well, I decided to rebuild her.

[scorpien boats]

I took everything out. Sanded the boat down and now it has its first coat of primer on it....

its going to be black with green eyes http://www.panteraboats.com/show_f2.php?i=35/35_Lake4.jpg&hdr=2004%20PANTERA%20F2%2035%20SURVIVOR

^
just like that. (without all the other decals)

the inside is going to be lime green. along with the hardware (bz) ;)

[scorpien boats]

I also epoxyed up all the holes.

[BurnZ]

Found a handy dremel attachment for drilling in very hard to reach spots. Such as under the deck drilling on the rails. The head is only 2". A little pricey though. The cheapest I've found is $20.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=000596186&I=LXUZ72&P=K

My Craftsman Mini-T won't get into the spots this dremel attachment will.
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00927996000

[rc10gtisthebest]

Looks good. Saw that boat at the NPBA races a year or two back, ran like a raped ape, came in third or fourth though.

Are you planning on color sanding it?

-Todd

[BurnZ]

What are you going to Clear coat it with?

[scorpien boats]

wow that is handy!!!!! i didn't know they sold something like that but thats just what im looking for!

this works ok too (somewhat...) http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXYA83&P=7

not sure if I want to drop $30 dollars yet tho :(

im not sure what im going to clear coat it with... whats a good choice?

[scorpien boats]

The reason for the pantera logo, my dad has owned two pantera boats and soon to be another one after we sell the scorpion.

(The race boat came in third, great ruff water boats) (one of the best I think)

i don't know what color sanding is lol Im new to painting terms and stuff but i want to do this myself... (i get more satisfaction.)

[BurnZ]

I was at my companies year end party and missed alot about Dimebag Darrel's killer. Did they ever find out why he did it? Dimebag RIP

[Chilly]

Real nice ride there, scorp...=)

[scorpien boats]

thanks,

I can't wait to get the new stuff in....

I probably will have to change the strut drive because it has a 3/16 shaft
so i might get the bonzi cz outdrive in lime green
The mount for my engine and enigine head will be lime green.
and the inside of the boat will be lime green,
also all of the water lines will be lime green.

I think this boat will look really cool!

im not sure what i want to do for exaust, I like the whobbies quad exaust, (i know it isn't as good (preformance wise) as a tuned pipe but It looks cool.) And thats what this boat will be about!

If I do have to get a new drive I will have to sell the homelite to fund i lol...

[scorpien boats]

will the whobbies quad exaust really take away alot of power?

[scorpien boats]

under the hatch..... ;)




How do you guys like it?

[Chilly]

Well, I would have gotten a tuned pipe, and just made 3 mock pipes... That way, you have the look of the quad, and the performance of a tuned pipe.

[ejp]

Thats an awsome idea. When I get my meanmachine that is going to have .21 in in I think I might have to do that. :D

[Chris LaPanse]

Another way to get a quad would be to put in a 28hp QD 4 cylinder 140cc motor and use 4 tuned pipes. That would be WAY overkill, though (I don't know if it would even float). I like the idea of the 3 dummy exhausts, though. If you do get the WH quad, it will probably give you 10-25% less power than their wet tuned pipe (which is the one you'd use, right), but it would still run well enough to be fun if you're not going to race.

[scorpien boats]

I don't care if it is a quad. I would rather have it just be two pipes, that way its more realistic.

chilly how do I make the pipes?
lol

[rc10gtisthebest]

If it were me, I would make a tip that would go onto the end of the pipe and have two large or 4 large tips coimng out of the transom. And keep the Pipe under the hatch.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

Thats what I want to do, but how?

[rc10gtisthebest]

Where on the engine is the exhaust outlet?

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

I don't know yet.... then engine is going to be here tuesday.... :D

Its a bonzi zenoah g260 pum (if that helps...)

[rc10gtisthebest]

Kinda. I'll figure something out and post it.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

Here is a pic with thefirst coat of paint!

its going pretty good so far but the transome is giving me trouble :mad:

[ejp]

Whats wrong with the transom. It looks great though.;)

[scorpien boats]

I filled up the holes with epoxy and it dosn't want to sand flush

[rc10gtisthebest]

You could always body putty the transom. It won't effect performance or anything too much. Just apply a thin layer and sand it smooth.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

where can I get it?

[ejp]

At our Walmart they have it.:D

[CFRACR]

Before you do the body putty. What type of primer do you have? If you have thick primer. I would gander that if you sanded the rough spot the best you can. Then started putting layers of primer on til covered, should work just fine. Wet sand & paint.

[rc10gtisthebest]

Yep, what CFRACR said is a very good idea to. Probably better then mine.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

Im using black dupli-color sandable primer...
thanks (thats kinda what i have been doing, its just taking a while)

hey rc10 i can pay u for those tabs now :)

[rc10gtisthebest]

Scorp, you got a PM.

[ejp]

Just take like some 80 grit. But it in a ball and just sand the spot with a sharp spot. It will be a little ruff at first but you could take a dab of body putty and fill the little scratches.

[scorpien boats]

here is the first coat on the bottom of the hull :)

I will post a pic of the transom in a little bit...

[scorpien boats]

.... as you can see i have only put primer on the transome

[ejp]

OUCH, thats going to take some sanding.

[scorpien boats]

yep i filled in the ledge where the deck meets the hull (where the old tuned pipe came through)

what grit sand paper do you guys think I should use? (wet or dry)

thanks

[ejp]

For what??? For sanding the primer I think I used 1000 grit and I wetted it. That keeps the paper from clogging up.;)

[CFRACR]

It all depends on the stage that your at to be able to say what grit paper.
I myself would use 200-400 on a palm sander to get the rough down. Then start the primer process sanding between coats with 600 grit wet sand paper. Then finer grit if you have it just before paint.

