GS Racing Storm Unlimited Truck

[SUTracer101]

so, if the xray xb8 steering plate works, does the rest of the steering belcranks, bearings etc. work?

[SUTracer101]

any suggestions for better steering? kits, mods anythin. my dad has a hot bodies and mine is soo much faster and kicks the crap out of his on a big track, handles with it everything, but when we get on a small track his has such more nimble steering, its like a 1/10 scale it turns on a dime, i already put a hitec super tourqe servo but i need something more, so help me out

[SUTracer101]

sry i got so many questions imma newb. i was wondering what pipe for the stock GS 28 motor. i was looking at a jammin JP-1, (low-mid) or a jp-2 (mid to high) or is there a better one for that engine, or is the stock the best what ever works but gimme a suggestion pleez

[erikderaaf]

there are three holes in the steering plate, they differ in steering response.
i will try out my new 13kg servo when my new front lower arms come in.
I'm thinking maybe the servo saver is too weak.

[doesgo]

The stock RTR saver IS too weak, definitely. If that's what you're running, get the Pro saver (it's adjustable) or put a plastic washer (or two) under the spring if you keep the RTR setup. That'll stiffen things up nicely. Don't go TOO stiff, of course, else the "saver" part of the servo saver will be defunct.

Also, do you have bearings in your steering posts? If you have an RTR and still have the stock bushings, that can slow down your steering as your servo fights the friction of the bushings.

I've heard good things about the JP-2 but not so much about the JP-1. I don't think the stock GS25 needs more bottom-end power, so I'd go with a mid- to high-range pipe myself. The 086 is good for that, too.

[stonesavage]

Sut racer I don't get your post? are you talkin bout the hot bodies lightning stadium? because on a big track the hb LS should and mine will!! beat a sut!! on a smaller track were good steering is needed the sut shines!! the sut outcorners the LS anyday!

[marvi]

...i used the steering plate from an XB8... ill try it on the track this coming weekend to see if it the truck steers differently :cool:

ran through 6 tanks, countless crashes :eek: and the XB8 plate held up :) The truck steered just the same and there was no binding.

SUTracer101: not sure if other XB8 parts will work, i only tried the steering plate because the stock plate was definitely a weak point. i wish xray had blue parts because the black/machined edge look of the XB8 part clashes with my blue aluminum parts :o

[TheRo0sTer]

So how well does this truck handle? Would it benefit from a longer wheel base and longer arms instead of the axle extenders. Any other weak points other than the one mentioned above?

[RespirologyRC]

Well I turned my buggy into a truggy:) I was surfing around the internet trying to find parts that are compatible with the storm and storm pro; I found that for the shock towers the T-Maxx fit perfectely to the front and rear of the buggy. Just like the storm the T-maxx shock tower uses 4 screws and so does the storm. Also the shocks have no clearance issues:) I'll post pics in a little bit :)

[SUT1]

Had first race this past weekend and only can make 4 minutes before I run oput of fuel :( . So anybody know of a bigger fuel tank that will fit the storm. I see ofna has a 145cc tank anyone try it yet.

[marvi]

the hpi savage tank (160cc) may fit with some custom mounts. im thinking of installing one on my sut - i get 6 to 6.5 minutes from the stock tank. i have a spare savage tank that seems to fit if i put longer standoffs and a couple of new holes on the lower plate. i havent done the mods yet - too lazy :D

[SUTracer101]

i saw in the magazine that GS is coming out with a new version of the SUT (SUT competition edition). does any1 have any idea or think that they will come out with a conversion from the normal RTR, with the chassis, the new hingpin braces, etc., or will i have to buy the whole new car? so does any1 know, or can guess?

[doesgo]

I talked to the GS guys at RCX this past weekend and they said they're "considering" a conversion kit, but it's not a for-sure thing yet.

Tank-wise, I've seen someone who moved his electronics up to where the stock fuel tank is and installed a 150cc MGT tank where the electronics go. I've got an MGT tank on hand but haven't done the conversion. That tank is nice because it's lower than the Savage tank and has four mounting locations, all of which hang below the bottom of the tank (unlike the Savage's mount locations). Should be very secure.

[RespirologyRC]

Have you guys seen the truggy boddies that are coming out from ofna? The are made so that the body is able to cover the side exhaust that other wise sticks out on the storm sut. Very nice!!!!!!

[SUTracer101]

for the ofna body can you post a pic, or tell me where to find a pic?

[RespirologyRC]

http://www.unlimitedengineering.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11641&acon=39


go down the page and you'll see the diffferent ofna buggies and look at the exhaust

[TitansGT4]

what's a good diff. oil setup for this truck? i'm using it for mostly racing on a dirt track and the occasional bash on grass

[thedarkness]

are you running the stock engine? if so I would go with 30,000 in the center 10,000 in front and 7,000 in the rear.This should give a balanced easy to drive truck, you might need to adjust the brake bias alittle more towards the rear.

[TitansGT4]

are you running the stock engine? if so I would go with 30,000 in the center 10,000 in front and 7,000 in the rear.This should give a balanced easy to drive truck, you might need to adjust the brake bias alittle more towards the rear.

yes i'm running the stock engine, and thanks, one more question..is it true that associated diff oil weights are different than say ofna's..like associated 300K really means 30K?

[SUT1]

I have associateds 60k and also have ofnas 50,000 and the associated is just as thick as the ofna stuff.

[thedarkness]

ae. 300k is as thick as it gets. I belive kyosho and ofna go up to 120k.I belive all oils are weighted on the same system but I could be wrong.

[SUT1]

Just wondering what size or color sway bar you guys, girls are using front and rear.

[rgross]

Quick Question:

What glow plugs are you running in the stock motor??? And what kind of plug (cold,medium,hot) would recommend in the stock motor at 80 degrees F with 20% O'Donnell's fuel??


Also, on a side not, I spent the money and got a tomahawk suspension kit...It has really helped the truck jump better, and it is more forgiving in the rough stuff, and smaller jumps (poor landing doesn't equal crash)...I have been racing with all hotbodies and have been able to keep up really well, I even squeaked out a first place in Amain at local track...

Only a few complaints....The rear arms droop screw hole was not taped, so I can't use the screws until I find the correct tap.....The rear turnbuckles that set the camber are too long and I must run +2 degrees camber in the rear with the rod ends on the turnbuckle completely screwed in....The collars that are used to go between the stub axle and bearings were not sized correctly on the inside diameter and the outside diameter requiring me to dremel them quite a bit to make them fit (not sure if I will even be able to get them out if needed)....

Besides these few issues, it has really improved my trucks handling and jumping, and I race on a smaller tight track, so the shorter wheel base of the GS is helpful in swinging the rear end around in turns.

Later,

rgross

[SUT1]

rgross I also have the native kit. The hole needs to be tapped 3mm and you have to drill new holes in the rear shock towers so you can adjust rear camber. I'm also using hot bodies axles for the lsp in the rear of mine then you don't have to run the collars. THIS TRUCK HAS SOME MAJOR SUSPENSION TRAVEL with this kit I love it. :D

[TitansGT4]

can you take off the axle extenders and run storm buggy hubs and use ofna dominator wheels? because i have a set of bowties that are on dom. rims

[illbreakit]

can you take off the axle extenders and run storm buggy hubs and use ofna dominator wheels? because i have a set of bowties that are on dom. rims

Yes you can :D

[rgross]

rgross I also have the native kit. The hole needs to be tapped 3mm and you have to drill new holes in the rear shock towers so you can adjust rear camber. I'm also using hot bodies axles for the lsp in the rear of mine then you don't have to run the collars. THIS TRUCK HAS SOME MAJOR SUSPENSION TRAVEL with this kit I love it. :D


You made me think, and I was able to use the furthest in toward center mounting hole and shave some plastic off the diff housing and rod end (we'll see if it can hold up to the abuse), and now it has about -1 degree camber, which is good enough for me.... I might have to consider the axle stubs and dogbones in the future, thanks for trick/tip...I also think the truck is awesome..

