Painting Competition input (please read)

[mab_man20]

For those of you who have not been following the last few pages of the Best Paint competition #11, we have been discussing a few future plans and ideas for the competitions.

First off, each month one of the two winners will be choosen and will have their body appear in RCCA in the Painter's Corner.

I asked the following question:

"With the level of painting rising maybe its time to get rid of the restrictions every other month. What are your thoughts? Do the restrictions allow more beginner to medium level painters a chance because they dont have to compete with complex schemes like Rex's and extreme's?"

If you wish to read the thread click here (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=149214&perpage=40&pagenumber=4).

Please give me your ideas and thoughts.

The final thing, is after the January competitions i will try to dig up all the winning bodies and we will do a vote for the best of the year.

[budlightnmyhand]

To simply answer this question posted by mabman20 "With the level of painting rising maybe its time to get rid of the restrictions every other month" i would have to say the answer would be yes.

Reasons:

1) I am a begginer painter and being restricted to compete against the top painters would discourage me to enter the contest. I want to know how i am progressing and the only way to know would be to put my painting up against the best. I would rather loose to a good painter, than beat a painter of the same skill level as me.

2) Restrictions are exactly what they mean, they "restrict" someone from painting something. From my point of view its hard to tell someone how to paint something. I get idea's all the time and they might not fit into your categories so they are worth getting rid of.

My 2 cents.

Mike

[The King]

I would have to say let the artist come up with their own paint design. Don't restrict them on what they can enter.

If you are a beginner painted enter your body anyway. You may not win against the top winners but the reward could be a self satisfaction that you did your best. That is all the is about anyway best of paint. Right?

[cretin]

i would simply have two classes:

1)airbrush
2)rattlecan

themes limit entries.

[Z-tuner]

my vote goes to more variable theme restriction, we have not done buggy only, monster truck only, imports only for a long time. Street race competition is too general.

[1DVSRCR]

I say you leave it at that "BEST PAINT". It wouldn't matter if it came from a can or brush, or whether it fit a certain category.
If the entrants skills are not up to the standards of the "pros" then I think it will push them to fine tune there skills as well as get feedback from them and others in the forum.
If they're to scared to enter than that is they're lost at some constructive criticism.
I too am not a PRO, but the level of recent paint comps has risen and has caused me to try harder and learn new techniques I never thought I would be able to

Being patient, practice, and a goal to become as good as the top painters here. stems from the paint schemes not a rattle can paint job that my son could do blindfolded

Besides if your painting to win the comp, then you have missed the whole reason for painting to begin with. Its an expression of your likes and style and shouldn't matter whether everyone agrees as long as your happy with it.

[budlightnmyhand]

Good points 1DVSRCR about people losing the idea of what the contests are about. I just love painting!!!!! You can split it up however you want. I will enter with the big boys just so i can compare how i'm progressing. I love painting, even though i'm not very good. If people are painting bodies here to compete then that misses the whole purpose. That is why their should be no restrictions and only one contest.

[dkangel]

Originally when the paint comps started here on RCZ, I was a little intimidated, having to be grouped into a comp with some of the painting gods ( HM, Charlie..just to name a few and the others know who they are... ) But after entering a few I would rather have them in the same group. Gives me, the artist, reason to improve, try new techniques and get constructive feedback from all skill levels.

I do still think it should be kept to grouping though. Street, Buggy, Truck Off and On road. This makes it a little easier on the judges as well as those who seem to prefer a particular type of body and/or scheme.

I have painted all types and try different schemes on each. I have noticed though, and this could just be the nature of the beast, that the street comps get more entires than say a buggy comp would. I think (IMHO) on road/street users want the care to look good and shiny all the time. The buggy users know the body will eventually get trashed in the races, so although they prefer to have a nice paint job the extras' ( lights, tailpipes, carbon fiber, etc...) tend to be left off. That is why I think having comps for chassis types works so the guy who includes every detail for his street ride isin't competing against a buggy body with no Concours add-ons for detail.

