Team Losi LST Monster Truck

[StevePond]

Team Losi is happy to announce that their long rumored entry in the Monster truck market is coming and it’s aptly called the LST as in Losi Super Truck. The Losi design and development team started with a clean computer screen and no limitations with the directive to produce the ultimate monster truck. After endless testing and development, the feature packed LST is about ready to be released. With no rules to limit them, the Losi engineers have incorporated features that are costly add-ons or simply not available in anything currently available. The track is wider, the wheelbase is longer, the tires are bigger, the motor is more powerful, the fuel tank is larger, the shocks are bigger, and the transmission has more speeds than any common monster truck. As if that’s not enough, it is outfitted with a premium JR radio system that uses not one, but two, steering servos for razor sharp handling and an amazingly small turning radius unheard of in monster trucks. There are almost too many unique features to list but some of the more important ones include:

• Ball bearings used throughout (nothing to replace or upgrade)
• Big Block (7 port) .26 engine (big size and big power)
• Real race tuned aluminum exhaust system (no optional parts needed)
• Portable rotary starter included (pull cords can’t handle this horsepower)
• 4 oversized race-style Aluminum shocks (no plastic here)
• 2-Speed automatic gearbox (a must for top performance)
• Manual Hi/Lo drive range for a total of 4 forward speeds (best of both worlds)
• All metal transmission gears (only the best will do)
• 3 Channel JR Radio with button controlled reverse (no RTR radio comes close)
• Two steering servos w/servo savers (ultra small turning radius)
• Oversized fuel tank with primer (easily filled without removing the body)
• Preglued tires with foam inserts on Chrome Rims (look good – work better)
• Long travel double wishbone suspension (greater stability and handling)
• Steel geared viscous differentials (got to handle that horsepower)
• Four level modular chassis design (strong yet easy to work on)
• Sealed radio box (a real necessity)
• Dual disk brakes (what goes fast has got to be stopped)

These features easily distance the LST from the rest and live up to the name Super Truck.
Look for this no compromise monster truck to hit dealer’s shelves late spring.

LOSB0010 LST Ready-to-Run Monster Truck w/JR Radio

Look for a full feature article on the Team Losi LST in the April issue of Radio Control Car Action Magazine, on newsstands now!

For more pictures, a short video and specs, visit the Team Losi (http://www.teamlosi.com/kits/LST/index_main.htm) website.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/teamlosi/losilst.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/teamlosi/lstchassis.jpg

[Crash Landon]

OMG, I'm the first to reply!

Anyway, it looks cool. I wonder if it'll be competitively priced...

Love that transparent receiver box.

[tony1034]

I actually emailed Steve the link on Team Losi's website with all the detailed pics about an hour or so ago ....hee-hee ;)

This thing looks HUGE!

Now all it need is that new RB Concepts .28 pullstart (not sure if you guys heard about that one yet) ...:D

Tony P.

[StevePond]

Tony - thanks for the email. Heard about the RB engine, just haven't seen anything yet. Sirio is supposedly coming out with a new monster block also. As for the Losi truck, I haven't seen it in person yet, but one of our guys got to run it through it's paces. I'm looking forward to driving one myself soon. ;)

[Prelude14WRX]

Is it just me,or do those shocks look freakin wide!!

[tony1034]

No problem Steve :)

I'm actually looking forward to the RB .28. Currently I'm running a Team Orion .26 Wasp modded by EB_Mods. The bottom end is sheer brutal! I'm running the tallest gearing possible and it still does back flips and wheelies at any given speed. Unfortunately, the .26 doesn't have the RPM's of a good .21 like a RB or JP Mod.

The lack of gearing selection has limited us .26er's to not take advantage of the better torque on these big-block motors. Until now that is ....Fortunately, I think our gearing problems could be solved. Someone on the EB_mods forum posted about a 19T and 20T 1/8th clutchbell, made for the Savage. I ordered one to see if it works. If it does, I'll be able to gear up my SuperMaxx from the current 18/51 to 20/51. This should soften up the bottom end a bit and make it more drivable, but give me more top-speed to make up for the lack of RPM's. Should smash the 50+ mph mark :D

Best regards,

Tony P.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

thank god for ebay confusion. (if it weren't for it, i would have an rc right now)

cus im getting this baby!

holy shittake mushrums man!

[sport-maxx]

kool they put a mach .26 in thr! NICE SHOCKS!!!LOL!

[thedominator]

Sweet looking truck, better start saving because it looks like it is going to be expensive:(

[Ferrari_Spyder]

i have to say, for once, that i actually like the losi body on it. i cant get over how cool it looks. i assume the radio there talking about it the xs3?

[kikcaffine]

i got good and bad news. Its on stormers website, but the price is also there. 599.99 :mad: I guess that takes it outta alot of ppls price ranges. THe part number if memory serves me is Losb1000

[thedominator]

Originally posted by kikcaffine
i got good and bad news. Its on stormers website, but the price is also there. 599.99 :mad: I guess that takes it outta alot of ppls price ranges. THe part number if memory serves me is Losb1000

thats what i thought. It looks like it will be worth it though. The 3 channel synth radio cost 240 alone plus the 2 servo steering. Looks like this truck will lay the smack-down on the MGT:D

[Ferrari_Spyder]

only $599?! you do realize that the first price is always $100 more than it should be. wait a month and $500 will be coming.

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeetness!

[Ferrari_Spyder]

the part # is losb0010

[Interstate]

Very cool indeed. Those shocks look to be over 3/4" in diameter!

Can someone explain why two servos are needed? I don't see any turnbuckles in the rear for four wheel steering. Maybe two for the front wheels is a bit overkill?

How does the 2 low, and 2 high speed transmission work? Like one found on a tractor trailer?

[coolracer47]

Time to get a job and save my pennies because im getting this!! LST is sick!!

[BriS]

I just read the spy report on this in the April RCCA mag today. Looks sweet.

[aspiringrcracer710]

I gotta say, if there wasnt any reason for a national Monster Truck class, THERE IS NOW!!!

HEY ROAR! GET OFF THE COUCH AND GET ON YOUR HORSE!

[Techspert]

This is an awesome looking truck. The more I look at it, the more I want one.

[Saboteur]

What a monster! :eek:

[mccrash59]

This video rocks!!! It sweeps the double jump backwards!!!
SO KEWL!!!!
A bit overweight but looks like a good handler, those monster bore shocks do their job, maybe a stiffer setup will work better for racing action.
GOTTA GET ONE

[losiguy1090]

DOOOH!!! too bad i got a savage ss:( that truck is friggin awsome;)

[GTAffiliate]

I Hope you can get that transmission into a monster GT!

[creep]

Just went to the Losi website. There is a backend shot that shows what look like steering linkages in the rear. I think it is 4ws and not 2 servos for the front.

[KTRTS]

Well yoiu would think they'd say if it was 4ws...

Still, the LST is sweeeeeeeeeet :D thise shocks are huge!

[CoryD]

Thoes linkages in the rear would be for setting the toe.

Both servos appear to be used for front steering. The reason for two, is so that can run crappy servos, and still turn the wheels easily. Or run 2 expensive servos and be able to stop the rotation of the earth when you steer :) The bottom picture clearly shows that the servos are side by side, as opposed to one in the front and one in the rear which would be required for 4WS.

Later;
CoryD.

[J mAn]

I hope they make an electric counterpart... They could hook it up with a novak hv system and that thing would be awsome!!

[creep]

I just got my RCCA and I was wrong, it is 2 servos for the front. Sorry.

[J mAn]

Did you think dual airtronics 200 oz would be overkill? I want an electric LST

[timberwolf211]

Did you guys hear that???
It's this sound of my credit limit shrinking when this thing comes out. I hope they do a non radio version.

[sLiTcH]

A-W-E-S-O-M-E

Thanks you for your attention.

No but I mean, I've never been so much excited by a new RC Car coming out. I GOTTA have one, but with this price tag, I'll have to wait to see if it's as good as it looks before buying it.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

ya the two steering servo totally makes sense:

2 hs645's 260oz torque for $80

rofl!

[Rich Trujillo]

http://www.teamlosi.com/kits/pics/lst/shock_comparison.jpg

[Fidelio]

seems losi has devised a plan to sell more shock oil.

[Frapechino]

lol


genisis who????

I told CEN they should have released earlier...

[rhcsavage21]

they have it on stormer hobbies for $600

[timberwolf211]

I hope they make a bigger bottle or start selling in 3 packs.

[J10o15e25y5]

Jea Cri!!!!

HOLY! wow all have to say if i had any money i'd buy one they need to make a kickin monster truck for around 200-250. and every 1 would have one this 450-550 crap is readicyaluse(sp*.)

even if they only made 20 bucks profit per truck tha'd still make a killing.

there like what 10-15 nitro monster trucks and how many are affordable 1-2 mabye and they suck.

:o another unafordable truck.

[kitty]

Originally posted by sport-maxx
they put a mach .26 in thr!
I didn't know that the Mach .26 was a 7-port. Interesting.

Those shocks are huge, but remember, the Savage and the Maxx both use eight shocks, so the shock oil issue is pretty much moot. I'm thinking that the Losi MT would just just slightly less shock oil.

I'm betting that the high/low gearing selection probably uses a reduction gear for the change. I'm sure that the gearing change is for dual purpose, ie, higher gearing for on-road and smooth tracks so you can get top speed, with lower gearing for serious off-road bashing and when you need the extra torque. Though not a new concept, it's nice to see such a thing in a hobby-level RC vehicle.

Very nice looking truck. Good job on that one and Kudos to Losi for raising the bar once again.
kitty

[stefcold]

it already has 2 hi-torque metal gear servo for steering (JR Z590).

[birdy233]

Rich, when is the planned date of release?

Thanks!

[nitrothugg]

ok i know how when he posts new products on here they are not the price that he actually listed but how much are they taking off from $599?

i'm fortunate enough to buy this new crop of trucks that push beyond $400+ but geesh.

they, and the other companies should always come out with 2 versions, a very decked out RTR and a stripped down model.

i'm very impressed with the features and engineering of this truck. it looks like it could make a killing if it were in-line with the pricing of a maxx or savage.

[atm92484_3]

That $600-$650 price tag is per Horizon Hobby distributors. I highly doubt we aren't going to see a huge drop once the truck is released.

