Team Losi LST Monster Truck

[metalry101]

^^^Me too.

Being hard to tune or start could be user error. THAT many engines blowing up THAT early in their life? That's a piss poor quality control system, or just a piss poor design.

[alvinm]

Well i hope its just a fluke.I bought a spyder with no research on it and in my oppinion it was a bad decision.I did my homework on the lst but didn't expect this.

[ALJR]

Hmmm... Im still going with u.e. on this one.. But thats just my "opinion"..

BTW, you guys that are "blowing-up" your engines, what were you doing at the time it happened? and how many nitro engines have you owned? be honest!

[ALJR]

Well, I've heard of about 7 Mach's from 14xxx no. LST's blowing a conrod now. That sounds like a bit more than coincidentaly user error. I know I certainly didn't do anything to cause this kind of failure on mine: http://www.freespaces.com/rccars/lst/pics/pic013.jpg


nice picture.. the only thing i don't see in there is oil.. did you clean it of before you took the pic?

rods go from holding the throttle open for extended periods of time.. not saying that was/is the case here, just mearly stated the main cause of failure.. btw. how did you lose that rod?

[bpg1978]

i've been in this hobby for 11 years. i've dealt with over 15+ engines(including breaking in) and this was the first to stop working so early. I was giving it 3/4 throttle while still very rich.

[bpg1978]

but let's be honest. yes...the mach26 has some glitches, but still, the LST is the best rc car I've ever owned, period. There's nothing on the market or has been on the market that I would trade for it. Does anyone else agree?

[doesgo]

I agree, the LST is the best rc car you've ever owned. :)

[WorldOfNoise]

I agree, the LST is the best rc car you've ever owned. :)
^Funny!^
Just a side note-
It seems like the recommended initial carb setting in the manual is waaaaay too lean. It was for mine anyway...

[bpg1978]

You a hater! What's better than the LST? Brute power, size, and agility? Sure, it's not the quickest, but I feel it has the best overall package.

[RespirologyRC]

I've been reading the last several pages and can't help but to LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Because everyone criticises the T-maxx for having such poor components, but in all actuallity the Losi seems to bite the big one:). I'm glad the UE (NOT user error), but rather Unlimitedengineering supplies T-Maxx's with super strong stuff. If you guys are distroying input and output shafts in the tranny it's because the hole where the pin goes through is the stress point for all the power coming out of the engine. This was a comon problem with T-maxx's. One way to fix this is to get some JPweld and encase the pin and the hole together. Allow the stuff to dry and seal over the next couple of days and this should take care of your problem.

T-Maxx or LST? = T-MAXX all the way:)

[bpg1978]

you know, i was thinking. the LST, T-maxx, Savage and Revo are the only GOOD raceable trucks with originality and copy off of no other. Everyone else simply duplicated and modified. Correct? So kudos to all of the se. But LST is #1.

[ALJR]

I've been reading the last several pages and can't help but to LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Because everyone criticises the T-maxx for having such poor components, but in all actuallity the Losi seems to bite the big one:). I'm glad the UE (NOT user error), but rather Unlimitedengineering supplies T-Maxx's with super strong stuff. If you guys are distroying input and output shafts in the tranny it's because the hole where the pin goes through is the stress point for all the power coming out of the engine. This was a comon problem with T-maxx's. One way to fix this is to get some JPweld and encase the pin and the hole together. Allow the stuff to dry and seal over the next couple of days and this should take care of your problem.

T-Maxx or LST? = T-MAXX all the way:)

your kidding, right?

Duno if i am misunderstanding you. But your saying you would take a UE Tmaxx over a LST? Because thats the only way a Tmaxx would make it through a day w/o somthing braking! Also, is it really fair to compare a $2000 UE Tmaxx to a LST? I don't even think it would be fair to compare a stock Tmaxx to a LST.. The LST is 1/8 and a Tmaxx is 1/10

[ALJR]

^Funny!^
Just a side note-
It seems like the recommended initial carb setting in the manual is waaaaay too lean. It was for mine anyway...

Hate to say this (and i know i am going to get flamed)... But only noobs use the manuals carb setting when running there engines.. most ("most") experianced users only use the manual as a base-line and tune from there..

There are too many variables that contribute to a carbs settings.. Such as altitude, humidity, temp., fuel brand, nitro content, oil content and glow plug used... It would impossible to have a "standard" setting that would work for every ones situation..

Thus leading me to belive that a good portion (not saying all here) of these engine failures are from UE... Lets not forget that this truck is a RTR and most newbies start out with a RTR... Also, lets not forget that most of these trucks are used for bashing (not racing on a track w/ limited space) and with that being said, its also fair to say that a ball park or large field "might" make a nice place to run.. Which brings me back to my over-reving point i made earlier.. These nitro engine can't hold a screaming (WOT or max-rpm) throttle for longer than a couple seconds as a time.. running in a decent size park could over rev the engine very easily. Expecially considering the gear ratio of mt's (they max out fairly quick)..

[RespirologyRC]

Are you insane? there is no comparison between a $2000.00 vehicle and a $400.00 one, clearly the more exspensive had better be better!

All messing around aside; the LST is going through growing pains. Being that this is a new truck and has only been out for a little bit this is to be expected. I feel that if Losi does what HPI has ( upgrading the savage and addressing the problems) then the LST can actually be better than the T-maxx. But to say that the LST is better because it comes with a bigger engine (one that blows up often), better electronics (not a real advantage if your just a basher), and better plastic parts (not cool when your on your 10th lower arm due to weakness issues) you guys are surely mistaken!

Sorry to inform you but the LST isn't all that great. It may have some nice looking shocks but that's it. Save your money and enjoy life stress free:)

[metalry101]

The LST has four weak links. The engine is prone to exploding. The a-arms don't hold up well to abuse. The RS300 is prone to glitching due to vibration. The plastic diff cases break easily under the stress of braking.

A T-Maxx has more than 3 weak links. The 2.5 will never run right if you don't break it in 100% exactly like Traxxas says to, and even if you do, it's a finicky engine, albeit a very powerful one for its size. The a-arms are weak. The hingepins are easy to bend. The bulkheads are weak and a pita to replace. The stock radio gear is junk. The stock steering servo barely turns the truck. The stock steering servo has plastic gears. The servo saver has more play than Pamela Anderson. Reverse is spotty at best. The truck shudders at low speed because of the 4 clutches slipping. The truck is extremely hard to control at speed because its center of gravity is so high and its wheelbase is so short. The stock tires are made out of 80,000 mile treadlife compound. The skidplates don't flex so much as snap. The transmission holds the center section of the truck together. The spur gear strips if the slipper clutch is locked down. The spur gear melts if the slipper clutch is too loose. The stock shocks blow their tops if you jump the truck higher than 4 feet. The truck uses phillips hardware everywhere. The radio boxes are screwed closed instead of clipped closed. Hey...a T-Maxx is a great truck, once you solve all of these problems, and more. The T-Maxx was a great truck when it came out. Now it's blown out of the water by any other truck on the market, especially in durability. Traxxas plastic is the worst in the industry, plain and simple. Proper placement of RPM parts and aluminum parts can make a T-Maxx quite durable, but for that money you could have an LST with RPM a-arms and a Picco .27. That would be tougher and far easier to work on. It would also handle much better, jump better and just basically be better in every way.

A modded T-Maxx can run with any stock truck, but once you put the right mods on current trucks, they all blow the doors off of the T-Maxx. It's too brittle, too unstable, too much of a pain to work on and just too cheaply designed to be a contender IMO.

The T-Maxx had its day. That day has passed. A mildly modified LST would walk all over any Maxx that is still close to it's stock form. A 2500 dollar all aluminum Maxx isn't stock.

Overall I still think the Monster GT and the TNX are the best balanced trucks on the market. They're both stone cold reliable, decently fast, extremely durable, and both are equally at home in the backyard or on the track. The LST can be a great basher with some light modifications, but it's more at home on the racetrack. The Savage is far and away the best pure bashing truck, and the Revo is arguably the best race truck (although I'd personally take a TNX over it). The Mad Force is the best "different" truck.

Of course all of this is my opinion and you don't have to believe a word of it, but I have a fair amount of experience with this stuff, and I have a lot more exposure to most of these vehicles than your average hobbyist since I work in a hobby shop. Take it or leave it, but that's my opinion on the current crop of monsters.

[RespirologyRC]

You work in a hobby shop!? So if I were to stop in and ask for something would you try to sell me a plane or helicopter?:)

[metalry101]

No, I'm not a pushy sales guy. Unlike a lot of hobby shop *******s (and yes...there are a lot of them, I know. I've been in a lot of hobby shops...it sucks...that's probably why you're always hearing about how a shop just closed down). No...I listen to what the customer needs and then let them know their options. If someone comes in with broken T-Maxx a-arms I'll tell them we have the stock ones, we have aluminum ones, but what they really want to get are the RPM ones since they'll never break them again. I'll also ask them if their hingepins are bent or if their bulkheads are broken. I'll point out some stuff that they might look at saving up for, like a FOC, aluminum bulkheads, RPM arms and towers, etc, but I don't try to make them buy all of that stuff. I don't like pushy salespeople who try to make me buy one thing. I like people who inform me of all of my options and let me make the decision based on my needs and wants, so I try to be that salesman.

[WorldOfNoise]

Hate to say this (and i know i am going to get flamed)... But only noobs use the manuals carb setting when running there engines.. most ("most") experienced users only use the manual as a base-line and tune from there..

There are too many variables that contribute to a carbs settings.. Such as altitude, humidity, temp., fuel brand, nitro content, oil content and glow plug used... It would impossible to have a "standard" setting that would work for every ones situation...


Yes!
My point explained better than I could!
There has to be a bunch of people out there running thier truck at the "manual" settings.

[metalry101]

And you become experienced how? Magic? We all gotta start somewhere. Once upon a time you were a noob at nitro too...and hopefully you didn't have people lording their tuning ability over you like you were some worthless being because you weren't a Jedi-master with the needles already.

[bpg1978]

Hey metalry101, I couldn't have agreed more with your opinion. Excellent break down of each truck. I've owned a few of these trucks and I listen to my friends complain about the rest. I love the LST and the few weaknesses fade away when you consider the most important technological advances. Mach 26 has a lot of power for a stock engine. Newbies certainly have the right to be ticked off if problems occur early on. But I said,"whateva, crap happens." It'll be replaced soon anyways.That's what racers do. And arms break on EVERY model.... sedans, stadium trucks, buggies, etc. Who cares. Aluminum diff cases don't cost much. The receiver issue I'm not aware of. I use the Xs3 pro radio/receiver. Let's focus on the good qualities of this bad boy. My opinion is that TNX and BFT are replicas of the T-maxx with all the kinks worked out. That's cool. They're great all around trucks. But Losi did a great job with bringing something unique to the table. And that Spyder, Raptor, Duratrax truck, etc are plain biters. HPI should be happy. They started a new trend also. So again, kudos to Traxxas, Losi, and HPI.

