Who's Runnin What?

[TOPSPEEDSRS4]

He People Was Up, Just Wanted To Get A Feel For What People Are Runnin, Im In Miami, Fl, Most Of Us Are Runnin Gas, Hpi's, Myself A Super Rs4 With A Novarrosi .21r Race With A 24 Tooth Pinion/ 37 Tooth Spur, Runnin The Ts04 Toyota Body, Runnin 60% O'donell Fuel. Wont Be Able To Make It Out To The Finals, But We Have Our Own, Tuesday's And Thursday's . The Fastest Of Us Is Runnin 98 Mph Gunned. Thats With The Regular Rs4, The Super's Are Around 96mph, The Crashes Are The Best!! I Was Wondering, Is It Going To Be Held In A Straight Line Or An Oval For The Top Speed Runs? Good Luck To All!! Slow People Suck

[NotWalkinBlind]

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167401

[CENthasizer]

I'm running a stock CEN TR-4, its got a huge .16 and a 2 speed where you can hear it change gears, it also has a cool AM radio, its so cool that when it gets up to speed the vibrations mess up the receiver so that the steering jerkes left and right.

anyways sarcasme aside i am doubtful that many people will tell what they are racing as its a very secretive event.... but i am not afraid....i have a TR-4.....

Watch out!

[skulnick7]

here is what ia m going to be racing in about 2 years, i am going to be working on this 4-tech over winter anyways here is the list of stuff i am going to get for it.

- Rb innovation custom super charger
- jag r/c custom nitrouse oxide system
- traxxas tuned pipe and header
- Rb innovations air intake
- rb innovation hypervalve fuel system
And to top it off i am going to be running traxxas's new 33% nitro, and
i am going to get the engine ported and polished. And for great stopping power i will have to buy a graphite disk brake or rig a parachute to it. And i figure this 4-tech will be like no other 4-tech ever. It will probably hal you know what. I figure it will go 150 plus mph. and 0-60 in about 2 seconds and it will run about 60,000 rpm.

Lets see what you people have to say about my idea, i will be the world record holder for nitro cars

[skulnick7]

oh yeah i forgot it is going to cost me only $400. E-mail me at peggystro@macatawa.com to just talk and i can give you info on were to get the superchargers and nitrouse oxide kits

[rpmmaxxed]

here is what ia m going to be racing in about 2 years, i am going to be working on this 4-tech over winter anyways here is the list of stuff i am going to get for it.

- Rb innovation custom super charger
- jag r/c custom nitrouse oxide system
- traxxas tuned pipe and header
- Rb innovations air intake
- rb innovation hypervalve fuel system
And to top it off i am going to be running traxxas's new 33% nitro, and
i am going to get the engine ported and polished. And for great stopping power i will have to buy a graphite disk brake or rig a parachute to it. And i figure this 4-tech will be like no other 4-tech ever. It will probably hal you know what. I figure it will go 150 plus mph. and 0-60 in about 2 seconds and it will run about 60,000 rpm.

Lets see what you people have to say about my idea, i will be the world record holder for nitro cars


:D :D :D 150mph...LOL

[fs454]

Yeah, the only thing that will be going 150mph is the engine head when it blows off the engine...Nitrous on these isn't a good idea.

[mgs9]

Hey I just thought of an idea. What if you were to take a small tank of pure oxygen and rig it up to run half out side air and half pure O2. For one the air would be forced into the engine.
What do you guys think do you think it would run better with pure oxygen

[BPPSupermaxx]

I am fron Tampa, looks like the supers will be representin. HPI Super RS4 Electric. Other than that. Details are limited. Cell could will be anywhere from 10-16 on a brushless motor.

[RS4rally1124]

im from MI and am actually workin with a few guys all over the us cause i myself cant go. my new company (NWR New wave racing) i am personally entering a fwd dragger and a rail micro just for fun. now i wish i had a supernitro though. im thinkin of converting my nmt2 that i rebuilt stock (with leftover parts from a custom job on what used to be a nmt2 into an onroad shaft sn. idk u think itd do alright??

JT

[microrcdude]

I am trying to work out the details, but i can not tell what cars im running at this point(undercover cars)

[RS4rally1124]

lol hes runin xmods u guys watch out

JT

[SOCALNITRO]

24.7 blocks.

[Savageoner]

I never knew there was 60% nitro?

