Vantage Racing Woven Carbon Fiber Suspension Arms and Roll Cage for the HPI Savage [Archive]

StevePond

04-13-2005, 10:12 AM

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/vantage/Vantage_savage_arm.jpg

We're beginning to think the guys at Vantage Racing eat woven carbon fiber for lunch. First the introduced woven carbon fiber exhaust systems, then a complex Revo chassis, and now they're getting into the suspension and roll cage business. Forget molded graphite arms - Vantage in making woven carbon fiber suspension arms and a roll cage for the HPI Savage truck. The new arms are sure to be lighter than any aftermarket aluminum arm. The roll cage is also made for the Savage featuring the same woven carbon fiber. Before you think that this isn't going to be as strong as aluminum, check out the picture of the guy standing on the truck. This is preliminary information provided to us by Vantage Racing, but like the Revo chassis, these components are expected to be available during the RCX Show (http://www.rcx.com) in late May.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/vantage/Vantage_savage_RC1.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/vantage/Vantage_savage_RC2.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/vantage/Vantage_savage_RC3.jpg

For more information about this and other Vantage Racing products, visit the Vantage Racing (http://www.vantageracing.com) website.

hctechno

04-13-2005, 10:13 AM

my respect for vantage just shot up through the roof...

adam lancia

04-13-2005, 11:13 AM

holy-cool-looking-super-strong-carbon-fiber batman!!!!!! that's the coolest carbon fiber i've ever seen! make that for 8th scale buggies!!!! please.....

adam

ducati777

04-13-2005, 11:55 AM

Hmmm now the exhaust and chasis weren't designed to absorb direct hits... A-arms and rollcages however...

Guess time will tell. They sure look sweet, no doubt there. Pretty soon these guys will be releasing entire carbon fibre trucks.... mmmm.....

OutFrontFrames

04-13-2005, 01:48 PM

I hope they make some other parts for other vehicles soon.. or offer their services to other companies..

hctechno

04-13-2005, 02:32 PM

. Pretty soon these guys will be releasing entire carbon fibre trucks.... mmmm.....

2lb t-maxx?

belila

04-13-2005, 02:59 PM

An all out carbon buggy...mmmmmm :) :)

Fluke

04-13-2005, 03:04 PM

won't there be durability issues?

hernan43

04-13-2005, 03:08 PM

Drool! :-)~

If they start making carbon fiber hobby fuel, I think I will pass out.
--Ray

rckid11

04-13-2005, 06:13 PM

Wow! I never thought carbon fiber could be used like that. Man they are really pushing the limits of it.

Sorcerer001

04-13-2005, 06:43 PM

Wow! I never thought carbon fiber could be used like that. Man they are really pushing the limits of it.

Yeah, it'll be crazy of they ever decide to use it in aircraft or maybe even spacecraft. OMG!

losiguy1090

04-13-2005, 06:48 PM

won't there be durability issues?

They will probably be a little more brittle, yes. But if you race, these arms could be nice. I've never come close to breaking an arm on my Savage, so I may look into these :cool:

BCat125

04-13-2005, 07:11 PM

Wow whats next in carbon fiber, an engine.

Thats pretty cool but im more of a basher myself so i doubt they would hold up to the punishment i would put it through.

But who knows

Brahmzy

04-13-2005, 07:34 PM

No more carbon fiber for me. I've done the carbon fiber TVP thing and snapped 'em good. CF does not belong on bashers. Racers, maybe. Not for me. Pretty parts don't mean strong parts. Good ol' cheap HPI plastic for me. After spending hundreds on pretty parts and wtching them get destroyed, I'm through with 'em. Gimme strong and cheap parts.

soreloser

04-13-2005, 08:07 PM

BCat125

04-13-2005, 08:09 PM

I dont know if the pictures real or not but carbon fiber is very strong and could easily hold the weight.

1822

04-13-2005, 08:22 PM

zakerid

04-13-2005, 08:35 PM

Sorry to sound negative, but the photo with the guy standing on the roll-cage just looks FAKE. If the camera created enough flash to create the shadow to the left of the guy, then why is there shadows under his arms and under his chin??????????
there were lights in the ceiling...hmmm that would be crazy.

TRF Drive Hard

04-13-2005, 08:42 PM

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN... why now??? of all the time it had to be now... you know im working on my savage for RCX Steve, and youre gonna slap this in my face!?!?! dirty dirty dirty, shame on you Steve!!! now ima go cry myself to sleep...

BCat125

04-13-2005, 08:46 PM

lol a bit late. Oh well they probably arent even released yet.

