GS Racing Storm Unlimited Truck

[StevePond]

GS Racing of Europe has signalled the pending release of what GS Racing is calling the "Storm Unlimited Truck."

Here are some of the features as listed by the GS Racing Europe site:

STORM UNLIMITED TRUCK

Based on the race winning GS STORM chassis.

Features include :
- 100 % factory assembled 1/8th Stadium Race Truck
- Pre- glued GS Road Ripper tyres on Monster Truck Star Wheels
- Fully compatible with T-Maxx wheels, tires and bodies
- Pre-painted and trimmed GS truck body with decals applied
- Over 75% compatible with the Storm series buggies
- The first true 1/8th production racing truck
- Full line of options available
- Full precision ball bearings
- Tuned exhaust system
- Front universal driveshafts
- Aluminium oil-filled shocks


2 engines available :
- 21 (3,5cc) for the speed !!
- 25 (4,1cc) for the torque !!

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/GSRacing/Storm_unlimited2.jpg


http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/GSRacing/Storm_unlimited.jpg

For more information, please visit the GS Racing Europe (http://www.gs-europe.com) website.

[losiguy1090]

SWEEEET!!!!!! im not diggin the body tho

[bad_company_9]

Wow, no suspension travel w/ big tires = near disaster. Have to use heavy springs to counteract the huge amont of new weight. Definitly needs more than 1.5 in. (estimation) of suspension travel. Convert a real mt, instead.

[losiguy1090]

well if u used bigger shocks it wouldnt handle as well. but it would do alot better in the terrain its desined to use

[1822]

Cool truck. I like the idea of using a buggy chassis as the base for a good truck. I'm bummed to see they have the same old suspension. Did you see the size of those spacers on the wheels? I'm waiting for SOMEONE, ANYONE to build a good truggy with long arms so there's not such a big offset in the wheel or the hub.

[atm92484_3]

I think if they just would have used the 17mm hexes from the Storm buggy and Dominator style rims, it would be a better design. They'll still sell more though since its compatible with T-Maxx and Savage wheels. Its still nice to finally see a competant truggy. I wonder if this will push some other companies to make conversions for their buggies (mainly Kyosho and Mugen)?

[T-Maxxahol]

Jt racing already makes parts to conver the Mugen and soon Kyosho.. also a Hyper 7 kit is in the works check it out..............................

[muswagon]

The Thunder Quake and Dirt Demon both have the long arms you speak of. They may need some hopping up to be competitive, but they are good starting points.

[Roadrash13]

The "NEW" GS Storm Unlimited Monster Truck (RTR version only) is now available at Horizon Hobby. Go check it out, they look pretty sweet for the price ;^)

I'm still waiting for the Pro MT kit, which should be available very soon! So check back offten for availability for other GS products.

Thanks, Steve


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[Pro3/nmt105]

Originally posted by losiguy1090
well if u used bigger shocks it wouldnt handle as well. but it would do alot better in the terrain its desined to use Its a truggy it was designd to be raced on a track, not to bash on rough terrain. Although Im sure its designed to handel high jumps.

[garen]

http://www.gsracing.com.tw/information_detailed.php?id=71

1- The truck has plenty of suspension travel.

2- The truck (and the suspension) is more of a race truck/less a monster truck, but it handles rough terrain just fine.

[metalry101]

I don't see why they're advertising this thing the way they are. I mean it looks like a decent truck, and GS makes quality stuff, but from what I remember of the ad in the latest Car Action, it's advertised like it's a big tough monster truck, when in reality, it's a really really big and tough four wheel drive stadium truck (AKA, a buggy w/ monster truck tires and a truck body). I'm thinking that they should advertise it as the first real competition (other than very expensive race-converted maxxes) for the Dominator. Everyone knows the Dominator is far and away the best racing monster truck on the market, but this thing looks to be a helluva challenger. And hopefully they offer those wheels and tires to the rest of the monster truck crowd (My E-Maxx wants to try them out).

[sean68]

kinda looks like a cheap way to get rid of some soon to be old parts???

[muswagon]

Guys,

This should be a better truck than the Dom, as it is a much newer design than the Dom (the Dom is the old 1/8 scale Pirate chassis).

I am sure this is how the first Monster Pirate came about. The Pirate buggy was replaced, however, why throw on some big tires and keep selling the chassis? Brilliant marketing.

The GS Unlimited will sell very well. It is direct competition to the Dom. It will also be competing against people wanting to use JT conversions for Mugen buggies or whatever other kits they come up with (hyper 7, and mp7.5 are to be out soon).

[Freak e-maxx1]

whens the convo kit comin out for the buggy what would it come with and could i still use buggy tires with the kit?

[bubbafien]

this thing should spank the Dom.

longer suspension arms=more travel and better handling

and the dom requires better diffs if more power is added, this should take the power you give

looks good to me

bubbafien

[WutaRush2]

that thing looks just like a 1/8 scale buggy with big tires:confused:

[Freak e-maxx1]

cause it is

[samyman]

vary cool.no .21 motor powered monster could have a big power/handiling difference?

[anothermbdusted]

bubbafien: the dom is a excellent truck and if you know the secrets of rebuiling it properly then you shouldn't have to redo the diffs in it...i had a picco pro bv in mine and went a whole season with out having to rebuild them or replace my diffs...its all in the way you build things is all....no dis intended....

as for this truck its got to long of hubs on it and i would bet money that people will be bending axles like crazy on this thing from the large jumps we all like and if not that the arms will snap like crazy from the undue stress of having so much weight to the outside without any support except those over sized spacers...but its a start and you got to start out some where it just sucks that they couldnt have came up with longer arms like it needs....thats where the savage and the tmaxx has got over this truck a nice plush suspension..

[tphss]

Looks really nice big and rough.
Probably a fun truck.

[yalesmith19]

Horizon hobbt prices suck!

[muswagon]

Dont buy from their website, those prices do suck. The GS truck will be much cheaper through a large hobby shop. It is only $500 cdn at mine, which is only $390 US funds.

[garen]

The ad you see in the mags was done at GS in Taiwan. To celebrate winning the NORRCA Nats, we'll have a new ad out soon.

The Dominator is a good truck, as are most of the aftermarket conversion kits available for 1/8th buggies. So far, we are very impressed with the performance of our truck compared to everyone else.

I can't say much about a conversion kit yet, but part of the planning included a conversion kit for anyone who already owns a Storm. Yes you can use buggy wheels, you'll need the 14mm to 17mm inserts used on the SUT. The SUT axles are 14mm hex.

The stock diffs hold up just fine. You can use a Fioroni front/rear Storm Traction Torsen diff as well, and if Fioroni were to make a 54T center spur, you could use the center torsen too. We have not yet tried torsens, but they might actually work good in the truck.

The SUT is over 75% based on the Storm. There are about a dozen parts different on the truck.

We raced the truck with a .25 pullstart engine. A .21 should work good too, perhaps with more top end.

After 2 days of testing, 1 day of practice, 2 days of qualifying, and mains, we broke a total of 2 cvd's, 1 front lower arm, and no bent or broken axles (hub extension pieces.) Tmaxx and Savage trucks definitely have a more "plush" suspension, but I don't think that has any relation to bent or broken parts. Keep your car in good shape, set it up right, and broken parts will be kept to a minimum.

What's wrong with Horizon prices? If your shop sells parts/cars for less, definitely buy from the shop.

[strechm]

I picked up the RTR version about 2 months back and had just finished the break-in when the weather turned south. Had to put it away and have had no time yet because of my work schedule to take it out and see what it'll really do...I'll have a shot at soon enough, should be an awesome race truck. It's similar to another hybrid that I have and absolutely nothing like my 21 Maxx.

Thanks for the thread Steve!!!

[Ronin1973]

Garen,
any idea when the SUT Pro will become available to the public?

[sdot23]

Originally posted by Ronin1973
Garen,
any idea when the SUT Pro will become available to the public?

I received an email the other day from GS:

Pro version should be available by April, The kit, includes all of the 7075 aluminum components & carbon fiber plates, no engine or radio. No price available yet, you can find info on our group of websites www.gsracing.com www.gsracing.com.tw & www.gseurope.com



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I could not wait. I just brought a Storm Pro buggy Roller for $150. I will get the convo kit for $160. At 9lbs and mod'd .26 should be fun. Can't wait to get it together.

[doesgo]

I finally got my SUT out a few days ago, as the weather finally broke. Holy carp is that thing fun! I was only going up and down the street and driveway, but I was very impressed!

No, it doesn't have the travel of a Maxx or Savage. So? It's not supposed to! It's a race truck, a converted buggy. If I want to jump I'll run the Savage, but this thing will run circles around the Savage in a racing environment.

The difference between my Savage and the SUT is like the difference between a Suburban and a Corvette. Well, maybe not a Corvette, but you get the idea! :D

[andersun16]

I'm on the fence. I'm considering getting the new Losi LST when it comes out, but I've been hearing good things about the SUT. I will only race it - not much into bashing. I'd probably go with the RTR version of the SUT. Any known problems with the SUT? Is it really as good on a racetrack as they say it is? I'm just looking for some good honest feedback here. Thanks.

[doesgo]

I haven't had mine on the track yet, but just based on my esperience with the SUT and what I've seen on the Web about the LST an SUT, I think the SUT will be better overall on the track than the LST.

The SUT did win the NORRCA Nationals as you probably know, but it only came in 5th in some big race at The Dirt in Hemet, CA in January. The MGT actually won! A Mammoth finished 8th and would have won but had some diff problems well into the 45-minute main.

The LST wasn't in any of those races, of course.

I guess if you don't mind being stuck in the "Unlimited" class, the SUT (or better yet, the SUT Pro) will probably be a great truck for you. If you want to run against "standard" (not buggy-based) MTs like the T-Maxx and Savage then the LST would probably be your best bet. Of course class limitations depend on your track.