I do find that the power of the motor is destroying the 40 series rims very easily and they go wobbly quickly and then tear out from the center....with the cvd's I used the "Revo" proline 32mm hubs and they work great, I also used a set of wabash wheels and just shaved a small amount out of the inside of the tire and I have great clearance...I love this truck now!!!!! :eek:

This sunday is trophy race day at my local track, and I hope to steal a trophy from those hotbodies guys/gals...

Later

rgross

[TitansGT4]

Yes you can :D

it won't mess up the steering/suspension geometry?

[doesgo]

No, it essentially puts the tire/rim in the same place on the truck, but the offset of the Dominator wheels makes up for the lack of extenders. It's as if the extenders are just part of the wheel.

[TitansGT4]

No, it essentially puts the tire/rim in the same place on the truck, but the offset of the Dominator wheels makes up for the lack of extenders. It's as if the extenders are just part of the wheel.

ohh alright, i ordered a set of hexes off of ebay, that should solve the problem of that long setscrew loosening up and causing the axle pin to fall out, i LOVE this truck, the front tires still balloon even with 10K diff oil, but it handles way better now, and did i mention how much i LOVE this truck?

P.S-can someone get me a link to the pro rear support brace?

[doesgo]

I got my rear support from Stormer Hobbies, but I can't remember the part number off the top of my head. You should be able to find it by searching through the list of parts (with pics) at gsracing.com, too.

You've had your M5x35 set screws loosen up? Weird, with Loctite I've never had one loosen on its own during well over a year of truck ownership.

Regardless, I'm glad you love the truck! :)

[erikderaaf]

well i had the large set screw loosened up once! now i use more locktite en use some shrink-wrap around the hexes, so i'll won't lose the pins anymore

[johannsy]

Anybody has an 23mm wheels attach on SUT pro can anyone tell me how to convert it? :D

[TitansGT4]

should I worry about getting hinge pin braces? I've heard that without them the screws that hold the hinge pin retainers can rip through the chassis, and I've got a pro chassis which cost a lot of money and took a bit of time to install and i don't want it destroyed, so does any one know if i still have to worry about that with the pro chassis?

[doesgo]

A Pro chassis with high-strength screws should do the job quite well, although the braces are relatively cheap insurance.

[stonesavage]

Is anyone else picking up the ce extended chassis and hinge pin kit? the chassis will be around $90us and $35 for the kit you will need longer dogbones ie savage/ofna rear ect..

[DarkstaR1st]

I would go for the hingpin kit... And buy 2 rear hingepins and install them on the outside of diff housings and not on the inside like u supposed to. You will loose the bumpers this way. But, they suck anyway. I've done it like this and i can't seems to break it. No matter how hard i try!!! ;)

I had some mayor crashes. Like, missing the ramp and running into a wall allmost 60 or 70 % of topspeed. And jumping from a 5 meter high drop with a ramp making the drop about 7 or 8 meters. I landed vertically, nose down, nothing broke!!! I was jumping of there all afternoon. NOTHING BROKE!!! :D

That evening o drove it full speed into a tree root pertruding from the ground with one of the wheels... (didn't see the stump :() The right front suspension completely broke off, shocks, swaybars, top wishbone, lowerarm. The chassisplate had nothing.!!!

SO, take it from me... With the hingpins your wheels will do a better job as bumpers then the original ones.

question from me, can you fit the fully captured hingepins from the SUTce on the NOT CE chassis?

DarkstaR

[FrankT]

hello evevryone,,,does the storm sut come in kit form??? if so where can I get it for the best price...
Thanks Frank

[marvi]

Anybody has an 23mm wheels attach on SUT pro can anyone tell me how to convert it? :D

i think proline 23mm truggy conversion axles will fit the SUT. kennethM installed a set on his kanai buggy and used 23mm weld rims. the SUT axles seem to be standard buggy sized so the proline 23mm extenders may fit :)

[stonesavage]

hello evevryone,,,does the storm sut come in kit form??? if so where can I get it for the best price...
Thanks Frank FRANK!The sut pro is the only kit!! I would Pass and get the NEW CE SUT it has most of the pro goodies +THE MUST HAVE captured hinge pin kit AND THE CHASSIS is 1 inch LONGER so it will be way more stable and easier to control!and it comes with a good xtm pro made by (sh engine) and roto start and bowties for the same price as the pro kit!!!as for the CE hinge pin kit fitting the NON CE chassis It will NOT work.

[stonesavage]

i think proline 23mm truggy conversion axles will fit the SUT. kennethM installed a set on his kanai buggy and used 23mm weld rims. the SUT axles seem to be standard buggy sized so the proline 23mm extenders may fit :)I think 23mm is overkill!! I have 17mm(standard buggy hubs)with dominator rims and had a eb mods novarossi 28(3hp) and never stripped a wheel hub!!(ever)+ it take's the stress off the bearings and put's the wheel in the same spot without stupid extenders ;)

[FrankT]

FRANK!The sut pro is the only kit!! I would Pass and get the NEW CE SUT it has most of the pro goodies +THE MUST HAVE captured hinge pin kit AND THE CHASSIS is 1 inch LONGER so it will be way more stable and easier to control!and it comes with a good xtm pro made by (sh engine) and roto start and bowties for the same price as the pro kit!!!as for the CE hinge pin kit fitting the NON CE chassis It will NOT work.

Thanks

[SUT1]

There's a ce sut on e- bay right now for buy it now 525 not to bad.

[stonesavage]

I checked ebay!and there is no ce sut anywere!! how bout a link? and gsracing in the us are still awating there shippment.

[stonesavage]

anyone planning on running a mach/sportwerks 26 in there sut? I have a brand new kit xtm pro backplate/bearing/shaft for sale its a direct fit and allows the engine to sit were it is supposed to be without shims also the hpi roto start fits.

[SUT1]

Sorry man I checked right after I posted and it was gone. I was surprised to see it on there because there not listed for sale yet on the GS racing site. :confused: Was also surprised that the price was only 525 not 6 ++ like the almighty lsp was.

[FrankT]

does anyone know where to get the best prices on a new pro or the standard kit???
Thanks Frank

[TitansGT4]

is the storm pro chassis the same as the SUT pro chassis?

[stonesavage]

horizon hobbies has the NEW ce for $520 it will be in at the end of june and the sut pro kit is $450 but you'll need a engine/pipe/radio/tires(stock suck) Get the CE sut WAAAAY better deal. Titansgt4 The pro chassis is the same used on pro sut/pro buggy! THe new CE chassis is 1 inch longer and has a new kyosho/mugen style hinge pin system.

[SUT1]

horizon hobbies has the NEW ce for $520 it will be in at the end of june and the sut pro kit is $450 but you'll need a engine/pipe/radio/tires(stock suck) Get the CE sut WAAAAY better deal. Titansgt4 The pro chassis is the same used on pro sut/pro buggy! THe new CE chassis is 1 inch longer and has a new kyosho/mugen style hinge pin system.
Do you know if the captured hinge pins off the fironi chassy will work with the extended chassy. Looking at the pictures they look close :confused:

[raptorridr660r]

I might be getting a storm plus buggy in a trade and I was just wondering a few things about converting it to an SUT. I found this kit on horizon, part # GSC2007, and I was wondering if that is the short chassis like the original sut or if its like the newer longet truck? If I do it I would like to make it competitive against trucks like the Lightning stadiums. I have no storm expiriance so any help would be great! Are there any other kits out there to make it a truggy?

