Hot Bodies Lightning Stadium (PRO/RTR)

[spurgear1]

well IMO the truck flies 100% different with the bce chassis, its thicker, weighs less then stock, the material is better then HB's 7075, i do not knwo if its from milled areas or if its just that much stiffer letting it fly better.. all i know is it is not the same jumper it was before the chassis..

the problem with revo rods to the front are where they screw into the bulk.. you will actually bend those screws, break the diff cas and so on.. vertigo mounts to the steering posts which are much more heafty as they are 4mm bolts

come check out www.truggyracers.com look at the pinned index in the stadum section

also a added item to vertigo's front brace.. place to mount transponder!!

Thanks guys I may not need to brace it ive got front racers edge chassis brace fitted, doudled steering post brace, doudled steering ackerman. The rear Pro R has 2 cnc aluminum mounts on chassis that the flat brace screws to ,not plastic, i thought for good measures i would add a tie rod to rear and front but like CRS said i havent found a good place to anchor it to towards middle of chassis, might do more harm than good. I can just see that center diff mount giving way . Now, aluminum center mounts different story. You dont need much the other braces have done most of the work.

[CRSMP5]

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/12_05/bcenvertigo/bce_meets_vertigo%20001.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/12_05/bcenvertigo/bce_meets_vertigo%20003.jpg

the one thing the vertigo cf includes.. look at the center diff piece and how the rear rod mounts to it.. also note how the rod i slevel between teh brace and the center diff.. if you have this at any angle it will mess up as being in a angle changes how things are stressed.. yes i have the king headz front brace too, this way i have a solid mount to the chassis between the front/center diff so i know nothing bows..

thats the new ofna 150cc tank.. sadly its go tthe same part number the 145cc tank has and the tag says 145cc too.. BUT there is one differance..
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/12_05/bcenvertigo/bce_meets_vertigo%20002.jpg
the 2nd hole right there is not drilled on the 145cc tank, and the plastic is different as its not clear..

[Joe Tanto]

I just bought a Hotbodies Lighting Pro R, and started mounting servos, and other staff, I am using a 28 ongine from HPI. From what i read, it seems a good truggy. Any views?

Joe F
Malta

[Monsterbrad]

Joe I raced the 4.6 all summer and its been a pretty good engine.
All I can say is get the nova race products head for it.
Other then that you have a ton of reading to do.
Start at the beginning of this post and read the entire thing, pretty much all issues have been covered.
Also visit www.truggyracers.com
That is a great site for help also.
CRSMP5 and I are huge LSP fans as you will see.
His truck is by far the best one to use as a guide.
Mine is still pretty much all stock with a few things done to it.
Have fun welcome to truggy racing

[CRSMP5]

the k4.6 is a great engine, cannot wait to land one of the k4.6ho out of a hellfire...

on tr, there is a pinned index in the stadium section.. 99.9% of any issues/hop-ups are listed there

[CRSMP5]

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looks as if my time here is limited.. they are my photos and such, IMO im allowed to mark them.. ahhh well.. if i go missing you know why.. forget all the years of knowledge and info ive helped on this forum.. not a problem..

[Joe Tanto]

Thanks for your help, I will keep in touch.

Regards
Joe F :D
Malta

[Monsterbrad]

www.truggyracers.com
You will see my days numbered here also.
This is the internet and there are no regulations as far as I am concerned :mad:
I am going to have to agree there CR

[CRSMP5]

well brad the complaint is MY photos haveing a TAG to them.. im only hosting 1 set of photos, too hard to keep organized anyother way.. its pretty sad that i do not have a ability to even fix the 1st 70+ pages of my photo links, where they are all red Xs from the server change.. but its even worse when im NO LONGER ALLOWED TO POST PHOTOS as i marked them as i am their OWNER and when people steal my photo, they steal BW too, and well i can care less if they steal BW if MY NAME is on them..

by the way i have a 7075 BCE chassis on its way to me.. will have fri/sat and i also have a NEW camera comming to me.. SO I KNOW ILL HAVE LOTS OF NEW PHOTOS to show of NITROSENSE's sweet chassis.. too bad they will be tagged.. will even be the 1st to be tagged with the new Banner...

also brad.. int he past 145 posts ive only mentioned tr 8 times.. the major complaint is my photos..

[Monsterbrad]

BCE chassis is a must have for me
My new project is going to be fun

[Joe Tanto]

Does anyone knows from were I can get HB Lighting Pro R instructions, the one you get with the kit it's hopeless.


Joe F ;)

[702nitro]

Thats Hot Bodies for ya! I didn't like the manual either, there's a manual for the RTR version, but its a load of *#@$ just like the PRO. If Hot Bodies needed something to work on, this would be definitely worth looking at on their end.

[madforRC]

I have a lightening GT and have ordered a part and have now been waiting for over two weeks.I live in the united kingdom and use a lhs called modelsport uk annd have been in touch with them and it seems it the fault of hotbodies on supplying the parts quick enough this is also something that they should work on.

[Monsterbrad]

They do lack in the area of instructions.
but its not that tough to figure things out it's just nice to have something to go by.
Come one Hot Bodies
Lets get this problem fixed.

[CRSMP5]

ohhh no a link to my webspace :eek:

[click me for instruction scans (http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/pre_10_05/instruction_scans/)

use the buggy ones as they are the bomb.. the stadium has crap for instructions vs what the buggies have/had, feel free to print the pages, save them, so on.. one day ill own adobe and make them into PDF

did you try amain hobbies? they are great on hb parts supply..

[Joe Tanto]

Hi thank you for your help!!!

Regards
Joe F :D

[Monsterbrad]

U may want to try ebay also.
I know i have seen them on there.
Racing tomorrow

[CRSMP5]

why pay when its free there brad? take to kinkos if you want a hard copy..

got the chassis too brad :D

[4DMNYC]

Hey, I read somewhere on this thread a while ago that someone had an alloy pin brace in the rear and alloy knuckles up front. I've looked around but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Where are you guys buying them?

[CRSMP5]

you mean toe block? and the pro versions have 7075 knuckles.. just they are soft..

racers edge for they kyosho
HB has a rear toe blocks now
king headz has them
look at amain as he carries all 3

[Monsterbrad]

Just remember one thing with all that aluminum !!!
There will be no break point so the next one will be the diff casses.
I got t boned the last night and the hub carrier blew apart instead of breaking the wheel of blowin the diff case off.

[CRSMP5]

i still run plastic uprights and c hubs.. bling on the rest :D but i go with the cheap options.. im not paying 80+ for a set of headz knuckles, or 20+ for a hingpin brace that HB makes for 16..

now i do have the bad boy 7075 bce bling bling chassis.. ill have a hard ano one sometime next week too :D gettin ready for CRCRC winter fun.. have a whole complete 2nd lsp set up now.. just lacks electronics and aluminum arms on the 2nd one..

[Monsterbrad]

:D I have to get my project truggy under way here soon.
CR you are going to like what I am going to set up.

[CRSMP5]

i can hardly wait..

[spurgear1]

NIB Sportwerks .26 on ebay. Its my engine i just bought it to put in my pro -r only to find out Santa has gotten me a Novarossi P5. this has to go. Its already had the Sportwerks pullstart eliminator installed,with this back plate you dont grind the crank tab, it has 2 backplates brand new with it also in case you want to use rotostart, Hellava deal $100.00 as of 12-18-05

[CRSMP5]

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/ukbeetle/collection/1.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/ukbeetle/collection/3.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/ukbeetle/collection/4.jpg

[Monsterbrad]

Can we say Dune Buggy
That would be bad with some sand paddles :D

[CRSMP5]

i just hope nitro-killer finds someone else to make them.. hate to think these are the only ones ill ever have.. the cf one will never be used.. its the "shelf sitter/show body" as its so unique.. will save for special events..

