited to see what it can do.

As for the XLB, that'd be great fun! As would CEN's uber-fast on-road car, the XTM Mammoth, and a TNX, and an MGT, and....and....and.... :) Just not enough time or money to buy and test them all!

[monstatruCkin]

doesgo - so tru. hav 2 hav the money 4 this hobby want so much but have so litle lol

[dosser]

I have had a gen for about 4 months now, and I have all the upgrades from CEN like the four diff geras set, and I hadn't any problems before I recived the 4 diff gears.
So to the weck spots on this truck.
The upper control arm breakes very easy, the one way bearing has to be cleaned after about 5-10 tanks of fuel. Other then that no problems. It has tons off power and is very durable and I think it is one of the best truck out there.

[doesgo]

That's great to hear, dosser!

[dosser]

But i will say this. People still have problems with there Gen, I guess i'm one of those that did recive a great gen from CEN. But after the 3 batch all the Gen become alot better, mine is a 3 batch.
So good luck to you all that will buy this truck, ones you have drove it you can stop driving it!!!

[ApriliaRacer]

Is there anyway to determine if the Gen you own has had the fixes short of tearing down?

[ApriliaRacer]

Was also wondering if anyone else's Genesis suspension is stiff as a board. There is almost no give. The usual drop test to check RC suspension has the Genesis bouncing. Feels like the oil is to thick.....

anyone?

[Quinton]

did you remove the top 2 shocks?

[doesgo]

Same here, Aprilia. When pushing down by hand it's nice and soft and smooth, but when dropping it it's pretty stiff. Time for some shock fluid adjustments.

[ApriliaRacer]

The guy I bought it from had the top shocks removed. This doesn't work well. The problem is that the springs are not strong enough to return the truck to a neutral stance. So, put them back on and it works better.

Adding spacers isn't the correct answer either. Correct spring "weights" would be the way to go along with an oil change.

But yeah, whatever oil they use is just too heavy. I looked at the other pistons. But I didn't want to tear into the shocks. So, I went with 10wt. Now it works way better. There is movement.

Personally, I feel its still too stiff. The problem is that I want a more progressive feel. Softer during the initial part of the stroke to absorb irregularities on the road, but get stiffer to prevent bottoming on jumps.

Hopefully, its warm enough to run it and see how its working.

At this point I'm going to either try the number 3 pistons or maybe enlarge the #2s.

[Quinton]

Would LST shocks fit?

[ApriliaRacer]

No, not as a direct bolt-on. The problem is that the LST shock would be too close to the arm. So, you'd have to figure some way to move them out. But you can't just use some tube and extend. You'd bend the screw or whatever it is you used to hold it in place. Different design shock tower maybe......

[kcobra]

How do you determine if you have a 3rd generation Genesis or not? I bought one off ebay that was advertised as a 3rd generation truck. I want to make sure.

[nitrothugg]

will other bodies from other trucks fit the genesis?

[ApriliaRacer]

I read in RC driver about the 3rd generations having a metal diff as opposed to a plastic-composite diff. So you'd have to tear into the truck and check those out. Otherwise I don't know how else to tell.

Its appears that most larger truck bodies will work on the Gen. I put one of my LST bodies on it (just setting it on top of the body posts) and it would fit. I've also got a Proline Silverado body and it looks like it would fit too. So, I'd say if you bought a body made for the bigger trucks like the LST, MGT, or extended Savage, you should be able to get it to fit.....

[Mustang2]

I called up the lhs and got their opinion on the cen genesis and they told me to watch out for cen products...cause they said when they used to deal with cen they said they were falling apart..is this true?? and has the Genesis changed..for the better..cause i am serious about buying the truck and don't want a POS

[Quinton]

(i suggest the savage for speed and strength)

Get the Genesis if you want something different then all of us though.

[Mustang2]

what do you mean get something different than all of us....and i have looked at the savage and it looks pretty tough...i think i might go with the savage..since i have been hearing all this bad stuff about the Genesis

[CEN Racing]

will other bodies from other trucks fit the genesis?

Proline has several bodies available for the Genesis. Generally speaking, MGT body will bolt right onto Genesis.

Mustang2: LHS usually will try to sell you something they carry in the store. This does not necesarilly means one is better than another. All of the genesis has been upgrades with latest parts since Last Christmas. We assume all of you the durability is excellent and performance of 5 HP is unobtainable from any .21 class engine.

[ducati777]

Size wize the Gensis is HUGE. Much larger than the other trucks out there, and with performance to back it. Next to the FG 6th scale the Gensis looks comparable, smaller but not by much...

The savage is a good truck, a safe bet. But like Quinton said, maybe you don't want to be another sheep in the herd. Show up to the track with a Gensis and you'll get a lot of attention, show up with a Savage and you're just another MT...

[379]

mustang2, there aint a damn thing wrong with CEN trucks...i have one, and i have no less problems with it than any savage owner does, assuming they run a stock truck beyond it's limits...ur LHS is probably trying to sell u that truck so u'll come back and blow mucho $$$ on upgrades the genesis comes stock with, and who can argue with 5HP??

[Mustang2]

yep ur right 379...im glad i actually have someones opinion on something somebody actually haves and not just says stuff about it..its between 2 MT's..the savage and the Genesis...im thinkin the genesis..more money upfront..but you get what you pay for...

[379]

yeh, if u look at it the genesis is only 500 bucks, but with it u get a HUGE truck with a 3 speed AND reverse stock, comes with hi-torque servos and is only one servo away from having four wheel steering right out of the box. also, dont forget the specially designed truck engine, not a converted chopper engine(note the slide carb and rear exhaust), which puts down 5HP...it'd take about $800 total to get a savage to these specs. also, the genesis comes with a failsafe, something a scarcely small amout of trucks have, RTR or not. im not saying the savage sucks, id love to have a savage to augment my CEN truck...and drag it out of the mud when i high-center it, but in ur case the genesis is the better buy. simply put, u get twice the truck for about the same money

[Mustang2]

yeah i looked at getting a failsafe and all for the savage and other things like hi torque servos and what not and it came around 1k and i was like for half that money i can get a truck already that shape and twice as better than the savage..so i will be getting that truck in prolly a month after i get my other r/cs back up and running...

[dosser]

I think you should go with the genesis. I have one and it's great. The weack spots on this truck is the upper control arms, so if you can buy aluminum arms for that and you will not have any problems with your genesis. It has tons of power and speed.

here's a vid of it
http://www.******.net/img/49912

I had alot of fun making this vid. Haven't tuned it right for cold weahter drivning so it runs very rich. And the vid is not the best quality..... I hope I have cleared something for you to make your choice easier.

[Mustang2]

thats alot of snow...dern...to much for me..there was like a glimpse of another truck in the vid..what kind was it???...cause the genesis looked huge compared to it...I like the vid...I have made my mind up on that truck..ill have one real soon...

[dosser]

It's a T-maxx. And it's very small compared to a Genesis. :)

[Mustang2]

dern,that was thing was real small...

[CEN Racing]

Pictured here is Andrew Smolnik’s racing GENESIS 46. This is the exact truck right off the track!! You may see this truck at your local track in the near future as Team CEN will be attending many large MT races this year.

This truck is virtually stock, still powered by the .46 5hp engine. It does however, utilize our all new 23mm hex’s (available soon) Andrew’s truck is running on Pro-Line’s 40 series / 23mm rims, along with Pro-Line Bow Tie Racing tires. This truck is also sporting a Pro-Line Crowd Pleazer race body.

When racing Team CEN Driver’s remove their reverse mechanism inside the transmission. They also, remove the first speed gear, using only second and third. Top Dimesion X shocks are removed for weight and down travel purposes. For further questions feel free to contact our friendly technicians. They will be more than happy to help you out with you CEN needs. They can offer many tip’s and tricks to make you reach the winner’s circle!

Email: customerservice@cenracing.com
Phone: 1-888-CEN-9886


Meet the Team!

[performula]

What online store has the best deal on the CEN Genesis?

[Poor Judgement]

hi, does anyone know where in the uk i can get some genesis steel spur gears?

there must be someone stocking spares for the genesis over here - surely...

[KawadaKid]

Just check www.CENracing.com

Heres a link that might help you...Just a list of dealers for your country.

http://www.cenracing.com/dealers/wwdistributors.html#uk

[Poor Judgement]

thanks for that, i have been slowly getting thru that list... it seems that not many places stock all that much, but claim to be able to get the parts thru irvine - the distributors over here. unfortunately irvine seem to think that waiting for 4-6 weeks for parts is acceptable... heyho... looks like another order from the US is comin up.

[Challenger]

I have ran 25 tanks of fuel through my Genesis. Runs great, but never heard it shift into 3rd gear. I have removed the plug to try and change the shift settings but after probing with several allen wrenches I cannot find the set screws.

So I need some help:
1. What is the correct size allen wrench for the set screws?
2. Which direction do you trun the screw to LOWER the shift point (3rd gear)?
3. My engine likes to run rich. Is it possible it's not getting enough RPM's to
shift into 3ed gear? Shifts fine from 1st to 2nd.
4. Any tips on finding the 3rd gear set screws?
While I am at it, what's the best glow plug?