[RespirologyRC]

i'm a jedi ceo

[WorldOfNoise]

And you become experienced how? Magic? We all gotta start somewhere. Once upon a time you were a noob at nitro too...and hopefully you didn't have people lording their tuning ability over you like you were some worthless being because you weren't a Jedi-master with the needles already.
Funny you should say that, I learned how to tune from a heli guy. - no offence to the flyers - They are 'precise' (read obsessive) with thier tuning. Which is probably a good thing... So yes, I was lorded over, but not looked down upon, thus I learned FAST. Most people in this hobby aren't pricks, it's the ones who are that ruin it.
The best piece of advice I ever overheard was, "Even if the thought, 'My engine my be running lean' crosses your mind, richen up the high speed. You'll get a feel for it eventually."

We are a very opinionated breed, you just have to take what other people say with a grain of salt sometimes...

[RespirologyRC]

I'm a grain of salt ceo:)

[doesgo]

You a hater! What's better than the LST? Brute power, size, and agility? Sure, it's not the quickest, but I feel it has the best overall package.

WHOA!! How am I a hater? Because I tried to be funny? I'm no hater, I like the LST a lot! Overall it is one of the best RCs I've owned. There are a couple weak points, but ALL vehicles have their weak points. The LST is fast and handles great, it's tough to complain very much!

Loved your long post, metalry. I think you hit several nails on the head with it!

[Colt M4]

I have never had any problems with my LST. The Engine works perfectly fine. When I removed the washer it didn't even look like it hurt it. Never broke any arms yet. And never had any reciever problems.

[doesgo]

Same here except for the arms. Engine is running well and strong (I did remove the washer), no output shaft problems, and the receiver works great. As for the arms....RPMs are ready to be installed. Is that a weak point? Sure, but it's far from rare. The only vehicle I've ever owned that wouldn't benefit from stronger arms is my Savage. 2.5 years and still running the original arms despite some serious beatings.

[alvinm]

[QUOTE=ALJR]Hate to say this (and i know i am going to get flamed)... But only noobs use the manuals carb setting when running there engines.. most ("most") experianced users only use the manual as a base-line and tune from there..

Hey ALGR,I guess Gil and the rest of the boys are complete idiots when it comes to knowing how to tune the engines in supplied with their trucks :eek:

You contradict yourself in that statment,of course you use the manual settings as a base-line,thats why its there.

You know its ok to have defective parts,just ask ford and gm how many recalls they've had.

[Colt M4]

Hey has anyone gotten the super king pins yet. I am still waiting on them from my local hobby shop.

[bpg1978]

hey alvinm.... ford and gm....that's funny. But he makes a valid point. Anything sold in mass production is succeptable to errors (recalls). There's usually a race to get product developed, tested, and made available. Leaks come out about the product. When testing takes too long, impatient potential customers complain. And as a result, all the bugs are not worked out. Or maybe a system of development that's not 100% error proof is used. Hey, I know about that, I build transmissions at Ford Motor Company.

[doesgo]

You're so right, bpg. HPI caught a lot of flak for taking so long to get the 3-speed out, but they found a problem just after it was announced and fixing that problem took time. But I'd rather wait and buy a good, well-tested product than a POS.

What does this have to do with the LST? I'm not sure. I guess it seems like they thought out the rest of the truck quite well, but should have really put some gallons through a few engines to see how they act and last. Maybe they did and just didn't have any problems?

[ALJR]

And you become experienced how? Magic? We all gotta start somewhere. Once upon a time you were a noob at nitro too...and hopefully you didn't have people lording their tuning ability over you like you were some worthless being because you weren't a Jedi-master with the needles already.

ohh heck ya.. i blew up my first nitro engine.. But I didn't go around blaming quality control or "piss poor" this or that...

And BTW.. if ppl (most of whoom are from forums like this) didn't "lord" there tuning advice, I never would have learned.. You see, I learn from "my" mistakes. I don't/didn't blame my ignorance on some one/some thing else...

[bpg1978]

My dream for my LST........graphite woven chassis, aluminum arms, aluminum shock towers (since there's no roll bar or handle to stand up to hard flips), Collari 30 engine, aluminum diffs, titanium gear set (i think the orange ones are titanium), integy shock bodies, a new spring set, upgraded 23mm hubs, vantage graphite pipe/header, a new body and wheels/tires(HD series). What else am I missing?

[alvinm]

Just the money LOL!

[ALJR]

[QUOTE=ALJR]Hate to say this (and i know i am going to get flamed)... But only noobs use the manuals carb setting when running there engines.. most ("most") experianced users only use the manual as a base-line and tune from there..

Hey ALGR,I guess Gil and the rest of the boys are complete idiots when it comes to knowing how to tune the engines in supplied with their trucks :eek:

You contradict yourself in that statment,of course you use the manual settings as a base-line,thats why its there.

You know its ok to have defective parts,just ask ford and gm how many recalls they've had.

What the heck are you talking about? Where did you get that from what I said?

And no, I did not contridict my self! Maybe you should re-read my post AND the one I was responding to!

[Ball Racing]

I have super king pins on mine : :cool:
on those fake bead lock wheels, :o
with my welded gear onto main shaft in trans ;)
powered by my forum flamed Collari 30 :)

[bpg1978]

Ballracing......you have the collari30? How is it? Is it all that it's supposed to be?

[alvinm]

[QUOTE=alvinm]

What the heck are you talking about? Where did you get that from what I said?

And no, I did not contridict my self! Maybe you should re-read my post AND the one I was responding to!

Did you not say..
only noobs use the manuals carb setting when running there engines.. most ("most") experianced users only use the manual as a base-line and tune from there..

who do you think wrote the manual..aren't you implying that losi has no clue with carb settings?

[ALJR]

[QUOTE=ALJR]

Did you not say..
only noobs use the manuals carb setting when running there engines.. most ("most") experianced users only use the manual as a base-line and tune from there..

who do you think wrote the manual..aren't you implying that losi has no clue with carb settings?

So now I am implying? What ever happened to contridicting? Which is it now? And did you even bother to read the next paragraph?

"There are too many variables that contribute to a carbs settings.. Such as altitude, humidity, temp., fuel brand, nitro content, oil content and glow plug used... It would impossible to have a "standard" setting that would work for every ones situation"

Look, I really don't have the time or the patiance to get into a meaningless pi$$ing-contest with ya... What I stated above is a FACT! If you want to pick-and-choose what it means, fine (your entitled to your opinion). But don't try and twist my meaning around by only quoting every other statement!

[metalry101]

ohh heck ya.. i blew up my first nitro engine.. But I didn't go around blaming quality control or "piss poor" this or that...

And BTW.. if ppl (most of whoom are from forums like this) didn't "lord" there tuning advice, I never would have learned.. You see, I learn from "my" mistakes. I don't/didn't blame my ignorance on some one/some thing else...

If it was just me who blew my engine up I'd say I did something wrong. If you read you'll notice that everyone in here has either had problems themselves or knows someone (or even multiple people) who has had problems with the stock engine. Are that many people THAT far off on their tuning ability? No...it's a problem with the engine. Anyone who has basic knowledge of statistics could tell you that.

Oh...and there's a difference between lording your knowledge over people and sharing it in a way that is positive and helpful. Apparently your way is to insult everyone and tell them how inferior they are to you. You seem to be the typical jerk who ruins almost all r/c forums on the web, because instead of helping people in a pleasant manner, it seems you'd much rather tell them how stupid and ignorant they are and then shove the "right" way down their throat. Gee...wonder why this forum is so much more popular than all of the other r/c forums. Maybe because this is the only one that doesn't tolerate that kind of behavior? Why the hell are you in this thread anyways? Do you have an LST or did you just come in here to flame us and tell us how lousy our tuning skills are? We had a nice little LST "community" thing going on until you got here. Do us a favor and show yourself out of our thread. I know it's a public thread, free for all, but I for one vote you out of this one since you can't seem to do anything other than insult us, our trucks, and our tuning skills.

[alvinm]

I agree,if your just here to be negative and belittle everyones ability then theres not much of a need for your input on this forum.i have first hand knowledge of these motors letting go by an experienced rc'er.I'm that concerned that I haven't even started break in on my motor until I'm certain I've covered everything.I'm already pretty pissed that I have to take apart a motor on a rtr or should I say ready to rebuild.You've stated your case,move on and allow others dealing/dealt with this issue to continue searching for answers.We're not trashing the product,we are simply addressing issues that are obviously valid.No need to interject on each and every post you don't agree on,we know where you stand on this issue(we all suck and don't know how to tune these motors)

[bpg1978]

Maybe we all are misunderstanding ALJR. His statements about variables existing which have an effect on an engine's baseline settings are true. But can we really use that as an excuse or a reason for consistent engine malfunction amongst many experienced owners? Or the belief that we all are simply making mistakes and erroneous judgements. This isn't a matter of "we're just blaming the manufacture for our lack of knowledge." If this is your opinion, then it is just that...YOUR OPINION. It sucks, but it's your opinion. That is a flamboyant statement, thus belittling the experience and years of acquired wisdom that exist on this forum. That is, if this is what you are saying. But anyway, lets continue on and give, and receive practical, and sound advice on the LST. That's what we are here for.

[ALJR]

If it was just me who blew my engine up I'd say I did something wrong. If you read you'll notice that everyone in here has either had problems themselves or knows someone (or even multiple people) who has had problems with the stock engine. Are that many people THAT far off on their tuning ability? No...it's a problem with the engine. Anyone who has basic knowledge of statistics could tell you that.

Oh...and there's a difference between lording your knowledge over people and sharing it in a way that is positive and helpful. Apparently your way is to insult everyone and tell them how inferior they are to you. You seem to be the typical jerk who ruins almost all r/c forums on the web, because instead of helping people in a pleasant manner, it seems you'd much rather tell them how stupid and ignorant they are and then shove the "right" way down their throat. Gee...wonder why this forum is so much more popular than all of the other r/c forums. Maybe because this is the only one that doesn't tolerate that kind of behavior? Why the hell are you in this thread anyways? Do you have an LST or did you just come in here to flame us and tell us how lousy our tuning skills are? We had a nice little LST "community" thing going on until you got here. Do us a favor and show yourself out of our thread. I know it's a public thread, free for all, but I for one vote you out of this one since you can't seem to do anything other than insult us, our trucks, and our tuning skills.

Jeeese.. where to begin!..
First off, I NEVER said "all" these problems are cause by UE! And I seriouslly doubt that EVERYONE has or knows of some one with problems. I for one did not have any engine problems, nor do I know of any one who has..

ALSO, who did I insult?! Just because I offer my "opinion" (MY OPINION), does not mean I am insulting them. I tried explaining my theory about the carb settings! Guess thats not helpfull?! I am not shoving any thing down any ones throat! I have stated MANY times that these are MY opinions and you can take them however you like... Yes I do have a LST. Why else would I offer input on the LST? Im not one of these Tmaxx fanatics who trash every thing non-traxxas! So now your telling me I should not post in here! Who the heck do you think you are? If you don't like what I have to say, DON'T COMMENT ON IT THEN! Why am I even explaining my self to you! If you wish to discuss this further, send me an IM. There is no need for this nonsence to be posted in the thread!

