PRP XR8 1/8th on-road forum

[evilGearhead]

this is the forum for the new prp xr8 on-raod 1/8th car

http://usera.imagecave.com/anrkii/xr87.jpg

[evilGearhead]

how about it? anyone on here have one yet? impressions?

[Darthswan]

how about it? anyone on here have one yet? impressions?

I'm in the process of putting it together. I've talked with others and they like the car. My wife is amazed at how i put everything together so far.

So far thumbs up

[Silent Night]

This is the same one that comes in rtr right?

[evilGearhead]

pretty much, the kit has more high-end parts on it, but with the price it has, the rtr is a good buy, too.

i have two kits headed my way right now...

[Silent Night]

Yeah i'm thinking about buy one.. It looks really nice...

[tgivler]

I just purchased one of these cars and it is by far worth every penny. The car goes together fairly well if you know what you are doing. The support from PRP is above and beyond any I have delt with... They are very happy to help and give set-up advice. I am running a Mega ZX-21 Race engine and the new DSM Spektrum system with my M8 radio.

[Mika]

Hey Evil, you seem to have changed to 1/8 onroad from Super Size (SuperTen) - just as as I have, too! :D

This PRP looks like a fine car!

Here's a pic of my Proceed; it's seems like a nice car, too, haven't got the chance to try it out yet. These are sold pretty cheap these days as HPI has given up producing these anymore. This baby has a Venom onboard speed meter as well as Samurai 521 engine by Team Infinity (a budget engine). I still miss the pipe and body (GT-One or Lola VDS).

http://www.snrt.net/proceed2.jpg

[KENCHOCO2]

Nice Proceed....choco

[Mika]

Thanks. My buddy is planning toget this PRP so let's see how they compare on track.

[evilGearhead]

i am in the middle of building up two of these cars, the instructions are pretty poor, but if you are experienced at building its no problem, i really like some of the design features, alot of engineering went into its making. i have been told that you really need to upgrade to the red clutch shoe for racing, and i will definitely replace the rear sway bar with the upgraded version.

i am going to run the serpent mega zx21, i had a novamega evo5 on my veteq, and the power was incredible, the new mega motors are supposed to be even better! plus they are only $250

every part for the car is readily availible at acehardwarehobbies.com, and dirt cheap, too.

[Darthswan]

I have finished the car. Now I'm working on my engine selection. Nice car. Can't wait to see how it runs. I'm leaning along the lines of the Sirios .21 is one of the best ones. I haven't broke the financial news to the wife yet. I order and take the heat later.

[jinx]

hey all, does anyone have the rtr version yet? if so, how is it?...thank you..

[Silent Night]

I don't think its out yet. I've been looking around and only find the kit.

[TMaxxBenny25]

Clean car MIKA!

[tgivler]

I finished this car and installed the ZX21 Mega engine, this thing screams! Here is a hint.. on the rear shock tower you need to drill two more holes for the shocks to mount..... go 10mm straight up from the mounting holes, you will need to dremel out some material to make sure the shock will not bind and that it can move freely. This is a factory mod and PRP told me they are having new shock towers made with these holes in them.

[Darthswan]

I haven't put the engine in yet, but we'll see. Looks nice. Very sturdy.

We'll see..

Kevin

[Darthswan]

Any tips on tightening the turning radius? Sorry about that

[leoboy254]

in RCCA Jan' 05 issue, in the section where they are talking the new the stuff for 05(pg63+), they talk about the xr8 rtr(pg64) and it says it comes with a airtronics MX-3
when i get $400 i'll be sure to get the xr8 rtr

[tgivler]

in RCCA Jan' 05 issue, in the section where they are talking the new the stuff for 05(pg63+), they talk about the xr8 rtr(pg64) and it says it comes with a airtronics MX-3
when i get $400 i'll be sure to get the xr8 rtr

Just remeber that the RTR is not a race ready model....

[tgivler]

Any tips on tightening the turning radius? Sorry about that

Did you dremel out a little bit of the steering mech. so it will not rub on the belts? I had to do that to mine and I also bought a set up jig to make sure everything was square and true to the factory driver set-ups that are available on the PRP web site.

[leoboy254]

Just remeber that the RTR is not a race ready model....
i dont mind, going 60-80mph in a rtr is good enough for me. just think of all the people you can pis* off
lol

[Silent Night]

whats prp's website? i've been looking for it for quite some time now..

[tgivler]

whats prp's website? i've been looking for it for quite some time now..

Go to www.happytimehobby.com that is their website :D

[tgivler]

i dont mind, going 60-80mph in a rtr is good enough for me. just think of all the people you can pis* off
lol

Yes... :D That will certainly P*#% someone off...and really freak out the neighborhood dogs....he he he :cool:

[rwviper2]

I have a traxxas nitro 4-tec, and i bought an ofna hyper .21 8 port to put in it. I have no clue however as to what transmission to get for it. I want to get either a 2spd or a 3spd for it. I also want the ratio fit for high speed. I was thinking maybe putting the 2spd from the xr8 on it? does anyone know if this will work with the hyper .21 8 port or have any suggestions as to what transmission will work?. My goals are to get the car to reach at least 80mph. thanks for your help

[KENCHOCO2]

Does Anyone Have An Pic Of There Rtr Or Kit Version Car?i Would Luv To See Some Pics...choco

[tgivler]

I have a kit that I would like to sell ( need to sell really bad ) it was put together by myself and the local track champion. It is the rolling chassis, PRP tuned pipe and header, a PMB setup system ( like the HUDY ) and a PRP aluminum droop gauge and blocks. I will sell for $400.00 and I will pay for the freight in the US only. If you are interested PM me.
I also have a Protoform body ( not painted...well only the driver is painted ).
:)

[KENCHOCO2]

i would need to see a pic of it....can you post one?

[tgivler]

i would need to see a pic of it....can you post one?
I will get some pics of it today and post this weekend.

[kris lim]

hi
are the xr8 bodys 300mm wheel base, i like the look of this one (blue and white)at the top right, i wonder if it comes with the roof scoop or not?

http://www.happytimehobby.com/

[KENCHOCO2]

no pics yet? choco

[mayron]

hey all, does anyone have the rtr version yet? if so, how is it?...thank you..
just got the rtr today planning on breaking the engine in tonight. as nice as the kit but just has a few different parts

[performula]

just got the rtr today planning on breaking the engine in tonight. as nice as the kit but just has a few different parts

What radio did it come with?

