Team Associated Monster GT V2.0 [Archive] - Page 10

Saboteur

05-24-2005, 11:52 AM

I mean honestly for the price I got it for it wouldn't be fair to sell it for more and I just want to get rid of it. Last time it fell off the stand in the middle off the night scaring both me and my pet rabbit. Large MT+falling on shelf+tile floor=LOUD NOISE! :eek: I just left it on the floor. It pretty much can't run and is basically a spare parts truck. I have no use for it so might as well sell it. :( The Picco .26 is in the buggy, but eh it's nothing special. I'll think about buying a new MGT later on.

slaf

05-24-2005, 01:02 PM

Saboteur

05-24-2005, 03:46 PM

When today? I got the other old ones and replied. Hold on.

slaf

05-24-2005, 03:56 PM

When today? I got the other old ones and replied. Hold on.

Yes today and one yesterday...

badboy2

05-25-2005, 03:06 AM

im tryinto put a wasp26 on my mgt and the linkgae is too short ...is there a linkage made for mgt to u se different engines?or u just customized ur linkages?

slaf

05-25-2005, 06:41 AM

im tryinto put a wasp26 on my mgt and the linkgae is too short ...is there a linkage made for mgt to u se different engines?or u just customized ur linkages?

I bought throttle linkage made for airplane servo. It's one end threaded. I think it's 5-50 size but I'm really not sure. It was .50$ !

badboy2

05-25-2005, 11:17 AM

thanks man

Saboteur

05-25-2005, 02:11 PM

Slaf-Got the pM about an hr later. Sent replies to both, but I used Gmail.

slaf

05-25-2005, 02:23 PM

Slaf-Got the pM about an hr later. Sent replies to both, but I used Gmail.

I already replied !

Chevy-SS

05-25-2005, 09:46 PM

im tryinto put a wasp26 on my mgt and the linkgae is too short ...is there a linkage made for mgt to u se different engines?or u just customized ur linkages?

A rod size that works fine is 2-56. Here's a link to Tower:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXD867&P=ML

slaf

05-25-2005, 11:09 PM

OOpps Chevy is right on the rod size....

slaf

05-26-2005, 11:14 AM

Coth -> Any new vids for us ???

Does anybody have new pics of their truck ????

It's too quiet here !!!!

Saboteur

05-26-2005, 12:03 PM

Hey Slaf YGM. Send my your addy again please. Gonna do another calculation. :)

Cotharyus

05-26-2005, 04:38 PM

badboy2

05-27-2005, 01:13 AM

i got the linkage problem solved thanx guys ..anyway is there a different header i can get aside from the old side pipe header that they sell ?it wont fit the couplers for 21engines

slaf

05-27-2005, 08:32 AM

Slaf - no new videos yet. Maybe next race I'll get the video cammera back out. There are some new pictures up:

http://maxxtrack.homeip.net/pictures/

I think in the background of some of those pictures you can see my truck with the Super King Pin tires on it.

Thanks for the link Coth !

How does perform your MGT with those tires ?

I went to the parking lot track yesterday, just to see guys running their cars....That seems so exciting and something totaly different of off-road... I think I gonna buy a NTC3...

badboy2

05-27-2005, 10:53 AM

slaf u have that need for speed heheh...get the cen car i heard its good

slaf

05-27-2005, 10:55 AM

slaf u have that need for speed heheh...get the cen car i heard its good

Oh no...Not the Cen cars....

I'm a AE die hard fan...:) Plus I have direct connection with AE distribution...

Saboteur

05-27-2005, 03:22 PM

8th onroad gear has been purchased. ;)
http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?p=1771668#post1771668

Cotharyus

05-27-2005, 03:43 PM

Slaf - The truck's attitude in rough parts of the track is unbeatable with those tires. I'm actually faster in the whoops than most of the Revo's that run at my track. Straight line handling is predictable and stable, turns of course can seem a little top heavy compared to bow ties because of the larger size, but the truck is still capable of being quick through the turns. Over all, I like them better than bow ties, but they are certainly not going to be the ticket for everyone, and likely will not work on hard pack tracks.

4DMNYC

05-27-2005, 08:17 PM

figured I'd post some pics of the MGT with some new parts

4DMNYC

05-27-2005, 08:18 PM

RPM arms fresh from the dye

4DMNYC

05-27-2005, 08:19 PM

one more

4DMNYC

05-27-2005, 08:22 PM

oh ok, one more :D ...the shizocks

Saboteur

05-27-2005, 11:02 PM

Awesome man!

Monsterbrad

05-29-2005, 02:39 AM

I have had the Mach in mine for a while now and the gearing with the SUT tires and wheels is just too much low end!
Got a 17 tooth pinion today hope that will give it a more balanced feeling!
The mach makes great power though!
Also my stock throttle servo is toast have to change that later today!
:D

kurrz

05-29-2005, 09:29 AM

Does it have top end? And make good power throughout the revs.? Thanks

Monsterbrad

05-29-2005, 12:18 PM

Nope the Mach revs out to quick with the stock gearing!
I just put the 17 tooth on I am going to go try it here in a bit waiting for batteries to charge!

Monsterbrad

05-30-2005, 01:01 AM

ebay time for this truck also!
anybody interested just let me know!
I am selling it with the Mach and the radio!
I have the JR xr3i reciever and all with servo's RTR.
Comes with the stock body and some other spare parts like new bumpers and a few other things!

astainback

05-30-2005, 09:09 AM

Chevy-SS

05-30-2005, 07:50 PM

One of the tricks to getting maximum steering from your Monter GT is to grind some relief into the front knuckles. You only need to do it on one side of each knuckle, as shown in the first pic.

After you grind the knuckles, if you do the "steering tune-up" located on this page:
http://www.members.cox.net/dbfraser2/mgt/maxsteering.htm
you will have some vastly improved steering. Of course, now you will need a good steering servo!!

Please forgive all the typos in the pics...............

http://www.members.cox.net/dbfraser2/mgt/Modifiedknuckle.jpg

http://www.members.cox.net/dbfraser2/mgt/sidemodknuckle.jpg

http://www.members.cox.net/dbfraser2/mgt/modknucklerotated.jpg

http://www.members.cox.net/dbfraser2/mgt/a-armcontact.jpg

Cotharyus

05-31-2005, 08:01 AM

Chevy - Nice. I've wondered about that more than once.

Saboteur

05-31-2005, 09:41 AM

Nice work man. :)

Monsterbrad

05-31-2005, 06:20 PM

YES my truck is for sale
RTR
with the JR xs radio!
Mach 26 and roto start
asking $375.00
If anybody is interested call me
814-450-6973
or email me
ExExCR@aol.com

Cotharyus

06-01-2005, 03:51 PM

I finished up some steering mods on my truck this morning. Before, I was maxxing out the travel on the steering with the endpoints on my steering set at 80%. I now have my endpoints set at 120% (yes, my guitar amp *does* go up to 12!) and I have a sneaking feeling that the next time a Revo driver tries to turn inside me at the track, he's going to find a *lot* less room between my big 'ol wide truck, and the *pipe*. :)

Saboteur

06-01-2005, 05:41 PM

Coth-Great mods dude. You seem like me always experimenting and doing mods for the car, except you do things for the MGT, while I do things for the R40. My bro in law's friend has an MGT and wants to sell. If I can get it for a good price I'll buy it and sell the 8th buggy. Honestly I shoulda left the MGT alone and just tossed in the Picco .26. It's just that the pressure of everyone making the FOC seem like a dream cometrue urged me to buy it. Atleast I found out the deep, dark secret of the red threadlock. Cursed evil human invention!! :mad:

Monsterbrad

06-01-2005, 06:02 PM

Sab buy my truck!
I'll make ya a good deal ready to go with a great radio too!!

Saboteur

06-01-2005, 06:07 PM

I'm buying the XS3 tomorrow or friday. Also, this truck is claimed to have some upgrades on it as well as nice sporty .21 or .26 engine. :) He said somewhere around $340+ or so. The Futaba 3PDFX will bein the R40, Jr XS3 in the Mugen MRX4 and the MGT will get whatever radio it comes with or I'll use the stock.

Monsterbrad

06-01-2005, 07:26 PM

Mine has a Mach in it with the Mach pipe!
Still have the stock body but no tires or wheels are included in the deal.
I am looking to get 350 out of it rtr
with the XS radio and receiver and 645 servo and a HPI throttle servo.
Oh well I hope to sell it at the track this weekend if not I will sell it on ebay I hope.

astainback

06-02-2005, 01:49 AM

Has anyone ever lost the 2 screws under the Rx box for the steering cranks??

I did... I just ordered a new pack of them from stormer.

I bought the FOC, and I am still debating it....

so far I like the xs3 pro a lot, but I can't really tell if I am getting full travel out of the steering due to the loss of the screws. I am still working on setting up all the features on the radio. I don't get to spend any time at home during the week.

adrian

astainback

06-02-2005, 01:55 AM

Anyone got any pics of their "modified" trucks?? I want to see some of them.
Also, I am looking at beefing up the durability of the truck, not trying to save weight. I have nowhere to race it at this time.
My list of "upgrades" if you can call them that are :

Losi Zombie Maxx tires
RS310 Rx for JRXs3 radio
Red and Gold springs
i think that is it. I have replaced the rollbar due to bending it (i already bent the new one as well)
I am thinking about doing something for the shocks.. but the stockers are working fine right now. I did order some new alum. skids because I dented in the front one somehow. I forgot to add to the list that I bought the FOC too.

adrian

metalry101

06-02-2005, 02:48 AM

Dude...it's a standard 3mm screw? You don't have any laying around? I've got a ton...

Oh...and threadlock them in or they'll just rattle right out again.

Mods to my truck so far are...
FOC
Fantom single chamber pipe
FT header
Crowd Pleazer 2.0 body
Super King Pins on HPI 6 spoke wheels
Hardcore Racing aluminum rear shock tower
Pro-Line Powerstroke shocks
Extra heavy springs, front and rear
Hitec 5645 steering servo
Hitec 5625 throttle/brake servo
Futaba 3PM radio
Reedy 1100 mah Rx pack
FT steering
Removed rollbar and front bumper inserts
Zipties instead of screws on front and rear bumper/skidplate

Probably other stuff that I can't remember right now. Soon to have Lunsford Ti Pin Kit. I also run some LST tires on RPM wide offset Titan rims for bashing action. That's all I can think of atm.

Cotharyus

06-02-2005, 07:39 AM

Hmm. Pics of my truck. I'll tell you what. I'll see if I can get some and post them somewhere.

Cotharyus

06-02-2005, 09:50 AM

badboy2

06-02-2005, 10:25 AM

cothyrus what shox are u using?i want to get new shox for mine and im torn between proline powerstrokes and bigbore shox fro tmaxx what would be the difference between the 2 ?

slaf

06-02-2005, 10:47 AM

You asked for it:

http://wilderness.homeip.net/cotharyus/pictures/thumbnails.php?album=1

Feel free to leave comments, either register so I know who you are though, or include your name in the comment.

