brushless motor system for drifting?

[T-Maxx3.0]

I am going to buy a Losi XXX-S and I was thinking about doing some drifting with it. I would like a brushless motor system. But if brushless is a little too much for I'll go grip. Please help me out. Thanks in advance.

[DualBL]

what do you mean "if brushless is a little too much for I'll go grip"?

for drifting, you'll need fine throttle input, so I'd recomend the Schulze Uforce.
that, along with a Lehner Basic motor, or one of Jamie's motors at www.starluckrc.com
-Nick

[T-Maxx3.0]

I guess I dont know how much faster brushless is than brushed. Is there a big difference. I meant if brushless has too much power for drifting than I'll go with regular tires(grip.) sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks.

[SS Pede]

Brushless is generally a lot faster than brushed, though Novak makes "slower" systems that can run on regular 6 cell packs. Some BL would certainly have too much power, but the Novak SS5800 system is like a 10 or 12 turn motor, that might be about right. I'm not sure, I don't drift. In any case I think you could find a system that would work well.

[Kenny T]

Brushless systems are overkill for drifting. I have a brushless in my Drifter(Pro3) because I drift on rubber and they require almost no maintenance. If you're going to drift anything else (ie PVC/ABS pipe, Yokomo drift tires or tape) a stock motor is fine, even a silvercan is enough.

For HPI/Kawada/Yokomo drift radials a stock motor is good but brushless would be better.

Anyway, drifting depends mostly on skill not motor, just get a $30 stock motor.

[T-Maxx3.0]

You can drift with rubber tires? Whats it like?

[DualBL]

http://tinyurl.com/5xhr7

that's spoolin's vid..
Spoolin was one of the original RC Drifters. that was w/ rubber tires, but it was on a wet road. too bad Spoolin got out of RC =\
-Nick

[Kenny T]

Actually that's with tape.

Drifting with rubber isn't too hard. You just have to know what you're doing and exactly how to set up the car so it will lose traction when you want it to. Knowledge of 1:1 drift techniques comes in very hand with rubber as well.

With PVC/ABS or yokomo, skill is very minimal unless you are taking the fastest line you can around a track. I tried PVC once, but I found it too easy. You don't even have to touch the steering and it starts getting sideways. It gets boring after a while, I can drift fine with one hand.

[DualBL]

haha, now that you mention it, i notice it is..
but it's still a good vid :)

I'll try to find one of the vids I've seen w/ rubber drifts.
-Nick

[Kenny T]

I shot some videos today but they came out crap.

I need a body so I can distinguish front and back while drifting. Also I should slow down a little so the camera man capture the car but throttle EPA is already on 44%. :D

[T-Maxx3.0]

I figure here is as good a place as any to ask. I looking for the Losi XXX-S Graphite Plus. At rcmodels they sell the rtr, but what about the g+? Thanks. And with a Novak brushless system, does it have enough tourche to drift with rubber tires?

[Kenny T]

Personally I wouldn't drift a XXX-S on rubber, unequal weight distribution is a problem, you'll get better drifts on turning to one side than the other. I'm using a Pro3 with my Novak system and it holds drifts fine but so does my TA02 with a really weak tamiya sport tuned motor. Just get your set up right and you should be able to drift with most motors.

Most people try rubber drifting or even tape drifting and find it too hard and switch to PVC or ABS. You should only get BL if you are going to stick to rubber drifting.

[AlexV2024]

kenny is your pro3 stock? i have a mostly stock pro3 (has oneway and diff and a spare diff, and SS screws and i think thats it) and i want to drift.-whats its setup?

what about TC3 or SSD are they decent drifters?

~Alex

[Kenny T]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/kenPro3/Pro3/BLPro3.jpg
That's my car, it's nowhere near stock.

The set up.
Car: HPI Pro3
Tyres: Tamiya Slicks on back, Semi-Slicks on front, Hard sponge(not molded) inserts

Front
Camber: Not a lot (-2degrees or so)
Toe: 0
Spring: HPI Silver Progressive 29mm (670g/mm)
Oil: unknown
Preload: none
One Way unit

Rear
Camber: 0
Toe: 2 degrees in
Spring: HPI Blue Linear 25mm (493g/mm)
Oil: known
Preload: 9mm
Ball Diff

Electronics
Novak brushless system (SS5800)
JR XS3 Radio system

26/87gearing (7.5288 final ratio)

Mods
Team PRP upper deck
Team PRP chassis
Team PRP C41 servo protector
HPI Aluminium rear brace
HPI Swaybars F&R
HPI Heatsink Motor Mount
HPI Titanium turnbuckles
HPI Aluminium Spur Gear Hub Set
There's more mods but they're the ones I think are necessary for drifting.

I wouldn't drift a TC3 or SD on rubber or even tape but on anything else they should be fine.