[Darthswan]

What servos are you all running?

[RX7RX7]

Guys,

what do you think of my Team Magic onroad car?

http://img79.echo.cx/img79/8520/picture0846gy.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[kris lim]

looks sweet, is it second hand, has it only one front shock

[RX7RX7]

Bought it brand new. It has 2 shocks...most 1/8 cars have the fronts horizontally....i'll try to add a better pic :)

[RX7RX7]

http://img173.echo.cx/img173/6895/picture0830kn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

and another....

http://img173.echo.cx/img173/1425/picture0862td.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[kris lim]

wicked, i take it its 1/8th, what do you pay for one of those in $US

[aGeS]

where did you get your Proceed from and how much was it?

[RX7RX7]

My car cost me around $550 US....RTR....i just had to add my radio gear :)

[HobieHernandez]

That team Magic is the old GS Sonic,I use to have one and I sold it when they discontinued it,then a few month later I kicked myself when the team magic showed up..Look on ebay for gs sonic,you maybe able to pick one up cheap for spare parts,I liked that car better then my proceed,I am now back and a proud owner of a xr80 and loving it,,Check out this vid of the xr80 running,,do not play direct,you will only hear sound,save to your pc then play,,(save as target)


http://www.******.net/view_single.php?medid=59524

[RX7RX7]

Thanks for the info. I suspected it was a Sonic as I spied a GS ad’ from RC Car Action circa 2000. It’s a really fun car to drive…handles well and is easy to get bits for from my lhs…..i wanted a car with acceleration and speed and this car certainly met these expectations. P.s. that video doesn’t work for me. :cool:

[HobieHernandez]

If you try to watch it direct you will just get sound,you need to right click on the little videotape and save as target

[HobieHernandez]

oops and left click the link 1st to go into the page

[RX7RX7]

the page does not work

[HobieHernandez]

http://www.******.net/view_single.php?medid=59524

[HobieHernandez]

try this one



http://www.******.net/media.php?searchstr=user:3284&trick=Any&type=Any&time=1119570303&search=search&limit=10

[HobieHernandez]

http://www.******.net/member/Hobie

[HobieHernandez]

none of them work,,maybe I was blocked or the site is done,try www.******.net type in hobie or xr/80 in search

[HobieHernandez]

I think Radio control zone is blocking me,It works everywhere else
I will space it out go to www ****** net type in hobie or xr/80 in search

[HobieHernandez]

****** you got the rest on last post, dam blocked again here it goes I will spell it backwards ten.scipcr

[RX7RX7]

Thanks for trying so hard. I got onto the site, did a right click on the vid icon but i can only get sound. :confused:

Can you post up some pics of your car...please! :D

:cool:

[HobieHernandez]

you must save it on to your pc,do not click directly to it,If you heard sound you are almost there,do a right clik and save as target,then open from your pc,you must download into your pc 1st

[RX7RX7]

I did download it but only get sound...it says i need some type of codec :mad:

[Rb1]

how about it? anyone on here have one yet? impressions?
Hi There

I realy want to find out what all of you people think about the new XR8

I want to buy myself one and want to find out how the car is .
Will it stay in the market and are there any hopups so far.

I also heard that the fuel tank is smaller than the normal 125 ml. If that is true will there be a bigger tank for it? As we all know this is critical in an race for fuel stops

[TeamCarnage]

I pitted for a racer who won his main(C). Car was very impressive. PRP seems committed to making this work, and also staying in business!.
Can't really answer you about the tank capacity. He pitted at roughly 5-5.5 mins. I kept him out one time due to pit road being crowded and he prolly pushed almost 6. He was about dry tho!! Engine,tuning,driving style,etc effect run times, ayk.

[Darthswan]

My starter box is not turning the flyweel. Any thoughts on that?

[HobieHernandez]

If you purchased the rtr a starter box won't work,looks like they mounted the motor high so that you can fit the hand held roto start in...If you use the hand held you must hook up cables backward onto battery..you may need lower motor mounts for box..

[Darthswan]

Run it on new asphalt today, they just paved the streets. This thing halls azz. It brought the neighbors out of the house. Only problem, major problem, first gear went off somewhere and i don't know where it is. So now I have to trackdown another one. Great car, can't wait to get it on the track.

Kevin

[evilGearhead]

hey guys, both my xr8s are on ebay right now, with all the extras.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5989555143

both cars less than a gallon run!

[Darthswan]

BRONZE ROLLCENTER BUSHINGS???

Who has installed them? They look like the could slid out due to all of the vibration. Any have this problem, and if so how do you keep them in place?

Thanks Kevin

[Y2KGTP]

I was thinking of getting a XR80 RTR.....good\bad car? I'm not worried about the radio system, as I drop a spektrum system in all my cars anyways.....

[RS4rally1124]

i am thinking bout getting one to run with the local guys ina nascar style oval endurance... ive only heard good things.... thats it im getting onefor christmas

JT

[TC3]

I got an xr80 RTR for christmas...I notice one thing the some people are calling it a xr8 or xr80 is there any difference between the two?


I'm use to running nitro TC3's and was wondering how this compared to them I know the scale is different....

[TC3]

Does anyone sell the xr80 body unpainted?

[electro21]

The XR8 is the pro kit, XR80 is the RTR. i'm thinking of getting one too, how do you like?

[Darthswan]

I'm loving mine, since we have no snow in chicago, I might fire it up later today. Finished installing the new radio. (3PK) Now I have to get it out and fine tune it. Especially the ABS. Very nice car. Don't have anything else to compare it to. Bout time to order some more wheels.

[firstchoicecp]

hey people

hows it

im seriously thinking of getting an xr/80 rtr
cheap car with fm radio

the people here who have a rtr , whats your thoughts
im still tossing between a fusion21 and xr80rtr , any inputs people please

[hooppjs]

hey people

hows it

im seriously thinking of getting an xr/80 rtr
cheap car with fm radio

the people here who have a rtr , whats your thoughts
im still tossing between a fusion21 and xr80rtr , any inputs people please

Hello,
Here is a vid for you of the RTR. Goes hard, came with FM radio, no probs so far - 2 litres 20% :)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=529059

Sorry if I offend the mod's if I link to another r/c site.

