HB Lightning RR Forum v3.0

[kyoshofan420]

Thanks for the info guys. The battery tray does seem weak. I just really liked the feel of the 2PL, but the MX-3 has the FM which seems to get rid of glitching. I appreciate the offer, but I like getting stuff new. I mean no offense:)

[kyoshofan420]

For the questions on set-up, I use 40wt front and rear, with OFNA blue springs front and back. For the diffs, I use 5000 front, 7000 center, and 1000 rear. I like this set up because it allows the front end to pull more, and the suspension is firm, but not stiff. Hope this helped:)

[Jeff Cain]

Originally posted by kyoshofan420
Thanks for the info guys. The battery tray does seem weak. I just really liked the feel of the 2PL, but the MX-3 has the FM which seems to get rid of glitching. I appreciate the offer, but I like getting stuff new. I mean no offense:)

Hey no prob bro.

As far as setups, I'll just opy and paste my setup page:


Chassis-So far I've been using the standard shock mounting and camber locations. My track's fairly rough, so I'm not using the down stops. In addition, I'm running the standard 56mm rear toe plate, and about 3 degrees of toe out on the front. Both swaybars are connected, and ride height is dogbones level.


Differentials-Pretty standard stuff here:

5K in the front
7K in the center
1K in the rear


Shocks- The shocks are great as they come from the factory. Nothing wrong with the stock springs, I just didn't like the yellow color. Right now I'm using Ofna blue springs all around (very close in spring rate, Ofna part # 40071), with 40wt oil in the front and 35wt oil in the rear.

[Jeff Cain]

Muddy, it's worth a shot, but kind of a financial risk. IN THEORY it should work...

[tpeep]

Just wanted to say thanx for everyone replying

[tpeep]

Starting my Lightning is a pain with my box I was wondering if I could use the Roto Start to start it. Currently I have a Omega .25 in it. What do you guys think?

[cbr74]

Hmm.. Omega .25... I've never seen one of those. If it's a Force based engine then the roto-start will work assuming it's already a pullstart engine.

[tpeep]

It's not a pullstart engine. What fo I have to do to make it a pullstart then put on the roto start?

[VMach]

Lets see, new crank, backplate, onway bearing pullstarter and I think thats it. After you buy that stuff you could have bought a new engine.

[tpeep]

thankx VMach

[geo8498]

I think it's best to stay with the starter box. It's preferable to have a non-pull start setup. Is the problem with the box actually being able to turn over the engine, or do you just not like toting it around? The batteries may not be fully charged on the box. Or the batteries may be old. Also check the tension on the drive belt.

If the box otherwise can't turn the engine over, the engine may be flooded. The box is still doing you a favor if the engine is flooded and it's not forcing it to turn over. The roto start won't slip and may do damage to an engine that is hydro locked. That is if the gears don't strip out on the starter. I've heard of that happening on the rotostart.

Is it a new engine? If so, it may just need to be broken in. New engines always have alot of compression that may be hard on the box. If the engine is new and has alot of compression, loosen the glow plug a little to get the starter box to crank. As the engine warms up, the parts will expand and loosen up enough.

[tpeep]

The box turns over my 1/8 buggy fine when the batteries are fully charged, the instance that they're not fully charged it's a challenge. I guess I'll stay with the box and keep on just griping :D
Thanks, Geo8498

[Jeff Cain]

If indeed you meant to say batteries ie plural, you can do yourself a $20 favor and get a gel cell for it. They crank harder and longer. Like a 7000 MAh capacity.

[Jeff Cain]

Oh yeah and happy new year peeps. w00t!

[RobertH]

I'm sure most of you guys have seen the Storm MT that's basically a Storm Buggy with Monster Truck trimmings. You have to admit that it looks pretty darn cool and ground clearance would be nice for bashing.

Anyway, I saw that someone makes a MT conversion for the Mugen MBX4:

http://jtracingproducts.com/mivaroot/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/JT0055.jpg
http://jtracingproducts.com/miva?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=JRP&Product_Code=JT0055&Category_Code=MBXXR

I don't suppose anyone has come up with a product like this for the Lightning Pro yet? It would be a cool thing to try, but somethings you just can't do on your own. You have to gear it down hard for the big tires and that mean a spur gear the size of a saucer... well ok smaller than that, but you know what I mean.

Any ideas?

Also, I think I can page back and read this info, but I was curious when might the Lightning 2 Pro hit stores?

[kyoshofan420]

I have seen someone put some monster tires on the LP, and it worked really well. You might be better off getting a Lightning Street because of the longer chassis, and 2-speed that is included and adding buggy arms and Dominators wheels. It would be expensive though.

[RobertH]

The biggest problem I was thinking about was gearing. In order to turn those huge tires, you have to be geared low. The conversion kit I posted comes with a huge spur gear. It's so big that they have the center diff assembly up on blocks and they made a special center diff plate that has a whole for the huge gear.

Putting MT tires on a buggy is just down right silly without the proper gearing.

[maddmaxx45]

Hey, whats up every one,
Im not exactly new to r/c but my Lightning Pro is my first real 1/8 scale buggy, and I had a question, is it ok if I filled the diffs, front:10k, center:30k, Rear:60K
Please post some responses, I just want to make sure its ok

[maddmaxx45]

Hey, whats up every one,
Im not exactly new to r/c but my Lightning Pro is my first real 1/8 scale buggy, and I had a question, is it ok if I filled the diffs, front:10k, center:30k, Rear:60K
Please post some responses, I just want to make sure its ok

[cbr74]

Youch.... 60K in the rear? That's gonna push like a Mack truck.

[maddmaxx45]

is anythin bad gona happen to the diffs,
also.....could somone please refresh me on how different weight oils in the diffs affect preformance

[Tim'sLosi]

Originally posted by maddmaxx45
is anythin bad gona happen to the diffs,
also.....could somone please refresh me on how different weight oils in the diffs affect preformance

Yea...Is there a good article on this? I know the heavier the weight oil, the more "locked" the diff action is.

[maddmaxx45]

Hey, I just got another question, and I would hope I could get some of ur opinions on the stock engine, HPI says its got 2.3 hp at 38,000 and that sounds accurrates, but how do u guys think it preforms, and what mods could I make to suit the engine to the buggy, short of getting a new engine

[Casey]

I've got a Lightning Pro and my Dad's got a Lightning RR. My experience with the stock engine is as follows. I'm pretty sure it does NOT put out 2.3 hp. Both of our engines were a breeze to break in, easy to start, will idle through a whole tank of fuel, and overall run beautifully. They definitely lack low-end punch, but once the RPMs get up there it moves along pretty good. If you're going to be racing you'll probably want to opt for an engine with more power. In my opinion the stock engine is just fine for general fun and bashing, but there are always those people that can never get enough power.

When I first started racing my Lightning Pro it still had the stock engine. Most of the guys I was racing against were running Mugens and Kanai 7.5s with expensive "race" engines. But week after week, I was beating them. Even now I've only got an old 4-port Hyper .21 in my Lightning and still beat those guys. So remember, having a high HP, high dollar engine isn't the only key to running well. You have to be able to drive, too.:)

[cbr74]

Yeah, what Casey said. hehe

The stocker is just a re-worked P-4 like the Savage 21 used to come with. It isn't a powerhouse, but just like a P-4 it runs reliably and has enough power to get used to the buggy with.

When you feel the need for more power, you can step up to an 8 port Hyper or beyond. I personally run a 7 port Paris Picco XP geared one tooth over stock on the bell and it is a sick machine.

As for diffs... the thicker the fluid, the slower the diff action. HB recommends 5k/10k/1k as a starting point. That is what I run and it feels just right to me.
10k/30k/60k is going to handle like a brick. You'll have a ton of power at the rear wheels that will either push you into the boards or kick the rear end out on you depending on traction.

[maddmaxx45]

what would happen if I swiched the diffs so I was running 60k in the front, 30k in the center, and 10k in the rear

[Casey]

Originally posted by maddmaxx45
what would happen if I swiched the diffs so I was running 60k in the front, 30k in the center, and 10k in the rear


Well, first off you can't switch the center diff with either the front or rear. A center diff can only be a center diff. Even by switching the fluids around, those are so thick it's gonna drive like cr@p. Just put the correct weight diff juice in there and enjoy.:)

[Apis]

Do not put light diff oil in the center. The rule of thumb is, lighter the Center diff is, more power to the front tires. 3000 is really light. Just use 5/10/1 and you will be fine.

[tpeep]

Hey fellas,
What wing & bodies do you guys use?

[KandL Racing]

I use the Koyosho 7.5 body (Proline) and I have been using the Koyosho Wings, but waiting for the new ProLine wings to actually make it out. Got some on order, but they haven't been "released" yet I guess.

[Tim'sLosi]

I use either the stock, unpainted HB or the ones for the Kyo 7.5 fit also. Pro-line makes a nice 7.5 body.

[Casey]

I've been using the Kyosho wings and wheels, but I'm going to switch over to the new Pro-Line wings and Wabash wheels and dye them. That will save a couple dollars.

