1/8 offroad 2004 Worlds

[rccardude04]

Nobody had a thread going yet so I started one in the Nitro forum, then this opened so I'm putting it in here (feel free to delete the Nitro forum version :))
Anyway, speculation as to who will be this years champ? Will the Kyosho tradition continue? Or will one of the underdogs conquer the dog catcher?
Please no bashing, yelling, insulting, or any kind of harassment. Thanks :)
-Eric

[FlashLCD33]

HB Lightning Pro2 is going to sweep it..

[OldskoolGT]

Kyosho has some awesome drivers (Tebo, Pavidas, Kortz, Degani), but I think Hobao (AKA OFNA) has a really good shot at winning because one of their drivers literally owns the track.

[Fidelio]

my money is on pavidis or tebo.

[rcdave3]

I am pulling for Taylor James to win it. He races at my home track (www.real-rc.com) and drives one of the new Thunder Tiger S3's. But if he doesn't I hope it is one of the Mugen guys preferrably Ashton. :)

[atm92484_3]

I think its Smartech's year to win...;)

It will defiently be an interesting race with MP777's, XB8's, and X5 Prospecs going head to head; basically a huge manufacturer battle for who has the best, newest toy.

[1822]

I think its Smartech's year to win...;)


Thank you for the laugh. ;) :D

I think its going to be Kyosho again. The HoBao and Hot Bodies stuff won't last an hour so they don't matter, and I don't think Xray and Mugen have the drivers. If Degani or HoBao win I will cut my wrists. :eek: :D

[rcguy2477]

I personally think xray has a good chance with thier new buggy. They design some awsome stuff thats almost impossible to break. I am sure they will come up with some world class drivers by then.

[rccardude04]

Now that everyone's said something, I'm personally pulling for Mugen (Specifically Ashton). I think they've probably got the best shot outside of Kyosho.
One of the OFNA drivers owns the track? Is that really fair??
-Eric

[C.J.OO]

Young Jarad Tebo Is looking particularly strong this year I think Uichi Kanai Has had his day..I would really like to see Tebo Get this under his belt It would be like another Kinwald story...But I think Pavidis May just be this years No.1...what do you think.?...

[OldskoolGT]

Now that everyone's said something, One of the OFNA drivers owns the track? Is that really fair??
-Eric

Mikael Palsson is a Hobao sponsored driver. He owns the Furulund track where the 2004 worlds is being held at. Its also mostly concrete, so the layout can't really be changed much either.

It would not surprise me at all if local Swedish drivers were to sweep the podium. The homefield advantage is huge.

[C.J.OO]

I agree But if the american guy get enough down time on the track before the Big one then Look out...I think The Aussies Need to be represented Who wants to sponcer Me.?. anyone.? Steve.?.I'd love a chance to see the real deal in first person..lol.

[FlashLCD33]

LP2 won't last an hour? What the hell are you smoking? PASS DAT STUFF!

It already won a big race when it was brand new out..

[1822]

C'mon, its ok to be proud of the car you own but lets be realistic. Anyone who has experience with most buggies would N E V E R go into a world championship race with a Hobao, TTR, Hot Bodies, Duratrax or other basher buggy. The ones that will be racing those buggies are getting paid to race them. Take all the money away and see what happens then. ;)

Its nothing personal just my opinion based on a lot of experience with a lot of buggies.

[kojak61]

I hope a Storm come through on them, but realisticlly I think Tebo or Pavidis using a K car will win.

[tnxfan]

i hope ofna wins but i think kyshow will win.....again

[rcdave3]

C'mon, its ok to be proud of the car you own but lets be realistic. Anyone who has experience with most buggies would N E V E R go into a world championship race with a Hobao, TTR, Hot Bodies, Duratrax or other basher buggy. The ones that will be racing those buggies are getting paid to race them. Take all the money away and see what happens then. ;)

Its nothing personal just my opinion based on a lot of experience with a lot of buggies.

Have you seen one of the new Thunder Tiger S3's? It is definately not a basher buggy. ;)

[philadater]

All the latest news from the worlds can be found at www.neo-buggy.net
and specifically www.neo-buggy.net/worlds.htm

I think Daniel Vega could take it

[RCMadMatt]

Ofna will win.

Matt

[MurcielagoR-GT]

Will the Team Xray XB8 be there? If so they get my vote for the win! ;)

[rcboy201]

it will either be mugen or kyosho, probably Tebo with his MP777

[RCMadMatt]

Ofna will win. Again. :p

Matt

[TC3Racer]

I'm hoping Atsushi Hara will step it up with the HB L2 Pro and show those guys up but if Kanai is gonna be their then my money is on him and his Kyosho crew.

