Best Street/Race Competition #11 (No restrictions)

[mab_man20]

Welcome everyone to the Eleventh Street/Race Competition!!

The Street/Race paint competition will be open for entrees for two weeks and will close at Midnight December 30th.

Each month we will hold a Best Paint and Street/Race competition. If you can’t get your bodies done this month, don’t worry there will be plenty more to come!!

The winning body may be chosen to appear in Radio Control Car Actio!!

Restrictions: None


RULES for Street/Race competition:

1) Any body may be submitted to the competition (Truck, buggy, touring car, etc).
2) Any body submitted may NOT appear in another competition.
3) Photo editing the pictures (other than cropping and adjusting brightness/contrast) is highly looked down upon and may result in disqualification.
4) Anyone may enter a body (professional painters are welcome!)
5) Please refrain from insulting bodies in anyway.
6) Must fall within this month's restrictions (December restrictions: None)
7) Only 2 entrees per person.
8) Bodies should be painted within the last 4 months.
9) Bodies must be of a "street" look or be painted in a race car style.

Each submission must include the following:
Body manufacturer and size.
Paint used.
Masks used (hand or precut)
And of course, a body.

This month Kden46 will be judging the Street/Race paint competition.

Each body will be judged by the following criteria (1-bad, 10-excellent):

Detail (score 1-10) (decals, grills, mirrors, roll cages, if its on a real car you score points here)
Design (score 1-10)
Execution (score 1-10)


The photo and background will not be judged. All that is needed is a clean photo that clearly shows the body.

Each month we will place some restriction on all entrees.

January restrictions:
Best Paint- None
Street/Race- None

GOOD LUCK

I appologize for my laziness.

[Batch]

Body manufacturer and size: Protoform Mazda 6, 190mm

Paint: Pactra True Blue Pearl, Indy Silver, Racing Orange, Bright White, Daytona Yellow and Red. All RATTLE CANS!

Masks: All masks hand cut.

Inspiration: I love RedBull

http://www.racemporium.com/images/redbull1.jpg http://www.racemporium.com/images/redbull6.jpg http://www.racemporium.com/images/redbull8.jpg

[brad79]

Shell - 1970 Boss Mustang
Masks - Hand done
Paint - Flascolor Compatition Orange and Outlaw Black
LED Headlights/Taillights


http://www.rcnitrotalk.com/gallery/data/508/2606RC_BOSS.jpg

http://www.rcnitrotalk.com/gallery/data/508/2606RC_BOSS2.jpg

http://www.rcnitrotalk.com/gallery/data/508/2606RC_BOSS3.jpg

[3tc GraphX]

body: Trinity Reference pro nitro truck
liquid paint mask
paint mask made by myself (not commercial)
Flascolor paint (special blend)
just ad few sticker & I'm ready to attack the next race !:D

http://www.360topchrono.com/wallshark.JPG

[DonaldE911]

I ready every post and admire most of the paint done by you guys.

I have just started painting again and have not posted anything at all, so maybe my opinion doesn't mean much.

If I was to compete I would not be able to very often for the simple reason that I only paint the body styles that I race. Not one onroad vehicle at all. Mostly 1/10 and 1/8th off road. These bodies dont fit alot of the restrictions. I realize onroad stuff is very popular but I don't have one, or know anyone that does.

Restrictions as far as type of body is bad in my opinion. I do like the holiday themes, but thats just me.

I have no problem with any of the other rules other than "street racer" "mud bogger" or the like.

[mab_man20]

DonaldE911: Thanks for the input, head on over here (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151300), as this is exactly the thing im trying to get input for.

[budlightnmyhand]

Budlight: This body is more of a best paint competition body than a street/race body. You can enter it in next best Paint competition beginning Jan 1.

[KMac]

Schlitznhismitts,

Nice job. Look how far you've progressed just by getting an airbrush and trying a bunch of new techniques: cutting your own masks and using liquid mask, multiple colors, multiple color fades, carbon fiber etc......

Where did you get the mask patterns by the way?

[budlightnmyhand]

Thanks KMAC,
I got the masks from www.*******.com

Mike

[microrcdude]

brad79, wasn't that car in another comp already??

[microrcdude]

budlightnmyhand, Thats an awsome looking body!!! I hope i have something for this comp....

[racinlosi]

3tc GraphX-WOW! That's a fantastic paint job there! I wish I could paint like that if I get an airbrush(which I want one soon.:) ).

[microrcdude]

^^^I agree. that is one nice looking GT body. I like the shark.

[Rahxephon]

Nice starting line up!

I'm particularly impressed by the significant progress I see in budlight's body!

I'm looking forward to seeing more bodies from Budlightinmyhand and 3tc graphx, keep up the good work!

[budlightnmyhand]

Thanks for the nice compliment Rahxephon, coming from someone that paints as good as you it means alot. I have an idea for my next 2 bodies i just hope it comes out like it want it to. Its very very complicated so i dont know how it will turn out, probably will take me a month to paint it. I'll post pics when i'm done. I broked my airbrush yesterday, i smashed the needle cap when i dropped it. I'm very clumsy i tried hard not to drop it but i'm prone to things like that so i expected it. Oh well.

Thanks again,
Mike

[budlightnmyhand]

Here is some better pics taken outside

[dyslexic]

budlightnmyhand great paintjob just one question why is it sitting on a michalobe box?? :p :p

[budlightnmyhand]

:D

[brad79]

It was withdrawn out of the other comp for this one :)

[Nrctc3]

Here's my T-Maxx, it's looks better without the body.

[budlightnmyhand]

MabMan20,
Thats exactly why there should be only one competition. I just wanted to show people my last paint job you can delete my pics if you want to. i'm going to race this body though so i figured it would fit in here. Oh well,

Mike

[mab_man20]

I dont want you to feel cheated or singled out. I have pulled MANY cars from just about every street/race competition.

I continue to split up the competitions because there are people like spoolin who paint and detail bodies almost to model detail, yet the body is only a single color or possibly 2. When it comes down to it, a single colored body has absolutely no chance to complete with your body or some of the winners from the last best paint competition. I do not want to leave these people who enjoy creating true to life bodies out in the cold, i believe they get a chance also.

Having said that, the Best street/race is for bodies that mimic real cars; ie. a Corvette C5R or a skyline with a simple paint scheme. The best paint competition is for people to stretch their imaginations, using the body not to copy, but as a canvas full of any color and design.