As for bodies, I started out with a couple of stock Lightning Pro bodies that I washed the stock paint off of and then repainted, then went to a Pro-Line Crowd Pleaser for the Kyosho, and my latest body is the Trinity Wasp for the Kyosho. So far, I like the Wasp the best.

[geo8498]

I get GS wings which are only $8.99 at Hobbytown. that's cheaper than what I was paying for OFNA wings. The GS wings are very durable, and fit well.

[Tim'sLosi]

Has anyone replaced the metal bushings in the bellcranks with bearings? The manual says 6X10 bushings, is that the size of bearing that will fit?
Thanks! Tim

[VMach]

yeap 6x10 bearing is the size you need.

[Tim'sLosi]

Originally posted by VMach
yeap 6x10 bearing is the size you need.
So you have done it and it will work? Just want to make sure b4 buying the bearings. Thx

[CRSMP5]

a commint off a different forum.. i need clarification guys.. i know people use this.. need to know why he says it will not fit..

this is bull a os .21 rgx cant fir in this car, this car is a pos

supposedly the mount does not work.. so guys tell me..

[cbr74]

The O.S. RGX uses a goofy header (a $37 goofy header) and a huge pullstart.

If I had a guess, it's the pullstart that's the problem. It protrudes so far below the crankcase that the Lightning engine mounts are probably too short for it.

[Casey]

Does anyone know if the stock engine's carb is a direct fit onto a Hyper .21?

[charlesd]

I'm not 100% sure, but i don't think it does. (unless hot bodies is using different engines in the u.s.) I'm in Canada.

I tried that with my savage engine when my hyper 21 8 port had a carb problem and it would not fit.

I beleive from reading these forums that the engine that comes with our Lightnings is exactly the same engine as the Hpi Savage. If i put both my engines side by side, i can't tell the difference except for the writing on the head.

[Tim'sLosi]

The 21BB carb will not fit the Hype 21. I know this because I bought a new Hyper 21 carb to replace the stock 21BB carb and it is too big in diameter. Bummed me out.

[maddmaxx45]

Hey all my Lighting loving compadres, I have a few questions, do u guys no of anywhere to get a set up sheet for the Lightning, and also, do u guys have any good set ups.
Thanx alot

[NoRotorLS1]

When will the Pro 2 be available?

[tpeep]

Does anyone have the LP2 I'm thinking of getting the LP2 for racing and using my LP1 strictly for bashing. If anyone has any experience with the LP2 pleaw post!

[cbr74]

Only person I know of with an LP2 is Travis Amezcua. Us normal folks can't get one yet.

[CRSMP5]

im getting the few parts to upgrade my lp1..

[RobertH]

For those that don't know the carb from the OS RG (20E) is a direct fit on the Hyper 8-port.

Also the fact that the pullstart OS RG doesn't fit in the Lightning isn't a big deal. You have to mod storm buggies too for sure -- possibly others. That's why god made the Dremel. :D

[XJ667]

Guy I need alittle help! I am looking at my first 1/8 scale buggy. I have read some of your post on the car. I am leaning towards the lighting pro. A buddy of mine is getting the hyper 7 and is trying to talk me into it. We will be doning some local racing on a pretty big open track.

Can you guys tell me is there any advantage to the hyper 7 over the lighting or lighting over hyper7? The lhs here carries the cars in stock so parts should be a problem to order for either car.

Thanks for any help
Mark

[toddzilla]

the pro handles better from what i know, the hyper is a good buggy but needs aluminum front knuckles to be durable (60 bucks)

there are like 4 different hyper7 models too..

pro
rtr
pcr
pbs

[Apis]

I have a Lightning and have been racing it for the last two years. In my opinion, don't get the lightning or the Hyper 7. Get the Swift. Here are some pics and the website. I saw it at the shop about a month ago and then say it on the track yesterday. It is a kick ass buggy. It has a faster engine then the lightning, carbon fiber parts, 6 CV joints, PBS, and much more adjustments. It looks like the mugen MBX 5. Over the weekend, we had a head on crash with the swift against a Savage. The Swift riped through the Savage totalling the savage. The shock tower, bumber, chassis, diff case, shocks, etc... on the savage was destroyed. The swift, no damage. It was a most exciting crash with parts all over the track. That is when everyone at the track took a second look at the swift. We are all very impressed with the swift.

http://www.happytimehobby.com/cars/index.html

I am going to sell my crappy lightning and get a swift. I recommend you all do the same.

[cbr74]

Well.. the Hyper 7 costs more and.. oh yeah.. it costs more. LOL

Let's compare Pro to Pro... don't even consider the RTR versions of either buggy, the Pros are much better value.

The H7 Pro does have a few more features than the LP. It has rear CV's, quad brakes, an external fuel filter, and a $30 tool set.
It also includes an optional Torsen center differential and a carrying bag. Street price about $440.

Now the LP... 3mm hard anodized 7075 chassis, 4mm 7075 shocktowers, and 7075 steering knuckles. Includes an engine.
Street price about $290.

So now consider what each buggy will need to get running. Both will require a radio. At that point, the LP can hit the dirt and go. But the H7 still needs an engine....

So you get them both running... both are great fun. But the LP owner has spent about $300 less then the H7 owner.

And here is where every LP owner will tell you the same thing... (well, except for apis apparently LOL)there is no better buggy for the $ than the LP.

[cbr74]

I am going to sell my crappy lightning and get a swift.

I gotta admit, the Swift does look appealing, but just because it anihilated a Savage is not enough to convince me of its superiority over the LP.

It has an SH engine... know who else SH makes engines for? Megatech. Anyone here owned an M-16? Anyone here have an M-16 last more than two gallons?

I tell you what I really like about the Swift... the included MX-3. In the realm of budget FM radios, the MX-3 is king IMO.

With a street price of $450, the Swift is definitely up there in the value category with the LP but I want some long term reviews on the Swift before I change my mind about what buggy is the budget king.

[cbr74]

And just to add fuel to the fire... I've borrowed a couple comments from another board...

"A guy at the local track had a brand new swift, after 5 tanks he broke a steering knuckle and blew the rear diff to pieces, its kinda funny since I've never seen a buggy break at our track.

I don't think he was to happy as he's a veteran racer, I would demand my money back...."

"Okay guys, I have one of the Swift buggies and like it very much. The SH engine is only so so."
"it handles better than the Hyper"
"There are a few areas that need changing and those are the shock shafts as well as the hinge pin mounts, both are weak areas"
"So far I really like the Swift and I plan on racing it in place of the Hyper 7. I may even sell the Hyper"

[XJ667]

I got to admit the SWIFT with the carbon fiber looks good.But there is no history with the car. And at $150 more than the LP you could buy one heck of a nice radio.

Apis, I dont know much about the Savage other than what a friend has told me about his. But from what hes told me I could take the old Losi LXT in the basement and hit the savage head on and total it with no damage to the losi . It seem like a pretty weak truck to me.

cbr, I was only looking at the pro version in both cars. What other engines can you swap into the LP? I seen where yuo posted on some other site the koysho parts are interchangeable which is nice to know too.

Does the PBS make that much difference in the handling of the car?

[XJ667]

CBR just seen your other post doesnt give high hopes for the SWIFT.

[cbr74]

The LP can handle just about anything you care to throw at it engine wise. I run a 7 port Picco XP in mine.

[XJ667]

Apis, are you running the pro version or the RTR version? If it the pro version and its a POS. Send me some pics of it and I might buy it of ya. I would give ya $100 buck seeing it a POS.

CBR do you have to modify the mounts for the new engine or is it a direct fit.

[cbr74]

It dropped right in, no mods. I used stock clutch and engine mounts.

[XJ667]

thanks CBR you been a great help.

I talked to another friend that sells hobby supplies. He can get me the pro for like 295.00 + tax. So I figure thats better than ordering on the net. No shipping cost.

unless apis wants to less his for $100 then I will just buy his if its a pro.

[maddmaxx45]

Hey all my Lighting loving compadres, I have a few questions, do u guys no of anywhere to get a set up sheet for the Lightning, and also, do u guys have any good set ups.
Thanx alot

[Casey]

I've never seen a set-up sheet for a Lightning. Here'a link to a blank set-up sheet for a Kyosho. All of the suspension mounting holes are identical except for the rear camber linkage holes on the shock tower. Should be good enough to use for the Lightning. There are also set-up sheets for a few pro drivers.

http://www.nitrocross.com/setups/nxsetup.pdf

http://www.nitrocross.com/setup.htm

[maddmaxx45]

Thanx alot dude, peace...

[VMach]

Anybody else see that tower hobbies has the pro 2? It's $499 w/o motor!

[maddmaxx45]

Hey, what does the lighting pro 2 have that the Lightning Pro doesn't, are their any drastic new features that warent the 325 dollar price hike (cuz ur not gettin an engine), or did Hot Bodies just realize that people will pay more for the buggy??

[cbr74]

http://members.aol.com/ytownfreeman/rc/hb/lp2.jpg

[CRSMP5]

:D i really need to finish up my set of webpages one day...

thsi forum disables links after a point in time though.. :rolleyes:

http://members.aol.com/ytownfreeman/rc/hb/lp2.jpg

so ill just post the pic.. feel free to hot link to it as much as ya want..