Sorry so long winded, just my .02$

[budlightnmyhand]

Originally posted by dkangel

I do still think it should be kept to grouping though. Street, Buggy, Truck Off and On road. This makes it a little easier on the judges as well as those who seem to prefer a particular type of body and/or scheme.

The buggy users know the body will eventually get trashed in the races, so although they prefer to have a nice paint job the extras' ( lights, tailpipes, carbon fiber, etc...) tend to be left off.

On road cars get trashed too maybe not as bad as buggies but do you think those people who put exhausts and stuff on there cars really race with those bodies. I mean the exhaust is usually made of a battery, i don't think you would even be allowed to race with something like that.

Just think if we split these comps up, there will be too much complaining and there might only be 2 or 3 cars in each comp. Wow you beat 1 other car to win that competition. I like going up against more people. That is why mab man has a stree/race for people who like to add visual things other than painting example like interior, grills, exhaust etc. Best paint comp usually has no restrictions so any car can have the best paint no matter what type of car it is.

More of my 2 cents :D

[Performance RC]

CAn we get some competition for the people who suck at paintin here?:p ;) . I am 13 and dont have alot of skills with painting outreageus(sp) bodys. I havent entered any comps for I just lose horribly. Can we get a ...COMPETITION #12: Cruddy Bodys...hehe. :p

[extremetmaxxer]

how bout a musical theme comp, like album covers and that kind of stuff?

or an illusion contest, who can create the best looking body that has the coolest realest looking illusion on it?

favorite cartoon comp

[WheelNut]

I think a musical themed competition would be awsome. Thats how I'll probably paint my next body. Rage against the mahcine or Rammstein theme prolly.

[Bad-Andy]

You could also have a different category alltogether. I've painted quite a few pit boards and T30 cases. Maybe a Best R/C Accessory Competition. It could be limited to Pit Boards, charger cases and transmitters.

[djm914-6]

IMHO, the more restrictive the rules, the more of a challange the contest becomes. Sure many people can whip off a killer paint job, but can the same people paint something to conform to the rules and restrictions? Many people who sell bodies as a business know that even the coolest bodies won't sell to everyone. Our customers have an idea of what they want and we need to provide their vision. That is a true challange. I think (again IMHO) these contests aren't strict enough. Plus, there is always the open contests monthly too.

I'd like to see very restrictive rules like (examples only) Cartoon Character, Military, Patriotic, Race, Street, Street Race, Show car, etc. Sure each contest may have fewer participants, but every one can pic what they want to paint and when. If there was a callender of contests posted months ahead of time, painters could prepair and choose.

Just my 2 cents,
Dave

[trw]

i think there oughta be a competition to see who has the coolest beater body lol :p

[extremetmaxxer]

djm i think your right one there, i've noticed alot of painters that sell bodies tend to stick to one style there good at kind of like moskito, the guy has amazing skill but all his bodys look alike, me i try to make a diffrent body every time, sure we all have our basic talents and our favorite schemes, mine would be flames just gotta love that fire, but i think what makes a good painter a great painter is being able to produce completely diffrent bodys, so diffrent that you'd be hard pressed to know that that paitner painted booth those bodys? do you understand?

and a list off whats to come is a good idea as well because sometimes it takes me a few months to come up with a scheme that i like.

[KMac]

How about a:

Best Pimped-Out Hoopty Competition :D

[budlightnmyhand]

Maybe these competitions shouldn't be judged at all? I just like getting compliments on my work. I don't need someone giving me points based on their opinions and then saying mine isn't as good as someone else's. I like to share my work, and i don't care what place i come in. I truly enjoy painting, i really do not have any creative skill in my entire body, and it is really hard for me to think of the simplist idea's. I just keep trudging along, and someday i will be able to do a body that looks like it has been ripped open!!!!

Everyone keep up the good work!!

Mike

[The King]

I agree with Mike. I just love sharing my god givin artistic talent.

[Rahxephon]

Hey guys, I was just wondering (after reading the Best Street/Race theme competition) if there would be any problem with allowing the top three entrants to judge the following competition instead of just the top one, therefore allowing a little more input and diversity in the judging process.