[Challenger]

your kidding, right?

Duno if i am misunderstanding you. But your saying you would take a UE Tmaxx over a LST? Because thats the only way a Tmaxx would make it through a day w/o somthing braking! Also, is it really fair to compare a $2000 UE Tmaxx to a LST? I don't even think it would be fair to compare a stock Tmaxx to a LST.. The LST is 1/8 and a Tmaxx is 1/10

Ok, I must ask a question that shows my lack of knowledge in the RC truck world. What is a $2000 UE Tmaxx? Are the wheels gold plated or? Any pictures of one of these? :)

[ALJR]

Ok, I must ask a question that shows my lack of knowledge in the RC truck world. What is a $2000 UE Tmaxx? Are the wheels gold plated or? Any pictures of one of these? :)

UE stands for Ultimate Engineering, UE is an after-market parts manufacturer that specializes in the Tmaxx. All of there parts are very high end and of the utmost quality. Thus the high price tag.. So if you outfitted your Tmaxx with all UE parts, you would have a very light, nearly industructable, $3000 (give or take a little) Tmaxx..

One of my buddies has a couple UE maxx's (one full blown) and there very nice in design and performance.. Not really worth it "IMO"... But still very nice :)

[toughtrax1]

I've got a question for you guys I just got a LST and I really am not all that happy with it, it just seems to be really heavy and slower then my other MT. I have a good eng tune so thats not the problem so my question to you is what could I take off to sheed some weight

[alvinm]

I don't think you will get that snappy throttle response you get from the tmaxx and the savage but midrange and top end is pretty good.I suggest a stronger clutch and possibly lighter wheels and tires.

[alvinm]

Does the stock lst engine like 30% fuel?

[bpg1978]

The stock engine (mach 26) will except 30% fuel. Just make certain the needles are not overly lean. It's more critical to ensure proper needle settings with a higher percentage nitro content.

[Colt M4]

Which hingepins are probably better the lunsford titanium ones or the ti-ni hinge pins?

[WorldOfNoise]

I have the lunsfords, and I have seen the Ti-ni ones at the store.
If the Ti-ni coating is anything like what I had on the (old school) XXT-cr, it will eventually scratch off. Leaving you with a regular steel Losi hingepin that has a tendency to rust. -at least if you don't clean them regularly
The lunsfords are lighter (not that it really matters on a vehicle this size) and will not bend as easy, if at all!

[Colt M4]

So you reccommend the lunsford ones? Did you also get the turnbuckles? And if so how do you like them?

[WorldOfNoise]

Yes, I did get the whole set, it even came with a nice turnbuckle wrench.
How could you not like a lifetime warranty? (evil laugh)
Imo, a very solid product. I do recommend them...

[Colt M4]

They come with a lifetime warranty?

[WorldOfNoise]

Yes they do! But only the turnbuckles...
http://www.lunsfordracing.com/_borders/1564447d.gif (http://www.lunsfordracing.com/guarantee.htm)
Click to read the guarantee

[bpg1978]

Where'd all the regulars go?
Did you all get scared off? Dang! Anyways, I want my stock LST to be as fast as possible. Forget the cost. I'm going to sell my mod NTC3 to get money to invest into it. What should I change? Which is the fastest engine? Should I go graphite on the chassis? Get rid of reverse? Give me some suggestions please.

[alvinm]

Well it finally happened,motor blew with about 6 tanks.I have never seen such a sensitive motor in my live.Its pretty pathetic if you ask me.I'm no guru at tuning but I've been racing 1/10 on road for about 5 years and never had an engine go.I'll be sending my motor back in the same box that they sent my buddies motor in.I don't even feel like taking the motor apart too see what happened :mad: You guys with newer trucks,I suggest you baby it and run it as rich as possible,thats the only way its going to last.

I guess this was user error too right :mad:

[ALJR]

I guess this was user error too right :mad:

could be.. but since you have experiance with on road (im assuming nitro), it is unlikely.. why not open her up and let us see?

6 tanks total? if so, thats still a new motor and would require more brake-in time (IMO)..

either way, it sucl<s that you have to deal with this..

tower has the picco .27 for $174.00 and they also have a $15 off coupon for orders over $150! thats were i got mine from..

[alvinm]

Could be but I doubt it,losi has got a big issue here with this newer batch of motors.I'll open her up to see and post pics but I'm really not intrested in using that motor again to be honest.Whats your experience with the pico?Easy to tune? compatable with easy start?

[ALJR]

Im a huge fan of the picco .26 (wasp picco to be exact). I had three, curently have two (one in my savage and one in my ofna 9.5 truggy)... I never had any desire to roto-start them, so i can't comment on that.. I would have to image it would work just fine (as long as your using the proper roto-start back plate for the picco motor)..

IMO, the picco .26 was/is the best engine for under $200, maybe even under $300! I have heard of tuning issues with them (idle not returning to neutural quick) and only experianced that problem on one of my picco's, but easilly fixed it w/ a plug change.. The power on the 26 is great and the rpm range is decent for a big block..

I can't really comment on the picco .27 yet, as its in the process of being mounted (just arived today).. the 27 is replacing the 26 and has a very nice 8-port sleeve, as well as a knife-edge con-rod.. other than that, every thing else appears to be the same..

[alvinm]

Checked out tower,says its not available till late may,is that where you got it?

[ALJR]

Checked out tower,says its not available till late may,is that where you got it?

yup.. i ordered mine on firday, received it today:) going to start the brake-in saturday.. ill post how every thing goes..

so far, nothing major... had to remove the washer from behind the flywheel (no washer behind now) so the clutch nut had more threads to catch onto.. prolly could have worked w/ the one washer, but every thing still lined up perfect (bell/spur mesh) and having th extra couple of threads for the clutch nut to grab onto gives me a lil more peace of mind..

btw,, i also installed the losi performance pads (fiberglass ones) and im not too pleased w/ them.. they bind up a bit. preventing the brakes from returning to full neutural (they drag a bit).. im hoping they will wear-in and losen up once i get some time on them...

any one else have any experiances with these pads??

[WorldOfNoise]

...any one else have any experiances with these pads??
I do. They don't fade as much as stock, and they don't have that, "toss the truck on it's lid" feel. I use them with a CF brake rotor, because I didn't like how spongey they felt with the metal ones. All good now...
http://photos4.flickr.com/6443858_2c2f6aab05_t.jpg (http://photos4.flickr.com/6443858_2c2f6aab05_o.jpg) click to enlarge

They do seem to wear quite quick. The pads that is, not the 36 layer CF rotor.

[ALJR]

you like the cf rotor better than the two metal discs?

just a sugestion for ya, rather than doubling up on the fiber pads like you have. you may want to consider using the metal pades behind the fiber ones instead of using two fibers on one side.. the metal will conduct and disipate heat away from the disk better then the fiber ones, thus reducing brake-fade even further..

i have also seen a fined aluminum brake holder (the C-shaped stock piece of metal) that replaces the stock metal one.. it looked like it would provide pleanty of cooling...

[WorldOfNoise]

Heat!? no way....
You can stick your finger right on the brakes after a couple of laps on the track. I'm shure it gets hot, but it dissipates so quick I don't worry about it. Brake fade, I don't notice any.
The reason the two pads are stacked; the thickness of the rotor is the same as the two stock metal ones, and it keeps it off the top of the setsrcew. (just in case)

[TakeMeDown]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me! If ANYONE knows the carb settings for the Nova XSP 28 engine i really would appreciate to know! I need the original settinfs or if you have a general idea for the north eastern new jersey area settings? Its in my LST and I am having some trouble with it after letting it sit for awhile? Wont stay running and I know the settings are worng for sure and have gone so far out of wack I need to just start from the original factory settings. PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME AND EMAIL THE ANSWER IF YOU CAN! youbringmedown@comcast.net

[crawlermaxx]

How long are the shocks on an LST? I need to know for a project. Thanks.

[ncgrunt]

Well, my Picco .27 came into, with Mugen shoes and 1.1 springs. Now, if I could just light a fire under Horizon to get my Tx back....

Btw, anybody interested in the replacement Mach they'll be sending me?

[crawlermaxx]

Never mind on the shock size.

[alvinm]

I should be getting my motor back from horizon soon.Im curious to know how many people with serial# 14000 and above have put at least a gallon through their machs.

[Colt M4]

Has anyone heard anything about a O.S. big block for monster trucks?

[Monsterbrad]

My buddy's Mach has over 2 gallons through it all I know is it's a second run one and the one that I had was a first run one and it had did not have the washer on the crank but his did.
I removed it just after a gallon and it was looking like a problem cause it was ovaled out a bit.
He has also pounded the crap outa his truck and it has never broken anything other than the body.
My first run version was nothing but trouble!
breakin drive shafts all the time.
I still think this truck is the best cause I have tested them all at this point pretty much!
Just can't get a better all around super fast Monster truck :D

[ncgrunt]

You guys that have had to send stuff back to Horizon, how long did it take to get the replacements back? It's been a month now since I sent the Mach back, 3 weeks since I sent the XS3 and the lhs still hasn't called me saying that the replacements are in. I guess I'm gonna have to go tear into 'em tomorrow.

[Colt M4]

Just keep calling. My dad had to call five times just to get a new shock nut because the threads were messed up.

[bpg1978]

Hey Colt M4.....have you heard of O.S. coming out w/ a big Block? I haven't, but I sure am waiting. Forget a .27, or .28. Go big and challenge the Collari and Sirio .30's. I'd get one for sure. Hey ncgrunt.....it took me 4-6 weeks to get my engine back. Sucks, huh? But atleast it runs perfect now. Go ahead and buy a back-up! :)

[Chevy-SS]

Man, all I wanna know is how do you guys race with the LST? I mean, I LIKE the truck. It comes with a great engine and super-plush suspension. The JR radio is the one I had bought already and still use ('til I get a Spektrum setup).

My point is: I just hardly ever see the LST's finishing all the heats AND the main. They break worse than anything I ever saw.

I run a Monster GT and almost always finish through the heats AND main. I know it takes a lot of maintenance to keep a monster truck running through the heats and the main. But I am surprised that the LST seems to keep breaking.

I'm disappointed, 'cause I like the competition and it sucks to end up with only a few trucks in the main 'cause all the LST's have broken.

I hope you guys can figure this out, heheh.

[alvinm]

What breaks,suspension arms?Buy rpm's and your done.

[metalry101]

What breaks,suspension arms?Buy rpm's and your done.

Correction, buy RPM arms, throw away the stainless steel turnbuckle. Purchase Lunsford Ti turnbuckles to use instead. Then you're done.

[WorldOfNoise]

How do those Lunsfords fit, you bought the 5x25mm, if I remember correctly?

[metalry101]

I ordered the 5x25's, but then a customer wanted them so I sold them to him and ordered myself some 5x40's. they fit like they were designed specifically for it. Seriously, they're perfect.