As for what the SUT needs to race, here's what Marty Korn did to his to TQ and win the NORRCA Nationals last fall:
These are the things that i changed on my mt, I put med. shocks
In the front instead of longs. I doubled the steering rack for
strength, i cut coils off the springs for a lower ride height, can't
remember how many,mounted the gas tank on pieces of fuel line for safety,tightened the servo saver way up,added swaybars, changed to a 12t clutchbell, removed mt bumpers, they are unnecessary,changed to universals everywhere,and put nuts on top of the suspension mounts for safety. With these changes you will have little if any problems. In stock form you will have little if any problems. Here is my setup: 50wt front shocks,30wt rear, 30,000 cent diff, 10,000 front diff, 3,000 rear diff,all
shocks in middle hole on arms, middle hole on steering rack,that should be good to get you going. Oh yeah, i ran alum chassis braces."

So the only real "upgrade" was the Pro chassis braces. Everything else was just tweaking.

[garen]

Just to clarify what happened at the Dirt Race, Marty was in 2nd place early on battling with Bobby Tillman. Both were starting to check out on the field. A seized clutchbell bearing ended his race. Dave Diehl (also running an SUT) was ahead of me when he had problems. I putted around most of the race, flamed out once, and only in the last 10 minutes did I pick up the pace trying to stay ahead of Tillman (who had been off the track with radio problems). Needless to say, he beat me for 4th in the end. Saxton (driving the MGT) was actually in last place early on...I know this, because I was in the back of the pack and happened to go by him when his truck was on its lid.
The Mammoth truck looked really good in qualifying, and would have benefited greatly if the quals and main were only 5 minutes long.
I don't know what is going on with racing rules for ROAR or NORRCA, or even non sancionted or club events, but I don't think this should be a major concern when deciding which truck to get. Afterall, the MGT is not buggy based.
I have not yet seen the Losi truck, but in pictures, it looks like a good truck and should be fun to drive.

[doesgo]

Thanks for clearing all that up, Garen! Hearing it from a legit source is always nice.

I'd also like to compliment GS Racing on two things I've found recently:

First is that the screws going into metal on my SUT RTR actually have threadlock on them! Wow, what a concept, an RTR with threadlock! I've owned a few RTRs from other manufacturers and none of them had any threadlock.

Second, GS actually seems to want to help out their customers! Another simple concept that most manufacturers don't seem to get. GS has that monstrous document about how to set up the SUT for racing. How cool is that? They admit the truck isn't perfect (what truck is?) and suggest ways to make it better. Sometimes it takes option parts, and sometimes it just takes a little effort.

I'm happy to be on the GS bandwagon and I'm really looking forward to my first full racing season coming up, and I'll be piloting a Storm buggy and an SUT!

[doesgo]

Oh, and my comment about MT racing classes was based on my local track only. I bought an SUT because I thought it looked like the best thing to run in the big-block class at my local track, but about a week later I found out that the so-called *truggies* will be in the unlimited class only and won't be allowed in the big-block class.

I can see why it is that way, but I just wanted to give people the heads-up about it. It stinks to buy a new truck and find out you can't run it in the class you intended.

I'm still looking forward to running my SUT against some Dominators and the high-buck Maxxes that show up. Should be a fun season!

[thedarkness]

i just orderd one of theese bad boys.Can anyone give me some stats on the r25 mt engine(hp,rpms)?i see this engine sells for over 200uson the gs website.Ive done some speed calculations and with a 38000 rpm engine it should hit 49 mph.Does this sound right to any of you?Any ways my main question is this motor very good?, or should i just sell it on ebay and stick something else in?thanks for your time

[doesgo]

Any suggestions for a replacement clutch for the SUT? Mine's gone after only two post-break-in tanks. No idea why it failed, but I won't be buying another stock one, that's for sure!

[doesgo]

I guess it just wore out, or possibly my idle was set too high. The truck didn't roll on its own, but... If it's the same clutch that's in the buggy, however, I can see it not having enough grabbing power for those big tires and doing a lot of slipping.

I've got Mugen aluminum shoes and 1.0 and 1.1 springs on the way...

[doesgo]

Anyone know if the GS .25MT engine that comes in the SUT is the same as the XTM 24.7? I read that the same company makes both engines, as well as the SH brand(?).

Either way, I'm very pleased with its performance so far! Man this truck is fast and really soaks up the bumps and landings!

[StormPilot]

Do you think that it is worth it to wait for the Pro version. I have a StormRTR and I am going to buy a truck for racing this year. I really like the SUT but I am not sure if I should get het RTR or the Pro.


Thank you
Darin Gray
RCSX Eugene

[Monsterbrad]

hey guys
anybody have any speed reports or has anybody drag raced a savage.
I know this truck will out perform a savage but is it faster in a straight up drag race??????????

I will be selling the savage soon gotta have one of these bad boys.

[doesgo]

Well, I was really hoping to race my SUT against my friend's Savage (with a Picco .26) today, but as luck would have it my transmitter batteries were dead and by the time they were charged enough to run, he broke a C-hub or something on his Savage.

I will say that from my experience the SUT is VERY fast (bone stock), especially considering it's only got one speed. Very strong acceleration and good top end. I've seen it tested to 41mph in two different magazines, and one of them said it was the fastest RTR monster truck they've ever tested. I'm amazed by it and my inexperienced driving skills make it a handful!

I have to say, however, I'm disappointed in the steering drag link! I've only gotten air with it on our homemade track and the highest jump is 18" tall, yet a couple front-end-down landings have bent the drag link into a V shape. I was warned, I'm not terribly surprised, but still disappointed. A Storm Pro drag link is on order.

Second, I actually sheared off one of the screws that holds the aluminum rear arm mount to the chassis. No idea when or how it happened, as the bent drag link is what stopped me from driving. I guess I'll be searching out some stainless screws for that location.

To put this into perspective, however, when I bought my HPI Savage about 15 months ago I did many things to it to make it ready to bash, including upgrading all six dogbones, the air filter, servo upgrade, servo saver upgrade, diff mods, etc. It's really tough now, but the SUT is bone stock and pretty tough. And when it's running good and I'm not fighting drag link problems, holy cow it is fast and handles great!

That said, overall I like my Savage better for all around use, but on a track, the SUT is a blast.

[doesgo]

Oh, in two weeks I should be with some friends to do some major bashing, so I'll do my best to get a drag race going with the Savages. We should have a stock Savage 21, a stock Savage 25, the .26 Savage I mentioned in the other post, as well as an O.S. RGX-powered Savage. Should be plenty of opportunities to drag race!

[Monsterbrad]

How about this guys?
Anybody go up against the mgt I have read that its a ripper and nothing can touch it on the track not even the gs sut.
I am kinda up set to hear that the sut is not that much of a play truck I was looking to get away from the 2 speed and the messy design of my savage.
Tearing into the savage is not fun at all.
So now I am down to selling the savage and either getting a mgt or the sut.
Have not made up my mind yet.
anybody want a pretty much stock savage steering up grade ringed pipe new rear dif 2 bodies its in great shape engine still runs like new.
300 shipped to anybody in the US

[doesgo]

The SUT can be a play truck as long as you don't need a ton of ground clearance or long suspension travel. It absolutely tears it up out there, and it pulls wheelies with a slight provocation from a small bump. No small feat for a low-slung truggy. It's definitely faster than the MGT.

The MGT is okay, it did win the race at The Dirt a couple months ago, but if it were bone-stock with equal drivers, it'd get killed by an SUT. The MGT that won that race was pretty heavily modified while the SUTs were mostly stock, from what I understand. Not to begrudge the MGT, it DID win, but I think the SUT is a far better racer out of the box.

The Losi LST won US Gas Nationals (or whatever it's called) recently and I think that was stock right down to the tires! So obviously there's no single truck that's going to be "The Best" all the time.

Are you looking to race or bash or both? Why don't you like the Savage, mostly the complexity of it? I wish I had the cash, I'd buy your Savage! By the way, is it a 21 or a 25?

[thedarkness]

hmm i have an extra roller sut if anyone needs parts cheap.(sorry servo plate broken).im not trying to make any money so i dont think this should go in the buy/sell forum.Im only offering this to some who allready owns one.I really like this truck it rips with the gs .25/xtm 24.7(ive heard they were the same)but drop in a sirio .27 pro its out of control on loose surfaces(i love it haha)the suspenison is good just put a little thicker oil and springs(bam no more bottoming).Anyways what wtg diff lock does everone use?i have yet to re oil the diffs but wondering what would work best i have 10,000, 30,000, 50,000,100,000 wtg oil which will work best i was thinking 100 in the front 50 in the front and 10 in the back or will this give me some bad handling?

[doesgo]

What does the roller have and how much do you want for it? Why are you getting rid of it, it sounds like you have another, don't you want to save it for parts for yourself?

Marty Korn (driver for GS Racing) is running 10,000 front, 30,000 center, and 3,000 rear diff lube.

[doesgo]

Thought this was interesting about the US Gas Championships. The Losi LST won, but check out the eyebrow-raising details! I got this off the GS Racing website.


