hackers for a clod? or bl in a losi

[losi racer13]

i was either thinking of getting 2 hacker motors for clod or gettin a novak bl in a xxx-t ...i just want to know what would be more fun so confuses :confused: :confused:

[cretin]

clod, man. don't blaspheme the monster truck forum with a stadium truck. can the hackers run in reverse? i'd like to see a nasty dual bl clod, the stock tires bouncing it all over the place at 40mph.

[Mr. Constructor]

be careful, a clod will NOT withstand the power unless it is (for exs.) totally pushed with aftermarket parts.
and to make shure that thing works you will need 2 motors and 2 esc´s as the motors will run 1x CW and 1x CCW so there is the MUST have of 2 esc´s and then 12 cells miniumum, the system will be very costly (around 400 minimum in the US, in europe it might be little cheaper)
So go for a good warrior LMT 7018/3 bec esc and a hacker B 50 or C 40 S series in that xxxt truck, it will be alot cheapier AND bigger fun, the driving times will go around 10-12 minutes and the power will be around a 6-8 T 540er motor !!
(depends on your choice !!)

[cretin]

the clod may not handle it for long, but i bet it'll take a lot more abuse than you give it credit for. i remember the rcca article back in 90 or so (just a WAG) where the clod with truck pull motors, a turbo zeta, and a buttload of cells pulled a jeep 2 feet before the stock platic gears blew apart. my previous post notwithstanding, you will have to get better tires and wheels. those stock parts just won't handle any real speed.

[Mr. Constructor]

The Clod IS only able to handle these power plants when an upgrading process is done that will be really huge !!
(the steel gear parts are a MUST have !!)
I use several motors now, and my biggest BL powered car is a 6th buggy and several 5th cars, and even in those, the power makes some parts a fast damage !!

as for a clod one thing has to be thought over:
the weight versus CG, this truck will not be able to reach very high speeds, due to following factors:
1. weight overall will be too high esp. with all these metal parts
2. gear ratio does not reach high speed, it is designed for torque
3. amp draw aof these motors will be very high, also the costs (as the esc´s have to be high amp versions
4. the cg is THAT high in this truck, it has to be elongated, or better the CG has to go down, both ways are not that easy

the thing is: this truck might be able to handle the bl power but at wich price ??

The truck will be too costly, i think if you wanna use the benefits of BL go for a simple conversion first (meaning the losi first) after the experience with that much higher speeds and power there will be a chance to put that "big-awful-tuck" together if you have the time, patience and money to do it !!

[lerningdriver]

you beat me to it "Mr." ... lol

definately the xxxt... getting the clod brushless will only give you massive tourque. it's just not made for speed.

[mavrick0]

The clod will handle the BL set up. What you will ended up killing is the 5x8 bearings in the tranny before any gears let go. This has been proven by a member with a mutant 6x6x6 clod and 3 BL systems running. The gears can hold up to a lot without needing to be changed to metal. But if you want to upgrade you can't get metal anymore however Hua at RC4WD.com now offers aluminum clod gears which is a lot less weight then the steel and wouldn't surprise me if they are all the much heavier then the nylon gears.

As for the gear ratio you don't need to do anything. I've raced my ripper with 10t-17t and never had to change the ratio. The clods are torque monsters but not as much as you think. And trust me with a pair of 10t, nailing the throttle from a dead stop and then jumping cars and ramps isn't very nice to the gears and I have yet to break one this way. In the 14 years I've had a clod I've only killed one gear and that was from a bad landing on one wheel with the throttle still wide open.

[cretin]

yep, a fast clod is a bad idea. do it anyway.

[Mr. Constructor]

@mavrick0:

The 6x6x6 Truck really gives me a interest, where can i find more datas on it, i saw a 5th scale 6x6x6 from new era models some time ago, but the price tag was really high : 19.000 USD !!!! (Ok,but it was really complete and weighting around 50 kg !!)

