GS Racing Storm Unlimited Truck [Archive] - Page 3

doesgo

03-02-2005, 11:11 AM

I don't know if it matters to anyone, but if you're looking for more gearing options I just bolted a Hot Bodies Lightning Stadium Pro spur gear to my GS Storm diff and it fit perfectly. The LSP has 50 teeth which is smack dab in the middle of the SUT's 54-tooth spur and the Storm buggy's 46-tooth spur.

illbreakit

03-02-2005, 03:51 PM

I was wondering about that. But I want a 56 LOL. I run a 12 tooth on it with my Mach.26 when I hillclimb and it still could use lower HEHE Man, I wish I could mill those.

doesgo

03-02-2005, 04:01 PM

Time for an LST and its low-range tranny!

stonesavage

03-02-2005, 04:09 PM

I spoke to a rep today and received e-mail about extended chassis word there thinkin bout it? what the f#$@ I told him another guy name start's with a C said the summer latest!! ANYWAY EVERYONE WHO READS THIS NEEDS TO PHONE OR E_MAIL GS AND ASK ABOUT NEW SUT PARTS ie;EXTended chassis/longer a-arms and whatever you think this truck needs THE greater the demand the faster I WAS TOLD IF THEY GET ENOUGH REQUEST:S it will happen!!! come on sut owner's phone in(626)338-3815 orwww.gsracing.com :D

stonesavage

03-02-2005, 11:35 PM

http://beatyourtruck.com/Gallery/albums/othermonsters/afu.jpg

stonesavage

03-05-2005, 05:51 PM

Anyone care bout the sut anymore? hmmmmmmm :confused:

Nitro Quad

03-05-2005, 09:37 PM

I know, it feels like everyone's dropped off the face of the earth. On the other hand its getting warmer, at least where I live, so maybe everybody is out playing. Lately, I've gotten out for a few hours here and there but, for some reason the truck has developed a glitch and I can't figure it out. Anyone else have this kind of trouble?

doesgo

03-06-2005, 02:34 AM

I still care! But mine's still in pieces and I'm still waiting for the weather to warm up. :(

rgross

03-06-2005, 09:43 AM

I Still care too, I just got my truck and am gathering the parts to upgrade it to a racing machine....plus our outdoor season starts on april 24....right now still concentrating on the indoor season.....it was the last tropy race last night, even though I missed it due to my bum back, oh well, I will have a great unlimited monster truck in about 6 weeks....

I sent multiple emails to gs to make the extended chasis and asked if they could r&d a kit with extended chasis and extended a-arms so it is designed to work together and just replace current parts without too much modification or tweaking...

Long live the sut....

rgross

illbreakit

03-06-2005, 11:26 AM

I still care three :)

I just got mine together yesterday, got some new 6MM shock towers milled. There longer, to take full advantage of my OFNA shock's. The Mach.26 has been resized, and ported some more, gona be a monster :eek: I'll post some pics later today

stonesavage

03-06-2005, 05:03 PM

rgross

03-06-2005, 05:48 PM

a bum back is not rc related...I herniated my L5 S1 disk in my back and have an impingement on my S1 nerve root....5 weeks later and I am finaly walking and able to sit for more than 5 minutes.....I am determined to be well enough for outdoor season and complete the sut

Sorry if I confused you.

rgross

stonesavage

03-06-2005, 06:02 PM

lol I was j/k ;) p.s it may not be r/c related but at least there's something happening on this thread!! :p

Nitro Quad

03-06-2005, 09:36 PM

Today was a great day for me, the weather was real nice, and I had my father here to help me fine-tune my engine, since I'm pretty much paralyzed. Like I said, the weather was awesome and this is the first real big block I've ever had and it just blew me away. I'm sure you guys are all used to it but I've never had that much raw power at my fingertips. We don't have a track anywhere around here so most of us just bash around a dirt parking lot on the weekends. Most everyone drives a Savage or a Tmaxx so I can't wait to show what that SUT can do :D .

I LOVE THIS TRUCK

stonesavage

03-06-2005, 09:59 PM

Glad to see some fellow suter's back on the forum! mid april our racing season start's here so looking forward to some truggy smackdown also I just bought a new truggy a hot bodies stadium. the guys I race with have nicknamed me TRUGGYLOVER lol :p

doesgo

03-06-2005, 10:03 PM

I heard from Garen from GS Racing that they're working on an extended chassis kit. Not sure if that means a new truck with a longer chassis or a replacement kit for current SUTs, though.

stonesavage

03-06-2005, 10:41 PM

IF they did that there would be alot of pissed sut owners!! when they release the extended chassis it will be avaliable for all storm models! makes sense more$$ for gsracing'' think how many storm's are out there' 1st batch mid 2002 The dude I talked with said it probally will be summer and as a hop up for current sut rtr and pro. :D

Nitro Quad

03-09-2005, 01:01 PM

I don't race my SUT, so correct me if I'm wrong, but in my experience the truck is extremely stable right out of the box. So wouldn't and longer chassis actually hurt its ability to corner quickly? I know the truck is extremely agile, but it seems like there's more than enough ways to help keep it under control.

On another note, does anybody know if you can buy aluminum suspension arms without buying a complete suspension kit? Also, I was wanting to upgrade my steering servo to something a little more solid. The stock one is strong enough to swing the wheels I just want something with more holding power. Any ideas?

Thanks.

doesgo

03-09-2005, 05:00 PM

A longer chassis typically makes a vehicle more stable in rough sections. Seems the Hot Bodies Lightning Stadium might be proving that to be true?

Nitro Quad

03-09-2005, 06:45 PM

That makes sense, I kept picturing this long skinny truck trying to squeeze around corners :) .

I'm still very interested in some aluminum suspension arms. I don't want to buy an entire suspension kit, I prefer just to get the arms themselves. That way I can build the suspension the way I want without modifying someone else's kit.

doesgo

03-09-2005, 06:50 PM

You're right, generally a longer wheelbase can hinder cornering, but it probably doesn't hurt much as long as the length doesn't get out of hand.

I think you can get SUT arms made by Fioroni, check the GS website. Spendy suckers, though!

stonesavage

03-09-2005, 10:41 PM

Just remember alloy doesn't give! and when you wipe out the force is directed elsewhere and if ya bent them your hooped. hot bodies ls plastic arms fit the sut with very minor dremel work and there $8 a set u will need 4 ls dogbones $10 for 2 and 4 longer turnbuckels you could pick up double threaded bolt at a hardwere store to do the job and you will have a more stable/better handeling sut at a fraction of the cost native ripoff oops i mean racing charges :D

Nitro Quad

03-10-2005, 12:37 PM

Thanks Stone, I actually wanted to get plastic, but my local hobby shop INSISTED that nobody made any and there was nothing I could modify to fit. Do you know if I'll need new shocks to fit the longer arms, or will the stock size work?

Thanks again.

doesgo

03-10-2005, 04:57 PM

Interesting idea! Lightning Stadium arms on the SUT...I'll have to check that out...

rgross

03-10-2005, 08:59 PM

Interesting idea! Lightning Stadium arms on the SUT...I'll have to check that out...

If you do find an easy way to adapt the upper links please share your ideas, it would need to be strong and adjustable....

I was thinking of maybe using something that already exists, such as the new ofna blazer ss becuase it has long arms and an upper arm similar to the sut....

stonesavage

03-10-2005, 10:56 PM

The ofna blazer has short arms its a 9.5 buggy w dom rims I have done this mod at work(hobbie shop) I used lunsford turnbucks they have hundreds of sizes or just use the lighning stadium there cheap$ I used my stock pro shocks work great!! All I need is the extended chassis I phone at least once a day LOL :D there gonna make it just to get rid of me ;)

doesgo

03-10-2005, 11:14 PM

So you use LS arms, turnbuckles, and CVAs on your SUT?

stonesavage

03-10-2005, 11:30 PM

So you use LS arms, turnbuckles, and CVAs on your SUT? no cvd just ls bones IT is real easy just a little dremal work and set up I might be running cvd up front? I will see how it works on da track! :p

illbreakit

03-11-2005, 01:48 AM

Interesting idea! Lightning Stadium arms on the SUT...I'll have to check that out...

I was just thinking that..........

rgross

03-12-2005, 08:32 AM

no cvd just ls bones IT is real easy just a little dremal work and set up I might be running cvd up front? I will see how it works on da track! :p

Please bear with me as I try to absorb this..... :o

1. First you alter/Dremel the LS lower A-Arms and fit them to work

2. Then you Use an extended threaded rod (i.e. lunsford or LS turnbuckles) and thread it inbetween the already existent SUT upper a-arms

3. Then You take the SUT CVD's and just remove the Bone half and use LS bone and connect that to the SUT axle end

4. NOW, do you still use the hub extension that comes with the SUT???

5. And you do this at all four corners????

:confused:

THanks ;)

Robert

stonesavage

03-12-2005, 03:52 PM

rgross

03-12-2005, 05:16 PM

yes and then you use offset rims and you'll win every race because know one will be able to PASS your 30inwide truck. :p I j/k ALRIGHT I forgot to mention the ls axle stubs!! then you use normal maxx offset rims and you get a16in wide truck without the extenders and offsetrims+ a better working suspention.

So.... I am guessing that the LS comes with dog bones and a stub axle and that is what you use to replace the SUT CVD's.....

Now, do you use the sut STEERING KNUCKLES and SUT C HUB.....

And you continue to use stock shocks??

I think after this explaination I might understand this and I will be buying some parts :D

Thanks

Robert

stonesavage

03-12-2005, 05:52 PM

2 all 3

illbreakit

03-13-2005, 07:26 PM

Man, took my SUT out ofr the first time of the year today. Tried out my newly designed extended 6mm shock tower's and 6mm steering plate. At the local construction site, things were performing flawlessly. The new porting I did on the Mach 26 made it come alive. After 5 tanks on the dirt piles I figure it's time to try the RC track. Well, it was handeling good, but after 5 laps, I went wide off a jump and landed on the track edge. SNAP goes my left lower susp arm. Me and that track just don't get along. I can go month's of bashin without breakin a arm or anything, half a tank at the track and I'm broke. Ohh well, it was fun and I needed to smell some nitro again, been to long.