[stonesavage]

It is the short chassis! the CE chassis will be for sale at the end of the month! To make your storm the best! get the standard sut to buggy kit non pro! then buy the extended chassis and hinge pin kit and you will have a killer truggy. another way would be buy some ofna mt rims dom/blazer and a gs 54 spur and front and rear sut towers and you'll have a truggy ad the ce chassis and you'll be set.

[SUTracer101]

are they going to make a convertion for the rtr to the CE truck? with the extended chassis and hingpins etc?

[raptorridr660r]

It is the short chassis! the CE chassis will be for sale at the end of the month! To make your storm the best! get the standard sut to buggy kit non pro! then buy the extended chassis and hinge pin kit and you will have a killer truggy. another way would be buy some ofna mt rims dom/blazer and a gs 54 spur and front and rear sut towers and you'll have a truggy ad the ce chassis and you'll be set.

"To make your storm the best! get the standard sut to buggy kit non pro!"
Do you mean get the buggy to sut kit??? I might be getting the buggy, so I think you meant the other way around? Can I get a link to the kit also, that one I posted was all I found so far. I definatley want the CE extended chassis!!!

[TitansGT4]

well I got kind of obsessed with upgrading my storm, and now it's up to full pro spec with the exception of the shock towers, and it has all high torque servos and an FM radio, and a CF steering plate (i hope it doesn't crack) it's light as hell now

[stonesavage]

"To make your storm the best! get the standard sut to buggy kit non pro!"
Do you mean get the buggy to sut kit??? I might be getting the buggy, so I think you meant the other way around? Can I get a link to the kit also, that one I posted was all I found so far. I definatley want the CE extended chassis!!!- If your getting a gs buggy then I would just go to horizon hobbys web and order the sut pro towers $40 and a 54th spur $18 body posts $8 and a set of ofna dom rims $17 and proline race tread and you'll have an sut at 1/2 the cost! then add the ce chassis and you'll have a truggy that wiil be competive with the jammin/mugen/lsp.p.s The kit is overpriced and you'll be paying for stuff that you will not need like another buggy chassis/silly extenders/crappy tires/weak rims you get the point ;)

[ApriliaRacer]

I have to agree. I bought a used SUT then bought the "Pro" conversion. Truely a waste of money. Very few parts were really used such as the spur gear, CF parts and that was really it.

To top it all off, its not even a true "Pro", they don't include ALL the parts to make it a pro. It doesn't include things such as the front brace in CF....



- If your getting a gs buggy then I would just go to horizon hobbys web and order the sut pro towers $40 and a 54th spur $18 body posts $8 and a set of ofna dom rims $17 and proline race tread and you'll have an sut at 1/2 the cost! then add the ce chassis and you'll have a truggy that wiil be competive with the jammin/mugen/lsp.p.s The kit is overpriced and you'll be paying for stuff that you will not need like another buggy chassis/silly extenders/crappy tires/weak rims you get the point ;)

[TitansGT4]

well i ordered a bunch of stuff today, i ordered the graphite center gearbox brace, the graphite radio tray, aluminum radio tray posts, a hitec 645 steering servo, and proline velocity wheels (hopefully they won't strip out) to go with my TRC paqman tires

also..how are the high performance shocks? I heard the stockers fail easily and was wondering if those were any better..i almost wish i bought a lightning stadium pro it wouldn't have cost me as much in upgrades haha

[ApriliaRacer]

I had an HB LSP. I didn't think it was much better if at all than the SUT. I wound up selling the HB LSP and keeping the SUT.

The aluminum arms caused problems in other areas. Rather than the arms breaking on a hard/bad landing you broke the front diff case. Much more time consuming to replace.

Also spare parts were hard to come by. You had to really search the net when you needed to buy spares.

well i ordered a bunch of stuff today, i ordered the graphite center gearbox brace, the graphite radio tray, aluminum radio tray posts, a hitec 645 steering servo, and proline velocity wheels (hopefully they won't strip out) to go with my TRC paqman tires

also..how are the high performance shocks? I heard the stockers fail easily and was wondering if those were any better..i almost wish i bought a lightning stadium pro it wouldn't have cost me as much in upgrades haha

[doesgo]

I don't have much wheel time behind my LSP either, but so far I like the SUT better as well. The LSP is more expensive to start out, it's quite flexible, and is prone to breaking shock rod ends and the front hinge pin brace. Those few problems are rather minor, but the SUT's problems aren't all that significant either, and you get a MUCH better engine with the SUT than with the LSP!

[johannsy]

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Finally I install my 23mm wheels!!!! :p :p

[doesgo]

Very nice! What body is that?

[johannsy]

Sierra GMC by proline

[stonesavage]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to clean!!! TIME TO GET IT DIRTY!!lol

[rgross]

I don't have much wheel time behind my LSP either, but so far I like the SUT better as well. The LSP is more expensive to start out, it's quite flexible, and is prone to breaking shock rod ends and the front hinge pin brace. Those few problems are rather minor, but the SUT's problems aren't all that significant either, and you get a MUCH better engine with the SUT than with the LSP!

Hey Doesgo,

I LOVE my SUT, I have really modified it and I am now finishing consistently in the top 3 of 1 to 2 heats of unlimited monster truck at my local track, where everyone runs the LSP. The track is a tight bumpy track, and I can out turn everyone with my setup:

tomahawk kit
modified rear upper link for -1.5 degrees of camber
setup diffs and toe blocks as per gs racing setup
55wt front and 45wt rear shocks
front toe out 1.5 degrees
13tooth clutch bell
stock spur
1.0 mugen springs with mugen aluminum shoes
os vzb v-specT
proline 40series bowties with spinner lugs
rear ergal knuckles
Pro shock towers
pro chasis braces
center front/rear cvds
pro radio tray
pro servo saver and steering plate
pro hinge pin brace
slapmafro screws and stickers (the stickers make it faster ;) )
Hitec digital servos
spektrum


I am really loving this truck, it soaks up the bumps and tears up the track

Later guys

rgross

[stonesavage]

will need a pic to confirm your story! wink

[SUT1]

Here's some racing photos of my GS STORM with tomahawk kit.Or maybe just one is there any way to down load more than one photo at a time THANKS.

[doesgo]

Glad to hear you're loving your truck and doing so well on the track, rgross! Fantastic. Must be the stickers. :)

[FrankT]

would this be a good back yard runner ,I had other monster trucks but I would like something that also handle good..I like the truggy idea...so if so who has good prices on GS,I've been checking out e-bay..
Thanks for the help Frank :)

[TitansGT4]

it seems like my servo saver spring lost tension, because the bellcranks separate like they would in a crash if the servo saver was operating, but would replacing the spring solve the problem? Also, i tried the adjustable servo saver and didnt' like it, it was incredibly hard to thread on

[doesgo]

I just inserted a thick plastic washer under the spring to stiffen it up to prevent what you describe. It's worked great! The servo can do its job, but the saver also does its job when needed (about twice last season). I think my washer is about 1/8" or 3/16" thick, I got it from a hardware store. Did the same thing with similar success on my GS Storm buggy.