[rcboy201]

yes kanai will be there

[C.J.OO]

Hes had his day Move over and let the Next K generation open up a whole new can of whoop @.S.S.....lol.

[rcboy201]

i would like to see mugen win it, but i dont think they have the drivers to do it

[dylan]

is Kyosho racing K3's or 777SP1s?

[rcboy201]

probably the 777's

[OldskoolGT]

Mugen will be in the thick of things. Back in 2002 they took second and third. With drivers like Ashton, Bradley, and Osaka, they definitely don't have a shortage of qualified drivers.

[RCMadMatt]

Go, Josh Wheeler!!!

Matt

[FLYBOY7]

i think Josh is gonna take the win as well.... he has the talent for sure...

[philadater]

new video and pictures from wednesday.
videos of palsson, aigoin, leblanc doing a pit stop, wheeler, and peris

www.neo-buggy.net

[StevePond]

I checked the site from the track and after round four, Pavidis driving OS-powered Kyosho 777 is top qualifier over Jeremy Kortz, who is driving a Werks/Picco powered 777. Tomorrow will be the last two rounds.

http://www.frck.org/VM-2004/track.htm

1. Mark Pavidis 18 10.25.40 18 10.11.84 18 10.28.02 18 10.07.78
2. Jeremy Kortz 18 10.25.12 18 10.21.09 18 10.23.83 18 10.09.72
3. Magnus Amilon 17 10.00.07 18 10.14.28 18 10.23.25 18 10.16.56
4. Daniel Vegas Frias 18 10.33.50 18 10.19.52 18 10.26.92 18 10.12.33
5. Linus Thern 17 10.09.85 18 10.15.49 18 10.18.69 18 10.12.55
6. Davide Tortorici 18 10.34.53 18 10.22.24 18 10.21.72 18 10.28.75
7. Guillaume Vray 17 10.03.94 18 10.27.96 18 10.20.17 18 10.22.89
8. Daniel Reckward 17 10.03.83 18 10.24.12 18 10.24.54 18 10.25.36
9. Mikael Pålsson 17 10.15.96 18 10.16.18 18 10.14.87 18 10.20.05
10. Jerome Sartel 17 10.03.28 18 10.29.32 18 10.29.98 18 10.12.62
11. Chad Bradley 18 10.27.14 17 10.08.88 18 10.20.51 18 10.20.83
12. Jason Ashton 17 10.02.50 18 10.28.43 18 10.30.31 18 10.20.66
13. Ryan Cavalieri 17 10.17.17 18 10.17.64 18 10.27.54 18 10.09.83
14. Kris Moore 17 10.04.14 18 10.32.36 18 10.25.15 18 10.28.98
15. Jared Tebo 18 10.34.50 18 10.22.39 18 10.28.70 17 10.07.95
16. Yannick Aigoin 18 10.31.59 18 10.09.69 18 10.11.60 16 9.12.97
17. Raul Peris Eugenio 17 10.06.39 18 10.26.55 18 10.32.89 18 10.30.66
18. Joseph Quagraine 17 10.04.83 18 10.27.43 18 10.25.82 17 10.08.73
19. Greg Degani 18 10.35.51 18 10.37.93 18 10.32.59 17 10.00.16
20. Atsushi Kawamoto 17 10.17.06 18 10.28.34 17 10.04.82 18 10.24.37
21. Adam Drake 17 10.14.70 18 10.33.15 18 10.31.11 18 10.33.29
22. Adrien Bertin 17 10.08.69 18 10.14.16 17 10.00.57 17 10.16.30
23. Borja Hernandez Cordoba 17 10.07.39 18 10.14.80 18 10.21.38 16 10.00.28
24. Jon Hazelwood 17 10.13.36 18 10.28.40 18 10.29.84 17 10.08.75
25. David Crompton 17 10.15.65 17 10.01.79 18 10.29.13 18 10.31.48