[Craps]

If everybody knew what I was running they would not bother to show up and I would be the only one there! :D

[Wizardman_1]

Right........

[Craps]

I am hoping to pick up the chassis next week and will start on the power system as soon as I fabricate the drive train that can withstand close to 50 hp. Aerodynamics will be the last thing and the easiest part to work out for whatever track they choose, it will adapt to it with full adjustablity to either high downforce oval or a low drag straight a way!

[Chrisby]

is there such a thing as nitrous oxide to fit to a nitro r/c car??

if so where would i be able to get my hands on some
Cheers, Chrisby

[tec_41]

is there such a thing as nitrous oxide to fit to a nitro r/c car??

if so where would i be able to get my hands on some
Cheers, Chrisby

Don't even bother :rolleyes:

[Apostolis]

Hey I just thought of an idea. What if you were to take a small tank of pure oxygen and rig it up to run half out side air and half pure O2. For one the air would be forced into the engine.
What do you guys think do you think it would run better with pure oxygen

There's no classification for remote controlled bombs I'm afraid ;)

No but seriously, oxygen is too dangerous to mess with, and you going to put that on a nitro engine? Don't even think about it, the moment you start it up the tank will explode. :p

is there such a thing as nitrous oxide to fit to a nitro r/c car??

if so where would i be able to get my hands on some
Cheers, Chrisby

I am sure that it will simply pierce through the piston. Let alone the fact that you can't just let it flow with the fuel, you will have to make your own head for the engine and design a way to spray the nitrous. Like tec 41 said, don't bother.

[Toyotatogo]

He People Was Up, Just Wanted To Get A Feel For What People Are Runnin, Im In Miami, Fl, Most Of Us Are Runnin Gas, Hpi's, Myself A Super Rs4 With A Novarrosi .21r Race With A 24 Tooth Pinion/ 37 Tooth Spur, Runnin The Ts04 Toyota Body, Runnin 60% O'donell Fuel. Wont Be Able To Make It Out To The Finals, But We Have Our Own, Tuesday's And Thursday's . The Fastest Of Us Is Runnin 98 Mph Gunned. Thats With The Regular Rs4, The Super's Are Around 96mph, The Crashes Are The Best!! I Was Wondering, Is It Going To Be Held In A Straight Line Or An Oval For The Top Speed Runs? Good Luck To All!! Slow People Suck

First .....
How many feet does it take you to reach 97 miles per hour with the super nitro rs4 .......?

Second Question.....
How do you manage to keep the car from going airborne at those speeds? The Toyota GT-1 Body is very unstable at highspeeds .... *Heck* I couldn't go past 75 without going sky high...

Third
What type of tire compound are you using (Foam, Rubber)???

Your post brings back memories ...... :( I miss my Super Nitro

My Super back in the day yr.2002........!!!!
http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL320/1049490/3624126/74966584.jpg

Spec:
Engine: SX21 Novamega EVO5MS
Pipe: 9886 RB Black Coated
Gear Box: 1st.19/41 2nd.23/37 sometimes 24/37
Tires: RJ Rides 35 Hards 4x
Body: GT-1

I retired mine due to the reason I never found a rubber tire solution that was sturdy enough to handle speeds over 70 miles per hour. I got tired of spending $$$$ on tires and broken body shells from tires exploding..... lol OH WELL ... !!! :(

[mgs9]

Lol don't wory about me blowing Apostolis ;) I was just thinking. I was just thinking about how nitrous work and it has to do with the breaking down of Nitrogen and **Oxygen** and it just came to my mind what if you ran pure O2 to begain with. Why would it blow up though? Oxygen *is not flamable* it only helps things burn, so how would it blow up? Now the engine would probbly fry.
Dosn't matter any way, im not going to try.

[TMaxxBenny25]

one word to all yall



wow...

[Oldman]

When it comes to trying Nitrous or injecting O2,there isn't any glow plug on the planet that will not pop after it turns white hot around 10 seconds of glory!

[StevePond]

I plan on running something nitro powered. I don't want to give away exactly what I'm working on, but the big challenges are going to be the tires and getting horspower to the gound. When you're running at lust 100 mph, the car is moving at 150 feet per second. It's only a matter of seconds before the car is a small spec on the horizon and in danger of going out of radio range. So, it doesn't really matter if it's in a straight line, putting power to the ground FAST is going to be paramount. It will be interesting to see what everyone comes up with. ;)

[StevePond]

P.S. I dusted off the old HPI Super with the kevlar belted tires. I may bring it along for someone else to drive.