In terms of the process as to how we get to a winner, everything will be the same except that instead of 30 being the total score possible, it'll be 90.

Advantages:
* instead of one person critizing your work, you'll have three, hehe j/k. (more constructive criticism).
* more input.
* IMHO, it'll be more interesting and diverse in terms of judging style etc.
* Also I think it'll be easier for three judges to decide on which is best instead of just one judge especially when you have a lot of good entries.
* I also feel that you'll get more accurate judging with with the addition of two more judges.

Disadvantages:
* It might take a little longer to come up with the decision.
* more adding to do

well this is just my own .02 on the situation at hand. Please let me know what you guys think about it.

[budlightnmyhand]

I think we need to make a board just so people can complain. I'm tired of looking through threads hoping to see more art work when all i see is everyone complaining. Its kinda discouraging to go into a thread that says best street/race competition and have half of the pages being complaints.

Now that i have that out, i hope the best paint competition starts soon. I'm waiting for UPS right now, i'm getting 3 bodies and a 32 oz of bob dively liquid mask!!! It should be here today, hopefully.

The King, I checked out your website, thats awesome man. Put some pics up of that office space you will be painting on there when your done with it!! I'm going to try to make my own website here pretty soon. I don't like the idea of using other people's storage space for my pictures. RCzone pays alot of money for their equipment, the least i can do is save them space by just linking my pics to another site!

Mike

[extremetmaxxer]

haha i need a 55 gallon drum of that liquid mask! 32 oz aint enough

i agree with bud and king, the best part about painting a body is getting responces and compliments, dont it just feel good when someone says "wow that is insane or wow that is awsome" it just provokes you to paint more.

raxph good idea on the judging but it would be pretty hard to wrangle up those three judges at the end of the contest i know it was hard enough to find one.

[budlightnmyhand]

Extrememaxxer, i was just curious where you get your Liquid mask and how big of container you usually buy it in? Do they make bigger than 32 oz.??

Thanks,
Mike

[extremetmaxxer]

heres a link to something that sounds like liquid mask but im not sure, 1 gallon for 30 bucks aint to bad

http://www.pro-tect.com/liquidmask.shtml

then theres also this stuff called magic mask

http://www.handsontools.com/store/show_product/?product_id=9203

i wonder if thats the same stuff as bob dively

[Racin Rev]

last month's comp was supposed to be a christmas theme, I wish it would have been. it would have been interesting to see what people would have come up with on that theme. The holloween comp brought out some interesting work.

keep the restrictions. imho

[mab_man20]

It has been a year since I started discussing these competitions with Steve Pond, Bob Hastings, and Hauntedmyst. A year ago we tried to figure out what had caused HPI to ban the painting competitions on their BB and create a set of rules that would prevent that from happening here.
As some of the veterans have noticed, the threads have become eerily like the last few HPI competitions. Because of that, I need to revisit our thoughts from last year and there will not be January competitions because I want to redefine the Street/Race competition and for fear of losing the competitions for good.

There have been some great suggestions made since last month and I would like to comment on a few of them.

1) We will have restrictions every 3rd month now. Most people don’t like them because it is to restrictive and doesn’t allow them to push their own limits, but some people (including myself) like them because it forces people to try something they have never tried before.

2) We will continue to have one judge each month simply because it is hard enough to get one person to judge. Three, combined with the math involved, would compound that problem and I fear that the judging will not be done for weeks (which has happened several times with only 1 judge). If someone wishes to volunteer to hound people twice a month to get them to judge and act as a “judge’s whip” then please IM or PM me.

3) The complaining needs to stop, PERIOD. 99% percent of the complaints can be refuted with my original post for each competition (which it seems fewer and fewer new posters read). I hope the redefining of the street/race competition below will help stop most of them, but there are still the people who refuse to read. I will simply delete these posts because they do nothing but add unneeded posts between the compliments and entered bodies.