[WorldOfNoise]

Thanks! That saves me from ordering the arms measuring the stock piece and then waiting for the Lunsfords.

[Ball Racing]

I see Brad is backing the LST again, you know the one he sold because of problems :p

[Monsterbrad]

I did not say that I was backing it fully there are things about it that I do not like at all but its just fast thats all.
Trying it again hope this one is better.
My buds second run one was way better than the one that I had.
I just like to try them all then keep the ones that I like after a few rounds with them.
So far I have been impressed with the LSP,LST,MGT and I hate to say this but the Revo was pretty good also....................Just too slow!
Have not even touched the LST yet still sitting on the Bench looking pretty :D

[abels621]

hey guys! first time poster here. man this thing does look awesome. LST or Revo? what do you think?

[Monsterbrad]

I have had them both !!!
I would say the LST cause its faster but the Revo is a tough truck but will need an engine thats faster.
I have heard that the Revo does well with a bigger engine but things are so jamed in the chassis its kinda messy.
But then again you are comparing an 1/8 scale to a 1/10 scale.
Bigger is always better when it comes to monster trucks!
Good luck with you decision!

[metalry101]

The Revo is a good truck, but it's too small. It's like a big stadium truck, whereas the LST is an enormous monster truck. The Revo has a lot of nifty features, and some wickedly brilliant engineering...but I'd still buy an LST over it any day.

[alvinm]

Are box stock lst's faster(top end)then revos?My buddy has a revo and it moves pretty good.How about in general on the track?

[metalry101]

If both manufacturer's claims are accurate, then they're all but dead even on the top end. Losi claims the LST will do 45, and Traxxas claims 40+. RCCA did a shootout with the T-Maxx and Revo and I believe the Revo topped out at 43 or so. Basically no difference.

On a small track, a Revo will have an advantage due to it's smaller size. The LST will be just as fast, if not faster on a larger track, and will probably be more composed over rough sections due to it's longer wheelbase. Both trucks handle like a dream, but the LST will be a bit less twitchy because of its wheelbase. Stock for stock, they'd probably be well matched for each other. With some weight savings mods and a boost in power for both trucks, the Revo might have a slight edge in power to weight ratio, but if there is too much power and a lot of traction, it will have an exceptionally hard time putting all that power to the ground, whereas the LST would probably be more likely to use it since it's less likely to wheelie over backwards. Overall, it's preference and driving style. Also, it depends on the class. I dunno if your local track has a small block and big block track, but if it does, buy the LST for the big block class, and maybe a Revo for the small block class.

Oh...and as for the reason I say maybe about the Revo in the small block class...well...I'd buy a TNX Pro before a Revo any day.

[bpg1978]

Hey, has anyone read the 2005 Car Action Monster Truck mag yet? They competed the LST, Revo, TNX, Savage 25, and MGT. Who won......LST!!! Killed 'em! Revo was second overall.Then TNX, then MGT and finally Savage 25. Looks like I invested my money wisely.

[Monsterbrad]

I did a straight up drag race with my Revo vs my buds LST !!!!!
All I can say is the LST will smoke it till they get rolling then the Revo catches up but the LST will rock just about any rtr out there for speed and acceleration!
Thats why i have another one! :)

[markanda]

Hey, has anyone read the 2005 Car Action Monster Truck mag yet? They competed the LST, Revo, TNX, Savage 25, and MGT. Who won......LST!!! Killed 'em! Revo was second overall.Then TNX, then MGT and finally Savage 25. Looks like I invested my money wisely.

When I made the move to the Monster truck - there was no doubt what to get, L S T. Losi did its homework. Has anyone found a billet or replacement fuel tank for the LST ? Btw, the TNX pro is a nice truck - but parts or dealers that stock parts for them are hard to find from what I hear. The TNX and Savage SS 4.6 were the only ones out there that could give me a run for the money.

[Monsterbrad]

the savage 4.6 will not beat this truck at all!
I had one and its not that fast but they are tough!
Also do any of you guys know if Dynamite is still putting that nasty little washer in the engine on the crank shaft?????????????????????????
Getting mine ready for break in :)

[bpg1978]

You'd have to call them about that. It seems likely that they would have fixed that since the pandemic of engine failures that existed early on. And I HAD a Savage w/ an O.S.. 21RG and it was then able to keep up w/ T-maxxes and Revos but it wasn't as quick as them. A very strong, and reliable truck but just doesn't have that competitive edge I was looking for. A ladder frame chassis isn't the best choice for racing. And whoever designed that receiver/battery compartment needs to be smacked around a bit.

[bpg1978]

You'd have to call them about that. It seems likely that they would have fixed that since the pandemic of engine failures that existed early on. And I HAD a Savage w/ an O.S.. 21RG and it was then able to keep up w/ T-maxxes and Revos but it wasn't as quick as them. A very strong, and reliable truck but just doesn't have that competitive edge I was looking for. A ladder frame chassis isn't the best choice for racing. And whoever designed that receiver/battery compartment needs to be smacked around a bit.

[Monsterbrad]

The LST I think has the best radio lay out of them!
It's easy to get to and all that.
Plus the battery under the truck is a great idea.
I am happy to have another one of these bad boys :D

[metalry101]

the savage 4.6 will not beat this truck at all!
I had one and its not that fast but they are tough!

Actually, it will. I've seen a 4.6 Savage in action. God damn it was fast. Oh, and I've got a 4.6 in my MGT. Same thing. It'll outrun my LST, even with my Picco .27. The 4.6 Savage is tougher and faster than an LST. The LST will kill it in handling, and overall I think it's just a better truck, but the 4.6 is stupidly powerful, and the Savage is indestructable, so combined they're incredible...and frankly it's the best basher money can buy, period.

[metalry101]

The LST I think has the best radio lay out of them!
It's easy to get to and all that.
Plus the battery under the truck is a great idea.
Nah, the MGT's is better. 6 screws (including the two that hold the horns on the servos), and every piece of radio gear on the truck comes right out. Seriously, no other truck can match that. The LST's layout is pretty nice, but it's nothing compared to the MGT's.

[ALJR]

Nah, the MGT's is better. 6 screws (including the two that hold the horns on the servos), and every piece of radio gear on the truck comes right out. Seriously, no other truck can match that. The LST's layout is pretty nice, but it's nothing compared to the MGT's.


ya, but the mgt has the worst hinge-pin design i have ever seen.. if your wheel hits something hard enough, it will treak the aluminum holder and bend the screws..

in short, every truck has there pro's and cons.. choose the one that makes you happy :)

[Chevy-SS]

Well, no doubt that a stock LST will beat a stock MGT. However, once the MGT gets a decent engine and tires, then all bets are off. It's real even at that point.

MGT does have some weak points. As noted above, upper a-arm hinge pin mounts are bad design. MGT ball-ends are weak and need to be constantly replaced or switched out (I now use Dubro Monster Ball-Ends). MGT diffs need shimming to move pinion into ring gear more. On the plus side, MGT is super-easy to clean and repair.

LST has awesome plush chassis and handles great right out of the box. Mach .26 gives it good power.

Went to local race last night, 8 entries total, 5 with LST's. Only 2 of the LST's actually made it to the main (only 2 heats). After his LST broke, one of the LST guys looked at me and said, "this is why Losi guys bring comfortable chairs, so that we can watch you Associated guys race."

[markanda]

Well, no doubt that a stock LST will beat a stock MGT.... "this is why Losi guys bring comfortable chairs, so that we can watch you Associated guys race."

Funny post, however I am always fixing those AE trucks !

[bpg1978]

Hey Chevy-SS, do you recall what broke on the LST? I'm in the process of upgrading all weak points. The LST can be easily over driven. Stock has insane power, unlike a slower geared and less powerful MGT. This makes driving the AE easier. Hey, this is a side thought......do you all think that other manufactures will copy-cat the Revo's design like they did the T-maxx and Savage?

[Monsterbrad]

I hope not cause I see the Revo not being that much better with all that Bling suspension on there at the track or anywhere for that matter.
I feel the LST and the MGT and the LSP are better trucks cause of the power thing.
The Revo is no comparison to the LST at all in my mind.
THis truck rips the REvo is slow.

[asw7576]

I would like to check with you guys LST owners. Can your car's steering servos are able to turn the front wheels easily at standing still position?

I can't barely move mine even with two 13kg servos ( Sanwa WRX ERG ).

[Monsterbrad]

This truck is heavy so the servo's struggle even the higher torque ones that you can put in there will stilll struggle at a stand still.
Also does anybody know what shock oil weight they put in from the factory?????????

[Colt M4]

30wt shock oil but i put in 40 with black springs it works pretty good for racing.

[WorldOfNoise]

I have one JR DS-8611 for my steering. Works great! It can't turn the wheels at a stand still either.

[Monsterbrad]

My front shocks appear to be leaking from somewhere but I can't really tell.
Not that it matters that much!
I have not even started the truck yet debating on whether to pull the engine and check for that evil little washer on the crank and pack the one way with one way bearing grease!

[Ball Racing]

Take the time and pull it,
it takes no more time than playing on the computer..... ;)

Plus your owners manual tells about the shock oil weight, and diff weight,
and suggestions on both.... :)

[ALJR]

what the heck is "one-way bearing grease"? never knew there was such a grease..

the one-way is internal and gets its lubercation from the fuel..

[markanda]

what the heck is "one-way bearing grease"? never knew there was such a grease..

the one-way is internal and gets its lubercation from the fuel..

I was under the impression for the last ten years that you dont lubricate a one way bearing under any circumstances ! :confused: :confused:

[Monsterbrad]

Well let me tell you that this grease is the ****!
I had problems with the one way in a couple of my engine's and this stuff works let me tell you.
I got it from Speed Zone Bill (that no longer works there swears by this stuff)
Give them a call
get some
1-866-590-0763
I love the stuff and put it in all my engine's and have had no problems :D

[ALJR]

if/when i clean my one-way. i use nitro cleaner or brake cleaner, then lube it with either a drop of after run or a quick spray of wd40... either way, my bearing is internal (unlike some others engines where the one way is exterior w/ the pull starter) and will quickly lose any oil i put on it. as the nitro fuel will clean it off after a few minutes of running the engine.. btw, im running the picco .27...

[metalry101]

I think it's Ofna that makes a one-way grease. I know the shop I work at sells it, and I'm pretty sure it's Ofna, but I can't remember. I'll have to look next time I go in.

Oh...and that Picco .27 is pretty damn mean eh? That's the craziness I've got in my LST right now. I like it. Starts easily every time, easy to tune, and it runs like a champ. Now if only I could find a clutch setup I like I'd be pretty much set.

[asw7576]

I use Mugen Seiki white shoe clutch and Mugen clutch springs 1.1 thickness

I use tamiya ceramic grease for all kind of gears.

I'm going to kill this truck IF IT STILL doesn't move after I replace the steering servo with Hitec 5995TG 24kg x 2.

[WorldOfNoise]

I use Mugen Seiki white shoe clutch and Mugen clutch springs 1.1 thickness

I use tamiya ceramic grease for all kind of gears.