[kwong2001]

Well i'll be running an RS4 2 with a RB Concepts C5 Circuit....sadly, it'll seem like i'm copying steve on his super nitro, since it'll be a miniature version of his :(

[StevePond]

There's nothing wrong with that. Just because it has a big block and four tires doesn't mean it's a copy. Besides, who cares if people show up with similar cars? This is about going fast and having fun. :D

[kwong2001]

lol, true, but i'll pretty much be running the same car. I mean, i've got almost all the wolf pack radical parts, i'll use almost all the buy HPI parts....as well as the robinson racing parts (except not so much custom parts)...

but yes this is for fun

[Toyotatogo]

kevlar belted tires.

plz, plz, plz make me 2 pairs of these ...... I need them :D ..... I don't want to pull out the sewing maching ... :( I don't even know what to do once I pull out the sewing maching??? :confused: I need those wonderful tires.....

Man I've called, emailed, stood outside of Jaco and I haven't been able to get any infomation on specs or instructions, or just a glimpse of one tire .... :(

plz, plz, plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...... !!!!!! lol

[TrickSpeed]

1/12th, dual 9 turn motors, 12 cells. I hope they have a "most spectacular crash" category, 'cause I'll probably win it.

[nitrosportrules]

location of RC "nitro": www.jagrc.com
location of supercarger: http://www.rbinnovations.com/catalog/index.php

[nitrosportrules]

oh yeah and O2 is extemley flamable duh!!!

[kwong2001]

I have yet to find someone who can get the nitrous to work properly. From everything i've read, you get very little gain and tuning is HORRIBLE. Also, i heard the glow plugs don't really take too well to the NAWZ.

For the supercharger, i don't think anyone has proven any gain from it on a 2-stroke. It just doesn't make sense on a 2-stroke.

You're really better off just getting a quality hand modified engine.

[mgs9]

Oxygen is not flamable. It just helps things burn.
If oxygen were flamable, the first person to strike a match would burn up the atmosphere.
C8H18 + O2 --> CO2 + H2O <= that is the combustion formula for gasoline
There has to be another element with O2 for it to combust.

[StevePond]

This isn't going to turn into another damn "NAWWWWWWS " debate. End of conversation. We can't get away from these stupid arguments even when the thread is totally unrelated. :rolleyes:

[TrickSpeed]

haha, crack that whip steve!

*ducks out of the way*

I meant at them!! :D

Back on topic:

It seems that alot of people are more than glad to tell you what they are running, but no one wants to post pictures. What gives? Is everyone running an RS4-2 chassis or something ;) I would post a pic, but there is not much to take a pic of, its all in pieces right now.

[kwong2001]

Give me about 1.5-2 months and i'll post pictures that give you a better idea of what it'll look like. I'm saving like crazy to get it done and buy all the support equipment. As of right now, it's not impressive.

Below is a picture. Pretty much all the aluminum and robinson racing parts shown will be replaced with new parts.

http://www.rcnitrotalk.com/gallery/data/500/657DSCN0854.JPG

[Toyotatogo]

Hey Steve Pond ..... can you help me with tires? :D I want what your running the best.

<----- persistent :)

So how much do I have to pay for 2 pairs ...

[kwong2001]

What's the advantage of kevlar belted tires over just running foams? Is it weight?

Cuz i'd still like to stop good, and rubber tires do not work well in that dept. IMO

[microrcdude]

Well, they hold up much better than regular tires since they are more rigid.

[TMS]

Toyotatogo , have you considered running foams? wolfpack radicals has a conversion kit for the super nitro to run 1/8 scale foams.
link: (http://www.wolfpackradicals.com/)

Steve, I've read the article on the AE speedruns with electric cars. Would your run with the HPI car be considered the fastest documented speed for a nitro car?

[Toyotatogo]

Well were I run in (parking lots) foam tires don't offer the amount of traction a rubber tire can. Foam tires work eg. designed for clean, and treated race tracks. Running on ice is like trying to run foam tires at a parkinglot. Rubber Capped Kevlar Belted Slicks are the one and only way to go if your using a Super Nitro.