[8 Baller]

I finally found a monster truck worth buying.It loks friggin cool.

[Turbo Tin Can]

Those shocks will work great on my t-maxx lol

[cbr74]

Comes with an XS3 and a pair of Z590's for steering... folks.. there's darn near $300 in radio gear alone. Price tag doesn't seem out of line if you take that into consideration.

[synapse75]

i think that is the first new shock design losi has had since the Jrx2

[synapse75]

whether they have raised the bar or not has yet to be seen... could be an engineered nightmare.. the tranny looks a little scary to me.. TOO many ring-and-pinion gears..



Originally posted by kitty
I didn't know that the Mach .26 was a 7-port. Interesting.

Those shocks are huge, but remember, the Savage and the Maxx both use eight shocks, so the shock oil issue is pretty much moot. I'm thinking that the Losi MT would just just slightly less shock oil.

I'm betting that the high/low gearing selection probably uses a reduction gear for the change. I'm sure that the gearing change is for dual purpose, ie, higher gearing for on-road and smooth tracks so you can get top speed, with lower gearing for serious off-road bashing and when you need the extra torque. Though not a new concept, it's nice to see such a thing in a hobby-level RC vehicle.

Very nice looking truck. Good job on that one and Kudos to Losi for raising the bar once again.
kitty

[synapse75]

the four level modular chassis might prove my point..

[cbr74]

Got any other nifty pics for us Mr. Trujillo aka Team Losi Team Manager?

BTW... Team Kawasaki called and they'd like their KZ125 rear mono-shocks back. Bwahahahahaha

[cbr74]

Anybody else notice the rectangular cut-out at the rear of the chassis that seems to be just about standard servo size? 4WS option maybe?

[Frank McKinney]

There's already a picture of the truck with the rear wheels turning, so I'd guess that by adding a servo, a Y-harness and a couple of ball ends you could have 4WS.

Looks good! Different from the others on the market (esp. AE) and very interestin'

Rich, can you divulge who did most of the design work?

[-=ADA$=-]

it looks great and if i would have cash i would surely get it (but its expensive) but i have to first see how it runs, or the durability, they better made the chassis flex free or the transversly mounted engine will strip gears in a moment, and same as synapse, the tranny looks a bit too complicated, if its "maintaince free" its great but if not then it can be a bit hard, and thing that scares me are two steering servos, in RCN when they super shop 1/5 car they said when running two servos on steering its good idea to have servo programmer, or if the servos wont work together perfectly, slower will make the faster servo work harder and drain battery like crazy (and BTW whan they made 4 servo truck,they better come up with Rx pack thats like 3300 mAh or youll have to replace pack after about 15 minutes :) but truck looks great, i started thinking about selling my old ram ( for vey small cash, and getting this baby!!

[rglover]

This thing looks awesome! I just cancelled my back order 4 the P2 Picco engine .It would'nt matter what I put in a Maxx it could'nt hang with this. This time next year we will be voting the LST "TRUCK OF THE YEAR! Is anyone taking pre orders? Late Spring- late APR. or May

[J mAn]

Originally posted by Turbo Tin Can
Those shocks will work great on my t-maxx lol

LOL, you couldn't get these on a maxx unless your upper suspension arms were toothpicks...

[cbr74]

There's already a picture of the truck with the rear wheels turning

Where?

[Tamiya4ever]

Originally posted by Ferrari_Spyder
only $599?! you do realize that the first price is always $100 more than it should be. wait a month and $500 will be coming.

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeetness!

I bet the price will go down to $499 in a few months. :D

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by Frapechino
lol


genisis who????

I told CEN they should have released earlier...

Genesis. The one that will be bigger, quicker, faster and cost quite a bit less than the LST and is reported to handle great. The genesis too has more of a monster truck look to it. The LST is Stadium truckish.

Ive been reading that Losi is going to have a limited supply. I can think of 2 reasons for this. One involves letting the public find what issues it has. The other no comment yet.

1st impression I do like it more than the MGT. The big shocks are cool. Bigger engine and better looking/bigger tires.

[raderrustler]

Will you manufacturers quit doing this to me....Not another Monster truck I want to buy.....Oh dear...woe is me.
Randy

[luvnitro]

The price of $599.95, what makes some of you think it will go down? I've heard that several HS's have it already listed for that price. Would it make any difference wether you ordered it from Horizon or any other mail order hobby supplier? What are some peoples thoughts? Thanks, Bruce

[J mAn]

It will probably drop $100 or so a month or two after it is released, It always happens.

[Timmerica]

I already have that JR radio system. Do you guys think there is any chance they'll make one will no radio or a cheaper one? I bought my radio so that I'd never have to get another or crystals again.

[J mAn]

When are they going to make a brushless one? :)

[Sebastiano]

If Losi releases a Kit version with no engine, radio and electronics I will buy it in a heart beat.
It's one sweet looking truck.

[J mAn]

i would too, but I doubt they would make a kit version as it wouldn't have enough buyers. It would be a great project if they had a kit though.

[Viperrgh2]

those tires look alot like imex swamps :p well at least a company finally came up with a completely new idea other then a t-maxx or savage copy or a 1/8 truggy

[synapse75]

hey

Can somebody explain to me why losi and Asc are bent on running the motor longitudinally?

This is going to add another set of ring and pinion gears the power is going to have to go through before it hits the tires.. WHY not mount it inline, like the savage and most others?

jason

[Frank McKinney]

There's already a picture of the truck with the rear wheels turning

Originally posted by cbr74
Where?

http://www.rcracer.com/n00_163.htm

[2.0dohc]

is it just me, or does any one else see a decent truck with quite a few design flaws?

fuel tank is nice and close to the engine, nothing like nice warm fuel to make some power with :rolleyes: dont realy like how it is so close to the outside of the body, to easy to damage
shocks are kinda cool, no real need to be that big though, seems to limit the spring selection
no need in the world to have two high torque servos, if you realy need that much power something is realy wrong with the steering system, cheaper soulution would be one 1/4 servo
not alot of options with the suspension, wow preset non adjustable camber, and only two shock mounting holes on top and bottom....is this a truck from a racing company or not?
roto start is fine for some people but give me a pullstart, just another thing to charge up and luge around with me
never realy like the multi layer chassis design, gives the false illusion of increased ground clearence, and it adds a lot of areas for dirt to collect


but thats just my opions, not yours
some people would by a bag of rubber bands if losi put there name on it

[2.0dohc]

Originally posted by Frank McKinney
http://www.rcracer.com/n00_163.htm

back tires don't look turned to me :confused:

[cbr74]

OK Frank... I'm lookin at that pic... and those rear wheels don't look turned to me.

I even saved the pic and zoomed in on it. There's no linkage where it'd need to be for the rear tires TO turn.

[synapse75]

amen..

you can get a 1/4scale servo for 30-40bux with 150oz of torque or more and they dont way anything. Anybody own a terra crusher? it worked GREAT.

I thought losis offer would be more performance oriented.

Originally posted by 2.0dohc
is it just me, or does any one else see a decent truck with quite a few design flaws?

fuel tank is nice and close to the engine, nothing like nice warm fuel to make some power with :rolleyes: dont realy like how it is so close to the outside of the body, to easy to damage
shocks are kinda cool, no real need to be that big though, seems to limit the spring selection
no need in the world to have two high torque servos, if you realy need that much power something is realy wrong with the steering system, cheaper soulution would be one 1/4 servo
not alot of options with the suspension, wow preset non adjustable camber, and only two shock mounting holes on top and bottom....is this a truck from a racing company or not?
roto start is fine for some people but give me a pullstart, just another thing to charge up and luge around with me
never realy like the multi layer chassis design, gives the false illusion of increased ground clearence, and it adds a lot of areas for dirt to collect


but thats just my opions, not yours
some people would by a bag of rubber bands if losi put there name on it

[cbr74]

Can somebody explain to me why losi and Asc are bent on running the motor longitudinally?

It gives cooling air an unobstructed path to the engine head, no big air filter in the way. It also allows easy access to the slipper, spurs, and clutchbell.

Can you change a clutchbell on a Savage or T-Maxx with the engine in the truck? Only if the transmission isn't in the truck. LOL

2.0 dohc... most of your points are valid... but that fuel tank is nestled well down below the shocktower and the engine head, I don't see how it'd be any more or less susceptible to damage than any other truck. At least it's IN the truck and not hangin off the side. haha

I hadn't noticed the non-adjustable camber... definite negative there, just like the Savage. Hopefully they'll come up with a quick solution just like HPI did.

you can get a 1/4scale servo for 30-40bux with 150oz of torque or more and they dont way anything. Anybody own a terra crusher? it worked GREAT.

Yep, got a Terra Crusher.. 1/4 scaler does work great, but it's huge.

[synapse75]

Originally posted by cbr74
It gives cooling air an unobstructed path to the engine head, no big air filter in the way. It also allows easy access to the slipper, spurs, and clutchbell.

Can you change a clutchbell on a Savage or T-Maxx with the engine in the truck? Only if the transmission isn't in the truck. LOL


Yep, got a Terra Crusher.. 1/4 scaler does work great, but it's huge.

I dont think that is as big deal as the loss of power through the drivetrain. It is pretty easy to put the air filter on an elbow. If this is such a great advantage maybe they should infrom kyosho or mugen of these great findings..

[synapse75]

cbr74

you should spend more time driving the truck than changing the spur/cbell anyways..

I would prefer less gears and more power.

On a tmx you can change the spur without pulling the motor, and its only 5 more screws if you decided to, which is a good idea to do anyways to give everything a good cleaning.

[cbr74]

I'm pretty sure they already know... considering the MRX3 and V-OneR both have transverse mounted engines.

Synapse.. are you just itchin for a fight or what? Question was asked, I answered. There's no malice intended, yet you seem primed for a flame war. Am I wrong?

[synapse75]

Originally posted by cbr74
I'm pretty sure they already know... considering the MRX3 and V-OneR both have transverse mounted engines.

Synapse.. are you just itchin for a fight or what? Question was asked, I answered. There's no malice intended, yet you seem primed for a flame war. Am I wrong?

I was referring to a buggy, as it is shaft drive and run offroad, not an onroad car.