Any thoughts on this......

[Quinton]

Welcome!
I know nothing about the Genesis, but on most nitro's you turn the hex (a 2mm hex) clockwise to lower the shift point, and/or lean out the HSN some. If it's too rich most of them won't shift to 2nd properly, so that may be happening with your 3rd.

[dosser]

Hi Challenger!
THe settings for the 3rd gear should be 7 1/2 - 8 turns out. If you turn it counter clockwise you will have a eariler shift point.
One screw are black and the other one is silver, you want them to be unscrewed equaled.
also test this:
Srcew both screws to the bottom and run the truck and see so it's really the second gear you are hitting, then after that screw (3rd gear) both screws out about 7 1/2 turns and start tuning for the third gear.
hops this help
//dosser

[Challenger]

Hi Challenger!
THe settings for the 3rd gear should be 7 1/2 - 8 turns out. If you turn it counter clockwise you will have a eariler shift point.
One screw are black and the other one is silver, you want them to be unscrewed equaled.
also test this:
Srcew both screws to the bottom and run the truck and see so it's really the second gear you are hitting, then after that screw (3rd gear) both screws out about 7 1/2 turns and start tuning for the third gear.
hops this help
//dosser

Thanks for the tips on this!!! After you pull the plug to adjust the screws for 3rd gear, is there any good way of finding them? I have tried lining the 2 holes up and poking around with an allen wrench, but have had no luck.
Any more tips?? :)

[dosser]

sorry no tip.
Just keep trying mate :)
The best way is to spinn the spur gears and you will find the 2 screws.
Good luck

[ApriliaRacer]

How can I tell if the Cen Genesis .46 I have is the lastest version? Are there any visible signs?

TIA!

[dosser]

You will have black spur gears and a black failsafe other then that I don't think you can if you have the lastest version on the outside.
If you take a part the diffs they should be four spider Aluminum diffs.
Hope this helps.
Dosser

[ApriliaRacer]

You will have black spur gears and a black failsafe other then that I don't think you can if you have the lastest version on the outside.
If you take a part the diffs they should be four spider Aluminum diffs.
Hope this helps.
Dosser

Thanks, that helps alot. Now I know for sure I've got a 3rd gen cen...

[dosser]

You can also check this site.
www.cengenesis.com

[Challenger]

Ok folks, I have tried just about everything to get my Genesis to shift into 3rd gear consistently. We have replaced the original clutch shoes with new ones and adjusted everything. What happens is, the truck will shift into third about 2-3 times, then will only shift from 1st into 2nd gear. If we dismantle it, reset everything, it does the same thing. Good for a couple times into third and that’s about it.

I think on some of the earlier trucks there was a tune up kit that CEN put out. I thought this was only for early versions that were not ready to run. Am I right? Would this kit help?

I have about 40 tanks of fuel through the truck and it has shifted into third maybe 10 times.

I will take any and all thoughts, comments, 2 cents, SWAG, and anything else on this. I need HELP!!! :confused: :( :eek:

[CoolDom]

I think you should go with the genesis. I have one and it's great. The weack spots on this truck is the upper control arms, so if you can buy aluminum arms for that and you will not have any problems with your genesis. It has tons of power and speed.

here's a vid of it
http://www.******.net/img/49912

I had alot of fun making this vid. Haven't tuned it right for cold weahter drivning so it runs very rich. And the vid is not the best quality..... I hope I have cleared something for you to make your choice easier.



DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET ALUMINUM CONTROL ARMS FOR GENESIS? :confused:

[dosser]

neweramodels.com

[CoolDom]

neweramodels.com
thank you. I had no idea.

[1t4scots]

I found your post today while I was trying to find anything on why my transmission is not engaging. I have had the Gen for 20 days and I'm in the final stages of break in. I have had two good tanks of running and no more than mid throttle. I fueled up last night and could seem to get it in gear. The bell house gears and clutch were engaged and the spear gears spun but no power was sent to the transmission. After learning there was no slipper clutch it seemed the problem was with the one way bearing on the one way gear. You said that it needed to be cleaned after every 5-10 tanks. Is this still the case? Have you found another solution? Any body else know anything about this?

Thanks for the help.


I have had a gen for about 4 months now, and I have all the upgrades from CEN like the four diff geras set, and I hadn't any problems before I recived the 4 diff gears.
So to the weck spots on this truck.
The upper control arm breakes very easy, the one way bearing has to be cleaned after about 5-10 tanks of fuel. Other then that no problems. It has tons off power and is very durable and I think it is one of the best truck out there.

[nitrohead5300]

Get rid of thet .46 and put a collari .30 in there then it will fly.

[dosser]

Hi 1t4scots
I was refering to the one way bearing on the engine where you have the pullstart. But after break in I have had no problem with the one way bearing(or very little)
In your case it sounds like you have problems with your one way bearing on the transmission.
But after reading your post it sounds more like you are having problem with your grub screws on the rear axle or the front shaft. Have you checked them?? After buying a genesis you have to re loctite them otherwise they will fall out. So check them first before you pull your transmisson apart.
Hope this helps.





I found your post today while I was trying to find anything on why my transmission is not engaging. I have had the Gen for 20 days and I'm in the final stages of break in. I have had two good tanks of running and no more than mid throttle. I fueled up last night and could seem to get it in gear. The bell house gears and clutch were engaged and the spear gears spun but no power was sent to the transmission. After learning there was no slipper clutch it seemed the problem was with the one way bearing on the one way gear. You said that it needed to be cleaned after every 5-10 tanks. Is this still the case? Have you found another solution? Any body else know anything about this?

Thanks for the help.

[1t4scots]

Right on the money. After taking the transmition out and learning that the problem wasn't there and then checking all the diffs it was the grub screw on the rear drive colar. put some loktight on and reset it and I am good to go.

Thank you for your post. I have both a revo and now a gen and love them both.

Hi 1t4scots
I was refering to the one way bearing on the engine where you have the pullstart. But after break in I have had no problem with the one way bearing(or very little)
In your case it sounds like you have problems with your one way bearing on the transmission.
But after reading your post it sounds more like you are having problem with your grub screws on the rear axle or the front shaft. Have you checked them?? After buying a genesis you have to re loctite them otherwise they will fall out. So check them first before you pull your transmisson apart.
Hope this helps.

[dosser]

no problem
i'm glad I could help. sorry for the late replay:)

[Challenger]

I put a new Rotostart system on my Genesis truck and the one way bearing quit after starting one time. I had a pull start on it for 40 tanks of fuel with no problems. Does the Rotostart system cause the bearing to wear out quicker? Something else. I need to put my Rotostart shaft through the rear bulkhead at an angle to engage the Rotostart. Is this normal? Or do people cut or modify the rear bulkhead so it goes in straight?

[dosser]

Hi challenger
I had the rotostart on my gen for about 2 min. After breaking the rotostart shaft and the button on the rotostarter on the first start, I throw it away.
Yes you have to have it at an angle (stock) but I think you can modify it so you don't have to put it in at an angle.
Way don't you use the pullstarter?? Mine starts on 1-3 pulls.

[Challenger]

Hi challenger
I had the rotostart on my gen for about 2 min. After breaking the rotostart shaft and the button on the rotostarter on the first start, I throw it away.
Yes you have to have it at an angle (stock) but I think you can modify it so you don't have to put it in at an angle.
Way don't you use the pullstarter?? Mine starts on 1-3 pulls.

I am going to put a new bearing in it and if that fails it's back to the pull start.

Thanks for your help!!!

[jdmm72]

I see something that no one has addressed. I see a lot of posts saying to show up at your local track and race. But with a .46, it would not be legal by most track or sanctioning bodies rules, as most have a limit at .28. So what is the answer to that? Buy a $500 truck and immediately replace the engine?

[CEN Racing]

jdmm72:

We ran our stock .46 engine at most national level race without any issue and have no problem entering the race. In fact, we placed 9th at last race with a stock engine and stock exhaust.

Most local races will allow .46 engine as well.

[doesgo]

And can anyone tell me WHY there's a displacement limit? We have one at our local racing series and I asked why. The best reason they could give me is they said because there has to be SOME limit. Uhhh, WHY? Who does that help? How does that even the playing field?

[Challenger]

I put 4 wheel stearing on my GEN. Very difficult to control on a straight away. Any tips from the wizards out there to stop this from being such a squirrel? :eek:

[Pickett]

I am looking into getting a CEN genesis whats the feelings on this truck is it worth it or should i look for something else???

[Quinton]

Welome Pickett.
Are you new to nitro r/c's or just new here?
Do you want the biggest thing out, or do you want something that's more agile and quick and easy to get parts for at the LHS?

[Pickett]

no i have wrecked a few planes and have an LST but i just came accross the cen. whats the thoughts on this truck.

[Challenger]

no i have wrecked a few planes and have an LST but i just came accross the cen. whats the thoughts on this truck.

My thoughts
Positive side:
It's dependable.
Engine is solid.
Starts easy.
Heavy truck but fast for it's weight.
Looks sharp.
Parts are of high quality but adds to the weight issue.
Easy to work on.
Suspension seems to work great!!