26. Bob Tillman 17 10.03.36 17 10.05.72 17 10.10.05 17 10.01.01
27. Yuuichi Ajishi 17 10.01.61 17 10.08.34 17 10.09.69 17 10.01.67
28. Kenji Osaka 17 10.15.25 17 10.04.22 17 10.00.62 18 10.30.59
29. Yuuichi Kanai 17 10.17.62 17 10.14.25 18 10.24.48 18 10.29.53
30. Samuele Lenzi 16 9.47.07 18 10.34.12 18 10.26.50 18 10.30.45
31. Tommy Chung 17 10.14.04 17 10.00.38 17 10.01.62 17 10.01.99
32. Kevin Moore 17 10.18.32 18 10.28.71 17 10.14.11 18 10.30.69
33. Adrian Mayoral 17 10.15.91 17 10.01.69 18 10.33.15 17 10.11.17
34. Michael Sharwin 17 10.17.45 18 10.42.12 17 10.05.09 17 10.02.17
35. Robert Gustavsson 17 10.11.58 17 10.00.27 17 10.13.23 17 10.07.12
36. Robert Batlle 17 10.00.30 18 10.19.16 15 10.22.78 18 10.26.27
37. Miquel Matias 17 10.07.07 14 8.04.32 18 10.22.71 18 10.21.38
38. Fabio Boero 17 10.14.62 17 10.16.81 18 10.34.16 17 10.02.92
39. Philippe Lachat 17 10.04.21 18 10.29.07 16 10.31.77 18 10.28.32
40. Tim Breniker 17 10.20.89 18 10.30.94 17 10.23.19 17 10.02.21
41. Jim Davis 17 10.20.97 17 10.11.00 18 10.33.77 17 10.12.50
42. Alex Laffranchi 17 10.21.51 17 9.58.30 17 10.12.09 17 10.11.60
43. Bill Hagen 17 10.26.79 17 10.13.18 17 10.00.46 17 10.02.34
44. Jonas Eriksson 17 10.17.52 17 10.12.96 17 10.15.52 17 10.05.65
45. Andreas Bartels 17 10.16.62 17 10.12.93 17 10.12.52 17 10.16.89
46. Dean Sexton 17 10.10.58 17 10.14.23 17 10.21.46 17 10.18.50
47. Magnus Pålsson 17 10.14.70 18 10.32.05 13 10.00.29 18 10.30.43
48. Ronny Arnesen 17 10.16.50 17 10.05.65 17 10.26.52 17 10.19.16
49. Eugene Hickerson 17 10.32.59 17 10.14.87 17 10.08.20 17 10.08.73
50. Taylor James 16 10.13.45 17 10.18.96 17 10.06.28 18 10.24.41
51. Renaud Savoya 18 10.33.22 18 10.31.61 16 10.21.14 16 10.16.83
52. Timo Jalas 17 10.20.42 17 10.01.75 16 10.32.43 17 10.00.15
53. Joshua Wheeler 17 10.16.86 1 42.19 18 10.31.41 18 10.26.95
54. Marty Korn 17 10.05.21 17 10.05.97 16 10.30.87 17 10.15.25
55. Christian Warda 17 10.29.34 17 10.14.83 17 10.20.61 17 10.15.24
56. Paul Coleman 17 10.12.24 17 10.02.23 17 10.04.98 13 10.25.19
57. Tamotsu Kuzuya 17 10.25.40 15 10.32.15 17 10.03.61 17 10.00.28
58. Travis Scrambling 13 9.44.12 18 10.33.50 17 10.15.29 17 10.02.45
59. Stewart Wilcox 17 10.33.28 17 10.07.25 17 10.17.90 16 10.03.95
60. Mikael Svensson 14 10.07.32 17 10.15.84 18 10.30.03 17 10.03.75
61. Alessandro Cavagnis 16 10.03.55 17 10.26.51 17 10.11.20 17 10.14.82
62. Greg Waller 17 10.22.35 17 10.25.69 17 10.29.41 17 10.19.28
63. Takayuki Ohba 17 10.11.86 16 10.12.64 17 10.30.27 17 10.19.00
64. Julle Pedersen 15 10.14.04 17 10.11.81 18 10.29.37 17 10.23.75
65. Daisuke Endo 17 10.16.95 17 10.13.70 15 10.11.43 17 10.13.45
66. Makoto Mogi 17 10.25.13 17 10.18.67 17 10.00.00 15 9.13.51
67. Wu Chung Chen 17 10.29.76 17 10.30.31 17 10.35.79 17 10.16.16