[badboy2]

im getting my hard anodized one too from bce...

[Monsterbrad]

CR how is that BCE chassis ????
tell us all about it a little
plus I want one :D

[CRSMP5]

compaired to the 6065.. much harder to flex.. have not run it yet..

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/rnucell/prorlsp.jpg
is something else he is working on.. they are out to the annodizer too..

[badboy2]

CRS which shock tower is that?is that the hard anodized chassis on pic too?

[Monsterbrad]

CR I will be calling you to get a price on the BCE chassis.
I am looking in to all the parts that will be needed for my build.
This is going to be fun :D

[CRSMP5]

no thats bills photo truck, no hard anno yet, its a BCE shock tower.. BUT he is also working on a slightly redesing for multi shock positions too..

look up member nitrosense here.. you can PM him and ask about his products.. he posted a few pages ago.. LOL..

Brad, Bill asked me about you today (he tends to notice people talking about him).. :D just email/contact him on prices.. also prices will be going up after the new year.. so do some xmas shopping and buy stuff.. he will not be back in town till the 27th (lucky guy went on vac to see his family).. so make up a list of what you would like.. and hit him up then. You should have signed up and attended the CRCRC race too.. will have some nice door prizes to give away there that he is donating..

[Monsterbrad]

I have too work and can not make the CRC race
I will be there to watch saturday or friday night.
Not sure yet
THanks for the info

[CRSMP5]

fri is practice.. so come out sunday.. watch the real races.. :)

[Monsterbrad]

:mad: I will be there
I may go down sat night and stay the night somewhere.
that way I don't have to do all that driving in one day.
I wish I could race
damn work

[CRSMP5]

ill sell you floor space for 10$ sat night.. LOL..

[Monsterbrad]

:D
I bet you would
Hey does anybody know anything about the new 28 Mach
how many ports is it????
power???

[vegasdrift]

Hey guys,
I need your help. I'm working on a project using the lightning diffs. The problem is that the diff outdrive cups aren't long enough for the dog bones to reach. Does anyone know of any aftermarket or outdrives from another car that fit the lightning and are longer?

[CRSMP5]

what ya building? all the other buggies/mt that i knwo of with same style cup is same length.. kinda a standard.. but if i have some idea of what your building, i may know of a bone approx size you need..

[vegasdrift]

I'm converting my xtm x-terminator buggy into a truggy using the xtm mammoth suspension and lightning diffs. The diffs and pinion gear drop right into the diff cases and gives more acceleration than the stock diffs. That help?

[Monsterbrad]

V
I would like to see some pics of that when you are done :D

[CRSMP5]

why wont the xtm bones fit?

[vegasdrift]

They're not long enough. The stock xtm outdrive cups are longer than the lightning ones, allowing the bones to fit.

[CRSMP5]

ok.. since i have no info on xtm, can you measure the length for me? from pin to pin, not end to end..

hb lighting stadium is 133-134mm which is what a LST has (cvds)
Associated MGT is like 130mm (cvd), the rear dogbones on a stadium is like 130mm too
savage is 123mm but requires savage diff cups and stub axels to the wheels

[Monsterbrad]

The monster GT drive shafts work for a center replacement on these trucks cause mine has had one for while now.
CR I got Bill's email he is hooking me up with the v-2 BCE chassis.
Let the building begin!
Also what screw kit would you reccomend?????????

[CRSMP5]

i like glenn's screw kit.. but bill has a deal with tony.. so talk to him and get it included..

[vegasdrift]

Ok... The xtm dog bones measure(from pin to pin) 133mm on the outside and 128mm on the inside of the pins.
Where should I measure the cvds on the front from?

[Monsterbrad]

measure from the pin in the cup part to the pin that goes into the drive cup near the diff case.
That is the length CR is lookin for.
MGT shafts fit this truck but they are a little longer then the stockers.

[vegasdrift]

Measured the cvds and they are the same length as the dog bones. It looks like I'm going to need something around 36-37mm.

[CRSMP5]

brad your wrong.. the mgt ones are shorter then stock.. by about 1/8"

it almost seems you will have to get a custom set made up for your application.. none i know of are longer then the 133mm that a lsp/lst comes with

[vegasdrift]

Alright... thanks for the help. I hope I don't have to get a custom set made.

[Monsterbrad]

thats right
CR I remember now
You said that those MGT shafts would work to help the binding issue the stock Hot bodies ones were having.
:confused: oops

[badboy2]

ok.. since i have no info on xtm, can you measure the length for me? from pin to pin, not end to end..

hb lighting stadium is 133-134mm which is what a LST has (cvds)
Associated MGT is like 130mm (cvd), the rear dogbones on a stadium is like 130mm too
savage is 123mm but requires savage diff cups and stub axels to the wheels

are these for center dogbones replacement?i just noticed mine is a little bent.

[CRSMP5]

which one is bent? make sure the pin is not worn if its a cvd.. the rear is 130-133mm depending if cvd or not.. the front is same as the rear of a hb buggy..

[Monsterbrad]

I have a MGT drive shaft in the center rear of my truck.
It works great just have to trim the cross pin down where it hooks up to the center diff.

[GasGod]

Anyone try a STS.28 yet??I hear they are quite a nova killer for the price,(around $120-130)but has anyone really run one in a LSP??

[CRSMP5]

i thought the sts was a wasp 28 knock off which is junk.. if its got turbo head button stay far away..

[Monsterbrad]

CR great news
I got the new mach 427 off ebay and I took it apart to see what is going on in there that is different from the Mach 26 original.
Ported nicely but the rod is not double bushed ! :mad:
U know what that means as far as racing it

[Joe Tanto]

Does anyone can tell me from were I can get set up sheets for the HB Lighting Pro R?

Joe F
Malta

[CRSMP5]

as in set up sheets, you mean set ups? or the sheet to put set ups on?

i have sheets that will work to put them on.

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/pdf_files/lightning_setupsheet.pdf
robert made that up a while back for the buggy.. only a few differances..

as far as set ups.. id tell where.. but someone would get mad

that sux brad.. BUT if we get a LIST of people for a group buy, i have contact info on who to get double bushed rods from

[Joe Tanto]

Thanks for that, what is the deference between the springs that you find in the kit, there three sets, blue, black and red?

Joe F :cool:

[CRSMP5]

red is softest, black is med, blue is hardest.. i run black up front, blue in the rear.. there si no buggy spring as stiff as the red ones.. so basically you got all 3 sets that will work on the truck..

[Joe Tanto]

On what terraine you drive your Lighting Pro, we race on soil and its quite bumpy, what do you think I use, shall I try blue at the back and black front like you are using?

Joe F :)

[badboy2]

which one is bent? make sure the pin is not worn if its a cvd.. the rear is 130-133mm depending if cvd or not.. the front is same as the rear of a hb buggy..
my front ctr dogbone is bent...so will the mgt part fit?

[CRSMP5]

no the front center is buggy rear mgt no fit..

if real bumpy stick to the black ones..

[CRSMP5]

crcrc body #1.. this is my practice and some qualifyn body.. i still have to paint the "race" body up..

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock5/1_3_06%20001.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock5/1_3_06%20002.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock5/1_3_06%20003.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock5/1_3_06%20004.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock5/1_3_06%20005.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock5/1_3_06%20006.jpg

[CRSMP5]

Today the mail man had some goodies for me. Beleive me, any and all pictures I have seen are not truthfull at all to the quality looks of these. You can only judge the shocks appearance in person.

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw1.jpg

All the new pieces side by side except the 2 missing shock shafts.

Top left is the stock HB shock caps
Below them is the bronze bushings
Botton left are 4 of the 8 supplied bronze pistons.

orange o-rings are kyosho along with the clips, the rest of the kyosho rebuild kit is NOT needed.