Negitive side:
The radio system is completely JUNK. I replaced mine before I fired it for the first time. You are buying a truck NOT a radio.
I still have difficulity getting the 3 speed transmission to work.
Replacement parts will cost you BIG $$$$.
Lengthy engine break in period.
If you need replacement parts you will NOT be able to find them at your LHS.

In summary, if you looking for something different it's not a bad truck. Others may have a different opinion. :)

[CEN Racing]

The limited Edition Genesis 46 now comes with Airtronics MX3 FM radio among with 3x 144 oz high torque, metal gear, ball bearing servos. For more information, please visit our website at www.cenracing.com

[jdmm72]

The reason there is a limit is to even the playing field. A lot of places use the RC Pro Series rules. They group all production monsters together, including the CEN. Also including Traxxas stuff too. To even the field out with big blocks and small blocks, there is a limit. Also, big blocks are afforded a weight penalty. Small blocks can weigh a minimum of 6 lbs, whereas big blocks have to weigh in at 9 or over.

Also, I know you DID NOT run all of the national level races with the .46, as one of CENs team drivers runs on a local track with us and he runs RC Pro, which means, he was to run a .28 or less. I think he runs a RB Mods .28. Very fast engine and very worthy driver. He drives that thing like it is a stadium truck, very impressive.

Remember, racing is about competition and skill, not who has the most money and the most displacement. Also, if I dare, I bet that RB Mods .28 out performs CEN's .46.

Yeah, I don't run a CEN, I run a LST, and that CEN is not noticibly bigger than my LST, in fact I think the same Proline Crowd Pleaser body fits both.

BTW, our local track has relegated us both to Unlimited monster with truggies, and if I am correct, the CEN does still beat them, but I definitely don't 100% accredit the truck, as he is an excellent driver. Yup, deviations from RC Pro do occur, but they still have that .28 engine displacement limit.

[doesgo]

"Also, if I dare, I bet that RB Mods .28 out performs CEN's .46."

That's basically my point. There are "race" .21s that out-perform .26s and .27s, etc., but they outlaw the big ones. Sure, at some point someone might come out with an uber-powerful .46 or larger engine, but until then, why outlaw it? Kind of putting the cart before the horse, it seems to me. But that's just me....

[CEN Racing]

jdmm72;

Our team leader Andrew Smolnick ran the .46 at US gas champ and placed 9th A-main. He could have won if the servo didnt failed on him. More results are available.

William is the driver you are referring to and yes, he is a very good driver and he is running a RB .28 in his Genesis but he is not the one I was referring to in my last post. Sorry about the misunderstanding

The RB.28 works very well with 40series wheel/tire but the .46 works perfectly with our own 55 series wheel/tire

[jdmm72]

I'm not bashing your truck, William does it justice. That motor is just not legal in the RC Pro Series, that's all. A lot of tracks follow those rules.

[CEN Racing]

jdm72:

I understand. Sorry about the misunderstanding. Some tracks does allow .28 and below only. The rules are set to ensure safety of the staff on the track. Luckily, the races we attend does not follow these rules.

[nomobux]

Hello .. New to this forum. I'm an old hot rodder and have a 32 ford 3 window hi-boy coupe. I have 2 nitro trks, a nitro hydro, a weed eater off shore boat and a few elect cars and trks. I'm ordering a Sp Edition Cen Genesis and would like any pointers you can throw my way. I'm asumming that I should ck and loctite all screws etc. One ? comes to mind. The long and time consuming breakin. I have 3 gallons of 10 perc. nitro. Can I do the breakin with this? I've read where you're idling several tanks which takes up to and hour per. Are you closely watching the temps or is this a non issue at idle with the 46. Any other forums that are geared towards the Genesis would be appreciated. Any good aftermarket sites ? thanx much. Feel free to e-mail or PM

[CEN Racing]

The 10% is definitely not recommended for our .46 engine. We recommend 20%-30%. Each tank will idle about 20 mins or so and please idle up to 5 tanks.

[dosser]

Hi nomobux
You should check this site out www.teamcen.com and for option part check www.neweramodels.com
Tip!! Loctite the grub screws at front and rear diffs.
And as cenracing says idle at least 5 tanks and use 20%-30% nitro.
If you have any more problems please ask at this froum or www.teamcen.com or PM me.
Dosser

[Pickett]

i got my Genesis and i the diff lock in it i was wondering what you guys think of it with it in and with it out what works better

[dosser]

If you have the diff lock installed you will pull wheelies all day long :) but it will wear on your drive train alot. I had the diff lock installed but I got bored on the wheelies.
So if you put in the center diff you will not pull wheelies and not wear as much on your drive train.
Good luck with your genesis

[CEN Racing]

Pickett-

We do not recommend the center diff lock. It does create a wheelie machine but the stress on the drive train is far too severe and you will end up with broken parts in a hurry with that thing in.

CEN Customer Service

[CEN Racing]

*Newsflash*

Andy Smolnick TQs 1/8th scale and Big Block Monster truck running his CEN Matrix Buggy and Genesis Truck. Andy took the TQ in Monster Truck over Tamiya's Jimmy Jacobsen and David Jun by more than 9 seconds in both the first and second round. Andy also won the Truggy class by 15 laps over Jimmy Jacobsen (Jimmy was not 2nd place) using his Genesis Monster truck. We would like to congratulate Andy on his success and thank him for his hard work and dedication. He really does a great job.

Also representing for CEN was William Copley whom did a fantastic job in Big Block Monster truck finishing 3rd with his CEN Genesis. William is the man responsible for the Genesis setup sheets and he has been tearing up tracks all over the Midwest for some time now. CEN would like to give William a big thank you and congratulate him on his finish as well.

Overall it was a great race for the CEN team and we can't wait for Andy to get back to Southern California so we can shower him in champagne. (Non-alcoholic of course)

[mugenX5]

That answers my question (Matrix thread, hot news forum) as to the other CEN drivers name.

Nice job guys!

[CEN Racing]

Guys

THe Genesis 46 Setup sheet is now available on our website www.cenracing.com

You will find Andrew's and William's personal setups for all the races. More setup sheets are comign

[nitrohead5300]

On Williams setup sheet it says he used a .28 novarossi motor. Was that the motor he used in the race?

[CEN Racing]

nitrohead5300:

Yes, William use a .28 motor. Some of the races does not allow .46 so we must convert to .28. On tracks allow .46 to compete, we run the stock engine.

[nitrohead5300]

Any chance that Cen will come out with a higher reving .46 motor ?

[mugenX5]

Any chance that Cen will come out with a higher reving .46 motor ?


Why?

Higher revving engines don't last long, use more fuel, and only break driveline components.

Want to go faster? Lighten the truck.

[nitrohead5300]

Why not!! High reving motors will last long if you know how to tune them and maintain them. And if you are going to be racing you are going to need to beef up your driveline components anyway.

[mugenX5]

"If you know how to tune them and maintain them", which is what most newbies DO NOT know how to do.

Not that you can't race this truck, but I think it's intended purpose was to be a backyard basher.

Besides, I believe the limit on MT engines( ROAR rules) is .28.

[nitrohead5300]

Cen is racing their Genesis truck and with some success. If you had read the posts above you would know that some races they are allowed to used the .46 motor and some races they are not. Most monster trucks have a duality of purpose they can be bashers or racers. I am not a newbie I modify my own motors. I have a Truckzilla with a highly modified .46 motor in it I retired the .46 and put a Novarossi big block .28 I like the performance I am getting out of the big block Nova alot more than my .46 The .46 just did not have any top end speed it peaked out too fast and did not rev.

[jocktheglide165]

heh I gotta say its worth buying again with the aitronics radio setup before I thought it was too expensive now I gotta get another one dang it.

[nitrohead5300]

just update with a better radio.

[bigdawg70]

does anyone make a different exhaust for the truck

[dosser]

Yes
check out www.neweramodels.com or www.vantageracing.com
I have a vantageracing pipe (SA180C) . It's much easier then stock and you will gain alittle more power.

[jocktheglide165]

well I bought another genesis the limited one after selling the first one. cant wait to get it.....

[bigdawg70]

I was on another thread and i seen a nx nitrous kit for a gt has anyone tried one on ther genesis i think its a good concept jus expensive. i was thinking of of getting it jusy for show kinda lika a purge kit

[greatness0]

HHHHEEEEEELLLLPPPPPP!!!!!!! i just recived my genesis limited and it doesnt seem to change into second or third gear.....does anyone have any helpful information for me?..and its very top heavy how can i fix this?

[Quinton]

I wouldn't mess with the tranny shift points until it's fully broken in and you have it in near perfect tune. If you do, then I would refer to the manual and adjust the shift points so it's shifting. I would assume this means turning your shift point counter clockwise a 1/4 at a time until you hear it shift.

[JabbaHut]

I was wondering if there was a way to make my Genesis run like a Nemesis so I could race it? What would the mods need to be? Anyone? Cen racing?

UPDATE: After looking around, I see that the Nemesis is spoting some upgrade parts for the Genesis. So, can some one simply offer me a list of the upgrade part #s and mods that I need to transform my Genesis into a Nemesis.