[maddmaxx45]

$$$$760,:confused: what gives, I dont really see anything that is worth that much in there, if u do, please feel free to point it out to me

[Casey]

Got my latest issue of RC Driver and Hot Bodies actually has a full-page ad for the Lightning 2 Pro(page 55).

I also saw a few sets of packaged Hot Bodies brand pre-mounted buggy tires on dish rims up on Ebay. Maybe HB is finally stepping up and going to take this buggy seriously.

[cbr74]

Interesting that they don't say anything about the chassis... our LP's have the hard ano'ed 7075 chassis... what does the L2 have?

[Casey]

cbr74 - I think the new chassis is coated with the same stuff as Travis Amezcua's hair. :D Probably impervious to damage of any sort.

[cbr74]

Bwahahaahahahahaha

[Ferrari_Spyder]

hey i finally registered for this site after 6 months of trying to get the activation email. lol okay i have read maybe 80% of this whole thread bak to when it way started. so i want a pro for sure i already had my agonizingly painful experience with my first rtr the ofna 9.5. i heard swifft has a pro but the swift rtr may be the only rtr i give a chance to because it includes the radio that i am gunna buy anyways. so my options are basically:

lightning pro 1 and 2
swift rtr and pro

right now i would never consider getting a swift unitl i heard more positive things anout it because i have heard as many people hate it as people that love it

just realized the ligthning pro2 doesnt have an engine and if i was to buy an engine i was going to get something in the cheap range anyways and i havent heard that the pro2 parts are much better than the pro1 so i am %75 sure i will end up with the pro1 an airtronics mx3 and a cool steering servo

any objections? if you own a swift please speak good things of it now or dont expect me to buy one.

if you see good things on the pro2 that make it worth my money than also speak up now

anyways id just like to say this is a great forum from what i have seen.

thx, kevin

[blemaxx]

ok I need your help will this fit the pro?http://www.ratzas.net/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=31_41&products_id=394&osCsid=a77ba2c111096832d6a80a96e30eb4eb
or do you know what lunsford ones fit?

[cbr74]

The Lightning uses
(4) 4X76mm
(2) 3X49mm
(2) 3X46mm
(2) 3X38mm

That's the inner and outer lower hingepins and the front upper inner hingepins.

The rest of the Lightning hinge points are 3mm screws through ball links.

[kyoshofan420]

Ferrari_Spyder,
Both the Swift and Lightning appear to be good cars. There are some differences between the Lightnings. The Pro 1 comes with an engine and exhaust system, the Pro 2 doesn't come with a engine. I am not sure on the exhaust. Someone said that that the Swift is new and it could have hidden problems. It will mainly depend on part support in area and how much you are willing to spend. Good luck on your purchase:)

[Apis]

Personally, I think the swift is the better car. The problem isn't which car is better though, it's what happens when something breaks. If you read back far enough, everyone loved the lightning (and still do) but we hated Hot Bodies cause we couldn't get Parts. I even bought cars and sold the parts on Ebay last summer. Swift is going to have to same problem. If you look at all the stores that are going to be selling the swift, you will quickly realize that Power Racing is going to have a hard time supplying all the stores with cars, let alone parts.

The swift is an impressive car. Lots of parts that or better then the LP like 6 CVD, Carbon Fiber, Radio, Lay down Servo, PBS, 4 Disc Brakes, More adjustibility, and parts interchangible with Mugen. I have found a shop that will sell it for 425.

Larry's Performance RC
(586) 997-4840

The Lightning is a great car. I don't need to describe the LP since you already am familiar with it. The most interesting thing about the LP over the Swift, is that you can pick one up on Ebay, new for about 200, if you wait. 250 or 300 if you need it now. Also, lots of people are selling their LP so they can get the LP2. I have seen lots of parts for the LP on ebay also. these are all advantages to getting the LP, but do not improve the performance. This point is my biggest pet peeve, I want after market parts for the LP and no one makes them.

The Moral of my story is three fold,

1 - If you want a better car for the price, get the swift.
2 - If you want a great price for a good car, get the lightning.
3 - If you are unsure, Just wait three months till the beggining of summer and see what happens with the LP2 and the Swift.

also, chech out
http://www.rcnitrotalk.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=10630

it was some good stuff

[cbr74]

Horizon has the entire parts listing for the Lightning, parts should no longer be a problem.

Personally, I never had any problem getting parts for my LP through RcBoyz or Ricky's R/C

and parts interchangible with Mugen.

Have you personally verified this?

[Ferrari_Spyder]

thanks apis for the info

okay with the swift rtr are the rtr part the same or better quality then the lightning pro?

i have eliminated the lightning pro2 because it looks as tho it will be atleast $350 for a while w/out an engine

has anybody seen the swift pro?

also it took almost a year for parts for the lightning pro to come in, i dont think i want to have to deal with that for the new swift.

it looks as tho i will be gettin the lightning pro over the swift rtr right now

[Ferrari_Spyder]

http://www.racing-cars.com/newsdetails.asp?itemId=NP59

well ok there is no swift pro- just found this at shumacher it is an arr that is the same thing with no radio which is useless for me since i want the mx3

[Ferrari_Spyder]

k im assuming the swift rtr comes with the same servos that come with the mx3 right? not anything great so if i get it ill use the steering servo for a backup throttle and ill buy a steering servo that can do its job.

well either way i will need a new steering servo and im overwhelemed by futaba line of servos

anybody know how to categorize them?

also how long do servos last?
if they last less then two years i dont think i will be needing a super great one cus ill suk at driving in my first two years.

im assuming they last atleast 3 years or so but the more they last the more i will be willing to pay for a great one.

if they last 5 years say ill put a max of $100 into it

[Apis]

Just to clarify, I didn't mean you can't get parts for the lightning now, I just meant when the car first came out, you couldn't. The biggest reason why parts for the lightning where hard to come by and why I parted cars out on ebay last summer was because the ship transporting the parts sank. Now there are lots of shops online selling the parts, even on Ebay.

Power Racing is on the ball and have all the parts for the Swift at

http://www.atlashobbies.com/8th_off_road/8th_prp_swift/swift_parts.htm

As for the Mugen parts, here is a quote

"Well I was in the pit until yesterday, I couldn't wait for my parts to come in so I went and bought a rear lower arm for the mbx5 and a front suspension arm for the mbx5. Had to do a little mr wizard cutting and drilling but I'm up and running, it's amazing how close the two are. "

I will admint that for 200 bucks on ebay, you can buy a really good radio, or even save money for a new engine.

But I will stick to my guns, the better car is the swift, not the lightning.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

lol i thought that ship sinking was just a joke?

anyways i saw the atlas website.

just wondering, my price range restriction on the l2 is not firm. if someone convinces that it is worth it ill go for it.

i think it is hilarious what rc does to you, one moment i swear to myself to never buy another rtr in my life and now look?!

so for 450 the swift is $60 more than the L1+mx3 u guys seem to think it is definitely worth it right, but i have doubts about this mystery engine, how is the engine apis?

[cbr74]

It's an SH engine... same company that makes engines for Megatech... draw your own conclusions.

OK... so Mugen parts fit with a little Mr. Wizard cutting and drilling... LOL

[CRSMP5]

the pro 1 is very competitive as is.. the mods the pro2 has is not much differance and can be fabbed into the pro 1 prety easily..

[maddmaxx45]

ok, heres what im thinkin....the gimicks (i.e. Carbon Fiber, Mx3) that PRP put into the swift will be what first gets people to buy it. As people buy it, It will begin to be priced more around 5 or 6 hundread dollars, and then, as people find out the flaw, such as the so called "compition" SH engine (isnt that an oxymoron, member the kyosho GS-21R, that was a compititon engine too) than people will become un happy, and find that their wont be alot of parts support, what so u guys think.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

just wondering...

how can an mx3 be a gimmick, i mean it IS an mx3. i can understand puting carbonfiber in the wron places to make it seem cool maybe, but then again no, why would they waste money putting carbon fiber where it doesnt matter just to say they have carbon fiber in it when they could just as easily put carbon fiber where it is needed. and even in the unnnecessary places it will atleast make it lighter

okay to make a long story short: WHATEVER

[blemaxx]

If it was me I would go with the LP pro. Now we can all find parts and the pro1 I have seen go on E-bay last week NIB for 137.00. I am not impressed with the looks and the price hike of the pro2 as of yet. I also think the pro2 parts will fit into the pro by the looks of it. Anyone know for sure if this will be the case?

[Ferrari_Spyder]

u mean 237 maybe? 137 is ridiculous, well so is 237

[blemaxx]

Nope no joke I saw one go for 137.00 and 200.00 Just keep an eye out. I almost bid on it but got a P5 for the pro I have.

[cbr74]

They're going for dirt cheap because you have to wait 3+ weeks for shipping, IF they ship at all.

I feel sorry for the guy that is about to pay $390 for an LP that he'll be waiting a month to get, when he could have one for $290 and be there in 3 days.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3171299002&category=19168

[blemaxx]

This is true I just looked at the feedback for that 3 week one and some people said they never got the stuff. But still at 290 I would go for the LP.