Also tried out my RC10GT sand rail with a worked over traxxas 2.5 in it :D can you say wheelie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stonesavage

03-13-2005, 07:43 PM

doesgo

03-13-2005, 08:40 PM

Wow, those look fantastic, illbreakit! Nice job.

illbreakit

03-14-2005, 12:32 AM

GREAT job on da towers hmmm someone has some cnc skills!! you broke a front arm! Will it bottom out 100% up front? I broke 2 front arms with the stock shocks up front but since i switched to the medium shocks 0 breakage!

I ran all last year with a hand made set of extension's, never broke anyhting. The front doesn't quite bottom, about 2mm from bottoming the chassis, but that wasn't the problem here, it was just my dumb luck. There's a table top jump at the track, and they use 'Big O' drainage pipe that is staked into the ground as track edging. The stakes are 1/2" metal shaft's pounded into the ground. I hit one of the shafts landing off the table top. I did the exact same thing last year with my OFNA buggy. :(

BTW, what's everyone runnin for bodies on there SUT? I have/had a HPI ElCamino on there, but it's a little to big. really get's beat up.

illbreakit

03-14-2005, 01:03 AM

Here's a pic some of you might like

illbreakit

03-14-2005, 05:27 AM

What type of air filter are you guy's running too? I was using a regular 1/8 style, oiled with K&N oil but was getting dirt in the carb still, so I just got a MotorSaver filter and tried it. I think it's worse!!! Got more dirt in my carb. The whole inner filtyer was covered with dirt at the base of it. Not impressed. This poor Mach has injested more dirt.....good thing I have my own resizer.

doesgo

03-14-2005, 06:25 AM

I run basic OFNA buggy filters and Dynamite oil and have had very good luck with them when I maintain them properly. Effective and reliable. I don't care for the GS filter arrangement too much because you can't see the filtering surface.

K&N does good things for 1:1 vehicles, but I'm not sold on them for R/C. I'm not a big fan of Motor Savers, either.

Nice body, illbreakit! I'm running a '50 (or so) Chevy pickup body a friend made out of super-thick Lexan. Unfortunately my painting skills aren't too good and I didn't get any stickers or masks with this body. I painted it orange with green flecks because it's known as "the carrot truck". Long story.

http://www.2quicknovas.com/bruce/sutps1.jpg

Nitro Quad

03-14-2005, 02:14 PM

I love your paint job doesgo, you know right away, whose truck that is. I've got a fifties Chevy that I've been thinking of painting orange or yellow for the same reason.

This is kind of the silly question, sorry. Has anybody tried to mount an HPI Jeep too a SUT? After seeing that Camino, I'm a little skeptical.

gotspeed_2000

03-16-2005, 12:07 AM

A friend just bought the SUT Pro and we are getting ready to mount the engine. I have the engine and was getting it ready when we realized the pull start hangs below the engine. Was wondering if the stock motor mounts can still mount this engine without the use of spacers between the motor and the mounts to lift the engine? Anyone? Also, when we built the truck, it didn't come with a air filter, should it have? Thanks for your time in advance.

doesgo

03-16-2005, 12:11 AM

I believe Pro mounts are slightly lower than RTR mounts, which means a pullstart engine won't fit. You'll need the RTR engine mounts.

I don't believe R/C kits (non-RTRs) typically come with air filters, but I'm not absolutely sure on that.

stonesavage

03-16-2005, 04:53 PM

I have a mach 26 in my pro and the backplate is HUGE! so even rtr mounts will not work I made alloy spacer's 3mm thick and used them with da pro mounts!WHAT engine are you mounting?http://beatyourtruck.com/Gallery/albums/othermonsters/afs.jpg

illbreakit

03-16-2005, 05:05 PM

I have the Mach in mine with the Pro mount's, but then it's not a pull start :D I have heard that the Mach pull start is huge, I HATE pull start's. Got a blister the whole leingth of my index finger once due to a Force .25 and it's pullstart. Haven't had one since. Starter boxes for me :D:D:D:D

gotspeed_2000

03-16-2005, 10:32 PM

He picked up the Werks Collari LC30 engine. It came in only pull start, but I have been in contact with Werks and it sounds like they are coming out with a back plate to convert it to a non-pull start. Hopefully this is the case. The customer support person I've been dealing with told me to wait till next week before trying to ditch the pull starter since parts are coming in then. We'll see. Thanks for the info. Hopefully we have enough spacers to raise the engine high enough off the chassis. I've measured the clearance and with the collari engine, you'll need atleast 18mm of clearance. The stock pro mounts are 16mm with an additional 2mm of clearance. I have 1mm spacers from ofna, so that should mean that we'll have only 1mm of clearance once the engine is mounted, hopefully that will be enough clearance to be able to mount the engine. I have my fingers crossed!

Nitro Quad

03-17-2005, 11:49 AM

I know that nobody really cares what I have to say but, Ofna makes several back plates for the roto-start system. It's possible that one of them might solve your clearance problem. I've got one and my SUT, and I'm very happy with it.

BTW. Has anybody tried to fit and HPI Jeep to a SUT?

RespirologyRC

03-17-2005, 01:59 PM

I thought I was the last person left in the Zone who had a GS storm since nobody talks about them:) Nice to see you boys are out there! Either way I am curious about knowing your oppinion of this:

I have seen many buggies with alum. arms. I haven't found a reasonable price on a set for my pro, but have come across a set for the inferno and the hyper 7. Does anyone know if either of these will fit the GS storm pro? To me they look just like the storms' lower arms. If you have ever broken a set you'll know how aggrevating it can be waiting for weeks for your local hobby shop to stock them.

RespirologyRC

03-17-2005, 02:13 PM

here are a couple of pics of my GS Storms. The first is of my RTR

RespirologyRC

03-17-2005, 02:17 PM

here is a pic of my pro waiting for its' new front lower arms and wing stay

stonesavage

03-17-2005, 02:32 PM

by a parts car i have two rtr in good cond i bought off ebay for $200 for both!I have seen a rtr go for $75us I dunno about arms for the buggy? but for sut the hot bodies arms fit and there $100for everything. also more $ there's native racing.

stonesavage

03-17-2005, 02:54 PM

you couldn't be any more wrong! everyone here has made valid points including YOU!! and without you and me and other's this thread would be dead! It's 11.am sunny vancouver day hmm think i'm gonna take the high flying nitro rocket for a ride! :p

stonesavage

03-17-2005, 02:58 PM

RespirologyRC

03-17-2005, 03:20 PM

which hot bodies arms are you talking about?

Nitro Quad

03-17-2005, 04:59 PM

doesgo

03-17-2005, 05:02 PM

RespirologyRC, where are you located? Rather than wait for weeks for your LHS, ask on here! I've got several spare arms for "just in case" situations, I'd be happy to sell you one at retail plus shipping if it'd help you get your buggy up and running again.

Awesome-lookin' buggies, by the way!

illbreakit

03-17-2005, 05:07 PM

I just found the killer of a sand/gravel hill. Tried my GT sandrail conversion on it today. Man is it HIGH. I almost lost signal while climbing it :O Gonna take the SUT, GT, Mini T and a few buds w/Savages there tomorrow. I think I smell a new vid in the works :D

Respirology, nice paint, As allways. I think they were refering to the Hotbodied Lighning Stadium arm's, Im' not 100% on that but there was some talk about it a while ago.

NitroQuad, Ya, why do you say that??

StoneSavage, your in Vanc? Cool, Im up here in Kamloops, nice to see more BC'ers. You heard about OutcastRC's Bash in Kelowna in Aug on Sav-Cen??

RespirologyRC

03-17-2005, 05:32 PM

I live in Snowy Massachussetts:)
The temp here today is a lovely 30 degrees and should reach a high of 37 degrees. It feels warm but still too cold to run nitro.

Either way. Doesgo, I should be receiving them today . LOL-- I do all my ordering over the net, but much like yourself I'm not opposed to waiting for a good deal on ebay. Actually I just bought a front lower arm for .01 cents. Thats correct 1 penny, and shipping of course was 3.00 bucks. Whatever still was chea;per than the 5 stormerhobbies wanted and the 2.5 it would have costed to ship.

Thank you for the offer. Quick question: Are the arms on the lightning the same lenght as the storm? I now for a fact that the SUT, Storm, and Avenger all share the same upper and lower arms.

doesgo

03-17-2005, 05:38 PM

Same here, but without the snow. Been in the mid-30s for a couple weeks, it's getting boring! They're predicting a foot of snow by tomorrow afternoon though, which will kill any bashing for me for the weekend!

Congrats on the $0.01 purchase! Was that on eBay? Very nice.

The Avenger's upper arms are significantly different than the Storm's and SUT's uppers, not sure about the lowers though. The Lightning Stadium has longer arms, but I'm not sure about the Lightning buggy.

Geez, that wasn't much help at all! :)

RespirologyRC

03-17-2005, 05:46 PM

I purchased a pair of lower avenger arms and they fit perfectly. Not only this but the upper arms look different but they do fit, I bought a pair of these also

doesgo

03-17-2005, 05:49 PM

Very interesting! Thanks for the info.

Nitro Quad

03-17-2005, 06:21 PM

Sorry guys, I guess I was just venting little frustration. For the past two or three weeks it's been cold and windy here, so my nitro to blood ratio is a bit off. Anyway with a little luck, I might get my order from Dixie art today or tomorrow, and I'll definitely lift my spirits :) .

Darn typos, I should read my posts a bit more closely. I meant to say it will definitely lift my spirits. Again, I apologize that was pretty childish.

Hey guys from B.C. Do either of you live near Whistler? Before I was paralyzed, I lived in Steamboat Co. and the ski shop that I worked in would sponsor a trip every year for its employees and one year we went to Whistler, and I had the time of my life.

stonesavage

03-17-2005, 08:53 PM

I feel for you guys and that cold weather it sucks! real nice here though race season starts april 1st can't wait :D illbreakit I will be up there this summer for the WCORS finals in kelowna then kamloops you no any racers from the city?good to see this thread coming alive! nitro quad you were right the first time ;) I think I'll go lift some spirits mabey a double whiskey :D

stonesavage

03-17-2005, 08:58 PM

p.s I'm an 1 hour drive from whistler/blackcomb have a timeshare up there but i suck at skiing so I just pick up bunnys at da pubs

illbreakit

03-18-2005, 01:22 AM

StoneSavage, I used to race here a few years ago, but now I just bash. I'll go to the WORCS maybetthis year. I was there last year with my OFNA buggy. Me and a bud with his Savage. I've included a pic of my buggy from last year incase you remember it. I just got bored of sittin all day waitin and only running 10-15 minuts of RC time every 2 weeks. Bashing till the Rx pack goes dead is much more fun :D

thedarkness

03-18-2005, 01:25 AM

Stone your also going to have to show up for bashfest in kelowna as well.Its in august, should be a fairly large event... some guys from japan are coming(there both from BC tho)I guess illbreakit was allready talking about it duh.
Im coming in from alberta for that event, hopefully it doesnt go as bad as the winter nationals for me.
Also stone what part of Van you from? I grew up around East Hastings(scary huh) but later moved to burnaby by the lougheed mall,then white rock then finnaly back to burnaby near metrotown.