4-6-04 :: GS Storms the US Gas Championships

The 3rd Annual US Gas Championships was held at KZ Speedway last weekend. This is fast becoming one of the biggest and most popular races in the US, as was evidenced by the 200+ drivers in attendance. In the Unlimited Monster Truck class, there was a total of 7 GS SUT's signed up, more than any other manufacturer. After qualifying, Marty Korn's SUT took TQ, with Garen Hagobian in 6th and Jason Sams of Car Action in 9th. The race format allowed for 3 bump ups, and from the B main, 2 more SUT's bumped. In the main, Marty led most of the race, battling with Bobby Tillman. Garen moved into 3rd about 3/4 of the way through the race, as the other SUT battled for spots 5-10. Both Marty and Garen had set up their pit stop schedule for a 30 minuted main, as posted by the race director, but during the race it was announced that the main was only 20 minutes. This meant both Marty and Garen had to make an extra pit stop, which in the end forced Marty to chase after Tillman, finishing in 2nd place, just seconds behind. Garen held of Dean Sexton for 3rd. TQ, 2nd, and 3rd, still not a bad weekend! In the 1/8th Pro class, Marty qualified his Storm Pro in 5th place, and in the main was comfortably in 2nd place when an untimely crash and flame out dropped him to 6th. 1 Bobby Tillman 2 Marty Korn (TQ) GS SUT 3 Garen Hagobian GS SUT 4 Dean Sexton 5 Aaron Deguzman 6 Kendall Bennett 7 Dave Wentz GS SUT 8 Skinny 9 Tyrone Downs GS SUT 10 Steve Burnside 11 Jay Smoker 12 Jason Sams GS SUT

[Monsterbrad]

Hey guys just bought a limited with the fm radio from speed zone racaeway in TN ,,,,
Truck looks pretty good have not gotten to break it in yet work and now its raining non stop so it will be a few days before I get it broke in.
Also has anybody noticed the flexing in the chassis????
I might upgrade to the pro chassis.
????

[doesgo]

For setup tips, go here: http://www.gsracing.com/gsracing/page.asp?pg=news&id=35

They briefly mention chassis flex and that maybe a little bit isn't such a bad thing. But they do sell the Pro braces to combat it as well as the stiffer chassis.

[Fidelio]

the pro chassis, chassis braces, and rear bulkhead brace will take a ton of flex out of the chassis.

i don't have the sut but it sure made a difference in my storm buggy. buggy was MUCH more precise after the upgrade.

[Monsterbrad]

Hey guys a couple ????? here
I broke the engine in and I was wondering what the deal is with the carb on this thing.I have the high speed needle set at about 1-1/2 turns out from stop and the temp is about 220 with the body on whats the deal with that??
Also does anybody know how many turns out from stop the low end should be mine seems to be rich by alot????
Help would be cool here

[Monsterbrad]

The guys at speed zone told me that this engine runs very cool and makes realy great power they have had a couple run in the low 140 areas and still make good power.Thats good seeing how heat is the enemy of these little engines.
Also I can see nobody posts on here so I am talkin to myself............

[doesgo]

Hey guys a couple ????? here
I broke the engine in and I was wondering what the deal is with the carb on this thing.I have the high speed needle set at about 1-1/2 turns out from stop and the temp is about 220 with the body on whats the deal with that??
Also does anybody know how many turns out from stop the low end should be mine seems to be rich by alot????
Help would be cool here
What do you mean "what's the deal with that"? Tune for performance while keeping an eye on the temps. 220 with the body on is a little cool I believe, depending on ambient temperatures, but it makes really nice power anywhere from 200-280 degrees.

Sorry, I don't know where my needles are set relative to anything, I just tune for the weather each time I'm out. Well, I try to anyway.

Last month's Xtreme R/C Car magazine (issue #102) did a road test on the SUT and listed the carb settings they used, unfortunately I lent my copy to my friend so I can't tell you what they were running.

[doesgo]

The guys at speed zone told me that this engine runs very cool and makes realy great power they have had a couple run in the low 140 areas and still make good power.Thats good seeing how heat is the enemy of these little engines.
Also I can see nobody posts on here so I am talkin to myself............
Wow, that's pretty low! I'd try not to let it run under 200 degrees myself, 220-260 is normal operating temperature for most of these engines.

There are a few posters on here, but not too much. I sure wish there were more, I love talking about and learning about this truck.

Last weekend I bent my stock steering plate (drag link) so I'm trying to work up a stiffer replacement since the Pro plates are all backordered. I made up a couple out of aluminum and will stack the original plus these two together with countersunk screws (so the screw heads don't hit the upper arm mounts) and JB Weld them together. I also sheared off one of the rear hinge pin block screws, so I'm replacing them all with stainless screws. Hope that helps! Can't wait to get back out there...

[Monsterbrad]

I was surprised that the engine temp is so low my self but I don't want to lean it out to much cause it is bog when I rev it out.
I am looking for engine life and the cooler the better after break in.
Also my clutch is getting replaced already after about 8 tanks.
I don't get this my savage ate the clutch and so did my menace.
Now the GS smoked one also.
I don't mind the GS one cause its a standard replacement but the menace is a special one only available through Schumacher.
The savage has a new one but will be sold here real quick.
I know I saw a post a while back about somebody else going through a clutch early also.
Stupid things are made over seas and they use crappy plastic I think.
Oh well I'll just throw a new one on and keep going can't wait to get this thing power tuned all the way and the center dif filled with 120 dif fluid.

[doesgo]

I smoked my SUT clutch right away, too. Right now I've got OFNA plastic shoes in it (I had them on hand) and I've got Mugen aluminum shoes in the toolbox I'll be installing this week. I think the stock ones must just be too soft.

I never even ran the stock clutch on the Savage, but I understand they're just not very good. The Menace surprises me though, my buddy has the stock clutch on his and it's working great!

Well, good luck tuning the SUT, I hope you love it! I'm looking forward to running mine again this weekend.

[Monsterbrad]

Hey thanks I can't wait to mess with this truck a little more,till I get it tuned perfectly.
Also its nice to have someone to chat with on here about it.
I thought about aluminum shoes but I am not sure about those for just bashing they seem like alot of messing around trimming them as they wear in and then out.
I'll try another set of regulars and see what happens.
The menace is on the back burner till I get this truck perfect and running like a champ then it will be back to the menace replacing the clutch bearings and clutch.
So you race this truck ?????

[doesgo]

I don't know much about aluminum shoes....maybe I should wait to install them until I do a little research? Everyone recommended them to me so after I torched my stockers I just decided to step up to the aluminum ones. I'll have to dig into it. Until then, my basic OFNA plastic ones seem to be working well.

I haven't raced the SUT yet, but I will be racing it in a summer-long series at my local track in the Unlimited class. Can't wait! I might swap out the GS R25MT engine for the O.S. .21 RG-X that's in my Savage though, I just can't control the 25! I can drive my Savage pretty decently (I won the MT class with it last fall), but I just can't drive this SUT yet, it's so responsive and FAST! The O.S. engine should be more controllable, at least to me.

[Monsterbrad]

What are you running for temp on your engine?
I can't get mine over 200 with out going to lean.
But you are right this engine seems to make great power.

[Fidelio]

if your engine is that cold, and having trouble reaching 200* with the right tune, you might try a slightly colder plug and a retune.

[Monsterbrad]

I will see how things go after I get it all back together and tuned in.
I was told that they seem to be running colder than most engines if it makes good power colder and runs like a champ I am not going to complain.

[Fidelio]

too cold though and you can wear out your engine as quickly as much too hot.

i can live happily with anything between 215-260 before i start worrying. outside of that range and i start to reevaluate where i'm at. if the engine is running good, i may not change my tune, but i run through the mental checklist and pay closer attention to how the engine is running.

[thedarkness]

Has anyone driven the pro yet.A guy at my track is writing a review on one soon, but he has yet to get his from GS. He will have it this weekend and i can see it go with my gs .25 in it(well his now i sold it to him).Sorry useless ramble oh yeah check out www.rcracersedmonton.com to see if darren has put the review on it up in the forum as well.

[StormPilot]

Hey darkness, is that track in Canada. I read that it said Edmenton but not sure what one. Thanks


Darin Gray

[thedarkness]

yeah this tracks in canada.do you like the looks of it?this track is huge and kills 1/10 stadium trucks baecause without a high end .12 or 1 degree rear blocks you cant clear the jumps.

[Monsterbrad]

ok I had this thing out today bashing the heck out of it and it was great the handleing on this truck is just awesome.
I did manage to blow the body mounts off the shock towers in the back.
It took alot of abuse and fried the clutch bearings which were replaced with new blue seal ones.
I am thinking about getting a new engine maybe.
Anybody want the 25 thats on the truck now????????
email me at ExExCR@aol.com
just broke in runs great just want more power

[StormPilot]

Yes the track looks great. I would love to run with my Storm up there, maybe I will come up sometime with the buggy and the SUT.


Darin Gray
snkkpr01@aol.com

[U4G-Nitro]

Does the SUT come with a taller spur gear to accommodate the bigger tires? I'm asking because instead of getting the SUT conversion is it possible to just get the spur and adapters for the truck wheels. Other than that what other parts are needed to convert Storm to SUT.

Thanks

[Fidelio]

spur, brake plate, radio plate, shock towers, bumpers, body mounts, and wheel adapters are all different i think. the diff mount might also be different but not sure if they have a new one, or just use spacers.

i'm sure you could make a hybrid somewhere in between but the conversion really isn't a bad price considering they're supposedly pro parts. what i don't know is if the conversin comes with wheels/tires and a body. if it does then it's a great price.

anyway, maybe someone who actually owns an SUT and a storm can help you more since i only own the storm and have track friends with SUT's.

[Monsterbrad]

Mike at Speed Zone told me that the truck and the buggy are the same as far as the difs and stuff just wheel adapters spur gear shock towers body mounts the brake mount because the difs gear is much bigger than the buggy.
All I can say is when you take the wheels off this truck it looks just like a 1/8 scale buggy.
I love mine so far its taken a heck of a beating and its just awesome to run it the handeling is great it doesn't roll like the other trucks I have had.
Once again anybody want my engine I want to put my p-5 in this truck.
$100.00 shipped to anywhere in the US!

[PhsykoManMKAO]

:D gonna get one of these trucks here coming up soon. hope its as good as i heard. i love the looks of it, ahhh! :mad: cant wait lol

[Monsterbrad]

U won't believe this truck it handles awesome.
I love it just alot of fun to drive I had a savage 25 and i like this truck better but then again it suits my driving style better.

[garen]

sorry i have not been around lately. i hope to have time soon to catch up on all the gs threads...
going back a couple of posts, the LST did not win the unlimited monster class, it won the stock (or whatever it's called) class. Tillman (winner) drives a Mugen converted truck. Marty pitted once more than Bobby, otherwise Marty had the lead and it could have gone either way.