I'm going to kill this truck IF IT STILL doesn't move after I replace the steering servo with Hitec 5995TG 24kg x 2.

Are you trying to make a rock crawler out of your LST?

[ALJR]

I think it's Ofna that makes a one-way grease. I know the shop I work at sells it, and I'm pretty sure it's Ofna, but I can't remember. I'll have to look next time I go in.

Oh...and that Picco .27 is pretty damn mean eh? That's the craziness I've got in my LST right now. I like it. Starts easily every time, easy to tune, and it runs like a champ. Now if only I could find a clutch setup I like I'd be pretty much set.

i had an issue with mine.. the hub that the one-way bearing is pressed into developed a crack, causing the one-way to spin, making it very hard to start..

here is my thread about it:
http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=198078

[Chevy-SS]

.....................
I'm going to kill this truck IF IT STILL doesn't move after I replace the steering servo with Hitec 5995TG 24kg x 2.

I use one of these servos on my Monster GT. I also use a LiPo RX pack, with 7.4v, so the advertised torque is around 400oz, heheh. I have heard this servo eats juice fast, but I usually re-peak after every heat, so it doesn't matter to me.

:)

[Monsterbrad]

This truck is hard on reciever batteries any ways stock!
All those darn servo's!
Oh well
Its still a cool truck glad to have it back again.
Need new aluminum cases and for the diffs still then it will be ready to go!

[asw7576]

I'm thinking to create my own battery pack using GP2300 AA batteries x 5. Nice ? ...... hhmmm, where can I mount them ? maybe at rear suspension tower.

[Colt M4]

Hey has anybody tried a Li-Po battery for the Reciever?

[alvinm]

I asked this question in another forum.Theres a company that sells them for cars,can't think of the name right now.It will work if you use a voltage regulator and some some sort of voltage cutoff so as to not drain the lipos too low(not good)

[Monsterbrad]

One of these battery companies just needs to come out with a standard 5 cell flat pack thats like 2000 Mah in NiMh!
That would solve the problem I think

[alvinm]

http://www.rcdriver.com/articles/scorpion_1.shtml

These are nice,especially the 3200 mah pack :eek:Only problem,its for electric cars :mad:

[metalry101]

Novak sells the regulator that you speak of. I dunno if it has the cut off though. I'd imagine it does, but I'm not sure.

[ALJR]

I'm thinking to create my own battery pack using GP2300 AA batteries x 5. Nice ? ...... hhmmm, where can I mount them ? maybe at rear suspension tower.

thats what i did.. i used 2500mah "AA" x5 and made the pack in a 3x2 hump style design.. it fits under the fuel tank with very minimal tank modification (i had to cut the plasic flap off, the flap that keeps the stock 4-cell holder in place).. when i cut the flap off, i left about 1/4"-3/8". that was enough to fit the larger pack w/o interfearing with the structural intergrity of the fuel tank, not to mention it holds the large pack in place.

[asw7576]

I'm going to make them (3x2 hump pack)

I played my LST on the mud yesterday :cool: I can't barely see the internal parts due to mud things. It was super ugly, dirty, and tough just like running it in deep Amazon jungle,........ but the truck took all the beatings and finally gave up with a stuck pull start.

[Chevy-SS]

I'm going to make them (3x2 hump pack)

I played my LST on the mud yesterday :cool: I can't barely see the internal parts due to mud things. It was super ugly, dirty, and tough just like running it in deep Amazon jungle,........ but the truck took all the beatings and finally gave up with a stuck pull start.

Sounds great that you got a good run. Now, how do you clean all that mud and crud off your LST?

[Challenger]

Sounds great that you got a good run. Now, how do you clean all that mud and crud off your LST?


He will probably need to completely dismantle it. Only one thing worse is running on sand. Based on experience, the only good truck for sand is a Savage. I own two LST’s and wouldn’t even think about running them on sand. T MAXX is not too bad on sand but the servo that hangs underneath the truck will get sand into it. :)

[ALJR]

I would rather run the lst in sand over the savage.. The diff/skid plate design of the savage always allows dirt and sand to enter (mine are even rtv'ed and over time sand still works its way in).. The lst has a better sealed diff design, minimizing the amount of debris allowed to enter (very minimal)..

either way, i wouldn't hesitate to run either in sand :)

[Monsterbrad]

Sand= problems!
It gets into everything
thats all there is too it

[smileyboy]

I am new to the nitro and mt sceen. I like the MGT and LST.
Just wondering why the LST cost $599, can it be found cheaper? Does the LST break a lot still? Will a 4.6 savage motor fit the LST?

thanks

I will be using mine for back yard bashing and the occacional race.

[markanda]

I am new to the nitro and mt sceen. I like the MGT and LST.
Just wondering why the LST cost $599, can it be found cheaper? Does the LST break a lot still? Will a 4.6 savage motor fit the LST?

thanks

I will be using mine for back yard bashing and the occacional race.


LST can be found cheaper than 599 but it is worth every penny. Good truck and a better than averag radio comes with the LST (unlike the MGT) and you wont need that savage engine for backyard bashing !

[markanda]

LST can be found cheaper than 599 but it is worth every penny. Good truck and a better than averag radio comes with the LST (unlike the MGT) and you wont need that savage engine for backyard bashing !

Also check out lstcentral.com for some LST info !!

[metalry101]

The MGT and LST both rock. Personally, I think the MGT is the better overall truck. It's more reliable and tougher. The LST handles better and comes with a better radio, and is also considerably faster before the engine blows up. The HPI 4.6 is a direct bolt in for either truck (I have that engine in my MGT).

You can't lose either way really, but the LST will cost you more money in the end because you'll want to upgrade the diff cases and a-arms, and have extra money laying around just in case you get one with the deffective con rod.

[markanda]

The MGT and LST both rock. Personally, I think the MGT is the better overall truck. It's more reliable and tougher. The LST handles better and comes with a better radio, and is also considerably faster before the engine blows up. The HPI 4.6 is a direct bolt in for either truck (I have that engine in my MGT).

You can't lose either way really, but the LST will cost you more money in the end because you'll want to upgrade the diff cases and a-arms, and have extra money laying around just in case you get one with the deffective con rod.

I have had gallons thru and (knock on wood) no engine issues, I did find crack in stock diff case, alum diff upgrade is inexpensive and necessary. Still, the MGT in any config is yet to touch the LST in my area !

[metalry101]

It's a personal preference thing. I love both trucks, but I think the MGT is a better truck, especially in stock form.

As for the engine troubles, some people have them, some don't. I've had 4 or 5 customers have their conrods go out on them. I don't have that with ANY other truck, so I know it's not all user error, it's poor manufacturing.

[Colt M4]

Anybody try the hardcore racing brakes yet? and if so how do they work?

[Monsterbrad]

I am on my second LST here and I can say that I own both!
Anybody that knows me here i have had them all.
I have to say that the LST and the MGT are great trucks and they both have there weaknesses and strenghts!
THe MGT is slow in stock form where the LST rips!
THe MGT is tougher but the LST will just flat out out perform the MGT hands down.
I have both trucks for different reasons!
but I like them both thats why i decided to keep them both!

[Monsterbrad]

Well this is bad
anybody that reads this!
I got a new LST about three weeks ago and had it out a little bit ago to break in the engine.
It blew up
lots of metal in the engine and three glow plugs.
I hope that Losi will send me a new engine!

[alvinm]

They will.I sent mine back without a receipt and got a new one.The motors they are shipping seem to be better.I've got about half gallon through mine,so far so good :)

[Monsterbrad]

yeah this was a reall shocker!
I have had 4 of these engine's and my 2 buds have a couple of them and they all have been great!
oh well I will call them first thing tuesday and get a new one I hope!

[Ball Racing]

Whats strange is, it's the same rod as the sport werks, and I have had 4 of those engines, and no rod troubles, even after heavy case, port, and crank mods.....

[Monsterbrad]

I sent it to them today!
I tore it down before sending it and the rod bearing was toast.
half the bearing was missing and the inside of the engine is all tore up.
Oh well
I hope they send me a new one.

[markanda]

I sent it to them today!
I tore it down before sending it and the rod bearing was toast.
half the bearing was missing and the inside of the engine is all tore up.
Oh well
I hope they send me a new one.

I heard that they have been sending them back within a week !

[metalry101]

Not a snowball's chance in hell they'll get it back in a week. We've had customers that sent them in over a month ago and still haven't gotten them back.

[markanda]

Not a snowball's chance in hell they'll get it back in a week. We've had customers that sent them in over a month ago and still haven't gotten them back.

It has happened, might have been a freak of nature - but it did ! I am fortunate that I have been very lucky with LST #2928 the arm issue was no biggie, still overall the best bang for your buck on the truck market. I am awaiting for them to realease an "Adam Drake Edition" LST.

[ALJR]

I suppose if you live in the same zip-code as where the motor was being shipped, you might get it back in a week..

east to west coast travel time alone (both ways) would be around 2 weeks.. at thats assuming they ship out items like this daily.. now they would have to inspect the engine and god only knows how many warrantee claims they have to go through (not just lst claims, but all warranty items).. So 4 weeks seems fair (by there standards).. I would have to imagine that under 3 weeks would be fair for the consumer..

[markanda]

I suppose if you live in the same zip-code as where the motor was being shipped, you might get it back in a week..

east to west coast travel time alone (both ways) would be around 2 weeks.. at thats assuming they ship out items like this daily.. now they would have to inspect the engine and god only knows how many warrantee claims they have to go through (not just lst claims, but all warranty items).. So 4 weeks seems fair (by there standards).. I would have to imagine that under 3 weeks would be fair for the consumer..

Glad I dont have to deal with this issue.....does anyone know if the center CVDs by MIP are short like the stock ones and does the replacement ones from losi fit correctly (not at the end of the drive cup).

[ALJR]

Glad I dont have to deal with this issue.....does anyone know if the center CVDs by MIP are short like the stock ones and does the replacement ones from losi fit correctly (not at the end of the drive cup).

I never had to deal with them either. although i should have sent them back my broken outer diff cases as they cracked VERY easy and i also broke a front cvd bone...

the short cvd's make it easier to remove the center gear box. they allow you to slide the gear box forward/backward to remove it w/o having to pull the front or rear diff..

besides, have you ever poped out a dog bone? i never have, nor have i seen any one elses pop out (not to say its not impossible) and mine are barely in the drive cups..

if they do pop out easy, you might want to check the screws on the front/rear bulk-head covers (pn B2151) as they hold the spacers (pn: B2257) in place which keeps the diff securly seated in the bulk-heads (pn:B2257)..

[metalry101]

^^^ Agreed.

I've lawn darted my truck from 15 feet and just plain rallied it. I take care of my truck, but I use it HARD, and I've never, ever had a problem with the dogbone end of the center drives. I've had the set screws back out on the diff end of the drive, causing my truck to lose four wheel drive, but the center junctions haven't given me an iota of trouble.