RespirologyRC

03-18-2005, 05:13 AM

March is almost over guys! Clean your engines, glue your screws, and oil the starter boxes. Racing season is upon us:)

RespirologyRC

03-18-2005, 05:14 AM

To be quite honest, I suck at racing but it's real fun trying! With a body that looks killer and a motor that kills on the straights what more could be fun?

doesgo

03-18-2005, 06:24 AM

Great-lookin' buggy, illbreakit!

It's definitely time to get out and do some bashing and racing, spring is nearly here! I better start fixing up my R/Cs...

illbreakit

03-18-2005, 10:54 AM

Ya, spring,:rolleyes I get off work this morning and undertake the 60Km drive home, get into town and it FREAKIN SNOWING!!!!!! This after 2 weeks of +15*C weather. Man, I could SCREAM. They say it's supposed to snow all weekend. Man, there goes RCin and panting the firewall of my TransAm. :mad

stonesavage

03-19-2005, 10:37 PM

darkness I have a place in east van off joyce st.bashfest sounds kewl im not shure when the finals are hopfully round the same time. illbreakit nice paint very original!! respirology that body is sick! :p

rgross

03-20-2005, 10:57 AM

So.... I am guessing that the LS comes with dog bones and a stub axle and that is what you use to replace the SUT CVD's.....

Now, do you use the sut STEERING KNUCKLES and SUT C HUB.....

And you continue to use stock shocks??

I think after this explaination I might understand this and I will be buying some parts :D

Thanks

Robert

I hope you don't mind me bringing this back to the top, but I have some more questions....

I have looked into this further and found that the Lightning stadium has dog bones in the rear and cvd/universals in the front, is that how you did it stonesavage???

I decided to go ahead and order the parts and give it a try, I ordered:

C8158 Lower front/rear A-Arms

C8165 Turnbuckles 5X85mm

C8166 Rear Axle Shafts

C7023 Dog Bones

C8167 CVD/Universal Front

And I was told that the Proline HD adapters for savage will fit hotbodies axle, I ordered them as well to utilize the stronger adapter for 40 series bow-ties....

I hope this will be all the correct parts and I will let you know how it goes together (if my hobby shop is able to get all the peices, I know the hotbodies LS stuff is very difficult to get at this time).....

If you have anything else to add stonesavage, please do...

Robert

illbreakit

03-20-2005, 12:31 PM

Well, I managed to sneak in a little hill running on Fri. No pics though :mad: I had some of the hill with my camea, downloaded them to my comp, then the freakin comp decided to crash. Long painful, expensive story but I'm back online.

Anyway's, I'll see if I can get some still from the limited vid footage. The hill is 6-700 ft long I would imagine. It's freakin HUGE. My SUT with locked center diff and paddles on the rear would climb it all if I wasn't afraid of radio range. Man, it was a blast. My porting on the Mach.26, worked like a charm, getting the same, if not more RPM than a OFNA 8Port with killer bottom grunt. Man, I wish I could show you pics, you'd all be really jealous LOL

doesgo

03-20-2005, 12:32 PM

What was the total cost for all that stuff, if you don't mind my asking?

Sure sounds like a fun project, definitely keep us posted!

rgross

03-20-2005, 12:49 PM

What was the total cost for all that stuff, if you don't mind my asking?

Sure sounds like a fun project, definitely keep us posted!

It was about 95 bucks without the tires, rims, proline 23mm HD adapters, and because I am ordering through the lhs there is no shipping costs....I tried tower but they won't have some of the stuff untill april, so I figured try the lhs, can't be too much slower...

I hope it goes somewhat smooth, as this is my first not "manufactured to fit" project, everything I tried before was made for the intended purpose that I used it for, so it should be an experience...my wife bought me a dremel for xmas, I guess I will be learning how to use well.

Robert

illbreakit

03-20-2005, 01:09 PM

Ahh, a Dremel. One of the most usefull tool's of the RC hobby. Once you use it, you'll wonder how you ever got by without one :D Just remember, light pressure, let the tool do the work. It's easier to take more off, than reattach plastic shaving's

SUT1

03-20-2005, 03:21 PM

Just wanted to say HI and to let you know that there is one more die hard SUT owner out there that will not be buying a hot bodies truck. :D

t9dragon

03-20-2005, 04:16 PM

I've had my SUT for almost two months now! Man are they fun to drive. I trade my E-Maxx for the SUT and I also got a Storm buggy in the deal. What are you guys using for a steering servo?

doesgo

03-20-2005, 04:20 PM

I'm running the stock JR steering servo in my Storm buggy and a Hitec 645MG in my SUT. That 645 is pretty strong, but a bit slow. I'd go with the JR650 (around $50) or if you've got the cash get an Airtronics 358 ($100).

SUT1

03-20-2005, 05:36 PM

I been using Hitecs 5945 strong servo and fast got mine off e-bay for 75.00. Also used JR's 650 good servo just a little slow not a big deal until you use a faster servo. Then it's like having a faster motor once you have one you don't want to go slower. Just my opinon :D

stonesavage

03-20-2005, 06:52 PM

stonesavage

03-20-2005, 07:05 PM

Robert check out the LS thread! and www.hotbodiesforum.com about the Issue's with 40's on the Ls.

stonesavage

03-20-2005, 07:10 PM

Just wanted to say HI and to let you know that there is one more die hard SUT owner out there that will not be buying a hot bodies truck. :D That's what I said. until I drove one! ;)

illbreakit

03-20-2005, 07:51 PM

Anyone kill a Hitec 5645 in there's yet? I just stripped out the gears in mine. Haven't taken it out of the truck yet, been to buisy this weekend, but for sure I will and send it back to Hitec for that lifetime warranty.

rgross

03-20-2005, 08:00 PM

robert the sut front hubs fit as do the sut kuckells the lightning stadium is based on the 1/8 lightning buggy.I used the rear hubs from a kyosho buggy so the sut rears will work as for cvd's the losi monster truck cvd bones are a perfect match to the LS ones make shure when you get your cvd's to check the color of the pin! the T bone pin the part that goes into the diff! if it is silver you have the new updated ones! just take your time like doesgo said!If you want more down travel do the mod thats on gsracing to the arms NOT TO MUCH just a little plastic.IF your happy with the down travel then you want to remove JUST THE EARS off the ls arms! UNLESS you have a firioni chassis then leave the ears on the hingepin part of arms any questions just ask p.s I will post some pics as soon as horrizon get parts!

If the CVD's are the updated version, is that a good thing or a bad thing??
It almost sounds as if I am in over my head :confused:

So, You have driven the LS and you have the SUT, what is the difference and how much more do you like one over the other?? And If the LS is that much better, then do you feel the native racing upgrade would make the sut closer???

Just curious about your opinion...

Thanks

stonesavage

03-20-2005, 08:51 PM

If the CVD's are the updated version, is that a good thing or a bad thing??
It almost sounds as if I am in over my head :confused:

So, You have driven the LS and you have the SUT, what is the difference and how much more do you like one over the other?? And If the LS is that much better, then do you feel the native racing upgrade would make the sut closer???

Just curious about your opinion...

ThanksI bought an LS!moddin it right now :p the difference hmm well the ls almost drives itself! honesly it's handeling is amazing!I love mysutpro and plan on racing it with the ls and I will keep on adding performance upgrades to the sut but For now the ls handels better the extended chassis really makes a BIG difference in overall performance/hopefully gs will make one?as for native yes and no the arms will improve performance but I'm not a fan of alloy arms!There both great racers and i'm shure gsracing will release some new sut parts real soon! p.s updated=good

rgross

03-20-2005, 10:03 PM

I bought an LS!moddin it right now :p the difference hmm well the ls almost drives itself! honesly it's handeling is amazing!I love mysutpro and plan on racing it with the ls and I will keep on adding performance upgrades to the sut but For now the ls handels better the extended chassis really makes a BIG difference in overall performance/hopefully gs will make one?as for native yes and no the arms will improve performance but I'm not a fan of alloy arms!There both great racers and i'm shure gsracing will release some new sut parts real soon! p.s updated=good

I was wondering if I should just break down and buy the LS, but does anyone know of any rumors of other manufacturers coming out with a similar type truck and/or upgrades to existent trucks to match the dimensions and performance of the LS (i.e. additions to sut to match the LS)....I am beginning second guess my decision to buy the SUT?? :confused:

stonesavage

03-20-2005, 10:30 PM

The sut is a good racer and with the right mods and driver can hold it's own against any truggy the ls is real hot right now as was the sut when it came out!keep your sut cause gs will be putting out some performance kits this summer(ie arms n chassis)then everyone will be on da sut wagon! if you get an ls get the rtr it is lighter and from what I here more durable than the alloyarmed lsp + the Ls is only$399 shipped in the us at ultimate hobbies ;)

doesgo

03-20-2005, 10:39 PM

Mugen is putting out a truggy kit to go on their buggy, there are already kits out for Kyosho trucks, and I'd bet money other manufacturers have noticed the success of the SUT and the Lightning Stadium and will be releasing truggies of their own soon. Anything successful will be copied in due time.

stonesavage

03-22-2005, 11:46 PM

anyone tried a rear buggy wing on there sut? does it help in the flight stability

thedarkness

03-22-2005, 11:55 PM

I dont have on on the sut but I have one on the revo, Doesnt do squat for in flight stabilty just keeps me from destroying bodies.I think the big flat pan chassis has allot to do with in air stability.For those that say it adss downforce, no it just adds wieght in a truck, the tires and tall truck bodies are like bricks.You will feel a diffrence but only because you caring more weight in the rear.This is just my opinion on the matter.