[doesgo]

Frank, the GS Storm has a few minor flaws like any vehicle, but they're easily overcome and the result is a very tough, agile buggy that's a blast to drive compared to a monster truck. Faster, more agile, and very precise. I raced mine all last summer with a lot of success at the club level, it was incredibly consistent and reliable all year. My track closed down now, but I've been bashing it really hard this year (see the end of the second trailer for "Fighting Gravity" at www.slapmafro.com to see how hard :) ) and it's held up amazingly well!

Can't help you out on the best place to get one though, I haven't done any looking around lately.

[TitansGT4]

I just inserted a thick plastic washer under the spring to stiffen it up to prevent what you describe. It's worked great! The servo can do its job, but the saver also does its job when needed (about twice last season). I think my washer is about 1/8" or 3/16" thick, I got it from a hardware store. Did the same thing with similar success on my GS Storm buggy.

YOU'RE A GENIUS

[doesgo]

LOL!

[FrankT]

Frank, the GS Storm has a few minor flaws like any vehicle, but they're easily overcome and the result is a very tough, agile buggy that's a blast to drive compared to a monster truck. Faster, more agile, and very precise. I raced mine all last summer with a lot of success at the club level, it was incredibly consistent and reliable all year. My track closed down now, but I've been bashing it really hard this year (see the end of the second trailer for "Fighting Gravity" at www.slapmafro.com to see how hard :) ) and it's held up amazingly well!

Can't help you out on the best place to get one though, I haven't done any looking around lately.

Thanks

[TitansGT4]

ok now that it runs, to complete my stock class project, i just need a new exhaust pipe. I'm tryin to decide between the Jammin jp-1 and the jp-2, i know low end is what people usually want for buggies/truggies, but since it's got so much torque already could the midrange/top end pipe make it a little bit smoother and even out the powerband?

[SUT1]

Anybody get to drive or have you seen the CE SUT run yet and how was it good bad or other.

[FrankT]

Hello everyone, I just bought a new sut RTR and got a question. I bought a used pro steering set up for it and was wondering how to properly adjust the servo saver...also who makes a good screw kit?
Thanks Frank

[thedarkness]

www.smfstore.com Doesgo may also reply to this soon but he has great screws for good prices.

[doesgo]

Thanks thedarkness!

Yes, we've got a 234-piece SUT hardware kit that replaces virtually every screw on the truck with high-strength, hex-drive, alloy steel screws and includes grub screws and locknuts, too. No picture on the site yet, but we do have them in stock. Here's the direct link: http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_27&products_id=73

We've also temporarily dropped the price to $21.99 plus shipping!

[FrankT]

Thanks thedarkness!

Yes, we've got a 234-piece SUT hardware kit that replaces virtually every screw on the truck with high-strength, hex-drive, alloy steel screws and includes grub screws and locknuts, too. No picture on the site yet, but we do have them in stock. Here's the direct link: http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_27&products_id=73

We've also temporarily dropped the price to $21.99 plus shipping!
Thanks

[t9dragon]

Thinking about selling my SUT for $275.00 shipped. Just checking to see if any body is interested in it!

[TitansGT4]

i'm so happy, I've finally finished my project SUT racer, it's totally decked out pics coming soon

[doesgo]

Congrats, TitansGT4! Can't wait to see it.

[rgross]

Hello Fella's,

I have really been enjoying my hopped up SUT!!!!! I have attached some pics, but I have recently also added a OS V-Spec....A few posts back, I listed all the upgrades....

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http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/1927/10006893fy.jpg

[rgross]

Sorry about the size of pics, I thought they would be thumbnails and you would have to click to enlarge????

[t9dragon]

What arms are you using?

[thedarkness]

Those look like tha native racing arms.How is the Vspec in the SUT I was thinking about pulling mine from my revo and sticking it in the SUT.
How are the native arms? I was thinking about getting them or the c.e chassis and required parts to turn my pro into a C.E.

[rgross]

The Truck is extremely fast witht he v-spec...But I keep the suspension very soft to decrease the wheelie....

The Native arms are AWESOME...The truck handles much better. jumps great and can really handle the very rough and rutted track that I run at. I was thinking about he ce chassis, but my track is very small and tight, and the shorter wheelbase gives me the advantage over the lsp's in the corners...and the wide arms with soft suspension really smooth out the bumps...

[RespirologyRC]

So those are native racing arms; are they longer than the regular arms? If so what CVD's are you running?

Also I just turned my storm into a SUT and experiencing a lot of push through my tight track. What can be done about this? i run F 5000, Center 7000, R 3000 Diff oils

[doesgo]

Looks awesome, rgross! Especially the Native arms and SlapMaFro! stickers! Now you just need a full SMF screw kit to replace all those Phillips heads. :) Seriously though, I'm glad you're enjoying it so much! I was just watching some race footage from last year and man do I miss racing my SUT! What a blast that was.

Respiro, I'm sure others with more experience will have additional advice, but I'd consider running thinner front oil and thicker rear oil. What shock springs are you running?

[RespirologyRC]

I'm running black springs in the rear and red t-maxx springs in the front (shock oil is 40wt all around).

[TitansGT4]

should i use the Jammin JP-1 or JP-2 pipe (in other words, do I want a low-end pipe, or top end pipe?) It's a torquey motor, so would a top end pipe even out the powerband better?

[doesgo]

I've read and been told by several people that the JP-1 pipe is no good, definitely try the JP-2 instead. I've got an O.S. .21RG which is a relatively low-end motor and I put a high-end pipe on it (RB 086) and WOW, what a difference! I'd definitely go that route, Titans.

Respiro....I really don't know what to suggest for springs and shock oil. However, I was just reading about someone with a major push problem with his Storm buggy and he dropped the front diff oil from 5000 to 3000 (no change in the center or rear) and he said it helped tremendously. I think a similar change in a truggy would have a similar effect.

[RespirologyRC]

Doesgo I'll try that out tomorrow since I'm heading to the track. I'll let you know how it works out:)

[Skribble]

Rgross .. You have a weight for your truck yet?

I've been eyeing truggies for a while, and the one manufacture my LHS supports somewhat is GS Racing .. So it would make sense to go with the SUT.

And is it possible to put a small block in the SUT? The OS .18 TZ/TM specifically. I heard one of the pro drivers threw in a .15 and ran in the production class a while back.

I have a Revo right now .. Problem is, my track doesn't allow truggies so I'd have to drive about 1 hour and 30 minutes away to another one .. Just want to see what the Truggy craze is all about ..

And rgross, there's a program on downloads.com (cnet) called IrfanView and it's good for resizing pictures. Doesn't make the picture quality crappy when you resize them (Even from smaller to bigger, to a degree).

And doesgo, which SMF video has your SUT? (saw from a previous post that your truck was in one of the vids)

[doesgo]

I agree, IrfanView is a nice product!

Which video has my SUT? I'm pretty sure it's in all our racing vids from last summer (Rabid, Storm, Heat, Chaser, Blowout), it's in Backwoods Bash (speeding through the woods, trying to climb the sand hill, and doing the triple backflip near the end), it's in Farm Bash 6, and I think it's in Farm Bash 7. Most of the time it's powered by an O.S. .21RG (except in FB6 where it has the stock GS R25MT) and has an orange '50s truck body on it. In some of Backwoods Bash it's got the stock red body.

[Skribble]

Thanks.

[rgross]

Skribble,

I do not have a wieght on the truck yet, I guess I could just use the bathroom scale, but it is digital and will round to nearest pound.....