Nice truck Coth ! You did a very good job to make this MGT lighter. I think you forgot to cut plastic mud guard under the tuned pipe, you'll save few grams.

MikeWz

06-02-2005, 02:51 PM

Coth - Truck looks pretty nice. I like the idea of drilling the rx/battery box. Why not snag a stick pack, or a LiPo square pack and mount under the right mud guard, just ahead of the fuel tank? Lower CG and and you save weight. You can cut off the battery box.
Also, you should cut around the pipe, as slaf said. Then, not only will you save some more weight, you can mount the pipe a little lower and lower the CG some more. You can cut under that bulge in the fuel tank, cut the legs and mount the tank lower. It's not a whole lot lower, but it's lower...and less weight :D

Was out at the track yesterday. Was the first time everything on the truck was working the way it's supposed to, and only the 3rd time to the track with this truck (used to racing STs....it's a bit different). Running a one shock set-up, was almost 2hrs worth of lap time and not a single blown cap, with the stock plastic ones on there. Truck runs really good, and hooks up awesome. With a lightly ported motor it really jumps off the line too, which on this track set-up is key. It's a really tight track and it's hard to pass because the trucks are so wide, and the track is narrow. Will post some pictures of the track tomorrow, and the truck later today.

slaf

06-02-2005, 03:49 PM

Glad you have good times at the track :)

I don't have time to run my MGT for 2 weeks now :( I'm building my own track at it takes alot of time + it rained for the last 3 weeks and we didn't have time to plant flowers and all thoses little things that make my wife so happy :)

I only went to the on-road track and ran my RC10GT and my 18T and I'm thinking about racing my 18T on-road or get a TC4 electric. I fall in love with electric and on-road :)

Cotharyus

06-02-2005, 03:52 PM

badboy - I've got some stock shocks, and some Factory Team shocks. The FT's feel a little smoother, but for what it's worth, the biggest advantage is the caps don't come off.

Slaf - thanks. I haven't cut the underside of the mudguards yet because I don't want to allow too much of the loose dirt/dust on our track to come up into the truck through the bottom there.

Mike - Same thing as Slaf. I've looked at all that you mentioned, but for the battery, some of the places I've run stuff could hit the pack - not good. The lower fuel tank - good idea, but again, requires cutting the mud guards. The big thing with the dirt at the track is that it's so fine that the less of it I get on/around the engine, the better..for bearings, etc.

Chevy-SS

06-02-2005, 05:17 PM

Powerstroked MGT makes huge triple

Went to a local track last night. Seven MT racers. Three had LST's, none of them made the main, all broke.

One guy had new TNX Pro version. The thing is sweet, .18 with plenty of power, Proline shocks, Bowties. Weighs about 9 pounds (or less). Anyway, the guy is a great driver, sponsored by more than one company. He was wowing the crowd with the TNX. He was making a huge triple that not even a buggy could make. Well, a buggy could make it, but only if hit the downslope of last jump perfectly, otherwise buggy would flatpan and flip. The TNX Pro could overshoot a little and still make it.

So, after the pro gets done, I warm up my MGT and rip around a little. I switched to 30% fuel, plus I went back to my super-light clutch shoes, so I got some real good low-end punch. Also, I'm using Powerstrokes, 50w in the bypass and 30w in the coilovers, gray and yellow springs. Suspension is still soft, but soaks up bumps good.

Anyway, I lined up on the huge triple and stabbed the throttle. My MGT took off and made it no sweat, on the first attempt.

In the main, I took second to the TNX, but not by much. It was a great night of local racing.

MikeWz

06-02-2005, 06:11 PM

Chevy - That's sick. Show those TNX guys how it's done :cool: . Some people talk about in on this bored like it's the second coming of Christ or something. I've seen them and they remind me of the T-maxx, honestly. And I hear they have a tendancy to break CVDs. I'm sure they're great trucks, but I can't see them being 10x better than the other trucks like those guys make it seem.

Coth - I had the same worries when I first did mine. My track is a hardpack base, with a loamy coating. It's real loose on the top, and there's a fair amount of it an lots spots where it tends to build up. Honestly though, I haven't found anymore dirt in my truck. Don't cut the holes any bigger than they need to be. I cut just slightly larger than the diameter of the pipe, and just slighly bigger than the area of that bottom "nub" on the fuel tank. Also, turn your airfilter to have the plastic part face forward. If any of that sand did manage to come up, it'd more than likely hit that anyway. I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Here are some pictures of my truck since all the weight mods have been done, and my new racing body too (which is actually a "chrome copper" rather than the orange it appears.:
http://photobucket.com/albums/y60/MikeWz/Monster%20GT/

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/MikeWz/Monster%20GT/DSCF0250.jpg

astainback

06-03-2005, 01:05 AM

I forgot to add to my list that I too have the fantom pipe.. mine is the single chamber though...
The one FT and one stock shock was interesting.. and the shock tower/body post mod was nice.
I don't understand the zip ties on the bumpers though.. and what is the reason behind using a rear bumper on the front??
My skids are all scratched up too.. except the front one has a dent in it. I have a new set on the way.. so I should have that worked out soon.

thanks for posting the pics. I will go back soon and vote/comment.

thanks,
adrian

any more pics?? I will get some of mine soon.. I want an action shot of mine!!

adrian

metalry101

06-03-2005, 02:22 AM

Sweet paint job MikeWz. I really really like the color combination. That gives me some ideas...

As for the TNX...ya, it's similiar to a Maxx in a lot of ways. So are our MGT's. The TNX may be a little more similiar...but it's much better done overall...and honestly, I think it's an incredible truck. It's my next monster for sure.

Cotharyus

06-03-2005, 07:57 AM

astainback - the zipties are there because the screws that hold the rear brace to the rear bumper are one of the first things I broke - the zip ties hold up better than the screws ever did, and those screws weren't available at the time. The zip ties have since become one of the "trademark looks" of my truck - people see them and know it's me. So I just can't bring myself to replace the brace (which has parts of the screws still broken off in it) and make it "look right". The rear bumper is a little (think 1/10 oz) lighter cut down like that than the front bumper would be - and I also had an extra rear bumper, and I didn't have an extra front. :)

slaf

06-03-2005, 09:21 AM

Coth -> Can I post your MGT's pictures on my web site ???

4DMNYC

06-03-2005, 09:24 AM

The zip ties have since become one of the "trademark looks" of my truck - people see them and know it's me. :)

I can relate :p

I have a question....Ive been inquiring around about putting a new engine in my MGT, I was looking at the Picco26 but I'm seeing alot of people really like the Mach 26 but have'nt elaborated on how easy it is to install. Would I need a new engine mount, fly wheel, collet, clutch nut ect...?

badboy2

06-03-2005, 09:55 AM

i installed mach26 on mine and i even used the stock carb no mods needed ..when i put my wasp26 i needed a longer linkage for the throttle/brakes

MikeWz

06-03-2005, 02:08 PM

You may need to dremel the motor mount a little, but that would be it....if you even need to do that. The Mach would be a great choice considering how cheap you can snag them on Ebay

Chevy - How are you liking those Powerstroke shocks? If I got them I think I'd keep them at Maxx length (rather than installing the MGT hardware) to keep the ride height down a bit. Any blown caps (if they're plastic)

Cotharyus

06-03-2005, 02:45 PM

Salf - sure. Feel free to post them on your website.

Chevy - I'm curious about the powerstrokes as well. How are they through rough sections of track, and how do they do off big jumps? Thanks for the info.

slaf

06-03-2005, 03:08 PM

Coth -> Youcan see your MGT here -> http://pages.globetrotter.net/rc10gt/pictures_anglais.htm

If you have few more pictures and description I will add them...:)

Thanks !

Chevy-SS

06-04-2005, 08:51 AM

http://www.members.cox.net/dbfraser2/mgt/shocks.jpg

Powerstrokes appear to be same length as stock shocks. The Powerstrokes are MUCH more adjustable. You can really tailor them to a particular condition or preference.

The thing I like is that you can increase the oil weight in the bypass shock with minimal negative impact on rough-surface handling. The bypass shock has less damping at full extension, so it still allows the truck to absorb a bumpy surface. The damping progresses as the shock nears full compression, so it helps absorb jumps.

The only downside is that these shocks add about 5oz. Otherwise, I love them.

I bought these shocks off eBay. I got two sets at $75/set. One set is just for spare parts.

MikeWz

06-04-2005, 01:54 PM

How adjustable is ride height? Is it still possible to throw in some pistons or O-rings to lower the ride height?
Also, how wide are your front Turnbuckles set? I want to get 0 toe, and they can both be the same length, but that doesn't mean there'll be 0 toe

Nitro41

06-04-2005, 03:04 PM

does the MGT have adjustible diffs? as in, can you tighten them up like a full locker, or loosen it like an open diff? my cousins GT just doesnt move much when he hits the gas. i see the spur and tranny spinning, so i narrowed it down to the diffs. its like they are really loose and very little power is going to the wheels.

Chevy-SS

06-04-2005, 03:46 PM

[QUOTE=Nitro41]does the MGT have adjustible diffs? as in, can you tighten them up like a full locker, or loosen it like an open diff? .........QUOTE]

The MGT diffs are very tuneable, using fluids. You can lock the diffs, with silly putty or something similar. Or you can just use very heavy diff lube, for almost locker diffs.

Conversely, you could use just a little bit of lithium grease and pretty much have no diff resistance at all.

MikeWz

06-04-2005, 06:10 PM

Don't narrow it to the diffs just yet. Flip the truck over and make sure all the pins are in. There needs to be pins in all the drive cups,the 2 on the tranny and 3 on each diff). That's what happened to me when I thought I blew my diff, just one of the pins that went into the front diff's center drive cup

Cotharyus

06-05-2005, 08:33 AM

Chevy - thanks for the rundown on the power strokes. My question is kind of like Mike's. When you get a bones level ride height, how much travel do you have left, and do you still get fairly gentle damping out of it?

Everyone - the RG is dead. In the MT forum, under the post "Engines: No longer an option" you can see why. And what I'm asking. Lend a hand.

I'll tell yall that before the A main (which I qualified second for) I won two of my qualifiers and posted a close second in one. Terry (my Arch Rival revo driver) didn't beat me all day.

Monsterbrad

06-06-2005, 05:52 PM

Come on guys one of you has to know someone who wants my truck.
It's rtr with the the following!
Xr3i radio
Hitec 645 steering servo
stock other servos
I installed the Mach 26 with the stock LST pipe.
Comes with the stock body thats still in ok shape and needs new bumpers which I will sell with it that are brand new.
Also comes with extra hub carriers that are complete with bearings and everything.
The truck just needs wheels and tires to be ready to rip.
I really don't want to ebay the truck when all you guys are running these things.