68. Eglis Gallo 16 10.12.58 17 10.12.75 17 10.30.96 17 10.17.31
69. Morten Torkildsen 16 10.03.04 17 10.25.30 17 10.16.45 17 10.27.93
70. Richard Saxton 17 10.41.01 18 10.38.66 17 10.07.39 1 59.99
71. Kazushige Yoshida 17 10.25.47 17 10.26.75 17 10.28.49 16 10.00.01
72. Justin Wheeler 16 10.00.21 17 10.08.68 12 8.53.12 17 10.04.78
73. Georg Horninger 17 10.24.85 7 10.21.46 17 10.20.75 17 10.07.14
74. Travis Amezcua 17 10.09.14 16 10.13.73 18 10.33.22
75. Patrick Feschschenko 16 10.03.36 17 10.14.46 16 9.23.99 16 9.33.32
76. Giocomo Vignali 17 10.24.69 17 10.03.22 17 10.23.05
77. Juha Sartesuo 16 10.01.57 16 10.05.04 17 10.23.45 17 10.27.04
78. Antonio Jesus Gomez Salmeron 16 10.00.24 17 10.31.65 18 10.26.69 8 5.03.39
79. Marc Ibars Pola 17 10.11.93 17 10.24.76 2 1.08.82 17 10.28.52
80. Chopin Yusuf 17 10.28.58 17 10.24.43 17 10.11.96 9 10.24.59
81. Steven Drygalla 16 10.01.77 17 10.26.24 16 10.09.33 17 10.35.03
82. Andri Hartanto 17 10.21.88 17 10.20.95 16 10.13.26 16 10.29.16
83. Adrián Castro Ramirez 13 10.11.56 17 10.27.54 17 10.25.99 17 10.11.22
84. Mike Cradock 16 10.12.92 17 10.26.70 16 10.12.20 17 10.27.18
85. Shing Keong Sze 16 10.00.06 16 10.01.26 16 10.01.85 16 10.06.17
86. Gerd Ehrenfried 16 10.00.27 17 10.32.33 16 10.30.10 17 10.23.84
87. Sebastian Leonard 16 10.21.69 17 10.07.58 17 10.04.86
88. Michel Farina 16 10.09.29 14 9.47.23 17 10.22.21 17 10.17.01
89. Karl Jackson 16 10.13.04 17 10.13.08 14 10.44.51 17 10.16.69
90. Henrique Winik 17 10.27.58 13 10.03.27 17 10.32.61 17 10.31.73
91. Juan Rico 17 10.37.56 16 10.00.09 16 10.21.55 16 10.05.90
92. Nick Angelides 15 10.26.31 17 10.22.87 16 10.11.89 17 10.21.57
93. Anders Mehren 16 10.21.78 17 10.25.30 17 10.34.07 16 10.26.12
94. Viggo Andreasen 16 10.03.57 17 10.29.97 15 10.10.85 17 10.27.87
95. Komori Takashi 12 8.23.56 17 10.32.47 17 10.11.80 16 10.02.55
96. Yosua Natandri 17 10.27.33 16 10.16.34 16 10.32.70 17 10.32.02
97. Lance Norick 17 10.31.13 17 10.32.31 10 10.25.21 17 10.27.58
98. Duo Iun Goh 16 10.05.46 16 10.30.71 17 10.29.82 16 10.09.04
99. Ching Huang Chen 15 9.25.64 16 10.06.82 17 10.32.29 17 10.32.77
100. Scott Yang 16 10.06.69 16 10.11.49 16 10.06.73 16 10.09.31
101. Antonio Prieto 15 10.04.37 17 10.28.18 17 10.22.81 16 10.26.76
102. Ron Maya 16 10.06.13 3 1.57.62 16 10.04.00 17 10.20.84
103. Ming Tse Huang 16 10.02.32 16 10.09.31 16 10.29.89 16 10.08.88
104. John Agus 15 10.01.40 15 10.06.76 17 10.18.82 17 10.33.63
105. Asmund Sundsvallen 16 10.00.27 16 10.33.76 16 10.00.72 16 10.33.69
106. John Grenville 16 10.16.68 16 10.15.77 16 10.06.38 16 10.04.61
107. Yael Zurfluh 16 10.12.08 17 10.32.31 16 10.18.77 16 10.28.52
108. Jay Halsey 14 10.22.93 17 10.13.49 11 7.11.53 17 10.17.48
109. Tim Culmsee 16 10.03.19 17 10.30.56 16 10.04.08 2 1.40.42