[patrick scot]

i am soon to be a lst owner and would like to know what is the best option to make the brakes more stable for racing. thank you

[markanda]

i am soon to be a lst owner and would like to know what is the best option to make the brakes more stable for racing. thank you

Pat, on the LSTCentral forum they really covered the brake issue with pix and all !

After seeing Steve last week and myself deal with the dogbones - they are one of the few weak links on the LST....(if any)

[ALJR]

Pat, on the LSTCentral forum they really covered the brake issue with pix and all !

After seeing Steve last week and myself deal with the dogbones - they are one of the few weak links on the LST....(if any)

ppl are STILL having problems with the cvd's? I blew mine and i head allot of ppl having problems with the early batches. but i thought the problem was resolved?! mine has been holding up fine since the replacement and im prety sure the first one of mine broke from abuse (jumping parking lot islands and landing on cement)..

if any thing, i would put the diff cases first on my list of upgrades.. JMO

[patrick scot]

Pat, on the LSTCentral forum they really covered the brake issue with pix and all !

After seeing Steve last week and myself deal with the dogbones - they are one of the few weak links on the LST....(if any)
marc i took your advice and it seems the losi hp fiberglass brakes will be fine for now. i'm going to get the alum. diffs, 2nd gear cover, 5 cell pack. rpm arms, hp pads. pat

[alvinm]

Does anyone know if losi upgraded the diff covers somehow?Mine seem to be holding up well from the abuse I've given it.I figured they would have given by now.By the way horizon received my motor on the 6th and I got it back on the 16th.Some people are receiving new complete motors rather then getting theirs fixed so it might cut down the time.

[markanda]

Does anyone know if losi upgraded the diff covers somehow?Mine seem to be holding up well from the abuse I've given it.I figured they would have given by now.By the way horizon received my motor on the 6th and I got it back on the 16th.Some people are receiving new complete motors rather then getting theirs fixed so it might cut down the time.

FIRST HAND NEWS from Horizion - all LSTs are being recalled that are on shipment to LHS's. I was at a LHS today while waiting for UPS to bring the LST I was waiting for to pick up for a friend. While there I answer the phone and help out and Horizion hobby called and told me that they were sending a pickup ticket for the LST that was rec'd due to the engine problem. There was no date either for when they would be shipped.

I guess ten days is not too far off from a week on turnaround for engine replacement huh ? Anyway, glad I have #2928 !

[Monsterbrad]

I got mine on the 30th of May but did not start it till sunday!
My engine blew with in a few minutes of running with a god awefull sound that was comming from the engine.
I hope to have the engine back soon!

[markanda]

I got mine on the 30th of May but did not start it till sunday!
My engine blew with in a few minutes of running with a god awefull sound that was comming from the engine.
I hope to have the engine back soon!

Another victim...so sorry to hear that...they are being very good in the replacement of them. Keep the faith.

[davway]

so is this recall worldwide? i ask as im in Australia and am looking at getting an LST over the next few months and dont really want to get one of these bodgy engines in mine.
is there any particular number they are recalling from?

[markanda]

so is this recall worldwide? i ask as im in Australia and am looking at getting an LST over the next few months and dont really want to get one of these bodgy engines in mine.
is there any particular number they are recalling from?

The current batch (on for current delivery) I would not buy one until this engine situation is sorted out. I am sure the distributors will know more in the near future.

[Challenger]

I have an LST I purchased back in January or February with the number 4,811. I have never fired it. However, I did take it apart and remove the washer that has been giving people problems. Do you folks think this is a bad engine?

[markanda]

I have an LST I purchased back in January or February with the number 4,811. I have never fired it. However, I did take it apart and remove the washer that has been giving people problems. Do you folks think this is a bad engine?

I never touched the washer, changed the diff cases to the alum upgrade and the neck of the stock cases were cracked. Still very happy with my truck. I dont know when the engine issue started (with what # truck) but good luck ! You cant even buy a backup engine on ebay because you dont know if it has come from one of the defective series. Buyer beware !

[Monsterbrad]

I had one of the first version trucks with no lock nuts on anything and the 2 hole drive shafts and the engine ran great!
I got another engine off ebay and its still running great in my MGT and my buddy got one of the first second batch ones and its fine also with almost 4 gallons through it.
I would say this is one of the best rtr engines out there for power and till not reliability was no issue!

[markanda]

I always intended to upgrade the stock motor after its lifespan. However the great performance and reliability it has delivered has kept me very happy. I never expected to put more than 7-8 gallons through it either. I guess if you take care of something the right way (even beating on it once in a while) it will take care of you !

[Monsterbrad]

I run the snot outa all my stuff and the Mach is a great engine and for 140 bucks you really can't beat it.
As long as this rod bearing problem gets solved.
Will be very interesting to see what they end up saying about this problem

[Challenger]

I have an LST I purchased back in January or February with the number 4,811. I have never fired it. However, I did take it apart and remove the washer that has been giving people problems. Do you folks think this is a bad engine?


Here is the reply from Horizon:
"We are only recalling Losi LST that shipped out to our retailers the week of 6/27/05. The number that we are recalling is very small and an LST purchased in January or February is not affected by any engine problem".

Seems like my truck should be ok. :)

[markanda]

Here is the reply from Horizon:
"We are only recalling Losi LST that shipped out to our retailers the week of 6/27/05. The number that we are recalling is very small and an LST purchased in January or February is not affected by any engine problem".

Seems like my truck should be ok. :)

Thanks for the update, my issue with that is - so when will they start shipping again ? Did they tell you that ? lol

[Monsterbrad]

Well i got mine at the end of May and my engine was completely junk from start up.
sounded like crap
blew up a few minutes later.
If you have any problems like we have all said so far they seem pretty good about getting a new engine to people if you send in your old one first.
I hope I get a nice new on here by the end of next week!

[Monsterbrad]

ok all you guys that have been racing these trucks
what aluminum drive hexes are you running?????????????

[ALJR]

ok all you guys that have been racing these trucks
what aluminum drive hexes are you running?????????????

I use the losi ones..

[markanda]

ok all you guys that have been racing these trucks
what aluminum drive hexes are you running?????????????

Stock here as of now. Doing the critical necessary hopups first. (Have to keep new engine in the budget now too ! hehe)

[Challenger]

Thanks for the update, my issue with that is - so when will they start shipping again ? Did they tell you that ? lol

Nope, they said nothing about starting shipments again. I think its' time to take my LOSI backup truck out and fire it up to see if anything happens. If the engine does go south I just as well get a place in line now for a shiny new one. :)

[Monsterbrad]

have any of you guys seen the aluminum drive hexes off ebay that are exactly like the stock ones????????
The losi ones do not have the big spacer type thing at the back of the hex......
these ones do

[ALJR]

have any of you guys seen the aluminum drive hexes off ebay that are exactly like the stock ones????????
The losi ones do not have the big spacer type thing at the back of the hex......
these ones do

I forget where i heard or read this. But those aluminum ones off ebay with the backs, have been know to crack some rims because the hex part does not sit deep enough. then why you tighten down on the wheel nut, it flexes and cracks..

[Monsterbrad]

I am going to get the Losi ones!
They are made for the truck so there should be no issues with them I hope.
Just need that engine now!

[Ball Racing]

I got the Crazy Nut hexes on mine,
but I have snapped some drive pins when tightning them down, on the rear.
(but I think they were weak from my M30 Collari)

[Challenger]

Nope, they said nothing about starting shipments again. I think its' time to take my LOSI backup truck out and fire it up to see if anything happens. If the engine does go south I just as well get a place in line now for a shiny new one. :)

Started my backup truck for the first time yesterday and put 5 tanks through it. I purchased this truck in January. I had already removed the washer. Seems to run just fine (at this point).

[markanda]

Glad to hear it - the LST family is growing up in this area. As soon as they start shipping again it will be LST v LST on the bash circuit. The savages and MGTs can hold up against us ! :D :D :D

[ALJR]

I got the Crazy Nut hexes on mine,
but I have snapped some drive pins when tightning them down, on the rear.
(but I think they were weak from my M30 Collari)

im running the picco 27, slipper clutch full tight and aluminum 3 shoe aluminum clutch and i have not broken any axle pins using the losi hex's.. not saying your not correct, i just never had any problems..

[Monsterbrad]

Well I have to say that the LST's weak point is the drive shafts!
my first one was a pain for this as I have said before mine broke them all at one point and my buddies is still going strong with over 3 gallons through it on all 4 stock shafts :mad: I hate that!!!!!!!

[markanda]

Well I have to say that the LST's weak point is the drive shafts!
my first one was a pain for this as I have said before mine broke them all at one point and my buddies is still going strong with over 3 gallons through it on all 4 stock shafts :mad: I hate that!!!!!!!

#1 Monsterbrad is correct weakest link is the cvd's. I break a pin/bone/axle EVERY weekend when running "hard" on an off road track. I will get away well when running on a tarmac type surface.

#2 There was a change in the the axle too which means LosI knew about it.

#3 No two people drive their LST the same way giving different results to all of us and that is why we compare out here on the forum.

Traxxas has their problems, HPI took years for getting Savage solid and still has many weak points. Kyosho, who even buys their monster trucks ? MGT - decent option, but needs many hopups to get to the LST level. Your buddy prob has the generation truck that has the new shafts. I bought a number of the rebuild kits already and I love the way Losi uses the stick type loctite on the grub screw already on it when you buy it. My Losi made it through this past weekend unscathed except for some body posts, but my buddy did not fair so well as the loctite holding the set screw on the drive shaft cvd from tranny to diff failed and backed out killing his day. Still cant wait for them to start shipping again, a couple of friends just cant wait after dumping their Revo's.

Drive it like you stole it....

[Monsterbrad]

REVO'S SUCK
any ways
all I can say with the issues is I have both the MGT and the LST well on my second LST
the MGT is a little tougher but the LST will still stomp it in handeling and everything else.
It will only be a matter of time till we can all bullit proof our LST's with aftermarket stuff!
Had anybody tried the HPI 28 in an LST yet??????

[johannsy]

Try the Nova Race 528x or RB928 engine

[Ball Racing]

Nothing wrong with a Revo Brad.
Yours was just too slow for you.

How can you compare it to a big block truck?

[doesgo]

Seems the Revo fans compare it to the big-block trucks just like they did with the T-Maxx, so why not? Why the scale and block-size classifications, anyway? The whole scale thing is crap anyway, it's just marketing. Besides, small-block trucks are usually smaller and lighter than big-block trucks and they all end up with similar acceleration and speed characteristics anyway.

[Monsterbrad]

Nothing Runs Like a BIG BLOCK
thats true in all aspects!

[Ball Racing]

yeah Brad, Except F1 and Indy, and Nascar, and World of Outlaws,etc.

Just seemed that everyone says, "the revo is slow"

You can compare them anyway you like, but be realistic ,if you are carrying 9lbs with with 1.3hp
or 13 lbs with 2.75Hp

4lbs difference and over double the power???

The Revo or maxx is carrying 6.92lbs per HP
Where as the LST is carrying 4.72 lbs per HP

Really the small block trucks outperform for the HP they have....

