Do you want to see THEM ? ( My TWO NEW BABIES ! ! ) [Archive]

Doubledog

09-10-2004, 04:31 PM

Last one.

Give me some input alright. I'm thrilled to death as you can see.

The California Drag is open for negotiations if anyone is interested.

One more note and I'm out of here for the evening:

The Drag is an honest 50 mph boat with a stock 260 ! Yes, it will take some setup to get there but thats the fun part.

The Bandit is knocking on the door of 60 mph with a stock 260 & of course the right setup for it also. I've got the SpeedMaster hardware on the way for it and if I don't sell the Drag, it will be getting stock Aeromarine gear.

Speaking of gear, I ordered two new 260's & an anodized clutch from Bonzi. They arrived in unusual crappy packaging this time. Upon inspection, both were damaged and one even had the cooling fins busted loose from one side of the cylinder. Called Dan & he's getting in his shipping guys 'you know what'. Sent them back today and should have new ones anodized orange in two weeks. Thats what I call good customer service. Thanks Bonzi, but first time is a charm. ;)

Hope to hear some input on getting them together in the next few months. But knowing my schedule, it might take till next spring but we'll get there. :rolleyes:

Peace & ROCK ON ~ !

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97TRAKIN

09-10-2004, 04:54 PM

WOW!......... :eek:

Doubledog

09-10-2004, 05:06 PM

Forgot to add the photo.

Holler later. Peace.

OldStyle

09-10-2004, 10:15 PM

Nice man... Cant wait to have my own collection.

Chris LaPanse

09-10-2004, 10:24 PM

Same here. My only boat that even approaches that size (or quality) is my Manta Ray, but 50MPH? Solid CF? I think you have me beat. They look awesome :D

Doubledog

09-11-2004, 04:32 AM

Thanks for the words.

Ya'll know how I do business when it comes to calling somene out on speeds. I love to see a beginner saying that their .15 shoe box is running high 30's. Sure, may look that way with the scale of the boat but is it really? LOL.

Stretching is very easy to do with anything from fishing to especially these boats. Just like a dumb nut, I should've posted lower #'s and then act surprised when it hits the big ones right? :D Serriously, I saw it with not one, but several of these boats. The problem I face is making sure its done right, being patient with engine break-in's and setup combo's.

Guys, I'm not going to lie. I am hoping for high 30's - low 40's with the drag & high 40's with the cat to start & then work my way on up from there. Thats all you can do. It takes time and very seldom do you jump into a boat and it runs the big #'s.

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Back to the build.

They have no wood.

The mounts are aluminum. The Drag has nothing in it and will get aluminum rails glassed in also if I keep it. After seeing the European way of running them, you might begin to like it also. The first thoughts that came to mind was, glassing in wood rails. NO !.

You can order them any way you want...

Glass
Kevlar
Carbon Fiber

Its going to be a month before I even start on one so right now its show & tell.

Thanks for enjoying.

Hydro Junkie

09-11-2004, 05:21 AM

DD, you have got to be either the craziest rich dude or craziest bankrupt person I've seen in a long time. THREE BIG GASSERS? What's next, a gas hydro? All kidding aside THAT IS ONE NICE LOOKING FLEET. More motivation to get my scale hydro fleet finished :D

Doubledog

09-11-2004, 09:15 AM

Hydro Junkie, The only way I'd consider myself to be rich is in my heart with the loving family & friends I'm blessed with. :)

Heck man, you've been in this sport longer than my age so you've got enough stuff collected to put two or three together right now. Same here. LOL.

Besides, everyone knows my wife is the bread winner in this family... :D :D:D:D

Chris LaPanse

09-11-2004, 10:47 AM

I wasn't trying to imply that you were lying, just that that was faster than my boat. My Manta Ray with the EZ-25 does an honest 43.8 mph (on an E-Trex GPS), and with your smaller lighter hull running a shallower vee, I wouldn't be surprised if it did hit near 50. (although when I get the QD in my boat, then it should do mid 50's too)

Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:24 PM

No Chris, it was not taken that way at all. :)

I consider most of us to be Bud's and if there is some input, its taken in a constructive manner.

***** Edit.

Somehow my wires got crossed and I thought the Drag was Kevlar due to it having such a light weight and hardly any flex. My mistake and sorry for posting untrue information.

Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:26 PM

Took the boats in the yard for a photo op.

Figured I'd toss them in the pool just to have a look-see.

*notice anything wrong with this one? :D

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Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:31 PM

When putting it in the pool, I wondered why it seemed a bit heavy.~ :confused:

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Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:33 PM

Group

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Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:35 PM

Nutter.

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Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:36 PM

Guts.

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Hydro Junkie

09-11-2004, 01:39 PM

Now wait a minute! You're making me sound like an old fossil. Let me guess, you haven't hit the big 3 0 yet?

Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:39 PM

Look like there's enough room to do everything? - :confused:

We shall see in a few weeks.

Notice the mounts. Dare I say that this might be what I'm going to start going with from here on out. If I keep the Drag, it will get the same kind glassed in. Maybe a little longer but similar.

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Doubledog

09-11-2004, 01:42 PM

HJ, Come on ! :D

Between you and Ron O. you boys are the "Godfathers" of the forum.

I am your humble aprentice. :) LOL

Hydro Junkie

09-11-2004, 01:49 PM

I'll leave that "honor" to Ron. Besides, he has more, shall we say all round experience. Mine has been limited primarily to 1/8th scale and Sport 40 hydros. I just feel lucky to be able to help people out occassionally. By the way, do you think anyone noticed I can get VERY opinionated?

Doubledog

09-11-2004, 02:49 PM

Yep. Without a doubt.

Opinions are what make the world go around. I'm the type that doesn't like to step on toes, but sometimes it happens to all of us. Sitting behind a computer where expressions can be taken the wrong way makes it harder.

abx131

09-11-2004, 08:34 PM

Did you leave it on the stand while throwing it in the pool??

Chris LaPanse

09-11-2004, 09:26 PM

Yep, that's why he said "i thought it felt a little heavy..." lmao
Now lets see it run at 60mph that way. :D

Watercadet

09-12-2004, 02:38 AM

That's funny DD. I launched my 3.5 tunnel and it acted like the skeg was in the shallows. The prop was spinning out of the water and the boat wasn't going any where. The cardboard box I was using as a stand had swolen with water and was stuck in the tunnel when I launched it making it float higher :D

Doubledog

09-12-2004, 02:39 AM

LOL,

LOL,

LOL,

:D :D :D

The funny part was when I sat it in the water and tried to give it a 'shove' to see how it glided. :rolleyes:

The first thought was "this thing Really IS Heavy" :o

New pool noodles on the stand for cushion & plus its a hair too tight equal one stuck boat stand. :(

rc10gtisthebest

09-13-2004, 08:12 PM

Nice looking boats you've got there DD. I may just have to scrap my wood stringers and put some "look-a-likes" of your mounts. Except I would keep it one solid piece for each side.

-Todd

Hydro Junkie

09-14-2004, 03:49 AM

I tend to agree rc10. It would give more for the glass to hold on to. Come to think about it, it would let you move the engine location without having to move the mounts

rc10gtisthebest

09-14-2004, 08:03 PM

You could move the engine. But you'd still have to drill multiple holes. Or An enlongated hole?...

-Todd

Doubledog

09-18-2004, 05:33 PM

Talking about the rails. Wish I had more of these setups, but this is a very common one like you was talking about. Make it adjustable.

Doubledog

09-18-2004, 05:35 PM

My mounts.

Doubledog

09-18-2004, 05:43 PM

One more.

Seems like I had a few dozen good shots of some setups but obviosly not. Its good to use them for reference when you get ready to start a project like whats happening in my case.

FlyerCAN

09-18-2004, 08:56 PM

I'm in awe!!!!

Chris LaPanse

09-19-2004, 01:44 AM

Looks awesome.

We need running pics (tries to start chant)
We need running pics
We need running pics...

Doubledog

09-19-2004, 02:38 AM

No, no, no.

Hope you don't think the black aboat is mine. Its the same, just this one has a 260 converted to run nitro. Sounds much better and you gotta love that smell.

Main thing is noticing the setups.

I'm waiting on the SpeedMaster gear and the engine to come back from Bonzi. (Anodized orange) :D, but also have a blue & purple cooling heads to change out depending on my mood. LOL.

Yesterday was putting a coat on the G' and today will be building the radio box for the Bandit.

Anyone want to buy the Cali Drag?

aamick1971

09-19-2004, 06:06 AM

dd,
looks good man like to see those big boats run.i've been hanging around internation water lately, in the outboard section.nice looking boatshave fun with them.
thanks,
allen

Chris LaPanse

09-20-2004, 01:19 AM

Oh-sorry. Misinterpreted that. Still, once they're done, we need pics. As you probably know by now, us on the zone can never get enough pics :D

Raydee

09-20-2004, 11:53 PM

Man I want that cat but I think I would rather have the wood stringers installed along with the transom wood.

ejp

09-24-2004, 08:25 PM

Those boats are sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is there a website I can go to for pricing or can you tell me how much that cat you have was. As you can see I am looking for a good cat and if I can get one of those why not do it right the first time.