I have changed out the 40 series tires and rims for the offset t-maxx rims with med-soft panther boas with green inserts, much faster excelleration and turns much better in the tight stuff as well....

I broke down and I am ordering all the ce replacement parts to upgrade the front & rear hingepin system, extended chassis, chassis braces, extended rear center drive shaft and a few more parts, about $200 with shipping, NOT horrible...

It should be together in about 2-3 weeks and will let you know how it looks and how it runs....

I am not sure if a small block fits with the stock mounts...I think there is a fioroni universal/adjustable mount (can't remember part #) that allowed the small block to fit...

FYI, amainhobbies.com has a very fast ordering and turnaround time for GS parts, you just need to call in and order the parts....I ordered the parts on tues, and they are in shop today (friday) and will be in NJ from CA by tues or wedn for only usps prices....

Rgross

[doesgo]

Where'd you order the CE conversion, rgross? Or did you just order all the individual parts separately?

I don't see GS Racing on the amainhobbies.com site, am I missing something?

[Skribble]

Hm .. I'm running offset 40 Series Bow Ties on my Revo, and I just bought a set of 23MM Velocity Dish rims with Crime Fighters. I used the stock foams though because I didn't want to wait for Panther molded foams to come in, lol. Looks like a smaller wheel combo helped a lot for you, hopefully they do the same. If not, I'm probably going to go with your Wabash setup, but cut the rims a bit for a tad more sidewall on the tires.

How much more power does the V-Spec have over the stock engine?

And are these the engine mounts? http://www.gsracing.com/web/page.asp?pgs=product&catid=31&id=87

And if I did break down and bought a CE, are there any necessary upgrades?

[rgross]

Where'd you order the CE conversion, rgross? Or did you just order all the individual parts separately?

I don't see GS Racing on the amainhobbies.com site, am I missing something?


Hey Doesgo,

They are not listed on the site, but I have been ordering lots of hard to find and new releases from them before other shops have them....If you need GS parts, you should just call and speak to Kelly O'neil, she has been really helpful...She can get your parts ordered quickly...

They don't have a conversion kit...I made my own with indiv. parts:

GS-UTC01 Chassis
GS-UTC02 Front chassis brace
GS-UTC03 Rear Chassis Brace
GS-UTC05 Front Lower susp. Plate
GS-UTC06 Front lower Susp. Mount
GS-UTC07 3 Degree antisquat mount
GS-UTC08 Rear Aluminum Suspension Mount
GS-UTC09 Hinge Pins(2) (QTY 2)
GS-UTC10 Front Drive Shaft (Center)
GS-UTC11 Rear Drive SHaft (Center)


When I do the assembly, if I am missing anything I will let you know what else I needed to complete the conversion....

[rgross]

Hm .. I'm running offset 40 Series Bow Ties on my Revo, and I just bought a set of 23MM Velocity Dish rims with Crime Fighters. I used the stock foams though because I didn't want to wait for Panther molded foams to come in, lol. Looks like a smaller wheel combo helped a lot for you, hopefully they do the same. If not, I'm probably going to go with your Wabash setup, but cut the rims a bit for a tad more sidewall on the tires.

How much more power does the V-Spec have over the stock engine?

And are these the engine mounts? http://www.gsracing.com/web/page.asp?pgs=product&catid=31&id=87

And if I did break down and bought a CE, are there any necessary upgrades?

With the revo, I am running the smaller t-maxx proline dish wheels with the offset, but don't like them becuase I loose some turning...I have standard offset coming in and that should be perfect for the revo, but I do like the 1/2" offset with the GS using the native kit... I really like the panther boa tires as they improve forward bite and side bite, they improve excelleration, and decrease wheel flex....On my GS, I have the shock shaft as a hinge pin for the hub carriers and at larger tracks, when I land off big jumps the 40 series rims bend so severly that the shock shaft punctures the rim and spins me out as the tire locks up....

The V-Spec has ALOT more torque than the stock motor, but my motor was getting older and probably needed a rebuild, so compared to that, the V-Spec really helped me easily clear the larger jumps that had very small straights to build up the speed for...

Those engine mounts look really familiar, and probably are them, if anyone else knows FOR SURE, please speak up and help out...

The main upgrade that I would suggest would be the tomahawk kit...amainhobbies had them for $229, but just put them on backorder, although you can get them directly from Jim at http://www.nativeracinginc.com/nri_011.htm

HTH :)

Rgross

[doesgo]

Thanks for the info! Is the CE steering plate the same as the regular Pro plate?

Wow, you got a smokin' deal on that stuff, suggested retail is pushing $400 on that, isn't it? I know nobody pays full retail, but still...

[Skribble]

Thanks rgross. How do you like your SUT compared to the Revo? And where can you get the p/s for the SUT?

[thedarkness]

Ive been looking for the Ce upgrades as well, I found them on horizon but it says an october release for the chassis and hing pin braces.Just found out I own what was once stones SUT.

[FrankT]

anyone need a stock pipe, I have a brand new from my sut also have from previous savage new air cleaner...
Frank

[marvi]

anyone here use a 1/8 buggy wing? im thinking of installing one on my SUT.

1. how does it affect handling? will the truck understeer because of the added rear downforce?
2. what about jumping? will it be rear end heavy?
3. is it durable? when i crash after a bad jump, the truck usually flips end to end. since the wing will be out there, instead of the bumpers, it will take most of the hits. also, since it is mounted on the rear shock tower, will it stress the shock tower mounts?
4. can you guys post pics of your SUT's with wings? i want to see how i can trim the rear part of the body to clear the wing & mounts.

thanks in advance for any info :)

[thedarkness]

you will have to drill 2 extra holes in the shock tower.I havn't put my wing on mine yet but I assume I will need to cut out most of the rear of the body as with my revo.

[marvi]

you will have to drill 2 extra holes in the shock tower...

thanks for the info :) what if i use GS storm buggy wing mounts? is it a direct fit on the stock SUT shock tower? or do i still need to drill holes?

[thedarkness]

you still have to drill the holes the buggy tower has six holes where the chassis brace connects while the SUT towers only have 4.

[SUT1]

I use the XTM wing mount I found to much stronger than the GS STORM mounts.You just have to cut off two tabs and it bolt's right on no drilling required just longer screws. Here's a picture of a wing on STORM SUT. :D Sorry about the blurry picture had to down size picture to work and made it look like s#%t. :(

[marvi]

thanks for the replies :) i will get a hobao (ofna hyper 7) wing this coming week. i was supposed to get a kyosho 777 wing but its twice as expensive. unfortunately, our lhs has no wing mounts on stock, so ill just have to wait :(

[FrankT]

hello everyone, I was out today doing my break in on my new sut, when I gave it a coulple squirts of throttle and it would struggle (won't barley move) I lifted the truck in the air and blipped the throttle and all good??? all I did to the truck from stock was install basic set up sheet fluids in the diffs and shocks,installed ss screws on chassis so far..when I roll the truck on the ground when off the clutch bell rolled freely and brakes did'nt feel like they were dragging....
Thanks Frank

[thedarkness]

judging by the amount of oil on your rear tire your running to rich, lean it out a tad.

[FrankT]

thanks

[thedarkness]

BTW nice pipe, let me know how it goes.

[FrankT]

BTW nice pipe, let me know how it goes.

Thanks, hope to finish breaking it in tomorrow...it's so HOT here in Pa.
Frank :D

[FrankT]

hello everyone, got a couple more break in tanks today...and have quick question..what is a good normal operating temp..the book says 200-250 ?? and what is the best place to take it..(glow plug).???
Thanks Frank

[doesgo]

Yeah, take it at the glow plug and 220-230 is ideal most of the time, but temps vary depending on air temp, humidity, elevation, etc., so you could be in the perfect tune and have it running 250 and it'll be fine, which is why they give a large acceptable temp range.

