What esc with c40 6 turn

[willmac]

I'm lookin at a c40 motor, and I was wondering what is the cheapest brushless esc that will handle the motor?

Thanks for the help

[OptimaMan]

Depends on the turns, gearing, and load. A 6s will need a good controller - upwards of 100 amps. A 20 turn could probably get away with a Mamba 25!

[studysession]

I assume this will be in a toruing car?

First I have been running a C40-6T myself - I also have a 5T but not ran it yet. I have been running my 6T motor with 10 cells using the MTroniks Brushless Genesis Sport found at the bottom of this page. You do NOT need any 100amp controller for that motor. I have not used more than a 50 amp controller with mine yet.
http://www.mtroniks.net/mtroniks_SC_products.asp?CategoryID=1&SubCategoryID=6

[ElectricThunder]

How'd ya manage that one without makin the Genesis Sport go kablooey? :eek: (I assume VERY low gearing and the 10 cells) Sounds like that little genesis ESC is a trooper. Wonder how it'd fair in offroad stuff.

[willmac]

Hey studdysession, just makin sure you wouldn't want to sell that c40 6t to me if you decide you just need the 5t?

Thanks for the help guys

[studysession]

It is an ESC for touring cars not trucks. They are making another one for EMaxx and other off-road applications.

I am sponsored by MTroniks and I test all their new brushless stuff in my cars. And no it was NOT low gearing. It was extremely tall gearing if it really matters. And it did not thermal like my Schulze 18.61 did with same gearing.

And in my TC3 with 10 cells I have ran the C40-6T using the MTroniks Genisis Sport with very tall gearing.

[studysession]

Be honest because how fast the 6T is, I have not ran the 5T yet. I am going to keep both motors though. I need them to compare to the motors provided to me for testing to see how they compare.

I am trying to get a Feidao 6S at the moment. Wife says have to wait. I don't really need it, but want one for testing. I also have 2 Chili-Pepper motors coming. I have been running the Hacker C40-6T with my Chili-Pepper ESC last few days with 10 cells to see how it compares. Donnie at BMI mailed me two motors yesterday. Hoping they get here before or around new years. I am going to be comparing them to the brushless motors and running them on different ESC's and putting an article with full review in RCU Magazine.

SS

[ElectricThunder]

Wow, tough little guy then.. I'm anxious to see what Mtroniks comes out with in the way of trucks then!:D

[kufman]

First I have been running a C40-6T myself - I also have a 5T but not ran it yet. I have been running my 6T motor with 10 cells using the MTroniks Brushless Genesis Sport found at the bottom of this page. You do NOT need any 100amp controller for that motor. I have not used more than a 50 amp controller with mine yet.

I like the looks of the controller. One question. It says 6 - 10 cells or 2 to 4 lipoly's. The voltages of those two options dont match. 12v of nicads or 14.8 volts of lipoly. Any ideas??

[studysession]

Yeah - the LiPo's do not deliver as many AMPs as NiMH batteries is my guess. It is not a voltage problem it is how many AMPs it pulls.

Mine do not look as nice like on the website. Mine are the proto-types so they have exposed curciut boards. The one shown on the website is water proof. I have their Cirrus Competition ESC for brushed motors. I use it in my MiniT and drive it out in the rain. :)

[OptimaMan]

Well, at least for me, bashing around with a C406s with the 12.97 fwe was fine- never thermalled. Even on speed runs with super tall gearing. However, when I started to take it indoor carpet racing with foam tires, the constant partial throttle, stop and go, etc. did make it thermal after about 4 minutes of continuous HARD running.

[ElectricThunder]

Well, on/off throttle and just racing in general is different than speed runs with tall gearing, isn't it? I'd think racing is more demanding then just bashing.

[OptimaMan]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Having fun with it with intermittent rest is definitely easier on the controller than continuous hard racing. Same goes for batteries too. When I do a speed run on my emaxx and get 40+ mph, the motor and controller are barely warm. When I run it continuously for 5 minutes - even in first gear, everything gets pretty hot! (motor is like 200, batteries are like 160+, etc.)

[studysession]

Yeah - I think racing is very hard on any ESC.

I mostly bash and do speed runs. When bashing you stop and go giving the ESC more of a chance to cool down.

[chilledoutuk]

where in the uk can I buy a Genesis Sport?

[studysession]

Try: http://www.modelsport.co.uk/ if not then email MTroniks and ask them. I would also email MTroniks before buying it and ask them if I run XX motor with XX cells will it work with XX.... Get the idea????