Far right is the CRT boots and felts.

Top are the sweet shock bodies.

Now a note, these shocks come with instructions, one thing to relize is that due to the bronze and aluminum make up of the shocks, they will require a little break in time. So in a few tanks of fuel, it is required to take them apart, clean them and use new oil.

Now one thing about these shocks, they are longer then standard HB shocks, they are for they kyosho 777, Pop's could have trimmed them down, BUT being longer I doubt they will break shock ends and I have a ability to run buggy shock towers now :rock a upcomming project so I can have multi positions.

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw2.jpg
close up of the bronze pistons and spacers.
the shock body is also assembled

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw3.jpg
How the parts fit inside the shock body, slid onto the shock shaft, and a side view of the piston.

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw4.jpg
assembled, the one set of spacer springs are the gs storm progressive pieces that i use on the rear to help smooth out small ripples/divits

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw5.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw6.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw7.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/KMW/kmw8.jpg

http://www.kmwracing.com/

[badboy2]

so these r kyosho 777 stock shox?the shock body fits the stock shock cap?

[CRSMP5]

no those are KMW shocks.. just they are made for the 777 and the shock bodies are longer.. yes the shock bodies will fit the stock HB shock cap from a kyosho also..

[CRSMP5]

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock6/1.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock6/2.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock6/3.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Bodies/Hotbodies/stadium/stock6/4.jpg

[badboy2]

nice body...anyway did u hear about the hard anodized chassis yet?i think they were delayed coz i didnt get mine yet..

[CRSMP5]

i beleive bill is shipping tomarrow/monday.. i picked up my nomadio tonight :D man ohhh man.. the toys i got.. LOL.. i also received my new savvy pipe today too.. all im waiting on is my BCE stuff.. then my x-mas will be over.. and life will continue..

[Joe Tanto]

hi I will be opening the front and rear diffs to change th oil, do they have any settings when you close them, and the oil how do you fill it in the diffs?

there is a new chassis for the LSP, its done by another company, what views do you have about it?

thanks for your help, cos I am new in this R/C

Joe F :cool:
Malta

[Monsterbrad]

The BCE V-2 R
very nice chassis. I have one on the way very soon.
Chris is running one and it looks awesome.
Bill does a nice job on them.
Also don't worry for all you guys that ordered then through bill he is up grading to the v-2 with the better aluminum for no extra cost.
I am looking forward to starting the project truggy.
Hopefuly next month. :D

[CRSMP5]

the BCE chassis is killer..

basically take the diffs apart.. clean them out.. put back together.. add oil till its just on top of the cross pins.. then screw the big gear back on..

[badboy2]

crs hows that nomadio..thats the $550 radio right?

[CRSMP5]

i paid 450, has the original receiver, so get free upgradeded receiver which is a 150$ value.. :) so 450 to have 2 complete set ups is not bad IMO..

[Joe Tanto]

Thanks Chris

Joe F
Malta :)

[badboy2]

i paid 450, has the original receiver, so get free upgradeded receiver which is a 150$ value.. :) so 450 to have 2 complete set ups is not bad IMO..


thats a good deal...

anyway i have a question regarding my truck..im not sure if the setting on the radio is messed up or my servo.. but my truck swerves to the right ,it wont go straight..when its running the wheel goes to the right when i steer..what causes this?

[CRSMP5]

when you steer it only goes right? or it drifts to the right and you have to counter steer?

if counter steer to go straight, use the trim to get it to go straight..

if it only turns right, sounds like a bad servo..

[badboy2]

oh thanks man i got both problems different trucks hehe...

[Monsterbrad]

fried a 590 JR servo last night at the races!
So another night of nothing racing in doors.
Maybe this is a sign not to race in the winter.
CR got the BCE ordered today and the new screw kit.
I hope to start some assembly next week depending on when Bill gets me the new part that is holding me up.
This is going to be fun :D

[CRSMP5]

sweet!! but what part can bill have thats holdign ya up?

[Monsterbrad]

Nothing just depends on how long it takes him to get me the chassis and screw kit.
I have spent way too much money on this thing.
But this is my hobby so thats what it's for.

[CRSMP5]

ahhh ok.. LOL.. i changed the fluid in my shocks..

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/01_06/1_9_06%20006.jpg
25min of run time.. was a perty shade of grey.. LOL..

i also have the v2 transeiver, new temp sensor on teh way, i also relized my radio unit vibrate unit is not working, :( so also contacted them, in a week they are supposed to mail me a new unit, include a return lable, and once i receive it i send them back my defective radio unit :D now you tell me.. thats customer service!!

[Monsterbrad]

Chris I tore my Mach from my MGT down to check the rod.
No bushing and I can say that engine has about a half a gallon of very hard use on it...........Still running :cool:
The rod is not the same in the original Mach compared to the new 427 which is very much so heavier duty then Mach 26's
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:

[badboy2]

any news on the hard anodized chassis? from bill?

[Joe Tanto]

Hi my Pro R came with a chassis 7075-TS, can you tell me the difference when you compare it with the BCE V-2R chassis?

The chassis that came with it, it's more stronger then it was of the Stadium.

Joe F
Malta

[CRSMP5]

bill is so backed up at the moment.. not heard anything yet..

the bce is 100% better quality, lighter, stronger..

[Monsterbrad]

Well I hope that he gets the new chassis's out before the spring.
I have almost everything for the project truggy. :D
waiting on the main part the chassis :)

[CRSMP5]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/rnucell/v2447.jpg

guess what shipped out friday.. :P too bad i have to wait till tuesday to get mine from mail people.. holidays suck.. LOL..

[CRSMP5]

brad.. was at jefferson today.. buffalo people rented it for day.. tried out the new tires!!!!! they da bomb..

[JIMMYBANGBANG]

i gatta admit guys...this truggy is bad arse...i have owned 1/8 scale buggies, trucks, electric...the whole nine yards...

this thing can take a beatin....i took it out to the dunes and it fleeewwww...it handles a little different when i went to the track, just need to hit the gas off the jump so the nose isnt pointing down constantly...as for my buggy that i had...i had to hit the breaks in mid air all the time..i guess all trucks/buggies handle different..

but when i hit the banks...it hugs..and i have tons control on the corners..im diggin it.. :D

congrats to hot bodies for settin the standard on the truggy ordeal. lets see if HPI can compare..as i am sure they can and will..but ya dont know till you see the results ;) or basicly handle the car/buggy/truck/truggy yourself!

[Monsterbrad]

My chassis is here :D
Bill it looks awesome
Great job on the machining!!!!!
Let the building start.
This is going to be fun
brand new truck for K&B this spring.
Completely built by me :)

[CRSMP5]

Jimmy get a bce chassis it flys better, not determined why yet.. it could just be how i drive too.. what i learned is hit the jump at 1/2 throttle, well with my set up, and nose is perfect..

[badboy2]

got mine too looks really nice and i got a free tony screws hehehe

[Flying Finn]

Is there a 150cc tank that would be direct drop-in for LSP?
This subject has propably been discussed here already,but i wasn't in the mood for searching that piece of information from those 80+ pages :p

[JIMMYBANGBANG]

Jimmy get a bce chassis it flys better, not determined why yet.. it could just be how i drive too.. what i learned is hit the jump at 1/2 throttle, well with my set up, and nose is perfect..

right on...i will give it a try this afternnon. with me, when i come out the turn...i gun it..then flutter the gas before i hit a jump..(in theory i try and get more grip before launch) i might have to adjust and try and keep a nice steady speed. more than likely i just have to get use to it..lol i also HATE changing the whole vehicle around...i like to try and adapt to its original configuration..i figure they designed it the way they did for a specific purpose..but of course i will change the servos/radio/shock settings and so on.