[TSR6]

Originally posted by mab_man20
I dont want you to feel cheated or singled out. I have pulled MANY cars from just about every street/race competition.

Yeah, he can be a real jerk sometimes, don't worry, I'll jab him with my soldering iron at the Novak race!

[extremetmaxxer]

heres one a did for a customer i figure its "streetable" enough it being a hummer H2 hahahaha

body proline hummer h2
paint parma transperant red smoke and silver, spaztix color change. alclad II chrome
insperation: idea in head and what the guy wanted
mask bob divley

[extremetmaxxer]

and another, for some reason its really hard to get the ghoast flames to show up when i edit the pics oh well you all get the idea dont you?

[microrcdude]

i can see the flames in the first pic.
TSR6, thats pretty mean.

[TSR6]

Originally posted by microrcdude

TSR6, thats pretty mean.

so? :D

[microrcdude]

how did you change your rank to rafile rockets! fudge!!

[TSR6]

Originally posted by microrcdude
how did you change your rank to rafile rockets! fudge!!

new BB feature..

after being here x amount of years and I think 3,000 posts??? you can change it:D

[PitStops]

here is my entry for this month

Body HPI Cougar 200mm
Paint Pactra metallic black and metallic blue and indy sliver
Mask hand drawn and cut

[PitStops]

pic #2

[PitStops]

pic #3

[PitStops]

I know the last picture doen't match the first 2 but I took it right after I finished painting the body and since have added the new wheels and tires.

Bryan

[microrcdude]

that couger looks great.
I messed up my lancer.....no body for this comp.....:(

[mab_man20]

Originally posted by TSR6
so? :D

So...i have a dremel cut off wheel to defend myself with!

ONGUARD!!!!!!!!!

[TSR6]

Originally posted by mab_man20
So...i have a dremel cut off wheel to defend myself with!

ONGUARD!!!!!!!!!

Yeah? me too... along with my Trinity Carbon Fiber body reamer...

[microrcdude]

I have a piece of scrap lexan!!!! ONGUARD!!!!

[WheelNut]

Here's my 190mm Hpi saleen S7R. I used Faskolor, and Parma acrylics, plus a little chrome for the window trim. Masked with Bob divelys liquid mask.

I think these attachments should work.

[budlightnmyhand]

Wheelnut, that body looks awesome, sure to be near the top of the winners list.

Microrcdude, what happened to your body, it can't be bad. Post some pics.

Mike

[gtrcman64]

http://gtrcman64.250free.com/rig1.JPG

It is on a Team Losi chassi, not sure of witch one!

http://gtrcman64.250free.com/rig2.JPG

[gtrcman64]

The masking was cut by hand and done all by him, he was 14 years old when he did it!!, He is 15 now!!http://gtrcman64.250free.com/sonslambo2.JPG http://gtrcman64.250free.com/sonslambo1.JPG http://gtrcman64.250free.com/sonslambo3.JPG

[gtrcman64]

http://gtrcman64.250free.com/Cad1.JPG

http://gtrcman64.250free.com/cad3.JPG

http://gtrcman64.250free.com/cad2.JPG

[ToxicSoup]

^^woah!

that's a pretty cool body!

[Techno Duck]

Here is my HPI Dodge Viper GTS-R. The body is painted Pacta Outlaw black. It sits upon a HPI RS4 RTR 3.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/412000-412999/412057_18_full.jpg

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/412000-412999/412057_19_full.jpg

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/412000-412999/412057_20_full.jpg

[budlightnmyhand]

mab_man20, I am not complaining or anything, i am just wondering why nalby's car was allowed to be in the street race comp #10 and he used the same design as mine. We both printed the templates from a website. Just to let you know i'm not complaining at all just wondering why his is classified differntly than mine so i can prepare my next car for this comp.

Do you think a HPI Lexus LS430 will fit in this comp or does it have to be a race car?

Thanks,
Mike

[WheelNut]

Here's the rest of the pictures of my Saleen, I had to leave and I've been busy so I couldn't post all of them at the time.

I think the competition is supposed to end on the 30th, so according to my clock I'm seven minutes late with these, but whatever. :D

[WheelNut]

4|\|0T|-|3r!!!(or another for any one who doesn't speak "teh 1337)

[Rieley]

Body manufacturer and size: HPI Lotus Elise 190mm
Paint: Pactra Metalic Green (rattle can)
Masks: none
Inspiration: the release pictures by hpi
http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=3965
http://forums.rcinfo.co.uk/download.php?id=3966

will post pics when its mounted and cut

[Aluma]

Body: Mazda 6 proline
Paint: Pactra white, silver backing
Mask: windows
Sticker set: HPI Castrol Altezza
Chassis: TB evolution 3

[Aluma]

Body: Mazda 6 proline
Paint: Pactra white, silver backing
Mask: windows
Sticker set: HPI Castrol Altezza
Chassis: TB evolution 3

[Aluma]

nice rear shot...

[Aluma]

last one...

[microrcdude]

Body: HPI lancer VI 200mm
paint: parma florecent blue and neon yellow
Mask: painters tape
Insparation: something i can be proud of(which i'm not!post some comments to make me feel better)

[Rieley]

ive got pics now
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/488000-488999/488063_1_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/488000-488999/488063_2_full.jpg

unfortunatly i have had no time to cut it out,and have no car to mount it on :(

Body: HPI lotus elise 2000 (190mm)
Colour: Pactra Metalic green rattle can
Masks:none
inspiraltion: the hpi release stickers


I know i have no chance in hell at winning but id thought id enter anyway

[dkangel]

would my F150 be considered "Street"???

[death_rx78]

Body: Protoform Volvo S60 200mm
Paint: parma black, silver and yellow
Mask: hand cut 3m tape
Insparation: something nice to race, not too fancy but nice to race!

Side Shot:
C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Album\Mis Carros de RC\HPI Volvo S60 (1).gif

Rear view:
C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Album\Mis Carros de RC\HPI Volvo S60 (2).gif


Working on next proyect another Volvo S60!!!

[death_rx78]

Body: Protoform Volvo S60 200mm
Paint: parma black, silver and yellow
Mask: hand cut 3m tape
Insparation: something nice to race, not too fancy but nice to race!

