Brushless stampede price?

[potatoe_bird]

I want to get a BL epede for when I don't want to deal with my nitros or don't want to wake up half of the neighborhood. lol What's a good BL setup for the epede? How much is it?

[glassdoctor]

I assume you were not thinking Novak since you asked here... but if you just want a nice mod-power setup, it a good deal @ $230 for the combo. Run it on 7 cells and it's pretty fast in a 1/10 scale.

Otherwise you (more powerful) have choices like

Lehner Basic4200 $150
Hacker C40s $170
Kontronik Twists $170



esc:
Schulze 18.61 $225
Kontronik Jazz $200+-

There's a bunch more.... but most will cost @$350-400 and up right now.

[GA Maxx]

I'd say Novak, they are great for the pede

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

how does the twist stack up agains tthe lehner basic4200?

this website has it for 140usd
http://www.icare-rc.com/kontronik.htm

[Mr. Constructor]

Almost the same or even better, the design is much more race oriented, so the cooling sink and the more balanced winding will but it on top, esp. the weight, it´s a few gr lighter than the basic series !!
(i will have a Twist 58 tested in a 2wd offroad, n during the next few weeks, the system is on order)

The real power depends from the gearing, voltage, weight of motor battery car, and esc !!, and rpm/V reading off course, but is the reading is equal, the twist will be slightly better, the size and the cooling are the factors to deal with !!
(if you can get it for 140 USD, be glad, in germany they´re around 135 Euro !!! so it´s cheap, take it !!)

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

well That ICare place is one hour from where i live. They list "Twist-28/-33/-37/-42/-47/-55" for 132...
that IS the motor, right?

[Mr. Constructor]

Yes, absolutely right, these are the Twist Motors, the 58 might be the one for you, it has around 5800 RPM/V, wich seems to be very good for a 10th car with 6 cells (or 2 lipos) !!
(i will have it (the Twist58 ) tested either, but my system wasn´t delivered yet :-(( )

[OptimaMan]

Mr. Contstructor: Do you know the difference between the twist motors vs. Hacker C40 s motors? They look very similar in design and size. What is the diameter of the rotor?

-OptimaMan

[Mr. Constructor]

The Diameter is in both cases 35,8 mm, the lenght is for the C40 S : 53mm, the Twist is around 51mm (51.3mm exactly), but the Rotor is slightly bigger than in a C40, only 0.9 mm (as they told me) but this will not be that big difference.
The difference comes in handy as you look at the longeer C 40 L versions, the torque of these is def. higher, but otherwise they´re comparable, unless you need some very special winding with a special rpm/V reading, but i think the 47 or the 55 might be enough in a small 10th car (or even in all offroad 10th it should be enough !!)

So the price and avaliability is the major factor, the canadians do carry these motors, www.icare-rc.com they should also have the 47 or 55 version at a low 132 Dollar price, wich seems to be very good in my eyes, i don´t know the street prices in the US but i think the hacker´s are more money !!

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

so twist 55 should be good for cars like xxx-4 and/or b4?

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

Where are you mr cunstructor!

It looks like Icare can not get Twist 58?

[Mr. Constructor]

Yes this Motor is ideal for such applications, mine has arrived yesterday, i will pick it up today at my Dealer, i will post pics as fast as i can, the 55-6-18 is also there, i´m located at Hamburg Germany, so the delivery isn´t a big Problem at all, if you cannot get anything near you, we will manage that !!
(i´m really looking forward on this set, as it is the first car set that is specially car made AND has a special Car Motor with the power AND a lipo mode too !!!)

I will post pics asap !!

greetings from Hamburg

[Mr. Constructor]

Here are the first pics !!
(the motor is compared to a Tamiya Acto power (the one that´s included in th e re-released Dyna Storm)

its very similar in size than a 540, but 1mm shorter and around 1.5 mm shorter in diameter !! (power is around 600 W peak, more than enough for a small 10th car !!)