I am in Taiwan right now, and I don't have all the details, but I spoke with Marty and he said that he TQ'ed and won the Maxx Challenge Monster Truck class yesterday with his SUT.

[doesgo]

Thanks for clearing that up, Garen! I should know we have to take everything we read in the mags with a VERY big grain of salt.

Great to have you on the board.

[thedarkness]

i was thinking about laying down some cash for a torsen diff for the the front.What kind of improvments will i see or am i just throwing money down the drain.I am currently running a sirio .27 if this makes any differnce.Thanks for your imput in advance.

[RCRE]

Has anyone driven the pro yet.A guy at my track is writing a review on one soon, but he has yet to get his from GS. He will have it this weekend and i can see it go with my gs .25 in it(well his now i sold it to him).Sorry useless ramble oh yeah check out www.rcracersedmonton.com to see if darren has put the review on it up in the forum as well.

Hey Thanks for the plug.

Garon was kind enough to hook me up with a kit for review. I recivie my kit this tuesday. There will be a full pictorial review, video, and onboard video on our site sometime next week www.rcracersedmonton.com (http://www.rcracersedmonton.com) . I currently have a TMAXX, Savage, and a BFT. The SUT Pro has been the apple of my eye ever since I layed eyes on the ready to run. We will have 2 of the SUT Pro's racing next weekend at our track. We hope to take first and second place our first time out with the trucks. I have a strong feeling the SUT will be getting heavy use and my other trucks will be retired.

Again Thank you Garon. :D

Regards,
Darren

[Monsterbrad]

I want the conversion kit for my truck to go from rtr to pro.
Anybody know the part numbers??????

[Fidelio]

Storm Unlimited Truck Pro Conversion Kit
Suggested Sale Price: $179.99
Part Number: GS-2007

rtr truck or buggy this should get you up to pro truck spec.

http://www.gsracing.com/gsracing/page.asp?pg=products&catid=57&fatherid=56&rootid=0&id=505

[Monsterbrad]

I think I would up grade the engine first before I do that kit change over,but it does look good though.
Anybody try and aluminum clutch in this thing yet????

[thedarkness]

i have yet to try an aluminum clutch but i run a faroni slider clutch with aggressive shoes.It seems with the big tires your clutch needs to be aluminum for it not to slip.The slider clutch still slips slightly but i should have saved the $35 difference and went aluminum 3 shoe.

[Monsterbrad]

I have come accross anther problem.
The right front shock seem to act like it has not oil in it when its compressed fast. I don't get it. I put good 80wt silicone oil in them all and that one seems to be messed up it acts like there is not oil after the truck runs for a while,or when I work the suspension hard on the stand.
I think that maybe the oil is getting past the piston enough through the slop inside the shock wall that its not working right.
Does anybody else have this problem?????

[TAW]

Can anyone form GS comment on what would be needed to upgrade a Storm Pro buggy to the SUT. I looked at the conversion kit but if the chassis is the same as the Pro buggy I don't see the need to spend that much.

Thanks

[doesgo]

I raced the SUT for the first time yesterday! It was challenging, but fun. I had removed the GS 25 engine from it in favor of an O.S. .21RG because I was having trouble keeping the truck going in a straight line with all the torque of the 25. I know, many of you don't think the .25 is strong enough, but I'm a beginning racer, so bear with me. :)

The track where I race is rather large (160'x105') and quite loose, so I installed some Pro-Line Mulchers on Velocity wheels thinking I'd need the traction. Well, it turns out you CAN traction-roll the SUT without too much trouble, even in dirt. Those Mulchers really bit into the loose stuff and I was rolling like crazy. The only other tires I had on hand were mounted stock Savage tires, which are very heavy and not race-oriented, so I stuck with the Mulchers and tried to slow down.

Well, to cut the story short, I really calmed myself down for the Main, went slower into the corners and just tried to run my own race rather than get caught up in the excitement of the other eight trucks around me and it worked out okay. I finished 3rd in the 9-truck Unlimited Monster Truck Main against two other GS SUTs (one finished first, the other last - something happened to it) and a bunch of Dominators, some with T-Maxx suspension conversions.

So, for my second time ever racing, I was pretty happy with the results! My first time was with my Savage last fall and I took first place that time, but that was because most the T-Maxxes against which I was running broke!

I also ran in the Gas Truck Sportsman class with my RC10GT and due to a pitstop error I placed sixth of nine, but would have taken second place without the error, so at least I know my driving ability wasn't to blame. All-in-all, a fun day! Can't wait for two more weeks so I can race the SUT again, and hopefully my Storm buggy will be running well so I can race that, too.

[doesgo]

I think I would up grade the engine first before I do that kit change over,but it does look good though.
Anybody try and aluminum clutch in this thing yet????
I smoked my stock clutch shoes very early in my SUT's life so I tried Mugen aluminum shoes with 1.0 springs. I hated that setup! They really slipped a lot, for some reason, and they really sound odd. I switched back to some cheap OFNA composite shoes and I am much happier.

[Monsterbrad]

Has anybody had problems with the shocks not working properly???
My right front one is acting like it has not oil in it and it does.
whats up with this???
I checked all the suspension and its smooth and cool.

[Fidelio]

check to make sure the washer under the piston hasn't 'wallowed out' and is letting the piston slide up and down the shaft.

[Monsterbrad]

I did that and it was good.
I don't get it it just doesn't make sense why thats the only one that gives me problems.
I am thinking about changing the shocks to pro versions or a better one.
Anybody have any sugestions???????

[doesgo]

There's shock talk on the Storm forum, they're saying to bite the bullet and drop $100 on Kyosho Kanai shocks. Ouch! But probably worth it. They seem very happy with them.

[strechm]

The stock .25 is starting to show some signs of real hp. I'm having a problem with the torque that it produces. It's pulling one of the front wheels off of the ground at wot (it's ballooning) which in turn causes the truck to veer to the side. It's uncontrollable to put it mildly. Any suggestions on how to evenly distribute the hp without have to lay off of the throttle?

[Fidelio]

if you're racing every weekend, it's worth it, but otherwise maybe not.

brad, if the shock isn't leaking the only other thing i can think of is to make sure the shock is bled correctly and doesn't have too much air in it. as the shock compresses many times while driving, air in the shock can mix into tiny bubbles with the oil and reduce it's viscosity, essentially making it feel like the oil weight is much lighter since it's mixed with air.

to make sure it's bled correctly, fill the shock with oil while the shaft/piston are at the bottom, move the shaft up and down a few times slowly to work out any bubbles that may be hiding under the piston. then let it sit without the cap on for several minutes. then screw the cap on about half way and begin to compress the shock moving the shaft upward until oil starts to come out from under the cap. at this point tighten the cap down until it stops and is tight. finally clean up the oil which dripped out onto the shock body.

if the shock doesn't leak, the piston isn't sliding on the shaft, and there's not too much air inside, the shock should work as designed.

the only other possibility would be a torn bladder that once the shock was sealed would let the air from behind the bladder mix with the oil.

:shrugs:

[Fidelio]

strechm, if it were both front wheels ballooning i would suggest using a heavier weight oil in the center diff but since it's just one, you might check to see that the bearings in your front diff and axles are still in good shape and that you don't have binding in your front end drivetrain. might check to see that your front diff is still in good shape also.

[strechm]

Will do Fidelio, thanks. It's still fairly new, 1/2 gallon or so but I did do about a half dozen hard cartwheel flips in a parking lot at close to full speed when I was trying to tune it.

[Fidelio]

it's odd that on an even traction surface this would happen when not turning, especially on such a new truck, but i've heard weirder things from people who have had little pepples or sticks caught in their drivetrain.

[strechm]

I went over it with a fine tooth comb and a half bottle of nitro cleaner late yesterday. Didn't see any debris stuck in the suspension. I did replace the stock steering sevo with a better hitec mg servo. Other than that it's bone stock. Maybe something is binding somewhere??? I find it odd to say the least. I'll check it again.

[doesgo]

You know, this happened to me when I first had my SUT as well. Sure made it a handful to drive! I assumed I was slightly turning when it happened, but maybe not. That GS25 is very torquey! I haven't had the problem since I filled the diffs, but I don't know that I've been on pavement since then either, in order to get that much traction.

Keep an eye on that throttle/brake servo, too. I put a 645MG in the steering position and moved the stock steering servo to throttle/brake and stripped it in about a half-gallon. I had the stock throttle/brake servo in my RC10GT for steering and stripped that out at the track last weekend. Sheesh, both SUT servos are toast! If any of you are considering buying an SUT I really recommend it, but get the one with the JR XR3i and JR servos!

[Fidelio]

oh you haven't filled the diffs with oil?

[strechm]

Fidelio, yes the diffs have fluid in them. It's the rtr version and no I haven't had them apart yet.

doesgo, I've done exactly what you have done. The gas/brake servo took a dump on me, kept sticking at wot for some reason, so I replaced the gas/brake servo with the stock steering servo and put the hitec 645mg one in it's place. The stock steering servo was to weak for my liking. My next step is to try 30,000 center - 10,000 front - 3,000 rear. That is when I can figure out if something is bent first.

[doesgo]

So you haven't personally filled the diffs yet? They're just greased from the factory, no oil. At least that was the case with mine.

As for bent stuff, how's your steering drag link? You'd probably notice if it were bent since your wheels would have major toe-out, but keep an eye on it. It didn't take long for mine to bend! I whittled out two more from aluminum plate, stacked them with the stocker, countersunk the steering post screws, and now it's finally solid!

Make sure to keep your hinge pin mount screws tight too, I've had some problems with that even with the nuts secured. Loc-tite the screws into the aluminum mounts AND use the locknuts. I've still sheared off the heads of two rearmost mount screws, but have since replaced those two with stainless steel screws and had no problems during practice, qualifying, or the race last weekend.

Maybe you know all this stuff already, I'm just trying to pass on what I've experienced recently!

