How do I figure scale ?

[decoy706]

Just got back from used boat show(RC) with 3 boats I know nothing about.
#1 is a Cunard unfinished that is 46"L X 24"W what scale is it?
#2 is 36"L X 18"W U 76 Atlas Van Lines open cockpit (pickle fork)? what scale? Best of the 3 COMPLETE but doesn't want to run and I know NUTHING
#3 is 31"L X 14"W U 1 Pak & Pay old Allison type/min running gear was included. what scale?
Have pics I can send for better look.
Thanks for the help

[Hydro Junkie]

I've only heard of Cunard as a cruise line, could you be referring to a canard for boat number one? I would need pics to help on that one.
As for boats two and three, they are both, most likely, Dumas kits. If I'm right, the 31 inch is based on the 1974 Pay N' Pak, while the Atlas is based on the 1976 Atlas, bought by Bill Muncey from Pay N' Pak owner Dave Heerinsburger(Hope I Spelled his name right) after the 1975 season, making them the same boat. These are listed as STAND OFF scale for the 31" boat and SPORT 40 for the 36" boat. As for what scale they are, the 31" works out to approx 1/11 scale while the 36" works out to 1/9.5 scale. These boats are far from accurate models of the real thing. Just for the record, the real boat specs out as follows:
Length: 28 feet 6 inches
Width: 13 feet
Tunnel width: 6 feet 8 inches
Afterplane length*: 16 feet
Picklefork Depth*: 48 inches
Powerplant: Rolls Royce Merlin 1650 till sold by Bill Muncey to Madison Indiana after 1977 season. Repowered with a Turbo Charged Allison 1710 by Miss Madison crew in 1978 and used in this configuration till retired in 1988.
*Afterplane length is the distance from the back of the sponsons to the boat transom. The picklefork depth is the distance from the furthest point forward on the boat to the front of the ram wing, between the sponsons.
Just for the record, the U-25/1 Pride of Pay N' Pak ran as the Pak in 1973, 74, 75, and 77. It ran as the U-76 Atlas Van Lines in 1976. It ran as the U-6 Miss Madison from 1978 through 1988 as the Miss Madison, Holset/Miss Madison, American Speedy Printing, as well as several other sponsor names, till retired when the new cabover U-6 Holset/Miss Madison was ready at the end of the 1988 season. Hope all this info helps. If you could post the pics, as I said, I might be able to identify the other boat for you

[ahab2]

Hydro junkie lives up to his name again! where do ya get al that spesific info wow!!

[Hydro Junkie]

What's the matter, Ahab? Did I surprise you? All kidding aside, on this particular boat, much of it came from memory. Back in the early 70's, I was VERY ANTI BUDWEISER and VERY ANTI ATLAS VAN LINES. This primarily came from being an 11 year old kid that didn't like Bill Muncey's perceived "better than thou" attitude and Bernie Little's "I want it my way" ranting and raving. Therefore, I rooted for the local "favorite". As I lived in Des Moines, Federal Way and Auburn Washington, it was only natural to root for the Pay N' Pak, as their corporate office was in Kent WA, less than five miles away. Every August, I was glued to the TV(along with the rest of the family) watching the Pak and the Bud battle it out, while Atlas just struggled to keep up. Talk about upsetting, Mickey Remund went to the enemy Bud camp after a victorious '73 season with the Pak. Not to worry, George Henley took the Pak and soundly won the championships in 74 and 75. Then came the tragedy of 1976, Pay N' Pak was no more :eek: The once proud Pak was wearing the enemy "Atlas" colors :eek: After enduring the forgotten '76 season, the Pak was back. Don't remember who was driving, but our proud warrior had returned :D Unfortunately, so had the dreaded Muncey, with the NEW, state of the art, Atlas Van Lines Blue Blaster. The Pak was outclassed, and worse still, owned by the evil Muncey :( After the end of the season, the boat was sold to Madison Indiana, being driven by Ron Schnieder and E. Milner Ervin. I promptly became a fan of the Miss Madison, and through thick and thin, have been to this day :)
Source number two to all the info is the Hydroplane and Raceboat Museum, also based in Kent Washington. There are many artifacts, books full of newspaper articles and who knows what all else having to do with the boats, as well as several restored and waiting to be restored boats.
As for all the dimensions, those come from the R/C Unlimiteds Master Hull Roster. It gives almost all the info you would need to build a model hydro from scratch. Having plans helps, too. I have it good in that respect too. Newton Marine is only a phone call and about an hour driving time away. Sorry about the history lesson, but you did ask :D