[brc358]

I have the XR8 with the OS version 2 engine in it. Changed the spur gears to 44/49, Mugen springs in front,7 ring conical header, 9886 pipe,Airtronics servos, drilled the rear shock tower to lower the shock postion, and a few other odds and end here and there. This car is right there with the Mugen MRX4 R. I just order the new Novarossi 35+21 modified engine for it, so it should really scream then.The new Kyosho fuel tank drops right in with about 3 min. worth of Dremel work. Other wise, perfect fit.
I also have the new Evolva 2005 W/C, and although the XR8 is dialed in right now, its not quite on the same level as my Evolva. For the price, these cars are great! Only probelm I ever had was keeping the clutch in it. I changed over to a Mugen clutch, and so far, so good. Also, for a little more down force in the front, try the Serpent body, or the new Kyosho body, and then mount the body as far forwar as you can.It made a HUGE difference. I then trued the rear tires to 76,<35 shore> and front trued to 68,<35 shore>.

[GRUNDIG415]

is the VXR -8 the same as the xr-8?

[brc358]

I myself am not familiar with the VXR-8
Anyone else that can help?

[GRUNDIG415]

the VRX-8 is from Protech..it looks just like the xr-8....same design and everything...any help?

[GRUNDIG415]

any word?has anyone heard of the VRX-8?

[max_chen]

The XR-8 and VRX-8 all are made in Taiwan,now original support company was into bankruptcy for a long time,maybe this car will be change new distributor or sell it by manufactory direct shortly.
Because I'm one of the designer,my name is Max,any problems or questions,if necessary I can help all of guys in Taiwan.

[GRUNDIG415]

i am having a hard time getting parts for the vrx-8

[brc358]

Pihttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/brc358/Picture363.jpgcs of my PRP XR-8. OS version 2, 21,9886 pipe,7 ring conical header

[brc358]

Pihttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/brc358/Picture363.jpgcs of my PRP XR-8. OS version 2, 21,9886 pipe,7 ring conical header

These cars are very under rated.
When set-up properly, I would compare this to the MRX-4
I also have the new Evolva 2005, but the PRP X-8 drives completly different the the Evolva

[GRUNDIG415]

nice car....

[Darthswan]

Ran it the other day. It handles great, just blew the clutch bell. Damn, I'm making a couple of adjustments. I'll let you all know.

[brc358]

The stock clutch bells on the XR-8 are aluminum, and they are trash.
Get the optional clutch bell. It is an upgrade, and you will not have any problems.
While you are at it, change out your flywheel, flyweights,clutch disc,pretty much everything to Mugen, and your clutch problems will be over

[Darthswan]

I'm in the process of doing that. The car, i believed is finally dialed in. Once it is set, I'm going to have an officer clock me.

[brc358]

Darthswan
Do you race your car,or just bash with it ?

[Darthswan]

I want to get it to that point. I'm working with this car. So far I like what I see. I've done a couple of upgrades, put the OS Ver II eng, 9451 servo upfront and 3305(i think) in the throttle.

Yes ultimately I want to race.

[brc358]

I have the XR-8 and the new Evolva 2005, and as much as I like my XR-8 its not quite the same as the Evolva.
But if you really want to dial your car in, go to the Power Racing web site, and you can get the set-ups used in the Fort Myers race.
I used it, and then modified it a little for the track I run on.
I ran it again today, finally got all the push out of it, and now I am working on getting more steering. Today it was a combination of working on the set-up, and the changing track due to the heat.
But the car is Almost there.Just a few very minor tweaks.

[Darthswan]

We don't have any tracks close to me, so ome of the guys go to a parking lot and set up.

What type of modifications did you do for your car?

[brc358]

I have the OS version 2, 21 engine, 7 ring conical header 9886 pipe,Mugen flywheel, Mugen flyweights,everything pretty much Mugen,disc,clutch,hard spring,thrust bearing. Mugen short white front springs with 50 weight oil, and Mugen red springs with 70 weight oil in the rear.
Airtronics 737 servo for throttle, and 94358 for steering.
Lowered the rear shock location about 1mm, changed the ackerman to the "A" ackerman, ride height is low, about 4 in the front, and about 5 to 5 1/2 in the rear. Delta front pulley 45/49 spur gear,17/21pinion gears.
Pressure chamber on the exhaust line.Almost forgot the hardened clutch bell.
Plus I have enough extra new parts to probably make two more cars without ever going to a shop, or going on-line to order anything.
I just came accross a great deal on some tires last week, and now have about 60 sets of tires from 35 shore, to 45 shore, front and rear.
I have found the Serpent body really helps take out the off-power push.
I just ordered the new Kyosho "Dome" body last week, and it is being custom painted. I should have it by tomorrow.
I think that is about it, but if I think of anything else that might help you, I will let you know

[brc358]

I have the OS version 2, 21 engine, 7 ring conical header 9886 pipe,Mugen flywheel, Mugen flyweights,everything pretty much Mugen,disc,clutch,hard spring,thrust bearing. Mugen short white front springs with 50 weight oil, and Mugen red springs with 70 weight oil in the rear.
Airtronics 737 servo for throttle, and 94358 for steering.
Lowered the rear shock location about 1mm, changed the ackerman to the "A" ackerman, ride height is low, about 4 in the front, and about 5 to 5 1/2 in the rear. Delta front pulley 45/49 spur gear,17/21pinion gears.
Pressure chamber on the exhaust line.Almost forgot the hardened clutch bell.
Plus I have enough extra new parts to probably make two more cars without ever going to a shop, or going on-line to order anything.
I just came accross a great deal on some tires last week, and now have about 60 sets of tires from 35 shore, to 45 shore, front and rear.
I have found the Serpent body really helps take out the off-power push.
I just ordered the new Kyosho "Dome" body last week, and it is being custom painted. I should have it by tomorrow.
I think that is about it, but if I think of anything else that might help you, I will let you know
One last thing, I also added the new Kyosho fuel tank. It will fit with about 3 min. worth of Dremmel time. It is quite a bit larger that the PRP. If you add this, be sure and take the spacers out, and lower the tank as much as you can. You dont have to do this, but it helps lower the center of gravity

[devious17]

my year ol' XR8, it scares the MRX's on many occasions :D

[brc358]

devious,
Nice looking car!
Can you tell us some things about it.
You know its kind of sad. People really under rate these cars so much, that is until they see one on the track and they give the Serpents and MRX4Rs a run for their money.