[strechm]

No, I do not know any of this. It's the first buggy platform that I've owned other than a t maxx hybrid. I will not take offense at any kind of info presented. Sometimes it takes someone to draw a large picture for me and wave it in front of my face.....I assumed that it came from the factory with diff fluid not grease.

[doesgo]

Storm Unlimited Truck Pro Conversion Kit
Suggested Sale Price: $179.99
Part Number: GS-2007

rtr truck or buggy this should get you up to pro truck spec.

http://www.gsracing.com/gsracing/page.asp?pg=products&catid=57&fatherid=56&rootid=0&id=505
This includes all the Pro stuff to turn an RTR into a Pro AND turn a buggy into a truck? For $180? Like, steering plate, shocks, chassis braces, shock towers, graphite tray, hinge pin braces, arm mounts, etc., plus the wheel extenders, wheels, tires, different center diff plate, spur gear, and all that? No way....

[Fidelio]

doesgo, you might have sheared the heads off the screws for the arm mounts by tightening the nuts on top too much. what happens is when you crank the nut down, it stretches the screw and weakens it at the head (the weakest point). when you get out on the track, the stress is just too much and breaks the head off. you want to make sure it's snug, but once it's tight, don't keep going. the nut is there as a retainer to keep the screw from backing out more than anything, it's the screw into the mount which should really do the holding.

i say this speaking from expereince with the storm pro blocks on my buggy.

[doesgo]

So...the shim under the shock piston looking like a cone washer....is a bad thing? LOL! I've got one deformed shim in one SUT shock after last weekend's race. Tore the bladder, too. :(

Will that damaged shim damage the piston? Seems like that thing being reshaped like that would allow the piston to flop around and tear up the center hole that goes around the shock shaft.

I ordered some Yokomo diff thrust plates or whatever they're called (recommended a few pages back) to replace all the weenie little washers in my RTR shocks. What other weak points are there to these shocks other than the 3mm shock shafts? If I'm going to spend a pile of money upgrading these things, I might as well go with something better from the get-go.

Are Pro shocks any good?

[Fidelio]

This includes all the Pro stuff to turn an RTR into a Pro AND turn a buggy into a truck? For $180? Like, steering plate, shocks, chassis braces, shock towers, graphite tray, hinge pin braces, arm mounts, etc., plus the wheel extenders, wheels, tires, different center diff plate, spur gear, and all that? No way....

i haven't seen an actual list of the parts included in the conversion and would be suprised if it included shocks, but as for the other stuff, that's my understanding. that's why to me, it appears to be a good deal.

If you follow the link you'll see it says

This kit converts any Storm to a S.U.T. Pro kit.

I take this to mean any storm rtr, storm pro, or sut rtr can become an sut pro with this conversion.

the site also says
The conversion kit includes everything you need to make the conversion, including GS Road Ripper tires (T-Maxx compatible), Pro chassis, clear body, shock towers, axle adapters, spur gear, and more.
Given the price of the items listed even if nothing else was included under the 'more' category it would still be a fair deal.

chassis 85
body 25
shock towers 30
axle adapters 12
spur 25

those are rough guesstimate prices but that list adds up to $177. if you start throwing things in there like 7075 chassis braces, 7075 steering plate, graphite radio tray, graphite brake plate, graphite steering top plate, you can see it quickly becomes a great deal.

[doesgo]

Exactly! That's why I figure it must be too good to be true and is just a conversion kit to go to an SUT....but if that were the case why would they list it as a Pro conversion? Garen? Anyone? I sure am getting frustrated with the lack of parts availability and descriptions out there.

[Fidelio]

hehe, i hope i gave the part number for that yokomo thing cause i'd hate for you to get the wrong package. even if the hole in the piston is now 3mm in the center, those yokomo hardened stainless bits will keep the piston from going down the shaft, i promise.

[doesgo]

doesgo, you might have sheared the heads off the screws for the arm mounts by tightening the nuts on top too much. what happens is when you crank the nut down, it stretches the screw and weakens it at the head (the weakest point). when you get out on the track, the stress is just too much and breaks the head off. you want to make sure it's snug, but once it's tight, don't keep going. the nut is there as a retainer to keep the screw from backing out more than anything, it's the screw into the mount which should really do the holding.

i say this speaking from expereince with the storm pro blocks on my buggy.
I remember talking about the aluminum vs. plastic blocks with you a week or two ago....you're probably right as usual. I'll make sure the nuts aren't too tight, just tight enough to hold fast. Thanks!

[doesgo]

hehe, i hope i gave the part number for that yokomo thing cause i'd hate for you to get the wrong package. even if the hole in the piston is now 3mm in the center, those yokomo hardened stainless bits will keep the piston from going down the shaft, i promise.
You did list the part number, and I got four packs of two from Yokomo directly (to take care of my Storm and SUT). They listed them as 2.5mm inside diameter.

My concern was shock oil passing through an enlarged center hole, but with the washer under it that shouldn't be a problem I suppose. Thanks!

[Fidelio]

i'm still running the alloy ones in the rear, and the plastic ones in the front. no problems to report.

edit: glad you're squared away with the yok part number then. pricey way to buy washers but those things will last longer than the shocks. wait til you see em, you should be pleased.

[Fidelio]

some gs shock part numbers for anyone interested:
GS-10060 - pieces that go in the bottom of the shock (o-ring spacers, o-ring dust caps and c-clips)
GS-SH8 - shock bladders and o rings
GS-10063 - pistons

the yokomo info:
ZS-507 Diff Thrust Bearing Set ($3.00) (includes 2 washers)

[doesgo]

Great info! Now, where the heck can I get the bladders? Sheesh, getting parts for this thing is insane. Maybe I could pack up my Storm and SUT together, sell 'em, and buy a Kanai III. At least Tower stocks parts for those!

Sorry, just my frustration with parts availability talking...

[Fidelio]

one thing horizon does actually have in stock are the rebuild kits which have the bladders and o-rings. follow this link and see at all the pretty colors.

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/services/advanceresultsDetail.asp?strProd=GSCSH8&strSearchType=ALL&strInCategory=ALL&strInManufacturer=ALL&tag=qsrch

[doesgo]

Thanks Fidelio!

[Monsterbrad]

I have still not figured out whats with my shock that does not work when compressed fast! It acts like it does not have any oil in it at all.
You guys are on the subject here anybody have any sujestions???

[strechm]

Fidelio, doesgo, thanks for the heads up. Found out the drag link was bent and the diff oil will go in this weekend.

[renhack]

Can anyone tell me the dimensions on their radio box? It looks perfect for a custom project im working on. I appreciate it.

Incase you dont know what I'm talking about
http://www.gsracing.com/gsracing/page.asp?pg=products&catid=73&fatherid=56&rootid=0&id=1383

-reN

[Fidelio]

i'd be happy to measure it up for outside dimensions tomorrow, but for now, i'm hitting the sack.

[renhack]

Thanks!

[Fidelio]

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/206/206511/folders/148691/1068096stormradiobox.jpg

Interior Usable Dimension:
Length: 2 15/16" (2 5/8" @ bumpout)
Width: 1 3/4" (2 1/8" @ bumpout)
Depth: 1 9/16" lower part (1 1/4" upper part)

Exterior Dimensions:
Length: 3 3/8"
Width: 2 1/4"
Depth: 1 15/16"

For the depth of interior usable dimensions i added the measurements from the top and bottom sections of the box together. For the top part of the box, I took the lid support into account and didn't include that as usable space. The switch mount is roughly the same obstruction as the lid support in terms of height. Exterior length dimension includes the 2 screw support bumpouts.

[Monsterbrad]

ok this shock thing is pissing me off!!!
Does anybody have any tips for a good set of after market shocks or will a set of afna shocks mount on this truck????
Please help guys

[renhack]

Thanks fidelio. That made my night!

[thedarkness]

Im pretty sure kyosho shocks will fit as well as ofna.I could be dead wrong tho

[Fidelio]

You ask for pro conversion kit, you get pro conversion kit.

http://www.southeastrc.com/WebImages/200/gsc2007.jpg

$159.99 + $6.95 shipping. In stock @ http://www.southeastrc.com/Items/StdItemView.aspx?lookup=GSC2007&v=13

I didn't personally verify stock status with phone call.

[doesgo]

Nice price! Certainly doesn't do a full pro conversion to all that is "Pro", unfortunately. Doesn't really look like there's anything "pro" about it, does it? I see:
wheels
tires
chassis
mudguards
bumpers
servo tray
shock towers
body mounts
long front shocks and springs
wheel extenders
spur
center diff plate

A bit disappointing, but not surprising. And, other than the wheels and tires, none of it would be bad to have on hand for backup!

[doesgo]

ok this shock thing is pissing me off!!!
Does anybody have any tips for a good set of after market shocks or will a set of afna shocks mount on this truck????
Please help guys
I'm pretty sure you can run the Kyosho rear shocks on all four corners of the SUT. I know Fidelio and others are running Kyosho shocks on their Storm buggies, and the SUT just uses four rear Storm buggy shocks so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I believe a full set will run you $100 or so, however.

[Fidelio]

Doesn't really look like there's anything "pro" about it, does it?
Here's what I see:

wheels
tires
chassis (pro version)
mudguards
bumpers
servo tray (pro version)
shock towers (pro version)
body mounts
long front shocks and springs (maybe pro version)
wheel extenders (pro version)
spur
center diff plate (pro version)

If you only bought the parts i marked as pro versions seperately you'd already be above the price of the conversion, which includes these pro parts and many others.

[doesgo]

Okay, that's cool then. I didn't recognize those parts as the pro version. Pretty hard to tell from that small picture! I was hoping for chassis braces and hinge pin mounts and all that, but like you said, a Pro chassis alone is worth a lot, and adding that other stuff really increases the value.

[BarryH]

Monsterbrad,

The shim under the piston on one of my GS shocks also gave out after only two days of racing. I just built and installed the Kanai III shock set last night and they are really sweet!!!!