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Album\Mis Carros de RC\HPI Volvo S60 (1).gif

[death_rx78]

:confused: :( What happend to my pics they are not posted:( :confused:

anyone can help me get them posted!:D

[WheelNut]

You have to have your images uplaoded to a server to post the using [IMG]. If the pics are big you can downsize them and attach them to your post. If not you'll have to find a picture hosting site. rcpic s.net used to do it, but no longer. Do a search and you should be able to find a host.

[Top End]

body: HPI eclipse
paint: metallic blue, silver, metallic black and silver mix
masks: hand cut from 3 inch masking tape

[Top End]

cool wheel detail...

[Top End]

rear corner...

[PitStops]

That is a beautiful eclipse body Top End

really like the color scheme!

Bryan

[Top End]

Thanks for the compliment Pitstops, this is one of my favorite bodies I've done so far. Unfortunately it doesn't look quite so clean anymore after several races!

[Zillon]

Here is a Tamiya Mini Cooper body I did for racing my M03L in the ORL2 racing league.

http://home.earthlink.net/~drnike221/minibody2finished.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~drnike221/miniflames1.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~drnike221/miniflames2.jpg

Paint used: Pactra Fluorescent Orange, Pactra Pearl White, Pactra Sprint White, and Pactra Outlaw Black.

Mask used: XXX-Main Skull Flames style-mask

[trw]

My body...painted during November.

HPI 200mm Mazda RX-7
and i used masking tape to mask off the hood.
and i used Pactra Sprint white and Metallic Black

pic 1

[trw]

pic 2

[trw]

and last pic...and sorry for poor pic quality...JPG ruined em a bit lol

[spoolin]

Dont know if i am too late (I am located in Australia and dont know what the date is over on your side)

http://slidecentral.rs-scooby.com/newcamera/EMAXX/Esclade/1.jpg
http://slidecentral.rs-scooby.com/newcamera/EMAXX/Esclade/2.jpg
http://slidecentral.rs-scooby.com/newcamera/EMAXX/Esclade/7.jpg

Hope im not too late :)

[microrcdude]

Spoolin, thats an awsome escalade! Does it drift?......:p

[nitroburner9248]

where did you take the picture? Do you have a greenscreen or something? Lol. Nice rig though..i wish i could get a tub chassis for my maxx but no one makes them

[mab_man20]

Great bodies everyone!


COmpetition will close in exactly 12 hours as the central time zone ushures in the new year.






HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spoolin]

Originally posted by nitroburner9248
where did you take the picture? Do you have a greenscreen or something? Lol. Nice rig though..i wish i could get a tub chassis for my maxx but no one makes them

I ateky mu photos on a large white background, you can get them at most photography stores.

microrcdude:
Not yet
:D

[TSR6]

Originally posted by mab_man20
Great bodies everyone!


COmpetition will close in exactly 12 hours as the central time zone ushures in the new year.






HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...as Mab Man closes the thread in his crazy drunkeness

[microrcdude]

Originally posted by TSR6
...as Mab Man closes the thread in his crazy drunkeness
LOL:D :D

[The King]

Originally posted by spoolin
I ateky mu photos on a large white background, you can get them at most photography stores.

microrcdude:
Not yet
:D

Is that photo lighting as well?

[Kden46]

O.K. Guys great job on your entries!

So here we go

Batch- Great Design and Execution
Detail-8
Design-10
Execution-10
28

Aluma- Good idea and execution with the graphics
Detail-8
Design-8.5
Execution-10
26.5

3TCGraphx-Good Execution and Great original design
Detail-7.5
Design-9
Execution-9
25.5

Wheelnut-
Detail-7.5
Design-9
Execution-9
25.5

Pitstop-
Detail-7.5
Design-8
Execution-9
24.5

Topend-
Detail-7.5
Design-8
Execution-9
24.5

Extrememaxxer-
Detail-7.5
Design-8
Execution-8
23.5

Techno Duck-
Detail-7.5
Design-7
Execution-9
23.5

Spoolin-
Detail-8.5
Design-7
Execution-8
23.5

Rieley-
Detail-6.5
Design-8
Execution-8
22.5

GTrcman64-Cadi
Detail-6.5
Design-8
Execution-8
22.5

GTrcman64-Lambo
Detail-6.5
Design-7
Execution-8
21.5

Microrcdude-
Detail-6.5
Design-8
Execution-7
21.5

Brad79-
Detail-6.5
Design-8
Execution-7
21.5

NRCTC3-
Detail-6.5
Design-7
Execution-7
20.5

GTrcman64-Truck
Detail-7
Design-6
Execution-7
20

Zillon-
Detail-6
Design-6
Execution-7
19

TRW-
Detail-6
Design-6
Execution-6.5
18.5

And the winner is Batch!!! Congrats Great job on your Mazda!!

Again Thanks for everyone who enter!

This contest is now officially closed so get painting! :D

Happy New Year Everyone!

[WheelNut]

w00t 3rd!!! :D Looks like I'll have to up the ante for my next body.

[Chr!s]

Spoolin-
Detail-8.5
Design-7
Execution-8
23.5



Umm Detail and Execution the same as some of the custom paintjobs?

Its a damn one colour paint job, talk about favoritism :rolleyes: .


I dont understand how you can say Spoolins, One colour paint job, is so much higher rated than say Zillions Custom Paint Job.

Anyone can paint a body a single colour :mad:

[KMac]

I don't know how the other judges do their scoring, but in my mind execution means "how well did you perform painting your design". Therefore, if the design is simple it should be really easy to get a high execution score. A one-color paint job would, IMO, have to be scored very low in the design and detail categories as the design is simple and there really is no detail. JMO.

(Note: this is why I think there should be a thread with the sole topic of discussing and defining judging criteria)

BTW, don't take this as a complaint about the judging; I know it ain't easy to do, but is very easy to second guess.

I do have one question, though. Aluma lists his body as a Mazda 6 using White paint with silver backing. Basically, that's a one color paint job and I'm assuming that means everything else is decals? Is that correct or are the swooshes painted, but not listed in the paint colors used?

[microrcdude]

Yess!!! more than 12 points!!! I got 12 on my last comp!

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by KMac
I don't know how the other judges do their scoring, but in my mind execution means "how well did you perform painting your design". Therefore, if the design is simple it should be really easy to get a high execution score. A one-color paint job would, IMO, have to be scored very low in the design and detail categories as the design is simple and there really is no detail. JMO.