RespirologyRC

03-24-2005, 12:31 AM

So lets talk for a moment about the racing sceen and its' affects on us the consumer:

Truggies are really good at racing becuase they look like trucks but drive like buggies.
So now we have manufacturers making kits to add to their buggies. Isn't this the same a buggy with a truck body--yes

I think truggies shouldn't be allowed

I like watching T-Maxx's and LST battle it out:)
Truggies are too close to buggies and shouldn't be allowed to race with eachother other than in an unlimited class

doesgo

03-24-2005, 01:05 AM

I agree, truggies and "traditional" independent-suspension monster trucks should run in separate classes to keep things fun and competitive. Buggy races are exciting because they're so fast and handle so well, but they don't have much character. If not for the stickers, it's hard to tell one from another. MTs have variety built in, and the traditional ones definitely have more character than the truggies.

Truggies and buggies are fun to race, though!

RespirologyRC

03-24-2005, 04:32 AM

Thanks for the backup, and you said it quite simply; "character."

All the truggies will end up looking the same and handle pretty close to their roots; while MT's bobble and swing and try to be competitive. MT are very fun to watch because their almost too aquard to race outright

stonesavage

03-24-2005, 03:11 PM

It's 90% driver I beat truggies with my savage! We run em all together and it;s a welcome change better than watching 10 revos run together! :D there is one revo it's one of the top comp it 's 7.5 lbs with a rb23!!! this silly truggy vs monster is so played! It's because alot of monster truck guys are 1st time racers and really can't drive that well on a race track! and soon as someone faster beats em then they complain! I ve seen it a hundred times! I remember when I used to run my dominator in MT and not a single word! :confused: isn't the dom a truggy?

stonesavage

03-26-2005, 09:44 PM

Took the sut out on fri after re adjusting camber and toe (SET IT AT O) BIG DIFFERENCE crazy speed thru the corners!! I tried a rear buggy wing and not much of a change just looks cool. there were a few monster trucks a mgt and a t maxx they were tring to keep up! key word-TRYING! :D I'm lovin this truggy!!

SUT1

03-26-2005, 10:47 PM

stonesavage what are you running for camber last year tried -5 front seemed to work very well just wondering what settings you tried. Guess I need to read your post a little closer your running at zero what were you running before change.

SUT1

03-26-2005, 10:54 PM

stonesavage what wing mounts are you using tried GS's and kept snapping them off by the shock tower mount.(some say I crash too much :D ) Just ordered a wing mount set for the avenger looks like they made some improvements on it.

stonesavage

03-26-2005, 11:13 PM

I set my truck up 100% like garens from gsracing! it did not work for myself! I also changed the shock oil to 25 all around Waaaaaaaay better! and 50 000 centre and 30 000 front 10 000 rear truck handels so much better alot easier to drive can push it way harder without it looping out.

stonesavage

03-26-2005, 11:21 PM

IF you run a wing it is a MUST!!! to have the fioroni ot14 rear bulkhead brace you will never brake a bulkhead or wing mount again! they are a must!! ;)

Monster Flip

03-27-2005, 01:47 AM

ok i tried reading from page 1 but it's (thread) just too long lol...anyway, I'm new to the truggy world...I mainly have Monster Trucks but I'm thinking of getting a Truggy now...I know the HB LS is hott right now but what are other kinds of truggies aside from the SUT and LS?
Last year I used to hear alot about the GS SUT, how good is it really? not much people talk about them now.

thedarkness

03-27-2005, 01:58 AM

Well there will be a mugen truggy and kawahara is importing a conversion for the mp777,and ofna will be realesing a truggy version of the jammin series of buggies.Of I forgot thunder tiger will be selling a S3 truggy, and XTM will be realeasing a"stadium" version of the mammoth.
Gs suts are awsome rigs on the right track, I kinda feel stupid for trading mine off.

gotspeed_2000

03-27-2005, 02:58 AM

My friend has one that I helped build. Also, GS is working on an extended chassis with longer arms, atleast that is what the rumor is. If these are released, that should take the SUT to level of the Hot Bodies lightening Stadium Pro and the MBX5 Truggy. Another plus with GS is that atleast here where I live, a couple of shops stock GS parts, whereas the Hot Bodies parts are kinda hard to come by. Also, the Mugen parts are a little more expensive so when you factor all that in, the SUT Pro with the extended chassis and longer arms will be very formidable on all tracks, not just the shorter ones. I'd buy one if I didn't already have a Mutant Max. But I'm still thinking of getting one though once the extended chassis and arms come out.

doesgo

03-27-2005, 12:22 PM

I think the reason you don't hear that much about the SUT this year is because it's basically "last year's news". People like to talk about new stuff, and there are new products out and others being tested. The SUT has been out for a year-and-a-half already. It's still a very good race truck, but the long arms and chassis of the other vehicles do have their advantages. Just part of the evolution of the monster truck.

Nitro Quad

03-27-2005, 08:25 PM

As usual dosego hit the nail on the head. I'm not much of a racer I usually just bash around dirt parking lots, but as soon as it warms up, and we get our track finished, hopefully that will all change. Anyway, as it was mentioned earlier parts are getting easier to get, and I don't think it was an accident that these other companies are turning some of their best buggies into truggy's. That's just my opinion, but I'm definitely holding on to my SUT.

stonesavage

03-29-2005, 07:19 PM

awesome sut pro with native conversion for sale on ebay!

erikderaaf

03-30-2005, 03:32 PM

finally my sut is race-ready again, let the races begin!

I sure love this truck, bashed it HARD around, no great damage except a few bumpers and a bent hingepin. (drove it into a lantern post)

Had some 40-series big-joes for the sut, but the problem was that wen full steering was applied the tires hit the body, hated that, now my buddy has them on his savage, and i'm driving again with the standard tires, which i like very much!! just good grip!

Got a parma gravedigger body from my dealer, soon it will be painted, but i think i'll have to buy some larger body post because of the high back of the body.
Stock body is still in one piece! except for the spoiler which 'fell off' just after breaking in the engine.

got a very cool image, where can i post it?

doesgo

03-30-2005, 03:35 PM

Sounds great! SUTs can be tons o' fun, that's for sure.

If you want to e-mail the image to me I can host it and post it or give you the URL and you can post it. doesgo@slapmafro.com

erikderaaf

03-31-2005, 01:19 AM

The pictures, thanks doesgo for the hosting!!

http://www.2quicknovas.com/bruce/gstruck1.jpg
http://www.2quicknovas.com/bruce/gstruck2.jpg
http://www.2quicknovas.com/bruce/gstruck3.jpg

you can see in the pictures that i use red schockcovers, made from elastic lycra stuff.
they work great, had no problems with the shocks!!

Only one thing i begin to notice, the stock steering servo begins to develop some play...don't like that

badboy2

03-31-2005, 01:48 AM

i want to get another truggy but one thing thats holding me back on the sut is that i heard they arent durable and parts are hard to get

doesgo

03-31-2005, 10:21 AM

If you do a few tweaks to the SUT it's quite durable. Parts-wise, depends on what you call "hard to get". Some hobby stores carry GS, some don't. Horizon stocks tons of GS stuff so you can order directly off their site, and supposedly you can order directly from GS now, too. There's also Stormer Hobbies and others, too.

DarkstaR1st

03-31-2005, 10:38 AM

Whoohooo... bought the conversion kit for the storm buggy... Going to bash this forum too!!!
Stormerhobbies is cool... friendly guys over there.. they've got allmost everything in stock. But it's terrible navigating the shop, but then again, it works great when u know partnumbers.

I'd really would like to do a race with the Buggy and SUT.. Just to see if i'm any good with them. But, hardly any races here in the neighbourghood and the tracks suck. Bummer..

Today i'm getting the hingepinbraces... GREAT!!

stonesavage

03-31-2005, 04:00 PM

DarkstaR1st

03-31-2005, 05:20 PM

well... got the hingpins braces.... The GS hingepin braces. What i noticed is that these hingepin braces have only 2 holes, only for the hingpins. No holes for attaching it to the bulkhead? Why is that? Should i drill the extra holes?

And one brace in front and one brace in the back. Not two per side??

BTW... the most important tweak is done....!! Steel all the way!!

doesgo

03-31-2005, 07:11 PM

Two holes....how do they stay on? Are there threaded holes for grub screws or something?

RespirologyRC

03-31-2005, 08:02 PM

The most important tweak STEEL SCREWS the stock screws are cheap!!!!!!alloy!!use steelscrews in the hingpin holders 2 per wheel!!(w lock nuts on top don't torque em down!! ) steel screws in the centre diff w some ca! braces/locktite and it's race ready!IT"S ONE TOUGH TRUGGY!!!

I just had this problem--- I guess I should have known better!! Where can I buy steel screws for this? And "CA"?!! On the center diff? Are you sure about this? It seems to me like CA might be too strong and in the even t that I need to take apart my center diff; wouldn't it be very difficult if I were using ca glue?

rgross

03-31-2005, 08:03 PM

Two holes....how do they stay on? Are there threaded holes for grub screws or something?

I also just put those on, and the end of th e pins are recessed and the lateral edge of the brace is threaded for grub screws.

I have no updated on the hotbodies widening parts due to back ordered parts :(

But I have torn down my truck and I am rebuilding it to the specs you sent me and the screws you sent me too. Thanks for your help and it will soon be all back together better than new :D

rgross

doesgo

03-31-2005, 08:30 PM

I've got the screws and locknuts you need, Respirology. M4x20mm hex-drive screws and M4 nylon locking nuts. I used to break at least one stock hinge pin block screw every time I went out racing or bashing, but ever since I got these high-strength (grade 10.9) screws last summer I've never broken even one!

We don't have our online store up and running yet, but I've got the stuff in stock and can sell you a pack of 10 screws (enough for the SUT plus two extra) for $2.00 and a pack of 10 lock nuts for $1.00, plus $1.00 for packaging and shipping.

I've also got in stock nearly every other screw, grub screw, and nut that goes on a Storm or SUT (and many other metric fasteners), let me know if there are any other sizes you need.

Post here or shoot me an e-mail if you (or anyone else) are interested. doesgo@slapmafro.com

RespirologyRC

04-01-2005, 01:23 AM

Doesgo I just sent you an email about the screws. Sounds like a great deal 10 for $2.00 and 1.00 shipping:)

Let me know the verdict:)

doesgo

04-01-2005, 06:34 AM

Taken care of, Respiro! Thanks a lot.

badboy2

04-01-2005, 10:04 AM

with the bashin that doesgo make on their trucks i guess the sut is tough then..i might consider it ..and for the parts issue i think its not a problem ..i forgot my lhs doesnt carry anything evrytime u go there they sold the last part that ur gonna buy and its on order heheheh

doesgo

04-01-2005, 10:22 AM

One more thing about the SUT, it's a backfliipping machine! It can be tough on the truck, but it sure is fun! I've done a triple so far, but I'm hoping for a quadruple this weekend. :)

illbreakit

04-01-2005, 10:43 AM

What ramp you usin to do your tripple's, Doesgo? How steep is the takeoff? I need to make a new one since them butheads took my last one.