Thanks

[CEN Racing]

JabbaHut:

55 Series wheel/tire - GS214/GS215
Aluminum Tranny upgrade- GSS07
White Coated Spring (Stiff) - GS018A
23 wheel hex - GSS06 or GS217
MTM brake system - GSS11

There are more, the entire drivertrain are different, please contact us for details.

Greatness0
Please contact us for tech. support regarding the shift point on the 3rd speed.

[JabbaHut]

[QUOTE=CEN Racing]JabbaHut:

55 Series wheel/tire - GS214/GS215
Aluminum Tranny upgrade- GSS07
White Coated Spring (Stiff) - GS018A
23 wheel hex - GSS06 or GS217
MTM brake system - GSS11

There are more, the entire drivertrain are different, please contact us for details. QUOTE]

Where can I buy these parts online?

[JabbaHut]

Where can I buy these parts online?

55 Series wheel/tire - GS214/GS215
Aluminum Tranny upgrade- GSS07
White Coated Spring (Stiff) - GS018A
23 wheel hex - GSS06 or GS217
MTM brake system - GSS11

[CEN Racing]

You may visit your local hobby stores or visit our website for list of authorized online retailers. Thank you for choosing CEN Racing

[Challenger]

Attn: CEN racing or others.
I understand the 3 speed tranny is no longer being used on the Genesis. It is now a two speed. Is this correct?

[nomobux]

Far as I know, the Gen is still a 3 speed. Nemesis has the 2 speed and no reverse. Have you checked there site or e-mailed them ? Where did you get this info ?

[dosser]

according to their website the GEN is 3 speed!!

[CEN Racing]

Genesis is 3 speed foward/reverse. The Nemesis 7.7 is 2 speed forward only.

[chunter]

Hi all,

I just got my genesis a few weeks back and I've found that there's excessive wear on the front left tyre (inner part) whereas the other three seem to wear out evenly/normally.
It's been left on the factory setup and I've been running it on a parking lot. The track runs mostly clockwise. It was only after a few laps that I discovered the problem. I checked for camber, toe, spring load on each sides, but they are the same.
I tried to adjust the camber again but it still has the same problem - on the other hand, if I adjust the camber too much, the dogbone would just fall off when cornering.
A few suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks

[Stingray 43]

I just got a Genesis SE a couple of days ago. Are the stock servos any good?
I replaced the steering servo right aways w/a digital-coreless motor servo.
Why is the break-in procedure so much longer over other nitro-engines?
Has anyone clocked their truck? I've read it does anywhere from 40-55m.p.h

[jocktheglide165]

break longer cause its a bigger engine im assuming congrats on the purchase the servo is ok, but not strong enough need the hitec servos thats for sure.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/rapunzel_1/100_2581.jpg

[Stingray 43]

I'm having a hard time steering my truck with the stock servo. It seems to go in its own direction. Is this because of lack of servo torque?

[jocktheglide165]

I'm having a hard time steering my truck with the stock servo. It seems to go in its own direction. Is this because of lack of servo torque?
noise interferecne?

[chuchdog]

Just got my genesis running idle thru first tank and i'm having problems keeping it running. could this be do to the cold climate as i am in iceland and have had cold days. pull start is taking atleast twenty pulls after priming. I am new but have a good friend that is old hat at this and we need help thank you for advice.

[Quinton]

If its really cold out then I wouldn't be breaking it in now. It won't run the best when it gets hot out (if it gets hot there).
The best way to start a new engine is to heat it up with an old hair dryer so the sleeve expands so it's not so tight (less likely to break your pull rope). If its still tight then loosen the glow plug a tad. To prime your cold and new engine I would put a little fuel right in the carb and then replace the filter that way you aren't trying to prime it while the piston/sleeve is dry and tight.

[jws6776]

I just got the nemesis broke in, and at high speeds the front wheels have enough play that control is an issue, it over-corrects pretty bad, and I can actually see the front wheels wobble, does anyone know if I need to tighten anything down, all the wheel nuts seem tight but the whells move a little, Im only on the 6th tank of fuel and I haven't taken anythin apart yet, except the carb linkage which was not adjusted correctly from the factory,

any help will be greatly appreciated

[eplummer]

I am the proud new owner of a Genesis LE. It is an awesome machine! I have one question so far... with the truck off, how come I cannot spin (by hand) the rear tires in opposite directions? It has a differential, and I assume it doesn't have a limited slip or locker, so I would expect the rear tires to be able to be spun independently of each other. The front tires can be spun as expected. Any ideas? Thanks

[eplummer]

Ok, the CEN website says that the differentials have limited slips, but why would the front differential behave differently than the rear diff? Also, the assembly manual doesn't show the diffs as limited slips. Do they have clutches in them? Is there a diagram that is more up-to-date?

I am the proud new owner of a Genesis LE. It is an awesome machine! I have one question so far... with the truck off, how come I cannot spin (by hand) the rear tires in opposite directions? It has a differential, and I assume it doesn't have a limited slip or locker, so I would expect the rear tires to be able to be spun independently of each other. The front tires can be spun as expected. Any ideas? Thanks

[ericem]

i thought it had a locker?

[jdmm72]

On Williams setup sheet it says he used a .28 novarossi motor. Was that the motor he used in the race?

William uses a .28 RB Mods motor. They are his other sponsor. He is a local at the track I race at. I think somewhere he mentioned that he runs a nemesis.

[js0485]

I have just purchased a new cen .46 LE.
about a week ago ran 1 tank of 20% through with no electrics on, nor batteries installed, truck sat and idled perfectly.

Tried to run 2nd tank through today (have new fuel 25%) with electrics on and batteries installed. When I started it (2 pulls of pull starter) it fired and tried to take off down the street full throttle, electrics seem to be working when engine not running. Have not touch carb. settings bar idle screw. The same thing happened each time I tried to run it, with radio on and off. Whats gone wrong???

The failsafe applies full throttle instead of idle when checked it before start. (Simply turning off the transmitter and then turning it back on) Have no experience with this type of truck nor the airtronics MX-3 radio system. Anyone able to help?? Also running re-chargable 2500 MaH AA Batteries, are these ok??? :confused:

[mariner]

Had the same problem with mine when I first got it. The failsafe is adjustable using the small screw in the top. With transmitter and reciever on (engine off) turn off transmitter then adjust failsafe to bring throttle to idle position. It's either an honest mistake or someone at Cen has a sick sense of humor.

[Ing]

What kind of pipes are you guys using for your NX 76? I see some guys have used .21 sized pipes on theirs with good results, but I'm a little skeptical. What's your experience?

[dosser]

Hi Ing
I'm using a carbon fiber pipe and the resualts are good, it's much lighter then the stock one and it will give a cooler sound.
I don't know if it will give you any more power, but it's cool :)
It's a vantage pipe sa180 C

[Ing]

Hey Dosser. Thanks for the reply. Did changing to this pipe affect you tuning much? I looked up this model number on the web, looked great, and I'm sure much lighter. My stock pipe works O.K., but just not wild about the looks, or size. I see you live in Sweden. Where abouts? Have always been curious about Sweden, as I have several Husqvarna motorcycles. Thanks again for the reply.

[dosser]

No I didn't affect my tuning much, I think leaned the LSN out 1/8 and the HSN 1/6. But I'm not sure because it was over a year since I bought it.
www.headrushhobbies.com has the pipe in stock.

I'm studing in the northen part of sweden in a town called umeå, but in the summer I go home to visit my parents and that's in the southern part of sweden, they live on the island öland.
Yeah I know Husqvarna makes great stuff, I don't own anything from them but it's great stuff.

[gfst]

What kind of pipes are you guys using for your NX 76? I see some guys have used .21 sized pipes on theirs with good results, but I'm a little skeptical. What's your experience?
im using a gh #08108 and what a difference it made. terrible low end torque & it looks cool

[Ing]

Thanks gfst. Is that a CEN part #? Is it off of their buggy, or a option. Where did you buy it?

[gfst]

Thanks gfst. Is that a CEN part #? Is it off of their buggy, or a option. Where did you buy it?golden horizions savage dual outlet pipe from tower hobbies

[BobAruba]

It is nice to see a thread devoted to the CEN Genesis Monster Truck.

A Genesis 46 LE caught my eye in the local hobby shop last week. I couldn’t grab it fast enough. We're still breaking in the engine... running her in easy figure eights... on dirt. The engine is something else.

For those of you who are at your local track in cold weather and it is not convenient to warm up the NX76 with a hair dryer... I find that sticking the engine head into the exhaust pipe of my running car will definitely warm that beauty up. It makes it much easier to fire her up on a cold day.

I can see it now… skid plates, alloy bumpers and tank guard, a full roll cage by VGRacing and maybe some cool “Assault” and “Sniper” rims and racing rubber from CEN Racing… I’ll never get out of debt.

I’ve seen a neat looking rear exiting dual exhaust on a built Savage. Boy that baby was loud. Has anyone seen a similar dual exhaust... for the Genesis?

[gfst]

just installed cen mtm brake upgrade on my le, front brakes are working but rear brakes are spreading discs wrong way like the rear cam needs to go oppisite way to brake correctly, has anyone else made this upgrade and had this problem or am i doing something wrong?