[rc10gtisthebest]

After each primer coat I sand with 500grit wet. Then once I put the last coat of primer on, I do 750 wet. Then I spray the paint. about 4-6 light coats will do for a boat. After Paint, (before clear) I sand it with 1000 wet and work up to 5000 grit ( increments of 1000). After that, I spray 5 coats of clear. After that, I sand with 5000 wet. And then buff out with a buffer and polish. (small buffer wheel on dremel and polish should work fine).

-Todd

[CFRACR]

After each primer coat I sand with 500grit wet. Then once I put the last coat of primer on, I do 750 wet. Then I spray the paint. about 4-6 light coats will do for a boat. After Paint, (before clear) I sand it with 1000 wet and work up to 5000 grit ( increments of 1000). After that, I spray 5 coats of clear. After that, I sand with 5000 wet. And then buff out with a buffer and polish. (small buffer wheel on dremel and polish should work fine).

-Todd

Geesh RC, got that down to a science with the #'s :D
Only thing, The small Dremel buffer will take a Year with a 47 in vee. :D

[Icman69]

I happen to have a Warehouse Hobbies quad exhaust used if you are interested. Also the sanding they were refering to to is when you give her the fiinal coat of color most people will wet sand the hull with 400 grit wet sandpaper and water it smooths out the color coat prior to finishing with clear. But since since it is a little late for that if you want her to shine do a final sanding of the clear coat starting at 600 grit Wet sandpaper ending with 1500 or 2000 grit. After it is sanded wipe it down with the proper cleaner IE Thinner to match your paint. Then use a good fine grit rubbing compound and a high speed buffer. She will shine like a diamond if done correctly.

[Icman69]

Oh buy the way you can fill the holes with JB weld which is what I have used its great because you can Drill and tap the stuff if needed. I think everyone has had to fill holes in a hull so everyone has a favorite goop to use.

[Doubledog]

Good thread Scorp. You're painting skills are much better than mine for sure.

[scorpien boats]

Geesh RC, got that down to a science with the #'s :D
Only thing, The small Dremel buffer will take a Year with a 47 in vee. :D
48 LOL

I did sand the primer with 800 befor I put on the paint, but im talking just about the transom..

what kind of clear coat should I use?

Ice man, sent you a pm


DD I don't know... lol U should have saw me struggling after i got a drip lol I was working on that one spot for hours!!!
But I finaly got it out


Thanks for all the help guys!!!

[scorpien boats]

DD you also have to remeber that im only painting one color!

[Doubledog]

Should've done that & stayed away from the metallics. :D

[rc10gtisthebest]

Scorp, try and stick with the same company for the clear coat that made the paint.

CF, That's the method I use on the full size cars I restore. (Muscle, Classic, Custom, etc.)

-Todd

[riche]

scorp what did you fill the hole with? I would sand it down with 80 on a block to get the bunps out. apply the filler, sand with 80 then 120. then start with primer and wetsand untill smooth. I hope I am not jumping in just trying to help

[Chilly]

I don't care if it is a quad. I would rather have it just be two pipes, that way its more realistic.

chilly how do I make the pipes?
lol


Sorry man, I didn´t get an email for my subscription of this thread, hence the not answering stuff..=/
Anyway, the way I would have done it, is to get your favourite tuned pipe, and have it stick out the transom or canopy if you want it there instead. Then, just make "mockups" of the part sticking out, as many as you like, and just mount them inside on a plate. I have a welding machine, so stuff like that is easie for me, I guess. If not having a welder, this could prove a little more tricky...

[scorpien boats]

The ups man just droped it off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scorpien boats]

zenoah g260 pum!!!!!

[scorpien boats]

also has the bonzi 4 point mount in lime green!

[rc10gtisthebest]

Nice.......

Scorp, PM'd ya!

[scorpien boats]

thanks for the tabs rc10!

[Doubledog]

YOU ROCK !

I sent the same color engine (new) out to have mods done a month ago. Wish it would warm up a little so I can finish breaking in the one in the Bandit.

[Chilly]

Dude, now I´m just plain envious of you...I want to have one of those too! Well, guess I´ll have to settle for my modded Huskie for a while longer....

[scorpien boats]

Well... It was basicly my only Christmas present...... And I have to pay for the rest of the boat.
Anyway.... here are a few pics of the engine in the boat with just the back mounts connected.... I have to drill new holes for the front...

[scorpien boats]

another

[Doubledog]

Do I hear "color matching". :)

[scorpien boats]

Yes you do!!!!

and if the flex cable that I have dosn't work, im going to get the bonzi cz outdrive in,...............you guessed it, lime green!

(if it does work i will get a lime green clutch!)

oh and by the way I just sold my outrigger to pay for it :( (((((

[Doubledog]

My mood determines what color cooling head is ran that day... LOL. Got four of them to choose from... Black (yuck), green, blue, & purple people eater. (joking, but I do own them)

[scorpien boats]

LOL!!!!



I think black is ok... (The reason I ordered from Bonzi is cause: I have heard alot of good things about them, Its cheaper than any other place I looked at, And you get to choose the hardware color... And to top it off They didn't charge me for shipping.)

[rc10gtisthebest]

You should see about possibly having your pipe anodized as well. That would loke really good.

Scorp, please let me know when you get your stuff..

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

OK,

speaking of pipe...... will the pipe I had on my homelight work on the zenoah??, its a nice pipe, and im shining it up right now! and the header looks like it will fit right on...

thanks

[CFRACR]

I imagine it will work, but! When I saw it at the lake I did not reconize what it was & for. I will tell you that the right pipe makes a difference. The fellow that runs zens @ the lake was moving the coupler in and out between runs(like 1/4 increments). He has a tach & there was a RPM change between the different lengths. So I would say that having the right pipe & the right length is important & can make a big difference in performance/speed.