Chris LaPanse

09-24-2004, 09:04 PM

I'm not sure, but I bet it was VERY expensive. Solid CF in a hull that big? Just get a fiberglass hull from Aeromarine. They are plenty good for any sport running (and probably racing too)

Doubledog

09-25-2004, 04:26 AM

Raydee, I was very surprised to see the difference of the Carbon. Remember when the craze hit 10 years ago with the Tuner Cars and they had the carbon hoods, scoops, dashboards etc... Then in the real world of HiPer Outboard boats, they started with them also. (just my recollection, lol). Folks talked about how light weight, and "Superior Strong" they are over glass.

Now for my take after having seen a few rigs in person:

Yes, indeed they are much that stronger over glass. The deck has a hair of flex. Thats it. The stern even with no wood... forget it. LOL. Notice the mounts. There's not a lot of matting & such over them to hold. It just doesn't need it. When I start glassing in the rails for the Drag, Hell, I'm going to have glass all over the boat making sure it holds. But to be honest, even my wife wants me to send it back to PSR and have him do the mounts in CF for me.

When people was launching them, they would put their hand in the large air scoop and toss it out there one handed. I would never do that with a glass boat. Also, seen one on the rocks....... the only thing banged up was a minor paint chip and the hardware. The hull had a few scratches, but not busted.

Have ya'll heard of people using CF rods for steering? Yep. Would I use them? No, because I've got plenty of 3mm rod. :p

The boats are very expensive even for such a small hull as this. Do I plan on running these exclusively? HELL NO. Can't afford it. Also, please don't let my rambling be taken as "Bragging". Theres no way my stuff is any better than the next guys. And most of the time, my rigs have less in them than the average person. Its not about who's the 'big baller with all the money". Dang sure isn't me. :o

But to give you an idea, the Bandit Cat starts at $350 + for the glass' boat. If you want the carbon like I have, get ready to drop a lot more. This was a one time deal for me so its mine now.

If you really want one, email me.

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Now having said that, here is GermanBoater launching his PSR carbon fiber cat. I'd like to see folks do that with a glass boat.

.Thanks for letting me ramble & Peace.
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BurnZ

09-25-2004, 04:28 AM

Who makes the cat in the picture?

Doubledog

09-25-2004, 04:36 AM

That boat was a one time deal from PSR. He made it especially for Klaus... aka, Germanboater.

It has a 35cc Mathe and is a 70 mph boat all day long. Klaus is an expert at setting them up and proved it that day.

One more photo of his boat. Notice there is no metal for the mounts. Its carbon fiber.

Doubledog

09-25-2004, 04:39 AM

. :)

Doubledog

09-25-2004, 05:03 AM

This is going to be my next boat.

PSR Wave Fighter.

Still digging in the couch for some extra change. This boat is very similar to the AC Rebel. Sweet lines, fast & a hard charger.

Doubledog

09-25-2004, 05:07 AM

Saw this one run with a Mod 230 & it was hauling butt! The guy had it trimmed out perfectly. Would hit the turns at full bore, drop the nose a little and then blast out and hit the straights.

42" x 12.5"

I'm having to hold off, but the fire is lit !, Still have two boats to put together now, not including finish the paint on the G'.

BurnZ

09-25-2004, 08:42 AM

Who is PSR and do they have a w-site?

Doubledog

09-25-2004, 05:19 PM

Yes, they've got a website, but its under construction. Contact me for any info through this site.

ejp

09-25-2004, 06:34 PM

I am looking at the aeromarine boats but the cat you got is really nice looking. I would really like to get one like this but I don't have the money right now. I really want to look into getting one though. PM me and I will get your e-mail so we can fugire some stuff out.

Doubledog

09-26-2004, 04:31 AM

When you're ready.... you know how to reach me.:)

BurnZ

09-26-2004, 01:09 PM

What's some prices like on the cat?

On the cats that are more for turning than speed, how big a difference is there in speed. Is one wider and the other longer? I can't remember who has the two that are similar this way. One has better speed and the other has turning ability, according to them.

BurnZ

09-26-2004, 01:11 PM

Found them! AC Boats.
http://www3.telus.net/acboats/cats.html
Blast cat 40 (cornering)
Flash cat 40 (speed)

BurnZ

09-27-2004, 10:57 AM

Hey DD,
What's the differences in kevlar, carbon fiber and fiberglass (weight, strength, and price wise)?
What's the length of the bandit cat you have?

Doubledog

09-27-2004, 01:35 PM

This is how it was explained to me & having seen the three first hand:

Keep in mind we're talking about one style boat - layed up three different ways. Lets take the Wave Fighter mono for example:

Weight difference -- very minimal. A few ounces if that. All boats from the same mold are going to vary +/- a few oz. I felt that boat layed up with the three materials & it wasn't noticeable.