[Ing]

gfst, do you have the arm on top of the brake cam on the correct side? The one the servo pushes against. I lost mine when it was new, when I replaced it, I put it on the wrong side and got the same results you have. The arms for the front and back brakes should be facing opposite sides of the truck. Hope this helps.

[gfst]

gfst, do you have the arm on top of the brake cam on the correct side? The one the servo pushes against. I lost mine when it was new, when I replaced it, I put it on the wrong side and got the same results you have. The arms for the front and back brakes should be facing opposite sides of the truck. Hope this helps.
thanx ing. both of the cams are facing towards pipe;i will try that tommorrow and see if that is my problem just FRUSTRATED

[Scott_GTR]

I am having problems removing the clutch from my Genesis engine. :mad: :mad:

I have taken out the screw from the end expecting the cluch bell to slide off, but nothing!!! :mad: Any ideas?

I am trying to take it off as I have broken the crank and need to replace it. I am not sure why it broke, but expect the engine seized causing it to over load and snap. I have the engine as rich as I can run it before it refuses to pull away and stall, (peaks at 146C on my on board digital meter), but still it must have over heated. :( :(

Also following on from the thread above, does anyone know if the Nemesis brakes fit onto the Genesis?????

First post I know :rolleyes: , I love the truck to bits, but just having teething problems.

Thanks for any help. :)

[pantera]

hi everyone

im interested into buying the Cen Genesis, do you consult me to do so? I have never touched nitro trucks but i have an eight years experience on eletric trucks. It does not mean i dont know anything about nitro trucks because i found and downloaded tons of information from the web. At first when I saw the savage I went mad about it, but when then I saw the Genesis...waw.... it was that kind of reaction. The shopkeeper told me that the Savage compared to Genesis are 'plastic toys'. Is that true?

Thanks for helping me out
pantera

[dosser]

Scott_GTR
The clutch bell should slide direct off!! I don't know why your's don't. Your engine temps are very high, try to get the temps down to 120-130 C.
If you have any more questions please ask or check this site out (it's a CEN Support forum)
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_310/tt.htm

Pantera
I know you will be happy with the genesis, but buy the Genesis LE you will get the latest of all updates. You can alos check out the Nemesis

[Scott_GTR]

Thanks Dosser. :) ;)

[pantera]

dosser
i know i both saw them on the net but the dealer said that the only difference was the radio and the body. is that true? because on the cen website thats the only difference i saw thanks

[dosser]

Pantera
Yes that is the only difference, but you can't be sure that he has the newest Genesis in stock! It might be so that he just want to sell you an old genesis that hasne't been updated with all the new parts. If you buy the Gen LE you know that you get the latest one :)
Just a thought!

Scott_GTR
No problem

//Dosser

[pantera]

dosser
thanks man for the help. but, How can I recognise a newer version of genesis? this is my main prob
thanks man
pantera

[dosser]

Pantera
No problem!
You can tell by more durable rollbar and it should have the Spur Gear & Engine Plate Brace (GS097) http://www.cenracing.com/cars/genesis/parts/gs097.jpg if it don't have the GS097 it's not the latest version.
But I should go for the Nem, it is even more updated with cool stuff but it's more for the racing scene.
If you have more question just ask, I have had my genesis for 1 1/2 years now and i'm very happy with it :)
Good luck
Dosser

[pantera]

dosser
yea i saw the nemesis first but then last week the genesis was shipped in and tought that it's he one, coz like u said, the nemesis is more opted towards racing than genesis, and i am more of basher (i did crazy stunts with my eletric powered truck lol) although i like racing as well. What do you think about thunder tiger mta4? ever heard of it? is it worth looking at?
thanks for your help
pantera

[dosser]

My friend had a MTA4 and it is a good truck but I don't think you could compare it with the genesis. Genesis .46 MTA4 .21 or .28 . Check with your LHS and see what he stocks. If he stock both the trucks spare parts then I should go for the genesis. It will out perfom the MTA4 in high terrain and in mud driving. If you want a true basher then you only have one choice The Genesis....
I know I say that because I have one :) but I really like mine.

PS My friend sold his MTA4.....was to weak he had the .21 version

//dosser

[pantera]

Dosser,
another question - The shopkeeper told me that the Savage compared to Genesis are 'plastic toys'. Is that true? The mta4 and Genesis retailers are different, and i prefer the genesis first and foremost. the genesis retailer told me that he had all its spare parts there... so there's it.
thanks for all ur help
pantera

[Quinton]

Savage's are NOT plastic toys. They are tougher then nails.

[smithn50]

Is it worth it to buy the Nemesis to get the better radio then convert it to a Genesis by changing the wheels/tires and add the first and reverse gears (not to mention the 4WS!)? Deos anybody know if that 4WS is worth while ($60)?

[dosser]

No the savage is NOT a plastic toy, it's the most durable truck on the market.
If you get the LE you will get the same radio as the nemesis.
i think you would be very happy with the gen, becasue of it's size. It's much bigger then the savage ( you can run it over with a gen :) )

Smith 50
Don't get the 4WS, If you don't use your truck for rock crawling then get it.
It will make your truck to roll over very easy in high speeds

Dosser

[pantera]

thanks dosser for all ur help man. Im opting more towards the genesis now. u' ll hear form me if i got any probs. thanks man
pantera

[Billy L]

I would go with the Nemesis but, your cant go wrong with the Genesis converted. This weekend in Sun Valley CA, at the US GAS Champs (http://raceprephobbies.com/USgas.html), at converted Genesis and a Nemesis took 1st and second in STD Monster Truck. (results on s-grid) Lots of "other popular" broken trucks were strongly represented but CEN dominated.

[Big Cennner]

Hey guys, anyone having a problem with their glow plugs going out? my genesis is eating them after about 20mins of play. it'll run well after i put new one in. run for about 15mins then die. ill rotostart it up itll run well again for a couple of mins then die i rotostart it again itll start then die as soon as i remove the glow plug warmer. which at this point im pretty sure that the glow plug has met its waterloo. so i check it and sure enough. either the element is gone or the lil spring is squished all the way inside to the top of the glow plug. very frustrating! i went through 5 plugs in 2days! i talked to a cen guy he said sounds like it might be running too lean.. and perhaps that i might have a bearing out thus making it suck air like a Hoover. haha.. of course.. one other thing i should point out is that i also had put a RB Innovations supercharger on it too.(which makes it run like a scalded dog!!) which of course forces more air into it and of course might be my problem right there... but i did increase the fuel by 1/4 as it says to in the supercharger instructions. i did order some super heavy duty glow plugs to try and see if this alleviates my problem or at least suspends my problem for longer than 20mins of play. haha.. but , im pretty sure in the end, the supercharger will just have to come off and i'll have to run it stock. =-( oh well... i'll fill ya in after i get the new plugs tomorrow...Good day gents!

[Big Cennner]

Well picked up some heavy duty glow plugs last night. although my other ones come in today i wanted to see what would happen with the heavier duty glow plugs.. well good news in the fact that my truck ran great! AND the new heavier duty g-plugs i got were still intact when i checked them out after running! but... now the truck is running way hot! which means its too lean. my on board temp gauge i put on last night read 333 degrees! thats about 50 degrees too hot! which today im gonna see if i can fix that problem. i was running some top fuel by traxxas, it makes it run great, but it also makes it run hot! so im gonna switch back to Blue thunder see if that cools it down. im gonna switch my stock cooling head over to the Nova racing cooling head i got a a week ago and see how that goes as well. anyways... gonna go try that and see whats up then... i'll keep ya posted on the progress in case any one else also goes by the way of a supercharger with their Genesis. it has lots of power! if i can just get by the little problems that have popped up i'll be veryy happy! =-)

[Ing]

Hey Big Cenner, might be your fuel. I haven't used either, so don't go strictly by what I say, but I've heard LOTS of bad stuff about Traxxas Top Fuel. Maybe someone else will chime in and confirm my suspicions. I have never put a new glow plug in my Nemesis, but I don't have a supercharger either. Be interesting to see how this pans out, as I was thinking of a supercharger myself. BTW, Cen recommends Byron fuel. I personally use Trinity Platinum 20%. Switched to Trinity Monster HP for one gallon, and it ran really, really bad. Keep us posted.