I thought the air filter bit was mocking.. the longitude motor mount makes no sense to me. The advantages of an inline mount greatly offset the extra work to change the cbell.. unless the vehicle is belt driven..

[cbr74]

Matter of opinion. I like the ease of access to the slipper adjustment, spur gear, clutch and clutchbell.

So you have an extra ring and pinion... you've got a 13 pound MT with 4 speeds and reverse... one more ring and pinion doesn't amount to much either way. They weren't much concerned about rotating mass or parrasitic friction when they gave it two gear ranges and reverse.

Oh.. and as long as we're arguing the merits of transverse mounting... it's un-affected by torque steer.

[synapse75]

I dont think you're going to have to worry about torque steer with a mach motor.. :)

[synapse75]

i'll stick with my original opinion, too many gears...

[StevePond]

Lets back off on the arm-chair engineer of the truck for now. We all can test our own little theories when each of us buys one and can approach this with at least a shred of evidence. ;)

[cbr74]

On that note... think they'll demo the LST at RCX? I'd like to see one in action in person.

[rcguy2477]

Too me it looks like one of the best monster trucks so far. On www.teamlosi.com , they have a picture of a radar gun picturing 44mph. Those shocks are overkill but they do look cool.

[kcobra]

Originally posted by synapse75
I dont think you're going to have to worry about torque steer with a mach motor.. :)

Ha. Now thats funny.

[rglover]

Guys stop whining about the price,here are a feww of my ideas that might get you one. 1)Tell Santa aka MOM and DAD that a candy cane and a pair of socks would b all u want 4 xmas if u could get the LST now.2)Tell them it is part of Parenting :The anti- drug program.3)Work hard ie. honor roll,raking leaves or whatever if it's worth having it's worth working 4.

[cbr74]

Nitro: the Anti-Drug

[gizmoguy303]

I don't think the shocks are overkill at all - replacing 8 shocks with four heftier ones is better, in my opinion. I think marketing is half the reason they put 8 shocks in monster trucks, or even more shocks than that in the upcoming Genesis. Jeez, how many shocks does a truck need? :P

By the way, it looks AWESOME! Synthesized radio and receiver? Yes! I'm glad Losi put all the good stuff in one package from the start, instead of outfitting it with cheap electronics that I would just replace anyway.


Looks good, I'm looking forward to hearing how it performs.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

Originally posted by cbr74
that fuel tank is nestled well down below the shocktower and the engine head, I don't see how it'd be any more or less susceptible to damage than any other truck. At least it's IN the truck and not hangin off the side. haha

cbr-i think he meant that the fuel tank is going to be heated up by the engine causing a loss of potential energy when combusting.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

Originally posted by synapse75
I was referring to a buggy, as it is shaft drive and run offroad, not an onroad car.

I thought the air filter bit was mocking.. the longitude motor mount makes no sense to me. The advantages of an inline mount greatly offset the extra work to change the cbell.. unless the vehicle is belt driven..

synapse - i think he was saying that they know because they have transverse mounted engines in these cars, so they most likely have considered it in their buggies.

[atm92484_3]

Originally posted by Ferrari_Spyder
cbr-i think he meant that the fuel tank is going to be heated up by the engine causing a loss of potential energy when combusting.

Warm fuel isn't a huge deal. Afterall both the pressure line and chassis heat are going to warm the fuel anyways. As long as you aren't trying to cook something on the engine, there shouldn't be a problem.

[synapse75]

ive seen the initial price for it.. i dont think it will be much less than 600bux.. "usually" dealer prices are pretty accurate..

[StevePond]

Originally posted by cbr74
On that note... think they'll demo the LST at RCX? I'd like to see one in action in person.

They haven't said definitively, and we haven't asked, but I would say it's a safe bet they'll have the truck at RCX.

[rampbrian]

quick question,

are the steering servos conected to the wheels seperately?

I can see my self driving at speed in to a tree/post/rock/what ever, and clipping the front tire on it while trying to avoid hitting it. this would definetly hurt the servo conected to the wheel that was hit.

so if one servo getts damaged, that side of the steering will be poor and the side that had no damage will be ok? do you get what Im asking? like one tire will be at full turn and the other front tire will only turn 1/2 way, or what ever the messed up servo will alow?

and if the front wheels are totaly seperate from one another, do you think its possible to connect them with a idol bar or some kind of device like that? so they will both steer acurately to one another

[synapse75]

half that i wasnt sure on, but the steering needs ackermen because each tire will follow a different radius through a corner

[synapse75]

http://www.teamlosi.com/kits/pics/LST/bottom_chassis.jpg

[synapse75]

What do you guys guess it weighs??

[cbr74]

Length 22"

Width 18.5"

Wheelbase 14.2"

Weight 13 pounds

Travel 3.5" (chassis)

Tire size 7.0"x 4.20"

Wheel Size 3.4"x 3"

Fuel tank capacity 171cc

Top Speed: 40mph range

[luvnitro]

I wonder if Losi is going to offer several color combinations for the body. Also I have seen the truck shown with two different body styles. Wonder which one it will be? Thanks, Bruce

[tphss]

Looks good! I might re-consider buying the MGT...

[brickshelf]

LST or Genisis:confused:

[2.0dohc]

Originally posted by StevePond
Lets back off on the arm-chair engineer of the truck for now. We all can test our own little theories when each of us buys one and can approach this with at least a shred of evidence. ;)

sorry if I put my thoughts rather bluntly, I guess I was expecting more of a "racer" from them

there are alot of good points on the truck, and the more choices the better(getting tired of the tmaxx ;) maybe this truck can take it down)

[synapse75]

I have never seen anything that cen produced was half decent.. :(
But i have never seen the genisis..

If you are bent on spending 600+bux on a Mtruck, why not consider the twin titan.. :)

[Ferrari_Spyder]

a twin titan doesn't come with an xs3 nor anything close.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by synapse75
I have never seen anything that cen produced was half decent.. :(


Where have you been. The MT2 has been winnging BIG races in mostly stock form against heavily mod maxxes, hybrids and the like. Its the 03 National Champion Monster Truck winner.

[synapse75]

oh, sorry.. dont follow truck racing

[synapse75]

i have seen an MT2, thats nothing special.. must of had a good driver

[b3guyRC10]

Am I the only one who is some what disappointed?

I just got my new RCCA with the LST on the cover, and after a quick skim I was utterly disapointed. It may have some new and different features, but true be told, I think there are better MT's out there. The MGT just needs a new radio and engine, then it is a screamer on and off the track. Then there is the savage for around $400ish, which is the ultimate basher. Sure the 2 steering servos, huge shocks and funky 4 speed tranny look cool, but I think they are just gimicks (sp?)

Only time will tell, but I think Losi should have left it simpler. Sounds like the tranny is more complex than it needs to be...

Hopefully I am wrong, but I don't think I will be... lol

-Will

[WheelNut]

Yes b3 I agree with you. Why did they make such freakishly huge shocks?! Mabye they work really really good or something, but I kinda doubt it. Plus they add alot of weight up high. And the trans. mounted engine is kinda pointless ya. Its just extra gears that take away acceleration and gain wieght. The body is pretty good though actually, and the 2 speed with a slipper in it that probably doesn't use those stupid a$$ pegs like the MGT and the maxx, which are horrible!!(I don't really like them)
The tranny is actually compact to, which is cool, and the engine probably rocks, 7ports! I think a 1/4 scale servo would have been better than 2 servos which will just increase mechanical losses because of all the gears and linkages added. The shocks would look much better with black springs and hard anodized bodies, the blue looks really cheasy. Actually if you look past the shocks which could easily enough be replaced with lighter 1/8 scale units, mabye those shocks are really long. The arms look light and strong too. The upper arms reach up which is interesting. I wonder why they didn't include the zombie maxx tires?

They will probably offer a radio less version since the XS3 is expensive, mabye engine less also.

Looks very expensive.

[Lordkett]

Hmmm....looks like I will be getting a new monster truck soon. :D

[Gyro Gearloose]

First truck I have ever seen that made me check the balance in my bank accounts.

i'm very impressed with the features and engineering of this truck. it looks like it could make a killing if it were in-line with the pricing of a maxx or savage.

Let's see now... toymaxx and clones or 'hobby quality through and through' stomping truck?
Hmmmmm.....
BwaHa Ha HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!! http://mars.walagata.com/w/lolagt/lol1.gif

This truck WILL make a killing, you can count on that.

[muswagon]

I think the LOSI is very race oriented, just in the A-arm design. The problem with truggies is the front suspension geometry, with either dom rims or Tmaxx adapters the suspension is thrown right off. This LOSI truck fixes that, it is designed to be the same as a 1/10 stadium except bigger, no conversion kit here.

The radio is awesome. If the price is what is stopping you, the radio should fetch a good buck on ebay, and either use the one you got or buy an MX3. That would take your price at or lower than the MGT.

Genesis who? The Genesis will compete with the Titan Twin, and the EK4. The Losi will compete with Tmaxx and Savage for bashing and racing, and truggies for racing.

These extras everyone is worried about, no big deal, it wont take long for guys to figure out how to eliminate the extra gears for reverse and the lower speeds, or for the aftermarket to help.

This is leaps and bounds ahead of the MGT, which is just TTR renamed trash anyway. Better radio (doesnt look like it came from star trek, engine, TRUCK IS ACTUALLY MADE BY LOSI, no Duratrax Nitro Quake retreads.

It is functional which will bring experienced bashers and racers. It has bling (wheels, shocks, radio) which will bring the brand zombies, it has size which will bring the guys who want the biggest truck.

Overall I say it is a winner. I just bought an MBX4 and conversion kit for racing, and I am trying to sell my new Lightning PRO so I can afford this for bashing and a race truck backup.

Losi will kick butt on sales with this beast, the MGT never took off like it was supposed to. The T-maxx is in need of some freshening. The Savage is hitting full stride now, and will be a tough competitor on the shelf.

And someone mentioned it earlier, The name TEAM LOSI will sell itself. They could take a Clod Buster and stick Losi on it and some guys would be trying to race it. Kidding, kidding.

[Bansheeman]

All I'm going to say is: Losi doesn't have a reputation for the most durable cars. And the design looks like it was thought up by a kid. (i.e. the more servo's the better, the more gears the better, the bigger the shocks are the better, the faster the better, the wider the better, the longer the better...you get the point:p )

[muswagon]

When it outsells the MGT 5 to 1, come talk to me again.