Come on Steve ....... :) help me out .... ;)

[traxxas_rulez]

Hey im runnin a HPI Savage with 8 wheels powered by two three speed trannys and quad engines. I'm running tests, and i'm hitting maybe 210 mph.

[kwong2001]

Hey im runnin a HPI Savage with 8 wheels powered by two three speed trannys and quad engines. I'm running tests, and i'm hitting maybe 210 mph.

Don't even bother posting here.

[traxxas_rulez]

why can't I post

[Toyotatogo]

bahahahahahahaha ........ o man .... :D

That was tooooooooo funny .... :eek: hahahahaha

[traxxas_rulez]

you don't believe me. I'll see you at the competition.

[kwong2001]

why can't I post

Because your 4 engine savage ain't got nothing on my daily driven turbine powered 1:1 corolla. I'm easily hitting speeds of 250mph in the 1/4, and that's without my 700 shot of nitrous in the radiator. I got a 4 cylinder rotary small block with a vtec on the crank. Let me tell you, when some ricers rolls up next to me, it's over. The turbines' titanium valve spring injectors really makes this german engineered car MOVE.

you don't believe me. I'll see you at the competition.

Okay great, i'll see you there. But in the meantime, maybe you should show some pictures of this great machine. Let me guess, you don't have a digital camera? Or is it broken? Well if you can build such a great machine like that, you could afford a $150 digital camera.

[TrickSpeed]

why can't I post

because we are trying to have a (semi) serious discussion here. If you are just gonna post some made up crap and not contribute anything useful, you're wasting everyones time. You are running tests, and you are hitting MAYBE 210. How can you hit "maybe 210", i've never seen a radar gun, GPS, or any other speed measuring device that had "maybe" as part of displayed speed.

I will be there, and I will be taking video, so feel free to bring your speed monster and prove us all wrong.

But why wait until then? I looked at your website, saw the photos of a stock looking savage. So you must have a digital camera. Go ahead and post up your pics so you shut us all up. C'mon. Besides, you crashed you ruslter going 40 (ha) into a curb. You must have really improved your skills to contol a 210mph land rocket.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

[traxxas_rulez]

First of all the speed is an average. I am hitting 210 most of the time. Secondly I crashed me rustler because it had a signal falure, and thats not my fault. And thirdly those were pics of what the guy took that sold me the savage and the other one of the rustler was from my no longer friends camera.

[Toyotatogo]

When you say 210 do you mean 210 k/hr (kilometers an hour)?

I wasn't laughing at your idea, but just how it was written and the response after .... lol :D

[traxxas_rulez]

K/HR, but do you believe that it is true because it is.

[kwong2001]

So you're doing what? 150mph? No one is going to believe you until you post pictures. And possibly a video. Also, tell us the weight, gear size throughout the entire car, as well as how you measured these 210kph runs. How'd you manage to machine all the parts? How old are you

Oh wait, are we talking about scale? So you did about 26kph, but after converting it to full size, it's a 210kph truck scale wise? This contest doesn't have a handicap or anything. It's how fast the car ACTUALLY went.

[TrickSpeed]

Okay, so how are you figuring out your speed? Radar? GPS? the Psychic Network???

And what engines, trannys, and gearing are you running? And what truck tire are you running that holds up at 210 mph (or kph whichever you make your mind up on). You must have very rich parents, or would you like to explain how a 13 year old can afford all of the stuff, plus the trip to the challenge (its in his profile).



But back on the topic, what percentage fuel are you guys going to run?

And toyotatogo, maybe Steve will let you borrow the tires to make a few runs.

[kwong2001]

I'm gonna start with 30%, but i'll probably bring 40% to the challenge.

[traxxas_rulez]

I was just mesin with u man. I'm so sorry I didn't meen for it to get so out of wack. But my parents don't pay for anything I pay for it by delivering news papers. Only thing my parents do is give me some money so I can buy the thing, and then I pay them back.

[kwong2001]

There are people on here who are genuinly commited to building and/or helping other build their speed cars. You make a mockery of everyone of them, including me. Save the bandwidth, and people's time and energy, and never post in this section of the forum ever again. Don't even reply to this message.

Thank you, and good day.