Ok, I got my comp back up and running so I will have the tVP's finished this weekend and shipped next week. Allready have the flywheel wrenches drilled out. Haven't been on the mill in a long time. No new part's yet though, dunno when that will be. I haven't even had time to clean my SUT from last weekends 2 tank run :(

BTW, anyone ever strip a digital servo? I stripped the second gear from the output on my Hitec 5645. I thought there special plastic/metal gear that's off the motor was supposed to strip?? Oh well, I used the gears from a regular 625 in it, we'll see how long that will hold up, oh, and I loosened the servo saver a little LOL

RespirologyRC

04-01-2005, 05:02 PM

I blew my 58z airtronics servo. I sent it back and they fixed and check everything for $35.00. I wasn't happy, but it did save me from having to buy another 100+ dollar servo. I use it in my 15+ pound t-maxx.

doesgo

04-01-2005, 05:27 PM

Sounds great, illbreakit! Good to have you back.

Check out the "Backwoods Bash" video at www.slapmafro.com for the triple backflip, it's near the end. The jump enters at 5 degrees, exits at 45 degrees, and is about two feet tall. With a steeper angle or more speed I think I can get the quadruple. I put a Fantom 27 in my SUT in place of the O.S. 21RG this week so I'm going to try for the quad tomorrow.

erikderaaf

04-02-2005, 11:32 AM

Today i've bought the GS powerstarter, that is a hpi-rotostarter kind of device, made by GS racing for the sut.
i like this thing!!

stonesavage

04-02-2005, 03:02 PM

Factory team driver marty korn has a new page at www.gsracing.com called ask marty you can talk with him on the phone or e-mail him!korn won many major races last year with his sut pro.this year with the mugen truggy and hot bodies it's gonna be interesting.

stonesavage

04-04-2005, 03:32 PM

e-mail came from korn today-he's is testing the extended chassis right now and will be out very soon!!! :D

rgross

04-04-2005, 09:51 PM

e-mail came from korn today-he's is testing the extended chassis right now and will be out very soon!!! :D

Just curious, did he mention anything about extended A-arms and drive shafts???

Thanks

rgross

erikderaaf

04-05-2005, 04:37 AM

well, what do we think about the new body for te sut?
http://www.modelcar.pt/images/Dscn0067.jpg
http://www.modelcar.pt/images/Dscn0070.jpg

i like the old one better...

how about this sut?
http://www.modelcar.pt/images/rimg0163.jpg
http://www.modelcar.pt/images/Dscn0063.jpg

more:
http://www.modelcar.pt/GSNews.htm

doesgo

04-05-2005, 06:37 AM

I liked the old body a lot, except for the longitudinal white stripes. The new one is fine though. At least they're on top of things and keeping things fresh. This is a fast-changing industry, you gotta change things around now and then to keep the interest level up!

Is the mini a 1/20 scale? I'd like to see one in person. Good idea to jump on the mini bandwagon, but they're a little late to the party. Hope it sells well!

Can't wait to hear and see more about the Shadow! I've got a thing for 1/10-scale 4WD stadium trucks. I love my HPI NMT, and it's good to see more competition out there. MRC and Kyosho both have 1/10-scale 4WD trucks, but they sure didn't sell well. Odd that GS would try the market. I guess HPI is having success, but then why isn't Kyosho and MRC? Lack of advertising?

illbreakit

04-05-2005, 10:38 AM

I like the new body, might have to get me a clear one :D

RespirologyRC

04-05-2005, 10:51 AM

Doesgo send me an email I need to order some screws for my rear shock tower:) thanks a million

doesgo

04-05-2005, 11:49 AM

E-mail sent! You can always get me at doesgo@slapmafro.com, too.

Nitro Quad

04-05-2005, 12:43 PM

dosego, do you guys sell a complete screwed kit for the SUT? I also would be interested in anything else that might be screwed related. ie. hingpins...? If so please e-mail me at jguerney@bresnan.net .

Thanks.

doesgo

04-05-2005, 01:35 PM

Yeah, we've got all the screws and grub screws that go in a Storm and SUT (and the Savage and HPI Nitro MT as well) except for the oddball 3.5mm diameter "wood screws" that screw the two halves of the diff cases together. We're working on that.

We also have drill rod blanks that we've been using for hinge pins on the SUT that have been working quite well. Any length available up to 36". They're not notched like the stock pins, of course. If you want to specify a pin length and notch location we can take care of it, or we can send you the total length you want and you can cut it to fit as desired.

All our screws are machine-thread rather than the coarse-thread junk, all are hex-drive, and all are minimum Class 10.9 so they're much stronger than stock. So if you want an entire kit to use to replace the stock stuff or just to have on hand in case you need spares, no problem.

We also sell all sizes we carry of metric screws, washers, and lock nuts in packs of 10 if you'd prefer to go that route. Lots of sizes available with more coming in all the time.

We've also got genuine General Silicones fuel line, 7" and 4" black zip ties, CNC-machined aluminum flywheel wrenches, and CNC-machined lowered and extended 3.2mm Savage chassis plates, with more to come!

Our online store should be up shortly, but in the meantime e-mail your needs and questions to me at doesgo@slapmafro.com.

E-mail to come shortly, Nitro Quad!

doesgo

04-05-2005, 01:46 PM

Double post, sorry!

stonesavage

04-05-2005, 05:11 PM

Looks like the 2005 special edition sut in the above links is an extended chassis and captured hinge pin + it's c/w pro steering and 4mm towers this is the sut they should have made in the begining!

DarkstaR1st

04-06-2005, 07:58 AM

Whoohooo... got my SUT conversion kit today.... Now was i wondering if the kit has pro shocks with them or are they stock?

DarkstaR1st

04-06-2005, 08:00 AM

Just wished i knew when the longer chassis and suspensionarms are released. Then i would've waited a bit longer... oh well... I'm not a racer. though i wish i could race around here

stonesavage

04-06-2005, 03:48 PM

Just wished i knew when the longer chassis and suspensionarms are released. Then i would've waited a bit longer... oh well... I'm not a racer. though i wish i could race around hereFROM the e-mail's I recieved from gs the sut se is gonna come out real soon 1 month max!! as far as the longer arms they will be an ad on sold in a kit! the above links show the new sut w extended chassis and NEW HINGEPIN SYSTEM(the chassis n captured hingepin would be the best upgrade you could get!!!

stonesavage

04-06-2005, 03:51 PM

Whoohooo... got my SUT conversion kit today.... Now was i wondering if the kit has pro shocks with them or are they stock? Depends there are 2 conversions pro and non pro!

doesgo

04-06-2005, 04:09 PM

Getting rid of the hinge pin blocks sounds GREAT to me!

DarkstaR1st

04-06-2005, 05:46 PM

Well... I got the pro kit... with the carbon radionplate and centerdif plate. Guess i have the pro shokc then...

But. I'm having difficulty with the installation of the GS hingpinbraces.how do u install the hingepin braces? The bumper won't fit now. The opening under de hingepin is too small to fit the bumper (filler for the diffs). Do i even need the bumpers?

To fit the bumpers i know i have to dremel it a little.. but it renders one of the holes useless. Bit the filler for the diffs will never fit under the hingepinbrace

Let me know

t9dragon

04-06-2005, 05:54 PM

FROM the e-mail's I recieved from gs the sut se is gonna come out real soon 1 month max!! as far as the longer arms they will be an ad on sold in a kit! the above links show the new sut w extended chassis and NEW HINGEPIN SYSTEM(the chassis n captured hingepin would be the best upgrade you could get!!!

Which link is it and how can you tell?

DarkstaR1st

04-06-2005, 06:09 PM

http://www.modelcar.pt/GSNews.htm

That's the link.. And compare

SUT1

04-06-2005, 06:37 PM

I think you install the hinge pin braces on the inside of the diff housings . Then you can use your bumpers as normal thats what I did right or wrong it works.

stonesavage

04-06-2005, 07:09 PM

I think you install the hinge pin braces on the inside of the diff housings . Then you can use your bumpers as normal thats what I did right or wrong it works.That's right on da inside! :D

stonesavage

04-06-2005, 07:12 PM

http://beatyourtruck.com/Gallery/albums/othermonsters/afv.jpg

stonesavage

04-06-2005, 07:17 PM

The header is almost in line with the front of the rear arm! in the links the new sut se there is bout a 1 inch gap from the header to the rear arm and you can see they have added a proper hinge pin system ,4mm towers, pro draglink, all the problems of the first rtr look to be solved!

DarkstaR1st

04-06-2005, 07:21 PM

that will work... but that renders the braces allmost useless.. The majority of the forces will work on the outside of it. When u land a jump or crash into something the forces will be pushing the arms back. To counter that the braces need to be on the outside... On the inside there will be forces working on it but that will be fairly mild forces

SUT1

04-06-2005, 07:47 PM

The braces work really well I use to bend hinge pins after every hard endo after the braces never bent another pin.

DarkstaR1st

04-11-2005, 05:39 PM

Ok here's the deal... These are my findings of the GS Hingpinbraces.

- The braces are made to be put on the inside of the Diffs.
- GS has one brace per diff instead of 2
- The braces aren't meant to be fastened to the bulkheads.

This all sounds like it sucks. But this is what i did.

- I bought 2 front and 2 rear braces.
- I fitted the 2 rear ones to the outside of the diffs. I did this because the biggest forces will be working on the outside. And if u look at the chassis plate u'll see that the braces are badly needed on the outside then on the inside. I could have fitted 1 of the front braces but then i would need longer hingepins. The other front hingpin doesn't fit. So, if anyone needs a front hingepin, just reply?
- This way u can't fit the bumpers anymore. But, i didn't like those anyway, the car looks way cooler without them.

With this setup i did some THOROUGH testing :D . After a whole day of insane bashing nothing broke. I did a jump that went real bad. I launced the SUT 4.5 or 5.5 meters in the air, landed nose down on one wheel (no bumpers :rolleyes: . only the steering plate got bend. I didn't reinforce that yet.

