New BPP 1/8 Brushless Truck

[bomb-proof]

Just wanna fill everyone in on the new BPP race truck. The first trucks are getting their full race prep, and should be on hand at the RCCA race in CT coming up quickly. This truck has been a 1year + project, finally becoming the ultimate race truck. Similar to a streched E-maxx in size, only pounds lighter, and already fully fortified in all the right areas. Brushless ready drivetrain, ultra strong chassis, you name it its got it.

If you havent been following the progress at Maxxtraxx, heres a teaser photo......

[racinlosi]

COME ON, show us it, please please please please please? lol, that's a pretty big teaser, now can you show us the specs, and more "naked" pictures of the truck please? Us want to see the truck go weeee!!! lol

[bomb-proof]

I am going to try to get some video of the truck, hopefully this week/ weekend.

[DualBL]

From what I can see, it looks like you're using a rocker setup like the revo.. and it'll have 2 decks.

also looks like 2 batt packs mounted along the sides.. but then the motor would have to be above the center diff/spur whichever your using.., and I don't see a front center driveshaft..
-Nick

[crash8619]

also it seems to have some type of roll bar underneath the chassis (always a plus)

[DualBL]

OH!
heh
when i first saw the rollbar, i only saw it in the wheel wells, so they looked like rockers.. now I see it through the body..
-Nick

[bomb-proof]

no dual deck, no rockers. There is no driveshaft in the picture, was working on it and decided to snap a picture to show some progress. It is 4wd and does have a front driveshaft.

[Rotary Rocket]

I see a center "spine" that ties the front and rear bulkheads together and acts as a roll bar (and could be tied to the lower chassis to make the whole truck super stiff).

If that is the case, nice job... :)

Is the lower chassis made out of Carbon Fiber? :D It also looks like the battery locations are machined out to hold the batteries in and even lower the center of gravity.

Of course I am just guessing.

Now time to bribe BPP so he will take a shot with the body off. ;)

[Cold Fusion]

Maybe similar to the razorback with that spine?

[racinlosi]

WOW, if that is carbon fiber, that is one thick/expencive ass piece right there!

[bomb-proof]

Nah, its not carbon fiber....you are right that would be very expensive.

The brace isnt like the razorback, well, It has entirely different purposes along with the obvious. Once you see it with the body off, it will be a lil more obvious. By no means was it a rip off of the razorback, or a copy, this was in the works before any of us even saw a razorback.

[Cold Fusion]

That is way too thick to be Carbon Fiber. I'm thinking either black polycarb or graphite.

Yeah, a lot of things happen like that. I played around with a center spine about 6 months ago but that was for a 2wd.

[bomb-proof]

Its not black polycarb either, and carbon fiber is graphite, graphite is basically pure carbon. Either way, high dolla.

More photos to come.

[crash8619]

Looking forward to "More photos to come"

[starluckrc]

Its not black polycarb either, and carbon fiber is graphite, graphite is basically pure carbon. Either way, high dolla.

More photos to come.

Video too if the controller doesn't let out the magic smoke this weekend.

[bomb-proof]

ya, no doubt. I was a lil disappointed at the last RCCA race with my mild 9 cells per motor set up, this time I wanna step it up a notch.


Hi-voltage, untested ESC, less than a week before a 1000K drive to race...........this sounds just lovely.

[racinlosi]

How thick can carbon fiber be made anyways?

Can't wait, must see, too curious. Better not get "too curious".:D

[crash8619]

when is the RCCA race in CT race?

[bomb-proof]

Carbon fiber can be made 20 feet thick if you want to pay for it, and thicker.

RCCA race is Aug 14th/15th.

[Bansheeman]

What kind of motor/controller/battery set-up will you be running?

[SerialKillinSam]

pictures to come? well its been a day, i wanna see a pic with the body off

[starluckrc]

What kind of motor/controller/battery set-up will you be running?