Best paint competition:
The best paint competition is an opportunity for people to express their unbounded imaginations on a clear recycled 2 liter coke bottle. With the exception of restricted months, any body may be entered in this competition by any member of RCZone. Each body will be judged based on 3 criteria:

1) Design: How well does the design fit/flow on the body? Is it visually appealing? How are the color choices? Originality does NOT count.
2) Execution: Regardless of how complex or difficult it is, how well is it executed? Are there paint bleeds? Are the lines straight (or correctly curved)? Are their obvious mistakes? Finger prints? How well executed are the fades and other basic painting techniques? etc.
3) Difficulty: How hard was this body to paint? Is it one color? Is the entire thing 5mm checkers with 4 different colors in each square? It may be 2 colors, but is one marbled? is one color a candy that requires a special backing technique? This is where experience as a painter helps the most.


Best Street/Race competition:
This competition was created because there are people who are truly gifted at making a 1/10 piece of clear plastic look like a real car. A majority of these car bodies are painted in 1 or 2 colors, but that is not where the difficulty comes into play. This competition focuses on the details of the body, does the paint scheme resemble something you would see on the street or a full size race track? Does it have an exhaust pipe, wing, mirrors, windshield wipers, intercooler, mesh grill, realistic LED’s for lights, brake calipers, do the wheels look good with the body, interior, engine bay, opening doors, opened windows, a driver? This competition is not limited to cars. One month someone entered a Tamiya Toyota Stadium truck that almost perfectly resembled the real one you can see motoring and hopping its way around the Baja peninsula once a year. A XXX-T does not really fit in this category simply because it does not resemble the styling of a real car, it is the result a RC evolution to go faster around a dirt track. The only entrants to this competition are bodies that could be a real car on the street or on a full scale track. RC race bodies (ie kinwald's paint scheme or your personal equivelent) are NOT allowed and will be removed. Each body will be judged based on 3 criteria:

1) Detail: How much detail is on the body? Is it a proline body with no effort to create scale detail beyond the paint scheme? Is it a Tamiya body with mirrors and all the usual tamiya trimmings (yes a tamiya body with nothing but what came in the box will score better than a proline with nothing more than what came in the bag because the tamiya body simply has more detail!). Points are given for the scale realism of the paint scheme and for the added detail (exhaust pipe, wing, mirrors, windshield wipers, intercooler, mesh grill, realistic LED’s for lights, brake calipers, do the wheels look good with the body, interior, engine bay, opening doors, opened windows, a driver, etc). bold because it is different from best paint competition.
2) Design: Exactly like the best paint competition. How well does the design fit/flow on the body? Is it visually appealing? How are the color choices? Originality does NOT count.
3) Execution: Exactly like the best paint competition. Regardless of how complex or difficult it is, how well is it executed? Are there paint bleeds? Are the lines straight (or correctly curved)? Are their obvious mistakes? Finger prints? How well executed are the fades and other basic painting techniques? etc.

I want to point out that difficulty is NOT being judged in the best street/race competition. The detail and realism achieved is enough of a judge of the difficulty, time and effort put into a body.


Basic rules applying to every competition:
1) Any body may be submitted to the competition (Truck, buggy, touring car, etc).
2) Any body submitted may NOT appear in another competition.
3) Photo editing the pictures (other than cropping and adjusting brightness/contrast) is highly looked down upon and may result in disqualification.
4) Anyone may enter a body (professional painters are welcome!)
5) Please refrain from insulting bodies in anyway.
6) Must fall within this month's restrictions (September restrictions: Tribal themes)
7) Only 2 entrees per person. 8) Bodies should be painted within the last 4 months.

Each submission must include the following:
Body manufacturer and size.
Paint used.
Masks used (hand or precut)
Inspiration (could be another paint job).
And of course, a body.

Please ask any questions you have concerning the rules now. We have a month to iron out all of the issues so everything makes sense and everyone understands the rules.

[budlightnmyhand]

I don't have a complaint, just a question off the subject. I noticed you said something about a Tamiya body? What are those? I have seen them on tower, but don't know if any of those will fit my G4 so i never bought one.