[702nitro]

Is there a 150cc tank that would be direct drop-in for LSP?
This subject has propably been discussed here already,but i wasn't in the mood for searching that piece of information from those 80+ pages :p


The Ofna Violator 150cc tank works. You'll also need to get the mounting posts.

[Flying Finn]

The Ofna Violator 150cc tank works. You'll also need to get the mounting posts.Thanks alot! As for the posts,are these (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHSX8&P=M) the right ones?

[CRSMP5]

i use the stock stand offs with long screws and fuel tubing..

[supralative]

whats up everyone
just got me a LSP also

i have been reading about that BCE chassis
how can i get in contact with the seller on those

i have got some Kingheadz stuff on it already but is there anything else that should be addressed right away
i know the chassis braces for sure, got some knuckles also,
has anyone tried the CRT universals to see if they will fit

[CRSMP5]

from a post a while back..

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/11_05/BCE_RC_Racing/12.jpg
the ofna 145cc tank and HB cnc pipe mount!!

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/11_05/BCE_RC_Racing/13.jpg
yep a close fit.. but fits well

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/11_05/BCE_RC_Racing/14.jpg
:o rb tm728, same as tops/rex/rossi 28s with pull start.. installed with HB cnc machined engine mounts!!! perfect fit..

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/11_05/BCE_RC_Racing/15.jpg

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/11_05/BCE_RC_Racing/16.jpg
electronics installed!!

his section on truggyracers (http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/index.php?showforum=50) (he has all kinds of goodies he is working on) and to order one you can drop him a email at Raceum@earthlink.net i just ask to add in where you saw the chassis to the amil so he knows where he is getting hits from.

[CRSMP5]

well have fun guys.. ill be back monday night!!!! CRCRC is a commin.. tomarro wafter work in busy.. so will not make it on..

[Joe Tanto]

Hi guys, I lost one of the metal coller that goes in the front hub part number C8119, any hints what I can do instead of this coller? cos at the moment can't find localy.

Joe F :confused:

[Monsterbrad]

U must mean the bushing in the front steering block
thats something that will have to be machined to the exact same or just buy a set from amain.
Look in your manual and see what the part number is go to there site and get them.
www.amainhobbies.com

[CRSMP5]

its lik e2$ just buy them.. LOL.. im back.. LOL..

[702nitro]

Thanks alot! As for the posts,are these (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHSX8&P=M) the right ones?

Finn, That will work. You'll need to use Fuel tubing like CRMP said or you can use grommets to lift the tank off the chassis, or to dampen the vibrations. LOok at the pictures above...where holes were drilled on the chassis for the over flow fuel pipe on the tank. go to truggyracers.com they have a full thread on that subject

[badboy2]

did u guys try using 23mm wheels on lsp?is it a good idea?ive never seen one that have it ..

[CRSMP5]

they break stubaxels, bend knuckles.. 23mm IMO = bad

[yokozuna4x2]

hi crs...dont i know you from somewhere?
lol savage-central...thats where..
anyway do you know the specs on the powerfactory 26?
i put one in my savvy thinking it wont be all that great...but man was i wrong...it really made a fool out of me...lol
i put a picco .26 carby on it with the 9mm insert...it rocks for what it is...
so any input i can get on this mill would be greatly appreciated..thanks all

[CRSMP5]

just a punched out s-25.. when it gets a gal of fuel thru it, run it hot, aka close to 300f and its not too bad..

[supralative]

here you go guys

finally with a nice body and the wheels...its a bit wide so next i will use the CRT wheels with the better offset
body was painted by good buddy Jeff F.
looks great for the quick job he did....way cheap too


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[Flying Finn]

Finn, That will work. You'll need to use Fuel tubing like CRMP said or you can use grommets to lift the tank off the chassis, or to dampen the vibrations. LOok at the pictures above...where holes were drilled on the chassis for the over flow fuel pipe on the tank. go to truggyracers.com they have a full thread on that subjectOkay,thanks everybody!

[Monsterbrad]

truck looks sweet!
Those tires look impressive but those hubs like cr said are hard on the axles.
The guy I bought my 600 dollar parts truck from had a bunch of junk axles from those hubs.
Ran out of gas in the main last night costing me the race :mad:
still tied the winner in laps though :D
I was kickin azz

[CRSMP5]

too bad the hellfire took a poo.. LOL.. still no idea why it stopped running.. i think i need to sell it and just keep on with the hb knowledge.. LOL.. i do want one of the k4.6ho for the stadium.. i buy it fri :D 150 with pipe and clutch set up.. motor runs nice.. till it flamed out for no reason..

[Duster_360]

Sorry it disappointed - that sux, esp at a big race.

I thought you were going to run the Hellfire with another motor that was broken in? Did you have the time to take the HO apart and inspect/seal etc like you usually do? Any ideas on what the differences are in this HO motor. If this is popular, should start showing up on ebay as parts before too long.

Know anything about or have you seen a RE 32 run?? Supposedly made by same company that makes both 4.6's?

[supralative]

truck looks sweet!
Those tires look impressive but those hubs like cr said are hard on the axles.
The guy I bought my 600 dollar parts truck from had a bunch of junk axles from those hubs.



the hubs are not the standard 17mm buggy hexes....these are from OFNA and they are supposed to be used the T-Maxx conversion if you wanted 17mm hexes on that truck
if you look close you can see that the stub axle is surrounded by the hub...no insert is needed and there is no gap between the stock stub axle and the 17mm hub
i am pretty sure it is a bit hard on them but i like them better than the stock 14mm plastic hex set up
i think they are better than the 23mm conversion though

good job on the race still...didnt get to race mine it was geared incorrect for the motor i had
i need to go down to a 12 or 11 tooth clutch bell or 52 tooth spur gear

http://members.cox.net/supralative2/LSP%20Body%20001.jpg

[CRSMP5]

i did not run the hellfire at the crcrc race.. ran it where mb was sat night.. did not get it till tues night.. the way the hellfire engine set up is.. you have to mod things to fit other engines :( shoudl look at my thread on it as it blows.. so i broke inthe k4.6 yesterday morning.. then went to indoor track to see hwo she would do.. was doing ok.. till it killed me in the main..

[Joe Tanto]

hi CRS, I changed my diff oil and did them as follows:

Front 7000
Mid 50,000
rear diff grease of savage.

what do you think?

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

i would have used 3k in the rear.. if you notice rear torque steer change to that..

[Joe Tanto]

Crs, I found out that I suffered from understeer last Sunday, but still I have to try it out, on the track which I be racing on. The taraine is different from were I tried it on Sunday.

Joe F :cool:

[CRSMP5]

rear diff being too thin may do that as it does not push the truck as much since it unloads easier..

[Monsterbrad]

I have noticed one thing with tuning the diffs!
The track and the size has a major effect on the weights of the oils.
Just keep this in mind
bigger track heavier oils
smaller lighter oils
thats been my experience so far with the truggy.
I was looking over some new truggy info on the companies that are trying to copy our LSP here.
I think that Hot Bodies should go over the pro r and change a few things like the way that the arms are captured on the truck and change some minor other things and they would have a up dated contender against the new TTR and the X1 CRT.
Just some thought :D

[CRSMP5]

honestly brad.. one of the biggest flaws with the hellfire is how the hingpins are captured at the bulks.. see me sat and ill show you what i found on the truck and why if i cannot get off power steering why it hits fleabay sunday.. if its got off power steering ill work with aftermarket to build the fixes for it..