Exaclty how i feel.

[Batch]

WOW!! I really didn't expect to win. That's a cool way to start out 2004!!! Great looking bodies everyone!!

[microrcdude]

Thanks, you too. I really liked everyones bodies!! great job!

[budlightnmyhand]

My paint job must have been terrible, i didn't even get judged!! Hahah. Just kidding. Good job batch and that red bull car is awesome.

Mike

[trw]

what makes me skeptical is that me with a TWO color paint job...some pretty good detail provided by the company logos, got lower than Spoolin with a ONE color paint job and NO decals to look snazzy :rolleyes: (sorry Spoolin no pun is intended :D ) but i do agree...some favoratism was shown here :(

to be honest i think that practically every body could have placed higher.

(again Spoolin no pun is intended :D just givin the judge my .02)

[WheelNut]

Spoolins body probably scored high because it is very well done. The trimming is very good, the overall look is great. Plus the awsome pics help to show it off. Detail isn't just paint, its all the small things that go together to make a great looking body.

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by WheelNut
Spoolins body probably scored high because it is very well done. The trimming is very good, the overall look is great. Plus the awsome pics help to show it off. Detail isn't just paint, its all the small things that go together to make a great looking body.


Oh i see, all we need is a high res digi cam :rolleyes:

All these bodies here are perfectly trimmed, Spoolins is a plain black shell, that anyone could do, yet it scored higher than multi coloured paint jobs that take 10 times as much skill to achieve.


As i said in a previous post, Zillions Mini cooper is finshed off brilliantly, custom masks used to get the black trim around the shell, and the flames are perfect, yet it scored so badly compared to a single colour paint job. Completey Corrupt Judging System.

[trw]

plus may i point this out that was stated at the beggining of the competition The photo and background will not be judged. All that is needed is a clean photo that clearly shows the body.

really what this means is backround and pic quality wont matter...as long as the judge can make out the body and it's details...but i must admit backround does make a difference.

[microrcdude]

Originally posted by budlightnmyhand
My paint job must have been terrible, i didn't even get judged!! Hahah. Just kidding. Good job batch and that red bull car is awesome.

Mike
budlight, Thanks for telling me to enter my body!

[Zillon]

That is rather interesting that I scored as low as I did, especially considering the amount of work I put into the body to achieve the results that I have posted here. I also did not use an airbrush, I use rattlecans instead.

I admit, Spoolin's body does look nice, but c'mon, a one color paint job beating out a 3 color paint job that required custom masking?

Maybe I should get a better digital camera for the next contest, so I can be judged on picture quality over body quality.

[KMac]

Why doesn't everybody just wait for the judge's reply before making a lot of assumptions and accusations. And frankly, I don't think he's under any obligation to reply at all.

[budlightnmyhand]

Originally posted by microrcdude
budlight, Thanks for telling me to enter my body!

Your welcome, see you did pretty good. Keep workin on it.
Mike

[The King]

Here is what I have to say. Have the judge score his top 5 and then have a poll for the members vote for the winner:eek: What do you think about that?

[3tc GraphX]

disapointed!:(
everything in the shark was painted and I use liquid mask the shark was draw by hand and I remove the design color by color with a exacto! it is a painting comp or sticker comp?... but i had to say the guy did a great job!:D

January restrictions:
Best Paint- None
in january comp what i do? sticker or paint, for myself paint comp is a place to let talk the artist, the mask, the airbrush or can, everybody can try to put his latest paintjob and have a rank for, or have a opinion for their paint job, You could do restriction like stripe comp & general look so the newbie can have a high score with a straight paintjob & a excellent look with stripe, but please in paint comp we want to see painted body like CharlieB,extrememaxxer, budlightinmyhand & the king and the other,
I really love to see their paintjob and try to be better everytime!
when we paint body we always need to have inspiration! and those guy help me and I hope I help other guys too!

so happy new year everybody!

[extremetmaxxer]

i think my body could have scored higher as well when comparing to the rest of the comp, although i dont thinkt he pics helped at all infact i think that was the problem, i wish i could have uploaded some were you could see all the hidden details that i put into it, ahh well, it was hte judges call and i didnt expect to win.

anyone know were i can upload some good quality pics?
:confused:

[3tc GraphX]

I always take my picture outside at the direct sunlight, the color came brighter, and sometimes I do a black or white background outside so we dont see the snow!:D

[ggfx-mikey]

extreme, do you have free web-hostig with your ISP? if you do, that would be a good place, that or if your friends do.

Cause i have free web-space on my comcast account so i usually just upload the pics onto there, and go from there.

[Rieley]

yay, i did better than i tought. im might have got higher on detail as i didnt finish all the decals,well thats my excuse

[Batch]

Originally posted by 3tc GraphX
disapointed!:(
everything in the shark was painted and I use liquid mask the shark was draw by hand and I remove the design color by color with a exacto! it is a painting comp or sticker comp?... but i had to say the guy did a great job!:D

I agree with you, but if you're referring to my body (not sure if you are) then I didn't use stickers, I did the same as you and had to cut color by color with an exacto.

[HauntedMyst]

I think Mab needs to clarify the street/race portion of the contest. It is not about "best paint", that is what the best paint portion is about. Street/race is for those people who like to make "real" looking r/c cars, with lots of details like mirrors, engine bays, seats, etc or for the painter who likes to make replica paint jobs. Let's face it, there are a lot of guys out there who could give a crap about fancy paint jobs and like realism more and this is there competition. It's just as difficult to win, it's just not about how well you paint, its about how well you execute your vision. None of the cars entered here were really targeting that goal. Nice work, but but no "best street/race" and I don't think that's anyones fault except things got lost in the translation.

continued...

[HauntedMyst]

Does photography count? Yes and no. Two equally detailed cars, equal work, etc. and they should be judged on their merits alone but any judge will look at the careful work the artist did in their presentation and it will add value to that car to a degree. When mab and I were discussing these competitions, we didn't want what happened on the HPI board to happen here, which was you had a few people with simple work and simple paint skills, but who were photoshop geniuses manipulating them to death and earning points for it. They won for their photoshop skills, not their r/c efforts and we didn't want that to happen on this board. It's should be about who does the best r/c work, not who does the best work on the computer.