Cotharyus

06-06-2005, 08:36 PM

Well, I was working on getting around to buying a spare truck, until my engine went south...I can't help you. Honestly, I know two guys selling MGT's locally right now because they think getting a Revo will help them win more races. They haven't figured out that keeping them off thier lids is going to do more good than any sort of EQ upgrade. Heck, they'll probly spend a fortune in parts with a revo the way they drive...

slaf

06-06-2005, 08:47 PM

So Coth, did you find an new engine ?

Monsterbrad

06-06-2005, 11:14 PM

Coth if you are looking for an engine
For the Money get the Mach 26 or the Sport Werks 26 they both are really great engine's for the money!

Cotharyus

06-07-2005, 08:31 AM

Slaf - not yet. I'm still researching. It's unlikely I'd be able to get the engine and break it in for this weekend anyhow, so I'm not going to rush. After all, short of buying the right truck, the engine is basicly the biggest investment you can make. I don't regret the RG for a minute, but I *do* wish it had a little more umph. And I haven't ruled out some porting on it either.

Brad - If I don't redo the RG, the Sportwerks .26 is the top engine on my list right now.

slaf

06-07-2005, 09:46 AM

What about Fantom engines ? If I remember right, you were thinking about this engine...

forsaken541

06-07-2005, 12:09 PM

Well I just put the Sportwerks .26 on mine with the carb from the TT on it. I had trouble with the linkage being too short on the SW. This engine rocks!! I found that my Zombie max tires that were finr with the TT were not glued well enough for the SW. Love this engine!!
Erik

Cotharyus

06-07-2005, 04:25 PM

I've heard some very questionable things about the fantom, as well as the fact that the only place I know of to get them, they are out of stock. We'll see what happens.

Monsterbrad

06-07-2005, 10:19 PM

I would stay away from the Fantom!
They are no good in my opinion!
Bill that used to work at Speed Zone told me they are junk and he has had them all.
Including hot modded to rtr engines.

slaf

06-08-2005, 06:30 AM

Coth -> What about Ofna/Picco .26 or .27. I have the .26 in my MGT and I'm very happy with this engine. Plus, it still tuned almost like a OS. it tuns cool, have great power and good fuel mileage.

Cotharyus

06-08-2005, 07:47 AM

I see the Picco .27 on tower - after everything I've read about Ofna engines, I have to ask, is that really an Ofna branded Picco engine, or is it a Picco style engine? I had a trinity Picco .15 at one point that I really liked, but I question anything that's an engine and has Ofna's name on it. Or should I give the .27 another look? It *is* quite a bit more expensive than the Sportwerks engine.

slaf

06-08-2005, 08:18 AM

Coth -> Ofna/Picco engines are Picco engines, I'm 99.9999999% sure. Maybe you should look at them again :)

If you want to buy your new engine from Tower, PM me I may have something for you....

MikeWz

06-08-2005, 08:25 AM

It's a picco. Picco makes engines for numerous companies, and some of the best ones are made for Ofna, like the VZ-01B or whatever it was back in the day. I've found picco engines to be a little finicky as far as tuning goes. They're more effected by temperature changes. If your races aren't in the morning, this can be really annoying. My racing used to start at around noon-ish so it would go out of tune when it started to get cooler out. I had one in my ST, and tried one when I was going to run on-road, and both seemed to have the same problem, despite the time difference between the two (the XP in the on-road was a later engine design).

Saboteur

06-08-2005, 08:46 AM

I like Picco engines. :) The RC Speed IMO were pretty reliable and ran great.So are the XPs. The only Ofna/Picco I have is the .26. Only a tiny bit finicky, but other than that it run's great and when set right will run to the last drop of fuel in the tank. Bill currently has a Ofna/Picco 3 port in his new G4 so I'll see how that one goes when he runs it.

slaf

06-08-2005, 08:55 AM

You can debate all day long about engines, Everybody has its own opinion. All I can say is my Ofna/Picco 26 run strong and not that affected by temp and altitude. It also idles forever and "drink" all the fuel I have in the tank. Good to the last drop !

If tuning is a problem, maybe just install your OS RG carb.

Cotharyus

06-08-2005, 12:35 PM

Hmm. Very interesting. I never had a problem tuning my picco 15, so I may seriously look at this...get ready to check you pm's slaf.. :)

metalry101

06-09-2005, 12:07 AM

Picco .27's are incredible. I've got one in my LST and it is super mean. Also, I see that Tower is out of 'em. LMK if you want one, as my shop has them in stock.

Cotharyus

06-09-2005, 08:05 AM

Metal - what kind of price do you have on the picco at your shop? Anyone had any trouble with the one ways on the piccos? I've heard of some problems with them.

slaf

06-09-2005, 09:02 AM

I bought my Picco used and the guy send me a new oneway bearing with the engine. I replacede the bearing after 1.5 gallon. I didn't run my truck much since I changed the oneway. I use RotoStart and this work perfectly.

I heard few complaints about the oneway...I can't tell you more. Maybe the problem is fixed with the .27 version.

Monsterbrad

06-09-2005, 06:24 PM

Mine is still up for grabs here .....
asking 400 with everything rtr
just needs wheels and tires and I will take offers

metalry101

06-10-2005, 01:59 PM

It's 189.99. I *might* be able to do a little better than that, but I doubt it. That's lower than most places on the net that I've seen, and we're not getting much markup on that at all. As for the one-ways...yes and no. Some people have a lot of problems, some people (like me) have none. If you know what you're doing I don't think you'll have an issue. For some reason the Picco .27's seem to go through fewer one ways than the old Picco .26's, even though they're all but identical. Anyways...I haven't seen many issues with them, but there are some.

Cotharyus

06-10-2005, 04:54 PM

Hmm. I'll think about it metal. I'm working on a couple of different options. I have no idea what I'll end up with in the end, but whatever it is, it won't be a snap decision on my part.

Monsterbrad

06-11-2005, 04:16 PM

I am going to have to keep the truck!
Just can't sell anymore.
Anybody having problems with blowing up there stock engine mount????
I have lost 2 so far when landing up side down :D
Oh well ebay has them cheap!

Minty Fresh

06-11-2005, 06:32 PM

Hey guys....what are some good MGT specific forums to check out? Thanks.

Cotharyus

06-12-2005, 08:26 AM

There's more info on this forum about the MGT than anywhere else I can think of. Especially if you check out some of slaf's and Chevy's posts, and links to chevy's site. Most of the guys posting regularly to this thread have had thier MGT's for over a year, and know what it takes to make them work right.

Chevy-SS

06-12-2005, 08:55 AM

Hey guys....what are some good MGT specific forums to check out? Thanks.

http://monstergtforum.com/

That's the very best MGT-specific web site.

Also, I have a web site, mostly geared towards racing, but will still help if you are just bashing.

http://csgbenefits.org/mgt/

Good luck

MikeWz

06-12-2005, 06:51 PM

Chevy-SS

06-12-2005, 09:34 PM

Watch out for a lot of the guys on the MGT forums. I've found they tend to be "hop-up" crazy.........

Good point there, Mike. Some guys are into the bling stuff, no doubt. That's great if you want a eye-popping basher truck. But when it comes to racing, the racers there will all pretty much agree that bling factor does not count. All that matters is whatever lowers your lap times.

:)

Monsterbrad

06-12-2005, 10:26 PM

badboy2

06-12-2005, 11:05 PM

chevy which header did u use for the 2nd one from bottom of the pic on ur front page?im lookin for a bigger header cuz the associated side exhaust cant fit the coupler from my wasp engine ..

astainback

06-13-2005, 02:18 AM

I tried out the FOC this past weekend.. and I leaned out the engine just a little.

It was like night and day.

slaf

06-13-2005, 08:41 AM

I have to agree the truck does not have to be all blinged out at all to run well on the track all though looking nice does have some advantages when you are racing there is no difference.
Plus things get pretty dirty any ways and who wants all that chrome and **** to get all dirty.
I feel that chrome wheels are a waste of money on any truck cause they just get all beat up any way!
But most rtr trucks come with them any way.
I like to run the crap outa all my stuff so the bling factor does not count for me at all.
Throwing in the new engine mount and a new spur gear.
Any of you guys that are into tuning the heck outa this truck I have a question???????????????
How does a bigger spur gear affect the truck????????

Bigger spur slow down the truck....53T is the biggest spur you can find on the market.

It's eay to calculate.... Each tooth you add or remove from the spur will decrease or increase top speed and acceleration by 2% (1/52).

If you install 49T spur (3T less than stock 52T) you increase top speed by 6% and decrease acceleration by 3%.

Same thing with the clutch bell. By adding 2T (17T over stock 15T) you decrease bottom end by 13% (6.5% x 2T) and increase top speed by 13%.

Same thing is true with tires. Stock MGT tires are huge, when you install smaller tires you must change your spur and clutch bell to have bettre top speed and/or acceleration.

slaf

06-13-2005, 08:44 AM

Watch out for a lot of the guys on the MGT forums. I've found they tend to be "hop-up" crazy. They'll recommend parts that aren't really totally usefull, more look than anything else. Might as well spend the money...or some time on the dremel and make everything worthwhile (btw...Chevy's pretty much the man, so listen to him :cool:)

If you have the chance to look at the RCCA Monster truck magazine, there are 4 pro trucks reviews....No blich there...Just basic efficient stuff.

Chevy-SS

06-13-2005, 09:08 AM

chevy which header did u use for the 2nd one from bottom of the pic on ur front page?im lookin for a bigger header cuz the associated side exhaust cant fit the coupler from my wasp engine ..

On that truck, I am using Mach .26 engine with the LST header and pipe. Yeah, the pipe sticks out a little further to the side, but it's a nice pipe and makes great power. That truck really moves out.

FYI, on the truck at bottom of pic, I am using Picco .26 with stock Associated side header. You need a thinner coupler to use the Associated header, but you can find the coupler if you look around. Bring the engine and header to a decent LHS and they probably have one.

Monsterbrad

06-13-2005, 06:14 PM

I think I am going to just run the stock spur again!
Ticks me off that the stocker got trashed!
stupid motor mount!
Chevy ss
What are you running for gearing?????
clutch and spur?

Cotharyus

06-13-2005, 07:01 PM

That's odd. I've not ever broken an engine mount on this truck, and it's taken some hard hits. I know with my .21 I'm running a 17 tooth CB and 49 tooth spur.

slaf

06-13-2005, 09:01 PM

Once I jumped 12ft on the top, I bent the roll bar, bent head fins and the engine mount moved forward a little bit so my gear mesh was too tight but I never broke an engine mount yet....

astainback

06-14-2005, 03:20 AM

MGT upgrade time..