[kevin28]

The bolt pattern for the manifold is different in a homlite than it is on a Zen.
maybe that is why yours is slotted? either way, the most important thing is to match the port opening to the header, and get the correct pipe/header length. i did some more looking, that may be an old hanson pipe you have?

Hard to tell from the pics, is that a challenger 43" or 48" i love style of them. I'm just finishing a 43" and running a quickdraw pipe.

[scorpien boats]

its a 48"

thanks guys, do you know how long the pipe should be? does it matter how long the header is?
I could post a better pic of the pipe to find out what it is... will that help?

[CFRACR]

its a 48"

thanks guys, do you know how long the pipe should be? does it matter how long the header is?
I could post a better pic of the pipe to find out what it is... will that help?


I hate to say this but it is not that easy. Pipe performace can be set up for low to upper range performance. ( " to get on the pipe " ) This has to do with the length. Cutting down the header if possible is usually the easiest way. Making sure that you have space between the pipe & header so that they don't touch.
Really the only way to gauge your changes is with a tach. That way you know whether your increasing or decreasing your Rpm's with your changes. Another would be a onboard gps to see if you get increased top end. Or of course a radar gun, using multiple runs to get your #'s.

[scorpien boats]

well... I think im going to try this pipe...

who knows mabey it will work well...

This is a dumb question but, how do you connect the header to thepipe?

[BoatDoc]

they are usually connected with a silicone tube.

[Baja-Destroyer]

lol i love color matching anthony if u dont have a place to get the pipe andonized ill check the valpo metal finishing shop and make sure they andonized if they do u can send it to me and i can get it andonized in green

[CFRACR]

well... I think im going to try this pipe...

who knows mabey it will work well...

This is a dumb question but, how do you connect the header to thepipe?


They have mainfold stack tubing. Your LHS should carry it. Get a piece with the right diameter that you can put the pipe & mainfold in. Cut the right length that will fit allowing about 1/2 space between the pipe manifold.

You don't want them to touch or rub inside the tubing or you will experience servo glitching. After they are spaced out and placed, tighten with pull ties on each end.

[scorpien boats]

ok... The reason I asked is because i can't figure out how this header is connected to the pipe... its ridged but i don't know how they are attached...

[CFRACR]

Man o man, yeah I remember. Not sure how it comes apart for sure. It may come apart with one of those ring tools. (brain fart :o ) can't think of what their actually called at the moment.

[scorpien boats]

another question lol

is their a header that could wrap around in the way that I drew (in red)

[CFRACR]

another question lol

is their a header that could wrap around in the way that I drew (in red)


To answer that, you can make anything you want!! BUT, bends in a header inhibit the flow, thus changing lots of things. A bend like that may be to much, and could end up overheating the engine & destroying it over time.
The question that you ask would be better suited to be answered by someone that knows those engines. IE: The people @ Bonzi

[scorpien boats]

Ok thanks, now on a different subject...

two questions, is the engine in the right spot and will the flex cable I have work?

(I will post a pic of the flex cable...)

[scorpien boats]

here it is... it sounds dumb but i dont know if it is 1/4 or 3/16 because its like a little bigger than the 3/16 but a little smaller than 1/4

[scorpien boats]

If I get a clutch, the flex cable would have to be smaller right?

This is really confusing me

[Doubledog]

Your flex is quarter inch & will work with the clutch. You have the right size & don't use anything less.

[rc10gtisthebest]

Also, is the engine setup for Square or round drive? Square drives are actually larger (around) then a comparible round drive.

-Todd

[Doubledog]

If he's running a Bonzi' clutch, then it'll be square.


Wait one.... I've got a new one in my parts bin & can tell you for sure. :o

[scorpien boats]

OK thanks! finally some good news.... lol

so when I order the clutch i order a square collet right??

i don't really know what a collet is lol

thanks again

[rc10gtisthebest]

A collet is a chuck that attaches your flexshaft to a clutch or crank.

No, you will not need one. The Bonzi clutch includes one. (as the Bonzi site says..)

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

GRRRRRRR.......

my primer spray can ran out on me when I was fixing an old ca glue spot on the hull, and it dribbled out of the can and made a ton of bubbbles :( :( :(

ahhhh that is frustrating....

[rc10gtisthebest]

Have fun sanding.

LOL. I couldn't resist. Sorry

-Todd

[Chilly]

Man, that´s just mean...=)

[kevin28]

Header # three is like your drawing>
http://bhhanson.com/hbprod6.htm

And yes, the cable will have to be shortened if you add a clutch. (the clutch will take up a couple extra inches) DO NOT cut until you get the clutch and can measure also...cut from the round end, not the square end.
-good luck

[scorpien boats]

The cable is already attached to the drive... how do i cut it ?
Thanks for the link Kevin

Oh and rc10 i got the tabs, thanks alot!!

[rc10gtisthebest]

Do you know if the furrele is soldered or is it held in by set screw?

If it is held in by set screw just losen them, trim it down, and reset them back tight.

If it is soldered, there is two options. 1) you'll have to replace it, or 2) Try and heat it up with a torch or something equivalent, and try and heat it up until you can pull them apart. And then cut it, and re-solder it back together.

#2 is kind of a risk to try. But if it works out, then it would save you some $$$.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

Well #2 might work because i have an 80watt sautering iron :)

[scorpien boats]

lol i love color matching anthony if u dont have a place to get the pipe andonized ill check the valpo metal finishing shop and make sure they andonized if they do u can send it to me and i can get it andonized in green

My moms brothers good friend owns a metal shop in naples... LoL

i don't know if he does enodizing tho...

[rc10gtisthebest]

When you go to spray with can, let them sit in a bowl of Hot water for about 20mins before you paint. It helps the paint look better and adher better when it shoots on the product being painted.