Strength -- You've got to be kidding. Where is the best place to find flex in a boat? The front deck right. Alright, now take the glass boat & push down... it will flex enough to notice it. Kevlar & carbon, almost none. Now, you can't compare this boat to a normal hull like the Enforcer hulls. My G' boats are built heavy and have almost no deck flex. But the same size boat (wave fighter) is thinner glass & weights much less.

If I could afford it, from now on, I'd buy stickly kevlar/carbon lay-ups. This is actually a mixture of both. Been told that when they get banged up, it doesn't bust & shard like glass. Dang, but its hard to explain. :o

I saw a carbon boat fliped on the rocks. Busted paint. That was it. Didn't hit a full speed, but the guys told me they've done it and they generally survive with minimal damange. They're sort of the 'test guineas' for PSR & they hurt 'em.

Price -- for the boats PSR is building, there's roughly a $35 difference between the layups. Is it worth it for the quality differences? I'd say yes. Are the boats themselves worth the asking price? Thats a hard one to decide on. Depending on how deep your pockets are. Mine are shallow and never before would've considered such a purchase.

If you check my add here on the Cali Drag, you'll see. If I build the boat, it will most likely be only to sell. It's getting aluminum rails glassed/epoxied in, new 260, I have a new Bonzi orange clutch or might use a new Enforcer clutch instead, AM hardware (or might take the cheap route and use the Octura), etc.. etc.. radio box, can even install the servos. Just drop in your Rx & Tx & gas & go.

Hope this helps shed some light & as always, others please chime in on your opinions about the different layups.

Peace. ;)

Micho523

09-27-2004, 01:38 PM

*cries* :( :( I wish i had the money to do that stuff!! I will hopefully be getting my car in a few more weeks, so all I will need money for is gas and hobbies!!! maybe then i will be able to get some really nice and fast stuff. I guess it would help if i had a job that paid more than my current at 6.50 an hour... but being in high school still, this is pretty much the best i can do! I ordered this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5922111657) to get back into the car world, as thats where i started, but with the high performance electrics. Dont worry about me getting ripped off, being that its a no- name brand, a friend of mine has one, and HPI parts are pretty much a direct replacement. You guys with the bigger and better toys have got me green with jealousy!!!

Doubledog

09-27-2004, 01:44 PM

that car would almost make me consider one. Never had an interest till seeing that hot number.

Micho523

09-27-2004, 01:55 PM

Yeah its a beauty and for a good price too!!! Can't wait to get it, it ships today!

BurnZ

09-27-2004, 10:29 PM

Slick car! I have a Nitro RS4. Its been sittin' so long that the engine siezed. One thing about the cars with the 2 speeds is they will go fast enough to flip if the back isn't cut out. I had a viper body on mine that went to tumblin' like a tumble weed at top speed. And this was with the .12! I'd hate to mess up that nice body though.

BurnZ

09-27-2004, 10:31 PM

Hey DD,
could you post some pics of PSR's other hulls on a new thread?

Doubledog

09-28-2004, 02:08 AM

He will build most anything but the mainstay are those four boats in this thread:

Bandit Cat -- 2 versions, normal & 2" wider but same length
California Drag
Wave Fighter

Built with any layup you want. :)

lovinnitro

09-28-2004, 08:02 AM

Hey Double,
Will you send me an email as to what one of the cats would run? I also have another question for you. Never mind I'll send you an email.

BurnZ

09-28-2004, 09:32 AM

DD, was it you that had the thread with the pic of the box trailer with the boats on the side? It also had a few PSR boats on it. I can't find that thread. I think it was a weekend of rc racing.

Doubledog

09-28-2004, 03:57 PM

Nah, wasn't me. I believe that was 97Trackin.

Doubledog

09-28-2004, 04:00 PM

Steve, you've got a PM with prices.

Doubledog

10-09-2004, 04:29 PM

Going to try something new this time around. Heard many good things about white gas may as well give it a try. Word has it that it starts easier and naturally its not as pungent as normal gas. The smell of a boat in the car after running isn't nice. If my engine ever gets here, maybe we can find out.?

BoatDoc

10-09-2004, 04:45 PM

be careful, i've heard that stuff burns HOT!!

BMAD01

10-09-2004, 07:04 PM

My GOD!, DD, Be very carefull with that stuff!! You do'nt even have the boat done, and it's turned the inside of yer hull BLACK!! Brian :D

mjmsprt40

10-09-2004, 08:47 PM

After everything is said and done, you might be going back to regular gasoline. Coleman fuel is actually a naptha mixture, not white gas. It does burn cleaner from what I understand, but it has its own peculiar smell when burning. Ever been around a Coleman lantern??? Especially after its been shut down????