[traxxas_rulez]

I said sorry man I didn't know you would go wack on me. I would love to be able to build a speed truck like you guys, but I don't have the experience that you do. I'm sorry

[TrickSpeed]

dude, like i said the first time, dont waste everyone's time with made up stuff (and since you kept denying the fact that your wonder savage didn't exist we had to call your bluff). no hard feelings, we just dont enjoy the bs in this section (this isnt off topic).

As for tires, does anyone know at what speed running rubber becomes a bad idea? Maybe alot of tire glue would help with it. What kind of shoes is everyone running a 10th scale going to run on their ride?

[kwong2001]

I'm not trying to be an ass, and i'm not mad. But this forum is here to help people in some way or another. Please understand there's way too many kids out there with no clue about speed. Big claims and nothing to back it up. It's pointless to go in and completely lie about something. Especially when there's people who have put a lot of time, money and engineering into their cars to attempt to do what most will never come close to.

That's great you show an interest in what we're doing. If you'd like to build something that goes really fast, or just have questions, post a thread and ask away. People will help you. Or you can just read some people's posts. You'd be amazed at how much knowledge you will gain. I've learned so much in the past month, and I know i'll have a better chance of hitting triple digit speeds because of this forum.

Whatever you do, be productive in some way. Gain knowledge and pass it on, that's what R/Cing is all about.

[kwong2001]

As for tires, does anyone know at what speed running rubber becomes a bad idea? Maybe alot of tire glue would help with it. What kind of shoes is everyone running a 10th scale going to run on their ride?

Well I don't see them unhooking from the wheels if they are properly glued. More than anything, they'll probably balloon up. Maybe there's a way to add CA glue to the inside of the tire to strengthen it? But you would have a problem of the tire being off balanced.

Anyhoo, I planned on running some sort of hard compound foam on my RS4 2, but after hearing about kevlar belted tires, i may look into it as an alternative.

[ducati777]

So on my monster trucks I'll use duct tape on the inside of the tire to make a fake radial... it works at 40 mph.... But if you do that to a touring car tire, I'd probably want to balance it afterwards... I'm thinkin you could use a prop/wheel balancer to balance your wheels...

I have no idea if tape on the inside will hold at xxx. Hmmmm how about testing wheels, all you need is a known good rpm. Like a power drill... lemme see....

[ducati777]

120 mph on a 2 inch tire requires 20168 rpm at the wheel. A dremel spins 30k, if you found a dremel with a speed control, and could ramp it up to maybe 4/5 power with wheel attached you could see if the wheel would come apart. All disclaimers apply here, blowing up a wheel is dangerous and take precautions.

[kwong2001]

Well they do make wheel balancers specifically designed for our cars. It's basically a smaller version of airplane prop balancers.

For the whole dremel thing, that wouldn't be a bad idea for initial testing. But I wonder how much force the ground will have on the tire when actually running the car. Especially when you factor in the pressure from downforce.

Initial R&D can be with the dremel, but you'll still need to do much of the testing driving the car itself.

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I like the idea of using foam tires since there's no chance of them ballooning, but it's quite possible the plastic rims won't be able to stand up to the force and could start flexing. Perhaps the solution is some custom ordered foam tires mounted on titanium wheels?

[ducati777]

I agree, I'd expect the plastic wheel to flex quite a bit as well. Aluminum wheels and foam tires would probably be the best setup. But lumi rims are usually stupidly expensive.

Hmmm weight and downforce.. I'd think thats pressing the tire into the ground, which pushes up onto the tire, possibly counteracting some of the centripetal force... Hmmmm I'm trying to remember if we ever did this problem in physics.... Dang, thats a good question, I just don't know what I'd expect...

[kwong2001]

Yeah, any type of metal rim will be expensive, but if you really think about the cost for everything to even make it possible to be competitive, it's not THAT much. Maybe we could get a group buy and get hardcore racing to make the rims then send them over to a foam tire manufacturer for the rubber?

Pretty sure the forces on the tire would be pretty extreme, and with tires, if you do any reinforcement, it better be something that won't crack. Also, you have to think about the added rotating mass that will most surely be on the outter part of the wheels.

[TrickSpeed]

Well I did the dremel test. I took it up to 20,000 rpm, and it balooned to about the size of a 2.2 buggy wheel/tire combo. It stayed glued, but it really grew in size. Didn't go up to 35k because I'm sure it would have either come unglued or torn open. However, tire balance wasn't much of an issue at 20,000 rpm.