[extremetmaxxer]

just a lil nit pick here, i thik originality and creativity should play a role in the points, i dont know how to do it and i can see the reasons not to have that be a factor but i think that originality and creativity are key to being a good if not great painter, you see all these bodys painted alike, flames every wear, checkerd flags draped over everything and stripes that could stretch to the moon and back. i know when ever i do a body that i want to stand out i try to do something very diffrent and i think that acheiving a truly original design is one of if not the hardest part about painting.

thats just my lil ole opinion, but since it would be difficult if not impossible to tell if something is truly orignal or not i can see why but damn it! :mad: it plays a huge part!!! well at least i think so :D ;)

mabey we could have a comp based around entirely new ideas? now that would be a challenge!

[AceCoolie]

I'd like to request that when the judge scores the bodies that he relinks to the top 3 pictures so they appear with the score. It's annoying to see who won and then have to scroll through the entire thread to actually find their car.

Also, another request would be for people to put all of their pictures in one post.

[calvin3]

Originally posted by AceCoolie
I'd like to request that when the judge scores the bodies that he relinks to the top 3 pictures so they appear with the score. It's annoying to see who won and then have to scroll through the entire thread to actually find their car.

I agree!!!

Nothing like lookin for so and so's picture on one of 6-8 pages.:D

I think there should be 3 competitions.

Best Paint - kinda explains itself
Best Street - Something you would actually see on the street
Best Race - Something you would only see on the track

My biggest gripe would be to seperate street and race.

Just my opinion.

[TSR6]

Originally posted by AceCoolie
I'd like to request that when the judge scores the bodies that he relinks to the top 3 pictures so they appear with the score. It's annoying to see who won and then have to scroll through the entire thread to actually find their car.

Also, another request would be for people to put all of their pictures in one post.

Here is a problem with that...

Each file can only be attached once. To attach a file for a second time, you have to actually resize it, or do something to change the file physically.

[calvin3]

Can't we just make a link (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1266583) ?


That will work and it's not really that hard to do.

[KMac]

1) Design: How well does the design fit/flow on the body? Is it visually appealing? How are the color choices? Originality does NOT count.

(IMO) Originality should count to some extent. All other things being equal I would give higher design points to someone who designed their own flames, or whatever, vs someone who used an existing mask or downloadable pattern.

Also, scale of the paint itself is important. The Faspearls and matallics look great, but IMO the "glitters" are very disproportionate when comparing the glitter size to the body size and I believe is ALWAYS a bad design choice of paint.


3) Difficulty: How hard was this body to paint? Is it one color? Is the entire thing 5mm checkers with 4 different colors in each square? It may be 2 colors, but is one marbled? is one color a candy that requires a special backing technique? This is where experience as a painter helps the most.

(IMO) One of the biggest things I look for here is how much masking, cutting, mask removal, more cutting, more mask removal, etc.....has to be done to achieve the finished product. Also, I look at the surface it was done on. To continue a masked line or a fade through a difficult area such as the shock hump on a stadium truck body, or through the wing mounting hump on a touring car body should score higher difficulty points, These areas are harder to mask, harder to cut, and harder to paint into and deserve the degree of difficulty points. The difficulty isn't always in the painting itself.

Additionally, just like above in "Design" I would award more difficulty points for a hand cut mask vs. a peel-and-stick mask.

These are strictly just my opinion, though, so feel free to refute any/all of it.

[extremetmaxxer]

^^^^^^

100 % completely agree!

[djm914-6]

I agree with the above comments. I think that a solid set of rules will help end the complaints. I also agree that originality should play at least a small part. We have a lot of talent here and it should be rewarded.

Additional thoughts:
If the judge has a question or issue with a body, it should be brought up before the end of the contest and well before judging. It looks like this may have played a role in the last compitition and it also caused on of my bodies to go unjudged in a past compitition.

Question: Will having a chassis be very important in any of teh compititions? While I will paint several bodies for my Nitro car, I like to paint Monster Truck bodies, Tamiya scale bodies etc for which I don't currently own a chassis. I could buy some extra rims and tires and set up somthing for the photograph, but that would put photography skills more into play than just 'body quality'.

Thanks for all the effort everyone is putting into this.