So the clod as a 6 wheeler will be a good thing too !!
Could you provide me with the adress in the net or any other features ??

Thanks a lot !

Greetings from Hamburg !!

[lerningdriver]

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/62960/Us52803.jpg

I know this guy has one, though I don't know where he got it:
http://community.webshots.com/album/100417241TpRSBw

EDIT: I just found this:

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99703&page=1&pp=40

[lerningdriver]

ok, here's some more stuff I found... gotta love google :p

http://www.mtsquad.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9
http://www.mtsquad.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=59http://www.mtsquad.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=29
http://www.mtsquad.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=131

[nitro13]

:eek: that thing is nice

nitro13,

[Mr. Constructor]

YEEESSSS those are the babes we wanna see !!
(the other ones are ven better . . . . .;-) )

Ok, joke away, these trucks really are big and nasty, i was thinking of building one out of a MAD Force, but for now i will stuck to a racing mad force, this enough work to do !! (elongating chassis and driveline parts a.s.o.)
but my plans are now getting to a real killer car, the basics are used from a real Quad !!!!
then pull the motor and the tranny (maybe not yet decided) apart and built in a 14 pole 4 kw BL motor wich might be fired up by 3-4 Liion cells out of the military sector (27 Ah !!! rating at a peak discharge of 400 A !!! no writing errors !!) then you should have more than enough power AND drivetime, only worst thing: (as ever, or mostly) the price, all parts together (electrics, and all machined parts (wich will be self made too) is around 3500 USD and up !!!!

AAAAARRRGHHHH !!

OK, the Quad will be the first thing to order, then driving a little around to check the datas BEFORE out, then re-doing almost the entire thing.

The Motor is a LRK BL Motor from Torcman (German Top Manufacturer, they wind on your specs !!) and this 630-25 beast will weight around 1,6 kg at a 4-5 KW power output !!!!

So i was intersted in how you will power such heavy weight cars, as my Mad force is BL too, but due to titanium and carbon everywhere it is lightweight as hell, so my datas are not really good for testing on super heavy cars like this one thought of.
(the weight will be around 50 Kg up !!)

But as for now, it seems to be that i am on the right way !!

Thanks alot for your help !!

Greetings from germany !!

[cretin]

a mad force racer? but (R) people here (C) will tell you that's (M) impossible. (T) good job! (.NET) how fast is it? a 6x6 would be super sweet if you could figure out how to do it.

[Mr. Constructor]

The "racer" isn´t that easy, but the car will be stretched by 30mm in lenght, around 20 in width and the cg will be lowered as much as possible (my motor (a hacker B 50 7 L) is narrower than the tranny now !! the 12 cells also !!

the servos where re- designed (the mounting position) and so everything should be OK to race it at very high speeds (several smaller changes are done too) as the front flip up under accleration falls apart (the weight is mostly up front, to get this effect killed and ensure a good steering !!

(the car is not fully ready for now, as i´m awaiting several carbon plates to get the weight even more out of it !! (and then having the opportunity to make it splashwater proof (wich could be oK in a race)

I will post pics a soon as the car will be ready (only small parts are missing)

[lerningdriver]

why don't you post some pics right now? it's fun to see the build-up process to it.

[Mr. Constructor]

I would do, but my entire truck is in several sections now, i plan the chassis plates now, the carbon plates should arrive the next few days, so everything should be right in order to begin the cutting process !!
(after this beeing done, i will take some pics and will post them, no problem, in my various other conversions to Bl i made a lot of "step" pics, but not with this one, i can´t remember why not, maybe the most changes are internal (new cvd´s all around, several Titanium parts, other linkage rods for the steering servo, other servo place, you´ll see most of the changes AFTER the new chassis plates have been cut.

See ya, greetings from germany (the plates shoud be done the next weekend, maybe i find some time to post pics even a few min. after the truck is ready !!)

[lerningdriver]

ok then, I look forward to seeing your work :)