[Tim'sLosi]

When all else fails I go for tried and true. The LP1 is a winner, is built well, is a steal price-wise and my LHS has a good part supply IN STOCK. Why would I want to change from that. After all, most of it is tires and DRIVER SKILL anyway!

My $.02. Tim

[ddierking]

I just got my new LP and am installing a new 21 Orion wasp. It is rated at 2.7hp. Has any one else tried this combination yet? I'm hoping I get good results since I'll be competing against mugens and kyoshos at our track this summer.

[cbr74]

Umm... Orion doesn't market a .21 engine.

They have a Wasp .26 engine... which has an insane amount of torque. Better gear up if you're gonna put it in an LP.

Are you sure your track will allow you to run that engine?

[ddierking]

Oops, sorry about that, I meant the Wasp .26. Yep, my track is all about having fun. There will be a couple others running it on Mugens and Kyoshos. The way we look at it (most of the time anyway) is that being able to drive is going to win you the race, not the most HP (it does sometimes help though, haha).

[CRSMP5]

you can squeeze a 18t cb in there before you have to mod anythign for adjustment.. and it pulls the 18t cb like its a 13t with ease..

ALSO.. buy a few bodies... the front tires balloon so much it eats up the lexan from the edges.. :D and a few wing mounts.. case with the sick air you can get i break it like its nothign now...

[tpeep]

Sweet Jesus do I love this buggy! Today I went out racing/bashing with some guys and had all of them asking what was I running! On to my question:
Do you guys happen to know if/where I could get a truggy conversion kit for a Lightning Pro1?

[Ferrari_Spyder]

k i am getting the swift

what non-hopup type stuff do i need to replace right away?

anything i should get? know>?

[Tim'sLosi]

Originally posted by Ferrari_Spyder
k i am getting the swift

what non-hopup type stuff do i need to replace right away?

anything i should get? know>?

Good questions for the Swift Forum:D

[blemaxx]

Anyone run a P5 in the pro.? I need to know if the stock CB is ok? I am running on a short tight track. Also what % nitro? All the other engines I have had said somthing like if you use 30% add shims to the head. The P5 said nothing but I wouls guess I could run 30% with it from the box as it is a race engine? Thanks

[cbr74]

Don't ask about Fords at a Chevy dealership. In other words... don't look for Swift love in the Lightning forum... ya aint gonna get it.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

Good questions for the Swift Forum

lol but i bet there are more swift owners in here right now then over at the 4 post swift forum

[mud whistle]

Api do you have both cars? I do and I would in no way say the swift is a better car . They are different. you can make either car work. As far as the mugen parts working on the swift so what how does that make it better? Kyosho parts work on the Hb. I use the k 22 and 20 deg hubs and upper arms. duel rear brakes, need K clutch bell, as well as other parts being a direct fit also. You do not need to use these parts but it is nice to know you can if your LHS stocks Kyosho. The diffs are direct fit also . Don,t get me wrong I love my swift but I run my HB more, but I would never say one is better than the other in amatter of fact way.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

hey mudwhistle, can u answer my original question as to wether the swift is worth the extra 60 bux over lightning pro+mx3?

i havent bought either yet and ive heard owners from both side say theres is better. your opinion is worth 1000 times more than that of someone who only owns one of them

if you say "you can make both of them work" does this mean they are equal when fully hopped up?

what about stock?

[mud whistle]

F S. That is a though one. I think that the HB pro as the way it comes s alittle better than the swift. That is talking about just the cars though. An mx 3 is about 100 dollars so now you are down to about 40 dollars difference if you got the Hb and and bought the mx3. You would srill need to buy a decent steering sevo. There are a few items that come on the pro that don't come on the swift. The swift car is more like thr HB rtr, which an,t bad at all. to as which is abetter deal I would say it was a wash but having both I would buy the Hb. Not because Ithink it is better I just like the way it works for my driving. You couldn't go wrong with either. Look at parts avl. If you LHS doesn,t stock parts for either but does Kyosho then get the HB.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

thx, yea they stock kyosho everything

duh, this is kyosho country here 80%kyosho 20%mugen 10%the rest lol

[XJ667]

Ferrari S

From what I have read. There is a 60 dollar difference between buying the Swift or buying the LP and the MX3. For the 60 you save you could buy a pretty good steering servo. So if you add in the 60 difference and the 50 for a decent servo your talking $110 more for the swift. And there is no history on the swift car other than a few months.

I am looking at getting my first 1/8 scale too. You can get the LP for as low as 289.00 from what i have seen. So for $150 more you can get a pretty good radio and decent servo on the message boards. I am going with the LP myself because the LP2 part I am sure will be upgrades for the LP.

Just MY .02

[Ferrari_Spyder]

ya im definitely gettin the lightning now, just have some time to burn and emailed the places that sell for 290 to c if i can get one of them to lower there price

[Ferrari_Spyder]

ya im definitely gettin the lightning now, just have some time to burn and emailed the places that sell for 290 to c if i can get one of them to lower there price

[kyoshofan420]

Thats nice to hear:D Welcome to the lightning family!

[k_bojar]

Man...I hate the winter on the East Coast :( NO outdoor off-roading - or indoor for that matter :(

Oh well only a couple of more months until the outdoor tracks start to re-open

Ferarri - For a steering servo in these buggies, you dont wanna "cheap" out...You need something that has fast transit time (like around .11 or faster), metal gears, and a butt-load ot torque (like 120+ ounces) or else the buggy will not handle and you'll be hating the thing and yapping about "what a waste of money it was..." I've seen it at my local track..

As for as you post about how long a servo last verus how to spend, You got some dollar figures off...

A good Futaba servo, for example, with metal gears, the speed and the torque will run you about $130 - and their warranty is around a year or less...But the servo - if not abused - will last a long time...A digital servo will run you even more :(

A lot of people run HiTech servos and have great success with them - I am one of those people...Now a digital version of a HiTech with the metal gears/speed/torque will run you just shy of $100 - BUT HiTech gives you a 2 year replacement warrenty for all their servos (comments aside, please :D)

There are 2 things you dont wanna cheap out on when getting a big buggy - the steering servo and radio...You need a radio with a good deal of all the extras :) and that MX3 radio is a good choice...

Sorry for such a delay in offering my opinions :) But been having 8th scale withdrawal :( Damn, I hate seeing my buggy sitting on the starter box in my den :( Its a damn shame :)

[fezzy]

Hi, Just started looking into various 'budget' buggies as my deal on a Mugen MBX5 just fell straight through, Disappointed now that I have to look at cheaper less prooven buggies. I've had a H7 Pro before and even a Crono RS01 (That was a nightmare), So I have a pretty high standard in 1/8, And I have always regarded the Lightning to be a lesser classed buggy, But now with being in this position and the new LP2 coming out at a reasonable price it has made me think. How many of you regularly race your Lightning, And how do you place competitively?. Just trying to find out if this buggy can walk the walk as well as it seems to talk the talk, Also I've noticed someone on here has a H7 aswell as the Lightning, Your thoughts between the two buggies sir?.

Finally, A friend of mine owned a LP1 and in one race day he blew the centre AND rear diffs with the standard engine!! Should I be concerned, I have a WS72... One diff is bad enough but two!.

Thanks alot guys

[blemaxx]

I race 2 times a week all summer and with a hyper 8port I keep up with the top 3-4 people. Not bad for the first summer of racing ever. As for the diff. I have never replaced them with the stock motor but I did when I put the 8port in. I went with MP7.5 gears and have not had a prob. yet and now I am running the Rex P5. At the NORRCA gas Nationals this year Travis Amezcua won the expert 1/8 with the new pro. Now that they have a big name racer on the team I would think people will hear more about them.

[cbr74]

I run a Paris Picco 7 port XP on stock diffs. I've never had a problem. I have them filled 5k/10k/1k per HB's recommendation.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

thx bojar for the .... response. lol

no i got plenty of time here, racing doesnt start til march or something and the track doesnt open for atleast 2 months

so im wondering how often these buggies break or need repairs. ive got a max of 600 and 390 +130 servo only leaves me 90 bux for parts and such

i have a rx,tx bats already, charger,glowplug,fuel etc

is 90 enoguh to last me a few cartwheels while i am learning to drive?

[blemaxx]

390.00? That is high! I got my pro a long time ago and it was 325.00. 90.00 should keep you going for some time. wings a like 7.00 and I have yet to break a mp7.5 wing. Went through a bunch of wing mounts and they are like 5.00-10.00. Now I went with an Ofna one and have yet to break that. Been told the rims break also but my tires went bald before I broke one. The 2 other things I would say to look into getting are a fail safe like 25.00 and temp gun it helps a bunch to tune they are like 30.00. Keep an eye for a better price on the kit the 390.00 is too much and you have time to look around.:) :)

[Ferrari_Spyder]

oh no sry i meant 390 for the lightning plus mx3

[Rogue]

Originally posted by fezzy
Finally, A friend of mine owned a LP1 and in one race day he blew the centre AND rear diffs with the standard engine!! Should I be concerned, I have a WS72... One diff is bad enough but two!.