Dave

[budlightnmyhand]

I think the body , well at least the rims and tires, play a big part in the street race competition. I mean we are going for the most realistic looking car not so much the best paint job or most creativity with paint. So i guess you could stick some tires under the body, i guess that would be ok but you probably won't score that high.

I guess i'm kinda contradicting what i said in the first paragraph, but i think the competitions are pretty good the way they are. Just like mabman says we need to just get the rules and restrictions taken care of and stop the negative comments or harasments that i have seen in this last competition. Its getting to the point where i don't wanna even look at that thread cause i know i won't see any cars, just people harrasing people.

There are alot of great people in these threads that are willing to help you out. Extrememaxxer, DYselic, The King, Refo, KMAC, Raphexeon, and many others that i just can't remember at this moment. I'm sure Chr!s is a great person, he just got off on the wrong foot. Give him a chance, i'm sure he will bring great things to these threads just like everyone else in here has.

Thanks,
Mike

[mab_man20]

To answer your questions......

Budlight: You can view tamiya's products here (http://www.tamiya.com/english/e-home.htm). They make some of the best scale bodies in all of RC.

extremetmaxxer: I see what you are saying (and those who posted after you), but it is impossible to tell if a body is truly original. It maybe new to the internet, but i know some great painters locally who never post their work. I could copy their work and get high points for originality when in fact there is absolutely no originallity in the body. Also, i feel that bodies such as your last entry in the best paint competition speaks for itself. Over the last year most bodies that go above and beyond beat out flames, stripes, and other common schemes, and that is without any system for originality. I will try to come up with something, but unless something ingenious strikes me I feel that current system works well enough for this purpose.

AceCoolie and Calvin: I will try to get the judges to link to the specific page that the top 3 bodies are on. That will make it easier to find those bodies.

KMac: Your point does not fall under the design catagory. If someone uses a custom mask they will score a higher difficulty score because it is more difficult to cut your own mask than to slap on a precut one.
As for glitters, I feel they are covered under the color selection and visually appealing statements. For example: IMO some of hauntedmysts's greatest bodies used glitter and they look simply amazing! It is all how they are used.
I will be sure to add the difficulty of the actual cutting lines to the difficulty criteria.

djm914-6: I agree that all issues should be brought up before the end of the competition. Now that i have the god like power of deleting posts, every body that remains at the closing point of the competition should be judged. If not feel free to track down the judge and repeatedly flick the backs of his/her ears until he/she judges your body. :D
In best paint, having a chassis is not very important. However in Street/race it is very important because it is difficult to have a scale looking car with only a body.

Calvin: before i forget, you have brought up that the street race needs to be split up before. However, the 2 weeks each works very well and when both style bodies are entered in a competition in the past no specific one has always won.

Its late and im sick so thats all im writting for now. Please keep the comments and suggestions coming.

[gtrcman64]

I think it is fine just the way it is, ok maybe have one for lexan bodys and one for hard bodys, iether way it was very fun for me, I am honered to have 10,11th and the other forgot witch one but I have never had a mention on any board I have been on in a contest, just to say I got a score is awesome for me, I am not a pro like alot of the painters on here but it is very nice that any one can paint a body and have it shown on here, so I would like to thank all of those that made this possible, Thanks Agian,
gtrcman64,,

P.S. I can not wait till the next one, can some one pm me when it rolls around, Thanks!!

One more thing I have been doing RCs and this kind of things for more than 10 years, so this is a first for me, to be mentioned, and fun!!

[KMac]

KMac: Your point does not fall under the design catagory. If someone uses a custom mask they will score a higher difficulty score because it is more difficult to cut your own mask than to slap on a precut one.

mab_man20, my point with the design portion of not using a pre-done mask is that you have to first design what you want on the car then design the mask to use on the car. There's extra design work here vs. using a pre-done mask.

[HauntedMyst]

Originally posted by KMac
mab_man20, my point with the design portion of not using a pre-done mask is that you have to first design what you want on the car then design the mask to use on the car. There's extra design work here vs. using a pre-done mask.