I bend it back again and went for another go. This time more speed. I didn't go that high this time but landed just the same.. And again. Just the steering plate.!!!!!

The hingpin braces on the outside RULE!! Just have to reinforce the steering plate and i have a bashproof SUT... Well, allmost anyway. :)

My tire glueing skills suck!!... Every tire is getting loose :(

DarkstaR1st

04-11-2005, 06:06 PM

That was my review of the braces..

Now for the SUT. IT IS AWESOME... Man, that car is fun to drive!! the .21 engine dishes out more then enough power to overcome any obstacle. More power would be insane. It would be wheelie all the way. And that, to me, is no fun to drive.

Hill climbing is a piece of cake with it... Speedwise i found it incredible.

handling on the ground is great. I have to tinker the setup a little more to even out some of the wrinkles i guess. When i a tap the brake or just let go of the throttle and go into a turn it want's to skid around 180 to 360 degrees.

Handling in the air is a bit of a handfull... It's like a brick in the air with way too much reaction to the controls. Although, i'm not that experienced in jumping so it just as well could be me :D. With some practise i guess i'll get that down, too.

And is it tough? Read the post above. With the steering plate reinforced and hingepin braces on the outside the SUT is virtually indestructable.

Looks: it looks great... whithout the body. This baby just doesn't look good with a truck body. Get a crowpleaser or another sedan body on there and the SUT will be HOT!!!!

All in all, the SUT is awesome!!

stonesavage

04-11-2005, 10:04 PM

NICE! another happy sut owner!

doesgo

04-11-2005, 11:17 PM

Great report, Darkstar! Thanks a lot for taking the time. I think I'll be investing in some GS hinge pin braces!

RespirologyRC

04-12-2005, 01:48 AM

If anyone is looking for really strong screws, nuts, and anything else-- doesgo is the man!! I bought some stuff off of him for my storm and storm pro. I kept on stripping screws due to mud or other crap getting in the way of my phillips head screw driver. But with the hex screws that he sold me this is a thing of the past. I highly recomend securing the hinge pins with a screw and lock nut.

Thanks doesgo, the diff case looks sweet and fits perfectly and with the extra long screws and locknuts I was able to secure that wing super tight. The only way it will ever fall off the shocktower is if someone shots it with a missile.

doesgo

04-12-2005, 06:21 AM

Thanks for the plug, RespirologyRC, and I'm really glad it's all working out so well for you!

erikderaaf

04-12-2005, 12:37 PM

well hingepin braces should be interesting for me, yesterday a hingepin holder came loose from my chassis.. the screw tore the chassis plate open.

ordered the reinforced chassis.. maybe that one will last longer

doesgo

04-12-2005, 01:13 PM

The Pro chassis does seem quite a bit tougher than the RTR version. I believe it's 7075 aluminum rather than 6061 and it's also hard-coated which makes it stronger. I've ripped the screws right through three RTR chassis so far, but since I started beating on my Fioroni and GS Pro chassis they've held up admirably. It's nice to break arms instead of chassis!

illbreakit

04-12-2005, 02:44 PM

I've got all the Pro stuff other than the diff to chassis braces. Let me tell you. I have flown that SUT so far it should have frequent flyer miles :D Hingepin braces, Awesome, but they doo need to 'box' the arms, or, atleast be in front of the front arm's. I was going to try that way, but I like/need the use of my front bumper. The only cqarnage at my last BMX track outing was popping the rear center dogbone out because the rear diff to chassis brace, the plastic wallowed out so it wasn't a tight fit on the ball end. Kept poping off. Pro braces fopr me soon. :D

erikderaaf

04-12-2005, 04:50 PM

already had a popping chassis brace problem, but got loads of spares zo replaced.
was thinking of the pro braces, but the chassis is now costing me more then enough...
also thinking about the center- front and center-rear cvd's, should be esier to mount, because i almost always forget to place the 4mm o-rings between dogbone end and outdrive.

thinking about thicker oil in the center diff, have 30k's in it now, but when climbing the front end looses traction soon, and the rear wheels won't push the car anymore.

yesterday i was testing jamara alu clutch shoes, liked them after a few tanks.
the first two tanks the clutch bel was almost smokin' hot..
performed better after that.
Think i'll use stiffer springs with the alu clutch... they seem to engage much sooner than the stock clutch shoes.

as a possible project for the future, i'll maybe design a new type of radio plate, place a third servo to make it possible to adjust brake balance on my transmitter (3 channel transmitter), or get a handbrake style effect.

DarkstaR1st

04-12-2005, 05:39 PM

The chassis braces popping off is easy to cure!! Put a longer screw through the chassis to fit a washer and a locknut... Problem solved!! Works miracles.!

And costs much less.

Allthough i'll eventually buy the alu braces cause they are so damn beautifull!! heheh...

DarkstaR1st

04-12-2005, 05:43 PM

Doesgo... when u are going for the hinge pin braces... how will u fit them? Like i did or like it was intended?

doesgo

04-12-2005, 06:16 PM

Probably like you did, DarkstaR. I'd like braces on both sides of both diffs, but if I can only have them on one end, it'll be the rear of the rear diff and front of the front diff. I think that's where the majority of the loading is.

doesgo

04-12-2005, 06:18 PM

I'd try some 100,000 or 120,000 weight oil, erik. Also do what DarkstaR said about the chassis braces. I did that last time I assembled my SUT and it's been working great!

rgross

04-12-2005, 08:03 PM

Does anyone run different shocks than the stock shocks, and if so what brand, from what kit???

Thanks for any input

rgross

RespirologyRC

04-12-2005, 09:18 PM

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=158170&page=29&pp=25

You can see my modded inferno springs and shock setup here. They are very plush. The storm can be dropped from 2 feet straight down onto concrete and not bottom out at all.

DarkstaR1st

04-13-2005, 07:31 PM

Could someone please give me a drawing with measurements of the steeringplate, asap...

Or a top-down photo of a steering plate... I've seriously bend mine and don't know the exact shape of the thing. Someone is making me one of tougher alu or one in stainless steel (or both). But he needs a model.

Next week i have a RC meeting where i HAVE to do a ton of bashing to impress all the ppl there with what the SUT can do and take.

So, please help....

Anemic_SluG

04-14-2005, 02:14 AM

Hey 2 questions for you SUT owners. 1) Do any of you have a problem with the front cvd or dogbone comming out when you hit a pipe racing, seems like the steering extends to far, the only thing I can think of it putting in a really long bolt so it hits the a arm preventing it from oging any further. 2) what clutch set ups are you all using I tries a fironi turbo sliding cluthc but it didn't have enough grab then went to alum shoes and they seem to slip as well. Any ideas wouldbe great!

DarkstaR1st

04-14-2005, 06:24 AM

I also have the dogbone problem... sometimes the steering locks up when i flipped the car. I think one of the dogbones popped out a little and holds the cvd in place. The wheel can't turn when it happens. I'll have to look into that also... maybe a small piece of fuelline fitted in thr cvd'd will prevent that from happening (i know it will). But i don't know yet if you need the extra space in the cvd for the dogbone to move, for example when the moves up.

stonesavage

04-14-2005, 08:35 PM

I don't like how this truggy handells in the air!! I will be racing my LSP until gs puts out this extended chassis! P.S THE NEW JAMMIN J MT IS OUT looks good lsp type alloy arms extended chassis! pixs in r/ccar mag!

FreeRideJunkie

04-15-2005, 12:38 AM

Is it possible to mount a .18 in the SUT?? I have a chance to pick up a RTR minus motor but I only have an OS .18 right now. I know I would eventually get a big block in the future... but for now is there another motor mount that will allow me to run the .18??? Please help, thanks.

stonesavage

04-15-2005, 09:32 PM

anything's possible! I seen pixs of garen 's(team driver) sut with a novarossi .15 in it!

FreeRideJunkie

04-16-2005, 12:59 AM

t9dragon

04-16-2005, 01:18 AM

I have a friend who said he'd sell me his RTR (don't remember .21 or .25) for $175. I figured that's a screaming deal so I may just snatch that up quickly.

Man, I would buy another SUT for that price.

FreeRideJunkie

04-16-2005, 07:47 AM

Man, I would buy another SUT for that price.

Ok... so good deal. :D Hell at that price I don't care if I need to do a little work to get it perfect either.

rgross

04-16-2005, 11:05 AM

Do they sell a mount or is it a custom job??? I may have solved the problem though. I have a friend who said he'd sell me his RTR (don't remember .21 or .25) for $175. I figured that's a screaming deal so I may just snatch that up quickly.

For that just a little more you can get many different new engines....Check this engine from picco...hyper .21 8 port race engine (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFAC3&P=7)

or....hyper .27 big block (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKBG0&P=ML)

SOOO many options....

rgross

04-16-2005, 11:12 AM

For that just a little more you can get many different new engines....Check this engine from picco...hyper .21 8 port race engine (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFAC3&P=7)

or....hyper .27 big block (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKBG0&P=ML)

SOOO many options....

I found one even cheaper...Hyper 8 port with pull start (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34062&item=5969623368&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW)

FreeRideJunkie

04-16-2005, 07:06 PM

Oh... I hope you don't think that I meant just the motor for $175. I will be getting the entire vehicle RTR, 3/4 gallon fuel, radio, glow starter, extra shock tower, extra screws, new steering servo, reciever 5-cell pack, and 2 bodies for $175. I saw the thing run today.THe only problems are that the tabs on one side of the throttle servo are broken off. Nothing a zip tie and small shim can't fix for now. That and there is something wrong with the on-off switch, This isn't really a problem seeing that I won't be using the switch... too many problems with them.

stonesavage

04-16-2005, 08:09 PM

Make shure to go over this thread sut rtr's are not rtr untill you make em so!! hinge pin blocks are the main problem! read thru and do the mods! if not you'll be sorry p.s ebay brand new hyper 21 8 ports go for $100us

FreeRideJunkie

04-16-2005, 10:18 PM

What do you mean not RTR??? Do you just mean not as strong as you think they should be??? :confused:

doesgo

04-17-2005, 08:21 PM

They have a few weaknesses from the factory that need to be addressed before driving them much. The biggest ones in my opinion (beyond the aforementioned hinge pin braces), are the weak stock lower arm mount screws (get high-strength replacements), the thin shims in the shocks that keep the pistons where they're supposed to be, and the steering plate that goes between the bellcranks. It bends VERY easily. Get the Pro version of it or get two RTR plates and JB Weld them together for added strength.