[FrankT]

Yeah, take it at the glow plug and 220-230 is ideal most of the time, but temps vary depending on air temp, humidity, elevation, etc., so you could be in the perfect tune and have it running 250 and it'll be fine, which is why they give a large acceptable temp range.

thanks...that's were I took the reading, but also took one at header pipe comige out of engine and it was hotter...is that normal...
Thanks frank

[thedarkness]

yes because the exahust gasses are at around 500-800 degrees depending on tune.

[FrankT]

yes because the exahust gasses are at around 500-800 degrees depending on tune.
Thanks

[RespirologyRC]

http://www.gsracing.com/gsracing/teamgs/SUT%20team%20building.htm here is some interesting reading from GS, on how to set your truck up for racing. I now know what to do with all my all shock shafts :D

[rckid11]

Hi. I am planning on getting a SUT CE edition. Just had some questions about it.

1. Does it include instructions on how to break in the motor and how are the instructions all-together?

2. Is the included motor high quality? Is there anything I should know about it (ie. hard to tune, ect..).

3. What kind of glow plug should I buy for it?

4. Would Trinity Monster Brew fuel work well in it?

Sorry about the questions, but the info at GS's site doesn't really tell you much. Thanks :) .

[rckid11]

Anyone?

[thedarkness]

All the info you asked for is in this thread but the truck comes with a good engine, and it includes breakin instructions,Use a medium heat(MC-9) plug, yes that fuel will work well.

[rckid11]

Thanks alot. I am sorry about asking, but 22 pages is alot to sift though. I did read a good amount of it. Anyways thanks for the help.

[doesgo]

Don't hesitate to ask questions, but sometimes it takes a little while to get an answer.

[t9dragon]

Doesgo, does the screw kit you sell for the Storm buggy include the motor mount screws?

[doesgo]

Yes it does, t9dragon! http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_28&products_id=128

[t9dragon]

Have any of you guys ran the Avenger, yet? How does it hold up and what motor are you guys using in it?

[marvi]

anyone here tried an hpi savage tank on their SUT's? i just installed mine using a couple of fabricated mounts but havent tried it on the track yet.

did any of you encounter problems in fuel delivery? fuel foaming? different handling characteristics because of the added weight of more fuel (and slightly different position of the tank)? thanks in advance for any info :)

[gotspeed_2000]

A local racer uses the savage tank in his SUT. He had to make a custom front mount, but it works well and he's one of the faster racers in a non-lightning at our track. I don't think he's run into problems and he's been using it for some time now.

[doesgo]

To each his own and all, but it seems like if you're going for additional capacity over stock, it'd be much easier to adapt the 150cc MGT tank since it's got a nice, flat mounting system.

Or is the Savage tank used specifically because of its uneven bottom for fitment issues?

[marvi]

thanks for the info :) good to know that there are no problems with the conversion

i was planning to use the MGT tank but i didnt want to drill additional holes on the chassis (i think the MGT bolts on from the bottom :confused: ) im also unsure if the tank will fit in between the center driveshafts and tuned pipe.

luckily, i had a savage tank lying around ;) the shape of the bottom fit around the pipe perfectly

if ill have the chance to test fit the MGT tank, ill surely try it because it seems much easier to fit, once i decide to drill additional holes on the chassis and check for clearance.

thanks again for the info :)

[doesgo]

The MGT tank does bolt up through the bottom which is what appeals to me, the simple mounting method (drilling holes doesn't bother me). Actually I don't think the MGT tank will fit in the stock tank location, though. I've had an MGT tank on hand for several months with the intention of installing it on my SUT, but I just haven't found the time to make it happen. The one conversion I've seen had the battery/receiver installed where the stock tank is mounted and the MGT tank was mounted where the stock electronics go.

Unfortunately my local track closed down so the need for additional fuel capacity has waned, so I never got around to doing the project.

Got any pics of the Savage tank installed?

[SUT1]

Ofna's violator 145cc tank fits in the stock location but you have to drill two new holes.

[marvi]

for the rear mount, i used an L-shaped metal plate (about 2" x 2" - found it in the hardware store), cut to size, drilled a couple of holes, and dremeled the corners. the front mount was easier, just a heavy duty hitec servo horn :) i installed o-rings on the screws for a bit of shock absorption. ill see if it holds this weekend when i join our local race :) im bringing the stock tank and mounts just in case :eek:

[marvi]

another pic

SUT1: unfortunately, our lhs doesnt stock violator parts

[doesgo]

Looks good, Marvi! Let us know how well it works.

As for the Violator tank, there's some debate as to its actual capacity. Some have spec'd it and found it to be only around 130-135cc.

[SUT1]

I also heard about the tank not being up to size, but in my case it give me an xtra minute plus of run time just what I needed to finish heat races without running out. :D

[marvi]

im very happy to post that the savage tank held up well in our race this afternoon :) during practice, i ran for more than 10 minutes (the stock tank gave me about 6+ minutes. ) i ran about 3 practice runs. the race was 4 heats and i won the truggy class :) i had countless crashes and hard landings but there were no problems with the tank and mounting.

even though my fabricated mounts work fine, im thinking of replacing the mounts with scrap carbon fiber sheets (if i find some :o ) for some bling :D

[RCDadChicago]

Hi all, I've only had my SUT a short while, with the weather as cold as it is now all I've done is start the engine up. It has a HPI .21bb engine. I did manage to get a body painted for it;

http://dadstoy.uwsag.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/normal_11-24-05a%20002.jpg

I'm waiting for a set of Big Joe's to arrive then I'll put Dirt Bonez on the SUT.

[doesgo]

Looks great, RCDad!

[nogo]

Hello all i am a new owner of a GS SUT. I have been reading this thread for a while and it has helped me in the desicion of purchasing my SUT. Doesgo you are from MN right? I have been to fisk hobby farm before they got shut down, btw i love the videos.

[doesgo]

nogo, my reverse namesake! :) Yeah, I'm in MN and have been to FHF many times, probably saw you there! I ran my SUT in the Unlimited class in the 2004 Summer Series (along with my Storm in Buggy Sportsman and RC10GT in Gas Truck Sportsman), what'd you run?

Welcome to SUT ownership, hope you like it! I've sure had a lot of fun with mine racing and bashing.

Hey, let me know if you need any parts, I've got quite a few on hand.

Glad you like the videos, hope to see you at FHF next summer!

[nogo]

I never raced, i just went to watch. I am not that good of a driver. This is my second nitro and so far i love it. Are there races at fisk anymore, i thought it got closed down for good? If you can still drive there i will gladly come. I do have a few questions though about my SUT. I want to get some kind of roto start, do you know where or what kinds i can get? Also how do you mount the 23 hexes with 40 series wheels on the SUT?

[doesgo]

There weren't any official races at Fisk this year, the neighbors managed to shut him down. :( He put on a big event at the Isanti County Fairgrounds last Labor Day Weekend called the R/C X Games, however. Monster track, huge air, great competition, jumping contests, Powderpuff race, etc. He's doing it again next year, so watch www.fhfracing.com for details. Hopefully he'll be able to get a few more events in during the summer at various north-metro locations. That stuff will be on the website, too.

The RotoStart backplate for the XTM 24.7 bolts right onto the GS R25MT engine. You can get that from OFNA (www.onfa.com). I'd recommend a starter box instead, but to each their own.