[Big Cennner]

Hey Ing! how's it going. So you've thought about getting a supercharger eh? Well if I were you I'd probably wait a while until they get all the bugs worked out with them first. My LHS doesn't sell the Trinity Platinum or the Byron fuel here. I will look for some on line though and see if that can help me any. I did switched back to using the blue thunder fuel that I have which was supposed to run cooler than the Traxxas Top Fuel. But it still didn't stop my over heat problem. I also put the Nova racing cooling head on the motor and it didn't help much either. I also will mention that I bought the fuel pressure option for the supercharger as well. In theory, since the supercharger pushes more air into the motor it thus would require more fuel so as an option, you could buy a little Y connector that screws into the housing of the supercharger and when the motor starts up it is SUPPOSED to push more air through the lines and greatly pressurize your fuel system to compensate for the air increase. I went to the website of RB innovations (the maker of the supercharger) and I found a general "solution" for overheat problems. which what they recommended was to make some restrictor plates and put them at the intake of the charger and to just drill out smaller holes or larger holes until I found a good combo. which I did try and it did help slow down the overheat problem, although it took me forever to get it tuned right with the reduced air flow. I had spoke with my brother about it and he had a friend that was pretty knowledgeable on the subject and they came to the conclusion that there just wasn't enough fuel getting to the motor. He said that you get in essence TOO much air and then you can't compensate enough for it with the setup of the carb. he said that the only way to accomplish it would be to get a carb with a bigger jet. I've got some spare carbs I was thinking perhaps I might try to bore the hole bigger if I could get to it. or if I could find a carb that already had one bigger in it that I could somehow engineer to work with the cen setup, then perhaps that might work. But that is a future job I'm not in the mood to tackle yet. I've since taken off the supercharger and it seems to run fine. I will look for the other fuels that you mentioned and try that just to see how it works. it's not that big of a hassle putting the supercharger on it's just frustrating that I couldn't get it to work as of yet. I probably wouldn't recommend getting a supercharger until they have been on the market a little while longer or you would face probs like me. Unless you are mechanically inclined enough to want a challenge get one otherwise I'd steer clear of them. Of course then again if you don't play with your truck for longer than 15 minutes at a time it might work for you too! haha

[chupacabra67]

can anybody tell me if this mt is a 1/7 or 1/8 from what I heard is huge!. also were can I get one not to many lhs carry cen racing trucks in my area. what are the specs on this mt? thanks. :)

[nomobux]

can anybody tell me if this mt is a 1/7 or 1/8 from what I heard is huge!. also were can I get one not to many lhs carry cen racing trucks in my area. what are the specs on this mt? thanks. :)
There is a a complete spec on cenracing.com and a complete review on rc universe

[Quinton]

Called an 1/8 but it's a BIG 1/8. Check ebay

[Big Cennner]

hello Chupa. about the scale. it's supposed to be a 1/8th scale but ive heard some LHS call it as high as a 1/6th scale. but according to cen it is a 1/8th. you can go to www.cenracing.com and click on the picture of the winners who used genesis & nemesis to place 1st and 2nd in the championship and it will take you to the main page. click the "R/c kits " link and it will take you to another page. then click on either the Nemesis, Genesis LE or the Genesis for the specs on those. it should give you all the specs right there. and also you can click on one of the links to find a dealer near you too. or, you can just go to ebay and watch the listings there are always some listed there from new ones to used ones. which they will have specs on the MT as well in there auction. and there ya go. the LE and nemesis comes with an mx3 controller. i really didnt like it myself cuz my servo's wouldnt fit into the little receiver . so i bought a futaba magnum 3pm which i like much better, it looks better too! but there you go! good luck in finding one! oh yes, one more thing, the break in period is quite LONG but if ya get a good used one hopefully they previous owner already did that. of course that is one reason i would suggest buying a new one rather than a used one cuz you really dont know if the previous owner did that or not. but, im gone!

[chupacabra67]

thanks for the Info big cen, nice truck now I have to check the ofna twin titan specs I'm kind a stuck betwen both genesis looks like less headaches. ;)

[CEN Racing]

Full spec is available on our website www.cenracing.com

Attached is a size comparsion. Enjoy

[Big Cennner]

Ah look gentlemen. there is the picture of the new Cen GST "genesis super truck" =-) very cool! when does that come out Cen Racing? I heard its supposed to have a somewhat improved powerplant? whats the specs on it? i know the body sure looks nice along with the new frame green frame!

[Megabyteme]

Very nice! I like my truck. I like how the .46 handles NO2. The body off pic is after a curb strike at about 30 MPH 1 shock shaft bent and a chewed up spur. The .46 pushes that big 20lb truck easy.

http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/megair/?action=view&current=savage.flv



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[Big Cennner]

Thats a pretty cool truck setup ya got there Mega. how ya like the NOS setup from RB innovations? i thought about getting that for my truck when i bought the super charger from them. but i didnt, i wondered how it would work though. what is that truck you are using the .46 motor on. looks like a truckzilla /savage ? i bet it makes that truck motor around quite well!

[Megabyteme]

It's the new era kit. The NO2 is ok. It gives it a good kick on the top end. I have the SC but on the CEN it didn't tune worth a flip. on the small motors it was a nice little booster. so gave it up. But like I said the .46 is sweet on it and it has more than enough power. Watch the video link on there if you haven't already. My next truck will be that monster a few posts up if it goes into production. That is if my son stays with the 3.3 maxx he has or I give in and get the savy x he is killing me for.

[Big Cennner]

AH, yeah new era has a lot of cool stuff. ive pretty much upgraded my genesis fully to aluminum. not much plastic left. of course the weight is a little more, but it looks awesome! and its more of a basher than racer anyway. although i am building a racer genesis out of my left over plastic parts with very few aluminum parts in the right spots. yeah i couldnt get my SC to tune worth a flip. it wasnt getting enough fuel through carb. it would need a whole new carb to actually make it work one with a bigger jet. i bought a new motor for my racing genesis that im building it has had the engine ported which should ,from what i hear give it a lot of extra power. which i will probably just put the new motor on my bashing truck cuz it would be illegal on racing tracks. oh well. i tried to watch your video link but it wouldnt work. or at least it didnt for me. yeah. that one up a few post is the Cen GST (genesis super truck) which is supposed to utilize the best parts from a genesis and nemesis. and is supposed to have an upgraded powerplant too. but cen isnt talkin too much about that. so who knows? it is supposed to be out in august so you can get one then and let the rest of us know how it is. i would like to have the new body for my other truck im building! yeah those savy x's are pretty nice. but, im pretty much hooked on these Gen's myself. oh yeah one more question about the NOS. from what i could tell looking at the setup on the site. it basically is just squirting 'juice' into the air intake from the moment you turn it on correct? i mean its just on all the time right? cuz that could get costly after a bit i would think. i forget what the price was on the cartridges for it.

[Megabyteme]

No bud there is a momentary switch on it. I will send a pick with a close up. The momentary fires the solenoid through a nine volt battery. Look in front of the throttle servo. The throttle servo is under the air cleaner. I tried the link and it worked for me I don't know. If someone else has a problem it will narrow the problem down to me. I'm liking the CEN stuff more and more.



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[Big Cennner]

Hey thanks for the pic . i know it runs off a 9volt battery setup, but what i mean is, does something connect to the switch on the NOS that makes it inject at certain position of the servo arm? or how does it work? like say if you accelerate when the servo arm reaches a certain spot does it activate the solenoid switch on the NOS? know what i mean? let me try the video link again.

[Megabyteme]

yep right in front of the servo arm there is the momentary switch. you see the 2 Phillips head screws holding it down. at full throttle HELLO! Turn your hat around. $20.00 for 10 5 gram bottles. I'm upgrading to a paint ball bottle and a friend is going to fill it for me. seeing how 1lb. is only 4.00.

[Big Cennner]

Cool! i am gonna order that setup for myself then! thats awesome. i see it now. i was wondering how that would work. i had a theory but thanks for explaining it! wow, paint ball bottle eh? haha that should last for a while or maybe not! haha that's so cool. im gonna go order that thing! hmm i might have to look into getting a paint ball bottle filled up too! thanks man!

[Megabyteme]

Hold on bud. the paint ball bottle is a project me and my Buddy are working on. It isn't easy filling the bottles. Put it this way he hit the pump for a 1 second count and over filled a sneaky Pete. It ruptured and went in a block wall. you have to 1 find someone to do it that is crazy enough to try. next you have to freeze the bottle. then hit the pump and pray it doesn't launch. the burst strength of the compressor lines are 3000psi the bottle is 250psi I think. use the stock jet then go from there. go slow or you will burn plugs up.

[Big Cennner]

yeah sounds like it could be tricky. so if you accelerate too quickly with the NOS at top end speeds if you hold it too long itll burn up plugs eh? yeah i went through that with my SC which im sure you experienced that problem too. haha well let me know how it goes when ya get that big bottle hooked up and read. good luck!

[Megabyteme]

no problem. If you go just a hair rich with the NO2 your fine with the stock jet. It's not that bad. But if you use a modded jet the risk of burning a plug goes up. Play hard pay hard. As soon as I get some video I will post it. It isn't a CEN chassis but that big .46 has CEN all over it.

[Tig]

Man, I saw a Gensis at my LHS today. All I have to say is WOW. Its HUGE and is just awesome looking. How do you guys like your. I may be getting one. Would like to know your opinions on them, + or -.
I also saw a Nemesis w/4 wheels steering, just awesome.
Later

[Megabyteme]

I'm just running the .46 CEN motor on my savage. The engine is a little finicky to me on tuning but once I had it tuned it was a beast. I like the genesis le more than the Nemesis. the Genesis is more of a basher than racer.