There's more, but those are the biggies.

FreeRideJunkie

04-17-2005, 11:38 PM

Gotcha... of those I know at least the screw part has been changed to their better screw kit or something. All hardened stainless. I'll check out the rest when I get the truck next week.

Also, the on-off switch went to hell... there's no problem eleminating it, soldering the connections and just plugging and unplugging the battery to turn it on or off is there???

doesgo

04-18-2005, 06:14 AM

Nope, no problem with eliminating the switch, it's just a convenience thing.

As for the screws, I tried stainless and rather than just shearing off like the stock ones they bent. I'm not sure which is better, broken or bent. Both are bad, but at least bent will let you still run the truck where broken means you're done.

If you're interested, I've got some Class 10.9 alloy steel M4 x 20mm hex-drive flat-head screws available that I've NEVER seen or heard of breaking and I know lots of people running them. $2 for a pack of 10, plus shipping. Entire high-grade SUT and Storm screw kits available as well. E-mail me at doesgo@slapmafro.com for more info.

RespirologyRC

04-19-2005, 12:50 AM

speaking of screws, doesgo send me another email, I need some screws. I know your problably thinking that i go through an awful lot of screws but as I'm getting ready for racing season I've noticed that a lot of my rc's are in need of beefier screws.

Thanks Bruce

doesgo

04-19-2005, 01:12 AM

Still more screws? LOL! E-mail sent, Respiro!

FreeRideJunkie

04-19-2005, 02:09 AM

How much for the full SUT screw set???

RespirologyRC

04-20-2005, 04:08 PM

Doesgo (or anyone for this matter) does the .25 Engine have enough torque to pull wheels on the sut? I use this engine in my t-maxx that weighs close to 13lbs. , it is a very nice engine--idles well, starts on the first couple of pulls, and seems to have plenty of top and bottom end. The reason why I'm asking is because my maxx won't pull wheelies and I'm trying to figure out if it's because a) need a better clutch b) need smaller clutch bell than the current 20t c) transmission is skipping first gear and going straight into second due to the weak clutch springs d) my truck needs a diet. There are just too many possible problems so I thought I would ask. If you guys tell me that the sut pulls wheelies at ease then something with my maxx is definetly wrong. But if you say no the sut doesn't pull wheels but does come close then I can assume that my I'm using too high of a clutch bell. My truck is fast and I just want a little more from her.

doesgo

04-20-2005, 05:14 PM

I don't know WHY your Maxx isn't pulling wheelies, but the GS R25MT engine definitely has the power to do it! I was pulling wheelies in my Savage with NO problems at all with the GS 25 installed (see Farm Bash 7 starting 40 seconds into it, stock-looking gray-bodied Savage at www.slapmafro.com), and a T-Maxx is lighter and has a shorter wheelbase.

The SUT doesn't really do wheelies though, at least not without help from VERY thick center diff oil or a bump on the ground. In our Farm Bash 6 video at www.slapmafro.com you can see mine flipped itself right over a time or two (orange body), but that was thanks to a bump and suspension action.

doesgo

04-20-2005, 05:15 PM

The SUT screw kit contains 211 pieces and sells for $23.00.

RespirologyRC

04-20-2005, 08:24 PM

I'm glad to here that the sut doesn't pull wheelies easily. My maxx is 22" long and I believe this is slightly longer than the savage. I also have placed the battery pack in the very front, and as I'm thinking about this now I believe that I might be overgeared.

doesgo

04-20-2005, 09:18 PM

So you're not talking about a stock T-Maxx, right? If it's over-geared, its top speed must be pretty impressive, eh?

RespirologyRC

04-20-2005, 10:26 PM

Allow me to describe its' speed for you:

Imagine one long hill (45 yards long) that is angled at 45 degrees. As your going down the first 15 yards it plateaus (4 foot plateau) to a side walk, then drops for the remaining 30 yards. Well now picture my truck speeding up this rocky terrain and jumping over this plateau only to land and keep on climbing.

Very impressive. Soo impressive infact that I find it more enjoyable watching it climb-jump-climb than the reverse.

Now when it is going down this hill and hits the plateau it flies out for approx. 7 feet and drops. I honestly believe that the hang time on this thing is a good second before it sees the ground again. And this is how I broke lots of parts. Of course I just kept on doing it until I no longer was able to drive my Maxx. For the record when I set out to test this "race track" machine by no means did I intend on wrecking it. But I guess this just points out the areas that need fortifying:)

doesgo

04-20-2005, 11:07 PM

Sounds like a blast! And I always figure you'll never learn what the limits of a machine are until you surpass those limits, so breakage is a learning experience. :)

Keep up the good work!

erikderaaf

04-22-2005, 02:30 AM

wow, my shocks are wrecked.... noticed a lot of play and yes, the piston shim was gone, came loose, destroyed the piston...
well, new parts ordered (my dealer is happy again) and will try to modify some 2mm shims so they will fit.
2,6mm shims are very hard to get, almost impossible...

anyone some tips? i don't really like the idea of ordering some inferno schocks... very expensive...

DarkstaR1st

04-22-2005, 04:02 AM

Whoooohooooooooo...... i still have goosebumps allover... The second trailer of Fighting Gravity is AWESOME!!!

Doesgo.... again..... sick.....

doesgo

04-22-2005, 06:19 AM

Thanks DarkstaR1st! We had some fun with that one, to be sure. That's a GS Storm at the very end, too. :) If someone doesn't know what Dark is taking about, go to www.slapmafro.com and watch "Trailer 2".

erikderaaf: Buy two Yokomo diff thrust bearing sets (ZS-507, I got mine direct from Yokomo) and use the washers (two washers per kit) to replace the rediculously-thin shims under the pistons in the shocks. The stock shims are way too thin and WILL bend and slide down the shaft allowing the piston to do the same, which means there's no shock absorption, as you know. The Yokomo thrust bearing plates (washers) fit perfectly, are quite thick, and are made of hardened steel. Probably outlast the rest of the shock.

I'd also suggest buying a GS shock rebuild kit (comes with o-rings and bladders) (GSCSH8) and some extra shock pistons (GSC10063), I've torn shock bladders and broken one piston so far, so it's nice to have the spares on hand. The repair kit bladders seem thicker than the RTR bladders for some reason, too. I think I've torn three RTR bladders but since I replaced those particular ones with rebuild kit bladders, I don't think I've had any problems with the kit bladders at all.

The Yokomo kits are about $3/each, the shock repair kits are around $3/kit.

RespirologyRC

04-22-2005, 09:17 PM

On the bottom of the shock there are 4 pieces- 2 alum shims and 2 plastic shims/spacers that are white in color and have different thicknesses. I found that the white plastic spacers need to be replaced.

johannsy

04-22-2005, 10:34 PM

I'm new to my SUT Pro version can you help me out on what parts needed to be change thnks!

doesgo

04-22-2005, 11:51 PM

What are you converting, from a buggy to an SUT or from RTR to Pro?

stonesavage

04-24-2005, 12:20 AM

Guys the sut special editions are at gsracing web! its say's they are only releasing 999 and no mention of an option for us!! to just buy the extended chassis and captured hinge pin kits!! TAKE 5 MIN and send them an e-mail requesting that they offer US an option to just by the parts!! if there is a demand they will make em avaliable!!! THANKS!

erikderaaf

04-24-2005, 02:38 AM

doesgo, unfortunately yokomo parts are hard to get here in holland, still waiting on some yokomo parts to make a front ball diff for my tamiya TRF415ms, parts have been orderen one and a half month ago....

anyway, thanks for the tip doesgo! will try to order some more!

on the bottom of the shock i saw differences between the normal RTR versions and the pro shocks.
pro shocks use white plastic shims, with a slightly larger diameter then the standard black shims in the rtr shock

championship version is very very nice!! I sure do like the 100% captured suspension mounts!!

johannsy

04-24-2005, 10:31 AM

What are you converting, from a buggy to an SUT or from RTR to Pro?
My Sut is a pro version already not a rtr sut and not a buggy to a SUT I need your advice on your experience what else do i need to change parts for me to go racing I saw Fioroni option parts and torsen diff for SUT.

stonesavage

04-24-2005, 07:27 PM

captured hinge pins and extended chassis!! WOULD FIX!! the 2 WEAK POINTS OF THE STOCK SUT PRO!!

RespirologyRC

04-25-2005, 12:59 AM

You could also buy a hardcore racing titanium chassis. They are designed for the buggy but have the same mounting points as the sut. Only problem is; they sell for 80.00 new.

johannsy

04-25-2005, 11:00 AM

captured hinge pins and extended chassis!! WOULD FIX!! the 2 WEAK POINTS OF THE STOCK SUT PRO!!
Sir where can I buy captured hinge pins? For SUT

SUT1

04-25-2005, 03:05 PM

Sir where can I buy captured hinge pins? For SUT
Go to gsracing.com they sell the fironi chassie with the captured hinge pins or you can just buy the hinges and pins but I don't know if you can use them on a stock chassie.

stonesavage

04-25-2005, 11:42 PM

The new chassis will be 1 inch longer and you will need the captured hinge pin kit!! both will be sold seperatly!!! and will be for sale in 2 weeks as per the e-mail from gs that I recieved today!!

erikderaaf

04-26-2005, 04:23 AM

why will you need the hinge pin kit with the chassis?

just bought the optional 7075 chassis for my sut, don't feel like buying an extended version for now....
i am hoping i can just buy the captured hinge pin kit, and that this will fit on my sut.

but when you buy the extended chassis, i think you'll also need some larger chassis braces and center drive shafts?

doesgo

04-26-2005, 06:11 AM

The chassis braces from the RTR fit fine. You can also reuse the stock center driveshafts, but space them out with about 4mm of fuel line in each of the four center drive cups to center the driveshafts. I've had no problems with this setup on either my Storm buggy (longer Fioroni chassis) or SUT (Storm Pro chassis).

johannsy

04-26-2005, 08:56 PM

Ok guys thanks for the info gonna get the parts any more weakness for SUT PRO? I saw the knuckles I think its a bit brittle and those screws do they have hex titanium screws sets?

doesgo

04-26-2005, 10:19 PM

I've broken one of the cast steering knuckles in an entire season of racing and some pretty rough bashing so I don't believe they're brittle. The A/B block screws are, however. I don't know about titanium screws, but I've got some Class 10.9 hex-drive screws available that are MUCH stronger than stock. I used to break one or two stock screws every time I'd race or bash, but since I started using these screws in the middle of last summer I've never broken a single one. I sell a 10-pack of the M4x20mm block screws for $2.00 plus shipping, if you're interested. doesgo@slapmafro.com

As for other weaknesses....the Pro steering plate is better than the RTR plate but most people still double them up for strength. Does the Pro come with hinge pin braces? If not, get some. I think the other upgrades the Pro receives pretty much take care of most of the weaknesses within the RTR. Oh, I'd suggest drilling through the body posts and running mount screws long enough to go completely through the posts so you can put a locking nut on the backside. Without that the mounts will loosen up.

stonesavage

04-26-2005, 11:14 PM

Also go to gsracing and read how to race tune your sut!

doesgo

04-26-2005, 11:23 PM

Definitely! Garen did a very nice write-up on that, very impressive they took the time and effort to do it.

johannsy

04-27-2005, 07:46 AM

Thank you for the info! the steering knuckles is thesame with hobao hyper 7 maybe the torsen also fits SUT

DarkstaR1st

04-29-2005, 10:39 AM

i think my clutch is fried!! :( Should i upgrade to something better or just use the stock ones?