As for the 23mm hexes....I'm not sure! Pro-Line's 23mm hexes are made for the "regular" monster trucks, I haven't seen any out there for buggies and truggies.

[nogo]

Cool, thanks for the link. Yeah i knew that prolines 23mm hexes where for other montser trucks but i have seen pics of people having proline 40 series wheels and tires on there gs sut's and just want to know how they are doing it. Anyone else know?

[doesgo]

Now that I think about it, the SUT (and some other truggies) have regular 14mm hexes. Don't the Pro-Line adapters just fit over the existing 14mm hexes on these other monster trucks? Seems like if they do, they should work on truggies as well.

[RespirologyRC]

Doesgo, I'm having some issues with my buggy maybe you can help:

My track is tight width wise all over; maybe 2.5 buggies can fit side-by-side while racing. When I get to the turns, my buggy has a big push- almost as though it turns really wide, what do you recommend? I'm currently running the pro buggy with all the stock stuff (including oils and fluids).

Thanks

[doesgo]

I'm no expert, but based on what I've read you might want to put some thinner diff lube in the front and/or thicker out back. That should give you a little less push and help bring the back end around. Do you know what's in it now? Most people tend to use 3K/5K/1K in the front/center/rear as a starting point, but what works depends on track material and condition, tires, the power you've got on hand, and driving style. I'm sure some spring or shock oil changes might help too, but I don't know which way to go with those to achieve what you're after.

[marvi]

i think proline makes blue aluminum 23mm hex extensions for the SUT & other truggies. you just remove the stock 14mm extensions & install the proline 23mm extensions, they are the same length but the hex is different. you still have to use offset 23mm rims such as the proline cheyenne to achieve the stock width.

[nogo]

Thanks Marvi, are you sure that these will work with the SUT? Will the standard white 40 series wheels work, or do they not have enough offset?

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKSA9&P=7

[t9dragon]

If you remove the hub extensions you can use the Ofna Blazer/Dominator wheels (Part#: 81155) with Panther LP Komodo Dragons mounted on them. That is what I use on my EB-4 buggy. Here is a link to the wheels http://www.ofna.com/tires-monster.html#pirate

[nogo]

Thanks t9dragon but i really want to be able to use the 40 series tires. Doesgo i bought the gs sut screw set off of slapmafro.com and these screws rock, much better than the stock ones.

[doesgo]

Thanks nogo, glad you like the hardware kit!

[nogo]

Well i am having some issues getting the r25mt motor to run well, seems to want to die as soon as i try and give it gas. And i can't get it to idle well either. Does anyone know what my other motor choices are? I used to have a O.S. .18tm in my old revo and i really liked that. Are there any O.S. or Team Orion motors that will work well in the SUT?

[doesgo]

Sorry to hear that about the R25MT, I liked mine a lot, had good success with it.

As for a replacement, pretty much any big-block with an SG crank will work fine. The O.S. .21RG is a very reliable engine that really holds a tune well and lasts a long time if you treat it right (which is probably true of virtually any engine) and it only costs around $120. The power level is down compared to the R25MT, however. If you want more power, you could step up to the Non-Pull Picco .27 (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=32_45&products_id=490) for $150 or the Pullstart Picco .27 (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=32_45&products_id=225) for $160. For more displacement, the HPI 4.6 (.28) (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=32_45&products_id=223) is a good contender for the price ($170). Other good options range from the Dynamite Mach 26 at around $130 to the NovaRossi Top .28 at about $310, with many options in between from O.S., RB, Vega, Collari, and everyone else.

The Team Orion .26 is good (made by Picco, the predecessor to the Picco .27), but stay away from the Orion .28, many people are having lots of problems with those.

[nogo]

Well i brought my r25mt to my lhs and had the guy look at it. The engine itself looks or so i was told. I'm thinking that it must be something i'm doing wrong. I have also thought that my gas tank might be leaking air or something. I have noticed that when i get the motor started that i sometimes get bubbles in the tank. starting it is not too hard, it just does not seem to want to stay idling at all, not even for a second. Also when the motor is running it seems to bog some when i try and give it gas. Does this sound like an air leak problem or am i way off?

[doesgo]

Bubbles in the line is a bad thing, no question about it. I'd replace the line first (most likely culprit), then the tank. If that doesn't cure the problem, I'd consider a new glow plug and/or leaning out the low end needle a little bit.

[nogo]

Well the glow plugs are new, and i did replace all of the fuel line, and i have replaced the air filter and fuel filter too. The bubbles are actually in the tank itself. I looked at the tank seal to see if it looked wore out or broken and to me all looks good. I have tried to lean out the lsn a little but then i can't get the motor started at all.

[nogo]

Well i replaced my fuel tank, btw the Sportwerks Mayhem tanks fits perfectly in the Sut. The new tank seemed to help a little. If i let the engine idle for a few seconds and then give it gas the engine stutters or dies, am i running too rich or too lean?

[t9dragon]

Have you replaced the glow plug?

[nogo]

Yeah i have replaced the glow plug. I am using an o.s. a3 right now, which i think is a medium temp plug. Should i be using a different plug?

[nogo]

Well i switched the o.s. A5 which is a colder plug and the idling seems a little better. In our cold minnesota weather the temp on the engine does not seem to get above 110 degrees. I do have the engine at the factory settings so its probably running a little rich. One problem i am still having is when i try and give it some gas it just dies or hesitates a lot like it wants to quit, any ideas?

[nogo]

I decided to give up on the r25mt engine and went with a .21 picco and i am loving it, runs great. Does anyone know of any threaded shocks that fit the sut?

[TucsonRevo]

hi. i just got an sut recently and i love this truck!!! i was wondering what kind of upgrades i can do and should do asap??? i already bent one shock shaft and broke an a-arm. :o are the pro shocks a good upgrade??

[nogo]

Hey has anyone seen these or own/used one before. It seems kind of cool and not a lot of green.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6022537931&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

[2mcgrath]

what weight shock oil and stuff is everyone running in their sut..im looking to race mine

[nogo]

I use 50wt in all four on my sut, i'm also using the stock shocks and black springs.

[SIRMAXX]

After reading through all 37 pages, I noticed nobody had any issues with the differentials. How do the rings hold up to big power? Any other make diff fit in the SUT (ex: ofna torsen, 8 spider, etc)?

Thinking of selling my LST for an SUT. Any help would be appreciated.

[doesgo]

I've been racing and beating on my SUT and Storm buggy for two years, never had a problem with any of the diffs, ever.

[SIRMAXX]

Thanks Doesgo.

Anyone know where I can get the GS Racing Unlimited Storm SUT Pro in kit form at a good price?

[nogo]

What are some good pro-line bodies that fit the GS Sut?

[t9dragon]

I beleive the ones made for the Losi LST and Associated MGT will work. I used one from Parma for 1/8 trucks.

[TNN]

Hey guys i have the SUTce.I was wondering if any one has had a problem with bending the rear shocktower.And i just got the pro shocks for my SUTce.They are supposed to be teflon coated.I will be racing the truck in a couple of weeks.My previuos truck was the MGT.

[TNN]

I also bought a Proline body made for the T-maxx.The body fits but it would be better fit if it were wider at the bottom to fit over the chassi.