[Monsterbrad]

I am still thinking the LSP is the best truggy for most guys.
I look at it this way!
All summer of racing and it never once let me down from a technical problem that was not my fault.
I like this truggy a ton as you know.
Now comes the fun of maybe deciding which buggy to buy in the summer.
I hope to have the new pro r and BCE chassis build up ready for K & B.
:D

[badboy2]

i need help..im changing my lsp's front cvd ,so i took off the set screw that holds it.for some reason i cant take it off...do i need to do something else?i thot it should fall off once the set screw is out..i also need to know which front suspension holder from kingheadz i should get theres 0,1,2,3 degrees..which one will be good for racing?

[badboy2]

oh i took it out ..i pried it..man took me 2hrs to figure it out

[CRSMP5]

race ti with stock.. then try the plastic one that came with it.. see how it affects you ron and off power steerign and which you prefer for how you drive.. then you can decide upon headz parts.. BUT ill be honest.. stock is just fine..

[Monsterbrad]

Almost all of the stock parts work very well on this truggy!
I can say my truck has passed the test.
The new Pro R has some nice goodies on it but the regular pro stuff works very very well too.

[CRSMP5]

you shoudl see what i picked up today for 100$ brad.. and that old savvy i got from ya.. LOL..

[Monsterbrad]

You always find the good deals :mad:
Its cool LOL

[supralative]

With these two things pic1 and 2...the LSP has killer turning capabilities. My first test run with this set up was today and it was great...more steering response than my 777.
It was so good that it made me decide to keep it!!!

$20 part, and some time and you got the a killer cornering truggy.

Previoius owner had the wrong pinion gear for the front and rear diffs and iw was killing my low end...but that will all be fixed here shortly.

happy camper now hehehe

http://members.cox.net/supralative2/LSP%2017mm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/supralative2/LSP%20Body%20001.jpg
http://members.cox.net/supralative2/LSP%20Body%20009.jpg

[CRSMP5]

get some normal jammin wheels, aka 28mm offset vs the full off set ones you have.. this way it will not be as wide.. but still have full turning..

[supralative]

thats my plan hehehe
i just got to wear these out...LOL
she didnt have them on hand at the time so i just went ahead and tried the truggy ones
they work but as you know it makes them wide
it could be hard to pass though...in the turns and all hahahaa

[Joe Tanto]

I had my first two races today and came 4th and 3rd. Great truggy the Pro R

Joe F :)

[Monsterbrad]

my truck is dialed pretty good
got 2 1st's and one 2nd in the three heats and 1st in the main.
I just have to brush up on being more consistent.
This truggy is just too fun :D

[badboy2]

what else do i need to upgrade ?i got kingheadz brace and bce hard anodized chassis ..is it a good idea if i put 2 kingheadz front chassis brace?if u can also give me the part number for the shock ends?

is it also good to race with 40series bowties on 23mm ?

[CRSMP5]

i would do 17mm hex conversion.. the 23mm from what i have seen damage other thigns too easily.. i am using crt wheels on mine.. but thundertiger is has some interesting color choices.. i need a set of orange when they become avaliable..

i would do 1 king headz brace and the vertigo cf front brace..

kyosho 7.5 racers edge knuckles

http://www.amainhobbies.com

look under lightnign stadium hop ups, last page for knuckles and shock ends..

[Joe Tanto]

Hi CRS, I was cleaning and checking my Pro R, and I found out that the front of the chassis is bend a bit, my chassis is 7075-T6, is it something I have to worry about, or it has to be that way? sorry if it is a stupid question!! ;)

Joe F :confused:

[Monsterbrad]

The front of the chassis has kick up stock.
It depends to be completely honest here if there is no handleing diff then I would not worry about the chassis.
Keep running it.

[702nitro]

Hi CRS, I was cleaning and checking my Pro R, and I found out that the front of the chassis is bend a bit, my chassis is 7075-T6, is it something I have to worry about, or it has to be that way? sorry if it is a stupid question!! ;)

Joe F :confused:

Like monsterB said, yes both 6065 & 7075 have that natural bend by design on the front. But what i would is do a full chassis inspection and check for any warping. I noticed that on my 7075 that the part of the chassis that has the wings where the droop screws set was warped.

[702nitro]

i would do 17mm hex conversion.. the 23mm from what i have seen damage other thigns too easily.. i am using crt wheels on mine.. but thundertiger is has some interesting color choices.. i need a set of orange when they become avaliable..

i would do 1 king headz brace and the vertigo cf front brace..

kyosho 7.5 racers edge knuckles

http://www.amainhobbies.com

look under lightnign stadium hop ups, last page for knuckles and shock ends..

Im just curious cause I just ordered the 23mm conversion to upgrade from the 14mm hex system. I had too much problems with the 14mm's with the proline 40 series, such as stripping the hex on the wheel, or breaking the wheel off.

What does the 23mm damage?

[CRSMP5]

knuckles bend like wet noodles, breakage of hing pin braces, breakage of c hubs..

[Joe Tanto]

Hi if you will be suffering from grip rolls, what's the best thing to do?
what toe in you will use at the back and chumber? mine its 3 at the rear and 1 at the front.

Joe F ;)

[Monsterbrad]

Those pro line wheels are JUNK!
I have been running RPM titans and stock T-crap wheels and Savage wheels with no issues and the stock 14mm drive hexes.
proline makes great looking products but they are not that great for racing applications

[CRSMP5]

joe..

i use the 54mm rear toe block, you may loose a titch of straight line stability.. but you gain in turning..

i run my front toe 0 with arms level.. the compression aka under braking gives me toe in, and under accell toe out.. IMO i think its more stable..

[Monsterbrad]

steering depends heavily on what you are using for diff fluids too
keep that in mind

[Joe Tanto]

thanks for your help, I will try and change the toe in, an see what it will result.

I was using a clutch with two carbon and 1 alum. still it got worn out, what I'll be trying is to change my clutch bell to 14, and i will try a full carbon clutch. Re:clutch bell, I am using 15 tooth, were I am suffering from accelaration when I am getting out of corners, but fast on a striaght line.

Joe F :rolleyes:

[Monsterbrad]

Drop to the 14 and get some Mugen aluminum shoes they are the best in my mind.
I have had no problems with them.
Either .9 springs or 1.0 will work great with that shoe.
have fun :D

[Joe Tanto]

If you are using fuel of Byron, with 16% nitro and 12% oil, for the life time of the engine is it a good fuel, my engine is an HPI 28, 4.6. and when you compare it with the Wild Cat fuel, which is with 20% nitro and either 18% oil or 14% oil?

thanks for all your help guys!!! :D

Joe F

[Monsterbrad]

Byron and Oddonnel
they are the best fuels on the market.
I have had nothing but luck with both of them.
my K 4.6 still has good pinch but the crank bearings are bad.

[CRSMP5]

dont ya mean my k4.6 brad :P

i picked up 2 casses of whitelightning for a steal.. 80$ and have a truck/driver to test it out this summer..

i use odonnals..

brad have you tried nova shoes? i suggest getting a set as they supposedly last alot longer.. :)

what engine joe?

[Joe Tanto]

My engine is a HPI 28, 4.6, Chris!!! yesterday another problem my rear diff broke down, I will soon check what the problem is.

Joe F :cool:

[Monsterbrad]

Chris is that Nova race products shoes
No I have not.
I will if they are good though.
The new pro-2 will be mine very soon.
This summer is going to be fun
New truck to race again.
Anybody want a LST???
Mine is FOR SALE
450 takes the truck RTR

[CRSMP5]

ill let ya know next time nova has a sale brad.. but yep.. i expect the next sale in a month or so..

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/02_06/2_12/2.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/02_06/2_12/3.jpg
is the truggy thats going to use whitelightning.. ran 4 tanks of break in yesterday,
its got a kpi k4.6ho from a hellfire in it.. got a great deal on it.. its also full of headz parts..

http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/uploads/thumbs/401.jpg (http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/uploads/images/401.jpg)

http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/uploads/thumbs/400.jpg (http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/uploads/images/400.jpg)

hey brad.. new stuff for the pro2.. im still waiting on my egg blue wheels/wings from amain and have another body painted for it..