Raul Garcia

04-13-2005, 09:28 PM

Well at least I have the pipe for RCX! The arms sure would be trick though.. hmmm. 1-203-4@#-%^%$..... ring,ring. Hello? CLICK! :eek:

AudiTT-Quattro

04-13-2005, 09:55 PM

Sorry to sound negative, but the photo with the guy standing on the roll-cage just looks FAKE. If the camera created enough flash to create the shadow to the left of the guy, then why is there shadows under his arms and under his chin??????????
Clearly no flash was used. The lighting was coming from the ceiling. It's obvious.

Think before you go and accuse a reputable company of forgery. :rolleyes:

rckid11

04-13-2005, 10:38 PM

Yeah, it'll be crazy of they ever decide to use it in aircraft or maybe even spacecraft. OMG!

Ok......This is RC not aircraft and spacecraft. Making a CF rollcage when you could just use aluminum seems kind of pointless to me. Most racers will not use a rollcage, which means that it would be aimed towards bashers. I don't think bashers would care about the extra weight that the aluminum one would give. I guess you could buy it, but it is probably more cost efficient to just buy a aluminum one. About the suspension arms I do not know. How much weight would it save? I guess that might appeal to racers if it saves some weight. But hey carbon fiber looks awesome, and thats going to be a major selling point.

1 Bad STi

04-13-2005, 10:43 PM

Nothing beats stock a-arms. (they give and are flexible)

Cage better have a warrenty cause I know people will snap that.

MikeWz

04-13-2005, 11:05 PM

The arms will be great for people who want to race. Ultra-rigid, and probably pretty strong, depending on the epoxy matrix they used.

As for the roll cage, I think it's a sweet idea. The one reason I never used one for bashing was because of the extra weight of all that aluminum. Yeah, it's not as big a deal as if you're racing, but it definitely affects the balance of the car. Higher COG = bad for turns (I'm too lazy to go running after the truck to flip it back over). It also means not as high on Jumps, less acceleration and less top-speed. I think even bashers want that stuff.

hernan43

04-14-2005, 06:43 AM

Vantage has been doing some pretty interesting stuff with their carbon fiber pipes. I wouldn't be surprised if their roll cage didn't have some interesting specs attached to it. Just think, without carbon "fiber," Thomas Edison might never have gotten the electric lightbulb to work as soon as he did. Not to say that the new Savage cage will light up or anything. Hrm, I forgot where I was going with that one... ;)
--Ray

rckid11

04-14-2005, 07:09 AM

Do many people race savages?

Windsorguy99

04-14-2005, 08:18 AM

A lot of people race Savages....

soreloser

04-14-2005, 10:22 AM

I never said the company was making a forgery, just the photo does not look real. The parts look sweet, and I know that carbon Fiber is very very strong and can hold up thousands of pounds, look at F1 cars. Just the bad image shadow that comes off the left side of the person make it look fake, that is all.

1822: sorry if you feel dumber, if reading something made you that way, guess my advise would to never ready anything anymore. :D

DaFF

04-14-2005, 01:08 PM

Wow,

Very nice CF arms for the Sav !

As someone said, being a racer, I can be careless about the roll cage.

Talking about CF, of course we use a lot of CF to built planes.

Actually, I am working on the first and only plane to date that has the jonction between fuselage and wing - we call it the wing box - fully made in carbon fiber. The Airbus A380 I am working on is the plane that has the most CF of all plane, up to 40% of the whole aircraft is CF.

To MikeWz, the strenght of the CF does not only depend on the resin they use, but also on the type fiber. Furthermore, the more layer, the better.

Also keep in mind the CF, unlike steel is a non-homogeneous material, meaning that it does not react to a given load the same in any direction.

When we do calculation on steel, it doesn't matter how and where is load is applied, we use the same mechanical properties.

It's way more complicated with CF, because the fiber they use for CF hold forces only in the direction of each fiber. Kinda like a wire, it can hold a lot of traction if you pull on it following it's axis, but very little compression load, not to say bending on a wire is almost non-existant.

The same principle apply on CF because the fiber is like a clothe made of a lot of tiny fiber.

Hope it does help to understand a bit better the behaviour of CF.

DFF

B!!!

04-14-2005, 02:03 PM

Just the bad image shadow that comes off the left side of the person make it look fake, that is all.

That shadow to the left is caused by the camera's flash. I'm guessing it was an SLR type camera with a flash accesory rather than the camera's built in flash. It's a real photo.

On topic: I'm totally impressed with the look of those arms and roll cage! I'm not sure how necessary either of them are since the Savage is a pretty tough truck, but I'm sure they will make a lot of people happy. As long as the hit on the wallet isn't too severe.

doesgo

04-14-2005, 03:41 PM

I agree about the necessity of the arms being non-existant since stock Savage arms are amazingly tough, but there are many among us who really like to go for the bling factor!