[Mr. Constructor]

Here´s another view of it, as the back is a fully sealed one, really a good feature !!
(the wires are really thick 3qmm (or 12 awg ) wires, wich should handle all the power you might throw at it)

the endbell is NOT an openable form, but that doesn´t matter as only the front ball bearing is "in the dirt" (normally a tranny cover or a closed tranny will protect it, so it´s not necessary to built a protection here)
and the mounting holes are 16mm 19mm and the 25mm (from every 540 motor) are still there, so you´ll find many opportunitys to mount this great motor, the shaft is standart 1/8" (3,17mm) and sticks around 12mm out of the Motor, so even in small tranny there should be no problems.

But the esc IS really a REAL benefit this small one is the best one i´ve tested so far (and i did all the major firms during various car constructions) YEEESSSS, that thing might be perfect for almost ANY 10th car, due to the size, power AND the Li po mode for the upgrowing lipo people, they get a perfect shut down save feature, these cells will never be damaged due to to discharging anymore AND that in a Car esc !!! (it ´s the first manufacturer that brings these features together, but i will post pics in comparison of the warrior 7018 BEC then you might see what i mean !!)

First the Motor Pic:

[Mr. Constructor]

but now for the esc, it´s size is really smaller than the warrior, delivering 55 A (65-70 short time around 20-30 sec.) the same power ( alittle more: 80A cont. 90 peak)is the 80-6-18, but the size is almsot the same, only a little thicker due to the second circuit board !! (the 55A version is only 6mm at the highest point, the 80 should be around 9-10mm (even this will be awesome))

So this esc should really fit into EVERY 10th car, even a small chassis design as the losi xxx4 (it really isn´t that roomy in there !!)

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

w00t!
that's awesome

Can you take a picture of the jazz controller beside a normal speedcontroler or a normal sized motor for size reference?

Thanks...

Looks like I will be getting a twist 55 motor in the future!

[Mr. Constructor]

Yes, here is a small comparison to various normally used parts !!
(should be Ok in size or not??) ;-)

[glassdoctor]

Looks awesome.. thanks for the pics. The Jazz is smaller than I expected.

You think the Jazz 55 would hold up well with a B50s on 22.2v lipos? The amps at this high voltage is within specs, but will is be OK in real world testing?

It seems that many controllers cannot really handle what they are rated for. For example, there is no reason a 18.97 should have trouble with a basic or b50,... even the L or XL... but it seems they thermal way too much even with proper gearing etc.

I don't know whether to try a Jazz or just wait for Castles new esc. For right now, the Schulze seem way too expensive when a $180 do it all esc is just around the corner...

[Mr. Constructor]

As far as my tests go, this esc could be used in 22.2 V lipo, but the Motor really is close to the RPM limit there, a B 50S will draw more amp than a L due to the lower torque when geared right, so the bigger motor with 22,2 V lipo might work well in even a 8th car !!!
(the 55-6-18 is temp. and too much amp protected, it will go slowly down after reaching over 65 A of cont. current, and will shut down after over 110°, so you´re relatively safe !!

Tell me the exact details you´re planning on !! (car, esc, motor, battery, tuning parts or extra weight etc. radio, servo then i might see clearly if it is functioning or not, in this case (my 18 cells run perfect with these esc on a HB 30-15 (big 1,5 KW Motor for 5th,but on bench testing, as the car isn´t finished yet) but testing was very good and everything stays cool !!

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

Hey...
Just double checking.

Is your twist motor 55 or 58?

And thank you for the picture!

It is skinny but long!
It would have been cool if the made it into a more cubic form, but i won't complain! :)

[Mr. Constructor]

The Motor is the Twist 55, it therefore has 5500 Rpm/V, but that should be enough for a light 2wd offroad !!
(this motor is available as a special "Vyper" version with stronger Magnets and around 5600 Rpm /V, so this one might be even better, but this one isn´t available over kontronik, it´s only available from a german re-seller directly !!)

If you wanna have it more cubic: try these ones: www.torcman.de (english version is also there )

they do have LRK´s only, so the working esc´s are Schulze, Hacker, Kontronik, LMT ones might NOT function that good, but these motors have 5 times (the 10 pole) or even 7 times (the 14 pole) the torque than a 2 pole BL Motor, but only 5th or 7th the rpm, but anyway one drivetrain undergearing might be obsolete !!

(take my Titanium Kanai 3, the car runs on this concept and my MAXX too (my should be on that page too !!))