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/02_06/2_12/1.jpg

[CRSMP5]

ohh also a note on the thumbnails.. that was before i got the rear aluminum arms for it.. which are now installed.. :D

[Joe Tanto]

What's the best plug to use on my k4.6 engine?

Joe F :confused:

[CRSMP5]

what fuel, what humidity/climate, outside temps..

i run mc59s year round, 20% odonnals, high humidity, either cold or up to 90f.. never see much more then that..

[badboy2]

crsmp lmk too about the sale..btw my lsp doesnt seem to work on starter box..is it because im using werks racing clutch set up?

[Joe Tanto]

I am using at the moment Byron fuel with 16% nitro and 12% oil, humidity here it's high, over 70 and sometimes even 95. the weather is cold at the moment, but from April May it starts getting wormer. The plug I am using is an HPI cold-R5.

After a run i am finding that I still have some fuel in the tank, what I can do about it, I am still using the kit tank.

What parts do you think you should have ready for the Pro R?

Joe F :cool:

[CRSMP5]

parts for the pro-r?? whats that mean?

i say try out the mc59.. :) being a hot plug helps it start up when cold liek it is.. high levels of humidity will actually retard the ignition timming, using a hotter plug advances the timming to resolve that...

truck shuts off and you have fuel left over? or your bored and stop running and fuel left over?

got the chrome top starterbox badboy? set of the cnc engine mounts, depends on engine, or open up the sides of the slot.. or find a old mugen mbx-4 flywheel as its bigger in diameter.. but eliminates the werks clutch..

[Joe Tanto]

Crs when the engine stops, sign of no fuel and I still have left in the tank, to start the engine I use a rotostart, and so far no problem to start the engine.

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

stock engine?

[Monsterbrad]

Be careful when using the bigger flywheels on this truck.
I have one on my Mach and it's giving me trouble.
Going back to the stocker due to the fact that the Mach has the Roto Start.
CR my new pro-r will be here saturday.
I also got a 777 sp-1
Got a pretty good deal on it has all Kingz Head stuff on it plus servo's.
don't know when its going to be running needs a motor and pipe and some other small things to be ready for some racing action.
The new pro-r is going on the new BCE chassis.
I have some new ideas for bracing
I will post pics in a few weeks when the project is complete! :D

[CRSMP5]

you headed to crcrc on sat? ill be down there for some race time :P

[Ball Racing]

How is the bigger flywheel giving you trouble Brad?

[CRSMP5]

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/02_06/2_12/gayblue%20001.jpg
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now brad.. if you take that color from me.. im just goign to have to wip you on the track.. he stole my orange wing color.. LOL..

[Monsterbrad]

give it your best shot CR :D
I had to go orange had the orange truggy body on there.
You have to say my truggy does look pretty good
I noticed I have been racing with a cracked front hub for a while now and its still going.
I like how they run broken like that
cracked where the pin goes through the bottom where they always crack.
Just a good place to check out all the time when racing.

[Joe Tanto]

When you rebuild a diff, does it tends to be a bit harsh?

Joe F :confused:

[Monsterbrad]

Diffs are messy
There is no doubt about that.
I take them apart and let them sit over night with the cup down on a towel so all the oil comes out.
Some guys rinse them out with cleaners but I just let it drain out.
Works better then you don't mix cleaner with the new oil.
WD-40 does a nice job of cleaning the diff out also.

[CRSMP5]

i would have had 1st if scrappy brother did nto take me uot brad.. it was some of the best racing ive ever had.. no tackle foot ball like the big race..

[Joe Tanto]

Thx Monsterbrad.

I change my springs to blue, before I was using black, the track surface is bampy, and what was happening is, that I had alot of grip at the back, and when I was hitting the throttle it was spinning, and I had to shut the throttle down.

Is it a problem from the diff oil,or springs, and what do you suggest me to do, so it will be more stable.

Diff oil I am using are front 7000, mid 50,000 and rear 5000.


thanks guys

Joe F :)

[CRSMP5]

soften the rear up.. its a little trick i learned yesterday.. :D this alone was worth 1-2 sec a lap faster lap times..

it was something i figured out trying to get my buggy under control.. so tried it on my lsp too..

[badboy2]

what wt did u use for the rear?btw does grease works better than oil?

[Joe Tanto]

Crs if I soften the rear, you mean I put the black springs again, and what about the diff, as I told before the rear is 5000, mid 50,000, and front 7000, what do you suggest, at the moment the tarraine is very loose, and if you are using rims with wide offset does it make any difference in understeer?

Joe F :)

[CRSMP5]

im using 5k rear.. oil.. grease i think packs away from the gears so oil is better IMO..

yep put the black back on it.. enough preload to keep the springs on the retainers.. but no more..

i use off set wheels for max turning ability.. i get way more then with non off set..

[Joe Tanto]

CRS, with grease in the diff I already had that problem, and it broke down for me, if I use 1000 or 3000 oil, would it be better, and re: the shock springs, I will use black at the rear, I use spacers with them??

Thanks CRS

Joe F :eek:

[CRSMP5]

use only enough spacers to keep the springs on the keepers.. else you will loose the keepers..

use oil.. does not break down as easily..

[Monsterbrad]

I have not messed with the stock springs at all yet.
I have the new Pro- R on the new chassis and things are comming together.
I may have to try the springs to see what it does.
The BCE chassis is nice :D
I am going to make a custom rear brace!
pics hopefully comming soon
For this set up I am using heavier oils cause this is going to be run at K&B and last year the heavier center fluids kept the tires from ballooning in the front.
CR I may be running the k 4.6 again got a new one cheap with the Nova head on it.
I like the new Pro R
I should have it complete this week.
I will have it at the track saturday

[CRSMP5]

im still trying to decide what im doign sat.. depends on weather.. but i myself was thinking erie indoor for some 1 on 1 time with my son since sat is their practice day.. i inhaled way to much at crcrc this past week and was too damb cold.. LOL.. if its me and him and a few others at erie ill be happy.. need to get him going on his stuff..

[Joe Tanto]

If I will be using the blue in front, does it result that you will have understeer since it will be hard, or shall I use black front and rear?

Joe F

[Monsterbrad]

I would drive the truck with all black
see how it is
then change them to the blue
see how it is
thats the best way to tell cause everybody's driving style is different.

[CRSMP5]

i have never used blue up front.. i always wanted the front to be a little more soft.. but i run a thicker oil up front to slow down its lift/sink under accel/braking

ive been running blu eon the back to keep the rear arms level under power/costing as squating is odd aroudn the track.. the squat on clay though gave it more bite..

[Monsterbrad]

I have to say that tuning the diffs and the oils in the shocks has worked the best for me.
I have not messed with the springs at all.
and changing the pre loader spacers on the shocks

[CRSMP5]

i know what ya mean brad..

the shock spacer sat was a effort to get my buggy under control.. i had 0 rear traction with stock oils in it.. but i was using panther clay tires on clay that most use.. so it made no sence.. so i asked scrappy who has been running buggy inside on clay and asked him what he thought on my removing the rear spacers.. so we then discussed what he had done, what they did at the big race on the buggies, so i removed all my spacers and my god, besides it being alot more less reactive, needed to change shock oil to cure this trait, it had traction from hell.. its just it reacted so much slower.. LOL..

so i pulled my pink gs springs ive been using on my lsp they work like spacers when compressed, turned my nut my kmw threaded shocks enough to hold the springs on the keepers when at full droop and wow.. the rear end no longer tries to kick out under power.. thats where my loss had been.. it now bites hard, and launches the truck out of a corner..

why im telling him to sofen up the rear of his truck some and try it out.. ;) easy enough to pull the spacers.. if he sees a improvement.. then he can sofen it up a tad more and see how much he can go to keep the rear end in line..

also brad.. i realy hate giving up my tips to you.. LOL.. just dont be like scrappy's bro and take me out of the race when im winning... LOL

[Monsterbrad]

:confused: CR you know I race fair :D
I am open to what I have done to mine.
It's all in the driver mostly any ways.
I took my shocks off that I was using at K&B
put them away
I had luck at the bigger track with 60wt all the way around and the stock black springs

[CRSMP5]

wow 60wt.. LOL.. i want outdoor season to get here.. LOL.. tired of little smelly, smoke filled indoor races..