Now we can't give away all the secrets before the race. The motor and controller will be from Starluck RC and the batteries will be from hypercells.
That's about all we can divulge at this point in time. Pictures and video will be shot tomorrow.

[Bansheeman]

Alright, I'll wait. Just wanted to now a set-up that would work with this truck.

[bomb-proof]

Just wanted to now a set-up that would work with this truck.

Lots of voltage, lots of motor.

[Bansheeman]

Did you do the testing today, how did it go?

[bomb-proof]

pushed it on to Sunday.

[Skribble]

Well, it's Monday now, technically. :P

Came back from Hollywood a couple hours ago since my dad go to try to spin the "Wheel of Fortune." He didn't make it past the first round :(, and the person who spun the wheel won $25,000. Another person play Fantasy 5 won $65,000.

[bomb-proof]

Well, I got to run this latest version of the truck on Sunday. Went good and bad, the truck was absolutely perfect, handling was the best yet...better than anything else I have driven. The bad is of course the ESC......just brought the smoked ESC count a lil higher, I think this is the 10th esc that I have smoked over the years. Everything was correct, and well within the controllers limits. Now I have no esc....and a race 1000 miles away, and have to leave thurs morning if I go..

Right click, save as
Video One (http://bomb-proofproducts.com/Racing/BPP.wmv)

[racinlosi]

That thing is awesome! How fast does it go? Can't wait to see the the pics of it without the body. Glad to see that is works great though(the truck), hope you get the ESC thing fixed.

[starluckrc]

Speed is going to be highly dependent on motor choice and cell count.
The main point is that you can use the speed unlike the E-Maxx which gets unstable quickly or breaks. There's plenty of room for high voltage setups for any reasonable speed setup you want. This is going to be a big horsepower setup. C50 Maxx owners need not apply....LOL!!!!!!

[BJMFH1.01]

Well, I got to run this latest version of the truck on Sunday. Went good and bad, the truck was absolutely perfect, handling was the best yet...better than anything else I have driven. The bad is of course the ESC......just brought the smoked ESC count a lil higher, I think this is the 10th esc that I have smoked over the years. Everything was correct, and well within the controllers limits. Now I have no esc....and a race 1000 miles away, and have to leave thurs morning if I go..



What ESC were you using? My Hacker Comp is start to act funny. I am using 16 cells so it's to be expected. I was going to buy the 18.97 but so many people seem to be having issues with them. I might have to shell out the big bucks and get the 40.160 .

[crash8619]

Glad you got a chance to get some footage of it, just wish it was longer. I am curious as to what motor/esc/cell count you were running in it during that video. Hope yall get to make it out to the CT race and look forward to pics.

[bomb-proof]

The controller wasnt a 18.97, they had a problem with those months ago but I hear its since been fixed. The CT trip is not looking good at this point.

[crash8619]

Well thanks for telling me what esc it wasnt, being very secretive about you BL setup and cell count, haha. Man I have had two BL controllers go up on me also by no fault of my own and it sucks, when will we have a controller out that can be reliable and handle the amount of cells we like to through at it. If you dont make it out to the CT race that will suck but please get us some pics of your truck anyway.

[emaxxjeremy]

:( ya the CT trip is looking grim

[bomb-proof]

Keep an eye out, body off shots are soon to come.

[crash8619]

i will definatly keep an eye out

[bomb-proof]

I guess I can post a few specs on the truck since pictures will follow soon. The current design is based around a single motor, and capable of high cell counts (18-20 cells flat). Its using a 4 shock set up( I absolutely hate dealing with 8 shocks on a race truck). The only thing off an E-maxx thats gunna fit is basically the wheels. Massive motor mount to disipate heat, super stiff chassis, locked center(like E-maxx) for use with electronic motor braking OR center diff with front/rear brakes with adjustable bias, super tough servo saver, the list goes on and on......

Now comes the fun part, now I gotta try and mass produce these things, while someone else tries to copy it. No way around that, just remember where ya saw it first.....support the originators, and you will see evolution, support the cloners, and see the same ole junk with no progression.