I'll use spoolin for an example. He's brillant at doing the detail stuff, but the tmaxx had none of it. Detail-8.5? Design-7? There was none of either and it shouldn't have scored so high. I'd like to see the Tmaxx when he gets done with it, but he scored the same as Techno Duck, who went a step further and sponsored his car well?

Stickering does count in this contest. Proper sponsoring and placement car take a car from ordinary to extrodinary. Don't discount stickering. It's a small detail some people do exceptionally well and most ignore or do poorly.

Bottom line, time to clarify the street race rules.

[KMac]

Time to start the "Judging Guidelines Discussion" thread.

[3tc GraphX]

thanks for info! HauntedMyst
I understand the goal now,! so a chameleon paintjob on a saleen S7R with working headlamp, mesh grill, and driver window cut to look 1/2 open with a driver inside & big break disk inside the wheel, with 2 tail pipe probably have won the contest !
So I will work on one for the next street/race contest!

[Zillon]

I believe my paint job applies just fine to the Street/Race category, so I'm still a little flabbergasted at how low I scored.

[Aluma]

wow...I'm getting better at this!

I know it was a one color job, and I COULD have done the red/green splashes with paint, BUT why? They were already there...and I think it took me longer to get them stickers just right and make them conform to the body than painting them!

This is my new racebody afterall...besides, ever since I saw the tamiya celica GT-4 rally car paint scheme, I've just had to do it once on a race body....my wife thinks it looks stupid though. :P

anyway, happy new years y'all!

[NoRotorLS1]

trw,

Nice decals, but JESEL=valvetrain parts, and JE Pistons = ...pistons; Both won't be found on a rotary. Also the Weiand decal. You can just say it has an LS1 under the hood ;)

[trw]

lol....i wouldnt know im only 13 :rolleyes: i cant even drive yet.....the decal sheet had group(s) of decals placed into sections so i could just cut one whole section out and stick it on without having to cut each individual decal out, saves alot of time and ends up lookin neater.

[Kden46]

Hey everyone all I can say is I tried my best to make the best decisions possible. I am sorry if some people don't agree with my choices but that's your right.

I kind of based my judging on the scores I got in the last street/race comp.

I don't see how I showed any favortism towards any one persons entry.

As for choosing my top 5 and taking a poll, the top 5 would be the same as it was already listed. And bottom line is Batch would still be the winner!

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by Kden46


I kind of based my judging on the scores I got in the last street/race comp.



Theres favoritism there for you then, someone gets a high score in a past comp, does a simple paint job this time, and his score for his simple paint job is based on his previous comp entry.

:rolleyes:

[budlightnmyhand]

Hey guys,
No need to argue anymore. If you don't like how you scored this time, use it as motivation to make you want to paint better next time and get a higher score. I think everyone who entered did a great job.

Since this is a street race competition, i think everyone who submits a picture should have their body mounted on a car or at least sitting on a chassis with wheels. Since this is not about best paint job, and more towards what a real car should look like i think that every aspect of the car should be judged. For example how the wheels actually resemble the full scale car's wheels. I mean thats what this comp is here for correct? For people with 1 or 2 paint color scheme's trying to get the look of a real street/race car?

Lets get the best paint comp going soon mabman!! Can't wait to get some inspiration from that!

Happy New Year everyone.

Mike

[JDAWG53]

Guess what guys, the judging is done and that is the way it goes. No, we don't always like how it goes, but its only one persons opinion. If you can't take the criticism or are afraid your ego will get damaged then don't enter your bodies in the comps. Just post it on the boards for everyone to see.
If you have a question about the judging of a comp be considerate of the judges feelings and pm or e-mail him/her with it. Don't get on the board and rant and rave about how you were robbed and the judge was bias and I was cheated and the worlds against me and my amazing artistic abilities.
It is really bringing down the fun of putting your body in a comp. I love posting bodies and can't wait until the next one, but if it requires scrolling throug a page of soap opera then I may think twice. Just remember that this is for fun and use the criticism to push yourself.
I hope this can be put to rest now and we can all look forward to many close and exciting comps in the new year.

[jediwalker]

Well said....I couldn't agree more!!!!!

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by JDAWG53
Guess what guys, the judging is done and that is the way it goes. No, we don't always like how it goes, but its only one persons opinion. If you can't take the criticism or are afraid your ego will get damaged then don't enter your bodies in the comps. Just post it on the boards for everyone to see.
If you have a question about the judging of a comp be considerate of the judges feelings and pm or e-mail him/her with it. Don't get on the board and rant and rave about how you were robbed and the judge was bias and I was cheated and the worlds against me and my amazing artistic abilities.
It is really bringing down the fun of putting your body in a comp. I love posting bodies and can't wait until the next one, but if it requires scrolling throug a page of soap opera then I may think twice. Just remember that this is for fun and use the criticism to push yourself.
I hope this can be put to rest now and we can all look forward to many close and exciting comps in the new year.


I didnt even enter a body into the comp, so i dont see how "hurting my ego" applies. Im a outsider who watched the judging and the entering of the bodies, and can easily see how wrong the judging went.

Also, Ranting and raving? please, its pretty obvious to anyone who can think for themselfs how the judging system is biased.

This "Soap Opera" as you so wonderfully put it, is after the results, so you did not need to read it, that was your own choice, i could understand if it was before but it is not.

Originally posted by JDAWG53
I hope this can be put to rest now and we can all look forward to many close and exciting comps in the new year.

How patronising can you be?

[SpeedMunkey]

How can you look at Spoolin's body and NOT be impressed? Ok, it's just one color... Now look at thosee body lines? The grille? The lights? (which a guy look Sppolin probably painted and didn't use a decal!) Hell, it's probably the most realistic looking body I've seen on here in a long time. Is it "street-racey"? Not really, but it certainly is "street" cuz that's what they look like when you buy em off the lot.

Stop knocking him for his understated elegance. A body doesn't need to have 35-40 colors, tons of decals and Japanese writing on the side of it to look good. You try putting the detail into a body that he does, then come whining about favoritism.

http://slidecentral.rs-scooby.com/newcamera/EMAXX/Esclade/1.jpg

[jediwalker]

Chr!s,

First of all I'd like to welcome you to the boards since you are a new member and although you don't seem to show the same respect to others I do respect your firm opinions...but that being said they simply are YOUR opinions and since we're giving our opinions so openly I'd be lying if I didn't think you opinions are retarded and seem to have as much credibility as..... well a brand new member that has never even posted any work of his own. It's easy to criticize but a lot harder to gain respect and credibly by showing you have any real painting talent of your own.