[SUT1]

I've tried the pro line crowd pleaser body from a jammin crt and it looks like it will fit with some minor mods and it also covers the pipe. :D

[cenracer1]

I've bent mine pretty much every time I run hard.... It doesn't like to land rear first... I have a xtm 247 pro in it and it will also bend when it wheelies too high... I will probably switch to the Fioroni option parts and see what happens. fun truck however and great handling... I believe the xtm engine and the gs r25 engine are almost the same.. they seem to share alot of similar parts

[TNN]

I put two rear shock towers together on my truck to try.To do it I had to use longer screws.I also have the Pro shocks on my truck and they are a little smaller around at the top.I think the stock shocks would work to but I would have to trim away some of the rear shock tower.Im hopeing instead of bending the tower the body mounts will bend or break.There easier to replace to. :)

[cenracer1]

did some heavy duty bashing yesterday off a medium size jump... I was surprised at the damage to the truck.. I broke off the back bumper which then broke the rear sway bar... bent the shock towers again only a little bit.. I think the chassis is tweaked a bit and the steering link (doubled up) is slightly bent.. The only good thing is that none of the repairs are expensive and the truck still ran fine.. Some of the landings were less than perfect which is why the rear got messed up..... One other thing was the right and left rear tires are now pointing slightly inward.. the arms are not straight.. I think its the screws on the bottom of the chassis that need to be tightened.. Oh well... gives me something to do while the wife watches the girlie movies tonight.....

[doesgo]

cenracer1, is this a non-CE SUT? If so, BUY STRONGER ARM MOUNT SCREWS!!!! I can't stress this enough. If you do this enough times you will tear your chassis which is WAY more expensive to replace than screws! The stock screws are weak and bend (or more likely break). Here (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_46_48&products_id=75) are the screws you need. Some hinge pin braces will also decrease the load on your arm mounts, but the screws are the most important thing.

[TNN]

Have any of you guys tried switching out the hing pins for the short shock shafts?Is it worth the time and money?Any issues with it?

[cenracer1]

doesgo... sorry for the late reply but I was working on my new inferno 777sp1... I will give them a try.. I can get these locally so it will be done this weekend... To answer your question about the truck.. its a stock sut with a xtm 247 pro engine.. I got the truck for $20 us with a blown engine.. haven't had to sink much into it at all... pretty tough, but at times I forget, its not a buggy so the jumps get a bit funky at times... love the way it handles and its pretty quick for such a large truck...

[TNN]

Tip to keep the break shaft bearings cleaner.Slip the center outdrive orings (the black ones)over the shafts and press them down against the bearings.To hold the front one better replace the set screw with short screw and thick washer.This will hold the oring tight to the bearing.Will help keep the fuel and dirt out of the bearings.

[TNN]

Another Idea stretch a O-ring over your fuel line to use it as a clamp on the ends.

[FrankT]

hello everyone, I took my truck out today after a long cold season.It started and ran fine but a few laps around the yard and the front wheel broke off.the rim broke at the hex and another wheel has cracks. what caused this?? could it be over tightened wheels.how can I prevent this from happening again? and what new stronger wheels can I replace these with.
Thanks Frank

[TNN]

Th plastic gets britle with age.It also dries out and can crack.

[TNN]

I found on Stormer hobbies last night that Dynamite makes a few aluminum parts for the SUT.I think they were cheaper in price then GS.Oh yea whats up with Fioroni? $104.00 for alum C-hubs.They must be made alum from the moon.

[TNN]

Well Boys I got my first practice week and first race week in on my SUTce on this track www.bnrcc.org .I broke C-hubs,cast spindles,bent front shock shafts and bent rear shock tower.The truck does not handle 15-20 ft drops out of the air well.I need to slow down and jump from jump to jump.Almost forgot those shocks shafts were Pro shocks.Thinking about selling this truck its #172 of 999.

[FrankT]

hello everyone, does gs make wide suspension arms yet? I bought the offset ofna dish wheels and 17mm hubs, but it looks like the tires will rub. are t-maxx tires smaller than the origanal tires.
Thanks Frank

[TNN]

Dont know if T-Maxx tires are smaller.Did you guys see that Filler (user ID) got his SUT in RCcaraction READERS RIDES?Looks like a race truck with the Crowd Pleazer body and the 40 Series wheels.Would like to know how he mounted the rear wing.

[FrankT]

thanks tnn ..I'll just stick with the stock set up.

[doesgo]

You can pretty easily mount a GS Storm wing on the SUT, just gotta drill a couple holes in the SUT shock tower and do some creative trimming on the body.

[speedracer911]

where is the best place to buy parts for these trucks? also where can i get some pro shocks. but i really need one of the wheel axles a pin fell out of mine so i'm down right now.

[TNN]

Thank's doesgo.

[TNN]

I get my parts from www.gsracing.com www.stormerhobbies.com and www.towerhobbies.com

[TNN]

Is anyone using the aluminum a-arm kit made by Native racing sold by Amain hobbies.The whole kit sells for $239.99

[Cain]

How are these vehicles in general compared to the new crop of truggies out there? Is the GS SUT CE version competitive?

[TNN]

Truck works well i have been racing mine a few months now.

[TNN]

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/SUTce/?action=view&current=SUTce009.jpg
This is a pic of my SUTce.

[Cain]

Nice. I got an SUT CE in that has the native suspension kit, and other than a few issues with the seller so far so good. I tore it down and did a complete clean out and will be replacing the screws on the next cleanout with new stainless ones.

One question, I have 14mm hexes (not the extenders ) and want to go to 17mm hexes, will the savage hexes or another kind bolt on?

[t9dragon]

There are hex's that GS has that would work with the 17mm hubs.

[Cain]

Do you have a part number?

[mad419iou1]

Hey guys I just picked up an SUT. It's an RTR with some pro upgrades and it came with an Airtronics MX-3, Hitec 5645MG for steering, Hitec 625MG for throttle, a Trinity Sirio .27 Racer Monster Horsepower 27XL, plus the stock R25MT engine. I paid a whole $225 for it and I think I got a pretty good deal.

Does anyone have a setup sheet or a manual on PDF?? The link on the GS site is not working for me for the setup sheet.

Anyone have any ideas on how to put more tension on the stock servo saver? I was thinking about putting a spacer under the spring to add more tension as this one isn't threaded.

Overall I had a great day running the truck. The Sirio puts out GOBS of torque and ran wonderfull all day. Now all I need to do is figure out the steering situation and get the brakes to work a bit better.

Mike

[doesgo]

I just got a few different plastic washers at the hardware store to shim up the stock RTR servo saver. Works, but it's not easily adjustable. Else you could pick up a Pro adjustable saver for $11.24 here (http://www.smfstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=426).

Yeah, you got a great deal on that truck! Hope you like it.

[Cain]

I got some spares if you need for your SUT as I have the native kit. Email me if interested.

[strechm]

Just placed this one up for trade or sale if anyone is interested in it. It's in great shape with a few extras thrown in.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemID=225996

[FrankT]

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=227193 here is a post of my sut for sale in case anyone is interested. it is like new any questions feel free to ask. thanks Frank

[mad419iou1]

Got any spare pro chassis?? I just cracked mine today.

Mike

[TNN]

www.hobbydepot.com

[AceCombat]

Hi Everyone!
I'm from Malaysia and i'm new to nitro.
I just bought a used SUT RTR with stock condition,it runs original e engine stall,and i need to start it again,may i know what is going on?It h.25 pull start engine.I have a few questions to ask u guys.
1. The engine can be started smoothly,but once i press the throttle,the engine stall and i need to restart it again,what is going on?This problem really make me headache.
2. When i press the throttle,if the engine is not stalling,the truck is not moving,even when i press full throttle,the engine is revving high,but the truck is not moving,what is going on?
Thank you guys,thanks for your help!