[Joe Tanto]

CRS, I am using 7000 front diff, and rear 3000, I have put black springs front and rear, now I will give it a try tomorrow and see how it works. Next step shock oil.

Joe F :D

[CRSMP5]

hmmmmmm one thing joe.. i woudl only change 1 thing at a time... if you changes more then 1 thing you donot know what thing changed the effect incase its not what you wanted... you can switch the 1 thing back..

[badboy2]

which engine mount i can use to lower my engine?

[CRSMP5]

the pro-r comes stock with them.. else the hb cnc mounts..

[CRSMP5]

hey brad i have th epart number for 17mm non off set kyosho orange mt wheels.. im waitign to see if amain can get me some..

[Joe Tanto]

What tuned pipe shall I use for my K4.6, at the moment I am still using the kit pipe....

Joe F :D

[CRSMP5]

i never got around to testing pipes yet on the k4.6 this spring i will be playing with my selection of pipes to find which one is best. need to knwo for tripod's ho and my ho versions..

best to me will be 7-8 min run time, good top end, no losses on bottom..

[Monsterbrad]

O would say put a JP-2 on it
THe engine has tons of low end grunt and the JP-2 pipe will help the high end.
I raced with the stock Hot Bodies pipe all last summer and had no problems with the way the motor ran.
Cheap pipe that works very well :D

[JIMMYBANGBANG]

i decided to try and load up on extra parts on EBAY, well i decided to purchase from this seller: *41* his email is christopherseitz@msn.com

i paid him 75 dollars 2 days after winning the auction bid, 9 days later come to find out, the package was so called delivered, well, i never received any package, i contacted the seller for info, he basicly told me to stop jumping his arse, and he is not the post office and threatened to leave a negative feedback if i even attempt to leave him one..

well, i made a clain through pay pal..but however, i am sure i wont win the case, as most of the time the buyer gets the short end of the stick.

but for future references, DO NOT deal with this individual, he was rude and was very disrespectfull.

these are times when i wish i would have just spent the extra 10 dollars to deal with a establishment that has good customer support.

but at any rate, if you are planning to do buisness with this individual, beware, if something was to happen to your order..you are **** out of luck, he would just tell you to go play in traffic or whatever the case may be.

[Ball Racing]

E-Bay is buyer beware to me..
In the long run dealing with your hobby shop will keep you and him going longer..

[Joe Tanto]

hi how can I improve my steering? i suffer from understeer!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for helping me guys!!!! :D

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

understeer.. did you get the rear end hooked up yet?

[CRSMP5]

we need to play with 1 end of the truck at a time.. why i ask.

[JIMMYBANGBANG]

E-Bay is buyer beware to me..
In the long run dealing with your hobby shop will keep you and him going longer..

note taken...and unfortunately i had to learn the hard way :mad:

but at any rate, he offered my money back and all is good! both sides are nuetral! :D

[Joe Tanto]

understeer.. did you get the rear end hooked up yet?

OOOPS :eek: I am still with 56 toe block, I will do the 54 block now.....

Thanks

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

i ment as in traction.. :) you will make the rear end a little more squirrly by changing the toeblock.. why im trying to work on the loose rear end before more steering.. as to play with both, you will never resolve issues.. :(

[Joe Tanto]

hi CRS, I have put the 54 block at the back, and as you told me, I am going to try and solve the rear end first. I went up to the track, this morning and as I told you before the track is very bumpy, still I have the rear end loose.

When I am exciting a corner, on accelaration the rear end is loose, re: springs all black front and rear. :confused:

Thanks
Joe F

[CRSMP5]

what tires and how is the surface? and i also assume that was with very little preload?

P.S. i hate the new color layout.. this sux....

[Joe Tanto]

Surface soil, and bumpy, and Crime fighters I am using, with offset rims.

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

so its loose soil? or packed hard..

if its loose soil your tire selection is probally not best.. but this also explains poor steering.. they just do not bite into the surface.. so the rear end will come around.. they will also push, this will also happen if its hard packed with dust.. see if you can borrow some bowties, or zombies, or hpi dirtdawgs from a friend/fellow racer

if a clay hardpacked type of surface with little dust... you have me stumped.. LOL.. but i do have 1 more test for ya... if you have some simple green clean the tires in it, let them sit, then rinse them off with warm water.. keep the tires clean, aka zip lock baggy.. then goto the track and see if it hooks up better.. the simple green will make the tires sticky and will help with traction..

but at this moment im thinking its traction issues.. either the wrogn tire for the surface, which a crimefighter in the loose would be, or on dust they would be..

[Joe Tanto]

A friend told me to use brick pin tyres, with 0 offset, he is using this type of tyres and there are others who are, and the traction they have is great.

I will try this tyres hopefully tommorow. :D

Joe F

[nigru]

This truggy is no way near the technology of the kysoho MP777 Truggy! Kyosho already won a truggy champion ship! Hehe, yes kyosho

[Monsterbrad]

Nigru
Don't even start talkin **** in here about this truggy.
Who had the first actual Truggy out that was not a Complete take off from a buggy or a conversion from a buggy??????
yeah thats what I thought
CR my new truck is almost ready.
going to be sweet :D

[CRSMP5]

LOL.. no it may not be near kyosho technology.. LOL.. kyosho used the lightning to improve upon.. hell someone had to play catch up to even have a truggy that could race.. LOL..

i have thought about the 777-st.. but honestly.. unless you can DRIVE which most of my co-racers cannot, just ask brad, there is no need for anythign more..

[Joe Tanto]

hi CRS it's the rear diff that was giving the problem, now I repaired it, and use the (spiders) of Kyosho, will see how it works. The thing is that the diff was not always locking, and I couldn't notice that it broke down!!!! :mad:

Joe F

[Monsterbrad]

With Spiral cut gears you have to mess with shimming the ring and pinions a little to get them right.
Remeber the plactic cases stretch a little so tighter is ok at first when everything is still new.
The Kyosho gears are not as good as the spiral cut gears in my opinion.
Not shimmed properly and gear will suffice to the pressures of racing.

[CRSMP5]

wrong gears brad.. he is speakign of the spiders aka inside of differantial.. you could not use a kyosho ring/pinion as the gear ratio would be way off..

[Joe Tanto]

You are right, the spiders SORRY!!!!!!!!!

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

no reason to be sorry joe.. i knew what ya were talkign about :D

[Monsterbrad]

Thats what I thought at first but I was not sure.
The Kyosho out drives in the Hot bodies diffs work very well.
Have them in mine.

[Joe Tanto]

Bloody diffs, now the front broke down, the problem in diffs I am having is aswell inside the diff housing, the platic brakes down from the inside. The front which I have to open yet most porbably the problem is from there.

Joe F

[Monsterbrad]

Are you doing 360's with the truck ????
THis is very hard on the diffs.
I have to say you are the first person I have heard of having trouble with the diffs in any 1/8 scale application.
make sure you are getting enough diff fluid in them also.
Fill them enough so that the oil comes out the holes when re assembling it.
Also make sure you are using good oils.
Mugen makes good diff oil.
Don't use silicone shock oil not the same thing.