[Size 14]

Originally posted by muswagon
TRUCK IS ACTUALLY MADE BY LOSI

i didn't know losi was a chinese company now...

hehe, couldn't resist

[Bansheeman]

Originally posted by muswagon
When it outsells the MGT 5 to 1, come talk to me again.


I'll do that.:)

[muswagon]

Good point. What I meant was desgined by Losi ORIGINALLY. Most RTR's are made in China or Taiwan anyway. The MGT was designed by TTR. Look at the original MGT and the actual release, show me what "genius" that AE changed, practically nothing except for durability issues.

[Bansheeman]

Yeah, the MGT was designed by Thunder Tiger (which make an awsome 1/8 buggy, so don't judge them on one poor designed monster truck) then redesigned by AE so it would up to there standerds, so its an AE product. I wouldn't be surprised if Losi did the same with the LST, since thats what they did with the Mini-T.

[Size 14]

you know steve is gonna spank you for the ttr/ae-bashing...eheheh

i think the current crop of independent suspension pseudo-monsters are all pretty gimmicky, with the reverse modules and damper overdose etc...i don't particularly care for any of them...but i agree it's a sad day when an hpi is probably the best of the lot as regards durability...that surely has to be one of the seven signs

[muswagon]

I dont think so, at least I hope not. Steve was mad at me and Coconut for bashing each other and getting nasty. This post is just my opinion, if it is not suitable I would rather see them deleted than me getting banned. Please let me know if I have crossed the line Steve, I will gladly edit my comments out. I enjoy this forum too much to get banned over my lets say "over zealous" opinions.

[muswagon]

I truly feel that Losi drew up the CAD's and sent to whatever place overseas makes their XXX series of RTR's. Maybe Steve can shed some light. This kinda thing happens in every industry, whether we like it or not. Sticking with RC, the new crop of temp gauges are hilarious. Duratrax, Atomik, and about five other companies have their names on it. The Ofna one doesnt even have the name Ofna anywhere on the unit. I must say once you have a strong marketing name, you can get away with alot. Unless you are Ford and build an Edsel, that is just unforgiveable.

[Size 14]

agreed...the funniest part is when two competitors wind up selling what is essentially the same rebadged car cough*kyosho and trinity*

i can't believe you let the "awesome 1/8 ttr buggy" comment slide by...their new design looks pretty nice though, has this cool extruded tunnel in the chassis and some other neat design features...course it may turn out to be a pretty looking POS but we shall see

/off-topic rambling

[muswagon]

I think the EB4 S2 was a good buggy, its the customer service and parts support that turns people off, thats why i let it slide :) The Best thing that TTR can do for itself with the new buggy is badge as AE in the USA. Their seems to be great parts support for the MGT, and the parts are made in the same factory as the EB4. The only company that saved the EK4 second version was autohausRC in Florida, without them there would be no parts, or exposure. I keep seeing this new SSK truck, number one there is no demand for a 1/10scale truck so why build it, and I have been seeing ads for three months with pricing or availability. I am not trashing TRR, just questioning their marketing stradegy, it seems flawed when compared to the other heavy hitters. Hong Norr and Ho Bao would have the same problem in the USA without Ofna.

Customer confidence would greatly improve even if it is was only a rebadge with no AE input, never mind if AE was involved to the point of the MGT.

Ofna buggies are so succesful because of their exposure. Whether it is the Hong Nor or Ho Bao buggies, ads are ample, parts support is great, and you add all of these people on ebay splitting up kits, you almost want to break them to grab cheap parts :)

Kyosho is succesful because they have a great driver, and "everyone want to be like Mike"

Losi will have huge success with this truck because of all of the features. The XS3 radio is awesome, and again, sell it on ebay and you now priced below the MGT and on par with the Tmaxx. Parts support will be huge, and exposure/marketing is already in high gear.

Sorry for the ramble. Keep in mind these are just my opinions, please dont attack me :)

[saabcaptain]

i have a problem with the losi lst. the same problem i have with the t-maxx and the TA BFT.

none of them have a standard. all are different sizes. none have similar engines.

after years of good monster trucks being available we need a ROAR standard to race these things, and with 3 major companies producing 3 very different trucks, and many other small companies producing even more variety... well it just stinks we can't find a class that makes it fair for all in races.

bashing is fun. informal open class racing is ok too. just wish we could race these things with an even playing field like buggies, stadium trucks etc.

[Gen. Salsa]

Thats kind of an ironic post... for every person who makes a similar ROAR standard request there are 2 or 3 who will label a vehicle with similar specs and standards a "T-Maxx clone" I think the current "standard" now is to continue to out do the competition..... the T-Maxx was outdone by the Savage, the Savage by the MGT, and now Losi will out do them all. While its definately true that virtually every track has an open truck race class... I think the manufacturers know their target audience extremely well... and they also know the majority of monsters are never raced and are simply bashed. Given the way these vehicles are used, not having standards may be a good thing for this target group of consumers

[cbr74]

I was thinking the exact same thing...

sorry captain... but racing isn't what drives the R/C market, especially when it comes to MT's.

[muswagon]

It would almost be safe to say that racing helps sell trucks, but it is not what most customers end up doing with their trucks.

[Rich Trujillo]

Yeah, the MGT was designed by Thunder Tiger (which make an awsome 1/8 buggy, so don't judge them on one poor designed monster truck) then redesigned by AE so it would up to there standerds, so its an AE product. I wouldn't be surprised if Losi did the same with the LST, since thats what they did with the Mini-T.

The LST was completely designed in house on a blank sheet of paper...ok computer screen :)

[muswagon]

Cool. I hope I can afford one some day soon :) It is worth every penny they are charging for it.

[creep]

Originally posted by Bansheeman
Yeah, the MGT was designed by Thunder Tiger (which make an awsome 1/8 buggy, so don't judge them on one poor designed monster truck) then redesigned by AE so it would up to there standerds, so its an AE product. I wouldn't be surprised if Losi did the same with the LST, since thats what they did with the Mini-T.

Why, who originaly designed the MINI-T ?

[StevePond]

This is a thread about the Losi truck. If anyone wants to discuss other topics, move it to another thread.

[DanteXIII]

There is only one thing I have to say about the LST...SOLD. I just hope I can get it with a good color.

[Timmerica]

I don't understand why so many people have a problem with the shocks. It seems to me that 4 big shocks would be much easier to adjust and maintian than 8 smaller shocks (ex. MGT). Who wants to change the oil in 8 shocks? Not me.

[muswagon]

Who need resevoirs with shocks that big, thats another nice savings. So, lets price this out;

T-maxx or MGT, need new radio, hi torque servo, new alum shocks with or without piggybacks. Lets split the cost at $450 as an average price for either truck. Then we will compare the Losi.

T-maxx/MGT, $450. Shocks, $100 (average of piggy and non piggy), Radio $175 (average of MX3/XS3), Hitec 645 $40. Total = $765.

Losi LST, truck $575 (lets assume).

Now, you can also argue that you would need another $50 to upgrade the MGT's engine (Cost of new engine on ebay vs selling new MGT engine on ebay, just an estimate. You could also argue selling the unused stuff on ebay would fetch some money back. At very worst, the price will be a wash.

Overall, on paper anyway, I love the LST. I can't afford one, but I love it none the less! It is packed with features. Great engine, great radio, nice body. yeah, its a little gimmicky, but I am sure people said that about the easy start when it debuted.

[cbr74]

You make it way too complicated... let me simplify it.... it costs $600 and comes with a $200 radio, nuf said.

[Ferrari_Spyder]

^^^^agreed^^^^:o

[BCat125]

ill have to get one of those for myself to bash at monster truck shows. It looks very durable to me and is most likely faster than my mgt is right now. ill have to sell some of my other rcs to get one but theres a good chance ill get one.

[ctaylor8211]

I'm not quite sure if this has already been addressed or not, 6 pages is kind of a lot to read through. But isn't anyone else bothered by the fact that this truck will be ready to run only? I would have thought that atleast losi would give us the option of kit form. Don't get me wrong, it appears to be a spectacular truck and I want one as bad as all of you, but I for one would greatly appreciate a kit. Just ignore me if this has already been covered, but I would like to know what you guys think.

[mwcet8k]

Have any of you noticed a pattern in the way Team Losi develops and releases their vehicles? Ever since their original car (the JRX2) they've always done the same thing. They wait a little longer than everyone else to get in the game, but then wind up releasing a product that's just a little better than anything else on the market. They follow this pattern time and time again, and this truck appears to be yet another example of this. That's why I'm a diehard Losi fan. Engineering wins!!

[mwcet8k]

Originally posted by Timmerica
I don't understand why so many people have a problem with the shocks. It seems to me that 4 big shocks would be much easier to adjust and maintian than 8 smaller shocks (ex. MGT). Who wants to change the oil in 8 shocks? Not me.

I totally agree. Four larger shocks will be easier to maintain than eight smaller ones (i.e. you have half the number of seals that could develop leaks). I wouldn't be surprised if one of these larger shocks is actually lighter than two standard shocks too. To be honest, I've always thought the eight shock setup was more of a marketing gimmick than anything. Think about it like this: Would a XXX-T handle better with eight Mini-T shocks mounted on it (the new hard anodized Mini-T shocks)? Of course not. The only thing you would succeed in doing is making things more complicated and degrade the trucks handling. When it comes to RC, one shock per wheel is the best way to go 99% of the time.

[Corey Paugh]

Originally posted by muswagon
It would almost be safe to say that racing helps sell trucks, but it is not what most customers end up doing with their trucks.

If I were to review the LST for a magazine, this is how it would go:

The Monster Truck is arguably the most diversely used and heavily modified vehicle in all of radio control. These trucks have to hill climb, rock crawl, and tow (tug-o-war) better than their peers. Then they also need to be quicker, faster, and more nimble than the competition. They must jump higher, land better, and turn tighter as well. On top of this, they must be gargantuan, weigh as little as possible, be easy to work on, be stylish and cool, not break parts, and operate as simply as any ordinary R/C vehicle. And, at the end of the day, they are expected to be marginally more expensive than a kit, yet include all of the extra components necessary to be Ready-To-Run.