The MGT ran great this past weekend, but I want to push it a little more.
I was thinking about a new engine (keeping the tt21 as a backup) and wanted to know what I should consider. I have been thinking about the Mach.26, but the Picco .27 sounds good. Here is what I want..

As much top-end possible while still being able to pull a wheelie by pegging the throttle... also, I wish I could get some wheelie power AFTER I hit second gear by pegging the throttle. Do the MGTs on here with machs or picco engines walk wheelies?? Maybe I should have asked that first.
I need to know what gear combinations I should get.. and anything else I would need to run a .26 or .27 engine.

In fact, I am pretty sure that I will get either the mach .26 or sportwerks .26 due to price. Can I use the stock flywheel, clutch, and header??
I already run the fantom torque pipe.

Do I have to get a motor mount, or do I have to cut the motor shaft??

thanks,
adrian

badboy2

06-14-2005, 03:55 AM

On that truck, I am using Mach .26 engine with the LST header and pipe. Yeah, the pipe sticks out a little further to the side, but it's a nice pipe and makes great power. That truck really moves out.

FYI, on the truck at bottom of pic, I am using Picco .26 with stock Associated side header. You need a thinner coupler to use the Associated header, but you can find the coupler if you look around. Bring the engine and header to a decent LHS and they probably have one.

thanks man ..i guess the hs i went to have only 2 types of coupler the purple one and the orange one..ill go to the other hs next time see if they have the different one

badboy2

06-14-2005, 03:57 AM

astain i have a wasp26 on mine and i needed the longer linkage for the throttle and thats all i did and i was set

MikeWz

06-14-2005, 10:29 AM

astain - any of the engines you mentioned will give you wheelie power. Just a few things to note first, though.
1.) Wheelies get old really fast. It's hard to steer when you front wheels aren't on the ground. Even when/if you're not racing, they can be really annoying.
2.) BB engines aren't and never were made for top-end. I suppose they'll probably a bit faster on the top than the stock engine, but not hugely, unless you gear tall. The taller you gear, the more bottom end you lose. I'm pretty sure a better .21 will always pull harder on the top (too bad they don't make them in pull start), unless you can gear a .26+ tall enough without really sacrificing too much bottom-end.

Cotharyus

06-14-2005, 02:28 PM

Actually, I'm pretty sure they make a good .21 with a pull start. But you have to do a little work to it. I'll keep everyone updated, and fill you in on some more information when I get it done.

Chevy-SS

06-14-2005, 04:07 PM

............
Chevy ss
What are you running for gearing?????
clutch and spur?

I most often run a 3 to 1 (approx.) ratio, either 17/52 or 16/49, though sometimes I like 16/52 if extra punch needed.

forsaken541

06-14-2005, 04:54 PM

I got a sportwerks .26 an love it. stock carb and pipe works great and wheelies like crazy! I would like to switch from the pull start to a roto start though and was told by horizon hobby that the LST rotostart will work on it. Any idea where to get one?
Erik

metalry101

06-14-2005, 04:56 PM

I've got the HPI 4.6 in my truck. It pulls like a raped ape, but it won't wheelie. I dunno if I'm just not exactly the master tuner, or because my tires are too heavy, or what. If anything I'd guess it's the heavy tires and the altitude.

Oh, and about the Rotostart, I've got one I'll sell ya. Came with my LST. PM me if you're interested. Backplate and all.

Monsterbrad

06-14-2005, 05:53 PM

I most often run a 3 to 1 (approx.) ratio, either 17/52 or 16/49, though sometimes I like 16/52 if extra punch needed.

I think I am going to try 17 and 52 and see what it does.
Just have to get the spur gear now!
Truck needs a little TLC
also are the bearings that fit in the steering 5x10's?????????

metalry101

06-14-2005, 06:36 PM

I don't remember the size, but if I had to guess, they're smaller than 5x10's. I'd say 5x8's.

metalry101

06-14-2005, 06:49 PM

Hey guys, just got my AE Insider newsletter via e-mail today and guess what...

Clicky the linky (http://www.rc10.com/shusting/CatalogHub/lrp/engines.htm)

Looks like they are releasing that TT .28. At least I'm assuming they're the same engine. If not, well...it's still a .28 from LRP/AE. Let's hope it's a screamer...and that it's well priced.

slaf

06-14-2005, 08:49 PM

Nice .28 engine, but I will not replace my Picco .26..... I prefer to wait for OS (Am I dreaming ?) Anyway AE seems to understand that many people buy a MT just by the engine size....The question is why AE released the MGT with a .21 engine while all other manufacturers were with .25 engines....

I'll ask my AE distributor about those engines...

slaf

06-14-2005, 08:53 PM

Just to tell you...

Tonight my 22 month old son was looking RCCA, sudently I heard him saying "Wow...Wow...Wow...." I looked at him, he was on the AE double page ad (where all AE models are pictured) and he was pointing the MGT....

Now I do beleive that I have an influence on him....:)

This kid knows who builds the best RC :)

astainback

06-14-2005, 09:15 PM

If that .28 is anything like the tt.21 as far as reliability and tuneability, I will take it!!

adrian

MikeWz

06-14-2005, 11:21 PM

I'm pretty sure that's not the one that TT has been advertising in their new buggy. Unless they changed the block/head color and signed on with LRP (dunno if I'd buy a nitro engine from somebody who's always specialized in Electrics...other than maybe a Fantom). Doesn't TTR make their own engines. I'm pretty sure the head guy came from OS, which is why their engines are so smooth and reliable.

Cotharyus

06-15-2005, 07:44 AM

How about a pullstart OS 21 that has 35k usable rpm's with with 2.1 hp? Anyone?

But seriously, that LRP .28 - I hope they get wise about parts on that thing. It seems crazy to pay any more than $70 for a piston and sleeve.

slaf

06-15-2005, 08:27 AM

Mike -> I think that some TTR engineer were working for OS... I heard this before.

Coth -> I still beleive that .21 engine in a MGT may be a good choice, it depends of the track where you race. But when I changed my TTR 21 for a Picco 26 this was like night and day. How about a pullstart OS .18TZ with 2.2HP and few less grams ? :)

Cotharyus

06-15-2005, 03:51 PM

Yea, I talked about running a TZ in the MGT - it's still an option, but I haven't figured out how to mount it just yet. But if you want to see what I'm up to with the RG:

http://wilderness.homeip.net/cotharyus/pictures/

Check out the RG gallery. So far I've just got the crank, but it's looking good.

slaf

06-15-2005, 04:01 PM

To mount a TZ in a MGT, I think a RC10GT engine mount will work fine, just drill 4 holes in the chassis for the screws.

Here's the link -> http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXTX51&P=7

Do you imagine the runtime with dual tank and .18 engine....:)

OS TZ is 233g compared to 398g for the .21 RGXP

fezzy

06-15-2005, 05:19 PM

That LRP 28 has been out in Europe for a while now, Its actually an SH Engines .28, So its a decent motor, But its not the TTR 28. As far as I know thats still in development.

Monsterbrad

06-15-2005, 06:28 PM

where the heck is OS here?????
everybody has 28's and all that and they still are messing around with the 21 rg and all that!
I know OS makes a great engine and the RG is one of them but come one how about some more power!!!!!!! :)

MikeWz

06-15-2005, 06:38 PM

Coth - The TZ will have the HP without a doubt, but will it have the torque? You'd probably have to gear it pretty short in order to get it to pull the truck off the line fast enough, and then you lose any of the speed you would have gained.

I'm pretty sure I heard that TTR was coming out with a new buggy (not the S3) which will have the TTR .28 in it. If not, I'm pretty sure schumacher is coming out with a new truck that's supposed have the TTR .28 in it. We'll see what happens.

There has got to be a way to mount a non P/S engine on this truck. I need to figure it out first :o

slaf

06-15-2005, 07:21 PM

Mike -> It's not the buggy but the truggy S1 and yes it comes with the TTR .28.

As far as I know, AE will not rebatch TTR S3 and S1 truggy. Both companies still with their own products. That's too bad, I'd like to see a truggy or a buggy from AE :(

MikeWz

06-15-2005, 08:27 PM

I don't think that AE will come out with a Truggy anytime soon. The market's not big enough for it yet. The MT race scene is only really getting big now, and many places still don't allow Truggy's in the races. I'm surprised they don't have a 1/8th Buggy yet though, as that's easily the most popular form of racing (especially in europe), and they're popular bashers too. AE needs to get working on their RC10GT too, they're now well behind Losi in their design

slaf

06-15-2005, 08:31 PM

Yes but there is some serious rumours about a new 10GT for this automn...

Cotharyus

06-15-2005, 08:55 PM

Mike - I'm working on a non-pullstart solution, but it involves a very fast drill turning a rubber starter-box type wheel that can contact the flywheel. Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies. It's something that's still very much in the planning phase - to the point where I just this weekend got a broken starter box from a friend for the rubber wheel. And I know what you mean about the .18 torque. We'll just have to see what happens if I manage to get it done.

As for an AE truggy...we have yet to see an AE 1/8 buggy. It's basicly a prerequisite for having a truggy, although I suppose they could work backwards and truggy-fy the MGT somehow. Would we even want to know? I'm not sure. But hey, if AE talks, I'll listen. Just remember, all that glitters is not gold.

Side notes: I just worked a deal for a GS storm buggy roller with a truggy conversion kit included. Less than one season of racing on it, mucho spare parts, and the whole thing is in great shape. Price tag? $200.

MikeWz

06-15-2005, 11:02 PM

Coth - I was thinking the same thing. Except I was thinking of using my airplane starter with helicopter shaft to turn the rubber wheel over. I'm pretty sure that motor turns higher RPMs and has more torque. Just not sure if I should try it from the top or cut out some kind of hole in the chassis to work it. Thinking the top will be easier, but the airfilter will have to come off, and I'm not sure if the guard for the Spur will get in the way either. If that does work though, I'll def be getting the OS V-spec

metalry101

06-16-2005, 12:35 AM

So...I found a track that races monsters. Problem is they only race them on Saturdays and every other Thursday. I work open-close every Saturday so those are out. Oh well. I'm hoping to go down and race next Thursday. We shall see if it actually works out, but I'm hoping. I wanna see what my MGT can do and what I can do.

Cotharyus

06-16-2005, 07:51 AM

Mike - the top is going to be the way to go unless you get a larger flywheel. And the spur gear guard will be in the way. But I'm not so sure about the air filter....

slaf

06-16-2005, 08:33 AM

Starting the engine with a rubber wheel with no air filter on the engine may be dangerous cause the rubber wheel makes some "rubber dust" when spinning on the flywheel.

4DMNYC

06-16-2005, 11:01 AM

Sup peeps, Ive dropped the Diablo .28 in my MGT (I'n not a big fan of this engine, but it's the only big block I had laying around to experiment with). The engine dropped right in, I didn't need a longer throttle linkage or anything. I've heard of people having some problems with the truck after putting in a more powerful engine so I have a couple of questions.
1. Will the gears, transmission, diffs, hold up to this kind of power?
2. What is this little pin that everyone is talking about that strips out after installing a powerful engine?
3.Are there nylon spur gears available?