[devious17]

brc358, pretty stock except a few things on it,

It has the machined nylon F/R lower arms, serpent clutch bell, 7075 rear bulk to mid support stiffener, hop-up F/R antirolls, double layered rear shock tower, UJ on all four

Nova Plus 21-3 engine running stock clutch shoe on serpent bell, no thrust bearing, running at 118'C , 0.8mm clutch gap.

[brc358]

That is a nice looking car.
Once you get them dialed in, they handle great.
I had a problem with an off-power push, but the Mugen front springs, and then the Serpent body took care of the push.
I also have a new Evolva 2005, but the XR-8, and the Evolva drive completly different

[Darthswan]

Just out of curiosity,

How do they drive differently?

[brc358]

As much as I love my XR-8, and get such a kick out of surprising the MRX4R, and the Serpents, my Kyosho just seems to drive much more smoothly.
It goes where you expect it to go<not that the XR-8 does not> but the whole operation of the Evolva seems so smooth.
From the operation of the steering,clutch,two speed, it is just a different car.
But like tonight, I went to the track again.
I probably spent 3/4 of my time driving the XR-8, and 1/4 of the time driving the Evolva.
I just like the XR-8, and it is a blast to drive.

[brc358]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/brc358/Picture382-1.jpg











The XR-8 is at the top right, the Evolva is at the top left

[Darthswan]

As much as I love my XR-8, and get such a kick out of surprising the MRX4R, and the Serpents, my Kyosho just seems to drive much more smoothly.
It goes where you expect it to go<not that the XR-8 does not> but the whole operation of the Evolva seems so smooth.
From the operation of the steering,clutch,two speed, it is just a different car.
But like tonight, I went to the track again.
I probably spent 3/4 of my time driving the XR-8, and 1/4 of the time driving the Evolva.
I just like the XR-8, and it is a blast to drive.


I'm going to have to look out for someone who has the others. I've studied them all and I see small differences in the different cars. I also wonder how that translate to the performance of the car. Thanks for the description.

K

[brc358]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/brc358/Picture397.jpg





Picked-up a new body from the painter yesterday, and not very happy with it.
Guess this one will be a practice body.
The new Kyosho "Dome" body is supposed to have more down force.
Will try it tomorrow and see how it works

[brc358]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/brc358/Picture398.jpg






"Practice" body

[devious17]

NIce! I wish I had a paint brush. Shells are expensive over where I am so my practise shell is my racing shell as well =P

[brc358]

devious 17
Where are you located at?
The bodies over here are not too bad.
The Protoform body is approx. $30.00<give or take a little>, the new Kyosho dome body as this one is runs around $35.00.
But then you have to count the paint job<he only charged me $30.00> because it did not come out too good, then the "Gurney" flap<rear wing> of $10.00, and then the inner body supports<Kyosho> $23.00. so this "practice body wound up close to $100.00.
I did try it today, and it does have a lot more down force than the Protoform body, and it handled very well.
So as far as the body, this style works great.
He is painting me 2 more of the dome style bodies, and hopefully these will turn out better.

[devious17]

I am located in Asia, Malaysia to be specific, a protoform shell would set me back about RM90 (RM3.67 to 1 USD) but our income per capita is much smaller =P

Doesnt the protoform shell come together with the gurney flap and support? They do for us though. Tamiya rattle can spray another RM22 per can.

I had a run on my XR8 yesterday and it was all great untill I planted the car into the barrier due to worn tyres. I over shot a turn at quiet a speed ,dab the brake a little and the next thing I know "bang". The car didnt want to turn into a corner due to the worn tyres and the rear went into the barrier first and broke both rear UJ's.

This would be my 3rd pair of UJ's the first two pair broke also due to overly worn tyres and the torque from the engine took them out but this time it's the barrier.

Can anyone tell me if I can substitute the rear dogbone of the XR8 to the dogbone and cup of the MRX4? I find the XR8 UJ's arent that strong.

None of the MRX4 drivers has ever changed their dogbones.

Can someone tell me where canI get XR8 parts online? Acehobbies dont carry UJ in their inventory.

[brc358]

devious17
The Protoform bodies do come with a Gurney flap, but I use the Kyosho style, as it is adjustable. The newer Protoform bodies are now starting to include the inner body supports. The body the I am using at the moment for practice is the Kyosho dome body, and they do not include body supports or the Gurney flaps.
Sorry to hear about your problems with you not being able to locate parts.
I order parts through a couple of different places, and only just recently started to order from Ace Hardware.
A couple of times, when I was have a problem ordering a specific part, I actually called PRP and spoke to customer support.
They were able to help me out.
I am not sure if they would be able to ship to your location, but it might be worth a shot. Maybe you sould call, or e-mail PRP and let them know of your problem.They have been very helpful with me

good luck

[devious17]

Thanks brc358, appreciate it.

[Darthswan]

What is size of the inner bigger bearing in the Centax clutch?

[brc358]

Darthswan
I posted the phone number for you for PRP on another post, because the owners manual does not call out the size of the bearing. But just in case here it is again 408 988-1188.

good luck

[Darthswan]

Darthswan
I posted the phone number for you for PRP on another post, because the owners manual does not call out the size of the bearing. But just in case here it is again 408 988-1188.

good luck
I got it, thanks.

Not to many Hobby shops, in my area, sell them. Had to go online to get them.

[jinxjx]

hi all, does anyone have the xr80 rtr version? how is it for parkinglot bashing? i have a friend who has a schumacher gtr 1/8th scale car. i wonder how this xr80 compares to the gtr? i already have the schumacher menace truck.....thanks... :cool:

[Saboteur]

I would definately get the PRP over the Schumacher as it's a better handling, well built and true 8th onroad. It'd be more adjustable, faster, stronger, and even capable of running in some beginner 8th onroad class.