110. Chun Chi Chien 16 10.02.92 16 10.10.15 16 10.30.86 16 10.17.64
111. Andreas Kletzenbauer 17 10.32.93 16 10.34.84 10 6.11.70 17 10.26.84
112. Keevin Sharp 16 10.06.02 17 10.36.26 15 10.29.24 16 10.03.95
113. Carlos Ferreira 16 10.09.64 17 10.25.51 16 10.23.17 11 10.09.29
114. Huang-Bin HE 16 10.35.18 16 10.25.47 16 10.04.13 16 10.04.55
115. Henrik Sondergaard 16 10.25.40 16 10.21.68 16 10.15.74 16 10.04.40
116. Mario Hesse 16 10.11.67 16 10.03.79 16 10.00.22 4 3.01.89
117. Jeff Keeton 16 10.12.52 16 10.13.80 16 10.17.75 16 10.28.66
118. Ying Tsai Lai 16 10.21.20 16 10.11.31 16 10.29.06 16 10.20.91
119. Almeida Fernado 16 10.23.67 16 10.03.32 16 10.14.80 15 10.16.82
120. Ronny Hoffmann 16 10.37.58 16 10.15.40 16 10.17.91 16 10.16.50
121. Tai-jun Kim 16 10.21.88 16 10.03.01 16 10.12.31 13 10.03.84
122. Steffen Culmsee 16 10.00.59 12 10.36.35 16 10.10.23 13 8.26.83
123. Horacio Monteiro 16 10.06.84 16 10.13.06 16 10.32.54 14 10.20.30
124. Yuan Yi Tai 16 10.22.34 2 1.11.96 16 10.24.33 16 10.02.61
125. Miroslav Jurenka 16 10.20.93 16 10.05.46 9 5.54.21 16 10.22.91
126. Patryck Hess 16 10.00.64 17 10.27.57 6 3.37.68
127. Helio Mattos 16 10.11.60 14 10.09.92 16 10.04.80 10 8.38.24
128. Siew Min Teh 16 10.33.22 15 10.04.45 16 10.34.23 16 10.21.18
129. Maruen Edje 15 10.05.43 16 10.31.75 16 10.29.74 16 10.30.13
130. Heitor Nogueira Filho 16 10.26.11 16 10.23.81 16 10.23.55 12 7.36.35
131. Ju Sung Taej 15 10.03.00 15 10.17.31 16 10.31.23 16 10.24.36
132. Mr Rudi 16 10.31.88 16 10.18.34 16 10.05.21
133. Walid Edje 16 10.22.05 15 10.11.47 15 10.18.98 16 10.36.53
134. Tom Drygalla 16 10.25.96 14 10.04.35 16 10.23.72 15 10.34.71
135. Shao Ming Yang 16 10.22.60 16 10.27.89 16 10.17.01
136. Wolfgang Riederer 8 5.07.55 16 10.23.11 15 10.28.79 16 10.15.10
137. Ganesha Soepeno 15 10.03.90 2 1.20.96 16 10.29.89 16 10.26.34
138. Chu-Hsien LIN 16 10.27.77 15 10.33.31 15 10.26.11 15 10.04.35
139. Kyung-Rak Lim 15 10.07.59 16 10.41.77 15 10.18.08 15 10.07.19
140. Ole Harder Torsholm 16 10.23.97 11 10.24.33 15 10.27.42 15 10.02.58
141. Wei Zhan 15 10.28.17 16 10.36.88 15 10.17.17 14 10.09.18
142. Gustavo Alberdi 16 10.26.84 16 10.41.84 15 10.23.73 2 1.17.02
143. Daniel Galliger 12 10.12.44 9 5.51.86 16 10.29.81 15 9.57.96
144. Brian Skinner 15 10.27.58 14 10.00.66 14 10.10.07 16 10.35.72
145. Jan Kapicka 15 10.01.83 11 10.24.71 11 7.54.75 15 10.00.19
146. Raphiel Zurfluh 14 10.09.05 6 7.45.51 15 10.11.14 15 10.19.44
147. Zdenek Kapicka 13 10.14.11 1 59.99 15 10.12.36 16 10.34.85
148. Christian Garat 1 36.05 6 3.37.64 15 10.10.42 15 10.07.10
149. Jean-Claud Ruchet 14 10.37.28 14 10.04.80 12 8.42.98 14 10.25.35
150. Jean-Pierre Meierhofer 13 10.45.22 5 6.46.58 12 10.32.79 14 10.11.98