[Megabyteme]

OK here is the deal with the supercharger and nitrous oxide injection.
First I changed the engine in my savage from a sure fire.32 to a CEN .46. There lies the problem. New era makes a special fly wheel to adapt to the savage. RBI uses a special fly wheel to run the supercharger. They will not work together to make a fly wheel to fit the CEN engine to run the supercharger. So most of this will be of the Sure Fire .32 set up.
The truck is a 20lb New Era 1/6th scale savage.
http://www.neweramodels.com/?session_id=nbgfwelvxmaumcndhyumshkujhqhghdu
http://www.rbinnovations.com/catalog/index.php

1) without supercharging and nitrous 21MPH
2) with nitrous 27MPH
3)with supercharging 23MPH
4)with supercharging and nitrous 32MPH
The big thing it didn't help the launches. This is a big truck with a lot of weight so it took time to build speed.
Lets talk about the supercharger first. This is the Item with the biggest stigmatism with it. THEY WORK. Mind you not as much as stated on the website. On average 3 to 4 MPH and that is it. Some engines like them some don't. It's a craps shoot. If you have money to blow do it. Will it work for you, got me. The kit is simple and well constructed. it is about 95% complete. If you need to add the auxiliary pressure line you will have to buy a t fitting and a 6-32 an fitting. you will run a little rich or lean it is your choice there is no middle ground. At least not with my engine. The kit also goes on easy and the mounting is basic. The kit is also durable and I never had a supercharger belt break. Final thought for the supercharger is if you got money to blow do it at your own risk. It may or may not boost your top end. Buy a bigger engine if you aren't sure if you want to risk it. There are also optional under drive pulleys that might offer more power but I didn't try these or feel the need to per the performance increase of the kit I received.

Next is the nitrous oxide injection. This kit was also from RBI. The kit is supposed to be a bolt on installation. NOT! The kit is complete with three bottles of nitrous. This IS NOT ENOUGH! The bottle lasted in my truck for about 20 seconds at full throttle. Ten 5 gram bottles are $27.00 including shipping. It was brought to my attention by Chunky that whippets are the same thing and cheaper. So a new supplier I find. Are there risks with nitrous YES! Today I had a lean issue. There was a burp in the engine where it went lean. The nitrous burst killed the engine. When I went to restart the engine the It exploded in the engine or the header. It sounded like a .357 Magnum going off. It rang my ears good. The header was blown off the engine the pipe flipped upside down on it's mount with the pipe coupling went in the field. OUCH! No damage to the engine thank god.
Out of NO2 I hate it. Are you seeing the draw back yet? When NO2 works right it is a real kick in the pants. There is a puff of smoke from the pipe and your off. It is sweet. If you do it be careful and take your time with it.
As for the CEN .46 and nitrous here is what I got
1) no NO2 31 MPH
2) with NO2 40 MPH "OUT OF A 20LB TRUCK WOW!" "for 5 Seconds"
http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/megair/?action=view&current=IM000738.flv
This is of the sure fire supercharged truck. The video of the CEN engined truck will be coming shortly.

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[Tig]

What aftermarket wheels and tires fit the Nemesis or Genesis? Has anyone doen any modding to there trucks if so, what have you done?
I am getting closer to purchasing a Nemesis and would like to see what else has been done to them.
If you have any pics that would be cool to.
Thanks

[Megabyteme]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/jmbuhler/4stroke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/jmbuhler/4stroke1.jpg
ask and you will recieve.

[Tig]

Holy Shmoly Mega, wow thats sick. What have you done to it? Do you have any more pics, some side fews.
Thanks

[Megabyteme]

That wasn't me bud. That is just what can be done with a little imagination. The options are only limited by you.

[Tig]

lol, thanks for the pic. I just ordered a Nemesis. That will give me some ideas.

[jimmykl]

Hi my name is james and i am from auckland new zealand and have just recently purchased a cen gen but i need some help please. I have only had the truck for about three weeks now and used it about 5 times and 3 of those five times i have had a recurring problem, after starting the truck then idleing around for a little bit to allow the motor to warm up i go to change in to second gear and the truck starts revving its **** off and wont change i checked to make sure nothing had come loose and everthing checked out fine i then thought that the forward and reverse selecter might be juming in to neutral so i adjusted the spring and it didnt seem to make any difference so gave up for the day. The following day i tried the truck again with out making any adjustments and it only slipped once and then ran fine for the rest of the day no problems. I used it on the weekend and it started doin it again so i then tried adjusting the clutch to engage earlier and that worked ,then when i went to use it yesterday again the same problem so i tried adjusting it to engage later but still no luck so please please can some help me i would really appreciate it

[Quinton]

Welcome aboard jimmykl!!
(sorry I can't help ya)

[Tig]

I'm sorry jimmy, I havent gotten mine yet. Hopefully someone can help you out.
Good Luck
Oh yeah welcome to RCZ

[jimmykl]

Thanks for the welcome guys , i just talked to a local hobby shop guy and he said to check the clucth cam as it may be sticking or could possible be cracked which is not a good start but these things happen will keep you posted .

[Big Cennner]

Welcome to the Cen family Jimmy! Hmm sounds like you've got a unique problem there man. you can email the Cen tech guys and they respond pretty quickly, usually the same day. I've had a problem recently with my receiver catching a stray signal and it switches the tranny from forwards to reverse as I'm driving. and then when it does switch it goes 3/4 full throttle backwards. its like its possessed! ha ha. I've since changed out the crystals a few times and every now and then when I'm in the backyard running it, it will catch that same signal. its very weird! On a another note, I recently bought a new motor out of a nemesis and it is a ported motor. I just finished the long extensive break in procedure and am just starting to take it out to see what its packing. and I gotta tell ya.. I can tell a big difference with the extra power it has with it being ported. I haven't quite got it fully tuned properly and ive not yet opened it up full throttle and wont for a few more tanks but man this thing flies! when it catches 2nd gear its like rocket propelled the front end nearly picks up off the ground! which that in itself is quite impressive to me because I've nearly switched out all of the plastic parts for aluminum. so for it to be able to do what its doing with the extra weight is just awesome! Needless to say I'm quite happy with the new engine! =-) Good day gentlemen!

[jimmykl]

Cheers big cennner im about to pull the gear box out so i can check the clutch etc, i was tinkering with the truck yesterday and did notice that the forward reverse linkage had been rubbing on the roll bar and was causing some glitching from metal to metal contact so i gave it a tweak which solved the glitching problem but the truck is still missing second gear and revving its **** off and to top it all of i broke the pull start :-{. So while i have it apart im going to order a roto starter as well as another pull starter as a back up and i will take your advice and contact the cen tech guys and see if they have come across this inconvenience before and what the possible diagnosis for it might be thanks very much for your help and enjoy that new engine :-**

[Tig]

I got my Nemesis today :)

[Megabyteme]

so when you putting the twin 4 stroke on it? ;)

[Big Cennner]

twin 4 stroke haha.. ya know i saw a guy that had a 30cc echo motor on a custom built chasis. and of course the thing was huge! probably 4" or 5" longer than the genesis and perhaps the same 4"-5" wider. i think there IS a point where ya get to overkill size wise. i think the genesis/nemesis is just the right size myself. dang sounds like you have the same kind of luck i usually have with things Jimmy. yeah i'd give the cen tech guys a chance see what they say. i think im going to keep the pull start on my new motor. i have the rotostart on my other motor which its fine and stuff , heck it would be nice if ya could use the roto during break in process cuz man thats a workout yanking the cord with the high compression of the new motors! but, its better now, its just more conveinant in the field to pull the cord than the carry the roto start with ya when it dies and of course when the battery pack goes unless you have spare pack cant start it until get the thing charged up. anyway good luck with your truck probs jimmy hopefully you can figure something out soon.
later fellas .

[Megabyteme]

I put a few pics up earlier of a CEN with a twin 4 stroke on it. nice custom job look at the pics.

[splitinfinity46]

Hi all have had my gen for about 3 weeks now . IT took over a week to run in after the final tune up i noticed i was'nt getin 3rd gear so the engine was reved out . you know loads of lower torque then sqit on adjusting 3rd gear I mean you should'nt have to do this on a new truck .i found the 3rd gear expanding clutch commpletely assembled wrong different sized screws of which one was fully tight and so short i could'nt even adjust the 7 half turns on contacting CEN I got a couple of replies then silence its going back to the shop for a quick repair or a refund if the job aint done right I mean £360 plus extras for a faulty truck cen chain must work on friday my nan could hav assembled that g box better and wot about quality control? i think you call em lemons

[tmacfan4321]

i cant wait any longer cen, when are you going to release the gst 4.6??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

[Big Cennner]