Let's think about this for a minute. Did anyone ever see Bigfoot racing across the desert chasing down Ivan Stewart? Yet a guy's Monster Truck is expected to perform well on tracks designed for vehicles like 1/10 scale buggies, electric and nitro stadium trucks, and even electric and nitro touring cars! Then it has to leave the track and go home and pound around in the back yard or out in the canyon or the wash and climb over rocks, ravines, and whatever other obstacles that may lie in its path.

These demands were considered when the specification for the LST was drawn up. I feel that every single one of these concerns has been addressed with this new truck. Losi has left no stone unturned in its quest to build the ultimate Monster Truck, in my opinion. The LST will do all of these things better than any other "stock from the box" truck out there. It will do most of them better than any heavily modified truck as well.

Wait for it with great anticipation...

[Ferrari_Spyder]

Originally posted by ctaylor8211
I'm not quite sure if this has already been addressed or not, 6 pages is kind of a lot to read through. But isn't anyone else bothered by the fact that this truck will be ready to run only? I would have thought that atleast losi would give us the option of kit form. Don't get me wrong, it appears to be a spectacular truck and I want one as bad as all of you, but I for one would greatly appreciate a kit. Just ignore me if this has already been covered, but I would like to know what you guys think.

dude: sell the servos, radio, and engine, unscrew the whole truck, put it back together, buy all the radio gear back and the engine and you have your kit all ready to go...

[docman2]

I think its funny how people complain about everything. If somone builds a "standard" MT then its a Tmaxx clone. If its different then they complain its Not standard size etc. If they use a basic radio then people complain the radio is cheap and you have to upgrade. If they use a quality radio then people complain about the price. If it dosnt have reverse, they complain, give it reverse, complain. One weak servo, complain, two servos, complain etc etc.
As for the tranny and the extra gear required. I really doubt the very little extra rotating mass will be noticed on a 13pound truck with 7in tires and a .26 motor.
As for the shocks. Come on! Everyone knows that the more oil a shock holds the better it will work. Thats why all the "big bore" shocks are a selling point or used as an upgrade. It stands to reason that one big shock should work better than 2 tiny shocks. Plus it really simplifies things.

Im not a big monster truck fan (even though I have a Mod Clod, Emaxx, and had a Tmaxx 2.5) but I think its nice to see Losi actually design something new instead of using the cookie cutter method of building the same old thing or turning a 1/8th scale buggy into a Truggy.
Look at it for what it is instead of what it isnt.

[cbr74]

You can please some of the people all of the time and all the people some of the time... but you can't please all the people all the time.

[cnroman]

docman2-Well put.

[mwcet8k]

Yep docman2, couldn't have said it better myself.

[Nobrushesforme]

Is it just the picture or does it look to others that the shocks don't have much travel? Looks almost like touring car travel, but it might just be cause the shocks are so big.

[mwcet8k]

Originally posted by Nobrushesforme
Is it just the picture or does it look to others that the shocks don't have much travel? Looks almost like touring car travel, but it might just be cause the shocks are so big.

I kind of see what you mean, but I think it's really an illusion because the shocks are so much bigger than typical shocks. Take a look at this comparison pic from Losi's website.

http://www.teamlosi.com/kits/pics/LST/shock_comparison.jpg

[docman2]

Yeah its just an illusion. If you compare the exposed shafts it actually has more travel than the 1/8th scale shock.

[cbr74]

The shock shaft is also about 37% thicker than the regular Losi shock, but its size relative to the huge shock body makes it look small.

[andersun16]

Just put my name on the list at the LHS and just sold my TMAXX for $300. The LHS told me he thought they were getting 2 LSTs in mid-March and the rest were all on back order. I'm hoping this doesn't get pushed back but I have yet to see any release dates in print. $600 is a good chunk of change but I believe it to be proportionate with what is being sold. The fact that I don't have to rebuild/maintain 8 shocks anymore is worth $100.00 in my labor! Besides, the chicks dig it.

[stefcold]

mid-march????

I've already put a deposit on it at my LHS. I'm first in line :D

But I was told mid to late MAY.

Stef...

[Rich Trujillo]

Originally posted by andersun16
Just put my name on the list at the LHS and just sold my TMAXX for $300. The LHS told me he thought they were getting 2 LSTs in mid-March and the rest were all on back order. I'm hoping this doesn't get pushed back but I have yet to see any release dates in print. $600 is a good chunk of change but I believe it to be proportionate with what is being sold. The fact that I don't have to rebuild/maintain 8 shocks anymore is worth $100.00 in my labor! Besides, the chicks dig it.


Your hobby shop was confused, it will be in May, not March :)

[muswagon]

I have heard mid march as well.

[andersun16]

Sounds like Losi needs to give a ballpark release date.

[cbr74]

They have... as Mr. Trujillo just stated... May, it'll be out in May.

[muswagon]

Helps if I new who Mr. Trujillo is?

[cbr74]

Ya know that little button marked profile?

From Rich Trujillo's profile:
Occupation Team Losi Team Manager

You can also go here:
http://www.teamlosi.com/limelite/index.htm

[muswagon]

Okie dokie.

[Colt M4]

How is this truck suppose to switch from low gear to high gear if there is reverse and it only has 3 channels?

[cbr74]

It's done manually. Push a button, flip a switch, or sumthin to that effect, not on the transmitter... but on the truck itself.

[BriS]

That's a cool idea. Sure beats changing pinions or spurs.

[nitrofun]

I got out of Nitro a while ago, but this truck is making me consider a return to nitro. DAMN its nice!!

[Nobrushesforme]

Originally posted by mwcet8k
I kind of see what you mean, but I think it's really an illusion because the shocks are so much bigger than typical shocks. Take a look at this comparison pic from Losi's website.

http://www.teamlosi.com/kits/pics/LST/shock_comparison.jpg

It would have been nice if they would included a shock from other monsters already out there. I'm still not sure it has quite the travel that others do, but that might not matter with the bigger shocks. It does look to have a lower CG then the standard fair out there, so I'm sure it will be a strong truck on the track, and maybe not the crazy insane superjumper that most monsters tend to be.

[raderrustler]

WOW....
I just read this whole thread...fron to back and the truck is definitely a different well designed Monster truck. Mr Trujillo, thank you for responding and letting us know how it really was designed. Mr Pond thank you for telling the Pyromaniac flame-warriors to take it elsewhere. I will get one....My opinion only.

Randy

[NitroRookie]

I got the April Issue of RC Car Action last week. And I can't stop myself from reading the article on the New Team Losi LST ( Losi Super Truck). In my opinion the truck can't arrive on hobby shop shelves fast enough. As soon as it becomes available from Greathobbies. I'm going to order one for myself. This truck has got to be one of the best if not thee best Nitro RTR Monster Truck on the planet Earth.

P.S. There is one RC I wish all RC companies would if they could. And that is a 1/8 or 1/10 Nitro-Powered Big Rig.

[BlutoSigPi]

I also agree...and agree with what you say. I see things like 10 shocks on that new CEN truck with shocks sticking out above the shock towers and all this and I say...WHY??? Maybe they think raising the center of gravity and roll center is a good thing or something. Irritating to me. Losi setup=logical. Thank you Losi. One of my biggest gripes about MT's are finally addressed.

Originally posted by mwcet8k
I totally agree. Four larger shocks will be easier to maintain than eight smaller ones (i.e. you have half the number of seals that could develop leaks). I wouldn't be surprised if one of these larger shocks is actually lighter than two standard shocks too. To be honest, I've always thought the eight shock setup was more of a marketing gimmick than anything. Think about it like this: Would a XXX-T handle better with eight Mini-T shocks mounted on it (the new hard anodized Mini-T shocks)? Of course not. The only thing you would succeed in doing is making things more complicated and degrade the trucks handling. When it comes to RC, one shock per wheel is the best way to go 99% of the time.

[MethaneFreak]

This is by far my favorite truck in the market. One of my favorites is the high/low range. Last time I took my Maxx to the snow, it bogged down in the power and stopped, pissed me off. The daul servos up front is pretty nice, actually have good steering stock:). I read somewhere (thing RCCA) that it officially has the biggest stock tires out, does it? I think their 7 1/4". The starter is nice, if ya ask me. And last, look at how well put togather and organized the chassis is. Steering servos parellel, engine and tank are in the middle of the chassis.

Only dislike I have is how the shocks are mounted. Well not how, they are in front of the top arm and mount on the front side of the lower arm. More prone to damage is all.

[islandfire71]

Does anyone know would the maxx tire and body fit the LST? Coz I was planning to get the Savage, so I ordered the tires, body and roto starter first. Now I want to get the LST, but I dont want to waste the tire and body.

[Nobrushesforme]

Originally posted by cbr74
It's done manually. Push a button, flip a switch, or sumthin to that effect, not on the transmitter... but on the truck itself.

Whats the use of reverse is you have to walk up to the truck and flick a switch, wouldn't you just turn the truck around by hand?

I would think it's more logical to say that both steering servos are on the same channel with a "Y" cord and the 3rd channel is for reverse. The thing would be impossible to drive if each steering servo was on a different channel.

[EvaderLXPro]

If you would have the the whole thread you would know that the switch is not for reverse. It is for switching the truck into high or low gear. And by the way team associated didnt modify the bft from thunder tiger thunder tiger is the company who makes it in England. Then Associated slaps there name on it. Things in England are way different then they are here. My local Magazine shop carries and england R/C import magazine.

[muswagon]

Well sort of. THunder Tiger built a truck, they showed it to AE, AE said "well, close, but let us tweak it a bit". A year later the new version is out with some obvious AE attributes (and much needed support compared to TTR). Now, what I am not sure of is the TTR version that is selling if that is the original pre AE version or the tweaked version, I have heard yes and no on these forums.

[DCLXVI]

I've seen the TTR version IRL (I haven't seen the MGT though) and comparing it to the nomerous pics I've seen of the MGT, they are the same...

(the pics shown on the Thunder Tiger homepage are not of the production truck)....

[RespiratoryRC]

I have a .21 T-maxx and a regular TRX Turbo .15 T-Maxx, and must say this: I drive my .15 more than my .21 due to the high maintanance of this truck.I have upgraded both diffs, all the gears in the tranny, added larger fuel tank, bigger engine, and an entire onslaugth of stuff to fortify my .21 T-maxx; I believe I am around the $1500.00 mark and still buying. If I were to sell this truck I could maybe get $300-400 on ebay.