[crash8619]

Heres are the pics since bomb-proof hasnt gotten around to it yet

http://bomb-proofproducts.com/images/Sw030.jpg

http://bomb-proofproducts.com/images/SW020.jpg

[bomb-proof]

Thanks crash.

[racinlosi]

That's awesome! Is it capable of taking 2 motors, or just one?

[bomb-proof]

Right now its set up for one, just because we are setting these first ones up to race.

[ElectricThunder]

That's a nice lookin truck! Plenty of cells too! LOL! :eek: Awesome work.

[Crashmaxx]

Woah! That is not like anything I've seen! How much are these going to be? Now I have to decide between the cold fusion truggy, this, and a twin force for my next BL rig. Any idea what size motor this will need and how many cells? It gets pricier when I need a controller that can take more amps. Too cool!

[Chunk]

I'm in the same boat need to decide on what to buy as far as an Electric MT. Here's my thoughts not bashing just my observations from reading both threads,

CF not much progression in months, don't know what to call it Buggy, Truck, Truggy,home made wood router CNC and very secretive about his age , makes me weary thinking he is very young and just trying to get going.

BPP has a completed MT & putting out test vehicles in the same or less time, quality parts (you can tell his are done on a real CNC machine), make me think he is more established which = reliability

Right now I am leaning alot more towards BPP Electric MT.

[bomb-proof]

Crashmaxx- We are still testing motor set ups, and probably will for a while longer so we can give a good set up to run. As for cells, I like 14-20 myself. This truck should be pretty easy on controllers(with any luck). The twin force is a good truck from what I have seen, lil short for my taste and I kinda like independent suspension for a hi-perf truck.

Chunk- Are you Captain Chunk? If so, how did you escape from the Fratellies?
I have noticed C/F has lost a lil steam on the project(well as far as I can see), but lets hope he is just holding back. Looks like everything is still on go on thier "truggy" , I cant wait to see it. Maybe between the two of us we can start something. In all fairness, I had a lil headstart, I have been workin on this thing for months.

[Chunk]

I'm still holding out to see what C/F has up his sleeve, then I'll be like :eek: or :cool:

That's Mr. Captain Chunk! Here's a recap

Francis Fratelli: Tell us everything! Everything!

Chunk: Everything. OK! I'll talk! In third grade, I cheated on my history exam. In fourth grade, I stole my uncle Max's toupee and I glued it on my face when I was Moses in my Hebrew School play. In fifth grade, I knocked my sister Edie down the stairs and I blamed it on the dog...When my mom sent me to the summer camp for fat kids and then they served lunch, I got nuts and I pigged out and they kicked me out...But the worst thing I ever done… I mixed a pot of fake puke at home and then I went to this movie theater, hid the puke in my jacket, climbed up to the balcony and then, th-th-then, I made a noise like this: huaaaa-huaaaa-huuuaaaaaaaaa -- and then I dumped it over the side, all over the people in the audience. And then, this was horrible; all the people started getting sick and throwing up all over each other. I never felt so bad in my entire life.

I still get goosebumps when Chunk deems himself Captain Chunk yells "and Captain Chunk says, Let's get the hell outta here!". Truly the movie highlight of my childhood and inspiration for fat kids everywhere.

[Cold Fusion]

Brian, the truck looks great! I've always been a fan of your work and this one looks like a winner.

Chunk, I think it's finally time to tell the public a little about myself since you're starting to wonder. I'm 15 years old and an amateur Mechanical Engineer. I've been working in CAD for 3 years and programming for 4 1/2 years. For the last 5 years I've been involved in RC cars. First it was a TRX1, then a Rustler, Stampede, Emaxx, and the Duratrax Axis. All of these had certain items I liked but were also flawed for use with Brushless motors (the only thing I run). One day I finally decided to build what I knew could handle the power and here I am. The Truggy is making progress although I've been too busy to post all of it.