TXTRCR

10-09-2004, 10:12 PM

just heard a guy saying he was hammering a wrist pin out of a piston after running the "White Gas" Ozark i believe was the name of the fuel. i think ill do the gas thing myself and just ride back with the boat in the truck and all the windows down and all fuel jugs and tanks empty. The guy i talked to did not start the engine running on white gas from the beginning, he had been running pump gas for a while and then switched to the white gas later on. that may have been the cause of the seazed pin. switching from a not so clean burning fuel to a clean burnging fuel it may have washed all the oil buildup off.

Another thing i noticed way earlier in the thread when you were showing pictures of your two new beautiful babies DD. The front shot of the white cat hull look at the right sponson where the deck and the side come together. see how the seam curves up, now look at the other sponson the seam stays parallel to the ground. Is this an optical delusion or is it just me.

TXTRCR

10-09-2004, 10:14 PM

Page 1 post 12 is the pic im talking about. something doesnt look right. might check it out.

rc10gtisthebest

10-10-2004, 12:35 AM

It does look a little off, but I think it might be the camera angle, and possibly distortion..

-Todd

Doubledog

10-10-2004, 03:25 AM

Humm, never noticed it. Heading down to work on them now & will check it out. If so, what can you say? Damn?

Doubledog

10-10-2004, 03:37 AM

Before heading down, here's two more photos I'm peeking at saved on the puter.

Worried now.

Doubledog

10-10-2004, 03:40 AM

other side

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BurnZ

10-10-2004, 09:19 AM

What is white fuel?

BoatDoc

10-10-2004, 09:46 AM

white gas is what's used for camping lanterns. it's also what crazy people put in the fuel tank of their car when being stupid (don't ask...) it's potent, that's for sure. just be careful DD, if you're going to try it, start out with a little extra oil and a nice rich needle setting. that stuff burns hot as hades and i'd hate to see you burn an engine.

Doubledog

10-10-2004, 12:07 PM

Alright, back.

Checked the boat over good. I mean good. The only thing noticed was in the front deck, between the sponsons, drivers right, where the deck cap & hull meet, theres a small place where the gel isn't spread. Dark spot.

Thats it. After painting or even a cap stripping tape it would be fine.

Please don't do that to me again. LOL.

About the white gas, I've been reading over at Jims where its as good as regular gas (-) minus the smell. Starts much easier & idles better. So thats whats been talked about. My buddy called me a few weeks ago and told me to go get a gallon to try. He said the same thing. He lives in a small apartment & has no place to store his boats so he has to keep them in house.

Doc, I always run heavy oil. 8 oz to the gallon. Smokes a little more but its worth the extra security. Unfortunatly, most of my running is done by myself & when with buddies, we're only running one at a time. Besides, even the G' is one of the fastest out there due to them running the huge MHZ hulls. The only time it gets pegged is for a 150 meter blast if that. Rest of the time its jerking around. No need for me to go hot-dogging & fry a mota'. :)

BurnZ

10-10-2004, 04:38 PM

What MHZ hulls does your buddies have and how do they handle?

BurnZ

10-10-2004, 04:42 PM

Sorry 'bout all the quesstions, but it takes me along time to decide what I want. I study everything about them. I do this when I buy a car also. I usually know more about them than the dealers know, but I will still ask them questions to see if they actually know or if they try to blow smoke up my bum. I really respect the ones that honestly tell me they don't know.

Doubledog

10-10-2004, 05:07 PM

Hi Burny. :D
A lot of my buddies run MHZ hulls. They make some really BIG rigs and their hardware is top shelf. The boats are a little over-rated in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I like them. Before buying the white cat, a bud offered his new carbon Triple X for a sweet deal but its just too big. With a 260 mod or not, that boat is a dog. Handles anything you can throw at it but the calm. Then it seems like its stuck. :eek: Then again, this guy knows everything and when you approach him with setup points, he shuns you & then wonders how come its a slouch. Okay, so I contradicted myself.

There's another MHZ boat (Cayman?) that I saw run with stock 260 & the nice outdrive. Ran like it was on fire! Didn't think those drives could run like it did. The Cayman is a bit smaller than the XXX & it shows. It actually ran like a fullsize pad V' boat. Up high and flying.

The cats? Oooo, those are something else. Fast.... yes depending what kind of power.

Over all, I'd buy one, but it would take some swaying.

Heres' a pic of the rig I was talking about with the Z drive. This thing fly's & he's got it dialed in perfect.

Doubledog

10-10-2004, 05:15 PM

Could see myself owning one like this. Probably have to call the guy that ran this one to help set it up. Cool young dude too.

BigTruckDriver

10-17-2004, 03:02 PM

Cool looking boats,I think I am jealous. :)

Doubledog

10-23-2004, 10:50 AM

Here is the newest mutt to compliment the litter.

AM Stingray.