Is the LST expensive? SURE IT IS!!! BUT, I would have rather spent a quick $600 with an excellent radio and everything than $1500+ on a project that's not complete yet!!

Hell I don't even have a great radio yet. That was going tobe my net purchase, But having seen the LST and read that it's going to come with the radio I planned on buying (JR XS3 $240.00) I'm going to sell my .21 T-maxx and buy a truck that was built and TESTED complete and WARRANTEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many of you guys have forgotten that these trucks are warranteed!!! :)

[challenger440-6]

i read somewhere about 3.5in of travel (chassis)... i dunno what the chassis part is all about, but other m/ts on the market have like 6in per wheel. i dont get it

[stefcold]

I don't know where you read that, but you cannot have MORE travel than what the shock can give you,

Take a look a the picture of side by side shocks, you can see that these huge shock will have at the very least the same amount of travel.

Stef...

[BlutoSigPi]

Originally posted by challenger440-6
i read somewhere about 3.5in of travel (chassis)... i dunno what the chassis part is all about, but other m/ts on the market have like 6in per wheel. i dont get it

6" of suspension travel per wheel??? A T-Maxx has about 3.5in...

[MethaneFreak]

LST Specs (http://www.teamlosi.com/kits/LST/index_main.htm)

Go there and you will see that it has 3.5" of chassis travel. That means the chassis will move 3.5" up and down relative to the wheels.

6" is BS. Most cars get 6-8".:rolleyes:

[Nobrushesforme]

I mis-read the post about the high and low gears, my bad!

I'm thinking that the people that are saying the MGT and Thunder Tiger trucks are the same have never compared the two, even a picture. I did out of curiosity after I read the posts here. They don't really look to be even that similar. Engine and electronic are mounted differently, the suspension doesn't look to be the same, and the shock tower look pretty different too. Go to AE's wibsite and get a picture then go to TTR's site for the other. If I'm missing somthing, maybe the one's that say they are the same could point it out?

I'm pretty sure that Losi's monster will be made over seas also. They already do that with the xxx-t rtr and xxx-nt rtr. But either are still nice trucks. Same goes for the MGT or the LST when it comes out.

The MGT has some wins under its belt also. Looks like another series for the heated Losi vs. Associated battle. Will be intresting, which I think will do good for that series as a whole.

[DCLXVI]

Originally posted by DCLXVI
I've seen the TTR version IRL (I haven't seen the MGT though) and comparing it to the nomerous pics I've seen of the MGT, they are the same...

(the pics shown on the Thunder Tiger homepage are not of the production truck)....

[Nobrushesforme]

Originally posted by DCLXVI



That's the picture that pretty much every website has, it's the picture on the box at my LHS, it's even in a article on R/C nitro action's website!

Sure hate to think everybody is selling non-production trucks!
Where the heck would they get them from?:confused:

I think the key words to your post and re-post are:

"(I haven't seen the MGT though)"

[DCLXVI]

Well I have (as I said) seen the MTA-4 IRL and it looks like the MGT's I've seen on pics...it does NOT however look like the pics on TTRs homepage (www.tiger.tw)

[StevePond]

Back on topic please... this is not a thread about an MGT or a T-Maxx.

[BlutoSigPi]

So has anyone heard for sure about what the gearbox in the LST is? How the reverse and/or high and low range deal is set up? :confused:

[DCLXVI]

Back on topic please... this is not a thread about an MGT or a T-Maxx.

Sorry, got a bit carried away... :o

[MethaneFreak]

I'd like to know the gearing or app. top speed of low range.

Anyone know how much the Savage was running for before it was released?

[senvek]

It seems to me that the tranny is set up to run in both a high and a low mode, if you will. I would assume this is to maximize power when crawling where speed is useless, and a bit more finesse and torque are required. That being said, however, it appears to be designed more like a "Truggy", which minimizes how much crawling it would be capable of anyway. At least you can tone it down so your five year old could drive it without smacking it into a wall at 40mph. IMO: It looks closer to a Dominator than an MGT or Titan. It should be very fast and handle great, but it has .5" less ground clearance than the MGT, and a lot of that is probably in part due to its gargantuan tire size. I'm not a truggy fan, but the LST is big enough and unique enough to make me scape the bottom of my wallet...I WANT ONE! NOW!!!!!!

[Scooby_WRX]

Man, i saw all these pages on the LST topic hoping for new information. Come in here and find a whole lot of off topic rambling. Anybody have any new info on this beast? My MGT days are over, im moving on.

Matt

[MethaneFreak]

Nah. No more info than on the losi site I mentioned previously and on here at the begining. If you get the April RCCA it has some info, but the losi site has more. The RCCA has some good pictures that are not on the losi site but the 'spy shot' theme was kinda cheesy.

[speedyz]

I should really stay off these forums. It's costing me a fortune. I read about the upcoming LST on one of these forums, then next thing I knew I was at my LHS placing a pre order with a deposit on the LST. The wait is driving me crazy. I keep on checking the internet and forums for any new acticles on the LST just about everyday. I already have the Monster GT which I also pre orderd, a Savage SS, Savage 21 hopped up, T-maxx and many touring cars. This LST will add to my collection of toys that I really dont have the room. I hear mixed reports when the LST will arrive. I sent an email to Team Losi and they stated that they hope to get the LST in stores by end of June!!. OUCH too long. I read somewhere mid May. I hope not longer than that. I cant wait to compare the LST to the MGT. My Savage SS is much faster than the MGT. I hope the LST will be as fun as my Savage trucks and MGT. I just hope it will arrive sooner than later.

[senvek]

I recently heard that Losi was only releasing a limited number to designated LHSs in June, and then would not release any mass numbers until Mid-Summer. I sincerely hope this is not true, because I would ask Losi if they learned anything from AE. How badly damaged were AE's sales when they released as late as they did? I wonder how much marketing research is done by the R/C industry as a whole. It intrigues me that so many things are released June-August. There seems to be little consideration that Joe Public in the Northern Climates has a considerably shorter outdoor season than say...SoCal. By the time Losi releases the LST, a third of the years decent weather is toast. By the time GS releases the new Avenger Storm, anyone in the northern states can only consider using it for the next year and maybe breaking it in this year for the tail end of the season. It seems to me that it would be wise to release what you can by early spring so that the typical, non-sponsored, John Q. Public can have a little access, and the advantage of reading some reviews by the illustrious R/C Car Action before the race season is several weeks under way. The LST hopefully is released as stated: late spring. But a teaser for a car that is really only available by mid-summer would be damaging to sales and customer relations. (Not a very good selling point for newbies to the sport.)

[Scooby_WRX]

I just got a response from Losi, they still tell me May for a release date.

Matt

[speedyz]

I just got a response from Losi, they still tell me May for a release date.

Matt
I got an email from Losi regarding the LST arrival 2 weeks ago. They stated that they hope they will have it at hobby shops by end of June. May sounds a lot better. That was what my LHS said. Did they say when in May? I have a deposit on one at my LHS.

[Scooby_WRX]

Late May is the release date im getting from Losi, and the hobby shops here in michigan. Although, i would be extremely shocked to see a truck get released on this market without the usual release date changes.

Matt

[MethaneFreak]

I'd really like to see a LST transmission set-up in a X-Factor. That would be absolutely killer!

[NitroBoy24]

I should really stay off these forums. It's costing me a fortune. I read about the upcoming LST on one of these forums, then next thing I knew I was at my LHS placing a pre order with a deposit on the LST. The wait is driving me crazy. I keep on checking the internet and forums for any new acticles on the LST just about everyday. I already have the Monster GT which I also pre orderd, a Savage SS, Savage 21 hopped up, T-maxx and many touring cars. This LST will add to my collection of toys that I really dont have the room. I hear mixed reports when the LST will arrive. I sent an email to Team Losi and they stated that they hope to get the LST in stores by end of June!!. OUCH too long. I read somewhere mid May. I hope not longer than that. I cant wait to compare the LST to the MGT. My Savage SS is much faster than the MGT. I hope the LST will be as fun as my Savage trucks and MGT. I just hope it will arrive sooner than later.

Dont worry there is hope! For free, yes that is right F-R-E-E I will take all that "junk" you no longer need! ;) :D Haha, like that would ever happen!

Regarding the LST:
Poo..Just saw the $600 price tag :( XS3 radio, .26, huge ass shocks, the thing is freaking awesome! But $600 is way too much for my 15 year old wallet lol. Do you think the price will drop after a while? My friends cousin has a Savage SS, my friend is probablly going to get a Savage after seeing one in action, and I am getting the bug for a monster truck..The savage is a hell of a deal imo but I dont want to be a "follower" (aka catching a lotta crap from my friend lol) and get a Savage. What to do what to do..

Off to go hope that the lst's price will drop eventually!

[tripplefatty]

i will pay $600..for the losi truck as fast as they get it in at the lhs....sh&t i would pay $700 for it!!!...think of the money you put into these other trucks on the market..to make them perfom better...radio..(come with one of the best radios on the market)...shocks..(the shocks on the losi rig are perfect)..motor..(the motor will do for now...but im sure its one of the fastest motors in a rtr )..cvd's..(comes with a great drive line..diffs tranny)..steering servo..(comes with 2 very good servos)..i could keep going but i think you get my point...
p.s. i will be buying the losi truck ..beat the sh&t out of it...raced last season (nitro mt & took first)..that was enough for be
jamie....

[senvek]

i will pay $600..for the losi truck as fast as they get it in at the lhs....sh&t i would pay $700 for it!!!...think of the money you put into these other trucks on the market..to make them perfom better...radio..(come with one of the best radios on the market)...shocks..(the shocks on the losi rig are perfect)..motor..(the motor will do for now...but im sure its one of the fastest motors in a rtr )..cvd's..(comes with a great drive line..diffs tranny)..steering servo..(comes with 2 very good servos)..i could keep going but i think you get my point...
p.s. i will be buying the losi truck ..beat the sh&t out of it...raced last season (nitro mt & took first)..that was enough for be
jamie....
I couldn't agree more. There is nearly 200 in radio equipment. It seems to me they are being pretty generous with a $600 price tag...as for paying $700: Don't give them any ideas. I have watched the video, and it looks as though that thing handles as well as some 1/8 buggies I've seen. If you look at an MGT, apply another 150 dollars worth of radio equip., and a .26 vs a .21, can you honestly say that it is that much more? I am anxious to get ahold of one, but I am trying to be a little realistic about its release: I figure late June/early July. If you don't have it pre-ordered, they will sell out quickly, and you will wait until late July to get one.