A strong, lightweight rollcage would be nice, though.

lunytune

04-14-2005, 05:10 PM

Wow whats next in carbon fiber, an engine.

they have made engines ot of ceramic so why not carbon fiber :)

lunytune

04-14-2005, 05:13 PM

lol a bit late. Oh well they probably arent even released yet.

release date is May 20th

BCat125

04-14-2005, 06:55 PM

It would be kind of cutting it close even still.

atm92484_3

04-15-2005, 01:35 AM

I'm more curious about what methods they used to mold those parts; they look sweet and the finish is amazing.

DaFF

04-15-2005, 09:31 AM

Vacum forming for sure.

They do a mold for each piece, then they apply one coat of resin, they layout the fiber, then another coat of resin ../..

In order to avoid air bubble and to get a perfect finish, there is a vacuum pump that push the CF on to the mold. After that, it is cured.

It's an expensive process, but the only one worth it when it comes to pieces that are not flat.

I think it is a matter of time until we see a molded CF chassis for our car.

I've already seen 1/5 car with chassis like that. Super strong, super light.

Even only two folded edges on a chassis increase tremendously the flex and torsion on any chassis.

The best shape for a chassis would a box. Like one could link the 2 Savage TVPs ( like adding upper and lower plate ) and make a chassis that would be crashproof.

DFF

doesgo

04-15-2005, 09:38 AM

Great info, DFF (as in, Da Flying Frenchman?). How do they get the finish all smooth on BOTH sides? I can see it being smooth on the mold side, but the other side too? And how do they do the CF tuned pipes?

atm92484_3

04-15-2005, 01:01 PM

Just a hunch, but I'm guessing they use a two piece mold, place the plies over the aluminum piece that forms the end of the pipe where it attaches to the header, then sort of 'inflate' the material so it presses against the mold. Then once the resin hardens, the pipe can be removed.

re-inferno

04-17-2005, 12:05 PM

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/vantage/Vantage_savage_RC3.jpg

- a shadow of the guy's shoe on the left at the floor strip hiding a bar from the rollcage in front actually making it invisible(!) won't add too much credability, will it?
(if you don't know what I mean, just look at the described area at 200% zoom)
there are other artifacts too, but this is the most obvious one.

http://www.offroad-cult.org/Forum/images/20050417/P4.JPG

I don't want to go further into that other than say I'm dissappointed that such a high quality product (wheter robust or not) needs that kind of "advertising" ...

ragamuffin

04-17-2005, 12:37 PM

Jesus. Stop nick-picking. It could be nothing more than a spot on the baseboard...

racinlosi

04-17-2005, 08:17 PM

Ok...will people stop nit-picking please. Change is good..and more choices to choose from is awesome also. If you don't like it, don't waste your time looking at it and don't buy it! Seriously, these will be good products. Carbon fiber is a great matterial to work with, and just accept that fact. And it looks like vantage is here to stay for the good. Sorry if this sounds rude, but dear god please give them some credit for thinking outside the box!

NitroBoy24

04-17-2005, 10:39 PM

Obviously none of you morons saying the photo is a fraud have realized how strong CF really is. He's also standing on the part of the cage that has the most support.

Those parts are badass too :cool: I've been waiting for some true CF arms to come out.

Vantage Racing

04-17-2005, 10:45 PM

JD:\我的圖片\Vantage\Savage arm\zoom.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/vantage/Vantage_savage_RC3.jpg

- a shadow of the guy's shoe on the left at the floor strip hiding a bar from the rollcage in front actually making it invisible(!) won't add too much credability, will it?
(if you don't know what I mean, just look at the described area at 200% zoom)
there are other artifacts too, but this is the most obvious one.

http://www.offroad-cult.org/Forum/images/20050417/P4.JPG

I don't want to go further into that other than say I'm dissappointed that such a high quality product (wheter robust or not) needs that kind of "advertising" ...

Vantage Racing

04-17-2005, 10:50 PM

Just to clear up a few things.

http://www.vantageracing.com/site/data/zoom.jpg

re-inferno

04-18-2005, 05:09 AM

You did not get it right again, 'cause now, there's the shadow actually missing on the upper tubing - though visible on the half below, the front tubing and the wall behind - lol.

http://www.offroad-cult.org/Forum/images/20050417/P5.JPG

And to those, who like to call others "morons" while don't being capable of understanding written text themselves:

Obviously none of you morons saying the photo is a fraud have realized how strong CF really is.

- under no circumstances, I denied the quality and the outstanding production process to get such A-Arms and roll cage tubes

... that such a high quality product (wheter robust or not) needs that kind of "advertising" ...

Where "robust" refers to wheter it's robust in rc-car use or not (a point, that came up before - not by myself)

Never did I deny the fact that a guy can actually stand on it (quotes please? - remember I only stated that I strongly believe the shown photograph got some "engineering") but seeing Nitroboy24 has obviously good(?) knowledge of carbon fibre mechanics, he will surely understand that CF doesn't like stress application bound to small areas but offers immense strength when the load is spread across and that's where we come closer to the "robust" thing.