[brc358]

I have the XR8 with a Rex 321P race engine that handles fantastic.
I also have the new 2005 Evolva with a C5 Roddy engine, and even though the Evolva is a fantastic car, I find myself driving the XR8 more than my Evolva.
I use the XR8 for trips to the track during the week, and practice, and use the Evolva for the races.
When the XR8 is dialed in right, it is a great car.

[devious17]

XR8 dont have rear RC adjustment, how do you guys deal with altering it's rear roll center? ........ or you dont.

[slw4red]

Hey guys is the xr80 RTR worth getting? or should i go with the team magic one,
or is the evolva worth the extra coin,
i just want a brutally fast parking lot basher,
my kyosho inferno GT just isn't cutting the grass for me.....

also how long do the belts last?? all my other nitros are shaft driven...

[devious17]

the belts on the XR8 seems to last me forever, well for as long since I bought my XR8 none has snapped but I run on strictly tracks. Belts are that good with car parks for the pebbles that will get between the belt and pulleys.

[slw4red]

the belts on the XR8 seems to last me forever, well for as long since I bought my XR8 none has snapped but I run on strictly tracks. Belts are that good with car parks for the pebbles that will get between the belt and pulleys.

Well thats good to know, cheers
ive seen a few bad belt drive cars in the past.....

[Saboteur]

Cars of today have stronger belts that last a lot stronger and last longer. As long as you're on a prepped surface you wouldn't strip any belts on the 8ths...however the fronts seem to go after they get worn out. That's why mugen and kyosho have the eccentric hubs for the front bulkhead that allows you to add tension to the belt by using the various positions. A nifty part indeed to get more life out of that belt, but it requires buying the new front bulkhead to use them.

[treymcgovern]

Does anyone else have a problem with the starter stripping out?

[Saboteur]

Never really heard anyone or from the friends of mine who do own them have that issue. Do you know if the engine was hydrolocked when it happened?

[brc358]

Hi Trey.
I answered your e- mail concerning your problem.
If you are still having a problem please let me know.

[treymcgovern]

where can i purchase the motor mounts and a new shaft to go on the handheld starter?

[brc358]

Are you using the hand held starter, or a starter box. I thought on your e-mail to me, you said you were using a starter box.
Either way, contact Southland Hobbies in Lakewood Ca.
Their web site should be southlandhobbies.com
Francis can hook you up with what ever you may need.
If you are using the hand held starter, the stock motor mounts will work.
If you are going to use a starter box, you will need to change motor mounts.
The mounts for a starter box are shorter in height, so the flywheel will contact the starter wheel of the box.

[psiturbo]

[QUOTE=brc358I then trued the rear tires to 76,<35 shore> and front trued to 68,<35 shore>.[/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about?
Doesnt you just glue them to the rim and thats it?

[Saboteur]

Tire truing is basically resurfacing the tire for traction, obviously making the surface even for a new prac/qual/race event, and to achieve proper roll out ratio as some like to do for handling and or a starting point. You can run box stock if you want, but I only do so on a practice session. Usually its best to have a different set of tires: one for practice and qual, and another for the mains.

[psiturbo]

My bad if I keep asking, so how do I resurface the tire for traction?

[Saboteur]

First off, get yourself a tire truer - you have lots to choose from. If you have the dough, the Hudy is by far the best to get as you can shave off upto 3mm or more of foam. Slow and steady however lives upto its name here as you should do so for the best cuts. If anyone cuts off a hunk they are either impatient or in a hurry for the next heat. I bought this one from Integy for $190. It comes with a carrying case that you can also store tools in the hood with it and is worth every penny. You will need to purchase an arbor though for whatever vehicle and I have one for my sedan and 8th.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/VTECHSaboteur/DSCN3323.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/VTECHSaboteur/DSCN3324.jpg

Mount the tire using the appropriate arbor and hook up your truer to the 12v batt.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/VTECHSaboteur/DSCN3325.jpg
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Before you start cutting use a caliper to measure the diameter of the tire as you need a starting number and finish number...finishing number would be the # you want it to be at. I also set the truer so the wheel spins counter clockwise and the blade cuts into the foam. Since the Integy doesn't have a collection try I use a towel, flat piece of cardboard or a sheet of lexan.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/VTECHSaboteur/DSCN3334.jpg

Be sure not to inhale this stuff and it will leave marks on light colored fabrics so carefully toss it in the trash that you are going to toss out. Don't chuck anything in the trash with the debris or you will have it flying all over the place. :p

To go in depth with this here is an article about how to true your foams.

http://www.rc411.com/pages/howto.php?howto=25&page=2

[psiturbo]

I never thought On Road Racing was so hardcore. Wow, thats amazing dude...

Thank you very much for the pics and once again for all the great information.

[Saboteur]

Yeah I think there is more to onroad than offroad and you can go as hardcore as you want. Sometimes just doing the basics can only make a driver so fast. Going a bit further you unlock some speed and handling secrets. ;)

[SerpentCT4S]

Where can I buy parts online? I am looking for carbon fiber parts. Any websites you guys recommend?

[brc358]

Serpent CT4S,
Let me know what you are looking for as I have a HUGE amount of XR-8 and XR-80 parts in stock.
I bought the complete inventory of one of the shops when they went out of business, so I have a pretty good selection of parts.
Spur gear,shocks,pullies,fuel tanks,pinions,carbon fiber parts, just to name a few


thanks

[SerpentCT4S]

I am looking for carbon fiber parts and also a receiver box. Let me know what you got and what prices. Also, if you have item #'s for them and pics, that would be great!

[brc358]

Serpent CT4S
Please tell me what what parts you are looking for as I have so many parts in stock.
I dont have pics, because it would be impsossible to take pics for everyone, and then post pics for all the parts I have. I have literally hundreds of parts.
Everything is N.I.P.
I read an earlier post where I believe you have the XR-80.
A lot of people I sell parts to change their cars over to the XR-8
Do you have the XR-80 or the XR-8 ?
I you would like, send me a P/M with your e-mail address, and we can communicate through e-mail.

thanks

[SerpentCT4S]

I have the RTR XR80. I am looking for carbon fiber radio tray, CF shock towers and CF battery tray. Also looking for the receiver box. Sent ya a PM....