[scorpien boats]

to late now lol

[Chilly]

When you go to spray with can, let them sit in a bowl of Hot water for about 20mins before you paint. It helps the paint look better and adher better when it shoots on the product being painted.


Dude, that´s a really good tip! Thanks for that, I´ll be sure to use that when I´m using spraycans the next time...

[kevin28]

No set screws on the cable end.
Heat it with a propane torch, pull it out.
Cut it, clean it very good, then clean it again...then when you think its all clean, clean it again. These cables are filled with grease. Soak it overnight in brake cleaner or muratic (sp) acid solution.(be careful)
use a good solder with silver.
While its out. measure and make 1 or two extra. Of all things that break at the pond...its the cable/ferral. If you have extra, 15 minutes and you are back on the water.

[Doubledog]

You did say you're going with a new drive ? If so, then why not order at least two cables. The picture of the strut w/ferrel is not the best in that pic.

[scorpien boats]

no im not, im keeping the old one and getting a clutch... (it was one or the other..)

[scorpien boats]

I put on the tabs (thanks again rc10), the rudder and the strut dive is just on their for show.... (im gonna take it off when the new stuff arives)

here r some pics :)

[scorpien boats]

:cool: :D :D

[scorpien boats]

.....

[rc10gtisthebest]

Looks Really good.`

[Chilly]

It sure does!

[scorpien boats]

The new stuff from bonzi is going to be delivered tuesday :)

[Chilly]

Well...I don´t care what you say scorp..."Bonzi" just makes me envious anyway... =) I´ll just have to make my own stuff look even better then, wont I?

[CFRACR]

Looks good !! :D

Where are the green eyes???

Also did you figure out the canopy lock down situation? I gave you some ideas that day when I had my hands on that boat.

[scorpien boats]

Well...I don´t care what you say scorp..."Bonzi" just makes me envious anyway... =) I´ll just have to make my own stuff look even better then, wont I?


yeah well.... "Bonzi" also says "$money$"

belive me If I could make my own surface drive out of a bock of aluminum....

I would have alot more money lol

[scorpien boats]

Looks good !! :D

Where are the green eyes???

Also did you figure out the canopy lock down situation? I gave you some ideas that day when I had my hands on that boat.


The eyes are the next step

And I have not thought about the canopy lock...

[Chilly]

yeah well.... "Bonzi" also says "$money$"

belive me If I could make my own surface drive out of a bock of aluminum....

I would have alot more money lol

He, and I wouldn´t if I had the money to buy myself a new one...=) Not really true, but a lot of the stuff on my boat would have been bought if I had the funds. But it IS more fun this way, no doubt.

[CFRACR]

Yeah, you sometimes have to pay through the nose on some things that you need. Because they would be to difficult to make yourself or require specific tools or machines that would cost more to buy than the part itself. But, one of the reasons I like boats is that there is a lot that you can make yourself & save $$ if you know how. Unlike cars/trucks where you can spend way more on hop-ups & parts than the thing itself.

[Chilly]

I couldn´t agree more...=)

[scorpien boats]

cars r dumb.

[rc10gtisthebest]

Why are cars dumb? I have a $400 Truck and $1000 of hopups on it. Or are we talking about the $200 car I had $1700 in parts on LOL.. (seriously, I did/do have those).

Cars are seriously over done. Honestly, the reason companies can make so much for a small little part is because of the people who are new to the hobby and want to "fit" in. Some parts are justifyable, but things like Aluminum Rims, Aluminum Body Mounts, Aluminum Susp. Arms, stuff like that not nessecary.

Also, alot of the money is spent on durability, cars are beat to hell day in and day out, aftermarket parts are required to keep the car in working order. But I find it annoying when a sheet of 12x10" Carbon Fiber Costs $30 and then a small shock tower (2x3") costs like $40!

That's a reason why I like Boats better, cause your imagination is really the limit. And I love hands on things, sculpting and such. Then you get a lot more satisfaction out of a boat because of the hard work you put into it (especially home built boats, like Chilly's). Unlike a car that all you have to do is screw in and screw out.

I also find the maturity and level of intelligence for boaters a hell of a lot higher then for car people. Not to be raggin' on them or anything.

Sorry for the essay, I guess I am in a bad mood today for some reason... :confused:

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

Why are cars dumb?


-Todd

U just explained it lol

[rc10gtisthebest]

***Sarcasim*** ;)

[Doubledog]

Black Beauty.

She's hot man.!

[CFRACR]

Cars & Trucks are for people that can't build! :D

It takes all of nothing to steer a car/truck, but actually takes some skill to drive a boat. Even more to fly planes/heli's.

Since the ones with boats have skill & know how to use their skill to build, fix, & make their own parts. The r/c companies have to make their money somewhere, that being off the ones that can't do what us boaters can!! :p

Shhh, don't tell them................... :D

[rc10gtisthebest]

Yep, couldn't agree more. Except one thing, racing those cars/trucks. It is very hard to get the setup right and actually pull out a win. But "sport" driving couldn't be any easier...

[Chilly]

Well, that´s not entirely true, is it? I for one think that you can spend at LEAST as much on a boat, buying all premade stuff. And driving a car can be at least as hard/challenging as driving a boat. I was made aware of that today, when my pal came over with his newly bought (used) USA 1 monster truck. Man, that thing was hard to control! I COULD NOT get that thing to go in a straight line! But one thing is for sure, the cars dont like water one bit, and that is what boats can do way better..=) Besides being more fun... ;)

[scorpien boats]

cars dont make a rooster tail

[Chilly]

lol!

[CFRACR]

[QUOTE=Chilly] I COULD NOT get that thing to go in a straight line! /QUOTE]


Maybe his truck had too much to drink & was drunk!! :D

[Chilly]

Maybe...=) My bet would be a crappy driver, tho...