As far the the Manufacturing side, it's not too bad. I've got thousands invested in a full 3D Cad/Cam package. My Router is based on an Aluminum Frame riding on THK 20mm rails and precision ground ball screws. Like I said earlier, I'm achieving plus or minus .001 on a daily basis. That's much better then a lot of the molded production parts from big names like Traxxas...


A couple of my customer's know my age but I've never posted it on a public forum. The reaction should be interesting to say the least.

[Bansheeman]

Damn for a 15 year old, your doing pretty good.

[Chunk]

CF man I am impressed to be 15 you are doing a great job!! When I was 15 I was no where near accomplishing the things that you are, all my time was spent riding Motorcycles & Martial Arts :rolleyes: keep up the good work and I can't wait to see what you accomplish.

[racinlosi]

Yeah, I am inpressed myself. Don't even act like your 15, act like your ALOT older. Wish I could do stuff like this in a year(when I am 15).

[bomb-proof]

...I have had some RC cars since before you were born...

I am gunna try and get some more video of the truck in action asap, and possibly some action photo's.

[microrcdude]

cool. I absolutly love that truck.

[bomb-proof]

Thanks for the compliment, took a long time to get it where its at.

[microrcdude]

I can tell. Good luck with it!

[bomb-proof]

Here's a chassis shot.......nothin' but business.......

[racinlosi]

Function before form.

Looks great, I like the CNC cut marks that you left on there. Makes it look awesome!

[Popop]

Bomb-Proof
Your design is so innovative I would be pleased to do another guest page for your projects. The first one was reserved for Mr Constructor and is now online
rcsaga.com/constructor


Email me if you're interested
Bye

[racinlosi]

Wow, I didn't notice it until just now, those battery box's arn't molded, they are CNCed out of a full chunk of plastic/derlin! :eek:

[emaxxjeremy]

the paths from the mill are supposed to be there, well there was no intent on them not being there anyway.
i think it adds cool factor myself. the perfectly smooth stuff looks like its cast

[bomb-proof]

Popup, I will email you asap.

Yep those battery trays are machined, not only that...they are 1/2" thick.

[racinlosi]

Yeah, I knew they were supposed to be there, but the fact that you didn't take the easy way out on it and machined them, that's just amazing. And it does add quite abit of the "cool factor" to it also.:)

Still 1/2" think, wow. I don't think those will ever break, unless you do some crazy stunt to it or cut it down to reduse weight.

[bomb-proof]

Well, they started out 1/2" thick, the center is milled down of course. Either way, they are extremely strong and shouldnt ever be a concern.

[Cold Fusion]

Looking good!

I am curious though, how do you hold the batteries in? Bars or straps?

[bomb-proof]

Ive got both done right now, just trying to see what I like best.

[microrcdude]

how much will these trucks retail for?

[bomb-proof]

The exact price has yet to be determined. I am working on prices, and different options to save people a little cash in some cases.

[savageP3]

oooo please more specs. any price range? will the motor/esc be included? how bout those nice ram tech wheels?

[bomb-proof]

A motor/ESC combo may be available, we may team up with starluck for some different set ups. It will probably be offered several different ways, so hopefully everyone will be able to afford it.

[AlexV2024]

jeese starluck cant loose in the next few months, 2 new race bred MT's for BL systems, packaged with his stuff! Hey jamie, need a dealer in Ohio? or maybe a stock boy for a dealer over here :P

are you guys still just testing the trucks, is thats basicly all thats holding its relese back?

~Alex

[bomb-proof]

Yep, doing testing, and I am going to Europe in a week, so I wanted to wait till I was back before I really stepped it up.

[bomb-proof]

Gettin ready to head out of town now, hopefully my new electronics will be back and ready to rock when I get back.

[Bansheeman]

You should bring the truck, I here they have some kick ass grass tracks! :p LOL :p Anyways, have fun doing whatever...

[savageP3]

so back yet? any new info?

[bomb-proof]

Finally made it back. Im still recovering from the time change, and the 20 hour/ 3 plane trip with no sleep. Now I just gotta get back in the swing of things and get some pictures and stuff done.