Ow, Doesgo... i'm interrested in 3 complete sets of the SUT screwkits. How do we handle this?

doesgo

04-29-2005, 10:50 AM

The kits contain 211 pieces and are $23 each plus shipping, but if you order three kits all at once I'll take care of the shipping myself. Send $69.00 via PayPal to sales@slapmafro.com with a description and I'll ship them out ASAP. E-mail me at doesgo@slapmafro.com if you have any questions or concerns, or if PayPal doesn't work for you.

As for the clutch...I smoked my stock clutch pretty fast, too. I went with Mugen aluminum shoes and 1.0 springs and I really like that setup!

DarkstaR1st

04-29-2005, 10:51 AM

Wow... quick reply...!

And thanx on the tip.

DarkstaR1st

04-29-2005, 02:50 PM

how can you tell that a clutch is worn out... ?

doesgo

04-29-2005, 03:21 PM

When the shoes have worn down enough for the springs to contact the clutch bell, it's time to replace the shoes. At least that's what I do!

DarkstaR1st

04-29-2005, 04:45 PM

Then that is exactly what happened.. Thanx doesgo....

DarkstaR1st

04-29-2005, 05:24 PM

Screwkits ordered :)

johannsy

04-29-2005, 08:18 PM

As for the clutch...I smoked my stock clutch pretty fast, too. I went with Mugen aluminum shoes and 1.0 springs and I really like that setup!
Can I use Xray XB8 aluminum shoes and 1.0 springs? how about the flywheel I thinks its not that durable.

doesgo

04-30-2005, 10:37 PM

Thanks DarkstaR! I'll be shipping ASAP.

johannysy, you probably could use the XRAY shoes and 1.0 springs, but they might not act like the Mugen shoes would. Experiment and see what happens! Worst case they just don't work very well or don't give the characteristics you're looking for and you'll have to pull the engine back out.

What flywheel are you talking about not being durable? I haven't used an XRAY flywheel, but I've used GS Racing flywheels on three vehicles for over a year and had no problems with any of them.

Monster Flip

05-01-2005, 12:13 AM

is it worth getting the SUT RTR version? or it's gotta be the PRO? I may be trading my savage for an SUT RTR Version. Should I? what are the main differences between the 2? aside from the Carbon Fiber tray

badboy2

05-01-2005, 01:15 AM

i think aside from the cf part theyre just the same but im not sure tho

Anemic_SluG

05-01-2005, 02:00 AM

go the GS web site.... the chassis, shock towers and some carbon fiber parts are some of the differences along with alum. chasis braces rather than a steel rod. Those are some of the differences hope it helps.. I have a SUT pro and I love it so far.. going to take it out racing in a week or two against all the revos at my track.

DarkstaR1st

05-01-2005, 04:16 AM

Even with the pro version u need an important hop-up... the hingpin braces. If u can i would go for the pro version.. especially when u like to bash. Everything is more durable and lighter... the best things on a pro version are the 7075 alu chassis and shocktowers.. oh and the pro shocks.

all much stronger

rgross

05-01-2005, 07:51 AM

I have a question regarding the front end of the sut....I have a rtr converted to pro...

I mostly race.... I noticed when I hit one of the larger jumps, if I land with my front wheels, it seems to be a smoother and more controled landing with minimal chassis slap... So, I was looking at my sut last night and noticed if I push down on the rear end, it will bottom out and hit the chassis on the table, but when I push the front end, it will not bottom out, it almost feels as if the shocks completely compress and the shock bottom and the shock rod end just come together and stop any further movement, will this eventually lead to blown shocks and bent screws that hold the shock in the a-arm????

Is this a problem?? And if so, what kind of fixes have others done??
If I fix this, what else can I do to improve jump landings, I think it is a trade off, becuase if I firm the suspension up with thicker oil, then I won't have the bump absorption that I have now (the local track is extremely bumpy and rutted), My track only has two bigger jumps, the rest is small jumps and tons of ruts and bumps...

Thanks

rgross

p.s. Doesgo has a great screw kit, if you need any replacement screws or want to upgrade to an excellent screw kit, drop him a line...Thanks doesgo, I am very happy with the screws and stickers I bought from recently :)

stonesavage

05-01-2005, 07:02 PM

I posted the fix to this problem a few pages back!! medium shocks!!(optional)not buggy(small) allows the front to bottom out!! both team drivers use them on there sut!!

erikderaaf

05-04-2005, 02:33 AM

bought something new for my sut!
A LRP Z28r spec2 nitro engine (.28 rebadged SH comp engine 6+1 ports, balanced shafts etc.)

This engine should make my car fly (buddy placed this type in a normal stom buggy and it was out of control, wheelspin all the way!)

The engine is project one, in the future i want to design a brushless conversion, in a way that i can change from nitro to brushless and vice versa in a matter of minutes.

erikderaaf

05-08-2005, 04:20 AM

DarkstaR1st

05-08-2005, 05:59 AM

And i keep busting steering plates... how strong is the Pro steeringplate and what about that new plate in the link above that Erik gave?

Is that plate also made out of 7075alu?

SUT1

05-08-2005, 11:49 AM

And i keep busting steering plates... how strong is the Pro steeringplate and what about that new plate in the link above that Erik gave?

Is that plate also made out of 7075alu?
I have been using Hardcores titanium steering plate all of last year and now this year and so far have not bent one very good piece. Plate uses the same flange bearings as the pro steering plate.

stonesavage

05-08-2005, 03:12 PM

seems my stock steering servo is gone! it has a lot of play and there is very little steering reaction!
i am now looking for a new steering servo, mayble i'll order a thundertiger power servo, it has to be strong, because the stock one was'nt very strong.

and i saw this!!!!
http://www.gsracing.com/web/page.asp?pgs=products&catid=197
I want those braces and hingepins!!! I think you will need to modify the stock chassis! to make them fit as the sut ce chassis is alot more narrow at the mounts.If you have a sut your better off getting the ce chassis for better handeling.

DarkstaR1st

05-08-2005, 04:33 PM

well... i hope those hardcore ones are tough enough. I don't have bumpers anymore because of the way i've installed the hingepins..

erikderaaf

05-09-2005, 02:21 AM

ce chassis narowwer? Don't know that, but if they would do that, they would need complete newer sorts of diff housings etc., otherwise they wouldn't fit because they were too wide!

The pro steering plate holds up very well, much, much stronger then the stock version (which you can bend with bare hands!)

erikderaaf

05-10-2005, 07:47 AM

Just asked marty korn, the 100% captured braces unfortunately do not fit on the sut rtr.

too bad...

doesgo

05-10-2005, 08:36 AM

That really, really, really sucks! That's my biggest pet peeve about the Storm and SUT, the darn hinge pin block system!

stonesavage

05-10-2005, 07:11 PM

If your into racing the sut then why not get the ce chassis? as per marty korn IT WILL TAKE YOUR SUT TO THE NEXT LEVEL!! It will make the truggy alot more faster/ stable and easier to jump!! ect.. you will need the braces and longer dogbones and pin kit.

doesgo

05-10-2005, 09:42 PM

Cost is the main factor (and I just installed a Storm Pro chassis), and since my local track was shut down this year I haven't been racing. Hopefully next year.

DarkstaR1st

05-11-2005, 02:59 AM

Received the screwkit yesterday from slapmafro, awesome....!! My friends and i are VERY happy. The kit is a LOT more then i thought it would be.

Thanx doesgo...

marvi

05-11-2005, 03:52 AM

used my SUT for the first time last week. ran 5 tanks with no problems, other than a bent steering plate (stock blue aluminum). i planned to use double plates but our lhs has none in stock.

i used the steering plate from an XB8 (got for approx $10 in our lhs) and it fit with no modifications. the hole measurements are a bit off from the stock SUT plate, modifiying the stock geometry a bit, but there is no binding in the steering action. ill try it on the track this coming weekend to see if it the truck steers differently :cool:

doesgo

05-11-2005, 06:32 AM

Received the screwkit yesterday from slapmafro, awesome....!! My friends and i are VERY happy. The kit is a LOT more then i thought it would be.

Thanx doesgo...

Glad you like them! Thank YOU, DarkstaR!

Interesting information, marvi. I wonder how many other vehicles have stronger steering plates that would work on the Storm/SUT?

RespirologyRC

05-12-2005, 03:48 AM

I've been toying with the idea of buying Inferno 7.5, suspension parts. They look like the exact same parts as the storm. The arms upper and lower look the same aswell as the hubs. I'll buy a set and let you guys know how they fit.

I would buy fiorroni but feel that they over price everything they sell. The parts my be great but not that great. Plus is the Inferno parts fit the SUT, they are plentiful on ebay and you will not have to worry about finding them unlike GS parts which sometimes can be scarce.

marvi

05-12-2005, 08:50 PM

...Interesting information, marvi. I wonder how many other vehicles have stronger steering plates that would work on the Storm/SUT?

my buddy used the steering plate from an inferno MP5 (remember those :o ) and it also fit without any binding. the screw holes are much closer to the stock geometry than the ones on the XB8 plate. also, the MP5 plate has flanged bearings on the swingarm attachment screws.