[SerpentCT4S]

Hey, ran 4 tanks today on my XR80. Quick question....should the gas tank wobble like it does? Do you recommend putting another O-ring on each tank mount? Also, what a good pipe for this motor?

[brc358]

Serpent CT4S
The tanks do move around a little. I use the Kyosho Evolva tank in my XR8, but before I changed tanks, I did double up on the "O" rings for the tank.
The pipe you use depends on which engine you are using.
I believe the XR80 uses the rubber coupling from the header to the pipe.
If you change the header over, and not use this type of coupling, then then 9886 pipe is a very good pipe.The selection of pipes that use the rubber coupling is not as good, so you may not find too many performance pipes with that set-up.

[SerpentCT4S]

I am using the stock engine. Are the 1/8 scale THS pipes any good for it? Also, what a good air filter I can put on this car? An 1/8 scale Motor Savers?

[SerpentCT4S]

Any help with a pipe??

Heres some pics of my XR80:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/RobF353/XR-80/P1010085.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/RobF353/XR-80/P1010088.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/RobF353/XR-80/P1010090.jpg

I think a carbon fiber pipe will look nice as well. Does Vantage make a 1/8 on road pipe? How do they perform?

If not a Vantage pipe, what pipe is good for the stock motor?

[Supraman93]

Any help with a pipe??

Heres some pics of my XR80:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/RobF353/XR-80/P1010085.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/RobF353/XR-80/P1010088.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/RobF353/XR-80/P1010090.jpg

I think a carbon fiber pipe will look nice as well. Does Vantage make a 1/8 on road pipe? How do they perform?

If not a Vantage pipe, what pipe is good for the stock motor?

Nice XR80. What brand receiver were you able to fit in the receiver box? Here are some pictures of mine.

[brc358]

Supraman 93.
Car looks nice. Is is fairly new?
Reason I am asking is one of the 1/8 scale cars I run is also the XR-8.
I was looking at the size of your tires.
Have you trued them down yet?


thanks brc

[brc358]

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Here is a shot of my XR-8
I run either this Rex 321P tuned race engine, or a Kangaroo engine with a 9886 pipe,Mugen clutch,clutch bell,Mugen springs, and a host of Mugen,Serpent, and Kyosho parts.
If you look at the side picture of the chassis, you can see a carbon fiber brace that I made to stop chassis flex. It took about 10 min, and REALLy stops any flex.
Pardon the mess, I actually race the car every weekend, and have not had time to clean yet. Big race here in So. Ca. in two weeks, and I will be tearing the car completly down, and rebuild it before the race.

[brc358]

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Here is a shot of my XR-8
I run either this Rex 321P tuned race engine, or a Kangaroo engine with a 9886 pipe,Mugen clutch,clutch bell,Mugen springs, and a host of Mugen,Serpent, and Kyosho parts.
If you look at the side picture of the chassis, you can see a carbon fiber brace that I made to stop chassis flex. It took about 10 min, and REALLy stops any flex.
Pardon the mess, I actually race the car every weekend, and have not had time to clean yet. Big race here in So. Ca. in two weeks, and I will be tearing the car completly down, and rebuild it before the race.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/brc358/Picture425.jpg

[Supraman93]

Supraman 93.
Car looks nice. Is is fairly new?
Reason I am asking is one of the 1/8 scale cars I run is also the XR-8.
I was looking at the size of your tires.
Have you trued them down yet?


thanks brc
No the car is not new. I bought the XR80 used off Ebay for $170.00 several months ago and have been rebuilding it to my taste and is basically a XR8 now. The original chassis was bent pretty bad. I have not trued the new tires. Here is a photo of the original bent chassis.

[SerpentCT4S]

I fit the stock receiver in the box. It was a tight fit but I got it in. I used squeeze clamps to push it down so I can fit the lid. I then attached one screw and clamped again to get the other screw. The box isn't completely closed, but its nice and tight.

Nice car by the way. I have to get the carbon fiber shock towers and battery tray also.

A few questions:

1. What pipe should I run on the stock motor?
2. What chassis can I upgrade to?
3. What other motors can fit in this car?
4. Where do you guys get your parts? What website?

Thanks a lot guys!

[Saboteur]

I fit the stock receiver in the box. It was a tight fit but I got it in. I used squeeze clamps to push it down so I can fit the lid. I then attached one screw and clamped again to get the other screw. The box isn't completely closed, but its nice and tight.

Nice car by the way. I have to get the carbon fiber shock towers and battery tray also.

A few questions:

1. What pipe should I run on the stock motor?
2. What chassis can I upgrade to?
3. What other motors can fit in this car?
4. Where do you guys get your parts? What website?

Thanks a lot guys!

1) Any aftermarket pipe will be better than the stock one. The Vantage is an excellent pipe to use as its durable and works with almost any motor. However, they don't make any for 8th onroad. Best bet is to try a Novarossi pipe or RB.

2) The XR80 chassis from the pro kit is a nice one. I'd upgrade to the carbon fiber upper deck as well or best bet is to find a used pro kit. Aces Nitro RC up here near bridgeport stocks a lot of the PRP parts and he even has a few built used kits for good prices

3) Any other .21 onroad motor will fit in the car.

4) If I didn't have the MRX4 I would've gotten the PRP XR80 kit and some of the upgrades Aces have here. You do live kinda far down, but if you do stop by up here you can purchase parts, and test out the vehicle at BPTs track. Here are some pics. If Brooklyn Hobbies has you covered on parts I'd get it from here since Richie is a pretty reasonable guy.

BPTs track

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/VTECHSaboteur/bpt5.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/VTECHSaboteur/bpt1.jpg

This is Floyds new spot in brooklyn, ny

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[brc358]

That is a great looking track!