[scorpien boats]

here is a pic of my boat with the eyes :D

[scorpien boats]

oooopps thats my dog lol
o well he can stay....

[scorpien boats]

this one is grainy for some reason...

[CFRACR]

Good job!!! :)


Looks kinda scary :eek:

What about the cockpit windows? I think it needs some other color or something to break up the black.

[scorpien boats]

lol hope you dont have a bad dream lol

[97TRAKIN]

Even more to fly planes/heli's.:D

I remember my COX EZ-bee R/C plane. It went striaght up with the nose pionted to the sky like a helicopter and then it came straight down at full throttle like a dive bomber. Only problem was it didn't pull up :D. That's when I was like ok time to try somting else. That's when I found R/C boats I think I was like 7. It's now almost 20yrs later and I still am into boats just a different power plant GAS.

[scorpien boats]

can't wait till tomorow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

the clutch, waterpump, water pick up, radiobox, and some other stuff is comming!!!!!!!!!!!

[ejp]

What state do you live in? I live in SW colorado and most of the passes are closed. Looks like it more waiting on my Mean Machine and the hardware.:(

[scorpien boats]

GRRRRRRRRRRRR...

We were going to move to colorado..... (I love it their...) but my mom dosn't like the cold..............

we live in FL

[CFRACR]

SW Florida,

Got to love it!!!!! :)
The weather has been in the high 70's & sunny for the past week or so. Went to the lake this past Sunday & it could not have been more perfect. Shorts & tee's with a slight ripple on the water for running. The weather was so nice that more people (spectators) showed up @ the lake side & pit area than in years. We had some crowd for awile with camera's and vid recorders taking a gander of us ripping up the lake @ up to 85mph with some boats. :D

PS: I even brought my small gas grill out to the lake and Q'ed up some bugers for us club fellows. The spec's were getting the hunger pains smelling up on some of my culinistic skills. :D

[scorpien boats]

sounds like alot of fun, ill be there some day soon....... :)

[scorpien boats]

nothing is attached yet... but the clutch is on... i think im gonna move the engine closer to the bow...

[Baja-Destroyer]

lol gotta love the green :D

[scorpien boats]

yep :)

i just installed the engine (with all the mounts)

I tried to get the end peice off the flex cable, no luck... :(

[rc10gtisthebest]

That actually looks pretty good where the engine is at.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

Lol i didn't move it anyway, i was gonna but then i got lazy and decided i only wanted to make 2 new holes in the stringers than 4....

[scorpien boats]

well.... it looks like it gonna rain today (again...)

so, im gonna hopefully get alot done on my boat, i will hopefully have some pics on here later today!

[rc10gtisthebest]

Yea crappy day today here to. The damn cold front is going (or has) stalled out and basically all of florida is gunna be getting wet.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

well here it goes...

i installed the two water outlets and the water pickup

[scorpien boats]

Do you like it?

[ejp]

Where did you get the green water outlets?? Very nice setup.

[Doubledog]

Green water outlets? BONZI' :D

[scorpien boats]

Doubledogs got it! www.bonzisports.com

you can get anything in there colors green pink purple black silver blue,orange and i think a few more...

[kevin28]

Probably doesn't make much difference,since your not running the rudder off them...But i think your strut brackets are on upside down. (they normally bend upwards).
Actually, looking at it closer i think that is a Hydro strut with aeromarine long/strudder brackets.
I just picked up a new Aeromarine strut and rudder this morning. My strut blade is almost 4" tall.
It should work fine for you, just make sure you have enough travel for adjustments.
Looking good man.

[Doubledog]

If you're looking at pic on post #89-4th page, who's to say that its upside down? (we know you're not complaining, just pointing it out a little more). In this case, he could've ran it either way which he did. If you want to look closer, you'll see the strut blade/shaft stub combo is not exactly correct...... who am I to say. It works & works effectively it seems. Don't think a racer would use it, but then again, I'm not running the same engine as Dale Jr in my car. :D

[kevin28]

I was looking at post 134 and 143.
I don't car what any one does. Just pointing out. Switching from a 25cc homelite to a 260 will give a greater prop choice, if the strut is adjustable enough.
The pic on 143, it looks like the strut is down as far as it can go.
If the brackets are flipped so they bend upwards, he could lower the brackets slightly without the ends dipping in the water when he pulls the trigger.

[97TRAKIN]

yep :)
I tried to get the end peice off the flex cable, no luck... :(

If you are running a clamping collet why not just use a welded cable. No more soldering :rolleyes:. Just an idea for ya. ;) If you are running a square collet disregard :D .

[scorpien boats]

ok... diff subject...

how does the water pump work? i assume it gets power from the engine but how? where do I connect it? i have not the slightest clue.............

thanks

[rc10gtisthebest]

nor do I. I don't even run one...

[kevin28]

You have to tap the crankcase.
Thats right...drill a nice ol' hole in the side of your new engine.
Its best to take the engine apart to avoid getting the metal chips in your bearings
you could also tap the jug.
Keep the hose as short as possible, the longer the hose the more case volume is added.

[ejp]

Wait, and this does what for the pump???

[97TRAKIN]

You could also tap the carb insolator block (intake manifold). If you make a mistake it's cheaper to replace that than the engine block. You just tap into the little hole that supplies the pulses for the carburetor's fuel pump.

If you look at the pic below, the intake manifold on the right is tapped. Mine is tapped in this location by WHH. The pic is just to give an idea.
http://www.easycart.net/whobbies/images/ENG150.jpg

[97TRAKIN]

Wait, and this does what for the pump???

The pump runs off of the crank case pulses just like the carburetors fuel pump

[Doubledog]

Really cool watching it sitting there idling with the clutch & water pumping out the pisser hole.