I have had my Pro for a little while now and upgraded to the RB WS7 II a little while ago. I have got about a half gallon through it so far and have had no problems with the diffs. I have read that they are not a strong as others but since you can replace them with MP 7.5 diff gears and the cost on those is cheap I figure it's really not that big of a deal once they do go. I will replace them before the race season starts weather they are bad or not just to be safe, but for now the stock ones are holding up.

[fezzy]

I think I am going to go with a Swift, My LHS has one in and he is going to start stocking them, He says they look very good indeed. He's also agreed to a good deal on one for rolling chassis only, And thats about £100 cheaper than a LP2 rolling chassis.

Thanks all for your help however.

Happy racing.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by Ferrari_Spyder
thx bojar for the .... response. lol

no i got plenty of time here, racing doesnt start til march or something and the track doesnt open for atleast 2 months

so im wondering how often these buggies break or need repairs. ive got a max of 600 and 390 +130 servo only leaves me 90 bux for parts and such

i have a rx,tx bats already, charger,glowplug,fuel etc

is 90 enoguh to last me a few cartwheels while i am learning to drive?

No problem...As far as $90 bucks and parts...one of the racers at my track bought every part HB sold for the Pro for about $80 shipped - and that was directly from Hot Bodies, which sells their stuff at the full retail price...IF you shop around, or buy online, that $90 should get you far enough into the race season...But I'd definitely get a new wing, the kit wing will last about 2 bad rollover crashes before it shatters...

The other thing you didnt ask about was tires...The kit tires will work pretty good on most tracks, but you may have to look into getting another set - Crime Fighters are very popular - just in case...and the tires are expensive :( About $50 for a set

For your budget, you should be good to go for the season...

[k_bojar]

fezzy - there were some problems with the original diffs on the lightning RTR's not necessaryily the Pro's...I have one of the original Pros to be released and have had 0 problems with the diffs...I run an OS V01b in mine and have rebuild/refilled the diffs

So they will hold up - just as good as any other buggies diffs...But when you look at part prices, all the parts for the Lightning are soooo cheap it isn't even funny :D

Better make sure you LHS will be able to supply you with parts for the new buggy - that's the advantage of the HB, parts are now everywhere :)

[cbr74]

The initial wing problems have been solved from what I hear. Apparently HB changed the plastic and it's now very flexible and doesn't shatter.

[ddierking]

I wondered that about the wings. I got my new Pro a few weeks ago and the wing on it appears to be very flexible. It doesn't seem like it would be easy to break, but thats my opinion.

[RobertH]

Originally posted by fezzy
Finally, A friend of mine owned a LP1 and in one race day he blew the centre AND rear diffs with the standard engine!! Should I be concerned, I have a WS72... One diff is bad enough but two!.


The diffs in the LP1 were weak. You can change out all three sets for Kyosho MP 7.5 diff gears for about $22 total. That's what I did and I never had a problem afterward. We have a guy that runs a Rex P5 in his and it's fine with the Kyosho gears. I've heard of people putting WS7 engines in their Lightning Pros without a problem (after the diffs of course).

I wish I could answer your questions about racing. I do race a little but I'm still a newbie. I've read feedback from a few serious racers that have the LP1. It seems to be a lot like the Kyosho buggies in most respects. One of those guys called it a "slightly upgraded Inferno MP 7.5". If you're on a budget, even that kit is pretty damn spendy.

$300.00 ish Lightning Pro
+$22.00 diff upgrade
-$80 sell stock engine on ebay
-$20 sell stock exhaust on ebay

$225 for a kit is pretty hard to beat. Some dumb ass things like the wings, wheels/tires and body will need purchasing, but you can do that later as those items all be them weak are supplied.

The only thing that really breaks is the wing mount and there is a mod for that.

If I were to do it over again, I buy the LP1 again in a heartbeat but then again I don't really know the racing nuts bolts about it.

[RobertH]

Originally posted by cbr74
Horizon has the entire parts listing for the Lightning, parts should no longer be a problem.

Personally, I never had any problem getting parts for my LP through RcBoyz or Ricky's R/C


Can you point me to such an online list? I don't know why but Horizon's site just flat out sucks for searching (or I don't know how to use it). rc boyz is even worse.

I could call them but man that's like work. ;)

[cbr74]

RcBoyz doesn't have many parts listed but they do carry them.

For Horizon.. type "hbsc8" in the search box then click on "Gas Car/Truck Replacement Parts" voila... Lightning parts. For individual parts that you know the part # for just be sure to add "hbs" to the front of it. For example.. the front/rear CV universals would be hbsC8072 and so on.

I think part of the problem with searching Horizon is they only list the Lightning parts with the "LS" (for Lightning Series) designation so if you search for "Lightning"... you get about zilch.

[Wakegod]

I have a HB Lightning Pro and have noticed a couple of parts that break. So, I'm checking interest for high quality machined aluminum parts. For example, I was thinking wing mounts made out of machined aluminum.

So, if anybody out there would be interested let me know and if there's enough interest I might just start designing and selling custom parts for the HB Lightning series.

[fezzy]

Actually, Living in the UK the Lightning was never released before under Hotbodies, But for some reason the HB Distributor in the UK now seems to want to sell the L2, Odd. So essentially there wont be any better parts support, Infact I doubt it'd be as good because Schumacher Uk are the distributor now for PRP, And they have excellent service with parts.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

okay im going to order the:

kyosho diffs

and order the tires/wheels together when i see what people are using at our track

the wing seems okay now

what about the wing mount

what to do?

okay and i need to pik a steering servo, what the name of tHAT ONE UR TALKING BOUT HITEC FOR 90 BUX? oops cap lock

diffs
wing mount
servo

do i need a body yet?
anything else?


oh locktite

so where do i get this stuff?

[burnouts]

Here is one for you, looking in a rc mag today and there is a monster truck sitting on a sacker rtr chassis( lightning rtr). Not a conversion but a factory built truck. It's called the rockwilder, has rear shocks allround force .25 engine 2 speed and the pictures look like a lot of fun.

Oh yeah the mag was a Austrialian one called racing lines Dec 03 issue

[cbr74]

Did it look like this?
http://www.hobbyshop-dietrichs.de/Angebote/CARSON_Rockwilder/Carson_Rockwilder.jpg

That's a Carson Rockwilder.

here's a Carson King of Dirt:
http://www.hobbyshop-dietrichs.de/Angebote/CARSON_King_of_Dirt/Carson_King_of_Dirt.jpg

And here's a Carson Heat:
http://www.hobbyshop-dietrichs.de/Angebote/CARSON_Heat/Carson_Heat.jpg

Any of those look familiar to you guys?

[cbr74]

There's some good pics at the bottom of this page:
http://www.paruamodel.it/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=3550

That exhaust is just bizarre.

[cbr74]

And look... a Rockwilder on E-Bay.. auf Deutsch! LOL

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3268922727&category=23637

[CRSMP5]

thats sweet..

[Ferrari_Spyder]

just bought the hitec hs945 digital steering servo today

it better be darn fine for the $93.00 i paid
;)

anyways i still need the kyosho dif part #'s

and i think i am set?

:D :D

[Tim'sLosi]

This guy is parting out a K2 on eBay


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49213&item=3171509625&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49213&item=3171507292&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49213&item=3171935550&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

[Ferrari_Spyder]

Originally posted by RobertH
The diffs in the LP1 were weak. You can change out all three sets for Kyosho MP 7.5 diff gears for about $22 total.

how can the diffs be 45 a pop here, when robert says 22 total?

hey wheres the center dif, or am i a total moran and that first link was the center dif

im probably a total moron

is the 22 just for the gears in the diffs?

okay noobie diff questions:

how exactly do diffs break? they spin the axels or something and !pop! they explode? i dont get it (sry for being really noobish)

a diff gear must not mean the same as a diff...hmmmmmmmm

is 45 a reasonable amount for a dif? :eek: times 3?

im bankrupt if my diffs break

[blemaxx]

My diffs. only the gear strip so you don't need the full diff setup. Just get this
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVD22&P=7
I did see in a post that HB fixed the prob. so you may want to just hold off on them for now. Maybe others will help on this.

[burnouts]

cbr74 thats the one but down here the brand is ming yang and lightnings are sackers

[RobertH]

Originally posted by burnouts

Oh yeah the mag was a Austrialian one called racing lines Dec 03 issue

I live in the US and the folks at Racing Lines were nice enough to send me the issue with the Sacker Pro for FREE! It costs them $22 AUD to send it to me. I had considered ordering (sent my address and everything) but changed my mind. At the time I was having this argument with this guy on another board about the Storm RTR vs the Lightning Pro. I had sent the mag a link to the argument explaining that the folks in the US were really lacking info on the Sacker Pro (Lightning Pro). Like two weeks later, a package from Austriaila shows up at my door with two issues of Racing Lines magazine: the Sacker Pro issue and the Storm RTR issue. LOL It's a good magazine. I wish it were on store shelves here.

Anyway... I have beat the snot out of my current Lightning Pro. All the plastic parts are wobbled out and and my bearings are sloppy. (Jumping it 20 foot in the air is fun but takes it's toll after a while.)