[Saboteur]

Yeah thats my home spot and will be the current spot...Floyd Bennet Field in Brooklyn, NY. They basically turned an old vacant car lot into that beauty. Traction is great, we have a large 208' x 104' sized track, pit lane, and a nice drivers stand which has lots of room. We mainly run nitro sedan and 8ths, but they may be starting elec onroad as well. It may be TC or 12th pan, but all depends which class has more racers. The only downside to this and the old position is that you have to walk to this location...about a good minute or so depending on how fast you walk. If you have a load of gear I suggest you setup camp near a friend n have him watch your gear. Otherwise a nice trollie will do great. I need to get my setup gauges for my sedan, parts for both sedan and 8th, and a nice quik canopy then I'll be set. :cool:

[brc358]

I JUST sold a complete set-up station for 10th scale, and about 5 minutes ago posted an add for an 1/8 scale set-up station.
I bought both of the Hudy setup stations. One 10 and one 1/8 scale.
Would love to try that track.

[SerpentCT4S]

BRC358...quick question. Why do you have a fuel filter to your pipe?

[brc358]

Serpent.
That is a pressure chamber.
It stabalizes the pressure from the pipe.
The fuel filter is between the tank and carb. It is tucked in right behind the fuel tank.

[SerpentCT4S]

Is this filter good for it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=6061544115&rd=1&rd=1

[SerpentCT4S]

Serpent.
That is a pressure chamber.
It stabalizes the pressure from the pipe.
The fuel filter is between the tank and carb. It is tucked in right behind the fuel tank.
I dont understand...

[brc358]

The pressure chamber maintains a constant pressure to the fuel tank.
The pressure from the pipe in a sense "pulsates" and does not give a steady flow of pressure to the tank, which in reality, can not give a constant flow of pressure to the carb.
It seems to be about a 50/50 consensus whether or not the pressure chambers are effective.
In fact, I dont even use one on my Evolva.
I know of quite a few pro drivers that dont use either a pressure chamber, or even a fuel filter.
One driver will say both are needed, and another driver will say neither one is needed.
So its pretty much a matter of choice.

[SerpentCT4S]

O ok. So its not a fuel filter then? Do you recommend me getting one? Where can I get one if I decide to?

[brc358]

Most of the shops that carry any type of car for racing should carry one.
Team Kamikaze in Orange. Ca.
Brooklyn Hobbies
Nitro House.
If you are just getting into the 1/8, I would not worry about it.
Like I was saying, it is a personal preference whether or not you use one.
Some people use them, and other do not.
I have one car with one on it, and the other car I dont.
They run anywhere from $14.00 to about $19.00

[SerpentCT4S]

Ok, I'll pass on it for now. I'm looking for a new air filter and pipe. I'm thinking about a Motor Savers filter and maybe a THS pipe. Does these sound good?

[brc358]

The motor saver filters are veryt good filters.
If you look at my car, you will see what is callec an "air box"
These will be mandatory next year in So Ca.
They quite down the noise from the engines quite a lot.
They do not hamper the performance, but are basically noise restrictors.
If you are looking for as very good pipe, go to Nitrohouse.com
You would need to change you header to be able to use a performance pipe, but it would be worth it.
I use the 7 ring conical header, and the 9886 pipe.
The headers are about $75.00 to $80.00, and the pipes can go anywhere from $75.00 and up. The sky is the limit on what you can spend on these 1/8 cars.
I have well over $4,500 invested in my Evolva, with the car,spare engines, and back-up parts. I probably have close to $3,500 into my XR-8, because I bought all of the inventory for these cars from Ace Hardware.
If you get a good supply of back-up parts,<arms,knuckles,hubs,misc.> you could have close to $1,500 to $1,800 easily. This does not even count the tires that you would need. I have about 35 complete sets for each car.
So it just depends on how serious you plan on going.
All I can say is, once you start, you should buy nothing but the best parts and tires you can get. I have these two cars, plus all of my 10th scale car also that I race everyweekend.
brc

[SerpentCT4S]

I am looking for a Lola style body. Is there one specifically for the XR80?

Will this one work:http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLPX6&P=7

[SerpentCT4S]

Also, what other option parts do you recommend for now? Not getting too serious yet.

[brc358]

That body will work.
There are Protoform bodies,Mugen bodies,Kyosho dome bodies,Serpent bodies.
Each body handles a little different.
If you need more steeing, try the Kyosho dome body. That is the one that I have in my photo.
I use about 8 to 10 different bodies. How you mount the bodies makes a huge difference also. Plus the gurney flap wing really effects the handling.
I have some of the exact bodies, but mount them a little more forward to change the amount of steering..
The first thing I would do with your car is upgrade the servos. Get a higher speed servo for the throttle, and one with more torque for the steering.
Then look into a good header, and pipe.
Use the set-up sheet that I sent you for the shock oil,springs,toe-in,toe-out, camber,and caster.
You really dont need the carbon fiber items until you get the car to be more responsive, and handle better. Then move on to the carbon fiber parts.
After you get to that point, you will basically have the XR-8, and then look into a good engine. The fastest engine in the world will do you no good, if the car will not handle right.

[SerpentCT4S]

Sounds good. What servos will work with the stock radio gear?

[brc358]

Servos can go as little as $55.00 and as high as $150.00 each.
Airtronics,Futaba,JR,or Hi-Tech servos are good.But all three companies make inexspensive servos, which is what you dont want.
I persoanlly use nothing but Airtronics, but that is just my preferance.
I use a 737 Airtronics for throttle, and a 358 Airtronics for steering.
Dont let any one try and tell you that servos dont make a difference.
You dont want your car to be dialed in, running great, and then all of a sudden the servo craps out and you slam into the wall, because you tried to save a couple of bucks on servos.
Do your self a favor, and even if you have to wait to get them, buy the best servos you can afford.
They last much longer,more responsive, and chances are, they wont let you down.

[SerpentCT4S]

Ok, but which brand will work with the stock radio gear?

[brc358]

Without knowing which receiver you have, it is hard to say.
But most of the servos now use the same plug.
A few years back, different manufactures would use a different type of plug, and you were limited on the brands you could use for that receiver.
But most have changed over to a standard plug now on their servos.
If you are using the radio from the XR-80, it is probably a 27mhz radio. When you get the car to where you want it with upgrades, then you should change radios and go with a 75mhz radio and receiver.
There are many more features on the 75mhz FM radio, than what is commonly used on a 27 mhz am radio.
I use the Airtronics M11 and love it. Matter of fact, I have two of them. One is used as a back up radio in case I need it during a big race.
Just take your car down to the shop where you buy your parts, and they can show you which servo will work for that receiver.

brc

[SerpentCT4S]

Thanks, I did mention that I have the stock radio gear. I will ask my LHS and see what they say. Thanks for all your help!