Feel free to post as much crap you would like about the judging, myself, the state of the world today....hell that's the beauty of free speech but don't expect me or many other members to this forum to give a rats ass about you grips or objections.

That being said, I congratulate all the entries in this completion. And I even though the judge may see things differently that I would I till support his judgments because he earned the right to judge in the first place.

[microrcdude]

Originally posted by jediwalker
Chr!s,

First of all I'd like to welcome you to the boards since you are a new member and although you don't seem to show the same respect to others I do respect your firm opinions...but that being said they simply are YOUR opinions and since we're giving our opinions so openly I'd be lying if I didn't think you opinions are retarded and seem to have as much credibility as..... well a brand new member that has never even posted any work of his own. It's easy to criticize but a lot harder to gain respect and credibly by showing you have any real painting talent of your own.

Feel free to post as much crap you would like about the judging, myself, the state of the world today....hell that's the beauty of free speech but don't expect me or many other members to this forum to give a rats ass about you grips or objections.
^^^^ I agree with you there. chris, could you be a little nicer to people on the boards?

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by SpeedMunkey
How can you look at Spoolin's body and NOT be impressed? Ok, it's just one color... Now look at thosee body lines? The grille? The lights? (which a guy look Sppolin probably painted and didn't use a decal!) Hell, it's probably the most realistic looking body I've seen on here in a long time. Is it "street-racey"? Not really, but it certainly is "street" cuz that's what they look like when you buy em off the lot.

Stop knocking him for his understated elegance. A body doesn't need to have 35-40 colors, tons of decals and Japanese writing on the side of it to look good. You try putting the detail into a body that he does, then come whining about favoritism.

Thank you for proving my point. Here is someone really impressed by a stock one color body because of the photography. The grill, head lights and tail lights are all standard decals. Spoolin didn't do any of his usual wizardry with this truck. What he did do is some great photography.

[budlightnmyhand]

Lets change the subject.

Is anyone getting ready for best paint comp? If so i would like to hear of your idea's on what you will be entering.

Mike

[extremetmaxxer]

Originally posted by budlightnmyhand
Lets change the subject.

Is anyone getting ready for best paint comp? If so i would like to hear of your idea's on what you will be entering.

Mike


i ab no idea! :mad:

im stuck for good ideas right now, i need to do a body with my logo on it for a hobby shop, i need to do another for my M18 and i got a dodge power wagon and a alfa romeo that needs to be painted but cant think of anything cool, mabey somehting with some dragons i dunno, gotta do somethign that looks good becuase i'll be selling it on e-bay

[budlightnmyhand]

For the powerwagon, make it a woody mobile!!! Like the one chevy chase buys in the National Lampoons vacation movie where they go to wally world!!!

Mike

[Zillon]

Originally posted by SpeedMunkey
How can you look at Spoolin's body and NOT be impressed? Ok, it's just one color... Now look at thosee body lines? The grille? The lights? (which a guy look Sppolin probably painted and didn't use a decal!) Hell, it's probably the most realistic looking body I've seen on here in a long time. Is it "street-racey"? Not really, but it certainly is "street" cuz that's what they look like when you buy em off the lot.

Stop knocking him for his understated elegance. A body doesn't need to have 35-40 colors, tons of decals and Japanese writing on the side of it to look good. You try putting the detail into a body that he does, then come whining about favoritism.


PUH-LEASE. I have always been impressed by Spoolin's photography, but it should not be a factor in the judging at all. Yes, the picture should be clear, and if it isn't, then disqualify it, but one should not judge on how much detail the picture has. That puts guys who have better paint jobs behind because they simply do not have either the camera skills, or the equipment to make a nice looking picture.

He took a Pro-line Escalade body for the maxx, grabbed some black paint, either for an airbrush or spraycan, and swabbed the body in a couple coats of black. Nearly anybody can do that, it is not difficult at all. He just used his good photography skills and equipment to get a good finish, discouraging others who do not have nearly as good skills or equipment.

No leghumping please, take that to the Traxxas forums.

If he entered that body, and received that score, then I could have entered this body of mine and recieved the same or better score.

http://home.earthlink.net/~drnike221/E-maxxdodge3.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~drnike221/DodgeHershey5.jpg

[SpeedMunkey]

I guess I'm the only one with a good enough video card to see the chrome body lines? I've tried painting those, and they're not easy. I'm not saying his body was good enough to win (I think the Ecclipse from about page 2 shoulda been in that spot..) but it certainly wasn't "just a one color job". Ok, so he used some decals.. I'm a bit less impressed, cuz I figured he mighta actually put some work into em, but they still suit the model very nicely.

Oh and the nicest thing about that Ram are the shock socks ;)

[SpeedMunkey]

Originally posted by Top End
body: HPI eclipse
paint: metallic blue, silver, metallic black and silver mix
masks: hand cut from 3 inch masking tape

Sorry, it was on page 3 =) I personally think this is fabulous work. Realistic, something I might expect to see run out near the old airport on Saturday nights.

[budlightnmyhand]

There are no chrome lines on that body. just reflection of light that makes it look like chrome.

Anyone have any idea's yet for best paint comp?

mike

[SpeedMunkey]

http://slidecentral.rs-scooby.com/newcamera/EMAXX/Esclade/2.jpg

I'm the only one that sees those chrome lines?

Spoolin? Clarify please. If that is a reflection, then I'm duely impressed with your camera skills.

[Zillon]

Looks like a reflection to me.

[budlightnmyhand]

If it was a chrome line on the door why would he not put it on the back door that opens also? I don't see any chrome back there. I think it just happened to look like one the way the light bounced off the door line from the sunlight. Just my opininion, i hope spoolin can help us out :)

Mike

[integra d12]

WOW this feels familiar.....

[SpeedMunkey]

I could be wrong, but it looks like chrome trimmed body panels to me. If I am wrong, then yeah, the score is indeed unjustified. Perhaps the judge saw/thought he saw then same trim work as me? I don't know, it don't really matter anyway cuz this is all subjective. The things I like, that cool eclipse for example, may or may not be what someone else likes and vice versa. In the end, it was the judge's call and with the group this contest had, I do not envy them =)

[mab_man20]

Originally posted by integra d12
WOW this feels familiar.....