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Doubledog

10-23-2004, 10:55 AM

Not a bad looking boat. A guy on Int'l Waters had it. Put a good price to start that got my attention. A couple of days later, he lowered it & then decided to toss it on ebay for $155 shipped. Looks like I jumped. :D

Stingray 43 - L.O.A.: 43" Beam:13", For .80-1.0 Nitro, 23-25cc Gas

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Doubledog

10-23-2004, 11:02 AM

Inside.

The guy drilled a few small holes for a drive assembly. Easy fix. Mix up some epoxy & ground wool & some shavings of glass & it'll be stronger than the wood. ;) Other than that, the boat is almost perfect. Just needs some TLC. For some reason, the song "John Deere Green" keeps coming to mind. :eek:

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BurnZ

10-23-2004, 11:02 AM

AM, as in Aeromarine or is this a different brand. What is their website?

Doubledog

10-23-2004, 11:05 AM

Yep, AM = Aeromarine

http://www.aeromarinerc.com/

BurnZ

10-23-2004, 11:13 AM

Thanks

Doubledog

10-24-2004, 12:36 PM

Here we go with the Bandit cat.

Started with the stuffing box called "the Butch Block" from Butch The Boat Man. Makes installation easier. Drop the engine in, get lined up with the included stub that acts as a shaft, & mount.

Then hollow out the hole in the bottom of the boat, install shaft, bend.

That easy.

In this pic, you can see the pilot hole that will be enlarged for the shaft log. The butch block is already mounted on the inside.
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Doubledog

10-24-2004, 12:39 PM

This is what the block looks like. Worth every penny.

The stuffing tube is slid through along with the strut & bracket.

Now its time to bend while using an old shaft inside to help keep from kinking.

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Doubledog

10-24-2004, 12:42 PM

Here you can see the strut hanging.

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Doubledog

10-24-2004, 12:44 PM

Time to start bending. Very slowly.

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Doubledog

10-24-2004, 12:46 PM

Done.

Not that hard, just plan ahead & take your time. ;)

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Doubledog

10-24-2004, 12:49 PM

Strut bearing.

This slides into the shaft, which in turns fits almst flush inside the strut. First time using them, but have heard many good things. Forgot the size, but its a hair smaller than the log, & is sanded down to fit almost perfect.

On the log, it had to be sanded a tad to fit. A shot of WD40 & everything fit.

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Doubledog

10-24-2004, 12:53 PM

There it is.

Not complete by far, but its getting there.

Still need to cut the shaft to the right length, silcone the holes for the block & the strut, then solder the end of the shaft to keep it from fraying. Thats just with this part of it. There's still setting the throttle servo mount, mounting the box, rudder & tank.

Speaking of rudder, I have a feeling it'll be going on the left side this time. Heard many good things about placing it there. Till the holes get drilled, then its still up in the air.

Don't get much time to work and it seems like I spend more time planning than actually putting stuff together.

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BurnZ

10-24-2004, 01:19 PM

This is getting to be a long post! Very informative though!! ;)

Chris LaPanse

10-24-2004, 05:36 PM

Yep. What engine is that? Just a stock 260PUM?

Doubledog

10-25-2004, 02:00 AM

Yes. Nothing fancy. It should have more than enough power for what I'm doing. Thoughts of a 230 have crossed over several times. But was told by the guys that did the R&D work on this boat that its a tad underpowered with it. Oh well, still would like one anyhow.

Hydro Junkie

10-25-2004, 03:46 AM

What about a modded 230? Would that have enough oomph for it?

Doubledog

10-25-2004, 04:56 AM

THAT too has come to mind. From what the R&D boys say, a 260 stock or mild mod will run it hard enough. We're talking mid ta' high 50's once dialed in. You know me. I'd love to have it run 90 but what fun would that be? :D The best challenge is you've got a rig that has a lot in it but its running like a dog. You start the dialing in & later it becomes that rocket you'd hoped for. (will I be disapointed after the first run & its indeed a 'dog'? To be totally honest. Yes. But then is when you break out the wrenches, tweak here, change a prop there...)

Btw, not preaching to anyone, just got a minute from work & reflecting.

Doubledog

11-07-2004, 01:47 PM

Nov 7th.

Getting there.

Been lazy and decided to spend time working that prop in the other thread. But we're closer to getting it wet.

Here's now I decided to do my radio box installation. The German guys I ran with this summer showed me plenty and this was one of the simplest.

Epoxy four blind nuts into the hull & glass two aluminum strips to the bottom of the box.

Here we go.

Doubledog

11-07-2004, 01:51 PM

Rails glassed in.

Using a very slow cure epoxy (12 hours) & fiberglass cloth with two ta' three layers thick. Good & strong.