Thanks

metalry101

06-16-2005, 11:25 AM

No drivetrain issues for me yet. The set screws and pins fall out of the CVD joints in the center and at the wheels, but that's not affected by power. If you've loctited those they shouldn't go anywhere...well...not as often.

MikeWz

06-16-2005, 11:47 AM

4DM - The pins shouldn't be affected by the power so much. The hole the pin goes through on the CVD (the blue anodized part) as chevy has showed us, which will be exaggerated by a larger engine. Not really sure how long it takes for that to happen, but I've got about 2 gallons on my MIP CVDs without any problems yet.
The tranny will hold up fine, but you may want to check out Chevy's site for information on shimming the diffs. All it costs is a few $s for the shims. Worth it.

Coth - Do you have any ideas for getting around that guard? I'm not sure if I want to cut it away. I may try "thinning" up the rubber wheel to see if I can't just get it in there. Not sure if the wheel will get too flimsy though

Cotharyus

06-16-2005, 03:52 PM

Mike - most of my work so far is rough speculation, primarily because I haven't got an engine to put on the truck right now. But I think you'll have to cut the spur guard off. I can't say as how I've had any trouble with things getting into the gears though, and it really doesn't look like it does too much there. It looks like it might be a more effective oil guard to keep oil off the spur than anything else.

4DMNYC

06-16-2005, 10:28 PM

Thanks for the info guys, I've thread locked all the pins in the CVD's and axles. I ran a tank through it a couple of hours ago and everything seems normal so far. I think it's gonna hold up pretty good. The MGT is insane with the Diablo.28 in it. I'm still using the stock gearing and it's very hard to keep the front end on the ground. We'll see how it holds up this sunday after a good three hour bash.

astainback

06-17-2005, 06:38 PM

I need help with engine choice and setup.

I think I am going to get the Mach .26. Actually, I am getting it or the Sportwerks engine.
What all do I need to get with it??

Does it come with an air filter??
Do I need to buy a flywheel, clutch, and clutch bell?
Do I need to order washers for the flywheel and whatnot??
Any ball bearings??
A new motor mount??
Do I have to cut the drive shaft??
Should I order the LST roto start equipment for it??

I am engine-dumb obviously. I think I am pretty good at tuning them and running them, but when it comes to installing them, I haven't had much experience. I have only changed out a motor once, and when I did it, I put the clutch shoes on backwards.. hahaha

Also, what gearing would you recommend with this motor?? I am running Losi Zombie maxx tires on rpm wheels if that helps.

adrian

Chevy-SS

06-17-2005, 10:28 PM

..............

Does it come with an air filter??
Do I need to buy a flywheel, clutch, and clutch bell?
Do I need to order washers for the flywheel and whatnot??
Any ball bearings??
A new motor mount??
Do I have to cut the drive shaft??
Should I order the LST roto start equipment for it??
...
Also, what gearing would you recommend with this motor?? .....

adrian

Dropping this engine in is a piece of cake. It will virtually fall right in there.

Answers to your questions, in order.

*If you get one (Mach .26) off eBay, it often comes with air filter.
*Flywheel, clutch bell, shoes, etc. all can be used from your MGT
*I always like to have spare washers for spacing the CB
*No ball bearings needed
*Use stock motor mount
*No need to cut drive shaft
*Oh Yeah! Get a roto-start. Pull starts suck, heheh

For gearing, I like 17/52. I use this gearing for stock tires on a basher and for racing with 40 series Bowties. I also use 16/52 sometimes, and, if you want really insane low end punch you can try 15/52.

Oh, one last thing. If you run the Mach .26 using the stock Associated pipe, then make sure you buy some ear plugs, 'cause it will be LOUDDDDDDD!!!

:)

metalry101

06-17-2005, 11:39 PM

Personally, I'm all about the pull start. The LST's starting system works great, but I still don't care for it. I can't feel what the engine is doing, and I don't wan to carry something that big around all the time. Pull starts are the only way to go IMO.

Monsterbrad

06-18-2005, 02:10 AM

Yeah but pull starts kinda stink when you have the pull them way too much.
But i can understand what you are saying.
My race truck has a pull start but the engine starts every time on the second pull after it has gas!

Chevy-SS

06-18-2005, 12:07 PM

Shifting and FOC troubles seems to be very common questions, so I did up a web page talking about three things:

1) Not shifting from 1st to 2nd
2) Not shifting (forward/reverse)
3) Installation of FOC

http://csgbenefits.org/mgt/foc_tranny_issues.htm

There's the link.

Peace

Minty Fresh

06-18-2005, 10:49 PM

I got my MGT a little bit ago....thought I'd finally post up some pics of it!

I love this truck!

http://www.mintyfreshproductions.com/pics/mgtnew1.jpg

http://www.mintyfreshproductions.com/pics/mgtnew2.jpg

http://www.mintyfreshproductions.com/pics/mgtnew3.jpg

metalry101

06-19-2005, 02:41 AM

I'm jealous. Where'd you get those rims? I've seen them, but I didn't know they were already available. Nice looking truck!

Minty Fresh

06-19-2005, 12:54 PM

I'm jealous. Where'd you get those rims? I've seen them, but I didn't know they were already available. Nice looking truck!

Thanks!

I actually got them from Tower. They've been getting them in in batches...I guess they're kinda hard to get. And I haven't seen them in a Hobby Shop yet.

Monsterbrad

06-19-2005, 04:03 PM

thats a sweet looking truck!
It's cool!
This is a great truck its on my keeper list.
Its just plain tough!

kurrz

06-19-2005, 08:13 PM

Damn minty you are always hooked up! Nice truck.

SpeedballTrix

06-19-2005, 08:20 PM

Normally I hate Hummer bodies.
But, damn. That looks hot.

Grats on a beautiful truck, Minty!

Also: Completely unrelated... has anyone seen the new Racers Edge .32 in person?
Does anyone have any opinions on it?

Minty Fresh

06-19-2005, 11:28 PM

Thanks guys!!! :D

metalry101

06-19-2005, 11:33 PM

Racer's Edge .32 or Team Orion Wasp .32? I haven't heard a word about a Racer's Edge .32. If there is one I'm going to assume that it's the same thing as the Wasp, only crappier since Racer's Edge only screws things up (well...not entirely, they do make (or package) nice tools. Honestly though, I'd much rather have an Orion motor since Orion just rocks.

astainback

06-20-2005, 02:42 AM

Dropping this engine in is a piece of cake. It will virtually fall right in there.

Answers to your questions, in order.

*If you get one (Mach .26) off eBay, it often comes with air filter.
*Flywheel, clutch bell, shoes, etc. all can be used from your MGT
*I always like to have spare washers for spacing the CB
*No ball bearings needed
*Use stock motor mount
*No need to cut drive shaft
*Oh Yeah! Get a roto-start. Pull starts suck, heheh

For gearing, I like 17/52. I use this gearing for stock tires on a basher and for racing with 40 series Bowties. I also use 16/52 sometimes, and, if you want really insane low end punch you can try 15/52.

Oh, one last thing. If you run the Mach .26 using the stock Associated pipe, then make sure you buy some ear plugs, 'cause it will be LOUDDDDDDD!!!

:)

Where do I order (or what size) washers should I get??

What is the stock gearing??
I am using Losi Zombie Maxx tires... so if that changes anything for gearing..

I am using the Fantom pipe already, so I should be good to go on exhaust.. unless you think the LST setup is better.

I went to stormer, and apparently, there are 2 different shaft styles.. which one if the right one for the MGT??

Is there some easy way to understand gearing?? I don't mind getting another clutch bell or gear, but I want to know what I should get and not be guessing all the time!!

Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

adrian

astainback

06-20-2005, 03:25 AM

Cotharyus

06-20-2005, 08:12 AM

astainback - Taller spur gear, lower gearing. Taller clutchbell, higher gearing. Any change in the relationship between the clutchbell and spur that makes the clutchbell larger in relation to the spur, will result in higher speed, and any change that makes it smaller, will result in lower top speed and more accelleration.

MikeWz

06-20-2005, 06:09 PM

Also, try to keep the total amount of teeth as close to the stock number as possible. Example, if you go from a 52 tooth spur (stock), to a 50t spur, try going up at least one tooth on the clutch bell. Not exactly sure why that is, but that's what the guys over at Robinson Racing suggest...and they know what they're doing so I just listen

astainback

06-20-2005, 06:32 PM

Sweet. I am running Tmaxx sized tires, and I think I might leave the spur gear at 52 and order the 17t clutch bell.
I should be getting the mach .26 pretty soon I hope.

I was bashing this past weekend and broke the piano wire mount I made for the fantom. So I will have to make another one of those. I also bent the top fin on the stock motor. I wish there was a better way to protect it. I had 6 zip ties on it. dangit.

Also, I somehow managed to lose a motor mount screw. Weird.. So I will be ordering a new package of those as well.

I was thinking about ordering the factory team shock caps.. but they are so expensive. Are tmaxx shocks a lot smaller than mgt shocks?? I can get threaded aluminum shocks for the tmaxx for pretty cheap all day long.. do any of you run tmaxx shocks other than the prolines??

adrian

fezzy

06-20-2005, 08:03 PM

Any recommendations what sort of clutchbell/spur I should be running with an LRP .28, Pretty torquey engine. I was thinking of 17/49, Or 17/52 if it will fit with the shroud. I am going to be running 40-Series Dirt Hawgs.

With fitting the larger engine aswell, Should I have any concerns with the trucks drivetrain in terms of durability... I have read that some of the cups can wear abit on the quick side. I am an advanced hobbyiest and obviously I expect it to wear faster with such a more potent engine in there, But should there be anything to be concerned about? I don't want to have to spend a tonne of money on the thing to keep it going.

Cheers

RCfrodoRC

06-20-2005, 08:44 PM

what is the stock speed for one of these trucks.

MikeWz

06-20-2005, 10:00 PM

RCCA clocked it at 32mph

Chevy-SS

06-21-2005, 11:11 AM

.........With fitting the larger engine aswell, Should I have any concerns with the trucks drivetrain in terms of durability... I have read that some of the cups can wear abit on the quick side. I am an advanced hobbyiest and obviously I expect it to wear faster with such a more potent engine in there, But should there be anything to be concerned about?

Cheers

Some of the biggies are:

1) Drive smoother with big engine to lessen chances of snapping parts.

2) Keep an eye on CV joints and main shaft couplers. Keep them clean and lubed. Replace/rebuild them when they loosen up.