[philadater]

Mark Pavidis was crazy fast yesterday!
never seen anything like it

[IFLYBYU]

Well Pavidis is officially the 2nd place qualifier with Frances Yannick Aigoin in first. It is an interesting top ten with 3 Kyosho's, 2 Mugens, 2 Ofnas, a Crono and a Berganzoni.

THe mains should be quite interesting concidering Yannick can supposedly go up to 14 minutes on 1 tank of fuel....


Mike

[Motorman007]

Yannick Aigoin is driving the hyper 7 pro and not the the new W-04 kit.

Paul C and Josh W. are looking good for having a buggy for only a week.

and 18. Joseph Quagraine is doing the due when his hyper too.

[cpittmx]

All the latest news from the worlds can be found at www.neo-buggy.net
and specifically www.neo-buggy.net/worlds.htm

I think Daniel Vega could take it


Whats even better is go into the video section and watch video of the top qualifiers from every day this week...sweeeet! those guys are smooooth!

[StevePond]

Here's the field for the running of the final. French Ho Bao driver Yannick Aigoin who was the top qualifier, was disqualified after his fuel tank was determined to be illegal after the 1/2 final.


1. Daniel Vegas Frias Spain
2. Davide Tortorici Italy
3. Miquel Matias Portugal
4. Jerome Sartel France
5. Jeremy Kortz USA
6. Mark Pavidis USA
7. Chad Bradley USA
8. Guillaume Vray France
9. Magnus Amilon Sweden
10. Robert Batlle Spain

[StevePond]

The final results are in -

Finish
Position Start Position Name Country Car model Engine Fuel Radio Tires Car Number
1 8 Guillaume Vray France Mugen RB Concept Futaba Proline 98
2 3 Miquel Matias Portugal Kyosho RB Meccafuel Sanwa Proline 118
3 5 Jeremy Kortz USA Kyosho Picco Odonnel Airtronics Proline 7
4 6 Mark Pavidis USA Kyosho OS Sidewinder Airtronics Proline 8
5 7 Chad Bradley USA Mugen JP Mugen Sanwa Proline 16
6 4 Jerome Sartel France Crono JP Tornado Futaba Medial Pro 96
7 9 Magnus Amilon Sweden Kyosho RB Model Technics Hitec Proline 133
8 2 Davide Tortorici Italy Crono Novarossi Novarossi Futaba Proline 109
9 10 Robert Batlle Spain HoBao Novarossi Speedworld Sanwa Medial Pro 126
10 (DNF) 1 Daniel Vegas Frias Spain Mugen Novarossi Delta KO Medial Pro 125

[MurcielagoR-GT]

Congratulations to our three USA drivers!

http://www.art-man.freeserve.co.uk/pictures/congratulations-bluedrinks.gif

[Fidelio]

so is kyosho gonna rename their buggy? ;)

[Beniscool6]

WOW!!! congrads to mugan on their 1st world championships win in ages (if not ever)!!!

[RCMadMatt]

Did they take Aigoin's TQ away from him as well? How much over the limit did they say the fuel tank was?

Matt

[RCMadMatt]

I just found out that the tank was over by .5cc. Ouch. :(

Matt

[StevePond]

The information I had seen suggested that all prior runs were disqualified because the tank is assumed to be over capacity for the duration of the event. As I understand it, TQ is lost as well. I didn't see anything specific, but the rules are the rules and if it were only 1 cc or .5cc, it's still over the limit. They should have been more thorough in the set-up of the car to ensure the tank wasn't too big. Most other drivers put a length of fuel tubing inside the tank to reduce capacity and be sure they're within the limit.

[MurcielagoR-GT]

The information I had seen suggested that all prior runs were disqualified because the tank is assumed to be over capacity for the duration of the event. As I understand it, TQ is lost as well. I didn't see anything specific, but the rules are the rules and if it were only 1 cc or .5cc, it's still over the limit. They should have been more thorough in the set-up of the car to ensure the tank wasn't too big. Most other drivers put a length of fuel tubing inside the tank to reduce capacity and be sure they're within the limit.

That sounds pretty stupid to me! :mad: That is something a driver or any consumer has no control over. It is strictly the factories fault. There is not even a performance gain over .5 or even 2cc. Are we all supposed to go buy something to measure our tanks with now! That type of thing really gets me off! :mad:

[StevePond]

I would suggest you cool off a little. This isn't rookie Busch league RTR racing, this is world championship racing. It's been a common practice for many, many years that drivers check and "tune" the capacity of their fuel tank. The capacity is checked including the fuel line, so if they didn't ensure that the capacity was within the rules, then it's their own fault. Everyone that races at this level expects to have to check the capacity of their tank. This is also a factory HoBao driver, so he knows the capacity of the tank better than anyone. If he has one to two extra loops of fuel tubing between the tank and the carb, or if he puts a couple filters in line, that could increase tank capacity 3 to 4cc alone.