[Snakedude24]

Well, I finally made my first speed run with a radar gun. It clocked in at an impressive 98 mph, which I am actually very happy with, considering I'm only 15, on a limited budget, and have only been in the hobby 2 years. Wish I could make it out, but my parents... Oh yeah, since everyone loves details...

Chassis: AE TC3 FT
Engine(s): 2 Novak S5800 Brushless
Batteries: 16 3600 Orion Matched Pack Cells
ESC: 2 Stock (come with the Novak SS 4300)
Tires: Belted Kevlar (have a friend who is into tire making)
Body: Still working on it.... Used a Alfa Romeo - not the best. Any suggestions?

The setup isn't exactly pretty, what with 2 big-arsed Novaks, but I hope to get a video and/or pics up soon. It took a hell of a lot of rewiring, but my dad's an electrician, so it was rather easy. If you all have any questions, feel free to ask, or suggest tweaks.

Was bored, so I thought I would add some details as to setup. Each axle is controlled by a Novak - thus, the car is less susceptible to flipping from being lightweight. I also positioned most of my batteries (about 2/3) biased towards the front, so once again, the wind (hopefully) won't catch my front end as easily. I have flipped over a bunch of times, and have just stopped running with painted shells. This is putting a major dent in my bank account tho, and to get over 110mph will probably take more money than I have currently.

Thank you, and good luck at the Speed Challenge

[TMaxxBenny25]

You gusy make my head spin like a top...

[kwong2001]

Well, I finally made my first speed run with a radar gun. It clocked in at an impressive 98 mph, which I am actually very happy with, considering I'm only 15, on a limited budget, and have only been in the hobby 2 years. Wish I could make it out, but my parents... Oh yeah, since everyone loves details...

Chassis: AE TC3 FT
Engine(s): 2 Novak S5800 Brushless
Batteries: 16 3600 Orion Matched Pack Cells
ESC: 2 Stock (come with the Novak SS 4300)
Tires: Belted Kevlar (have a friend who is into tire making)
Body: Still working on it.... Used a Alfa Romeo - not the best. Any suggestions?

Thank you, and good luck at the Speed Challenge


Can you post some pictures of your setup? Also, what kind of body are you running? Got a link?

[Snakedude24]

Can you post some pictures of your setup? Also, what kind of body are you running? Got a link?

AS stated, I tried running an Alfa Romeo, didn't work. No pics yet, because I haven't gotten around to taking them, and no link, no website.

[rpmmaxxed]

Once you get pics taken, setup a free account at picturetrail.com. Then post them here.

[Toyotatogo]

Twin .18TZ on a Super Nitro Chassis ..... hmmmm? sounds interesting ....

Lightweight chassis, high hp, and high rpms = fast faST FAST :D

[moho]

hey guys i just was thinking after i stopped by at rbinnovations.com about buying the nitrous and supercharger system to put on my .21 gs racing 2 stroke nitro car, i have 80% experience with r/c cars especially with the nitros but i was going to ask you knowledgable people about what you think if it is a waste of time or not. oh by the way im an aussie from australia

[Cadillac Man]

Just my 2 cents...

Nitrous on an engine this small is a waste of time. Just adds to the cool factor of the car. Dito on the supercharger.

If your really serious about gaining HP and RPM's you need to concentrate on the mechanical side of the engine. Porting and polishing does wonders. Also study up on different fuels and how to tune the engine accordingly. I would look at diesel conversions. There is a few out there that specialize in diesel conversions. This can easily add thousands of RPM's with a modest investment and some reading. If you went with a diesel conversion the supercharger would be a good decision. Diesels are based on compression for ignition so the supercharger would increase the compression and assist in higher RPM's.

Don't forget about the bearings. Ceramic bearings do absolute miracles!

[fasterthanspeed]

You guys know this thread is about a year old right?

[Mod Man]

Try 2 and 1/2 years old! ;)

Matt

[Cadillac Man]

So.... lol

Nothing wrong with digging up the past. :p

[Mod Man]

So.... lol

Nothing wrong with digging up the past. :p

No kidding. Have you read this thread from the beginning? This thread was begun pretty much pre-brushless (at the very beginning of brushless use) and VERY pre lipo. :)

Matt

[Cadillac Man]

You know, I never even read this thread until you said something. :)

I agree, we should put this one back in it's grave.