To help with vibration, there will be four rubber washers going over the blind nuts. Have thought about putting a thin strip of rubber under the rails but they seem to be fine. Not riding on anyting but the nuts.

Btw, the rails look to be thin on glass. They're not. Its thick all the way across & up the sides of the box. ;)

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Doubledog

11-07-2004, 02:02 PM

Radio box installed.

Got the seals glued in last night so they were ready for push rods today.

Looking at the pics, the right side is not setting good on the nut. Was fumbling wit the camera and didn't get it seated. Don't worry, it fits snug. :)

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Doubledog

11-07-2004, 02:08 PM

Another of the box.

Here you can see the bracket built for the throttle. Its attached to the back of the engine.

Also note the glass on the steering servo mount. A bit of over kill & wish it would've been done different. Strong, you bet.

One more. Fabricated a switch mount today. It will get epoxied in tomorrow. That way, pull the bung plug & trip the switch with your finger.

For mounting the Rx, seems like a small peice of Velcro might do the trick. Battery? Still debating on that. Any ideas.?

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Doubledog

11-07-2004, 02:20 PM

Tank installation. This was still wet when taken & will clear up.

After much debate... :( This is whats taking place. Seen something similar to this from the Europeans & figured it would be applied here.

Angle cut & trimmed out for a suitcase strap. Might put a small peice of rubber here also just for good measure. Looks cheesy, but it works.

*I said debate on this location. Yes. Talk about a pain. Logic is to drop it inside one of the sponsons next to the CG. Test fitted several tanks from 350 ml (12 oz) to 700 ml (24 oz). They all fit fine in there.

To be honest, I don't feel like messing with it & wanted to take a simpler route. Most of the time when I run, its with less than 10 oz's anyhow so figured get it close & mount. Can always move it over to the sides later. :)

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Doubledog

11-07-2004, 02:29 PM

Last pic for this round.

Got the rudder installed also. Not much debate here... 2 1/2" over from the strut. The guys that run these things really chimed in.

Hope to get it wet in this weekend. All thats really left is mounting the antenna bracket, trimming the cowl & mounting the pipe bracket. Nothing here is a major job. Its all small things combined that you have to knock out one at a time. Glue a peice here while working on something there.

Has it been fun? Oh yeah. Just hope it pays off.

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Also, another decision is made: Sending one of the 260's out for mod work. :D

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Later DD. :p

Chris LaPanse

11-07-2004, 07:20 PM

Nice. What servo is that one you're using for steering? Looks like she'll scream at WOT! Good luck.

Doubledog

11-08-2004, 02:21 AM

Steering servo is a HiTec 700BB or 705BB or heck, I don't know but will check for you.

Doubledog

11-12-2004, 11:13 AM

Today was show time........ WATER READY.

First run...... !! DUD !!--- (not the boats fault)

Had everything ready last night. Box sealed, drive shaft lubed, Prop installed. All I had to do was gas & turn on the radio. Thats how ready I was.

Test fired the engine for the first time before leaving the house. Almost perfect.... Blipped on the first pull & ran on the third. Talk about excited.

Get to the water, flip my radio, & first pull........ BUSTED STARTER!

The engaging teeth on the starter broke because I pulled hard without letting it engage first then snap it. Noooooo. I snapped it with a lot of slack on the rop & ended the day. Left the spare at home.

Oh well. I'm not too upset, because I've got extras, but it was too late to come home & go back. Hope to go tomorrow if the weather & wife will let me.

Btw, kinda in a rush to get it wet because I leave for a business trip on Monday & will be gone for a month.

Chris LaPanse

11-12-2004, 07:27 PM

ouch, that's gotta suck. I hate it when something like that happens (I've never done that, but I have done other things equally stupid).

ejp

11-12-2004, 09:40 PM

[B]Dang!!!!. I wish I had that much room in my nitro hammer.

Doubledog

11-13-2004, 01:55 AM

Dang!!!!. I wish I had that much room in my nitro hammer.

Even then, you still find room to complain....(speaking about myself). Pun intended. :o

This one has been a pleasure to build. As you've noted, its got space. What I like especially is that the cowl goes all the way to the front of the boat. Really opens it up.

Just ordered three more starters last night. Watch me forget another one ;)

Doubledog

11-13-2004, 02:23 PM

Nov 13. She's wet.

Weather & wife allowed us to finally get the test run over. It was an interesting day. Fired up quickly, (no busted starter this time) & sped off. A few less than half throttle passes & everything looked good. Turns equal in either direction.

Then something happened for the days events. <sigh> :o :o :o

Noticed the cooling wasn't working good. Brought it in... leaves.

Fired up, another minute into the run, the exhaust changed sound... Lose header screws.