[ALJR]

not to mention that a big-block can spin the larger MT tires with less strain. Also seems that the big block trucks have better, more durable diffs and trive-trains..

[Monsterbrad]

Well you have to figure the big block truck has double the power so it needs better drive train!
I had a Revo I know what they are like and the LST is way better in all aspects.
That does not mean that I hate the Revo though it was a good little truck.
I just like lots of power!

[metalry101]

There's a difference between the 2.75 hp you're saying and the 1.3. The "little" Traxxas 2.5 has been dyno'd at 1.33 horsepower, whereas I haven't read any articles about the Mach being dyno'd at any 2.75. It's fast for sure, but my guess is that it wouldn't put out over 2 if put on the same dyno that the Traxxas was. You guys are saying that the small blocks outperform their power rating...but we know exactly what that small block makes. Maybe the big blocks are underperforming their rating? That seems to be the more logical explanation, to me at least.

As for the more durable drivetrain thing...that's not needed so much due to the power (you can only put so much power to the ground anyways) as much as it is needed for the extra weight of the truck, and generally, the tires. The LST's tires are probably close to double the weight of Revo tires...and therefor put a lot more strain on the drivetrain they're bolted too. Power destroys a drivetrain too, but only when abused. I think the LST drivetrain could handle double the power it has stock if it was driven within reason. Ya, people break their stuff with stock power, but is that as a result of the power or the driver? Some insane bashers who are very very good drivers almost never break stuff, while others break stuff during break in. There can't be that much variation in the quality of the components...so it has to be something else. My money says it is the driver.

Anyways, I'm not trying to flame anyone. I prefer big blocks because generally they're easier to tune, and have a helluva lot more torque, plus they're usually just as cheap when it comes to getting something really good (given that you don't just buy an OS .18 CV-RX for 100 bux. You can't touch that price with a big block).

Oh ya...one last thing...I'm too poor to keep 12 r/c's running, especially 3 nitro monster trucks, so my LST is up for sale. I love my truck, but I'm a poor college kid...and it's just too much money to keep running...so it's for sale. Over 1400 dollars in stuff...800 bones. Details are in the B/S/T Forum.

[Ball Racing]

Yeah, Brad I had a Revo too..

Well don't use the Mach as a example then, use your favorite picco 27 claimed 3.1Hp
that just makes the debate bigger.


Yeah, maybe the big blocks don't have all that.

Depends on who's dyno you have them on.

On my dyno for kart motors, I had a guys engine who claimed 23HP, and on my dyno their motor was 13HP BIG diff.......

[ALJR]

duno if the picco 27 has over 3hp. but when the picco 26 was dyno'ed, it produced its claimed hp (i belive 2.7hp)

[Monsterbrad]

I have heard that the picco 27 rips!
are they reliable?
that's the ?
cause the Mach is pretty reliable!

[metalry101]

My Picco .27 is stone cold reliable, and I have yet to hear of a single complaint from any of the dozens of customers who've bought one from the shop I work at. We also sold hundreds of Picco .26's (same engine, different piston and sleeve) without problems. They rock.

[Ball Racing]

Have al the new shipment of 27's picco's have the oneway cracking problem resolved?
I'm not talking the rotorstart cracking them, the pullrope doing it..
(of course this is old news)

[ALJR]

I purhased my picco 27 about 6 weeks ago and my one way cracked.. ofna was quick to replace it (about 9 days, coast to coast)..

the 27 hauls ***.. im still fine tuning it so its hard to say how much more power it has over the 26.. but it does seem to have at least the same power at this point...

[metalry101]

I think they've fixed it. I haven't had a single one-way problem yet, and I haven't even sold many one-ways at all to people with the .27. I used to sell them all the time for the .26, but I think the .27 finally got the "hardened" casing that Ofna/Picco promised.

[Monsterbrad]

I you put the Sport Werks 26 carb on a Mach I guess they are just crazy powerful!
More then they are normally!
I have not tried this yet but my buddy is setting up a his LST for speed so we'll see what happens.

[Jamie]

I think they've fixed it. I haven't had a single one-way problem yet, and I haven't even sold many one-ways at all to people with the .27. I used to sell them all the time for the .26, but I think the .27 finally got the "hardened" casing that Ofna/Picco promised.

Just cracked my second oneway on Picco 27. This one lasted about a gallon of fuel this time. Bought a new Mach 26 to use till Picco gets it figured out. I think they will have to redesign the one way and rear cover to allow for a thicker drive edge on the one-way housing like most other one-way designs. I still think the Picco 27 is one of the best monster truck engines out there.

[ALJR]

wonder why they didn't have all these problems with the picco .26? its the same one-way bearing!

[Monsterbrad]

I have heard that the 528x Novarossi is pretty sweet too!
not exactly sure about that engine number though!
everybody seems to like that Picco 26 also!

[ALJR]

I belive the reason why the picco .26 & .27 are such hot sellers is because of there sub $200 price tag (under $150 in some cases).. Not to mention they perform great.. Allot of "bashers" find it hard to justify spending $300+ on an engine, only to run it in the back yard/park.. JMO

[Monsterbrad]

I can agree with that for racing also!
Taking a high end engine out to the track and pounding the crap out of it seems a little crazy also but
thats what this hobby is about going fast and having fun!
I have to say that the LST is the fastest truck I have ever seen stock!

[Colt M4]

Hey if you look on horizon hobby.com and search LST you will find out that team losi came out with some new parts. They now have 20mm hexes and nuts. The part numbers are LOSB3511 and LOSB3510. But they have not released the rims yet.

[doesgo]

Great, more non-standard stuff...

[Monsterbrad]

the only thing about those big hubs that I have heard is they break the axles off!
at the cross pin!
thats just what this truck does not need is more axle problems!

[metalry101]

Great, more non-standard stuff...
Agreed. I think it's for spite. Why the hell else would they make it just bigger than 19mm (buggy standard I think??) but too small for Pro-Line's 23mm? I can't believe it. Everyone cooperates with Traxxas' 14mm standard, but they can't do the same on the upgrade. This really is absolutely ridiculous.

[doesgo]

The buggy standard is 17mm. Vantage is making some 17mm hexes for monster trucks, which makes some sense, but these 20mm....I don't get it. There's 14mm, 17mm, 23mm, and the occasional 19mm somewhere back a ways, why add 20mm?

As for Traxxas, they keep changing the outer diameter of the wheels instead, requiring non-standard tires. First the Revo and now the Jato. Just adds cost to the aftermarket products.

[Ball Racing]

We don't have buy!

[ALJR]

We don't have buy!

exactly! the only reason why the aftermarket manufacturers make these parts is for profit. if we don't buy them, maybe they will get there act together and give us what WE want!

[Monsterbrad]

I still say that the best wheel is the RPM Titan!
that are strong and won't break the axles and that!
Proline wheels are getting cheaper and cheaper and they break alot and for the price they are not worth it!
This hub size thing is stupid too!!!
I agree

[metalry101]

This hub size thing is ridiculous, but oh well. If I go with any, it'll be Pro-Line's, I think.

[doesgo]

I still say that the best wheel is the RPM Titan!
that are strong and won't break the axles and that!
Proline wheels are getting cheaper and cheaper and they break alot and for the price they are not worth it!
This hub size thing is stupid too!!!
I agree

*sigh* I broke three of my four RPM Titans last winter/spring. We've had problems with Pro-Line, RPM, and IMEX wheels. The HPI ones have been holding up pretty well if you can keep the hex from spinning. Traxxas and Maximizer wheels have been the best overall for us so far.

[bpg1978]

I'm gonna jump in here. Are the larger wheel hexes REALLY neccessary? I mean, do that many people really strip out their wheels? I did once on a Savage, but that was because the wheel nut loosened. I understand beefier can hold up better but things have been standard for so long. I guess with the more powerful engines, folks want reassurance. I guess.

[metalry101]

I think the problem is with the bigger trucks. LST's, MGT's, and Savages (which aren't that big, but they are heavy), are harder than hell on wheels, especially when you're dishing out regular doses of altitude. The only time I've ever stripped a hex is when a wheelnut backed out, and I've yet to actually break a monster truck wheel, and I hope I never do, but I wouldn't be surprised if I do some day on either my MGT or LST, as both see pretty decent air regularly.

[bpg1978]

Don't mean to totally change subject, but does anyone know where I can find the new collari 32 engine for the lowest price?

[Monsterbrad]

Don't know about the Collari engine sorry!
Any ways the wheels thing.
Yeah bigger looks cooler but figure that you are putting a larger hub on the same size axle and putting double the stress on the axle!
I have heard of the claw from RPM breaking but have not seen any titans breeak yet!
I have had a set of traxxas REVO wheels on my stadium and MGT just for bashing and they have been modified to fit my stadium and they have been cracked for about 3 months now and are still going!
Can not believe it.
I guess if you keep your wheels tight on the axles and get good drive hexes you are just stressing things out till they break!
We all bash the crap outa our stuff pretty normally and it is only plastic.
If you think about it imagine the forces that are there ......

[Ball Racing]

Werks is the distributer, so whoever's LHS that has the best discount, will be the place.

[Monsterbrad]

Well I sent my engine out the 7 and still don't have it back yet!
I wonder what is going on with it.
I sent them the original reciept which was over a month old cause I did not get a chnace to get to it cause of the racing season and all that.
Man I hope they are not going to give me a hard time about that!

[Ball Racing]

Attention:
If you want to do some serious rock crawling or pulling with the LST,
put the new Mayhem ST truggy diff gears in it.
Stock LST is 13 pinion, 43 ring,
mayhem truggy 11 pinion 45 ring.
fits the same housing.

Pull away :cool:

[metalry101]

Great info!

[Monsterbrad]

More punch out of this truck thats just what I needed to hear!!!!!!!
i'll be beaking more **** NOW :D

[Monsterbrad]

WHERE IS MY ENGINE?????????
I AM GETTING A LITTLE PISSED HERE :mad:

[Ball Racing]

Call them, I can't help ya :rolleyes:

[Hikari no Tenshi]

WHERE IS MY ENGINE?????????
I AM GETTING A LITTLE PISSED HERE :mad:

From what i've heard (I work at a hobby shop) they are actually holding engines until they are sure they have remedied the problem and won't be busting more engines. What good is sending you 7 engines if they all break before you get to drive them?

[Monsterbrad]

Got it today!
THey stole my exhaust gasket!
Other then that they rebuilt the entire engine!
I hope this one holds up
break in later in the week

[Minty Fresh]

Do 23mm Proline Wabash wheels fit the LST okay, without rubbing?

[Monsterbrad]

I would say they do cause they are no different then the regular 23 mm proline wheel just have the spokes!
just be aware that the 23 mm conversion is hard on the axles!