This comming race season, I need a race only LP1. I checked ebay but all I could find is someone selling pieces-o-pro. I bought my first LP1 from RC Boyz and they were great to deal with. This new place that's selling them for $289 -- has anyone purchased a LP1 from them? How are they to deal with? Do they rape you on shipping?

Thanks,
RobH

[cbr74]

If you had a good experience with RcBoyz before... why not buy from them again? The price is the same and you know they'll be good to you.
http://www.carttonic.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&action=catalog_productinfo&uid=466&clist=0&pi_id=37203

[RobertH]

I had to take a double take: Your Price: $289.99 it was $319.99 when I purchased mine. That's wonderful news that rcboyz has the same price. The difference in price pays for the replacement diff gears. LOL Thanks cbr74.

I also found the LP parts on HORIZON with your info. Here is a cool link:

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/services/advanceresultsDetail.asp?strProd=HBSC8

or if you prefer, you can find each part quickly by taking the original part number, removing the dashes and tagging it onto the end of this:

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/services/advanceresultsDetail.asp?strProd=HBS

For example:

http://www.hotbodiesonline.net/lightparts.htm

C8073-2 REAR SHOCK TOWER 7075 4mm

You add "C80732" (removed the dash) onto http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/services/advanceresultsDetail.asp?strProd=HBS and you get:

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/services/advanceresultsDetail.asp?strProd=HBSC80732

I think a php or asp page with a little code would be cool. -> LP Part Number -> Submit -> Horizon's search results.

[cbr74]

What is it with everybody being down on the LP diffs?
I run a torquemonster 7 port Picco XP 21 on the stock diffs, been doing so for a while now... my diffs have never failed. Is it luck of the draw or what?

[RobertH]

I'm down on the diff gears because the other Lightning Pro that I've seen at our track had the same problem. He put a Rex P5 in his Pro and then the Center diff gears blew. He replaced them with HB gears and they blew too. Then the front diff gears blew. He finally put MP 7.5 diff gears in front/center and he's doing OK now. I had read about one guy that had diff gear problems (Rukus was his name on this board with the WS7?) You also had said that you hadn't had a problem. I though I was in the clear cause I had owned my buggy for some months. The very same day I talked to this guy on thr track about his diff whoes, my rear diff gears blew. I said "screw this" and purchased three sets of MP 7.5 gears the next day. I haven't had a problem since.

In that article on the Sacker Pro in the Racing Lines magazine, they claim that Ming Yang was trying to reduce rotating mass in the drive train with light weight diff gears. The magazine also claims that the light weight diff gears help improve performance, which I don't doubt. This, however, is just silly. Over the course of almost a year, I can now count five or six LP1 owners that have had diff gear problems. I personally think the gears were cheaply cast for the RR and were never updated in the Pro version.

Is there anyway of knowing if you have the updated gears? The one guy at the LHS said that HB was comming out with better gears that were a different color.

I still have a bad taste in my mouth from it. It's still a cheap kit and a great car for the price. Also, changing the diff gears isn't any skin off my nose as it's cheap to do. I'd rather not assume, however, that my new race-only LP1 has updated diff gears and find out otherwise the hard way. :(

-RobH

[cbr74]

True enough... better safe than sorry I suppose. I'm just more of the "If it aint broke, don't fix it." school of thought.

[RobertH]

I was bored this afternoon:

Find Lightning Parts on Horizon Easily (http://24.229.18.209/rc/lightningpro/hbparts.php)

I don't know how long I can can host that, but the address is static. I've put a link if you'd like to download it and put it on your own website. Most website providers support php.

-RobH

[Ferrari_Spyder]

does anybody know how to make a throttle return spring?

or

does anybody know where to find the associated throttle return spring kit?

thx in advance

[Ferrari_Spyder]

does anybody know how to make a throttle return spring?

or

does anybody know where to find the associated throttle return spring kit?

thx in advance

[HBLighting PRO]

well i think im going to try and get back into this car agian...

all i need is

Differential Gears
Enya #3 (i've always ran those)
Knuckle arms
4x10mm cap screws
3x14mm cap screws
and 4x8mm cap screws


hopefully within the next moth i'll be running agian:D :D :D :D

[Tim'sLosi]

I read something about the Savage gears fitting the Lightning. Are they as HD as the K2?

Also, has anyone assembled a list of what parts from the K2 and other buggies will direct fit on the LP1? If not, can we do this? Everyone post what they know.
Thanks,
Tim

PS Sorry about those diffs...I didn't know you just needed the gears. Do the Torsen diffs for the 7.5 fit the LP1? What about the "sliding clutches" Fiorini has?

[Casey]

Originally posted by Tim'sLosi
I read something about the Savage gears fitting the Lightning. Are they as HD as the K2?




The Savage diff gear sets only include two spider gears instead of the four that you'll find in the Lightning diffs(and pretty much all other 1/8 buggies). I don't know if they're as HD as the Kanai diffs. For the money and peace of mind, I'd just go with the Kanai gears.

[blemaxx]

They have a list on this page
http://forum.maxxtraxxusa.com/showthread.php?t=2812

[CRSMP5]

savage ones 6$ a package... how much are k2 ones?

[blemaxx]

6.49 at tower. Igot my gears at a shop in town for like 5.50

[blemaxx]

Did a bit of a mod today we will see how it works.http://www.cupofjoe.org/pics/buggyservo.JPG

[msuh24]

i was at the dirt racing in hemet today for the big race. www.thedirtracing.com. i met atsushi hara, the world champ in onroad. he races of course hpi, and for offroad he had a hotbodies. upon looking closely, it looked different. it looked like my kyosho kanai 2. i asked him, and he said it was the lightning 2 pro version. he was running a p5 engine, and it was pretty fast. have you guys heard of the new buggy yet?

[blemaxx]

yes it's been in the mags. also look back a few pages for pics and info.

[Tim'sLosi]

Are there any other forums out there with Lightning threads??

[Ferrari_Spyder]

a couple were started at nitrorc.com but they kinda died. this is the only one

[CRSMP5]

trator.. this is the bible of all lightning info... no other forum needed.. that looks good with the laydown servo..

[NitroLightning]

Just thought you guys might enjoy this pic

[Tim'sLosi]

Who is posting under your user id on RC Nitro Talk??? Seems as though YOU are already cheating on us...chatting around on other forums :rolleyes:

Originally posted by CRSMP5
trator.. this is the bible of all lightning info... no other forum needed.. that looks good with the laydown servo..

[Combatcm]

Does this car have a Force .25 or a knockoff engine? Does it suffer from air leaks like the 25 does?

[Tim'sLosi]

Originally posted by Combatcm
Does this car have a Force .25 or a knockoff engine? Does it suffer from air leaks like the 25 does?

The RR and Pro both come with the 21BB engine, same as the HPI Savage 21 has.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by blemaxx
Did a bit of a mod today we will see how it works.http://www.cupofjoe.org/pics/buggyservo.JPG

How does the lightning work with the steering servo laid over like that??

I think I saw the LP2 has a laid over servo...

msuh - How does Hara do with the lightning??

[XJ667]

Ok I am ordering my lighting in about a month when taxes get here. In the mean time I am buying the two servos for the car. What kind of torque # should I be looking for in the steering and the throttle? I am looking at a couple of 605BBMG hitecs. They are 96 oz. torque. Is it enough for the steering? First 1/8 scale so I am new to this size. Any help thanks

Mark

[Ferrari_Spyder]

http://servocity.com/html/hs-645mg_ultra_torque.html

this is the minimum for a steering servo wether bashing or racing

if you are racing and you have more than $40

http://servocity.com/html/hs-945mg_super_torque.html

thats good for club racing/noncompetitive $74

this next one is probably the minimum if you are more serious in racing $90


http://servocity.com/html/hs-5945mg_digital_torque.html

and if you have tons of money then get a futaba servo for $130

they are the best you can get

for throttle just use the one that comes with your radio. if none do, then just get this:

http://servocity.com/html/hs-625mg_ultra_speed.html

for throttle, speed is more important than torgue as you are not physically moving wheels stuck under an 8-pound buggy.

if you are looking to get another company just compare the speed/torque/price

[XJ667]

F S
thanks I like the hitec servos. They always treated me good. Plus a buddy is a supplier so I get a good deal on them.(LOL).

Thanks for the help
Mark

[cbr74]

Speed is good for throttle, but also remember that servo is controlling your brakes, so torque is nice too.

[XJ667]

Ferrari after looking at the selection you showed me I started looking myself I think this one seemed pretty good for the money. http://servocity.com/html/hs-5735mg_mega_digital.html 264 oz. torque for under $70. Looked pretty good. Maybe I am ready it wrong.

[XJ667]

I was thinking at too CBR without decent torque your breaks woouldnt stop you to well.

[cbr74]

Look at the dimensions. That's a 1/4 scale servo, it's not gonna fit in a 1/8 buggy.