[Simen123]

So, any new pictures? :)

[jocktheglide165]

bump

[Rotary Rocket]

BPP, any news on your truck?

[jocktheglide165]

looks like it they are not into.....

[joemama]

Yeah I heard about this truck about 4 months ago in the Traxxas forums...They had some pics of the chassis..and it looks awesome. Oh yeah, My torpedo Emaxx is still runnin strong..great product.

[starluckrc]

We have been waiting on some gears to open up motor choices.

[ScrubT]

So what happen!!
I searched and searched for the new Bpp chassis.
Who has this Bpp Lsp conversion?
How does it handle?
Which woul you get?
-The Bomb proof new conversion.
-The GorillaMaxx
-The GorillaMaxx Revo
Just need to know I Want to buy a E- Truggy.
I have all the electronics and batteries.

[porra]

I have one and it is nice. I ran mine last night at a Walmart parking lot and it did close to 60MPH and it only went that slow due to space limitations. The truck is some what on the heavy side, but it has blown away all the nitro contender it has encountered so far. Here is some links I just posted on r c p i c s.

http://www. r c p i c s .net/view_single.php?medid=84085
http://www. r c p i c s.net/view_single.php?medid=84084
http://www. r c p i c s.net/view_single.php?medid=84083
http://www. r c p i c s.net/view_single.php?medid=84082
http://www. r c p i c s.net/view_single.php?medid=84081

Copy and paste and remove the spaces LOL!!!!

[ScrubT]

Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How does it run with the hacker 50 and 7018 esc. what is your pinion and spur.

[porra]

It runs really nice and smooth. It packs a lot of power. The pinion is 22 teeth and the spur is 65. It is just a well built machine.

[porra]

I'm planning on running 36 volts (I have 2 Dewalt 36 volts packs LOL) to see how fast it will go. Afterwards, I will step up to 44.4 volts.

[ScrubT]

Man that is Alot of power!!!!!!
keep us updated...

[porra]

Here is the link for the 2 22.2V packs that I'll try to put in the truck. They are on the tall side and they hit the motor mount.

http://www.r c p i c s.net/view_single.php?medid=84145

[crazy4wdracer]

cool, it looks really high tech!!!

[ScrubT]

any updates...

[porra]

Today I just did a quick test with the 36v DeWalt pack and it was scary. Scary in a way that I thought the whole thing was going to fall apart. I used a Kontronik 40-14-32 and a Kontronik Fun 600-1500. This truck is amazing. I will take some new pictures to show you guys the packs. I'm now a firm believer that too much power is never enough.

[ScrubT]

Can't wait for the new pics.. How many cells did you run with the dewalt pack or a123 cells?

[porra]

Here are the pictures of the packs. I'm still using rc pics.net.

http://www.r cpics.net/view_single.php?medid=84384
http://www.r cpics.net/view_single.php?medid=84385
http://www.r cpics.net/view_single.php?medid=84386
http://www.r cpics.net/view_single.php?medid=84387
http://www.r cpics.net/view_single.php?medid=84388

[porra]

ScrubT,

I ran the complete pack with 10 A123 cells and they are A123 cells, it says right on them.

[Reinhard]

how do you mount this batts in your truck ?
wouldn´t it be better to re-solder them..

two 5s1p on each side of the truck..

the cells like this:

[cell1][cell2][cell3]--- +
[cell4][cell5]------ -

and this block standing (vertically), so you can mount it very close to the center..
3cells lying ont he ground, two on top

and the same on the other side..

or do you want to use the balancer (seems so) ?!?
its not realy nesseccary..
balance them by hand every few month is enough of taking care for them..
use them some weeks now in a heli.. over 1000Watt peak out of only 5cells *lol*

[porra]

I'm only using it this way because I have the plastic casing holding them. Plus I can use the $40 DeWalt charger to charge them to 36 volts again.

[Freedom]

How much?

[porra]

I paid $40 for the charger on Ebay.