3) Be sure and do the "quick and easy diff shim" located about halfway down on this page: http://csgbenefits.org/mgt/transmission.htm

4) Use two wheel nuts, and maybe even a little loctite.

fezzy

06-21-2005, 12:22 PM

Thanks for that... I do drive reasonably smoothly anyway, And I drive more sensible than other people I know, And this should minimise wear. I'll tear the diffs apart after breaking it in, The truck has only had 10 Tanks with the original 21R and then the new 28 went in, So after its been broken in, And I've had a good session I usually rebuild the diffs, So at the same time I'll shim them.

Monsterbrad

06-21-2005, 06:58 PM

I have to say that I have been pounding the heck outa my truck through almost 4 gallons and have done nothing to the trucks drive train at all.
Still have the original clutch bearings and clutch bolted on the Mach thats in it now!
The rear diff clicks here and there but it just keeps right on going!

Chevy-SS

06-22-2005, 07:45 AM

.......
The rear diff clicks here and there but it just keeps right on going!

As I'm sure you know, the clicking sound is the ring/pinion mesh skipping gears, which means it's no good.

Sometimes the diffs will last a while and sometimes they go quickly. Last season I ruined a couple of non-shimmed brand new diffs (ring/pinion) in less than a day of racing, using Picco .26 or Mach .26. Shimming the pinion out into the ring gear has really helped.

slaf

06-22-2005, 08:32 AM

Chevy -> Do you have any parts number for those shims ? And, do you think rear diff is tough enough for on-road racing with my engine ?

Chevy-SS

06-22-2005, 12:23 PM

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGPC9&P=7

There's the shims at Tower, though it says "out of stock" til next month. Probably 'cause everyone is now shimming their diffs, LOL. Still, you should be able to find comparable shims at other places.

I think the diffs are fairly tough, especially if shimmed. You still need to drive smoother and keep drivetrain slop to a minimum to lessen slamming effect (on tranny and diffs) of worn CV and axle joints.

slaf

06-22-2005, 01:41 PM

Thanks Chevy, Tower charge 17.99 for shipping to Canada :(

Cotharyus

06-22-2005, 04:06 PM

You should be able to find those parts (since they're hpi) at your LHS if you have one near you. Or you could just buy something from tower that makes the shipping worth it :)

slaf

06-23-2005, 10:17 PM

I know but for now I don't need extra parts... Maybe a .18CVR for my NTC3 but I'm thinking about selling it.

I bought it last week, did few runs at the track and discover that I didn't really like sedan nitro....:(

fezzy

06-25-2005, 09:40 AM

This thread is seriously lacking photos, So here is my contribution.

Hopups
FT Steering
PowerStroke Socks
RB 063 Pipe
JE Spares Stainless Screw Kit (http://www.jespares.com)
LRP Z28R Spec-2
23mm Hexes
23mm Velocity Dish Rims
40-Series Dirt Hawg Tyres
Thunder Tiger DS1013 Steering Servo
Hitec 925MG Throttle Servo
Hitec CRX Radio w/Receiver
1200mah Team Orion Hump Pack
Fastrax Failsafe
17t Clutchbell w/49t Spur Gear
F150 Bodyshell
Fuel Filter

http://www.ashtuk.dsl.pipex.com/Album/images/mgt7.jpg
http://www.ashtuk.dsl.pipex.com/Album/images/mgt8.jpg
http://www.ashtuk.dsl.pipex.com/Album/images/mgt9.jpg
http://www.ashtuk.dsl.pipex.com/Album/images/mgt10.jpg

There are a couple more photos located on my album: http://www.ashtuk.dsl.pipex.com/Album

There is also a video located here (http://www.ashtuk.dsl.pipex.com/stuff/mgt.wmv). From the video you can see its still running a little rich, Temps around 210F but with pretty impressive pace, In the video it was on around its 11th tank. The truck itself is very impressive, I never expected it to handle so well, Its so stable even at speed, If it just had abit more steering it would be very competitive at the track.

slaf

06-25-2005, 02:09 PM

Nice ride :)

How does perform the LRP .28 engine ?

astainback

06-25-2005, 06:19 PM

That is a nice truck!!!

Do you drive it??

haha

Even when I clean mine it doesn't look that spanking new. Really, I saved those pics and I am getting ready to email them out to my RC club that I have to show them this... nice...

Are the dirt hawgs worth it?? I run the zombie maxx tires, and i want some 40 series, but I dont' know if they are worth it.

Please let me know.

adrian

fezzy

06-25-2005, 08:01 PM

slaf> The LRP is running great,Starts on the first pull and runs really reliably. As you can see/hear in the video it is running on the rich side at 210F, But the performance is still pretty impressive. With the high speed needle leaned out a further 1/8 turn wheelies with the 17/49 gearing are easily achieveable, On command.

astainback> The truck isn't far off brand new, But no matter whether the truck has seen 5 tanks or 5 gallons, Mine always look like new, I am a fastidious owner that takes really good care of my cars, Insuring that they are clean at all times and problem free :).

The 40-Series Dirt Hawgs are awesome, Perfect size for the MGT, Smallish yet big looking, They make the truck not only handle great but look great too, Traction is also pretty good on grass, Just right. I will have to say though that only go 40-Series if you intend going with the 23mm Hex/Wheel combination, Because the standard sized hex can't stand up under the weight of the truck, The whole combo despite the cost is worth it though.

Monsterbrad

06-25-2005, 11:45 PM

thats a nice looking truck!
I can say that it won't look like that if its put through some serious bashing like i put my truck through! :)
still nice though

jimcrawler

06-26-2005, 02:07 AM

Needs Dirt!

metalry101

06-26-2005, 02:22 AM

^^^ Agreed.

The truck looks great...but it definately needs to see some dirt. It is a monster truck after all. I'll get some pics of mine up some time. I'm hoping to pick up some new tires here fairly soon...should look better then.

fezzy

06-26-2005, 05:21 AM

lol, There is a few bits of grass under the engine I haven't removed yet, Isn't that dirty enough? ;).

You'll very rarely see any of my trucks dirty to be fair :p

Chevy-SS

06-26-2005, 10:42 AM

NEWS FLASH!

Many folks are looking for diff shims (the ones that move pinion out into ring gear). The regular shims (HPI 8x10x.02) are out-of-stock at Tower, so I have been asked by many if there is another place to find them.

Well, I went searching through Tower and found these. They should work just fine, by the looks of them: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJVD0&P=7

And best of all, they are in stock!

http://members.cox.net/dbfraser2/mgt/diffshims.jpg

Minty Fresh

06-26-2005, 03:45 PM

Guys...question. I'm gonna be getting a Fantom FR27 for my MGT. And I was wondering if the stock header will work with it? If not...what header(s) should I look at, to keep the stock (rear) mounting position?

Cotharyus

06-27-2005, 07:46 AM

The stock header should work. Let me know what you think of the Fantom when you get it.

As a side note, if you're still using the stock pipe, you'll want to look at upgrading it. The pipe may be the single worst piece of stock equipment on this truck.

MikeWz

06-27-2005, 08:04 AM

Agreed. May as well look at the Fantom pipe while you're looking at the engine :D . Make sure you get the '05 Fantom engine though, because the '04s have had there fair share of problems, which have been addressed.

Minty Fresh

06-27-2005, 11:58 AM

Thanks guys....I actually ended up getting a Wasp .26. After doing a bit more research, I think I'll like it better. I think it will be more suited for the climate here as well. I also ordered a HPI ribbed pipe....so I should be good to go.

Cotharyus

06-27-2005, 11:58 AM

For the record, I've got the RG put back together - yall arn't going to believe this - with the same piston and sleeve. They've been reworked and polished, then squeezed. Supposed to be good as new, we'll see. Of course, I completed the porting on the engine as well, I'm just waiting on a new clutch to get things back up and runing.

slaf

06-27-2005, 02:11 PM

God bless OS :)

Monsterbrad

06-27-2005, 10:07 PM

coth keep is posted on that engine!
I wanna know how long it lasts with the new pinch!

astainback

06-28-2005, 01:50 AM

Well I figured shipping in the US is cheaper canada. So I guess I'll just drop the price now down to $140 with radio gear, engine, and I may include the body. That way for shipping to Canada it may cost around $20+ so it will be around the original asking price of $170. I'm still waiting on buying the Ofna extension axles to widen my 8th buggy-they are still on backorder. I guess I may just get more upgrades for the R40 and sell the MGT and TL01 RTR. Infact, right now I have better luck running the R40 than ANY other of my RC's, except the elec. The R40 outlasts the elec on a single tank verses the elec with either stock or modified motor.

Are you still trying to part with this truck or did you fix it??

Is the only problem the tranny case??

I have a friend that might be interested.

adrian

slaf

06-28-2005, 06:50 AM

I went to the track this weekend. There is a new layout with doubles, triples, table top, rythm sectiob and mogguls... This is totaly different from last year !!!!

I just practiced 2 tanks. My Bowties were difinitively not the good tires for the track, dirt was too loose for good traction and I left my Zombie maxx at home :(

Anyway I've been able to have fun and must of all I had the chance to try my suspension setup in the rythm and moguls section. I also been able to clear the triple that the Savage was not able :)

This is ijust too bad that there is many big rocks on the track, my skids plates and scrathed and bent, plus I lost my air filter but I had time to stop the engine before dommage.

I ordered some Poline Roadrage tires for on-road action at the parking lot :)

MikeWz

06-28-2005, 11:04 AM

Slaf has been bitten by the bug....you'll never leave racing now :cool:

TTR needs to come out with their .28 NOW. I'm sick of all the other garbage that's out, and with my fairly short track I'm gonna need the grunt of a bigger engine. I can't afford to gear shorter or I do lose enough speed on the track were I'd fall behind. I've got the 2-speed set perfectly too. I can stay in 1st throughout most of the in-field, and yet still keep the engine in the powerband.

slaf

06-28-2005, 11:11 AM

Mike, I raced last summer but this year the track is more technical :)

I did my own track in my backyard, so this year I'll race in my backyard....

monstatruCkin

06-28-2005, 06:42 PM

is the mgt going to come with a .28 stok? its really behind compared to other truks in the engine category. ive had my mgt for months but the tt21 is just not cutting it.

monstatruCkin

06-28-2005, 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=MikeWz]4DM - The pins shouldn't be affected by the power so much. The hole the pin goes through on the CVD (the blue anodized part) as chevy has showed us, which will be exaggerated by a larger engine. Not really sure how long it takes for that to happen, but I've got about 2 gallons on my MIP CVDs without any problems yet.
The tranny will hold up fine, but you may want to check out Chevy's site for information on shimming the diffs. All it costs is a few $s for the shims. Worth it.

mikewz- how do u like the mip cvds? are they stronger than stok

slaf

06-28-2005, 08:14 PM

is the mgt going to come with a .28 stok? its really behind compared to other truks in the engine category. ive had my mgt for months but the tt21 is just not cutting it.