Get a couple pairs of the Kyosho Kanai shocks. You will be very happy with them. You will also want to pick up a set of the Kyosho steel shock bushings as fidelio posted earlier in the storm thread.

( I hope to give fidelio a good run for the money this weekend at the track . . . .)

[erikderaaf]

does anyone know if there is an 2 speed available for the SUT?

[Fidelio]

Barry, i'm busy trying to piece together 1 good set of tires out of 4 sets of other racers hand me downs. rims from one, foams from another, tires from another. not sure how it will all work out, but i'm still waiting on tires from cali. :(

they just got 2 sets of crime fighters up at the shop so i might have to buckle but i already gave em my weekly budget yesterday. :(

however, my fioroni rear bulkhead brace is in, so i'll be trying to put you on your wing sunday if i'm behind. ;)

just kidding, but my dynasty has to end sooner or later and given the tires i have, this week looks just as good as any to cave.

[Fidelio]

does anyone know if there is an 2 speed available for the SUT?
not at this time

[BarryH]

AArrrgghhhh!!

I went to the track to practice today and busted a front lower left arm and hub carrier. I have spare arms but not the hub carrier. Just bought some a few days ago on Ebay but they have not yet arrived. So I doubt I'll be running 1/8 unless you might have an extra left front carrier to lend . . . .

I've got plenty of tires if you need a set for sunday. I'll be running electric buggy if nothing else.

BTW - The Kanai shocks work great!! And are pretty durable too! Thanks again for the advice. Also, I need no assistance getting flipped onto my wing - I can do that just fine by myself :D

[Fidelio]

pretty sure i have a set of c-hubs in my box so if we don't get rained out, count on running. jason is also getting rid of his storm stuff and tried to lay his NIB parts on me but i feel set so i politely refused but you might check with him as to c-hubs since he'll have no further need for them. however, if he doesn't have any, i've got you covered.

c-hubs are one thing i don't get off ebay because gs made a rolling change and improved them. no telling if the ebay ones from an rtr kit are the newer or older ones.

[BarryH]

It looks like GS also made a running change and improved the front lower arms as well. The newer one I put on is reinforced in some areas.

I also broke part of my steering arm set. The post that swivels and holds one side of the steering arm, not the servo saver but the other one.

Bent the front shock shaft and the steering arm, but was able to straighten them enough to get thru the weekend. I will have to see what Jason has to unload. Did he sell his storm and go back to on-road only?

[Fidelio]

nope, he got a real sweet deal on new, never run mbx5 from a kid with much more money than grey matter.

i have that left hand steering post as well. :p muahaha, i have it all. i even have extra kyosho shock shafts if that's the one you managed to bend, although i'd rather not part with those if avoidable. steering arm? you mean the drag link? i *think* i have one of those too.

i have too many backup parts for my own good, but as you can see, on sundays i always finish the main. so how much is too much?

anyway, we'll get you sorted out to make sure you can run on sunday.

[Monsterbrad]

Hey guys what are you all running for a steering servo?????
Mine has the stock JR one in it and its not enough
want more
still working on the shock thing
I will see what Mike at Speed Zone Raceway says next week.
Have fun racing guys

[BarryH]

Thanks fidelio! The only bad spare parts are the ones on back-order . . .

Monterbrad, I put a KO PDS-2344 in for my steering servo, it is fast and has mucho turning ability! Still using the stock JR for throttle.

[Fidelio]

i'm using an Airtronics 94358Z. more commonly known as the air 358.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXTT13

[Monsterbrad]

Has anybody tried the new JR one that just came out.
I think its the 645 or something like that.

[Fidelio]

i have not

[Chevy-SS]

Have any of you SUT owners actually raced against MGT's? What kind of results? I am sick of breaking my modified T-Maxx and am looking into either the MGT or the SUT. At my track, they all run in same class.

[Monsterbrad]

Chevy ss
First off the mgt is a monster truck that is heavy and has the tranny and all that.
I am not against the mgt at all but the new losi truck looks better:-)
Any way if you are going to race I would say buy the SUT you will love the handleing over the MGT.
If you plan on pounding the crap out of the truck also and want extra ground clearance then consider the other.
I love the SUT cause its like an 1/8 scale buggy on steroids.
Plus the list of things that can be done to it is getting longer and longer.
oh yeah what ss chevy do you own???

[Chevy-SS]

Monsterbrad,

It's a '68 Camaro SS 427, 4 speed, 3:73 posi, Lunati, SRP, Hooker, etc, etc. I got way too much money invested (or wasted, lol). Last year I put on Accel DFI fuel injection. Crap, that setup alone cost me $6,000. The worst part is, there is no where close by to race and have fun with the thing. They don't let you have no fun anymore, there's too many god d&*%$nd trial lawyers in this country.

IMHO, RC is more fun. At least you can beat the piss out of these things without having to worry about getting arrested.

[doesgo]

I'm with you there, Chevy-SS! I've been into classic Chevys for 19 years now and still love my '72 Nova, but R/C is a ton of fun, and you can still drive yourself home if you break something!

Monsterbrad hit the nail on the head with the SUT vs MGT, too. The SUT probably isn't as tough in a bashing situation (but if you want a great basher, you should get the Savage anyway!), but the SUT is great on the track! At our local track we has SUTs take first and third place in the Unlimited Class a couple weeks ago, and both of the SUTs were piloted by drivers who had never raced them before. Very impressive truck. Much faster than most traditional MTs because of the lower weight of the SUT, too.

[Monsterbrad]

doesgo has a good point about the savage being tough but when it comes time to up grade the steering,pipe,difs.linkages and all that you are looking at major tear down thats why mine is for sale.
I have this truck for bashing and the menace for speed runs.
Love them both

[doesgo]

Yep, the Savage certainly isn't perfect out of the box, but few trucks are. Well, none are. :) I don't mind digging into the Savage though. I wish I could afford to buy yours, I'd love to have a second one!

[Monsterbrad]

Well its at speed zone raceway right now I am trying to sell it there.
I am looking to get around 300 for it.
Has an xr3-i radio airtronics high torque steering servo.
steering up grade new clutch
ribbed pipe from HPI
2 sets of tires stock and maxx mashers
rtr for 300 or so I would say thats fair.
let me know what ya think.

[nitrojunk]

monsterbrad.. e-mail me pics of the storm... tony.martins@bbh.com

[thedarkness]

I think hes(monstrbrad) selling the savage not the storm unlimited.

[doesgo]

Indeed, Monsterbrad likes his SUT quite a bit!

[thedarkness]

doesgo are we gonna see your sut in more slap ma fro vids? Its funny lots of places are out of stock on the suts but almost no one has them(i guess racers dont like to talk about there secret weapon).I used to have 2 0f these but finacial situatons force me to sell my roller for $130(i got as much for my xxx-nt roller sad)

[nitrojunk]

which video is it in?

[doesgo]

SUT roller for $130? Ouch! Man, that really hurts.

We'll be doing a few racing videos this summer and my SUT will be in those for sure, but not much in any jumping/bashing videos anymore since I'm trying to keep my racers away from the bashing scene to promote longevity.

My orange-bodied SUT is in Farm Bash 6, Farm Bash 7 (doing a little jumping!), and Rabid (perfectly executing the triple-double, if I do say so myself!). I'm racing again tomorrow and we'll be filming, so there should be another vid early next week.

[doesgo]

which video is it in?
See above, it's the one with the orange '50s truck body. In Farm Bash 6 it had the stock GS25 engine, and in Farm Bash 7 and Rabid it has an O.S. .21RG engine.

[thedarkness]

Doesgo that line through the triple doubles is perfection musta been a quick lap. I got to load up my cars and go try to race this weekend.My local track isnt really local at all either like a 3 hour drive(long way to drive to get my azz handed to me by Darren-guy who is reviewing the sut pro)

[doesgo]

I don't know, we don't get individual lap times. I probably screwed up somewhere else on the track anyway. :)

Three hours? Sheesh, I should count my blessings, mine's only 15 minutes away! Probably going to rain, though.

I got my shock bladders! Sweet, now I won't have to swap shocks between my SUT and Storm between races tomorrow.

[Monsterbrad]

anybody have problems with the rear drive shafts.
Was doing back flips with the truck sheared the pins off the ball on the ends of the rear drive shafts.
New ones on order already!

[Fidelio]

landing with your engine reved high is bad news for your drivetrain. the difference in speed between your wheels and the ground upon landing should be minimized when possible. if you can't match the speed of your wheels with the speed of your car/truck over the terrain, at least try to not be on the gas so the energy can be dispersed by spinning the clutch bell.

this is one reason we have center differentials and also a reason why 2wd cars have slipper discs, so the energy has a place to go instead of just chewing your drivetrain to bits.

[Monsterbrad]

I know all that gargon
I was just wondering if anybody had blown the drive shafts out of this truck.
Mine has taken a huge beating before they finally gave out.
Pretty cool doing back flips and stuff like that.
I guess thats what I get for doing that kinda stuff.
Oh well
Oh yeah I have 120,000wt in the center diff.

[StormPilot]

Hey Monsterbrad. I am running a Hitec 645 MG for the steering and I moved the stock JR steering servo to the throttle/brake. I have great steering now and the brakes will stop on a dime and give you change. The throttle response has increases greatly.



Darin Gray

[Monsterbrad]

I was thinking that I would try that one or the new one from JR.
I don't remember the numbers for it but its over 100oz and looks like it will work good with the xr3i plus I like to have the same brand in the truck.
I love this truck if you didn't read it earlier I destroyed the rear drive shafts.
while doing a back flip!

[StormPilot]

Yep I read that.

I thought about keeping same brand also. But I like Hitec, The JR one has 120inoz of torque. But it is a little slower.



Darin

[doesgo]

anybody have problems with the rear drive shafts.
Was doing back flips with the truck sheared the pins off the ball on the ends of the rear drive shafts.
New ones on order already!
I've broken one so far, and unfortunately I broke a CVA this past weekend as well. My wallet would much prefer I broke dogbones than CVAs! Holy cow are those expensive!