[tripplefatty]

my lhs has 3 of them coming...but they dont no when they will be in??first it was june...but i think it will be more like july...but thats ok with me..that gives more time ti finish moded my mini t..(this little truck is sweet)..
im sure it will be well with the wait!!!
jamie...

[dlrflyer]

Anybody have any idea what kind of ground clearance this LST has? It looks low to the ground, sorta truggyish.

[MegaMe]

about the release date imo i think losi announced earlier than they had wanted to... simply because they saw a big badass truck soon to be released being the cen genesis... and they didnt want everyone to go out and buy a genesis before they had heard about the losi... however with the genesis delayed so much, i think losi made a mistake of announcing it too early.

[KADE]

first couple weeks of May I will be looking to pick up my LST.......they will be ready. They have already won their first race....what's gonna keep them from waiting any longer? Plus economics says they will release before the Genesis if they are smart.

[senvek]

first couple weeks of May I will be looking to pick up my LST.......they will be ready. They have already won their first race....what's gonna keep them from waiting any longer? Plus economics says they will release before the Genesis if they are smart.
Not to seem too cynical, but the reality is most cars are put to the test on tracks long before they are available. I remember hearing about AE having a new buggy with "black-out" bodies, racing in So-Cal months before the B4 was released. I'm with you brother...if it will be available, I'll be waiting, but we are talking production here. It is an RTR, and it is all new tooling, I'm sure. No parts borrowed from a XXX vehicle, and it is Losi's first rip into 1/8 scale, so there are too many factors. A year ago we all were bantering that though the MGT release was way behind the original target, most were willing to wait because we knew it would rock. Now, we must resort to the same droll cliche...why? Because it is a Losi. It will be awesome, it won't have recalls and parts exchanges in its second week of release, and it will be very reliable. I just wish they would give RCCA a shot to test drive it and give the juicy specs on it. Face it, 90% of us in the hobby rely on RCCA for articles, updates, and yes: advertisements. I think if Losi were really wise, they would have given an exclusive to RCCA to test it and report on it. RCCA isn't going to write a bad review on it, Losi gives too much support to the mag and the industry as a whole, so even a decent review would be enough to get most MT addicts chomping at the bits.

[RCSavage]

I saw Rich Trujillo (Team Losi race team manager) at the Mini T nationals a couple of weeks ago and got all the 1st hand info on the truck. It sounds perfect. He did also say that they Willl meet a May delivery here in the states!!!!

[BlutoSigPi]

No parts borrowed from a XXX vehicle, and it is Losi's first rip into 1/8 scale, so there are too many factors.

They are actually calling it a 1/10th scale from what I've seen...if you can believe that.

[senvek]

They are actually calling it a 1/10th scale from what I've seen...if you can believe that.
Actually...I can believe it. To be honest with you, i think too many manufacturers were quick to call their MTs "1/8" scale, anyway. Reality is, they are MONSTER trucks. Doesn't that mean that they are monstrous within the domain of thier scale? So if you make a big truck, but raise the scaling, haven't you in effect shrunk the size of your truck? It's all psychological and meaningless, and pretty much just messin' wit your head. But, one thing I would like to see: 1/8 scale truck bodies that look like 1/8 scale truck bodies. MTs are starting to look like pinheads. I did the math on a few trucks like the Mammoth, Titan, MGT, etc. I need to double check myself, but I think that I am close. Averaging six trucks out, MTs on average are approximately 87% as wide as they are long. Doing the math on a real MT, it would be closer to 60-70%. Understand that this is for increased stability, but the bodies still remain narrow and disproportionate. So, you have this 12 pound 2-3 HP monster barreling around in a tiny 1/10 scale body. It just doesn't make sense. Make the bodies bigger and wider, and as long as they don't interfere with the steering, it will look more true to scale.

[winning edge designs]

I watched Adam Drake wheel a LSt and the TeamLosi champs in Minnreg, Fl. The thing looked sick, soaking up jumps and bumps, even had wicked good steering. It was very unusual to watch the front tires of a monster truck swing way to one side so fast. The truck had more physical steering throw as well as quicker steering movement. I'm sold on the two servos for steering, now!.....Jim

[losifreak2004]

I was at the U.S. Gas Champs where Adam won the two-speed monster truck class, which was the truck's first race..and it is very fast, even on the 200ft+ uphill straightaway they have there. Adam ran the stock radio, stock engine, stock everything..

I think the masses will be very pleased with this truck!

Aaron Waldron

[RCSavage]

I just got word from Horizon on Friday that the truck was pushed back to mid June now. :( Just when we were within a couple of weeks to go, we find out it's an additional 4 weeks. :eek: Man this wait is killing me.

[tripplefatty]

sorry!!!

[tripplefatty]

sorry

[tripplefatty]

lets keep in mind that the stock radio in the losi rig...is nothing less then awesome.... the stock radio in this trucks is worth over $300...the norm for these monster trucks..are AM radios...witch your best bet would be to give it away...or pay more for shipping then the radio is worth...losi has tooking this rig to the very high level of ..RTR....i dont think very many corp...will follow...

[Monsterbrad]

All I can say after lookin at the pics and seeing the size of this truck I think that ...................I WILL HAVE TO HAVE ONE
If this truck is as durable as the savage or storm sut or mgt I think other than the high price they have the best truck,but it will have to be able to take a beating and keep on keepin on.
We'll see what happens when its released.
I am going to start saveing now:-)
FM radio
duall steering servos
25 engine
looks like it might be kinda a pain to service the tranny or difs though...

[tripplefatty]

stat to save now...its to late...you need to preorder one...or find a hobbie shop that is getting them in & put down payment on one....they will go very fast...the storm mt is nothing ..to talk about..they just took the storm chassis & put mt tires on it...big deal!!..the mgt.. is one of the biggest piles of sh&t out...just look around on the boards & see the problems..there truck is a jk..& thats to bad because they have a great name...the savage is the best rtr on the market at this time(had 3 of these & would buy a nother but the lst..is going to be the sh&t)....as for the maxx..they need big $$$ even to take a good day of bashing..(had 6..maxx's...never again!!!)..as for the revo..i can see thing wrong with this truck..before it even out..no thanks....if you dont get a lst..i would go with the savage..over ever thing else out there..& for the cen.mt...well that will be a jk as well...i did see a tnx run today & it looked very good!!!...but there is nothing going to stop me from having a lst

[senvek]

If the T-Maxx is such junk, why did you ever get more than two? Seems to defy logic. One thing we need to be careful of when posting is to watch that we aren't making broad sweeping comments about how our choices are good, and other people's are "junk". I know many MGT owners who would argue with you on your opinion there. Richard saxton took the UMT class @ the 5th annual dirt nitro challenge...and he did it totally stock. It is so generic to say, "This truck sucks dirt" or "That truck is a piece of festering dung." How many MGT's do you own? Then let it go. If you have something nice or informative to say about the LST, let's hear it...perhaps even a little insight or opinion about the LST, but bashing other people's choices just ain't cool. The latest I have heard as far as a release is the third week of May, but much as has been standard fare for Losi and CEN this year, that is tentative. Hang in there Losi legions, the monster is on its way.

[tripplefatty]

please..the maxx is a jk..why did i have so many of them...because at the time thats all there...besides the monstre pirate...witch i also had a few of those...what i say is how i feel..& thats to bad if you or any one else dont like it...you can not take a stock maxx out of the box & put 5 tanks threw it without going back to your lhs to fix it...i run my trucks very hard to see what they are made of & the maxx is junk stock!!!!!!!....if you want to put big money into go for it...ben there done it...would not ever go that road again,,,,as for the mgt..i would never get one do to all the problems they have...just do a search & see what come up...more bad then good...& as for the gt winning at the dirt nitro challenge...richard saxton..could have won with a just about any mt...brian ..just won with the lst...big deal...i could not have done that ...you???...any truck can win if its in good hands... just because they win with these trucks..that dose not make it better then the next one...im just trying to help people out..with whats a good truck..thats all..i have had alot off truck & no what is worth the money...there are much better trucks out there then the maxx...as for the lst...more like the end of may ..or the first 2weeks of june.....may would be better..but time will tell
jamie...

[RCSavage]

lst release date was pushed back to mid to late June per Horizon.

[Monsterbrad]

I have a Menace a GS Storm truck and I did have the Savage but I got sick of tearing that thing down it was a pain to work on but it was tough.
The GS truck kicks butt its super strong and handles great.
CAn't wait to see how the LST here performs against all the competition.
As for The Redo and t-crap they are junk and have always been traxxas's engines suck thats all there is to it!
Later

[Figit090]

I can't read all of this thread but i'm interested in that 4 speed gearbox, with the manual shift hi/low or somthing?? can someone give me a link or cut and paste or explain what that is how it works, and/or what advantages it gives the truck??? I'm kinda blank on that... except maybe a gear for high speed running opposed to wheelies? please explain...thanx!! :D

[black sentra 04]

I think that the gearbox on the LST is just fine, but really what gets me is the Hi/Lo setting. Like the guy before me, he said he didn't know how you switched it from hi to low. Beats the poo out of me how you do it, but all I know is that I am going to sell my XXX-T for one of these bad boys! I mean, in a 13 pound truck, what's the hurt of one, two, or three more gears; except for the higher rotating mass, I think it's fine, won't hurt nothing. I've read this thread from start to finish, and all I see is either stuff for the truck or stuff against the truck, c'mon, this truck will outperform the T-Maxx, MGT, Savage, or whatever else you could think of, hopefully. I think Losi has done a good job on their engineering, and personally, I'm for the big blue boingers (shocks) I could care less how big they are, as long as they work. What do I know about the truck? Nothing really, except that it will beat my friend's Savage 25, plus I need to get into the nitro scene, and I think this is the way to go, but hey, whatever works. That's all for now...
Later, John.
P.S. If you're interested in a cheap XXX-T, just say so.....