I dont guess i saw your post with the twin 4 stroke Mega.. ill look back through the posts and see if i can find it though.. on another thought, i just finished building another lighter version of a genny with the spare parts i had left over from my first upgraded genny.. it's much lighter cuz i went bare minimum on parts. i just built new engine for it and it too is ported. i really like the little extra power you get from porting these motors. i took off the 10 shock X system and went with a losi r setup of shocks. they are super duty integy msr6 shocks which are huge! much bigger than i thought they would be and stronger! i had to custom make some brackets to put them on and had to move a few things around just a bit but it works so far. i got one of the vantage carbon tuned pipes. all i got left to do is make a custom bracket to hold it in place and then add fuel and she is ready to be broke in. i am gonna go via way of the heat cycle method this time. see how that works . i still have a lot of extra parts and stuff, cuz with these trucks you have to have extra parts on hand. it's much easier to just keep them handy instead of having to order them and wait for them to get to you... on another note...an older brother of mine is trying to get me to make a custom frame utilizing my genny left over frames to where it can support a FG motor. after looking at FG's setup it wouldnt be that hard to do that. my thoughts on it before were why would i want to do that? now my thoughts are why not? haha.. it wouldnt be that hard to convert it all you would need to do is just extend the frame back a few inches starting at about where the engine plate is on the genny and of course you would have to widen it just a bit. i would need to know the dimensions of the FG motor first. but the way i was thinking is that you could make the shaft from the FG motor , with some help from custom gearing mesh up with the transmission of the genny. it wouldnt be that hard to get a custom gear made. and that way you could utilize the tranny and brake system of perhaps a nemesis with MTM system on it which i would think would be plenty enough powerful to stop the truck with that much power. i just wonder if the gears of the gen tranny would stand up to the power of a FG motor. the one i was lookin at was a 26cc chromed out oneil motor which i had saw for sale at 260$ the only other thing is you would have to custom make the throttle and rig it up to work in some form or fashion. it could be done though, and would be fun too! =-) anyways fella's good day! Tmacfan i believe the release date on the gst was sometime in august. i know i'm anxious to see what upgrades to the .46 motor cen has made too!

[Big Cennner]

Hey i found your picts of the 4stroke Mega. do you have any more? like of the drive lines and such? or of the undercarriage ? is it 4wd ? so that is twin 4 strokes on the truck? that thing looks massive!

[Megabyteme]

No other pics on it. sorry. it is still 4 wheel drive I think. instead of the fg motor how about this. 8.5 HP. Sticker shock. I talked to a guy that did a 4 stroke revo and he said for the size and weight of my truck a 4 will not do it. :( So I'm looking at twin CEN .46's. Also I will say that I had a gearing problem with the truck called CEN and they were excellent with the help and on the first try got a killer gear ratio for my truck. 18/52 and it flies. But the ugly savage half tank lean showed up so I have to put a saddle tank on the truck to relieve some of the exhaust pressure going to the tank. What is a good tuned pipe for the .46. I'm using the CEN pipe but it is quiet and I want a little more throat to the engine.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EVOE58GX2

[Big Cennner]

Hey Mega. hows it going. i was just looking at that Evolution engine. that thing looks pretty cool. and actually looks like it would fit into the chasis of the genesis with less modification than using an FG motor. its a little bit more pricey than the FG motor i was looking at is though. but it looks like it would be easier to fit in at first glance. if it was a nitro engine i'd say no way cuz its an airplane motor. but since it's gas it could work cuz ya wouldnt have to worry about it overheating as you would with a nitro airplane motor. hmm i'll have to give it some thought.. it's funny you mention about duel cen .46 motors because thats what my brother wants to do to his nemesis and was trying to convince me to do before the FG motor idea. his thoughts on that was lengthen the gen/nem chasis enough to place a motor at front of truck and one at back. which i wasnt listening enough to really remember all that he had said haha.. lemme think.. how was it the one idea he had.. oh yeah. put motor in front and motor in back but also lengthen enough to add another tranny. essentially each motor would operate front or back wheels. which to me would add to much weight. to me the best way would be to put the motors side by side just flip the slide carb on one and then use one of the split connectors to operate both motors at the same time. of course youd have to figure out a custom gearing to make them both operate properly. it could be done and that would put out 10hp! it would just take a little bit of planning is all. post some pictures if you go through with that Mega. im interested to see how it works for you. About the pipes.. i bought a pipe off of the New era models websites. i think its www.neweramodels.com just click on the genesis upgrade parts and go down they have a pipe that is very throaty. i was running that one then i bought a Tsais Race pro with side pipe tuned. it is more of a silencer than anything. i havent got to mess with that truck much since i put it on cuz ive been working on my other truck. on my new truck i just built i put a Vantage pipe on it. Vantage SA180C

https://www.brooklynhobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=PRODSEARCH&txtSearch=sa180c&Page=1

the website here had the cheapest price on one too! =-)
i just built the bracket to hold it in place and now all i got to do is put the full lines and glow plug in and i'll let you know what i think about it. ive heard the vantage pipes sounded great and added a bit more power. im anxious to find out. i'll keep ya posted on it. anyways got to get some stuff taken care of. good day!

[Megabyteme]

Thanks for the info. When I got my .46 engine that is the pipe I have for it from new era. I think the new truck cen is doing is going to be about the same size as my new era savage. The vantage pipe looks sweet. Does it matter if it is not specifically made for the .46? Just remeber that link for the gas engine. the engine has 8.5 HP!!!!!

[Big Cennner]

Well i started the truck today. man i have to say with that vantage pipe on there it sounds great! it really sounds nice! i dont have my radio in yet that i ordered which i bought a futaba 3pm fs-pro for it. i think those are the best in my opinion cuz you can dial in your own channel dont have to worry about changing out crystals. i dont have it yet should be here by friday though or perhaps even thursday. so i'm having to wait on the heat cycle method. i guess i could just use the radio from my other genny but i dont really want to go through the trouble of taking it out of my other truck. yeah im anxious to see all of the upgrades that the new GST truck will have myself. especially with the motor. anxious to see what kind of mods they might have done. i saw a guy from cen talking about some of the mods on another forum but i lost that link dont remember what it was. dang. i dont think it matters on the pipe if its not specifically made for the .46 motor. alot of times you'll see a pipe listed at .28+ and then you see pipes rated lower. which i dont really see what the difference is other than some of the pipes come with machined headers that might not fit the port exhaust of the larger motors. i know you can use pipes with larger exhaust exits or smaller ones to play with your fuel pressure. obviously the larger the exit hole the less fuel line pressure you are going to have. but i dont think it matters on the pipe other than getting it to fit to your truck. which that is why i buy the ones with the rubber boots that i can make fit my gen header. then you just have to fix the stabilizer on the end of it to keep it from vibrating and youre ready to rock! =-) yeah that would be a cool setup with that Evolution motor. if it wasnt so dang pricey though my goodness. they had the retail on that thing at 1000$+ =-O of course it was marked down to a bargain basement $500+ haha.. i'd have to think long and hard before i bought that one. but it does put out more HP than the Oneil race pro FG motor i was looking at does. i was talkin to the guy about it today and he said their motor only puts out 4hp but with tons of torque. i figured it would have put out more than that. i was kind of disappointed. but anyways the girlfriend thinks i need to get off line and take her out to eat cuz its her birthday. i mean gosh the nerve! haha.. later fellas

[Big Cennner]

howdy fellas. ya know ive still not got that radio yet. dang! havent been able to break in the new truck yet. if it doesnt come by tomorrow im gonna be pissed! On another note. i found a guy who does engine mods to the motors. which he said that there are several things that can he can do. Turbo cut the rear plate, relieve the bottom of the rod, oil pools in the case rod channel. Port the sleeve, maybe open the carb. Modified the crankshaft for improved fuel giving it more RPM which equal more HP. thus giving your engine a a little more kick in the butt! with the crank modification all of the fuel flow restrictions are removed; scooped; relieved; turboed and polished. i myself , besides the engine mods are more interested in the carb mods. cuz i've always thought if i could mod the carb by increasing the size of the jets it would allow me to be able to use my supercharger that i bought from RB innovations without it eating up glow plugs every 5minutes. it would be cool if it would work! i am going to send the guy one of my motors and let him do the mods on it and see how it goes. he only charges 55$ to do the whole engine which isnt bad at all. it'll definitely be interesting to see how the finished project runs. =-)

[Megabyteme]

let me know how it goes with the mods. I'm going to get the nova head for the .46. I'm looking for an air leak now. the engine is torn down to pieces getting rebuilt and sealed.

[Big Cennner]

I have the nova head on one of my trucks. it seems to help it run a little bit cooler cant really tell that much though. the guy should have got my engine today so maybe this time next week ill have it back and running. got an air leak do ya? why ya think its got an air leak? were you running lean all the time? ah getting a rebuilt eh? one of my trucks had air leak around the carb where it fits into the crankcase . i put a little bit of silicon on it and sealed it up . it seems to run ok now though. take it easy mega.

[Megabyteme]

Well I hope the port and polish job works for you. If it does that's next for me.
i looked close at the specs on the revolution engine ie. Weight and length. IT'S HUGE!

[Tig]

I have a question for all you Genesis/Nemesis guys.
What do you guys use your trucks for? Bashing or Racing.
If its not too much, can you post some pics to. It would be nice to see what everyone has done to there trucks.

Thanks

[Big Cennner]

Hello Tig. I use my trucks mostly for bashing. although i built one for racing but to ill still have to drop a .28 in it to make the race circuit. but im not to that point yet in my r/c world dreams yet. i'm relatively new to the whole MT experience. only been in it about a year now. it's pretty cool though. i've built 3 trucks and am going to build a 4th as well. here is some picts of the 3 trucks that i've built.

[Big Cennner]

Hmm cant get the pictures thing to work. lemme try again.