[ALJR]

Proline changed there rim descriptions.. it used to be that standard maxx tires were considered "0 offset"... which is not true.. a "true" zero offset rim has the mounting serface in the center of the rim (which is now what proline considers/call zero offset)..

so the new 23mm velocity rims for instance, are zero-offset.. which compaired to the standard (non 23mm) velocity rims, actually has 1/2" offset.. which would equal the standard (non 23mm) velocity 1/2" offset...

ya, im lost my self.. visit the proline web site... they explain it better than i ever can..

but the wabash 23mm rims are the same as "standard" maxx rims
the velocity 23mm rims (which proline now call the zero-offset), actually have +1/2" offset when compaired to the wabash rims..

http://www.pro-lineracing.com/proline/wheels/Offsets/OffsetGuide.html

[LST Nut]

Hello guys, after reading the postings, I am a little nervous. My LST is on the way, probably here tomorrow. I guess we'll see what happens. I have been looking at the new wheels and tires that Losi has for the LST. The bead lock wheels and super king pin tires. They are definitely a higher profile tire than those 40 series tires. I think this will go a long way toward preserving the rims. But the real question, is how will they race? Does anyone use them so far? I also was interested in the tire design because it looks like it is more rounded, similar to what is seen in photos of rapidly spinning tires. I do love the idea of not having to glue tires anymore.

I can't wait to get my truck. I've been electric since the RC10 started, can't wait for the thrill of NITRO! (I know, I just dated myself)

To the other LSTnut, I just joined and then stumbled across your member name. I'll be revising mine soon to eliminate any confusion.

[Colt M4]

Hey has anybody got the Forward only tranny kit yet? I installed mine yesterday and tested it today. Put it next to a stock LST and it smoked it off the line and at top end. It must have doing 50mph with that kit because it just walked away from the stock LST. The only bad thing about the first few kits is the rubber plugs that fill the reverse and Hi/Lo holes don't fit. So I filled it up with some silicone. I called up Team Losi and they said that the LST with 40 series rims and FOC was even beating some 1/8 buggies. The reason they came out with 20mm hubs is that they are coming out with rims and tires similiar in size to the proline 40 series.

I would defiantly reccommend upgrading to the FOC for any racer because it defiantly makes a differance.

[Ball Racing]

Only problem with "beating" 1/8 scale buggies, is it's 4 lbs heavier higher center of gravity, bigger rotating assembly, more rotating weight in the tires, and doesn't have a center diff, and is way off the ground, plus doesn't have the power most 1/8 buggies do....

If a LST smoked my 1/8 buggy, it's time to retire from buggies, because you don't have it set-up right.

Thats kind of like saying gravdigger beat steve kinser in his world of outlaw sprint...

[Colt M4]

They also came out with the rims today. They are called 420-dish wheels made for the 20mm hexes they look about the same size as the 40 series but maybe a little bigger. Also they came out with aluminum clutch shoes.

[LST Nut]

Holy smokes batman! I looked on ehobbies.com again today and it seems that there is suddenly a ton of hop ups for the LST. Is that my imagination? On-road slicks? What's up with that? Has anyone found a site that tells what goes with what? I checked out teamlosi.com but all I could find was pictures of some of the hop up parts. It looks like this could be more fun than I thought, and a lot more expensive :eek: Oh well, you can't take it with you right? :p

BTW, what's up with Tower not carrying any of the Losi brand stuff anyway?

[doesgo]

Horizon owns Team Losi (and Sportwerks and Dynamite, I believe), while Tower is owned by Great Planes. I think the situation is that distributors don't allow others to distribute the products they own or those with whom they have an exclusive deal. Great Planes owns or is tight with O.S. Engines and Futaba, thus you don't see those brands at Horizon. HRP is the exlusive distributor for Racer's Edge, so you don't see Racer's Edge stuff distributed by Horizon or Great Planes.

But most companies are happy to have multiple distributors, such as HPI, OFNA, Associated, RPM, etc.

[ALJR]

They also came out with the rims today. They are called 420-dish wheels made for the 20mm hexes they look about the same size as the 40 series but maybe a little bigger. Also they came out with aluminum clutch shoes.


the losi 420 rims fit the proline 40 series tires...

[Colt M4]

How do you know they fit?

[Ball Racing]

It was in the magazine.

[bpg1978]

Ball Racing said that the LST doesn't have the power that 1/8 buggies do. Somebody has their nose too close to the exhaust pipe. Just kidding. But for real, .21's have less power than .26+. It's the power to weight ratio that determines the difference in overall performance. And the LST has more power because it has to, to propell the weight difference and compensation of lost power in the tranny. With the right modifications, gearing changes, upgrades, engine change, and tires, the LST can give a 1/8 buggy a run for it's money. And 1/8 buggies can't handle the rough tracks as well as LST's. So I can see the right truck keeping pace w/ buggies. I've had rtr buggies and heavily hopped up buggies w/ fast engines. Most rtr buggies go 38-45 mph. Hopped up...45-52 mph. LST.......it's VERY possible to reach such speeds. Stop hatin'.

[Ball Racing]

Lst can go faster than my buggy with my current gearing, but if its course racing and not a top speed event it will come down to corner speed acelleration, and jumping ability.

Put that mach 26 on the dyno against a kania edtion sirio21 or WS7 II or a Crono 5 or even my Collari 21b7, look for the #'s

RTR 26's may have more power than rtr 21's but when you speak of beating 1/8th scale buggies, if you mean rtrs-
the mayhem buggies 26 has a touch more grunt than the mach 26, so who's faster...
Or are they comparing a italian mill in the lst to a italian mill buggy?

No hatin
I have buggies, lst, revo, maxx ,savage
15 18 21 25 26 27 28 30 engines....
Compare hard numbers and get real results.
I beat a vette of the line the other day in my ranger, but he didn't know I was racing. :)

[metalry101]

For sheer power, buggies with high end Italian race engines will beat anything you can put in an LST. More horsepower, probably more torque, and defiantely more revs. You can't put these bump start only, race bred engines in an LST, but you can in a buggy, so Ball Racing is right, buggies are more powerful. As for the rough track handling of a buggy...that depends on how rough you mean, and who's setting it up. I couldn't set up a buggy to do well on a rough track, but an experienced buggy racer probably could. The only disadvantage that the buggy has in such an endeavor is sidewall. An LST has masses of sidewall to make the suspension's job easier, whereas a buggy tire does not.

On some tracks, I think a well built LST with a skilled driver could be competitive with a 1/8th buggy, but in the end, I think the buggy would pull away.

[Y2KGTP]

Hey has anybody got the Forward only tranny kit yet? I installed mine yesterday and tested it today. Put it next to a stock LST and it smoked it off the line and at top end. It must have doing 50mph with that kit because it just walked away from the stock LST. The only bad thing about the first few kits is the rubber plugs that fill the reverse and Hi/Lo holes don't fit. So I filled it up with some silicone. I called up Team Losi and they said that the LST with 40 series rims and FOC was even beating some 1/8 buggies. The reason they came out with 20mm hubs is that they are coming out with rims and tires similiar in size to the proline 40 series.

I would defiantly recommend upgrading to the FOC for any racer because it defiantly makes a difference.

I have been thinking about this, as I had to swap my f/r servo to the throttle position (throttle servo died :confused: )

Is it slightly different gearing, or just more efficient?

[bpg1978]

That was funny as crap! The Ranger and Vet story. But do ya'll understand what I'm saying? Yes, the buggy's design will use more efficiently an engines power output.

[ALJR]

duno where you racing your LST's and buggies (maybe fairyland). but even a stock (decent) rtr buggy will spank a LST on the track.. And I would have to assume we are refering to racing conditions here (not back yard bashing). Take a stock LST and a stock hyper 7rtr and put them on the same track...

Here is a lil story for ya.. my first buggy race that I entered in. I only made the B-main.. Well, there were not enough Monster trucks to hold a full A-main, so they raced with the buggies in the B.. Me being VERY green with my buggy and racing against MT's & truggies. I still beat them all.. All the 1/8th buggies beat the MT's.. Not only did we beat them all, but most were lapped at least once..

now maybe if you put the MT in the hands of a factory driver and the buggy driver was only a club-level racer (like my self)... ya, i could see the lst putting the smack-down :)

But who really cares how the LST compaires to 1/8th scale buggies? Its a great truck when compaired to other MT's

[bpg1978]

Yeah, you right ALJR. This thing is killing all other trucks. I'm just a sensitive fan of the LST. I love this thing. I gave up buggies and truggies when I bought this cause I loved it's all around performance. It's fast, powerful, agile and crazy raceable. Hey...just a thought....just because something is faster, doesn't make it more powerful. Nitro sedans are faster, but not more powerful. Power to weight ratio. That's the issue. Heck, a LST will drag a buggy all over the place. It's like a tug-o-war between a Ford F-350 Deisel and a Corvette. Power and speed is different. But a well prepped LST won't get smashed....just won't win often. It's late, I'm just talking now. Sorry.

[Ball Racing]

Quote from above
" Power to weight ratio. That's the issue."

Okay a buggy still has more power per lb than the LST

Buggy for example the Mayhem has 2.75 hp and is 7.5 lbs.
Last has around the same power and is 13lbs.

Torque at the wheels is higher on LST becasue of gearing.

Lst will pull becasue of tire contact area and the weight on those tires.

Why can't this sink in?? :)

[Colt M4]

What magazine was it in? They run a 22 tooth top gear and a 23 tooth bottom gear, so compare that to the stock high gear and see what it is.

[Monsterbrad]

I don't care what any or you guys say here!
THE LST will not run with a buggy on a moto cross style track!
They just don't handle like the buggies do or the truggies do for that matter.
They are close but just not as good.
Yeah the LST will out run a buggy in a drag race but you are looking at a 2 speed verses a single speed.
Plus these buggies with the italian race engines in them turn another 10,000 rpm's plus over the stock Mach 26.
I will give the race to the buggy any day.
As far as truugy versus LST a properly set up LST will run with a truggy but won't be it normally.

[Y2KGTP]

I don't care what any or you guys say here!
THE LST will not run with a buggy on a moto cross style track!
They just don't handle like the buggies do or the truggies do for that matter.
They are close but just not as good.
Yeah the LST will out run a buggy in a drag race but you are looking at a 2 speed verses a single speed.
Plus these buggies with the italian race engines in them turn another 10,000 rpm's plus over the stock Mach 26.
I will give the race to the buggy any day.
As far as truugy versus LST a properly set up LST will run with a truggy but won't be it normally.

I agree....a 1/8 scale buggy is designed to get around the track fast, while a LST or similar revo is more for "fun" I would say....yes, you can race them against other Monsters, but not in the same class as a buggy.

a Truggy would still walk away from a Monster (Revo, LST) as it is basicly a 1/8 buggy, with monster truck tires on it....it has a lower center of gravity, less weight, and usually the same engine as the monster.....

I would say a typical Truggy would have a 4.5lb advantage over a Monster truck....

[Colt M4]

When I said that the LST was even beating 1/8 buggies I ment it was beating them on the track too not just in a drag race.

[ALJR]

I agree.. thats why truggies should have there own class.. The should have a 1/8 buggy "super-mod" class for the truggies.. The real advantage of the truggie is its center diff, combined with its flat pan chassis (ie; lower center of gravity). That combo allows very aggresive handling through the turns..