[Joe Tanto]

hi yes i am using ofna diff silicon oil for them, the only thing I am doing is that a friend told me to fill them up to the cross!!!

Another thing can we use the Nova diff cup aluminium of Savage(see pic), still I have to see if it fits.

Joe F ;)

[Monsterbrad]

CR will those work???
Like i said before I have been running the stock pro diffs for a while now with no problems.
I have had some shimming issues but they are easliy taken care of.
I have not heard of anyone having trouble with the internal gears like you are having.

[Joe Tanto]

Well what I will do for sure is, that I fill it up the diff cup to the top!!


thanks mate

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

no no cannot fill to teh top.. the oil expands when it gets hot..

yea the savage ones will work, but you need the proper bearign fro them

brad.. july issue pro-r and pro rtr have a diff issue with teh diff gears.. the big bevel gear is too thin..

[Monsterbrad]

I fill the **** outa my diffs
Never had a problem yet
even with 120,000 in the center during the summer :D

[Joe Tanto]

Hi CRS I tried the diff cup of savage aluminium, but when I put the screws on it got tight, I will try again today and see what will result. The only thing is that the rear diff I am using with Kyosho spiders it's really running smoothly.

will see

Joe F

[Monsterbrad]

kyosho out drives work very well also!
I have them in my truggy and like them very much so far
they are harder then the Hot bodies ones too which helps for wear

[Joe Tanto]

Today I got the ofna 145cc fuel tank, plus the posts and spacers for it.
I should have no problem fixing it CRS?

Joe F :D

[Monsterbrad]

I am using the Ofna Voilator tank and I believe that CR is using that one too.
They bolt right in no problems.
Just add longer screws and some fuel tubing and away you go.
The new Kyosho truggy looks pretty sweet guys

[CRSMP5]

the front mounting hole is a different place.. if your usign the HB cnc pipe mount it will be a issue.. if not use teh 3mm hole by the pipe mount and life is good.. BUT are you sure its 145cc not 150cc? newer tanks are 150cc but have teh 145cc tag.. there is 2 holes on teh clutch bell "nippile" side of the tank on the 150cc version..

[Monsterbrad]

I am pretty sure i have a 2 hole version.
This tank either way makes running this truck much nicer

[Joe Tanto]

It's the 145cc tank, Part No:40109, I got the polls for it aswell CRS, and I am using CNX fix mount for the tuned pipe. What they told me is that I have to drill a hole for one of the post.

Joe F

[CRSMP5]

joe.. the 145cc tank superceeded/was replaced to a 150cc tank.. ;) same part number.. but on the side of the tank the nipple comes out for the engine, it will have 2 holes not 1 if its 150cc..

brad.. the mi rc pro series and things like the ohio tripple crown will be using rc pro series rules = 150cc MAX fuel including filters/fuel line. why this is important to know.. LOL..

i might put my 145cc tank back on to make my live easier.. LOL..

yep you need a 2nd hole joe or you can build a custom tank mount..

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/12_05/BCE_7075_v1/bce_7075_v1%20001.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/12_05/BCE_7075_v1/bce_7075_v1%20002.jpg
http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/12_05/BCE_7075_v1/bce_7075_v1%20003.jpg
is how i made up a custom mount :) the piece of plastic comes with wing mounts..

[CRSMP5]

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/Hotbodies/12_05/bcenvertigo/bce_meets_vertigo%20002.jpg

that 2nd hole is how to tell if 145cc or if it has it its 150cc

[badboy2]

so for the 145 the nipple is on the cb side and on the top?what about the 150cc where r the nipples?will the 150 fit tho?

[CRSMP5]

nipples in the same place.. look at photo above.. where the tank mounts it has a hole to the right of it.. if it has that hole its 150cc.. else its molded over on the 145cc tank..

[badboy2]

so either 150 or 145 will fit on bce chassis?which mounts are u using?did the tank came with mounts?

[CRSMP5]

the other post above is the one mount i had to make with my using the hb cnc pipe mount.. else you use that hole.. most do not come with mounts.. yep it will fit besides my creation of the 1 mount to clear my cnc pipe mount..

[jmcn r]

damnit...i just realised since setting up my RC's all over again yesterday after many months of being away.....


that i should just buy a damned LSP and get it over with. :p lol, nowhere to use it, needing to scale down my collection...and needing to invest my money more wisely....

but i will probably get one soon anyway, lol :D

CR, MB and the rest....your like drug dealers pushing all this LSP goodness :p

[Monsterbrad]

We do love these truggy's that's for sure.
All 1st places this weekend at the track again.
I have this thing dialed
It's awesome!

[CRSMP5]

http://www.truggyracers.com/CRSMP5/veggi_cruzer/day2/passit_day2%20002.jpg

is more fun then truggies brad.. LOL.. why i have not been racign and why it will be april before i get a opertunity to fire up any rc.. :)

http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/uploads/thumbs/516.jpg (http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/uploads/images/516.jpg)

i picked it up sunday.. last sunday i went and put a downpayment on it.. LOL..

[Joe Tanto]

Hi any opinions regarding the Force engines, 21 and 25??

CRS I fixed the tank this week.

Joe F :D

[jmcn r]

Force 25/Nitrostar 25....

one of my most favourite engines around.

able to take major punishment, reliable, easy to tune and holds that tune, climate friendly, quite powerful/torquey and reasonably priced.

i wouldn't dare call it a race motor but its a fun motor for MTs for sure.
**edit** oh...and it responds really well to internal modding. it got publicised in a couple spots for that including in RCCA


CR....who decided to let down all the wire looms??? :p
good luck.

[CRSMP5]

i gutted it jmcn.. it was factory gas powered auto... me making turbo diesel 5 speed.. plan to run used veggi oil thru it.. the only thing i have not done with my current td converted one.. needs to be station wagon for the extra space/room for the used veggi oil tank..

the 25 is ok.. need to run it close to 300f though.. then it does come to life..

[Monsterbrad]

They run great till they wear out from having to run them so hot to get some power out of it.
I would say for a few bucks more pick up a Sport works 26 or a Mach and u will have a really good engine with some great power.
They will take alot of abuse too.
Just make sure you get a new one not one off ebay cause you may get one that had the brittle rod problem.

[badd_maxx.25]

hey everyone, ijust picked up the pro-r , and a sport works .26 engine for it well the motor does not line up with the engine mount. So i tried my other motors hpi ns.25, gs .21 and the back plate hit the mount on all of them are there eny other mounts that will work. thanks
also are the mounts that came with it for use only with non pull start motor

[Monsterbrad]

there are ways to get the mach in the truck.
I have installed one in mine but my Tool and Die experience helped alot.
If you want that engine in there let me know I can hook you up with some mods to the stock motor mounts to make it work.
ExExCr@aol.com

[jmcn r]

hhmmmm....had trouble the the Nitro Star .25 huh?
i wonder if the updated version in the X will be a troublesome fit...

on to something else for me though.
I am getting some pretty decent Futaba servos so I want to make sure I am pretty thorough with them before I used them and trash them too quick.

I was wondering what servo savers are you all using on your LSP. Probably going to get a Kimbrough as anyone would geuss, but should i stick with the basic Futaba saver or maybe one of the more specialised ones such as the "large gas car" model?

also, I am probably going to change the servo arm to something a bit beefier. for a Futaba S9351...what arm should i get?

heres the list of Kimbrough arms/savers for quick reference.

http://www.kimbrough-products.com/servosvr.htm


i'm leaning to the aluminum futaba arms, just wondering if they will be extra drag on the servo though....



thanks in advance