[Figit090]

lol...well seeing that truck i doubt i'd get a stadium truck...and i'm sure if you thought this but i'm not dissin the losi, i think it's cool i just don't understand it...

It seems to me that there is a 2 speed tranny, but there is some sort of transfer case like in a full size truck where you can select low/high for high speed stuff and possibly crawling up stuff?? In a nitro truck like this anything to slow would be useless but i don't know...maybe extremely fast running?? somthing that would shift once it gets to top speed in low gearing, then you shift into a lower ratio that normally would make it bog off the line, but makes it extremely fast once it's already sped up? i dunno.....

[black sentra 04]

I didn't think that you were dissin' on the LST, it was just everything that everybody else said, comparing it to the MGT and T-Maxx, c'mon people, this truck is a new class pretty much. Maybe I can find some little rich kid who wants a XXX-T, and sell mine for 250 dollars...Well, yeah, now all they need for the truck is a front differential lock, rear differential lock, center differential lock, and all of them are independent, using each of them separately, that would be cool, don't you think...Blah blah blah, so, it's a nice truck, I give 'em that, I just need a top speed. (40-45 mph?) Yeah, that's all for now...
Later, John.

[senvek]

sorry if any of this is redundant: The current speed rating just says: over 40 mph, but if you look close at the speed gun on the Lsoi site, it reads 44mph with the LST planted on asphalt. Sorry, that's the best I could do. As far as the tranny...simply put: Losi ain't talkin'. It will likely remain a mystery until it is released. I have to agree with you guys...this looks like the truck to beat on a track. I think on some ugly terrain, the Genesis could give it a run for its money, but on a track...hands down winner.

[RCSavage]

The HI/LOW selector is a knob on the transmission. In high gear it is a 2 speed truck that hits into the 40mph range. When you turn the knob on the tranny to low gear, it engages a 4 to 1 speed reduction gear that only allows the truck to hit 10 to 11 mph in 2nd gear. The low range is for rock crawling and such.

[Monsterbrad]

I can't wait for this truck to come out.
I want one
the size is the most impressive thing
18" wide thats awesome.
I just hope it can hang with the savage as far as durability.

[Figit090]

rock crawling?? wouldn't that be better for a solid axle truck?? or does this have lotsa articulation?? I also thought you switch it from the transmitter... maybe that was a different truck but i read in RCCA that "they haven't told us what the 4th sevo does" and it wasn't a second steering servo...

[RCSavage]

The truck has 2 steering servos, one throttle servo, and one reverse servo. The 4 to 1 ratio is a knob on the tranny. I spoke with Rich Trujillo (team losi race team manager) at length when he was at the Mini T Nationals in April.

[tripplefatty]

i had there mach.15 in a xxx-nt sport kit i got when they first came.The motor was very strong & the handled awesome..as all losi products do.But after about a gallon of fuel the motor gave me all kinds of problems..& i have had me share of motors..so when in seen the lst truck was coming with the mach .26...i took a step back.Dont get me wrong i no they did some motor mods to the crank & the conecting rod.Dose any one no what the bhp is & the maxx rpm's is on this motor
thanks jamie..
p.s is this motor thats in the lst???looks alot like it??
http://www.discounthobbies4u.com/catalog/dynamite_xtm_mach__26_2531598.htm

[winning edge designs]

The hard part about this gas racing stuff is one overheat and engine problems are on the way.....I've raced gas for about 10-11 years, but i've still hurt an engine here and there. My WS7II went after less then a gallon, but an air filter off from a bad monster jump attempt will do that. Just as one 310 degree run might have negative effects.......I've heard of some people getting 6 gallons on a mach .15, but that was without incident for an entire season.....I remember those days....:), Jim

[senvek]

The website and RCCA article were very clear that one servo was for throttle, two for steering, but neither Losi nor RCCA have illuminated the purpose of the remaining servo. there has been some speculation that the LST may have 4ws capabilities, but that is sheer speculation. In the past, 4ws has been well suited for crawling, and bashing (and should be an excellent feature for trucks like the Genesis), but 4ws has rarely been effective in racing. I had a TXT which i configured for 4ws, and used a four channel radio so that I could use them independently. It was kick butt, and it looked wild when you ran the truck so that it was driving almost sideways...very cool, but difficult to manage at speeds above say 5 mph. Sorry, got a little off topic. Anyway, it may be an option, but it would be unlikely Losi would ever use 4ws as a stock item, it would have to be aftermarket if that were the case. Just my opinion...subject to error and general humiliation.

[black sentra 04]

Yeah, I think the power of the Mach .26 is 2.75 horsepower, the peak rpm is probably in the 36,500-40,000. Other than that, I pretty much clueless on how the thing is gonna' work, except for the fact that the engine's supposed to be really high quality...
...Later, John.

[tripplefatty]

the dynamite xtm mach.26..that is in my last post...bhp 2.75...rpm's 30,000
I no losi did some work inside the motor...looks alot like the motor in lst
jamie...

[RCSavage]

The website and RCCA article were very clear that one servo was for throttle, two for steering, but neither Losi nor RCCA have illuminated the purpose of the remaining servo. there has been some speculation that the LST may have 4ws capabilities, but that is sheer speculation. In the past, 4ws has been well suited for crawling, and bashing (and should be an excellent feature for trucks like the Genesis), but 4ws has rarely been effective in racing. I had a TXT which i configured for 4ws, and used a four channel radio so that I could use them independently. It was kick butt, and it looked wild when you ran the truck so that it was driving almost sideways...very cool, but difficult to manage at speeds above say 5 mph. Sorry, got a little off topic. Anyway, it may be an option, but it would be unlikely Losi would ever use 4ws as a stock item, it would have to be aftermarket if that were the case. Just my opinion...subject to error and general humiliation.


The 4th servo IS for reverse!!! It is a sure thing, straight from the Losi People. Even the Losi video has it backing up over a jump.

The Engine is the Dynamite .26 both Losi and Dynamite are owned be Horizon Hobby.

[Modest Mouse]

Well, I have to give it to you guys; it took you people so long to figure out what the fourth servo was for. But, hey, before I saw the LST I thought it was just another T-Maxx remake, guess what? I was wrong, as usual. (I'm always wrong about stuff) That's all I got to say, so long people...
...John. :D

[senvek]

Thanks RCSavage. I know the third servo is for the reverse, but I should have been more specific about my misunderstanding; Look in the April Issue of RCCA on page 76. In the far left hand picture, at the top of the upside down chassis shot. You will notice a hole in the chassis just to the right of the centerline, between the rear shocks that appears to be a vacancy for another servo. This is my area of question. What is that for? It is almost in the right place for 4ws set up, but 4ws is very "un-Losi". Any ideas, or am I missing something obvious? (I am pretty proficient at that)

[Modest Mouse]

In my opinion it looks too small to be a space for a servo, and I don't think that Losi would use a micro-sized servo for steering this thing...
...John. :D

[Monsterbrad]

Yeah seeing how it is 18 in wide.
Its going to be interesting to see how this truck and the Redo compare!

[Figit090]

I wonder if that genisis is going to be able to keep up?? or beat this and the REVO?

[senvek]

First of all, IMO, the Genesis is a totally different breed of truck, and comparing it to a MT-Truggy like the LST is like comparing oranges to tangerines (same family, but slightly different breeds). The Genesis looks more like a basher with some race potential. In the right hands and some mods, it could be a good racer, but out of the box it may need a little work. Comparing the Genesis to the Revo is just crazy talk. Genesis: 1/8 Revo: 1/10. But if a comparison is what you would like, I can offer you this little bit of info we hashed on the Gen thread: The Revo produces 1.33bHp on a 150.4 oz vehicle. That yields a .0088bHp/oz. The Genesis on the other hand produces 5Hp (roughly the same as 5"bHp", just a variation on the method of measure, but I could go on for awhile about methods of measuring power output) for a 272 oz. vehicle. The calculations would come to .018bHp/oz. So, in common terms, the Genesis has almost twice the power to weight ratio, despite its size. If you are bashing or tackling extreme terrain, the Genesis definitely the way to go. If ripping around on a tight well groomed track: Go Revo. If you want the best of both worlds, you're on the right thread. LST!

[losifreak2004]

The extra "servo space" is indeed for optional 4-wheel steering.

[Breakin2]

So, when's this thing coming out anyway?

[losifreak2004]

Last I heard, the LST and MF2 were on schedule to be released around very late May to early June.

[Breakin2]

I had pre-ordered one a while ago. I just called my hobby shop and they said it should be in within the next two weeks. It was supposed to be out earlier, but the box was too big to fit as many as they had wanted to put on each pallete. Kind of weird, but hey, as long as I get it in the early summer, I'm a happy camper.

[tripplefatty]

the sooner the better...Im almost pushed to buy a nother truck...but i no it would be the wrong thing to do
jamie..

[twisted]

i hope you get it soon, this way i can show you the fast way with the tnx!

[GramdeGixxer]

It should bw well worth the wait.

[carguy_no1]

The LST is currently set to ship out this coming Monday. I have the first one to come through my hobby shop door. I can't wait. It is going to be SICK!!!!!!!!!

[jh99]

Does everyone think that the LST will keep up with the REVO at the track?

[carguy_no1]

I tend to think that the performance of the LST will exceed that of the Revo. The size of the LST does have the potential to hinder it's performance, however it could also result in a more stable, predictable truck on the track. There is no doubt that it will have a great deal more torque then the Revo, which will translate to more power out of the corners. If the price of the two is any hint of what the end product is, then the LST will be the winner. (Of course I am quite bias toward the LST. I have had numerous Traxxas products in the past and was quite disapointed in them.)

[winning edge designs]

As far as a comparison between the LST and Revo, I don't see a valid one, since cantilever shocks are usually not very durable, tend to need more maintenance and are unusually overworked by large monster truck tires...........I think as usual in the right hands it won't matter, but for those who race 3 or 4 weekends without rebiulding thier shocks, etc, the LST wins hands down!.........Besides, does anyone like the traxxas radios? Once replaced thier won't be much if any price difference, just add the value of a computerized, synthesized radio set to the Traxxas.....I have an LST on order myself(easy choice).....:), Jim

[jh99]

I think I am about sold on the LST. I just have another question. Is the engine reliable and easy to tune?