Say, are there any differences between the front CVAs in a Pro and an RTR?

[Fidelio]

Say, are there any differences between the front CVAs in a Pro and an RTR?

no. :)

[doesgo]

Thanks. Time to hunt eBay or check out Stormer. The prices between the two on CVAs seem to be pretty comparable.

[RONZI]

Ive recently bought an SUT to run at my local track. We run on an asphalt track and Im having trouble with the set up. I cant seem to find a set of road tread tires that wont balloon up real bad on the front. Its very hard to control with the tires ballooning up so bad. Any ideas guys?

[doesgo]

I've heard people recommend a layer or two of duct tape across the tread to minimize ballooning, but I don't like the idea of adding unsprung weight! What weight diff lube are you running?

[RONZI]

I have not changed anything from stock yet other than the steering servo and tires.

[doesgo]

Putting in some diff lube would help tremendously in keeping the inside front tire from ballooning! For off-road use they usually run 10,000/30,000/3,000wt (F/C/R), but I'm not sure how that applies to an on-road situation.

[nitrojunk]

Any idea when the PRO version is coming out? Also an estimated price?

I was thinking of getting one of these to compliment my Savage..

I already bought a Sirio .27 for it...

[RONZI]

Yeah, I saw that recomendation on GS's web site set up sheet. I will give it a try and see as well as change the shock oil to 50wt Ft and 35wt Rear. Thats what they suggest for a smooth track set up. I didnt realize that would affect the ballooning problem.. Thanks for your input.

[garen]

Going over the posts over the past few weeks....most of the questions you guys are asking are answered in the article posted on www.gsracing.com in the Team GS page.

The SUT conversion kit was originally meant for people who wanted to convert a Storm buggy into a Storm truck.

Any ?'s, just email me or anyone at GS.

[Monsterbrad]

Hey guys replaced the broken rear drive shafts with new CVA's
HOLY COW ARE THE EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!
50 bucks jeez
Any how its back running again!
LOVE THIS TRUCK IT AWESOME

[doesgo]

Yeah, they're painfully expensive! Fortunately I just got a pair of fronts off eBay for $20.51. Unfortunately a set of stock Storm wheels and tires cost me $38 (for long life while practicing and engine break-in on pavement and whatnot).

[thedarkness]

Hey nitrojunk you did the same thing i did except my sut got lost in the mail.From what ive heard and seen the stock gs is more than enough to make this thing move.Doesgo put a smaller engine in his.Anyways after mine got lost in the mail it went on back order.I got all angry and told them i want a savage ss instead.Now i fell dumb cause i wanted a sut not a savage.Long story short im in a trade involving my sirio .27 racer,my 2 hpi nitro mt(both hopped right up).And im finnaly gonna get a gs sut.I had a rolling sut chassis for a bit but i sold that off.I think im gonna put the hpi/force 25 and put it in the gs(after it sees dr. dremel first) and the gs 25 in the savage.Then ill have a good basher and racer set up.Wow long stupid post sorry

[doesgo]

The GS25 in a Savage is great! Be sure to run at least a 16-tooth clutch bell, you'll STILL pull wheelies but have a nice top-end, too.

Sorry about your saga, though!

[thedarkness]

The saga just proves how much i like rc.Doesgo did you get you universals from kp rc on ebay? Im gonna need to replace the dogbones(rear) I figure the last owner jumped and landed high on throttle.Tomorow i gotta go pick up some more of the crappy fuel my lhs (local haha its an hour away)stocks.Then i gotta build the ss oh i gotta fun week ahead of me.

[doesgo]

No, they were from "fast*shipping". There are dogbones on eBay quite often for cheap since people upgrade to CVAs, but if that's what you're trying to do....keep your eye out for deals! And you're building a Savage SS kit too? Cool, sounds like fun.

[Monsterbrad]

Yeah where did you guy those CVA'S for 20 bucks man?????
you said ebay but where???

[doesgo]

I just go to the Toys and Hobbies part, then to Radio Control, and do a search for "Storm" and click the heading so it lists the auctions so the soonest to end are listed first. You never know what you'll get, I bid up to $40 on a pair of CVAs a couple days ago and didn't get them, then I got these yesterday for just over $20. Set a price and stick to it. There's always more people parting out RTRs and even Pro kits.

[garen]

Our suggested sale price for front Storm/SUT universals (GS-ST023) is $39.99/pair. We also have a repair kit for the front universals (GS-ST104) which is $23.49/pair. The repair kit includes the pins, dogbone pieces, setscrews, and bushings.

[doesgo]

Thanks for the information, Garen, but do you have any suggestion on where one could purchase the repair kit? Neither Horizon nor Stormer lists that part number, and a Google and AllTheWeb search came up fruitless.

[Fidelio]

wow, that's the first i've heard of the repair kit. that's good news. now if we can just get our hands on some. :)

[BarryH]

Garen,

What is up with the 'general lack of availability' of GS parts???

I have several GS items on backorder with my local hobby shop, a couple different on-line retailers, and another hobby shop across state lines, for two to four weeks now.

The only reliable source seems to be the guys that part-out kits and sell the individual components on Ebay . . . .

[garen]

Barry/Fidelio - We are receiving weekly shipments of parts, with a very large shipment due in the next 10 days or so. I apologize for the recent drop in parts availability. The distribution shift has put some stress on us, but we are working hard to get things back to normal. If your local shop has parts on order, they will receive them as soon as possible. If you need more info, email me.

[Fidelio]

Thanks Garen.

Since the front and rear CV's are different sizes do you have rebuild kits for the rear? or center (cups wallow at the pins)?

[BarryH]

Thanks for the update garen,

I am glad that the issues are more on the demand side than on supply. I'm sure this can be attributed to the growing popularity of the Storm buggy and SUT.

FWIW - In case you guys have any type of sponsorship program, fidelio has done an awesome job of promoting your products. Also in lending assistance, advice, and parts to new drivers. Not to mention his growing dominance of the podium at the local tracks (much to the dismay of all the Kyosho, Mugen, and OFNA drivers with bigger racing budgets . . . .)

[garen]

I normally use the rear cvd's in the front and vice versa...whichever one happens to be in my parts bag, so you can use the front repair kit for the rear. We don't have a repair kit for the center ones though.

[TBone77]

Is the SUT Pro available yet, and if so, what is the street?

Thanks,
Bone

[thedarkness]

So far i think only certain people have been able to get sut pros.there is a guy on ebay who has been trying to sell his for like 2 months now(no one wants to pay $900 for what he has).But im sure garen can answer this question better that me.Altho i have seen the sut pro in person.

[garen]

SUT Pro has been in stock for about 3 weeks. Suggested Sale price is $499.99, actual street price may vary. Email sales@gsracing.com for dealers who have stock now.

[Monsterbrad]

Lets see some pics of this pro truck!
Anybody?????

[Monsterbrad]

anybody know where to find shocks at??????
I have heard a couple of you say that there are some on ebay.
Lookin to replace the fronts.
????????????

[doesgo]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44028&item=5904380649&rd=1

[doesgo]

If that link doesn't work, go to item number 5904380649

There's more at item number 5904387494

Check out this seller's other auctions too, they're parting out RTR SUTs and Storms all the time.

[islandfire71]

I just have some questions regard for the R25MT engine. Does it compatible with roto starter? Will that engine provide enough power for Savage(compare to S25/XTM/picco)?

[doesgo]

I put my R25MT in my Savage and am very pleased with the results! It doesn't rev quite like a Fantom .27 or Picco .26, but it'll pull wheelies and has a pretty decent top end. Go with at least a 16-tooth clutch bell in the Savage.

Oh, and yes you can bolt the RotoStart on it, but you'll need to buy or make a small spacer for it that goes between the start shaft and RotoStart housing. No big deal, OFNA makes the spacer, but I don't know the part number. I just stacked up a couple washers of the correct thickness. Be sure to use the RotoStart backplate that's designed for the Savage too, it puts the socket location in the right spot. All the others won't work because of the bulkhead/shock tower.

www.ofna.com then go to starting equipment, then remote starters (or something like that) to see what they have to offer. Then again, it sounds like you already have a stock Savage 25 RotoStart?

By the way, everything I've read, learned, and experienced tells me the R25MT is the same engine as the XTM 24.7.

[islandfire71]

Thanks doesgo. I do have a roto starter for my savage, but I just screwed up the S25 and bought a new R25MT on ebay($116 shipped to Canada). I know its a not bad engine, but just no idea how "not bad" it is. Anyway, I'm happy to hear that engine perform like XTM and compatible with the roto starter. :)

[doesgo]

Hope you like it!

[TeamDemonSpeed]

well guys, i have a truggy and its suprisingly durable! i have had it over 15 ft in the air at the track and you can control it all the way thru the air and land smoothly. the only complaint that i have is that the rear bones are too sloppy and they like to pop out unless you put a small peice of fuel tubing in the diff outdrive or, upgrade to ofna center shafts.(cheaper than cvd's) they are long enough to compensate for the sloppiness yet still function perfectly. oh yea and something extra....savages cant touch the truggy even with .27's or hyper 8 ports.

[HaiSpeedRaCer]

hey guys..i just bought a stock gs storm unlimited FM radio(B-T1 FM 27mhz) from one of the guys that are parting out on ebay and was wondering how good is it for a stock radio?i'm switching from AM and just wanted to know how much better it is when it comes to range/distance and glitchiness and what servo plugs will fit into the reciever(futaba,airtronics?) thanks for any input..

[califax]

Hey guys,

I'm getting my Storm SUT this week. I can't wait. I did alot of commission to pay for it so I will be very appreciative of it. Now considering what everyone has been saying I look forward to owning one myself solely for racing. I'll let you guys know how I do my first day. I was also wondering what I should expect in terms of jumping capabilities on the SUT? Anyone got any big air tales? Anyhow does the pro kit add speed by reducing weight or does it make the SUT easier to handle?