[XJ667]

lol i seen that now

[Rogue]

As far as servos go I use the HS 5645 for both. I got them from Tower, shopped around and couldn't beat there price 54.99
HS-5645 from Tower (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXUZ80&P=7)

[cbr74]

Lil vid of my Lightning. Nothing special, but we had fun.

http://www.rc pics.net/img/23376

remove the space

[tpeep]

cbr74, link doesn't work

[CRSMP5]

tax $ came in :D since the pro is the cheapest rc ive ever owned as far as maintence and broken parts are concerned and it needs not upgrades kinda bored with that... and my savage is bullit proof and not screwing me on anything... i needed a new one to spend $ on.. life is boring if no $ spent on rc.. so i got a shumaker menace lastnight :D ill tell you what.. i hope it does the 70+ as advertised.. cause this thing costed more than a savage.. and i doubt duribility is in its name.. its kinda nice with all the aluminum and cf.. but the plastic it has is cheesy.. cannot wait to get her broken in.. :D

[KandL Racing]

Anyone running a RB motor in the Lightning? I am thinking about getting the 5 port sport model. Not sure what pipe yet, but the sport motor seems reasonably priced (~$220).

[cbr74]

Here's the direct link, but again have to remove the space between rc and pics.

Lightning (http://www.rc pics.net/media/Lightning2.mpg)

[cbr74]

Lightning2Pro's should start popping up shortly. I was going to get one... but after driving my L1 this weekend... I see no need for a new one.

[RCILaser]

For those people that are looking for the Pro2. I see that my supplier has some of them in stock I will be placing an order soon I will be selling the new Pro2 for $389.95 plus shipping. You can place an order by going to www.atomicmotorsports.com Give me an e-mail of your request So that I can let you know when they come in.

[cbr74]

Good price. Your link is off though... need to lose the .

http://www.atomicmotorsports.com

[RCILaser]

I do not know why my link is off. I have tried to correct it with no luck thinking for helping out

[cbr74]

The period at the end of the sentence throws it off. The RC Zone software thinks it's part of the link so it puts it in between the "m" in com and the /.

[gr8taz nitro]

need some advice on gearing. I've been running the stock motor and stock gearing on my LP but I'm getting ready to drop a hotor motor in. I've got a novarossi rx21 5p turbo on order that I'm gonna drop in and I'm still using the stock clutch bell and spur gear. The guys at my local track are saying I should go up at least one tooth on the clutchbell, maybe two.

Anyone got any thoughts on it?

Thanx!

[cbr74]

I agree with your track guys. I went up one tooth when I dropped in the Picco XP, I could easily go up another tooth and it'd pull it.

[CRSMP5]

me a trator.... LOL i hate rc nitro talk... i only post on the pro threads just to piss in their pot... i hate them....

[Ferrari_Spyder]

okay, now im pissed

i ordered my lightning pro off ebay brand new from a company for $290

now i receive the lightning rr, and go to email the guy and on ebay it is an rr, and on my receipt it is an rr.

how did he edit all of this?

i think i would have noticed it was an rr b4 i bought it

i no it was a pro when i bought it

it was all a pro, and now it is all rr

how can he edit my receipt?

or am i just insane?

so now i have no proof that it was ever a pro cus i am a dumbass and i didn't print it out

and the guy emails me bak tellin me im just not being resonable that it was an rr all the time?

anybody else have these problems

look at my $90 for extra parts - now look at it gone ----

[blemaxx]

What was the ebay item #? You should be able to see on ebay if he did an edit to the listing.

[CRSMP5]

that sux.. was it rc boyz?

[Tim'sLosi]

Once a bid is placed on an eBay item the main description of an auction CANNOT be altered. A seller can add a description below the main one. The only possibility is that he placed the ad as a Pro and realized his mistake before the first bid. He could have edited it after you first saw the item and before you bid but you didn't notice the change until you got it in the mail. No way it could have been altered after the first bid, though.

[tpeep]

They only option that I see available if you payed through paypal, you could stop payment for this item. And contact paypal/Ebay and tell them you didn't get what you paid for and send it back. That way he get his Lightning RR "Pro" and you get your money back.
You also may want to look in your isp old or recently deleted mail.
You might want to know that the Lighting Pro2 can be bought for 389.00. Not a bad price at all I think.

[tpeep]

I forgot to add that I think you have up to two weeks to notify Ebay of a bad deal/product. Ebay has a policy on situations like this happening. I almost got took when someone tried to sale me a broken 3PK, but I followed the process and got my money back. Hopefully you will have this good fortune also.
What was the name of this seller? Be sure to give him a VERY negative rating!!!!!!!:mad:

[CRSMP5]

the only lightnings i knew of on ebay were ones they were using a html page of their own... so yea he could have changed it with it not getting a edit line..

[RobertH]

Go into my ebay and look for the items you have purchased rescently. You can change it to the last 30 days if you don't see any thing. When you find your Lightning Pro auction, bring it up and make sure it says Pro and not RR. If it says RR, you're screwed because there is no way that he can change the auction after you've bid on it. That means that you bid on it and didn't realize it was RR. If it say Pro, however, you have a case on your hands. You can give that information to paypal (you have 30 days) and ask for your money back. Then you just mail the guy his Lightning RR back to him. You also have 30 days with ebay. You better hurry if it was a while ago.

The price to upgrade a RR to Pro kind of sucks. :(

Good Luck,
RobH

[RobertH]

Originally posted by CRSMP5
the only lightnings i knew of on ebay were ones they were using a html page of their own... so yea he could have changed it with it not getting a edit line..

Dont you have to copy and paste your HTML into the ebay auction? Even so, what about the title? That's can't be changed. I'd be interested to see the item number. :)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by RobertH
Dont you have to copy and paste your HTML into the ebay auction? Even so, what about the title? That's can't be changed. I'd be interested to see the item number. :)

Nope...As far as I know, just the link is needed

[CRSMP5]

thats why im trying to find out the seller of the item.. some people i dont trust.. rcboyz is great.. i trust them.. but someone else had something i would not trust but wanted way more $..

[RobertH]

I don't mean to get off the subject of this guy's ebay mishap, but what are you guys using for a screw set?

I rounded out the heads on a few screws and lost a couple too. The replacements are OK but I think it would be better to get a full set of kick ass Grade 12.9 screws and swap out what I have in it.

Are there any screw sets out there that closely match the Lightning? RCScrewz and their stainless steel screws suck from what I've read. There are a lot of quaility contorl issues with rcscrewz apparently and I'd rather not mess with 'em.

Thanks,
RobH

[razataz]

I'm thanking about getting a lp1. Do you think they will stop making replacement parts for the lp1 sense the lp2 is out.If I stock pile some extra parts ,what parts do I need to get?

[cbr74]

the L1 and L2 havew a 70% parts compatibility, I doubt replacement parts will be hard to find in the future.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

okay, i still dont know how it happened but somehow i ended up bidding for something different than what i read the description for.

so it was my fault, but still, i couldve sworn i even went back to that ebay page a million times and it was clearly a lightning pro.

so now its all lightning rr which is not possible so i dont understand, nor do i have proof of any kind

im going to give him a neutral feedback because i just dont know whos fault it was or what happened

okay so now im stuck with a lightning rr which was $293

my options are: somehow find someone locally who want it

sell it on ebay $320 to make up for shipping stuff

sell it part by part on ebay and hope to make a profit?

do i even have a chance?

no, okay im selling a lightning rr on ebay for aroun $320 then. will anybody buy it for that price?

[Tim'sLosi]

Originally posted by CRSMP5
the only lightnings i knew of on ebay were ones they were using a html page of their own... so yea he could have changed it with it not getting a edit line..

Once there was a bid, how could he have changed it?

[VMach]

Originally posted by cbr74
the L1 and L2 havew a 70% parts compatibility, I doubt replacement parts will be hard to find in the future. Are you sure about that? I'd like to know before I wait to buy the Pro 2, cause I can get a Pro 1 now for allot less than the Pro 2 will be.

[cbr74]

That's what HotBodies told me. 70% of the parts are interchangeable between the two.

So I'm as sure as I can be without actually having both in hand.

[maddmaxx45]

OMG OMG OMG.....lol tower Hobbies has the LIGHTNING PRO 2 in stock....its coool. take a look, its curently selling for 499, a little pricy if u ask me, but its all good, its a cool car:D

[maddmaxx45]

OMG OMG OMG.....lol tower Hobbies has the LIGHTNING PRO 2 in stock....its coool. take a look, its curently selling for 499, a little pricy if u ask me, but its all good, its a cool car:D

[cbr74]

Makes Laser's price all that more attractive don't it?

[Ferrari_Spyder]

lol:D

[Casey]

I just painted up a new Crowd Pleazer body for my Dad's Lightning RR. His buggy is basically stock right now except for the HPI Roto-Start that we installed. I've cleaned out and refilled the shocks with 40W front/35W rear(that stock shock oil was yellow!), and am in the process of cleaning the grease out of the diffs to fill them with silicone 5k/7k/1k. He's also going to picking up some new wheels and tires for the racing season.

The picture is a bit washed out and doesn't do the body justice. I may post a better one later on.

[CRSMP5]

if it is just a link to his html page all he has to do is change the html page.. thats how it can be changed.. with no edit line..