[scorpien boats]

.......wow........that does not sound cool........

so is there any advantage to drilling into the crank case than the carb insolator????

[scorpien boats]

You have to tap the crankcase.
Thats right...drill a nice ol' hole in the side of your new engine.
Its best to take the engine apart to avoid getting the metal chips in your bearings
you could also tap the jug.
Keep the hose as short as possible, the longer the hose the more case volume is added.
whats the jug???????

[kevin28]

jug = cylinder

[kevin28]

Not mine, but a good picture.
Shows where you can tap the cylinder.

I have never used the carb block, so i can not comment on how it works. i have heard it can affect carb tuning, crack/warp the isolator- but cannot say for sure.
I also would like to hear from others that have tried it. (on a zen)

[Doubledog]

I've drilled two using that same hole. Use a small peice of brass tube around the drill bit (as to not scar the threads) & "WHA' La". I believe the water port brass nipples have the same threads as thats what I used. PRIMA !

[Doubledog]

btw, thats got to be a European built hull. Looks like the clutch is MHZ, the collet is brass etc... typical around these parts. :O

[97TRAKIN]

Not mine, but a good picture.
Shows where you can tap the cylinder.

I have never used the carb block, so i can not comment on how it works. i have heard it can affect carb tuning, crack/warp the isolator- but cannot say for sure.
I also would like to hear from others that have tried it. (on a zen)

Mine is on a Zen and I have No problems with carb tunning or leaky isolator. By the way if you have a WHH RTR boat with a water cooled Zen or have purchased one of there water cooled Zenoahs chances are your engine is tapped in the same place (isolator). I can't comment on the air cooled R/C engine.
DoubleDog where was yours tapped on the R/C 23 in your Gator?

[97TRAKIN]

btw, thats got to be a European built hull. Looks like the clutch is MHZ, the collet is brass etc... typical around these parts. :O

Germany, it's in that nice looking cracker box that's on Jim's boat dock.

http://www.andrenalin.de/pictures/cracker/cb-nobi-05.jpg
http://www.andrenalin.de/pictures/cracker/cb-nobi-06.jpg
http://www.andrenalin.de/pictures/cracker/cb-nobi-10.jpg

[scorpien boats]

so where should i do it? also where to i get the nipple or whatever you want to call it

[97TRAKIN]

so where should i do it? also where to i get the nipple or whatever you want to call it

To be honest with you I will have to say follow kevin28 and DoubleDog's advise. Reason, tapping the isolator requires threads to be added. The hole in post #161 is already threaded and should make for a simple install.
Also some people dip the tip of the drill bit in heavy grease to catch the metal bits while drilling out that hole. Just drill a little clean add more grease, drill a little more clean, you get it ;) .

Your LHS should have the nipples you need to finish the install.

[Doubledog]

DoubleDog where was yours tapped on the R/C 23 in your Gator?


The rc230 didn't come tapped as its not needed. (you boys know the engine is aircooled).

I did it only to run the Cooper pipe due to it having the watercooled header/clutch. No clutch, wouldn't even worry about tapping.

[97TRAKIN]

The rc230 didn't come tapped as its not needed. (you boys know the engine is aircooled).

I did it only to run the Cooper pipe due to it having the watercooled header/clutch. No clutch, wouldn't even worry about tapping.

I thought the water cooled mainfold (canister adapter) required a pump? :confused: My bad.

"Canister Adapter
If you race Canister class you will love our new **water-cooled** manifold adapter that works with our popular canister muffler. can also be used as an adapter plate for your custom exhaust header."
http://www.easycart.net/whobbies/images/EZ200.jpg
WHH

[Doubledog]

When I bought mine from Enforcer, it came with a manifold between the canister. Its already tapped, just needs nipples. Don't ask me why, but thats the way it came.

Later on, I decided to try the water injected pipe they sell. You know it came with the water cooled header also, but is shaped round for the elbow pipe peice. Got pics of it everything from being stoked about having a new gasser.

[scorpien boats]

Did i get luck?

it looks like this hole is in the exact same place as the pic... it even has threds in the hole but i dont know if it goes though

[rc10gtisthebest]

No, the hole is not the whole way through. You'll have to drill that out. But take some of the tips above, (put some bearing grease on the bit and put some brass tubing over the drill bit so that it will not screw up the threads.)

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

ok,so i can use that hole right???

thanks for the brass idea !

[97TRAKIN]

ok,so i can use that hole right???

thanks for the brass idea !

Yes you can just be carefull. You just want to drill into the port. When you feel the drill bit break through the first wall pull it out.

[ejp]

Are you drilling into the intake passage???

[97TRAKIN]

Are you drilling into the intake passage???

I think he is drilling into the tranfer port.

[scorpien boats]

This will be my saturdaymorning diy

Destroy
It
Yourself!

lol

[Doubledog]

I'd take the engine apart so you can see how deep you're going & for cleaning the shavings.

Here's one I did a while back. This is the same hole you're talking about using. Works fine for the pump.

[Doubledog]

another.

The hardest part is being careful taking apart & putting together. Those rings are a pain in the neck. This was a brand new engine. When putting back together, I damaged the ring & didn't know it. After pulling my arm out & talking to several guys it got sent out to a buddy. They pulled their arms out & finally figured it was low on compression... thefore a ring. Put a new one on & good to go.


Hope it helps.


.

[scorpien boats]

my dad took the flexdrive/strut to his friend at work who has all kinds of machiens and stuff...

he got the flex cable out!!

now i just have to cut it and put it back together.

[scorpien boats]

I did it


i trimmed the cable and got it back together!

no i only have to do one more thing that involves drilling/cutting into metal
(setting up the water pump) :(

[ejp]

Sweet, sweet. Well, I hope the engine goes good. How did you cut the shaft??