Not that this is relevant to the issue, but there most certainly is a performance advantage to having even a little extra fuel. It enables you to run a more powerful engine or a larger carb insert to get more power and still make reasonable time intervals between fuel stops. If that extra fuel is what allows a racer to go 1/2 lap extra when they would otherwise have to pit one lap earlier, there is a definite advantage.

[kojak61]

He was getting 14min runtimes. When was the last time you got that much out of your engine?

[StevePond]

That's an urban legend. Nobody was getting that kind of fuel economy from their engines. He was pitting at the same intervals as everyone else, which was every 12 to 13 laps, which was a little less than 7 minutes a tank. A myth like that comes out every time a worlds is run. ;) :D

[C.J.OO]

"OWNED"..lol..THis has been an awsome thread I hope we can get Stats Like this for all the Major US and Worlds events...THis will be Huge...

[philadater]

aigoin was not stripped of his tq, he passed the other inspections fine, only after the semi did he fail the fuel tank test 3 times

[ChumsGum]

I really wanted Kyosho to get another one, but oh well. Congrats to Mugen.

[StevePond]

Phil, thanks for clearing that up.

[rccardude04]

Wasn't the mugen tank also found to be illegal until they let the car cool down to normal temperatures or something? I heard it from a guy that came into the shop.
You can't blame Kyosho for wanting to check that everyone isn't cheating, but they just need to accept that they got beat for once. It's about time anyway :D
-Eric

[StevePond]

This doesn't have anything to do with Kyosho. It's the IFMAR officials that checked the tank size. It's a common practice for them to randomly check tank size, nitro content, pipe stinger size, carb size, etc.

[JDAWG53]

There are rules for a reason. This is a perfect example.

[YoKoMo-MX4]

I think it is a tradgedy that Yannick was DQ'd, but rules are rules and you have to race by them. It would have been awesome to see HoBao woop up on the big-K. So many people think the Hyper7 is a 'basher' buggy. Lot's of guys I race with run the Hyper 7 PBS/PCR version and it can certainly hold its own against the Kanai-III and MBX5.

At least it is good to know that they teched the cars frequently ... the world can be assured the TQ honor was valid.

'nuff said,
MX4

[rcboy201]

hyper 7's are good buggys but u never see them win here in America

[RCMadMatt]

That's because everyone wants to be on the Big K and Mugen bandwagon, so you don't see as many Hypers out there. Everybody cheers for the underdog, but nobody wants to be him. ;)

Matt

[repete]

yea..kyosho bought most of USA's drivers already...except for the mugen drivers...so u dont really see anything else win here in the states

[Lapster]

Did any Hot Bodies drivers go?

[StevePond]

Yes, they finished in the following order:

32. Travis Amezcua
91. Yuan Yi Tai
111. Chun Chi Chien

[repete]

Atsushi hara didnt attend?..i thought he raced a HB?

[kojak61]

I don't think Hara races off road.

[repete]

i know he raced a HB lightning..im 99.99% sure

[rcboy201]

looks like crono didnt do too bad, did any one finish higher than Taylor James(26th) with a TTR

[rtypec]

Atsushi Hara was here:

[rtypec]

Woops, forgot the photo :)

[tnxfan]

is it me or did they not update the site since two days ago

[StevePond]

That sounds pretty stupid to me! :mad:

I just learned some more information that adds a new twist to the whole disqualification thing. If you want to hear stupid, follow this... It's one of those things that make you go "Duh!"

Many of you may have heard the nonsense about how Aigoin was running 12 to 14 minutes on a tank. The story was that Aigoin was running less than half throttle and still mantaining pace with the world's best drivers who were driving all out (red flags should be waving with anyone that has a brain right about now). This, as the story goes, is what was getting him such good fuel economy. That is easily debunked by looking at the time sheets for every one of his runs where is shows he's pitting about every 12 to 13 laps, or about 6:30 to 6:45 per tank. Pure nonsense, but here's where it gets really "Duh."

Based in part on this totally unfounded rumor that Aigoin, who is a French HoBao driver, was running 14 minutes on a tank of fuel, the Spanish distributor for HoBao filed a protest because his Hobao guys were not able to run as long on a single tank of fuel. So, HoBao is responsible for filing a protest against another HoBao driver, and that's why the top qualifier didn't get an chance to fight for the win at the worlds. He was hosed by a member of his own team. You can't make this stuff up....

[repete]

that is crazy...

[YoKoMo-MX4]

He was hosed by a member of his own team.
Ouch! I wonder if he (Aigoin) will leave HoBao over this?!


... pitting about every 12 to 13 laps, or about 6:30 to 6:45 per tank.
I guess I wouldn't call this too unusual. This must mean that drivers were pitting during qualifiers, too(?). Any idea what laps/times other drivers were pitting on?