Ditto.



Due to the fact that people are making a habit of bickering about the judging (im not naming names, nor putting those people down), we are going to take a month off for January and I'm going to define each competition and the judging requirements. I do not feel that the rules are flawed in anyway, its simply people are complaining that simple schemes are winning the "street/race" (which is basically WHY we have that competition).

Im sorry to disappoint people (budlight...thanks for your enthusiasm), but I feel that this is needed because people are losing sight of the purpose of these competitions.

Happy New year!

I will continue posting in the OTHER thread, please only post congrats to the entrees and other related posts. No negative or argumentative posts here. Save them for the other thread.

[The King]

See what you did now:mad:

[KMac]

If I have to stop this car.........

[budlightnmyhand]

Thats ok mabman_20, we needed to take a break. People need to stop bickering. I guess most people don't know that this is a privelage to have these competitions and sometimes people take it for granted. Hopefully people can calm down in a month, and let the judges be judges :)

I was practicing airbrushing today and boy do i SUCK at fading. I have to keep practicing. It didn't help my airbrush was spitting again!!

KMAC, if your driving and your reading this post, there is a problem! You'd be almost as bad as a woman putting on her makeup while driving!

Can't wait till next comp.

Mike

[Kartracerx55]

I think I might be blind but, when is the next competition? These things are the coolest!
Best Regards,

Kartracerx55

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by jediwalker
Chr!s,

First of all I'd like to welcome you to the boards since you are a new member and although you don't seem to show the same respect to others I do respect your firm opinions...but that being said they simply are YOUR opinions and since we're giving our opinions so openly I'd be lying if I didn't think you opinions are retarded and seem to have as much credibility as..... well a brand new member that has never even posted any work of his own. It's easy to criticize but a lot harder to gain respect and credibly by showing you have any real painting talent of your own.

Feel free to post as much crap you would like about the judging, myself, the state of the world today....hell that's the beauty of free speech but don't expect me or many other members to this forum to give a rats ass about you grips or objections.

That being said, I congratulate all the entries in this completion. And I even though the judge may see things differently that I would I till support his judgments because he earned the right to judge in the first place.



Oh boy, yes i sole heartedly agree with you there, i mean all famous Art Critics of the world are also famous Artists arent they? Hope you get the ounce of sarcasem in that sentence, as you seem to be a tad short.

Secondly, going on "new member, must be thick" plot is very immature, due to the fact you dont know me, and your just trying to get "one" over me, by using that against me.


Respect, woah we opened up big can of worms here, how would you define respect on a internet BB? If you define respect as Kissing everyones rear end, so that you dont say a "naughty" word, speak a comment that someone may not agree with then you are truly mistaken or being true to the politcal correct world that we live in where, you cant speak your mind without being shot down for it.

Respect can be given in many a way, it can be given via giving a comment some may not agree with.

You obviously have no take on this situation and are just trying to be the "hero" that stops the "bickering".

From the replies since your thread, you can see that i am not on a single handed Crusade to ruin the "privaliages" of members here, as others also share the exact same views as me.

So ill now end my stupidly long reply with the definition of "retard".


re·tard2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rtärd)
n. Offensive Slang

1. Used as a disparaging term for a mentally retarded person.
2. A person considered to be foolish or socially inept.

My Views and comments do not fall into any of those categories.


Thank you, and good night.

[trw]

uh oh.....looks like this is not going to be pretty.....i suggest that this does not continue and ends now

[Racin Rev]

I have to say that I think that I would have judged the comp in much the same way with some possible minor variations. I think that there were many nice enteries, as usual. Evaluation is ALWAYS SUBJECTIVE! and could never be otherwise.

Besides this is for the fun of showing off your stuff. I always look to see what great things are going to be posted, to give me new ideas.

In the last comp Charlie B, entered and didn't win! I believe that he is the single most talented painter in R/C period! (and i don't neccessarily like all of his themes). The thing is, there were many great entries, and while i would be proud to have that shell on my buggy, somebodies individual body won out. some monthes I don't even see who's body won. that isn't what is importent. so what i am saying is: play nice and post bodies!

btw, Chr!s for someone to whine and pout and refuse to recieve correction could qualify one as "foolish or socially inept."

[SpeedMunkey]

Originally posted by Racin Rev
I have to say that I think that I would have judged the comp in much the same way with some possible minor variations. I think that there were many nice enteries, as usual. Evaluation is ALWAYS SUBJECTIVE! and could never be otherwise.

Besides this is for the fun of showing off your stuff. I always look to see what great things are going to be posted, to give me new ideas.

In the last comp Charlie B, entered and didn't win! I believe that he is the single most talented painter in R/C period! (and i don't neccessarily like all of his themes). The thing is, there were many great entries, and while i would be proud to have that shell on my buggy, somebodies individual body won out. some monthes I don't even see who's body won. that isn't what is importent. so what i am saying is: play nice and post bodies!

btw, Chr!s for someone to whine and pout and refuse to recieve correction could qualify one as "foolish or socially inept."

I agree here, and stated something similar earlier. What one LOVES, another may now. I personally loved that Eclipse, but some else didn't. I hope the artist of it will take the complement and know that someone really enjoyed seeing it. Also, I come to this thread to see nice art work, and see what people are producing. I love to see stuff from Haunted, Spoolin, Charlie B and the others I'll simply call greats. Then to see someone run down one of these people's projects like Chr!s did simply infuriates me.

Also, I think calling off next month's contest is very 3rd grade. Let people criticize the judging, that's what an opinion board is about. If we all came here and said "oooooh, the generic which car body is the best" then how much fun is that? Let the contest go on.... Just put out the flames when they show up and all will be fine. sheeeeeeesh....

[Zillon]

How about you guys who organize this thing have 2 or 3 people judge it instead of one, because that person may be biased against a person, or may not like a particular design because they have always disliked it.

[Kden46]

How about anyone unhappy with their score tell me what score you want and I'll change it for you? Then from now on we can all just enter and judge our own cars so that no one will be dissappointed with their scores!!!

[Kden46]

Originally posted by Chr!s
Theres favoritism there for you then, someone gets a high score in a past comp, does a simple paint job this time, and his score for his simple paint job is based on his previous comp entry.