[scorpien boats]

with a dremel. :)

[scorpien boats]

omg this is stupid
i cant explain how mad i am right now
I dont thinkm i have been this mad for a year
its beyond words.

i have been trying to get the head back on for an hour now and i am about to blow up
rings are stupid i hate them

what can i do?L???.a>L:FKjas
ggggggggggggasrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrr

[rc10gtisthebest]

First off, calm down, you don't wanna be spending more $$$ on a new ring.

Second off, go slow.

-Todd

[scorpien boats]

i just tried again and everytime it dosn't work it shaves alittle off the piston

this is !@#$%^& unbeliveable

[scorpien boats]

.......................wow.......................

[ejp]

Whats wow mean????? I know just how you feel. We rebuilt 2 motorcyles and a banshee. It really sucks trying to get the rings in. The banshee had 3 rings per side.

[97TRAKIN]

Sorry to hear your having trouble. That's why I suggested the grease the bit meathod you would not have to be putting it back together right now. I suggest you go to Jim's boat dock and ask for suggestions.

I use a zip tie as a spring compresor on my engines works like a charm every time. Kinda hard to explain though.

[scorpien boats]

I stayed up and got it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Doubledog]

From Post # 179....



The hardest part is being careful taking apart & putting together. Those rings are a pain in the neck.
.


I understand how you felt old boy.

[scorpien boats]

o well, this was not a good weekend.

i did get the ring onbut. this moring we drove to every auto part store and hobby shop to try and find the pressure nipple thing.

none of the had it (or they were closed)

so when i got home i look through my pile of junk and found one

[scorpien boats]

the drive is all set up.

and nothing leakes... the water comes through the drive shaft tho... (where it connects to the engine

also, how do i know which part of the water pump to connect the 3hoses to?
which goes where?

thanks

[ejp]

Very nice. Sorry to hear about you troubles but you had one!!!

[97TRAKIN]

the drive is all set up.

and nothing leakes... the water comes through the drive shaft tho... (where it connects to the engine

also, how do i know which part of the water pump to connect the 3hoses to?
which goes where?

thanks

On the pump right next to each nipple it should have a 'P' for pressure, 'I' for in, and a 'O' for out. Hope that helps.

[scorpien boats]

why r the nipples on the pump differn't from the ones on the engine?
how do i make this work?
(the pump ones r bigger)

[scorpien boats]

any ideas???????????

im lost.............................................. .........

[Chilly]

I guess that´s just the way they make em... By the way, a fuelpump for a Yamaha snowmobile looks exactly the same, besides bing made from aluminium. Just a thought...At least the pump on my old Yamaha ET 340 from 1982 has that pump. Works the exact same way too, so if you can get a hold of those cheaper, go for it. Just a little sidetrack.

[kevin28]

My plastic pump had much larger openings also, I just tapped the brass nipples into the large plastic ones build into the pump.
Don't know if this would work for you, without seeing a picture of your pump.

[scorpien boats]

hmm
i will give it a try thanks for the ideas....

How does bonzi do it??
maby someone with a rtr bonzi boat could tell me????/

thanks

[97TRAKIN]

hmm
i will give it a try thanks for the ideas....

How does bonzi do it??
maby someone with a rtr bonzi boat could tell me????/

thanks

Get some large silicone fuel line. Then mix up some soap and water to lube the nipples up and get to pushing. It'll go on there. Thats what I did. I run the same pump Bonzi and most in the industry run.

[Watercadet]

Then mix up some soap and water to lube the nipples up and get to pushing.

:eek:

[scorpien boats]

hahahahhahahahha lmao

[scorpien boats]

but anyway... so ur saying to just use regular fuel tubing//??/

do they make it wider??

thanks

[97TRAKIN]

[QUOTE=97TRAKIN]Then mix up some soap and water to lube the nipples up and get to pushing. QUOTE]

:o You know what I mean. :D

[97TRAKIN]

but anyway... so ur saying to just use regular fuel tubing//??/

do they make it wider??

thanks

Use large silicone lines or even better extra large if you can find it. Do not use the large yellow gas line it will fail eventialy if connected to the fittings on the engine cooling jacket. The one spot you may have to use the large yellow gas line is to make the connection from the engine pulse tap that you drilled, to the ('P') pulse nipple on the water pump. Gas gets in there eventialy and silicone line will fail if used at this connection.

[97TRAKIN]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/328000-328999/328312_106_full.jpg

Here is a inside shot of my boat. You can see that I used large silicone lines for all water connections. The only place I used large yellow gas line is to make the pulse connection which is tapped to my carb intake manifold.
(And of course to make carb connections.)

[97TRAKIN]

Here is the outside :D .
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/328000-328999/328312_127_full.jpg

[scorpien boats]

nice....
do u think my hobby shop will have the large silicone tubing?? or do i have to order it off the internet. if so what website??

[97TRAKIN]

nice....
do u think my hobby shop will have the large silicone tubing??

If they carry a lot of airplane stuff (which I'm sure they do ;) ) they will have large silicone fuel line. Just remember to lube the nipples real good before you start pushing or else you may tear the hose or bend/crack the nipple.

[scorpien boats]

if i could read that it might help.......

[Doubledog]

If you're wanting water tubing try Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, Builders Square, any home care center or better yet............ TRY one that specializes in Aquariums. Thats where we buy all of our water line at. Many different colors & cheaper than any hobby store ever dreamed of.

[scorpien boats]

thanks alot guys...!

[Burkey1000]

bonzi just use the water line pipe the black stuff, its a tight fit on the pump just use a little spit, and there ya go, as to drilling the case, i have always used the carb spacer and never had probs with it, just if you use the spacer, you tap it right from the bottom, i have never had probs with mixture i think its due to people putting the nipple in to far, there is a tiny hole just above and it must be free, otherwise you have have all sorts of probs with the carb, and that is the way bonzi do it to. :)

[scorpien boats]

Well i took a little break on my search until today.