That is not neccesarily so. Some precut masks require more work applying, or applying correctly then doing it yourself. Some of the complicated ones from XXX Main will make you pull your hair out. Also, while yes an original mask does require in theory more design effort up front, a precut mask used in an unusual way can require the same amount of design effort.

[HauntedMyst]

Mab,

To discourage people disparaging bodies or pouting about not scoring higher, you may want to consider adding a few more rules. Something along the lines of: Anyone disparaging an entry or pouting they didn't score higher in the competition will not be allowed to enter a contest for 6 months.

Also, while it seems people look at the restrictions as that, restrictions, one of the things you can do is to look at it in a different light or out of the box thinking. When the theme is "America" that doesn't neccesarily mean painting a flag somewhere on the car. It's can mean anything that means America to you. If your French, maybe it means a graphic of a loud fat guy in a Hawaii shirt and shorts, to others it may mean making a car that looks like an assualt vehicle.

[KMac]

Originally posted by HauntedMyst
That is not neccesarily so. Some precut masks require more work applying, or applying correctly then doing it yourself. Some of the complicated ones from XXX Main will make you pull your hair out. Also, while yes an original mask does require in theory more design effort up front, a precut mask used in an unusual way can require the same amount of design effort.

That would fall in the Difficulty category. To design your own mask on top of doing the overall car design is additional design work vs. using a pre-designed mask.

[extremetmaxxer]

i wonder if changing "restrictions" to "themes" would make people look at it in a differant light? lol

mab, i understand what your saying and i stated that fact in my post around the bottom of it, its sucks but what can you do......

[orbitron]

The first competition I entered was a Street/Race because I didn't think I could hang with the Best Painters. But after reading this thread the reason I lost is because the paintjob wasn't realistic. (i.e. Stadium Truck)

Please put the criteria at the beginning of the thread

Best paint competition:
The best paint competition is an opportunity for people to express their unbounded imaginations on a clear recycled 2 liter coke bottle. With the exception of restricted months, any body may be entered in this competition by any member of RCZone. Each body will be judged based on 3 criteria:

1) Design: How well does the design fit/flow on the body? Is it visually appealing? How are the color choices? Originality does NOT count.
2) Execution: Regardless of how complex or difficult it is, how well is it executed? Are there paint bleeds? Are the lines straight (or correctly curved)? Are their obvious mistakes? Finger prints? How well executed are the fades and other basic painting techniques? etc.
3) Difficulty: How hard was this body to paint? Is it one color? Is the entire thing 5mm checkers with 4 different colors in each square? It may be 2 colors, but is one marbled? is one color a candy that requires a special backing technique? This is where experience as a painter helps the most.


Best Street/Race competition:
This competition was created because there are people who are truly gifted at making a 1/10 piece of clear plastic look like a real car. A majority of these car bodies are painted in 1 or 2 colors, but that is not where the difficulty comes into play. This competition focuses on the details of the body, does the paint scheme resemble something you would see on the street or a full size race track? Does it have an exhaust pipe, wing, mirrors, windshield wipers, intercooler, mesh grill, realistic LED’s for lights, brake calipers, do the wheels look good with the body, interior, engine bay, opening doors, opened windows, a driver? This competition is not limited to cars. One month someone entered a Tamiya Toyota Stadium truck that almost perfectly resembled the real one you can see motoring and hopping its way around the Baja peninsula once a year. A XXX-T does not really fit in this category simply because it does not resemble the styling of a real car, it is the result a RC evolution to go faster around a dirt track. The only entrants to this competition are bodies that could be a real car on the street or on a full scale track. RC race bodies (ie kinwald's paint scheme or your personal equivelent) are NOT allowed and will be removed. Each body will be judged based on 3 criteria:

1) Detail: How much detail is on the body? Is it a proline body with no effort to create scale detail beyond the paint scheme? Is it a Tamiya body with mirrors and all the usual tamiya trimmings (yes a tamiya body with nothing but what came in the box will score better than a proline with nothing more than what came in the bag because the tamiya body simply has more detail!). Points are given for the scale realism of the paint scheme and for the added detail (exhaust pipe, wing, mirrors, windshield wipers, intercooler, mesh grill, realistic LED’s for lights, brake calipers, do the wheels look good with the body, interior, engine bay, opening doors, opened windows, a driver, etc). bold because it is different from best paint competition.
2) Design: Exactly like the best paint competition. How well does the design fit/flow on the body? Is it visually appealing? How are the color choices? Originality does NOT count.
3) Execution: Exactly like the best paint competition. Regardless of how complex or difficult it is, how well is it executed? Are there paint bleeds? Are the lines straight (or correctly curved)? Are their obvious mistakes? Finger prints? How well executed are the fades and other basic painting techniques? etc.

I want to point out that difficulty is NOT being judged in the best street/race competition. The detail and realism achieved is enough of a judge of the difficulty, time and effort put into a body.


Basic rules applying to every competition:
1) Any body may be submitted to the competition (Truck, buggy, touring car, etc).
2) Any body submitted may NOT appear in another competition.
3) Photo editing the pictures (other than cropping and adjusting brightness/contrast) is highly looked down upon and may result in disqualification.
4) Anyone may enter a body (professional painters are welcome!)
5) Please refrain from insulting bodies in anyway.
6) Must fall within this month's restrictions
7) Only 2 entrees per person.
8) Bodies should be painted within the last 4 months.

Each submission must include the following:
Body manufacturer and size.
Paint used.
Masks used (hand or precut)
Inspiration (could be another paint job).
And of course, a body.


That way newbies know where to compete.

Also I think restrictions are completely necessary. It makes the competition about more than flames.

[The King]

What's wrong with flames?

[orbitron]

not a whole lot except that 90% of r/c cars out there have 'em.

[extremetmaxxer]

*points*

you have flames on your car! your a poser and a tool! oh and a hooser!!

lmao!! got flames on 90 % of my bodys! flames kick boooooooty!

[orbitron]

Don't take it so seriously. I hate flames like I hate Micheal Jordan and Mustangs, and any other things dearly loved by all. I can appreciate them for what they are but you can't make me like them!:D
And not one of my paint jobs have 'em. Mind you I'm not a very good painter yet...
http://orbitracing.tk

[*Supreme Losi*]

Two more cents contributed by budlightnmyhand
On road cars get trashed too maybe not as bad as buggies but do you think those people who put exhausts and stuff on there cars really race with those bodies. I mean the exhaust is usually made of a battery, i don't think you would even be allowed to race with something like that.

Just think if we split these comps up, there will be too much complaining and there might only be 2 or 3 cars in each comp. Wow you beat 1 other car to win that competition. I like going up against more people. That is why mab man has a stree/race for people who like to add visual things other than painting example like interior, grills, exhaust etc. Best paint comp usually has no restrictions so any car can have the best paint no matter what type of car it is.

More of my 2 cents :D Hey! You gave your 4 cents!Just my four cents.Lol....4 cents!4 cents!4 cents!New Idiom!!!!!!

[TSR6]

Originally posted by *Supreme Losi*
Hey! You gave your 4 cents!Just my four cents.Lol....4 cents!4 cents!4 cents!New Idiom!!!!!!

Simmer dude..

[mab_man20]

Its odd that people manage to insult eachother and argue in a thread dedicated to finding a way to stop the insulting and arguing.


Having said that, Orbitron: you are free to have and express your feelings in a mature manor (as you did in your first post). However, as a painter one must learn to judge other's work not by your own tastes, but by the skill involved in creating the body. Take a look at some of CharlieB's flame bodies. Yes they have flames, but no one here will disagree with me when i say the skill present in the bodies is jaw dropping. In the grand scheme of things there is nothing wrong with flames (or mustanges, which i personally dislike), but when they are done well they must get the respect they deserve (just like a 1000hp+ or 9 second mustang must garner).

If anyone has any last comments or suggestions please post them. Next week Im gonna finalize everything for Feb 1.

[Nsxshogun]

Have a one color only compotion. Like spoolins last truck body.

[AceCoolie]

What about requiring bodies to be mounted? They sure look better IHO.