:rolleyes:

What are you talking about? I said I kind of based my judging on the scores that "I" got for winning the last comp! Not what someone else got.

[Kden46]

Originally posted by Zillon
How about you guys who organize this thing have 2 or 3 people judge it instead of one, because that person may be biased against a person, or may not like a particular design because they have always disliked it.

I don't know you any better than I know Spoolin or any of the other entries. So how am I being biased?

[HauntedMyst]

Having 2 or 3 people judge it would be a logistical nightmare. Who would be in charge of organizing them over the internet? How would they be picked each month? Who would tally their scores? If you read back, you can see that some of the judging has been late with only one judge, image coordinating two or three. What seems like a simple process in person would be an ugly task month after month for this contest and it just wouldn't work.

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by Racin Rev
I have to say that I think that I would have judged the comp in much the same way with some possible minor variations. I think that there were many nice enteries, as usual. Evaluation is ALWAYS SUBJECTIVE! and could never be otherwise.

Besides this is for the fun of showing off your stuff. I always look to see what great things are going to be posted, to give me new ideas.

In the last comp Charlie B, entered and didn't win! I believe that he is the single most talented painter in R/C period! (and i don't neccessarily like all of his themes). The thing is, there were many great entries, and while i would be proud to have that shell on my buggy, somebodies individual body won out. some monthes I don't even see who's body won. that isn't what is importent. so what i am saying is: play nice and post bodies!

btw, Chr!s for someone to whine and pout and refuse to recieve correction could qualify one as "foolish or socially inept."



We are on a internet Forum, not reality, so the term "socially inept" does not apply to this situation.

[FCACMilan]

I dont know I may have missed it but CHR!S where is your car, truck, or buggy. I didnt see one. Who are you campaining for. You didnt loose or win, you didnt even enter. I personaly think that Spoolins truck is beatiful the overall apperance is great and i think the points he was awarded are just, but on the other hand I have as much room as you do to come in here and gripe or complain b/c I like yourself had no horse in this race. judgeing is judgeing it is based on one persons oppinon and how they feel about the item at hand. So give it a rest and deal with it!!

[Racin Rev]

boorishness, stupidy, and rudeness know no bounds. if you are that way on the internet, you are likely that way in "real" life. check yourself.

[calvin3]

Originally posted by FCACMilan
I dont know I may have missed it but CHR!S where is your car, truck, or buggy. I didnt see one. Who are you campaining for. You didnt loose or win, you didnt even enter. I personaly think that Spoolins truck is beatiful the overall apperance is great and i think the points he was awarded are just, but on the other hand I have as much room as you do to come in here and gripe or complain b/c I like yourself had no horse in this race. judgeing is judgeing it is based on one persons oppinon and how they feel about the item at hand. So give it a rest and deal with it!!

I have to second this.....

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by Racin Rev
boorishness, stupidy, and rudeness know no bounds. if you are that way on the internet, you are likely that way in "real" life. check yourself.


Im not even going to attempt to understand your reply, unless you correct your spelling and grammar.

[FCACMilan]

Thank you calvin, I just enjoy comeing in here to see the sweet rides, and to have to listen to someone not even in the comp gripe and coplain just kills me.

[Chr!s]

Originally posted by FCACMilan
judgeing is judgeing it is based on one persons oppinon and how they feel about the item at hand. So give it a rest and deal with it!!


For starters i have nothing to "deal" with as you so kindly put it. You in that sentence that i have quoted, have just stated the obvious reason why the judging is biased.

Its based on one persons opinion only, that makes a unfair results system. In the Olymipic scoring system you have a number of judges then take the averages, that would work much better in a competition like this.

Please stop trying to under mind me with your pathetic attempts.

[extremetmaxxer]

would some one just lock this thread already and shut these people up! ugh do you relize what your doing by arguing? your ruining the integrety of the competion its self and due to all this BS and arguing we wont even have a comp for january, and you know what that makes me pissed off because some punk kids can't stop arguing! :mad:

mab man please just close this thread!!! and not let the bickering continue.

the great and allmighty extreme has spoken! :)

[The King]

Originally posted by extremetmaxxer
would some one just lock this thread already and shut these people up! ugh do you relize what your doing by arguing? your ruining the integrety of the competion its self and due to all this BS and arguing we wont even have a comp for january, and you know what that makes me pissed off because some punk kids can't stop arguing! :mad:

mab man please just close this thread!!! and not let the bickering continue.

the great and allmighty extreme has spoken! :)

I second that, This is suppose to be a paint thread not a BS thread. Now bow to "The King":D

[Racin Rev]

Originally posted by Chr!s
For starters i have nothing to "deal" with as you so kindly put it. You in that sentence that i have quoted, have just stated the obvious reason why the judging is biased.

Its based on one persons opinion only, that makes a unfair results system. In the Olymipic scoring system you have a number of judges then take the averages, that would work much better in a competition like this.

Please stop trying to under mind me with your pathetic attempts.

This isn't the olymipic(s) (sic) it is an informal competition.
And it is undermine not under mind.

for all your willingness to attack me on a simple misspelling you neither know the language nor its usage.

you are truly an idiot, which, by the way derives its meaning from the Greek word idios which means "one's own" for a Greek, one who failed to receive correction was going his own (idios) way, which was no virtue in cultured society. Hence the term idiot.

[rs43evo]

someone just got owned...

[streetracer]

ah, im too late!:(

[mab_man20]

Chr!s: Before you post again please read the rules in the first post and quote the rule you are breaking.

Thank you

I have reported this post to be closed.

[StevePond]

I cannot believe some of the selfish, whiny crap that I see in this thread. Mab_Man20 selflessly spends a lot of his time organizing and motivating some activities in this forum. You know what he gets for all his efforts?! Zip, nada, nothing. That's right, he does this out of a desire to share with other people that are passionate about painting and detailing.

Whining about not winning a contest for which THERE IS NO PRIZE other than the accolades of you peers, has got to rank up there with the dumbest, most self-centered crap I've ever seen. I've given mab-man20 the ability to delete and move threads as he choses and the ability to ban users, so next time he won't have to wait until I read my email to ban some ass munch.

I will also keep an eye on this forum because I don't have much patience for people that would treat a good-natured, helpful person like mab-man20 so poorly.