A new hobby shop opened today so when we drove by i spotted it and we went in. They had everything i needed!
i got the xl tubing and just tried to get it on and it works fine!!.....

[ejp]

Wow. To bad a new hobby shop doesn't open here. My best place to get things is online. The nearest hobby shop to me is 5 hrs away.

[scorpien boats]

What town do u live in? u live in CO right??

[ejp]

I live in Durango, CO. It is in SW colorado. The nearst hobbyshop is in New Mexico.

[rc10gtisthebest]

Transporting goods over state lines? :eek: :rolleyes: :p

[ejp]

Well, no :o :o :o I got my fuel in Denver, CO which is about six hours away. I really need a hobby shop. :( :( :(

[scorpien boats]

have you ever skied silverton? or telluride?

[ejp]

Nope, Just purg.

[Baja-Destroyer]

Ant-was going to send u a pm urs are full :( im on my dads office compt ours is still out give me a call

[scorpien boats]

just a little update...

i didn't realize how much trouble this exhaust system would give me.... i still havn't even set up the radio box..... i still have a long way to go and i have absolutly no time to do it,

so it will be a while befor it's done

[Doubledog]

Sounds about like me & the Fighter. Got everything to complete it, just not in the mood. (staying off the puter would help)

[scorpien boats]

well i decided to work on it last night....

i made a little mount for the water pump, then i tried to get the radio box in but realized that it wont fit unless i put it in befor the water pump........grrrr lol

so i had to redue everything which is very annoying.

i also don't like how far the exhaust pipe sticks out of the transom but i guess i can live with that...

i just want to get this thing on the water!

[Doubledog]

water pump fighting with the radio box? Toss it in front of the engine or beside it. easy fix.

[scorpien boats]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its almost done!!!! i have the engine in the fuel tank in, radio box in rudder servo all set up (160oz of tourqe), the nylon cable that the flex cable goes in (for the throttal) all i need is the cable for the throttal, more water tubing and a little more black paint.

[scorpien boats]

the only thing i don't like is how the exhaust pipe comes over the top....

it won't fit under the hatch with the radio box. :(

but i can live with that...

[kevin28]

You are going to have to be very careful with that setup, if that is a wet pipe.

When you stop the boat, the water in that pipe will run downhill, right into the engine.

water and bearings don't get along.

[scorpien boats]

the water dosn't go into the pipe... it circles around that little section and then goes back out the other outlet...

[kevin28]

I gotcha.

I had a bad experience with a wet pipe when I first got in to the hobby.

Looking good, have you fired it up yet?

[scorpien boats]

Thanks

nope... i will maby when i get home from school tonight

[scorpien boats]

well i am tryingn to start it...
no luck so far... i followed the directions in the book and gave it about 20 pulls
any ideas?

[Doubledog]

Directions? Humm. Open throttle to 1/4 - 1/2, stick a finger in the carb, pull two or three times (finger should be wet). Should pop during choke. Remove finger, 1/4 throttle & should run. Be careful pulling too much & no gas in the cylinder as I messed up a ring & almost never found the problem.

[scorpien boats]

it dosn't seem to be poping...
is there any wiresi have to connect to anything/?

[scorpien boats]

do you mean my finger should have gas on it after i pull the starter (when its in the carb?)? if so it dosn't

[scorpien boats]

I got her started!!!!!!!!
the exhaust was pretty smokey tho, is that normal?

[scorpien boats]

ok... now i cant get it started again... :confused:

[scorpien boats]

well i don't know whats going on
my hands have blisters on them from pulling....

[Doubledog]

Your finger is the choke. Don't use the choke lever. Most of the time they start right back up once they fire, but keep in mind, these engines are easy to flood & you've got to be careful. It took a while & still gives me some trouble after dealing with the RC230. That baby's a dream to start.

You'll get the hang of it.

[scorpien boats]

yeah i think it might be flooded
how do i un-flood it?

i want to start it and put it in my pool to see how good that pump works ;)

[ejp]

You could try taking the plug out and open the throttle all the way. Unhook the fuel line and pull for a while or you could just take the plug out and open the throttle and let it air out. I know with the weedwhacker at home when it floods I just hold it full throttle and pull till it starts. I don't think you would want to do that with your boat as there will be no drag.

Hey, that made me think of something. They say you can over rev. if you have no drag. A weed eater has no drag when you aren't cutting. Is it bad to rev. out the old weed eater??

[scorpien boats]

lol probably not...

i am getting closer now, its popping
i just hope its not gonna take me 5 hours to start it on a regular basis.....

[scorpien boats]

well i STILL cant get her started!

what reallllllllllllllly makes me mad is that fact that i started it be4!
?????????????
i am clue less
the closest i got was a little turn over ...

[scorpien boats]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes i got it started again!!! i droped it in the pool and the pump works! nice to see the water comming out the outlet on its own after 5 hours of pulling!

well this boat is ready to run now or as traxxas says ready to race lol

anyway thanks for all the help you guys gave me from the beggining of this thread!
i would post some pics but my dad took the digital camera :( and went some where...

[ejp]

good deal. So when are you going to run it???? I want some pix:D

[scorpien boats]

maby tomorow...

and i will probably bring it to sarasota with cfracer
next sunday

I would want to go tomorow but i dought my dad will want to drive that far since he will be getting home at like 12 tonight

[scorpien boats]

I finaly got to run it
i ran good for a lap and a half right when my dad was going to take a pic
then the sauter on the flex drive slipped (where the end of the flex shaft connects to the back of the drive.)
so at first i thought I lost my prop.

but anyway
what do i do? will that sauter be able to handle this power?
i was pretty amazed at how fast this thing was just at half throttal ;)