Later, lose cooling head screws... Allowed lots of water to come in the boat from around the cylinder.

Header O' rings were not seating good letting gobs of water in the boat.

Tank vent was not working good. Engine seemed to be starve for gas when showering down for an almost WFO pass. Just past the halfway point of my straightaway, it would stall a little. After backing off to less than half, it would rev back up. Could be the needle settings. Didn't check.

Boat runs very wet.

Drive shaft is split with the bottom of the boat. Ran a stock 275 for first slow runs. Then went to a mod 275 with reduced diameter to bring up the R's.

Engine just seemed very sluggish. Left the needle settings as set from the fact. Only a tank & a half.

Top speed while jerking around.... 37 & change. Depressed? Yes. Should I be? No. There's a lot of room for setup. This boat runs very high 50's with box stock 260 & European quiet pipe. The first thing to change is moving the tank inside the left sponson. Why the left... to help with torque. Next, play with strut adjustments, props & pipe lengths. Need to figure out what the hell was happening with the dang cooling.

Talk about venting.... seems like thats what I'm doing now. Obviously depressed huh. Expected too much. Set-up. Its solid, but temporary.

Thats enough writing for now. I'll be out of town for a month starting Monday.

Thanks for keeping up with this & for the encouragement along the way.

Best Regards,
Jamie

Doubledog

11-13-2004, 02:32 PM

nutter
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Doubledog

11-13-2004, 02:38 PM

humm.

Doubledog

11-13-2004, 02:42 PM

almost done.

Doubledog

11-13-2004, 02:45 PM

Actual speed? Boat? Hah, we'd be in the record books.

This was driving home while trying not to get ran over :D

Have a good one gents.

BurnZ

11-13-2004, 08:45 PM

What, no action pics? Come on, you can't just bring out the appitizers and not the main course. :D Chris

Doubledog

11-14-2004, 02:28 AM

Action pics would be nice too. Didn't like the idea of one handing the radio & fiddling with the camera. :D Next time its wet will be in two to three months.

Burny, what do you have going on? Talk about appitizers......... :)

BurnZ

11-14-2004, 09:58 AM

Didn't you force your wife to go?

I've been messing with a Mac's pipe on my hammer. Here's something frustrating that happened to me the other day. I was testing the pipe. There was alot of leaves floating in the local pond, and she was running great when she all of a sudden started going 1/2 speed. Brought her in and, of course, there were several leaves on the turn fins and some wrapped on around the drive shaft and prop. When I pulled them off of the drive shaft and prop I noticed that one blade was missing. :mad: That makes 2 in the past 3 months. I'm about to ditch the nylon props and go with metal.

rc10gtisthebest

11-14-2004, 05:26 PM

BurnZ, Definatley go with metal... Save you some time and hassle.

Doubledog

11-24-2004, 08:09 AM

97TRAKIN

11-24-2004, 04:48 PM

Anyone have some good suggestions for a stinger drive for the mono? I've looked at SpeedMaser but am not quite sure. Ballentines has come to mind also. Got plenty of Octura stuff laying around but don't want it this time.

Planning on building the PSR Wave Fighter mono instead. Cali Drag is up for sale. Runs high 50's with stock power.

Speak to me.

ps. Can someone post a pic of what the drive shaft looks like for these setups? Is the stub shaft welded on or have a shaft, ferrel & then long threaded stub shaft?

Speed master is one of the only stingers that CAN-NOT use a two peice shaft(shaft, ferrel & then long threaded stub shaft).

You don't have to settle with the length of the stub shaft. I cut down my WHH stub shaft and it yelded GREAT results. Now I am trying to blow my boat over. I think it's to cool to see it take flight. :D

97TRAKIN

11-24-2004, 05:15 PM

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Chilly

11-25-2004, 04:21 AM

Hey 97TRAKIN, something wrong with those link´s, I think...

Doubledog

11-25-2004, 06:03 AM

Preciate it.

Can you show me some detailed pics of everything? Drive shaft laid out & real visible with the attachments etc...?

What bearings does it use? I'd like to stick with brass sleeve if possible.

How long is the Enforcer stinger unit to the end of the prop? I'm needing to get it out there 4" to work for my setup.

Reason I'm saying is because I'm not crazy about the looks of Enforcer's unit. BUT..... if it is that functional, then guess what I might be going with.

Thanks for the help.

97TRAKIN

11-25-2004, 01:08 PM

It uses lead teflon bearings the same ones that are used in the XP drive (Drive used on the Gator). It sticks out a little over 4" so it should work for you. Remember the farther out it sticks the more it will lift the transom and you will need more rudder to turn left and hold it straight. I now have my rudder trim set straight and the boat tracks straight since I cut the lenght of the stinger and stub shaft down to about 3-1/2".