[Casey]

Here are a couple more. Then I'll be done.:)

[Casey]

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[Casey]

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[Tim'sLosi]

Nice job, Casey! Thanks for the inspiration:D
Tim

[Duster_360]

Great looking job, Casey! Question - where did you find those long retaining clips for the wing?? Like that - one fewer to deal with and lose. Thanks

[Casey]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

Duster - There are several companies that make the long clips. The one on the Lightning is made by Dynamite. I bought them at the hobby shop where we race. They come in metallic colors - green, blue, red, purple.

[cbr74]

Anybody ever try Craddock brake disks? I just got some today. They're very light and very thin. 4 of them weigh less than 1 stock disk.

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/2004261342468145234987.jpg

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/2004262746330839545747.jpg

They don't need pads so it makes the whole brake assembly much slimmer. I had to remove the lower disk guides because of it.

Also had to use different screws as the collars on the stock ones are now way too long.

[Casey]

Where did you pick up the brake discs? Those look really slick. I'm interested in hearing how they work out for you.

[cbr74]

Racer's Edge #C010 Kyosho/Hyper Cradock Brake Disc (2)

[CRSMP5]

let us know how they work... i think the stock ones work great.. so im interested in how those perform..

[cbr74]

Yeah, there was nothing wrong with the stockers, just wanted to try sumthin different. The drop in rotating mass alone has me hooked. These things weigh nuthin.

[blemaxx]

Hey I couldn't get them on racers web site how much did you get the for? I found them for 9.00(2) is that what they sell them for?

[HBLighting PRO]

http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2.2/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=57_91&products_id=2417


what kind do i get?!?!

im going tommrow to pick up some!! yay!:D :D

i know one will fit our cars...but i forgot

[Ferrari_Spyder]

mp 7.5 style

[cbr74]

Retail for the Cradock's is $9.00/pair, yes.

[HBLighting PRO]

thanks ferreri

what are crackdogs?

edit: wow im a lazy reader

[cbr74]

crackdogs... lol

Try lookin back a few posts.

[HBLighting PRO]

damn im dumb

[KandL Racing]

Well, I put my new RB S7 in my RR on Friday, raced it last night... WOW what a difference! I've got to learn how to drive all over again. Jumps that I had to nail the HB stock motor to clear are now clearable with a short blip, amazing. But... dumb mechanic... forgot to thread lock 2 screws and that ended my main :(

At our local track, there is only one other HB buggy, and it's a Pro, last week I drove up north to Corpus Christi, TX and raced, saw like 6-8 HB's up there, probably 1/2 of the 1/8 scale class were HB's, nice to see that. Felt more at home :)

Until next time....

[blemaxx]

Well I placed an order for the cradock brakes but they told me just to run one in the front and one in the back. We will see how this works and then I may order the second set. I couldn't find them on the racers edge site so I got them from
http://www.atomicmotorsports.com/Advantage-2.htm

[cbr74]

They're a new part for Racer's Edge so the website hasn't been updated yet. RcBoyz could order them if they don't have some already. (They'd charg less than full retail too)

We've had the dual vs. single brakes discussion before... duals aren't for stopping power, they're for longevity. More surface area, better heat dissipation, less wear. I'm hearing now that these Cradock's wear like iron and don't fade at all. I could prolly run just singles, but they weigh so very little... it won't hurt anything to run duals.

I'm certainly not concerned about overall stopping power, with a 94358Z on throttle/brakes... I could put all 4 into full lock with any brake set-up.

It's a beautiful day today, sun's shining, perfect weather for some nitro R/C fun.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

ya here too...

BUT I STILL DONT HAVE THE RIGHT CAR!!!

this guy keeps on selling them on ebay for so cheep i could never sell them there without losing $30 on what i bought em.

so im looking for a hobby shop or something thatll buy it... no luck.

[Tim'sLosi]

What's your Ebay ID, or what is his. I would like to check out the ad. Thanks! Tim

[MORTER MAN]

Hey guys, I am thinking about getting a lightning RTR. I have 325 to spend. What say you? also whats the top speed out of the box?

[cbr74]

Ferrari's got an RTR he'll sell ya. LOL

[Ferrari_Spyder]

yup got a brand new rr to sell

dont pm me i never check

email at KanaiLad@netscape.net

my ebay id is rocketsredbaron... i no, i no i put in Red_Baron and it game me that :confused: his is jzmelton

it is not a fluke. im most certain it is my fault somehow but i still dont no why:rolleyes:

[MORTER MAN]

I would rather buy it from tower, I just wanted to know if "users" liked them:rolleyes:

[RCILaser]

I just got my shipment of the lightning Pro2 in. So if you are thinking of getting one go too www.atomicmotorsports.com and give me a call and I will give you the details. There is quite a few different changes to the Pro2. It does have the 22 degree front hubs , but it also has the three degree front block that gives it total of 25° castor. There's a lot of other little changes also it has a lot more steering. The mounting point for the rear shocks is moved out . I will be selling the Pro2 for $389.95 plus shipping. You will have to pay full shipping , because at that price. I cannot absorb any of the shipping.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

no please buy from me!!! plz!

look its one ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19168&item=3174939701&ssPageName=STRK:MESSE:IT

NIB

i have no way of getting rid of it if it doesnt sell on ebay.

[tpeep]

RCI, give us some feedback on how it handled on your first time out? Why are you selling it, did it handle that bad?

[cbr74]

He's selling brand new ones, not used.

[RCILaser]

tpeep
I am a Dealer in 1/8 scale buggies parts and cars the only car the I keep in stock is the Hot Bodies because that is the car I run. RCI Laser is the other company that I have it is the one that makes the decals. Mostly for R/C racers. If you go to my site
www.atomicmotorsports.com. you will see. I have been running the car for quite some time I have quite a bit of experience with the hot bodies car. I will give the report on the handling of the new Pro2 soon. I plan to put one on the track at the upcoming PRO race on February 22 I have no doubt that the new car will have improved handling. Not that the LP1 was bad, just that this one will be different. It does have different gears in the diff as their is to different part numbers now. I have not had one bit of trouble with the old-style , and I run the Car hard , and I use of the strong engine the Mac 21. I am not in A main competitor but I am not last anymore. I do not have the responses that you young guys do, I and 64 years old do this R/C stuff.

[MORTER MAN]

YO RCI, WHAT OF 'IF I BUY I AM GOING TO BUY FROM TOWER' DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? ALSO YOUR NOT SOPOSE TO TRY TO SELL STUFF IN ANY OTHER FORUM THEN THE BUY SELL TRADE FORUM. ALL I WANTED TO KNOW IS HOW PEOPLE LIKE THEM AND INPUT ON THEM, NOT WERE OR WHO IS SELLING ONE:rolleyes:

[XJ667]

Mortor Man
I really dont think he was addressing just you in the post. It looks to me he was letting everyone in the forum know he has them. And If you want to spend $499.99 at tower instead of $389.99 thats your choice. You dont have to be rude.

The second post was torward tpeep if you looked at all !!

[cbr74]

FYI... RcBoyz has L2Pro's at $389.99 as well. Just stumbled on the listing today.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

lost another sale to tower

i dont get why everyone byys from them cus "ther certain not to give me trouble" when in all actuallity they wont tell you when the ----- you ordered is in stock so your sitting there waiting for your product to arrive for weeks.

buy from me and youll have it in 3 days... 3 DAYS!

and youll save $30

[KandL Racing]

Is anyone running the new proline wings? I got 3 (backups :> ). Only problem is, using the HB pin type mounts, the wings are too think for the plastic washers to fit as well. I was considering dremeling the wing and making a bevel, but that'd take some of the strength away.

I usually run Mugen style screw in mounts (The MBX4 mounts are good), but this last weekend I had an aweful crash, and it stripped the screws out, so I had to switch to my backup HB pin mounts.

[RCILaser]

MORTER MAN
I'm sorry if my post upset you. I can see how you thought I was talking to you , because my post came right after your inquiry. But my post was just a follow-up on an earlier post. I am quite aware of the fact that I'm not supposed to advertise here. My intentions were to provide information on a new hot bodies car. The car i am talking about is not the same one that you are interested in. There are people here that are very interested in the new Pro2. The new Pro2 is not a ready to run that version has not been released yet. I think if you will go back and read some of the earlier posts your questions about the ready to run will be answered.

[blemaxx]

Originally posted by MORTER MAN
YO RCI, WHAT OF 'IF I BUY I AM GOING TO BUY FROM TOWER' DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? ALSO YOUR NOT SOPOSE TO TRY TO SELL STUFF IN ANY OTHER FORUM THEN THE BUY SELL TRADE FORUM. ALL I WANTED TO KNOW IS HOW PEOPLE LIKE THEM AND INPUT ON THEM, NOT WERE OR WHO IS SELLING ONE:rolleyes:

Man a bit harsh for your second or third post on the HB page don't you think? If you want it from tower just go get it! I for one am happy to have RCILaser on this page know we all know a good place with a good price to get it. Also we know he drives the HB not just selling it because he has a hobby shop. That was one of the first flam posts we have had on this page and I hope not to see more or it will go down as one more forums not to come to. Just My .02 don't want to make anyone feel unwanted or piss them or you off.:) :) :)