[doesgo]

As for jumping, the SUT is VERY responsive to throttle/brake input when it's in the air, so be careful. It's essentially a buggy, but with a lot more mass on each corner, and controlling that mass is what allows you to control the pitch of the vehicle. That torquey R25MT engine, good brakes, and the overall low weight of the truck make it really easy to toss it around, and easy to over-correct.

But it IS fun! :)

As far as I know, the Pro parts make the vehicle more durable, but don't significantly affect the weight of the vehicle.

[Monsterbrad]

Its also easy to pull back flips.
I love that about the truck plus how durable it is.
I broke the stock rear drive shafts from landing with the power on but I changed those around to the cv style ones and they seem tougher.
Still need to change the shocks
I was thinking about 9.5 ofna shocks!
Anybody tried these yet?????

[doesgo]

My SUT is ovaling at least one of the rear arm mount screw holes in the RTR chassis. It appears the Pro chassis is exactly the same shape and size, but made of a tougher alloy and hard-coated. Does anyone know if this additional material toughness help avoid ovaling the mount holes? I've already broken three or four mount screws in three different locations on the rear arm mounts and now the ovaling, and this from only two race days (the second of which consisted of one five-minute qualifier before I broke a CVA) and some practice time. I'm not the greatest driver to say the least, but it's not like I'm launching this thing off buildings, either. Just track time. Frustrating, to say the least.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, I've got a spare new RTR chassis and a spare new Pro chassis in my Storm/SUT parts pile, but if this is going to be the norm I'm not sure it's worth it. Steering drag link aside, my Storm buggy has held up perfectly to one full day of racing and a few days of good practice time, I'm guessing that literally all of my SUT problems are related to the significant additional leverage placed on the vehicle by the weight and offset of the monster-truck wheels/tires. How well do other truggies hold up in this area? If better than the SUT, why?

[doesgo]

Regarding my last post, will the GS-STP38 GS Machined Aluminum Hinge Pin Support Kit add enough torsional strength to reduce the load on the arm mount screws?

Can you use the Fiorni hinge pin kit with the Pro chassis or do you need a Fiorni chassis for that? I certainly wouldn't mind getting rid of the mounting blocks.

[Monsterbrad]

I too have had problems with this truck but its so easy to work on!!!!!
The steering drag link stock is a drag but I am going to up date my own in the machine shop with a new steel suport.
I had it at the BMX track last night that was the first thing to bend then I lost the air cleaner what a bummer took in some dirt and water but the engine seems to be ok I hope.
I also lost a steering screw that holds the post in on the top brace.
Probably from not having ant thread lock on it.
Other than that the truck was pretty good trying to get back flips off the big camel back was fun landing some and crashing hard on the lid the rest of the time.
The menace might get turned into new engine and pro stuff for the sut.
You guys want a truck that breaks alot but the menace.
WOW that thing is bad

[Fidelio]

doesgo:

yes

no

[erikderaaf]

i'm propably going to buy an sut rtr next week

i saw that the pro has 2 dual disc brakes, is this also available as an option for the rtr?

[Fidelio]

you would need:
Part Number: GS-ST045 Brake Pad (10) $5.99
Part Number: GS-ST044 Brake Plate (2) $3.99
Part Number: GS-ST043 Brake Disc, Steel (2) $3.99

for the center caliper you want pads on both sides. so you'd have in the brake stack for one side a caliper/pad | disc | pad/caliper/pad | disc | pad/caliper.

you'll also need a slightly longer screw to hold it all together to account for the extra width of the second set of discs and the additional pad/caliper in the center.

it's easy to setup and will help with brake fade. i've found on my buggy it doesn't really give me more braking power, but is much more consistent from the beginning of the race to the end.

[erikderaaf]

ok, i see the uprade is nothing different than an extra set of brake discs and calipers,
but this upgrade takes some space, so am i going to have difficulties with the shafts that come out the center diff, with the drive dogbones in it?

or is it just a fit?

[Fidelio]

the center diff outdrives have no problem accomodating the extra set of discs or pads. no problems with dogbones either.

the biggest problem you'll have is getting the alignment of the pads and discs together during assembly, it's a bit fiddly. you'll see what i mean when you try it. it's not a big deal or anything, just takes a try or two. kinda like getting clutch springs on, it's a pain until you have practice.

[doesgo]

Thanks Fidelio. My SUT's ovaled mount screw hole held up to a couple tanks of not-holding-back on my personal track before something locked up inside the clutch bell and the truck wouldn't move. When I push it, it forces the engine to turn over. Anyway, I hadn't driven it in about three weeks....what a blast! That thing really screams and is SO stable.

I also ran several tanks through my Storm buggy and had an absolute blast with it. The SUT is big and brutal, the Storm is nimble and precise in comparision. And both are a ton of fun to drive. I put an RB 086 pipe on my used Storm RTR engine and man, it sure woke it up! I mean, it's not WS7II or anything, but I was absolutely thrilled. Sounds a ton better, too.

Back to the races this Saturday, looking for some more trophies for GS Racing!

[Fidelio]

your clutch problem is 1 of 3 things:

1. broken clutch spring
2. toasted bearing
3. loose pilot nut

none of which are a big deal or pricey to fix. glad you're having fun. :)
myself and my lhs/track owner are making a new kick arse track but the rain has been killin us. hopefully i'll be able to get racing again soon on the new, bigger layout. if only it would stop raining.... i'll post pics when it's done.

here's what it looked like (sans jumps) before the rain started. it has jumps now, but unfortunatly it also has a ton of rain ruts.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/206/206511/folders/148691/1110038tfbconstruction.jpg

[doesgo]

Looks like a challenging track! Be sure to post some updated pics when you get it finished up and repaired from the rain.

I'm not too concerned about the clutch problem, I should have enough spare parts to get me going again. At least I hope so!

[Monsterbrad]

Hello I was wondering what you guys think about this deal!!!
I bought a almost new roller SUT with everything except radio.
I hope this was a good deal I paid almost 500 for my first truck.

[doesgo]

What deal? I don't quite understand.

[Monsterbrad]

I have gotten to know the owner of
SPEED ZONE RACEWAY in TN.
he sold it to me for that deal.
Pretty good don't ya think.
I have 2 of these trucks now but one will probably get turned into a parts truck.

[PhsykoManMKAO]

wow. just got my storm. loving it. the battery box is to cramped. so i think im going to take that out and just use a few zip ties. put a motor savers air filter on it, since the stock one was kinda skimpy. i alos got a fioroni air filter for a spare. i got the .21 cvec pipe on it. god that thing sounds wierd. but amazing difference in performance. almost can wheelie. if i throttle before a bump and peg it i can ride out a wheelie with it.
still have stock tires, also got a set of velocity rims with bowties and a set of 40 series with streat tires. with a bit of cutting a 200mm body looks good on it, but id only recommand that for onroad use since when it bottoms out the tires do still touch and if i cut anymore it will look butchered. a 190mm body will look nice also and tmaxx bodies also fit good. i got a better throttle servo since the other one crapped out i'm using an xr2i and will be replacing the steering servo here shortly.

does it hurt the driveline any to disconnect the front dogbone and look off the outdrive so all the power goes to the rear wheels? just want to see if it will wheelie with all power going to the rears.

this truck is insane on the jumps. it shoots straight and long. a minimal tap to the break or throttle is all it takes to kick the nose up or down. the short wheel base is my cup of tea. i just love this truck. having a bit of trouble getting the r25 to pullstart, but it starts right up on a bump start. it idles very well.

it seems like its running really rich, spitting out tons of smoke, yet it runs fine and if i lean it much it seems like it starves for fuel when you flog it (give it full throttle) i'm very impressed at the speed and its running at 210 on a 80 degree day, and im not to light on the throttle :cool:

need to do a little break adjustment, right now it doesnt have the stopping power im used to.

this thing is just about bomb proof. was running in the yard and looked away for a second and at about 30mph rammed into a cement block. only a scratch on the bumper.

man i love hitting the tripple on my uncles track with this thing. it is an amazing track truck and basher. durable and agile.

the r25 engine is a rtr beast especially with the cvec pipe on it.

for future knowledge what engine would be better for it.. the fantom 21 or 27?

i'll post pics by the end of the week.

what hop ups do you guys recommend? im getting sway bars on it for sure, they seem to help alot on the buggies, and they just look cool.

my setup is long wheel base. middle on top and bottom stock springs and 35 weight in the front. in the back i have middle top and bottom with 25 weight and stock springs. seems to be working ok. oh yea, stock pistons in the shocks also.

edit: the rear right dog bone popped out. so i put a couple o-rings behind the bone in the out drive. did it to both sides and worked like a charm, havent had the problem since.

edit2: the r25 and the cvec pipe set on torque with stock gearing is amazing. theres so much torque it just pulls the truck to one side on take-off.

track ability: 95/100 (stock tires dont do well in the dirt)
bashing ability: 90/100 ( thing is like a rock, the coupler you stick the body clip through broke off the radio box)
power: 90/100 (amazing for an rtr. good torque and an amazing top speed.)
adjustability: 95/100 (could of used a set of sway bars, but the droop screws were a nice suprise to find.)

[PhsykoManMKAO]

anybody have problems with the rear drive shafts.
Was doing back flips with the truck sheared the pins off the ball on the ends of the rear drive shafts.
New ones on order already!
yep. i noticed mine before they sheared off. put a few o-rings behind the bone in the outdrive

[doesgo]

I noticed that too, when the bone is all the way in the diff outdrive at full droop, the dogbone pin is actually out of the axle stub slot!

No, you can't pull any dogbones on this truck thanks to the three diffs. If you locked the center diff with JB Weld or Silly Putty it might work to be only RWD, but as long as there's only grease or diff lube in the center diff, you need to have all four wheels putting the power down.

Watch out for broken arm mount screws. I've broken abou