For the sake of this thread, I'll let it off now, believe in what you want to believe.

beef_flavored

04-18-2005, 07:56 AM

what you dont see are the strings between the guys head and the ceiling. :rolleyes:

hernan43

04-18-2005, 07:57 AM

I was looking at the zoomed photo, and I saw something disturbing. You might not notice it at first glance, but if you look hard enough, there is something in the picture that is very revealing. I added some arrows, so I could better point out exactly what it was that I saw.

http://www.geekindenial.com/files/roll-cage.jpg

If what I think is correct, than I think that Vantage should be ashamed of themselves. Conjuring up ghosts is no way to try and sell a product...
--Ray

B!!!

04-18-2005, 08:03 AM

LOL! I think the hat is a fake though. :)

jimbow

04-18-2005, 09:01 AM

I don't think so..., the hat looks pretty real to me. The left eyebrow, however... ;)

Vantage Racing

04-18-2005, 12:41 PM

Hernan43, you got it all wrong, there's suppose to be a marshmallow man in there. Look more closely, you will find it. LOL See you guys at the RCX show!

I was looking at the zoomed photo, and I saw something disturbing. You might not notice it at first glance, but if you look hard enough, there is something in the picture that is very revealing. I added some arrows, so I could better point out exactly what it was that I saw.

http://www.geekindenial.com/files/roll-cage.jpg

If what I think is correct, than I think that Vantage should be ashamed of themselves. Conjuring up ghosts is no way to try and sell a product...
--Ray

doesgo

04-18-2005, 01:12 PM

Do you plan to have all these carbon fiber goodies on hand at RCX? Can't wait to see them in person!

racinlosi

04-19-2005, 12:32 AM

Here we go again, we doubted the pipes.......they proved you wrong. You doubt this.....I am waiting for the proving yet again. I will get the tisues ready for you guys when your proven wrong.

Edit-Also...why is standing on it important? I don't think that someone will go "maybe I should stand on my rc car today," do they? If so, I must be WAY behind the times. I wouldn't want to stand and break the shocks of these things just because I can.

Vantage Racing

04-28-2005, 11:07 PM

More models of suspension arms will be showing at the RCX show. Come and see us at booth #429!

B!!!

04-28-2005, 11:12 PM

I can't wait to see them! I don't suppose you'd want to drop a hint as to what these other models will be?

thedarkness

04-28-2005, 11:21 PM

Ive gotten word there will be a revo cage, so possibly revo arms.(dont know how good my sorces are).

B!!!

04-28-2005, 11:29 PM

I was guessing Revo arms too, but I didn't want to start any rumors accidently, especially with THE source posting here. :)

NitroBoy24

04-29-2005, 12:43 AM

And to those, who like to call others "morons" while don't being capable of understanding written text themselves:

- under no circumstances, I denied the quality and the outstanding production process to get such A-Arms and roll cage tubes

Where "robust" refers to wheter it's robust in rc-car use or not (a point, that came up before - not by myself)

Never did I deny the fact that a guy can actually stand on it (quotes please? - remember I only stated that I strongly believe the shown photograph got some "engineering") but seeing Nitroboy24 has obviously good(?) knowledge of carbon fibre mechanics, he will surely understand that CF doesn't like stress application bound to small areas but offers immense strength when the load is spread across and that's where we come closer to the "robust" thing.

For the sake of this thread, I'll let it off now, believe in what you want to believe.

Haha, no need to get the panties in a wad, I never singled you out. Apparently I'm not the only one that has trouble understanding written text :confused:

Vantage Racing

05-03-2005, 04:09 PM

Come and check out our woven carbon fiber arms for Revo, LST, T-Maxx at the RCX show. Further info will be posted on our web, check back with us often.

rckid11

05-03-2005, 05:30 PM

Hey Vantage! Any chance of getting smaller carbon arms, like 1/18th scale? Or is it way to hard to make them that small. Just wondering.....Thanks.

Vantage Racing

05-04-2005, 12:30 AM

Making them is not really a problem but the pricing of the arms and it's actual funtion for a 1/18 car might not be realistic. Depending on how much the public is willing to spend for arms like these.

rckid11

05-04-2005, 07:17 AM

Ok. Just wondering, because I don't really like the aluminum arms, and my whole mini-t is carbon fiber, execpt for the arms.

hernan43

04-07-2006, 09:43 AM

Whatever happened to the Vantage Racing Savage roll cage? I don't remember seeing it come out. If I go to the vantage racing website, I don't see it mentioned anywhere?

Platymeris

04-07-2006, 12:32 PM

Wow! I never thought carbon fiber could be used like that. Man they are really pushing the limits of it.
WHOAAAAAA!!!!!! Pushing the limits is right, who knows, maybe one day carbon fiber will be used in the suspensions of real cars, maybe even F1 cars!!