Facts are that Thunder Tiger sell MGT with a .28 in Europe, rumours are that AE will release a .28 version too.

In fact, I still don't understand why they released the MGT or MTA4 with .21 while all others companies had .25 or bigger in their trucks.

75% of the time, newbies go with the bigger engine, no matter what they buy. Imagine how many MGT's AE should had sold if it was initialy released with at least a .25 engine....:)

metalry101

06-29-2005, 12:10 AM

When the MGT came out the only other truck remotely close to it in size was the Savage, and it still had the .21. There's nothing wrong with the stock engine. Mine still runs, even if I pulled it in favor of the HPI .28. I might slap it into my Mad Force one of these days, after I buy all of the parts to convert it to the non-stock engine. As for newbs picking the trucks with bigger engine theory...how do you explain T-Maxx and Revo sales figures?

slaf

06-29-2005, 08:38 AM

Traxxas has the best marketing strategy of all RC manufacturers plus, few magazines like RCCA made the T-Maxx and Revo the best truck of the year many years in a row. Don't forget that there is more T-Maxx on the planet than any other RC cars and trucks also all aftermarket companies produced alot of hopups. Put all those argues together and you'll see why T-Maxx and Revos are so popular even with small blocks.

I didn't say the TTR .21 is not a good engine, I just say that if AE released the MGT with a bigger engine they should have sale more MGT.

metalry101

06-29-2005, 11:30 AM

Bigger, not necessarily. A little bit faster (so it'd do high thirties and run with a Savage instead of low thirties and be bottom of the pack), yes. Bigger does not always mean faster.

I think the biggest reason the MGT doesn't sell all that well is the price. The only trucks that cost more at my shop are the LST and the Revo. It's roughly the same price to get running as a Savage since you save 50 dollars by not having to buy a battery and charger for the electric starting system, but it's still pricey...too much so for the features you get. I really love my MGT, but I do think they're overpriced. Sure you can pick them up from Ultimate Hobbies for cheap, but they've gotta sell them at cost or damn near (something a small shop can't do because the number of customers just won't support that low a margin, you gotta pay the bills), because there's no way in hell they're paying that much less for them than my shop. It's ridiculous. It's a good truck...but AE seems to be pricing themselves out of the market. Where every other truck has gradually come down in price, the MGT hasn't.

Another thing that kills it is publicity. The MGT NEVER gets magazine time. AE's ads are always the same, boring stills of their whole lineup, woooo. I don't recall ever seeing an MGT buildup in RCCA, but they've built up damn near everything else...tons of Maxxes, Revos, Savages, Clods, etc. Very few people get to see the potential of the truck, and apparently AE's monster truck drivers just can't drive or the truck isn't as good at the track as we've experienced because other than winning the first time it went out, in the hands of Pavidis (I think??), it hasn't won a big event that I can remember, or even placed. I remember that winning truck being featured in the Pro Setup section of the mag, and it was nearly stock, but since then I don't recall seeing a single article on the truck. That kills it. Ya, it's solid, and I rave about it if you come into my hobby shop, but newbs read the mags and buy Traxxas trucks, and Savages, and LSTs, not discrete MGTs.

monstatruCkin

06-29-2005, 12:49 PM

your so right. the ONLY ad ive ever seen of the mgt was back in rcca in jan/05 when they tested mip cvds on it.

slaf

06-29-2005, 12:54 PM

Saxton finished first at the dirt in 2004 but it's the only big win I heard for the MGT. RCCA and all other magazines prefer to picture T-Maxx and Revos.

More people buy T-Maxx and Revo's because they are almost on every page of the magazine and Air Age selsl more magazine because they are T-Maxx and Revo's in their page.....

MikeWz

06-29-2005, 01:41 PM

Monstatruckin - I like them. I haven't had any problem with the holes expanding. The joints are hardcoated and seem to be holding up really well, but I'm still running the stock engine. However, some people apparently have had problems with diffs, which has been magnified by weakening of the CVDs. I still have the original diffs in there, and there's no clicking yet. THat's with over 2 gallons on the engine, and some track time in there too. ANd I don't take it easy on the trucks.

Honestly, I don't see why TTR needs to put a bigger engine in the truck. If the noobs would do some research, they'd see that a .21 is probably better for them, especially when it's easier to tune than any other .25+ engine on the market. On top of that, racers should be happy with the .21 too because it has a better power curve than any of the bigger engines out there. When somebody comes out with a big engine that's actually decent, that'll probably change.

monstatruCkin

06-29-2005, 03:16 PM

yea the tt21 is a great engine but i bash all day with jumbo kongs so i want all the power i can get. in stok form i was actually surprised how well the tt21 pushes the heavy truck around. ae just replaced my engine for free and its not even under warranty anymore. who can beat that for service?!

Cotharyus

06-29-2005, 03:40 PM

Well guys, my clutch is on the way - expect an update on how the porting of an OS RG works out soon. We'll see about getting power out of a budget .21...

slaf

06-29-2005, 09:38 PM

Coth -> Are you racing with the stock engine while your RG is out ?

badboy2

06-30-2005, 02:36 AM

what kind of mod do u need for the proline shox to fit?

Cotharyus

06-30-2005, 07:48 AM

slaf - no, my stock engine quit back before I bought the RG. It ran pretty well, but I kept pushing the temps on it up towards 260 to get it to run hard enough on the track.

metalry101

06-30-2005, 11:04 AM

what kind of mod do u need for the proline shox to fit?
You need Pro-Line's hardware kit because the eyelets on the shocks are a different diameter than the eyelets on the stock shocks so the stock upper shock bolt won't work. It's ridiculously overpriced...15 bux for a few screws and such...but what can ya do?

astainback

06-30-2005, 03:41 PM

fezzy

06-30-2005, 04:55 PM

Taken my rear diff apart tonight to rebuild it and shim it. Going off your article Chevy-SS, You say to file down the back side of the drivecup... Can I ask what the reasoning is behind this? Originally I thought it was to re-align the hole in the pinion to fit the grub screw, Once the pinoin had been shimmed... BUT, My cup/grub scerw fits spot on, Its not even a tight fit. The mesh has been tightened on the diff and there is zero play in the pinion. Have I missed something here?.

monstatruCkin

06-30-2005, 10:37 PM

fezzy, the reason behind shortening the diff cup is because sometimes when you add 3 or 4 shims on the pinion shaft, its moves it into the gearbox so much more that you need to take a little off of the drive cup so the screw holes line up, but in your situation, it seems that your holes are lined up, so no shortening is needed. is there zero play in your pinion when you put the cup on?, or without because if you have any play in the pinion shaft without the cup on, it means that when you put the cup on the lenght of the cup is making up for that play hence you will have to shorten it. just make shure you shim out all the slop before putting the cup on, and then shorten it accordingly.

fuzzy2133

07-01-2005, 12:29 AM

Mach .26 came in the mail today.. along with my x75 offset beadlock rims.

I put the flywheel, clutch nut (I am not sure if I put it on right.. but the spring on the clutch shoes are laying on the smooth part of the nut), the clutch bell, and I had to add a couple of washers to the 2 that were already on there. Everything seems to operate fine. The clutchbell spins completely freely. (it is the new 17 tooth that i bought.)

What size screw do I need to put on the end of the shaft??

Why won't the tt .21 fit??

adrian

The stock screw for the TT .21 is smaller that what 90% of the other Engines use. Why? I wish I could say. I have not had the chance to take a close look at the Mach .26 however if you have a M3 screw that would be a good starting point. From there it would then be finding the right length.

Some one here should know the exact size.

smileyboy

07-02-2005, 02:10 AM

I JUST BOUGHT A MGT.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS
I HAVE A FEW FRIEDS WITH SAVAGE 4.6's If I chang ethe engine, is there any way I can keep uP? Can i use a 4.6 in my MGT, if not What engine will fit. I know the MT handles great. But, now I wan tthe speed to beat my friemds.
thanks

Monsterbrad

07-02-2005, 02:37 AM

the 4.6 will bolt right in!
you will have to see what the other MGT nuts say about gearing though.
I threw the Mach 26 in mine and it has way to much low end with the stock gearing!

metalry101

07-02-2005, 03:18 AM

Don't buy the 4.6. It's a great engine, but the Picco .27 is faster, easier to tune, and less expensive. The green head also looks way cooler than the purple one on the HPI.

The 4.6 will bolt right in, and it definately rips (I run one in mine), but the Picco .27 is faster (I have one of those in my LST). Honestly, if you want to teach your friends what real power is, buy the Picco. I can guarantee that a well tuned Picco will out accelerate and outrun a well tuned HPI 4.6. It'll also probably last longer, and definately be easier to tune.

smileyboy

07-02-2005, 12:20 PM

Where can I buy a pico .27? What should I expect to pay? What gearing should I use? What will be the pros and cons of this?
thanks

Chevy-SS

07-02-2005, 01:34 PM

I have a web site just for the MGT, mostly geared to racers, but it may help with some of your questions.

http://csgbenefits.org/mgt/

smileyboy

07-02-2005, 02:05 PM

thanks. I will check it out.

Monsterbrad

07-02-2005, 06:06 PM

Picco is a good name
I might have to try one cause the ws7 I just got used from a guy on here is junk.
I am in need of a new engine!

MikeWz

07-03-2005, 12:20 PM

Lol, the WS7 is an old engine. The WS7 II has been out for sometime now, even. The WS7 II is a great engine, but it doesn't have a P/S so unless you rig up a bump starter some other way you can't run one anyway.

RCfrodoRC

07-03-2005, 04:49 PM

what is the top speed of this truck stock and what is the possible top speed with a pretty good .28 or .26 motor.

Chevy-SS

07-03-2005, 05:31 PM

what is the top speed of this truck stock and what is the possible top speed with a pretty good .28 or .26 motor.

I gotta believe if you geared for speed, you could get 50mph with no sweat.

RCfrodoRC

07-03-2005, 05:56 PM

is that with a stock truck

Monsterbrad

07-03-2005, 06:52 PM

I fried the spur gear after melting down the slipper :mad:
oh well
more parts again!

RCfrodoRC

07-03-2005, 11:56 PM

I gotta believe if you geared for speed, you could get 50mph with no sweat.
is that a stock truck

MikeWz

07-04-2005, 12:14 AM

No, the stock truck is a little over 30. RCCA claimed to have clocked it at 32. You'll need a .26 or bigger and different gearing to get it to 50
Doesn't matter what engine you put in a truck, the top-speed cannont increase unless at least one of the following things is true:
A.) The new engine revs higher than the stock
B.) The stock engine couldn't pull the stock gearing to it's full speed
C.) You change the stock gearing

Monsterbrad

07-04-2005, 01:58 AM

My Mach destroyed the new spur gear!
Melted it down!
whats up with this slipper ????

Cotharyus

07-04-2005, 07:58 AM

Monsterbrad - you may need to tighten it some. Also, make sure when you're putting it together that you've got the slipper assembly lined up right. There's only one way that's right.