'nuff said,
MX4

[StevePond]

Pavidis and Aigoin were both pitting on the exact same lap most of the time. I spoke with one of Mark Pavidis's team and they were able to stretch a tank to 8+ minutes, but they were still coming in at the same intervals as Aigoin.

[rcboy201]

so Aigoin pretty much lost the worlds over a stupid rumor :confused:

[StevePond]

Well, you can't presume that he would have won just because he got TQ. The main is an hour long event and many things can happen. Aigoin might have broke, flamed out, crashed or suffered any number of set-backs that are common in races like this. He only lost his opportunity to run in the main. He lost that opportunity because his tank held more than the legal capacity and nothing else. The fact that a rumor contributed to the paranoia that led his own team to file a formal protest makes it even more ironic.

[repete]

wow..i wonder how pavidis managed to get 8+minutes out of a vspec

[Shady]

there was no protest because of a rumor, Aigoin was DQ'ed during the normal post race tech

[racinlosi]

But why did his team mate make that rumor? Sounds a little fishy to me. Some one should be looking out to see if his team mate switches sponsors or quits some time soon. Either that, or he was cut by HoBao and they made him illeagle to tell him that he was cut(donno, just a thought.). :confused:

Either way, he should have been able to stay in the race, just change the fuel line to make it shorter, and your good to go!

[rcboy201]

i highly doubt they are going to cut someone who just TQ at the worlds

[StevePond]

there was no protest because of a rumor, Aigoin was DQ'ed during the normal post race tech

We hade one of our editors at the race, and he said there was a protest filed to check the capacity of Aigoin's fuel tank, and that the protest was filed by the Spanish importer of HoBao cars. This person is not the source of the 14-minutes-per-tank nonsense, but he is a HoBao representative. I'm sure he was trying to keep everyone honest and was focused on the interest of his Spanish team, but you have to wonder if he thought it through before filing a protest against someone driving the car he imports. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Shady]

sorry to say but your editer has got some bad info, as soon as the semi was over the cars were teched and that is when he failed, it is rumored that he changed fuel tank, and usa's team manger noted when he was there when they checked the tank in front of him to sign the dq that it looked like he had new fuel line, however the rumor about a protest over the 14 min rumor is very untrue

[Shady]

This from Jay Halsey who acted as USA Team manager at the W.C.

I want to congratulate the US team as a whole for working together
during the W.C. and for their respectable results. Congratulations
also to IFMAR and The Swedish R/C Club for running a top notch event
which was on schedule and consistant.

Concerning the DQ, I would like to clear any rumors or speculation. As
acting US Team Manager, I was asked to review the decision. The
decision was based on the following;

The tank was tested post race at 126.5cc and then rechecked 15 minutes
after at 125.5cc. At this point, I was called in for review where I
was informed of this information. The officials had the tank, fuel
line, and filters on hand. I was asked to sign the disqualification as
Roar representative. I refused to do so and demanded a recheck in my
presence.

IFMAR President (John Grant), Ifmar Vice Pres., Efra Rep. (Dallas),
and the 2 tech inspectors that had been checking tanks all week
returned to tech inspection. I witnessed the tech inspection of the
questioned tank from start to finish. They followed the procedure and
rules to the letter. The fuel was at room temperature etc.. Upon
inspection, I found the level to be at 125.5cc. The beecker was
graduated at tenths of a cc and the difference between 125cc and
125.5cc was about 3/16 of an inch. Very visible by the eye.

We also reviewed post tech records for the driver in question during
qualifying and found the tank was measured at the legal limit each of
those times of 125cc. There was no pre-semi record of tank inspection.


During the above mentioned inspection done for myself, I noted that
the fuel line appeared to be new and put on just prior to the semi.
This was just an observation out of curiosity and had no bearing on
any decisions.

At this point, I had to agree with the disqualification. I personally
don't think this gave him an advantage on the track, but it was a
clear violation of the rules.

Yannick's efforts were dominate all week long, and in my opinion, he
had the best chance at winning the W.C.. He was a gentleman throughout
this unfortunate circumstance and I respect and commend him for that.
He was welcomed at the trophy presentation more than once with a
standing ovation.

My decision was not altered by, nor bias toward affiliation with any
manufarturer or organization, but based solely on the rules and
regulations of IFMAR.

Race on,
Jay Halsey

[philadater]

Yeah Steve, you got some wrong info there, the spanish team never filed a protest, only the french did against the disqualification