I test things and know that it works - they might not recommend or even have a better idea for you. Make sense??

Another thing you have to remember - a lot of businesses here in the UK close down until after new years - I am not sure when they go off for holiday.

[willmac]

The hacker master comp. car esc will do fine won't it?

[e_lm_70]

That was about 10cell or 4Lipo spec from Mtroniks

Yeah - the LiPo's do not deliver as many AMPs as NiMH batteries is my guess. It is not a voltage problem it is how many AMPs it pulls.

Man,

Never heard something more wrong that this !

Either you are dummy (from your stated expetience you should not) or you think all the other are dummy , and you try to push your sponsor telling false stuff !

LiPo deliver as many amps as NiMh ... see Kokam 3200 up to 120Amp for a burst ... like GP 3300 does !

Second the limit on the max voltage it is no related to the Amp !
The limit on the voltage is normaly related to the BEC capacity ... with high voltage the BEC it is under stress ... independently by the Amp used for push the motor !

So stating 10Cell or 4Lipo ... it stink very badly ... 4Lipo = 16.8V fully charged ... a 10Cell NiMh could read at best 15V fully charged ... 12Cells are in a very very lucky situation 18Volt ... it sound strange that for 1.2V difference they don't suggest to use 12Cell, but still 4LiPo ....


e_lm_70

P.S: About the C40 6S ... this motor at 10Cell (already on the edge of the Hacker recomandation) ... could easily pump spike over 100amp with a standard gearing in a heavy TC with 10 SubC cells .... sound very strange that the Mtronik Genesis Sport rated 35Amp (with peak discharge rate of 50A and a short term peak of 80A ) can survive in a 10cell with 6S motor.

Probably if your sponsor was Schulze ... you would have stated that the 11.40 it already good enough for the C40 6S.

[studysession]

I have personally ran the C40-6S on the MTroniks controller in a TC3 with 10 cells. The controller still works.

Right now in my TC3 I am running a Chili-Pepper motor for testing.

[chilledoutuk]

studysession what do you make of those chilli pepper motors in comparison to the c40's?

[studysession]

If you compare to a Hacker C40 with a similar kv - then I do like the Chili-Peppers. I say that because the C40-6S that everyone is talking about here is a much higher kv.

I have the C40-6S and 5S hacker motors. I received to Chili-Pepper 5200kv motors couple weeks ago. I have still not ran my C40-5S motor.

I do really like the Chili-Pepper motors. I do need to call Donnie at BMI about a few things. But over all I think they are great. One of my neighbors saw me running my TC3 with a 25t pinion and a 68t spur and could not believe the speed. He has also seen some of my speed car projects, so he has seen fast RC's before.

The 2 50S motors that were sent to me, one has a 1/8 inch shaft and other has a 5mm shaft. I plan on running one in my EMaxx and see how it goes. A friend of mine has one in his EMaxx and he loves it. I have not seen his EMaxx run yet, only on the shelf when I am over at his place. But his gave me a lot of good feed back and tips for my EMaxx. With it being a 5200kv motor, will only need to run the EMaxx on 6 cells and it will be faster than the 2 stock motors. Can't wait till next month when I order my radar gun. :)

I can't wait to get some of the L series to compare and play with.

I do not like discuss details of my speed car - but I did put one of these motors in the car. The rear left tires popped - the preasure of the pop bent the rear axle in a 90 degree angle. I was looking around for parts of the tire and almost 15 - 20 seconds later, foam peices come falling down on my head. It had to go way up in the air for it to take that long to fall back down. It was very load and scared the poop out of me when it popped. :)

[danjoy25]

I have a U-Force 75 and a C40 6turn, I run it on my Xray T1 FK with great results.

[studysession]

Where did you get your UForce from? I was looking at the UForce for bashing but was to expensive. For bashing I have been using a Warrior 9918 because it was cheaper.

Here is a video of my Bandit running the C40-6S motor with the Warrior 9918. Very fast:
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/studysession/brushlessbandit-hackerc40-6t--001.wmv

[danjoy25]

Where did you get your UForce from? I was looking at the UForce for bashing but was to expensive. For bashing I have been using a Warrior 9918 because it was cheaper.

Here is a video of my Bandit running the C40-6S motor with the Warrior 9918. Very fast:
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/studysession/brushlessbandit-hackerc40-6t--001.wmv


I got mine 2nd hand but they sell in Model Flight in Australia for around the $270.00 mark. I also found the U-soft program is a must, specially when you are using the u-force/c40 6t combo for 5 minutes heat track racing.