[brc358]

Serpent.
No problem.
Happy to help.
Let us know when you get it dialed in, and start ripping up the track.
Once you get it to where you are comfortable with it, you will really be able to enjoy it at its fullest.
You will wind up like me. I get at least 3 or 4 deliveries everyweek from either UPS, Fed Ex, or some shop, where I found something I just could not live without.

its not a hobby
its an additction

[SerpentCT4S]

Yea, I used to have a Serpent Impact and when I took it to the track, it was a whole new experience. I can't wait to get this one out on a track! I will def keep you updated with info and pictures.

[SerpentCT4S]

Quick question....is the Power Racing pipe any good? I bought the pipe that comes with the kit and wanted people's opinions on it. Let me know!!

[brc358]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/brc358/Picture438.jpg

Serpent.
here is a pic of the tires for you

[Saboteur]

The stock pipe is decent, but aftermarket ones are far better than the stock equipment of an RTR.

[strodedawg]

hello,
is there a rear gear diff for the xr8? a ball diff? if so who makes it - powerracing or other. is it possible the serpent rear gear/ball diff fits?
thanks

[waipahe]

Hey Guys,
I am a newbie to the whole onroad scene and have a XR-80. I was wondering if I could get some help on finding parts for this ride or maybe other parts that are compatible for it? (Mugen, Kyosho?) I pm'ed brc358, but I think he must be busy cause he hasn't gotten back to me yet. Can anybody else help the "noobie" out?:huh::D Most appreciated! Curt.

[brc358]

Hey Guys,
I am a newbie to the whole onroad scene and have a XR-80. I was wondering if I could get some help on finding parts for this ride or maybe other parts that are compatible for it? (Mugen, Kyosho?) I pm'ed brc358, but I think he must be busy cause he hasn't gotten back to me yet. Can anybody else help the "noobie" out?:huh::D Most appreciated! Curt.

I dont think you mentioned what parts you need.
I have a huge stock of XR-80 and XR-8 parts, but need to know what you are looking for.
Been extremely busy running two busineses, and shipping parts, but can help you if I know what you are looking for

[waipahe]

LOL! I was waiting for your pm cause I think I caught you at work yesterday. Sorry.:o PM comin'! Thanks.:wave:

[waipahe]

brc358, I wanna use a starter box instead of that oneway shaft that they have. What engine mounts would I use to lower the engine? Would any .21 work with the XR-80? Thanks!

[brc358]

brc358, I wanna use a starter box instead of that oneway shaft that they have. What engine mounts would I use to lower the engine? Would any .21 work with the XR-80? Thanks!

PRP makes both types of motor mounts. The standard, or the one piece mount.
The one piece mount if the way to go. The are much sturdier, and prevent some of the vibration from the engine.

Most 21 engines will work in the XR8.
If you want a screaming engine, for a great price, try the new Pico 9.
I have three of them. I use the modified engines, but even the stock ones are amazing.

I remember you were asking about parts for the XR8.
Just to let you know, I sold my complete inventory of parts for the XR8, and the XR80.
You can purchase parts from PRP in San Jose Ca.
Just ask for Nora. She is great, and can help you out with what you need.
good luck with your car

[waipahe]

PRP makes both types of motor mounts. The standard, or the one piece mount.
The one piece mount if the way to go. The are much sturdier, and prevent some of the vibration from the engine.

Most 21 engines will work in the XR8.
If you want a screaming engine, for a great price, try the new Pico 9.
I have three of them. I use the modified engines, but even the stock ones are amazing.

I remember you were asking about parts for the XR8.
Just to let you know, I sold my complete inventory of parts for the XR8, and the XR80.
You can purchase parts from PRP in San Jose Ca.
Just ask for Nora. She is great, and can help you out with what you need.
good luck with your car

Thanks for the reponse back! Would you happen to have a link or # to PRP in San Jose? I need ALL the carbon parts I can find for it! LOL! And whatever else that I need to get this this thing to competitive status. Thanks again! >>>>>Curt.

[brc358]

Happy time hobbies # is 408 9882800 <PRP>

[waipahe]

Happy time hobbies # is 408 9882800 <PRP>

Thanks Bill. I appreciate your help on this! Being that the XR-80 is obsolete now, info is VERY hard to come by.:mad: Parts as well. I'm determined to get this thing competitive one way or the other!LOL! Hey if you can fill me in on what other parts that are compatible with the XR-80/8 from other manufactures, that would be appreciated as well!:D Thanks again Bill! Aloha!

[brc358]

The new Pursuit 1/8 is VERY close to the XR-8
There are many parts that interchange with these two cars.
Go to RC Tech forums and look under either the on-road forum, or the racing forum and you will find posts for the new Pursuit.
Either Happy Time Hobbies<you have this number> or Larrys Hobbies can hook you up on any parts you may need.

To make your XR80 into the XR8 change,
Chassis
Radio plate,
shock towers,
Engine mounts
Engine,pipe,header
Clutch and clutch bell <use Mugen>
Dump stock body and use the Kyosho Dome, or the Serpent Central<mount 12mm from the body to the front bumper>
Change out stock tires. Go with Serpent 35 shore, or 37 shore
I believe I already sent you the chassis set up specs.
On the rear shock tower, drill two new shock mounting holes approx. 3/16th lower from the top lowest hole to relocate the top mounting hole for the shock. This will lean your rear shocks in toward the center of the chassis.
Be sure and order the chassis stiffner from Pursuit. This secures the rear diff. assembly to the chassis plate. It tucks in behind the spur gears, goes over the flywheel, and then attatches to the chassis plate. It stops the movement of the spur gears when brakes are applied. Other wise, you will strip spur gears. I made mine out of carbon fiber in about 5 min. but they can be purchased from Pursuit now.
Good luck, and post some pics when you are completed with your car.

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Thanks for the breakdown Bill.:) I'll definately have some pics when she's done! Thanks for ALL your help and expertise. It's most appreciated. Aloha, Curt.