Monsterbrad

07-04-2005, 09:41 AM

Well the center of the slipper melted into the gear and got the gear hot enough that it wrecked the gears!
Need a new spur gear and I have to see if I can get it apart.
Also I have seen a few guys that race these trucks just bolt the spur right in with no slipper.
I was thinking about trying that.
Coth what do you think about this?

fuzzy2133

07-04-2005, 01:31 PM

Monsterbrad - when I was running a .26 in my truck I was using 12 slipper pegs and only backed the slipper tention off 1/8 of a turn from fully tight. You could also try using some sand paper on the slipper rings so they will have some better grip on the pegs.

RCfrodoRC

07-04-2005, 02:37 PM

i like the mgt but i want a truck that goes at least 40 mph like a t-maxx.

Monsterbrad

07-04-2005, 03:56 PM

i like the mgt but i want a truck that goes at least 40 mph like a t-maxx.
You are talkin about a T-crap here.
THis truck will go through a t-maxx with no problems stock.
THis truck might not be that fast stock but I can tell you that you will spend way less time working on it.
If you want to go faster get this truck and put a bigger engine in it and change the gearing down the road.
Trust me don't buy an out dated T-maxx
Best true monters are
MGT
LST
SAVAGE
those are the top three for all around bashing and maybe some racing!

MikeWz

07-04-2005, 05:12 PM

It's really dissapointing that everybody's concerned about Top-speed of a monster truck. If you're actually using an MT for what it's meant for, rarely will you hit top-speed. Only if you're running it on-road. If you're gonna be running on-road, get an on-road. If you're looking for speed, get a buggy.

metalry101

07-04-2005, 05:19 PM

For one, on a big track a slow truck will get lapped by a faster truck. Two, slow trucks don't jump as high or as far. Three, slow trucks aren't as impressive to your friends and such. I don't know why else. Speed isn't everything obviously, but it never hurts to have a fast truck. That said, I don't think the MGT is necessarily slow, but relative to a Revo or LST, it's not exactly a speed demon. It does accelerate well though, which is what's most important. In a wide open area the faster trucks are more fun.

kurrz

07-04-2005, 05:54 PM

Well guys I finally broke a part I'm on my fifth quart. This is one tough truck just not tough enough to ram my daughters swing set. LOL I must have hit the lower arm just right it snapped in 2 places. Not complaining just telling. If this were on of my other trucks it would have been alot worse. I don't race yet but, I just found a track about an hour away that races MT's I would think on a small track the MGTs acceleration would keep it in contention am I wrong?

metalry101

07-04-2005, 06:10 PM

Depends who you're racing against and such. A stock MGT does pretty well on acceleration for such a large truck, but an LST is stronger still, and it has a lower CG. It's a little heavier but it still handles better and accelerates better. So does a Revo. The TNX and Savage also accelerate better but handling is more arguable (not so much on a TNX, as it has beaten the Revo many times now). The MGT is a good race truck with proper mods but with all other things being equal, stock for stock it's going to be slower than most trucks around a track. Give an MGT a little more power and/or a very skilled driver and it can most certainly win. I think a properly modified MGT will be as fast as anything around a big track, and competent around a tight track, although not ideal due to it's extra wheelbase and such. It also depends on surface. Coth's track is fairly large but there isn't anything resembling traction to be had so extra horsepower doesn't do you any good. The smooth but rather weak powerband of the stock engine (and the O.S. RG) makes it easier for him to get around the track without looping out. The longer wheelbase also helps that, as it is less eager to rotate in the corners (a trait that hurts the MGT and other long trucks like the TNX and LST on small tracks). Anyways...the point is that it depends on conditions. An MGT with a good clutch, light weight tires, FOC, and a few other weight saving mods would probably keep up with most trucks around a tight track, especially if the driver was skilled.

smileyboy

07-04-2005, 06:30 PM

I have wondered about that myself. Why don't anyof the pros race the MGT? I just found a track too. It is about 15 min from my house. So I guess, I will be racing. Just curious.
Oh and about the speed thing. Evern real cars have been headed that way. Trucks use to be for farmers and people put lifts on them and they have been historically really slow. Now days you have BMW X5, ML55, Escalades, Ford Powerstrokes and the list goes on. So it would only be fitting we want trucks with speed and power. Right?

RCfrodoRC

07-04-2005, 09:09 PM

You are talkin about a T-crap here.
THis truck will go through a t-maxx with no problems stock.
THis truck might not be that fast stock but I can tell you that you will spend way less time working on it.
If you want to go faster get this truck and put a bigger engine in it and change the gearing down the road.
Trust me don't buy an out dated T-maxx
Best true monters are
MGT
LST
SAVAGE
those are the top three for all around bashing and maybe some racing!
I understand what your saying, me and my cousin both have electric rustlers and we race a lot. He's married and i'm fourteen and short on money so i need a fast cheap truck that can hold up good and has lots of hop ups for it. b/c he has the money to buy a good truck and hop it up a lot and i don't.

Cotharyus

07-05-2005, 07:27 AM

Monsterbrad - if youcan *really* drive that truck, you should be ok with that no-slipper thing. However, you will blow rear diffs at an alarming rate if you don't have just the right touch.

slaf

07-05-2005, 08:18 AM

For me the MGT's slipper is the weak point it's hard to adjust it. If slips too much, it'll melt the spur... I'd like to see RC10GT slipper type on a MGT

Monsterbrad

07-05-2005, 12:36 PM

well this is my basher !
So I an going to try to fix it and use the slipper just tighten it down alot.
I have had no issues with the truck till this point.
I do have a clicky rear diff but it's still going!
:)

RCfrodoRC

07-05-2005, 07:56 PM

i think i might get a mgt, b4 i said about a t-maxx and i still like them but i'm the only one who has posted on that forum since the 26th of june and it's kinda gay. I like how there r always poeple posting on here and you seem to be a good source of help and since i'm kinda new to nitro i think that would be better for me. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORKS MGT GUYS!

MikeWz

07-06-2005, 03:02 PM

Metal - Yes, a "slow" truck would get lapped by a "fast" truck on a big track. However, at 6-7 MPH difference (mgt with a FOC) as compared to the Savage and trucks of comparable speed, from my experience isn't a huge difference. When I first started racing, I had an old Traxxas Nitro hawk with the orginal TRX .15 engine. That put me a good 7+ MPH behind the guys running XXX-NTs and RC10s. On a mid-large track, I didn't really loose any ground to them, because I could accelerate slighly faster then them, and the power just started to die a little past mid RPMs. So I could get the jump out of the corner. I've found this to be the same with the MGT. If you have the correct tire/clutch set-up, you'll be able to get the jump out of the corners on the bigger trucks, and hang with the TNX. A revo would pretty much wreck it, but I haven't really been able to run against a revo yet so I can't say much for that truck. At over 30MPH, I've yet to come up with a jump set that I can't clear properly.

About the slipper set, I wish somebody would make something along the lines of the Robinson Racing slipper set for the T-maxx, or the Losi XXX-NT slipper. That would be awesome. Then, you could actually tune the slipper for traction, which is a HUGE plus

Monsterbrad

07-06-2005, 06:31 PM

I ran mine a little loose and toasted the spur gear!
got a new gear and i am running it like an 1/8th turn out from bottomed out.
Also
I am running a Mach with its stock pipe straight outa the LST.
With 49 tooth spur and a 17tooth clutch bell
this thing is pretty dang fast!!!!!

slaf

07-06-2005, 08:57 PM

I got bored of my Fantom pipe, which pipe do you run ? and did you really see a difference compared to the stock pipe ?

I ordered a XTM Mammoth pipe cause I heard very positive comment about this pipe and I want to try it. Also, I'm seriously considering going back to the stock pipe.

MikeWz

07-07-2005, 01:38 AM

The stock pipe will give you plenty of torque, but will die off in the mid-range because it's so restricting. If you're looking for a pipe with big performance you may want to check out an RB 063 or 086 pipe. They'll cost you over $100, but they're amazing pipes. Guys at a track I used to go to raced them on their buggies and they screamed when they put them on. Ofna makes them too, but IMO they're a bit more restrictive.
Why not give one of the Vantage pipes a try and let us know how they work ;)

slaf

07-07-2005, 04:45 AM

I'm not a big fan of Vantage CF pipes :( They are the best pipe if you wanna save few grams but I don't know how they perform and how they last...

fezzy

07-07-2005, 07:30 AM

I run an RB 063 on my MGT and it works great, The stock pipe allows the engine to produce more torque but the 063 all round is much better, Its got the better balance of bottom/mid/top, Mid/Top acceleration is vastly better.

Monsterbrad

07-07-2005, 06:18 PM

I have heard that the Jp-1 and the Jp-2 pipes are good also.
The 1 version is for torque and the other is for rpm's
depends on the engine you have and the track that you are runing on!

GTX

07-07-2005, 10:30 PM

Has anyone ported their MGT stock engine yet? I just bought my 2nd MGT and I want to buy another piston and sleeve to try. Also, the 063 pipe would be best? The Fantom pipes aren't great at all?

And what about the huge heat sink heads for the stock engine? Not the FT ones, but the ACNCM ones. Like this:

http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/82/3f/a2_1_b.JPG

http://hisham8.home.pipeline.com/mgt1.jpg

I think they're awesome looking and in the Texas heat, I could spare 50* off my run temp. Opinions?

metalry101

07-07-2005, 10:44 PM

Fantom pipes kick ass. From what I've heard the THS pipe is really good too. If you go THS you need the 1/8 on-road pipe.

fuzzy2133

07-08-2005, 01:17 AM

I like the fantom pipes I got one on the MGT, Mad Force and two more that I got off E-Bay for $25.00 each.

GTX - if you go with a larger head just keep in mind that you will not want to run the engine any leaner than what you would with the stock head. other than that I would have one myself if I was in a hotter area.

traxxas_fan101

07-08-2005, 01:55 AM

hey guys, i just got my mgt and i was wondering what mods/upgrades i should do first??

GTX

07-08-2005, 02:09 AM

Drive it :D The worst thing you can do is sit there and wrench on it. Go drive it until it breaks ;) Then upgrade.

Thanks for the tips on the pipes Metal and Fuzzy. I'll probably get a Fantom when I'm ready to upgrade.

As for the head - I'm gonna run the stocker for a little while and see how it does. I'm gonna get myself one of the cheaper heat guns to monitor everything so we'll see how it does for a week. I can report back to you guys on the differences though :D Anyone have a paticular temp guage they like?

Also, I just went through some old RCCA mags to look up the article on the MGT. Does anyone remember the weaknesses of the truck in stock form? I couldn't find the article in my stack haha :p

Chevy-SS: That's an awesome site with great information and research. Keep it up, I read every article just now :) Good stuff!